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Speaker 1: a lot to get into here today. It's Tuesday, and
Speaker 1: so we got NXT tonight and NXT is actually a
Speaker 1: go home show sort of the NXT tonight is they
Speaker 1: got a six man tag involving Trick Williams, Joe Hendry,
Speaker 1: and Mike Santana, all of whom are facing off for
Speaker 1: the TNA title coming up on Sunday at Slammiversary. And
Speaker 1: as always, whenever there's anything T and A related to
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Speaker 1: Landstorm as the co host here today, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about that on the program. We got raw from
Speaker 1: last night, which included a gauntlet match to determine the
Speaker 1: challenger for Gunther at SummerSlam. We'll tell you about that.
Speaker 1: We got Impact in Slam a versary lineups for the
Speaker 1: next couple of days. A match has been announced for
Speaker 1: tomorrow's Dynamite, which is interesting and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: We've also got notes on the Goldberg retirement rating, which
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Speaker 1: Are the show Bryan Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live. Oh,
Speaker 1: Lance Storm is joining us here today. All Lance Storm,
Speaker 1: which is my favorite nickname for you, Lance. What's going on?
Speaker 6: Not too much? Finally, stop raining here in Calgary.
Speaker 1: So it's been raining, oh all.
Speaker 6: Day yesterday, like for like twenty four hours straight, very wet.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, Lance, we haven't talked to you since since this weekend.
Speaker 1: What if anything did you watch on this wild weekend?
Speaker 6: What did I watch? I watched the Goldberg retirement match.
Speaker 6: I was curious to see it and see how we did.
Speaker 6: I've always liked Bill and got along with him, so
Speaker 6: I watched that. Thought it was quite good considering his age.
Speaker 6: I thought Gunther and he did a great job. I
Speaker 6: would have liked to have heard his entire speech at
Speaker 6: the end. I'll probably track it down at some point.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I saw a few clips of a few matches.
Speaker 6: I saw all of Monday Night Raw last night, but
Speaker 6: I didn't actually watch any of the shows other than
Speaker 6: the Gunther match.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to mention the Goldberg retirement match rating
Speaker 1: because it's kind of interesting actually, because everybody was talking
Speaker 1: about all of the shows this weekend. Okay, so you know,
Speaker 1: we had this big kind of debate on Observer Radio
Speaker 1: about like what's the point of all of this, Like
Speaker 1: everyone's trying, Oh, we're gonna do this show to counter
Speaker 1: this show, and it's not nineteen eighty eight, and I
Speaker 1: can watch this on this device and I can record
Speaker 1: this to watch it later, like, is anything really affecting
Speaker 1: anything else? You know what I'm saying. And you know,
Speaker 1: AW ran their show, which ended up being an eight
Speaker 1: hour show. There was actually seven hours of wrestling on
Speaker 1: the show. The first hour of the pre show was
Speaker 1: only talking, so if we're talking about just wrestling matches,
Speaker 1: they ran seven hours of wrestling matches and it actually
Speaker 1: cut into the beginning of Saturday Night's main event, which originally,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't really want to go head to
Speaker 1: head with Saturday Night's main event, so they moved it,
Speaker 1: but then they went head to head with Saturday Night's
Speaker 1: main event for the main event anyway, so everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about will it affect Saturday Night's main event? Will it
Speaker 1: not affect Saturday Night's main event? You know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So the Saturday Night's Main event number did one point
Speaker 1: four million viewers, and it was down twenty seven percent
Speaker 1: from the last Saturday Night It's main event. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: the moment you hear that, obviously your first thought is, wow,
Speaker 1: maybe all In actually did effect Saturday Night's main event.
Speaker 1: The show is down twenty seven percent from the show
Speaker 1: in May, and it did have the retirement match of
Speaker 1: Bill Goldberg. Now we don't have the quarter hour ratings,
Speaker 1: so we can't really determine, you know, because all In
Speaker 1: didn't go headhead with the entire show. It just went
Speaker 1: head to head with the first I can't remember half
Speaker 1: hour or something like that. So but here's here's the
Speaker 1: notable thing about this. Okay, yes, this show was down
Speaker 1: twenty seven percent from the last show. The last show
Speaker 1: in May did two million viewers and a point five
Speaker 1: to four. Okay, this show did one point four million
Speaker 1: and a point three to three. So that's a substantial drop,
Speaker 1: and if you want to, you probably could argue that
Speaker 1: all In heard it. However, However, the first Saturday Night's
Speaker 1: main event in December of twenty twenty four did one
Speaker 1: point six million and a point four the second one
Speaker 1: in January did one point four million, one point four
Speaker 1: to nine million and a point three to three, and
Speaker 1: the one on this past Saturday to one point four
Speaker 1: million and a point three to three. So what actually happened.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that all In did not affect Saturday
Speaker 1: Night's main event. Maybe it did, But what actually happened
Speaker 1: if you look at the last four episodes is for
Speaker 1: some reason. The May episode just did surprisingly well. The
Speaker 1: July twelfth show this past Saturday actually did virtually exactly
Speaker 1: the same as the show in January, and only a
Speaker 1: little bit below the show in December. So while it
Speaker 1: is down some stantially from the last show, really the
Speaker 1: last show was kind of the aberration. The last show
Speaker 1: did an extra half million viewers above all of the
Speaker 1: other shows. So I don't really know what the answer is.
Speaker 1: We don't have quarters to really make the determination, but
Speaker 1: you know, you can say that going head to head
Speaker 1: with you know, parts of all Out, the show was
Speaker 1: down twenty seven percent from last time. But you could
Speaker 1: also look at all of the ratings for Saturday night's
Speaker 1: main event and say it's actually, it's actually more likely
Speaker 1: that what happened was May was just substantially up for
Speaker 1: reasons I cannot explain, but anyway, that's the number.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 6: Also, too, traditionally aren't television ratings on the weekend traditionally
Speaker 6: lower during the summer, Like, do we have a summer
Speaker 6: number to compare?
Speaker 1: No, because they just started back up again in December.
Speaker 1: So when you only have two winter numbers, a spring
Speaker 1: number and a summer number.
Speaker 6: My kids are out of school, whether it's good people vacation,
Speaker 6: chance that people just turnt home on a Saturday as well.
Speaker 1: Well, the SmackDown on Friday did well. It was up
Speaker 1: twenty percent from the previous week. This was the show
Speaker 1: that actually went head tohead with the Ring of Honor show.
Speaker 1: Although I don't think anyone, I don't think anyone thinks
Speaker 1: that the Ring of Honor pay per view is going
Speaker 1: to affect SmackDown. But this show did one point four
Speaker 1: million viewers in a point three to seven and we
Speaker 1: didn't even talk about this on any of the shows
Speaker 1: this weekend. But on SmackDown Friday, the Wyatts won the
Speaker 1: tag team titles. So I talked about this before the match,
Speaker 1: actually because I didn't think the Wyatts were gonna win
Speaker 1: the titles, because you know, the Wyatts had been off
Speaker 1: TV for a long time, and their first match back,
Speaker 1: my god, they had an atrocious match with the Motor
Speaker 1: City machine Guns, which filthy Tom. It is current state
Speaker 1: and me and my current state, we would have had
Speaker 1: a better match with the MotorCity machine Guns. This thing
Speaker 1: was just off the rails. It's almost impossible to have
Speaker 1: a bad match with the MotorCity machine Guns. But like
Speaker 1: the Wyatts, particularly Dexter Loomis. I mean, this poor guy
Speaker 1: had probably the worst night of his career. And I
Speaker 1: was talking about this prior to the tag title match,
Speaker 1: because I said, you know, one difference between you know,
Speaker 1: Triple H and Vinces. If they would have had that
Speaker 1: match and Vince was in charge, I mean, like that's
Speaker 1: probably the end of the Wyatts. I mean, he would
Speaker 1: have pulled the plug on them immediately. But the thing
Speaker 1: with Hunter, you know, whatever you want to say about
Speaker 1: the guy, like he'll have his plan, he'll have his storyline,
Speaker 1: and you know, ninety five percent of the time, he's
Speaker 1: just gonna keep going. And so you could see, like
Speaker 1: when they brought the Wyatts back, the idea was they're
Speaker 1: gonna run through that tag team division. All of the
Speaker 1: other tag teams are gonna be fighting amongst themselves, and
Speaker 1: like the Wyatts are are gonna end up winning the titles.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what it looked like when they started
Speaker 1: the thing. Then they had that horrible match, and so
Speaker 1: like I just thought, I don't know if they're gonna
Speaker 1: put these belts on the Wyatts, dude, but he did.
Speaker 1: So the Wyatts are the tag team champions. I mean,
Speaker 1: God bless them, they're the worst tag team in the division,
Speaker 1: but like that's the story they're telling right now, and
Speaker 1: they much like this show, barreled on through. So the
Speaker 1: Whites are the tag team champions.
Speaker 6: And I believe if you consider Tiffany Stratton to be
Speaker 6: a heel, every WWE championship is currently held by heels.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Tiffany is supposed to be a babyface,
Speaker 1: as astonishing as that is, So there is one right now,
Speaker 1: there is one. There's one babyface champion, and I do
Speaker 1: expect some title changes to be up coming, maybe even
Speaker 1: CM punk at Summer Slam, although we are going to
Speaker 1: talk about that after the break and a little bit
Speaker 1: more on on seth rawlins uh that that's coming up
Speaker 1: after the break as well. We'll do the Raw Report
Speaker 1: and talk all of the rest of the news and
Speaker 1: some TNA notes with Lance and of course if you
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Speaker 1: All Right, a couple of things here. First off, we
Speaker 1: were just talking about the whits winning the tag titles. Lance,
Speaker 1: the whites are babyfaces?
Speaker 6: Are they really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Spooky creepy?
Speaker 1: Yes, the whites are babyfaces. The whites are baby face
Speaker 1: and and this this doesn't actually count because they are heels.
Speaker 1: But uh, the Judgment Day did win the tag titles
Speaker 1: as total babyfaces. They went into the match, they worked
Speaker 1: total babyface, they made a baby face come back and
Speaker 1: they won clean. And it was like, but they're heels,
Speaker 1: but they're a heel group. Yeah, it was ridiculous. Now,
Speaker 1: I will say, as we'll get to later, I'm fine
Speaker 1: with all the champions being heels if one of those
Speaker 1: champions is Naomi. She was she actually, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: was on Raw. She has been so awesome since her
Speaker 1: most recent heel turn when she did that promo on
Speaker 1: Raw and she called all the women in the locker
Speaker 1: room raggedy heifers. I died, I absolutely died, raggedy heifers.
Speaker 1: She was the greatest. I hope she never loses the belt.
Speaker 6: She's really found her confidence and oh, Yeah, it's just
Speaker 6: it was fantastic. I was really impressed last night.
Speaker 1: Okay, we also have to talk. We'll do the full
Speaker 1: raw report, but I know you want to talk about uh,
Speaker 1: Nicky and Chelsea, which I also want to talk about,
Speaker 1: because I had a bunch of people that were messaging
Speaker 1: me saying that match was horrible, and this is before
Speaker 1: I watched it, and so I watched it, and honestly,
Speaker 1: it wasn't horrible until about the last thirty seconds. Last
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, that thing went off the rails. Before then
Speaker 1: it was it was, it was not too bad.
Speaker 6: Did you find Nicky's post about the finish?
Speaker 1: What'd she say about the finish? I saw that. I'm
Speaker 1: about to read the whole interview she did about the experience,
Speaker 1: But what did she say about the finish?
Speaker 6: She said, she instinctively accidentally went for her old finish
Speaker 6: by mistake. She was supposed to go for the TKO
Speaker 6: because the rack attack is what broke her neck, but
Speaker 6: she just instinctively accidentally went for her old finish that
Speaker 6: broke her neck, and when she did, she realized she
Speaker 6: screwed up, and that's when Chelsea countered out and then
Speaker 6: she went for the proper finish.
Speaker 1: What is a rack attack?
Speaker 6: Compared to Ako, she would do the torture rack and
Speaker 6: then drop to her knees and the woman would bump
Speaker 6: on her back. Oh yeah, yeah, broke her neck.
Speaker 1: That ain't good for your neck.
Speaker 6: And so when Chelsea fed in for the new finish,
Speaker 6: she for some reason just muscle memory spun her around
Speaker 6: backwards and then tried to pick her up for the
Speaker 6: rack and then realized, oh crap, this is the one
Speaker 6: that broke my neck. I'm not supposed to do it.
Speaker 6: And they had to counter out of it. So it
Speaker 6: was just a memory lapse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was weird. So she did an interview and
Speaker 1: it was funny. She goes she always puts a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on herself. She was coming back from a
Speaker 1: seven year layoff. She says, where I'm at now is
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't going to go in tonight and
Speaker 1: be perfect. I knew I wasn't going to be an
Speaker 1: Eo Sky. I wasn't going to be a rear Ripley.
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to be a Bailey. I wasn't even
Speaker 1: gonna be a Chelsea Green. I howled. I don't think
Speaker 1: she meant to Bury her, But god, what a line.
Speaker 1: And then she's talked about how you know it's been
Speaker 1: seven years I had a baby, you haven't been in
Speaker 1: the ring, and she was very happy. She was very
Speaker 1: blown up, she said, but I gave it my all. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, Nikki, I'll tell you one thing. No
Speaker 1: matter how blown up you were in that match, you
Speaker 1: were not as blown up as brown Breaker. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that poor guy. He was dying in that match, as
Speaker 1: we shall get too later. But I thought, honestly, like
Speaker 1: nothing against Chelsea, but I thought, honestly, in that match,
Speaker 1: I thought Nicky like did a better job than she did,
Speaker 1: very much like on Saturday, I thought that Trich did
Speaker 1: a better job than Tiffany. So that's just me. But
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about their full circle deal.
Speaker 6: Here, well sort of. I posted on I don't know
Speaker 6: if it was Threads or Blue Sky and actually texted
Speaker 6: Chelsea about it. But Chelsea's WWE television debut, when she
Speaker 6: was like weeks into the business, was as Megan Miller,
Speaker 6: the physical therapist for Daniel Bryan, and had the confrontation
Speaker 6: with Brie. Not Nicky unfortunately, But for the enjoyment of myself,
Speaker 6: last night, I considered it the same person and Bree
Speaker 6: slapped the holy hell out of her in the ring
Speaker 6: for rumors of her having an affair with Daniel Bryan
Speaker 6: and tonight, however, many years later, she got to go
Speaker 6: full sole and have the grudge match with a Bella.
Speaker 1: I feel like she knocked her silly with that slap.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if that's the case or not, but
Speaker 1: I do know that Stephanie McMahon had a reputation too.
Speaker 6: I remember everyone said, steph slap's worthy hardest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know everyone, you know, they watched all these
Speaker 1: matches and you talk about this or that or this
Speaker 1: big move or landing on this head or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how many people in wrestling
Speaker 1: got messed up because they got slapped. I mean, there
Speaker 1: have been a lot of people that have gotten messed
Speaker 1: up because they got slapped by some lady or another.
Speaker 1: And Stephanie was she was a what do they call.
Speaker 6: It a potato?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that too god.
Speaker 6: But yes, there's actually proper ways to slap people, and
Speaker 6: not everybody utilizes that technique.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I like the old slap the neck
Speaker 1: so you actually don't even touch the head that's slapping
Speaker 1: in the face really frickin hard.
Speaker 6: I'm as fine with the face as long as it's
Speaker 6: just with the fingers. It's when you get the heel
Speaker 6: of the hand in the side of the head that
Speaker 6: you're gonna get knocked out.
Speaker 1: So NXT tonight we have got the go home show
Speaker 1: kind of for a Different Promotions pay per view. It
Speaker 1: is Trick Williams, Joe Hendry and Mike Santana versus Dark State,
Speaker 1: and obviously the Slammiversary main event coming up on Sunday
Speaker 1: is Trick, Joe and Mike Santana for the TNA title.
Speaker 1: The TNA title being defended in the main event of
Speaker 1: a TNA pay per view by an NXT wrestler against
Speaker 1: two TNA wrestlers. So we got that six man and
Speaker 1: we got Tony d and Channing Stas Lorenzo and Luca
Speaker 1: Cruzefino in a three way, and then on on Impact Thursday,
Speaker 1: we got Joe henda In Santana versus Trick and Frankie Kazarian.
Speaker 1: So many different uh, a lot of different combinations of
Speaker 1: these three guys leading up to this main event, Champion
Speaker 1: Moose versus Sammy Callahan Tessa Blanchard and Danny Luna and
Speaker 1: order for versus the System. That's the TV the actual
Speaker 1: TNA Go Home show coming up on Thursday. Is that taped?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, let the guy in charge that what's his name,
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Silva? Let him know that I never know if
Speaker 1: the show's taped or not. So is that his name Carlos? Well,
Speaker 1: I know, but like Bigfoot Silva's name is Antonio Carlos Silva.
Speaker 1: So like the other day, you guys don't know what happens,
Speaker 1: which you don't. So I called Dave to do the
Speaker 1: Observer show at usually around midnight, and he's usually not ready,
Speaker 1: and then you know, eventually he'll say, I'm I'm checking
Speaker 1: my emails and so we connect everything and then for
Speaker 1: some reason, it's like another half hour before the show starts. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he finally comes over ready to do the show,
Speaker 1: and I say, what are we gonna talk about here today?
Speaker 1: And so the other day he's like, you know, all
Speaker 1: the shows this weekend and you know this and that
Speaker 1: and Carlos Silva and this and that and so like
Speaker 1: and I actually should record this someday because the way
Speaker 1: he actually says it is he goes NFC Impacts, Slammiversary,
Speaker 1: Summer Slam, Goldberg's retirement, and I'm like, whoah, dude, hold honest, sec,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to write it down. So I write it down,
Speaker 1: calib you yeah, and I try and put it in
Speaker 1: the order. So I do, like, you know, the pro
Speaker 1: wrestling first, then I do the MMA, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to do the TV shows until the very end,
Speaker 1: even though I used to always want to do him
Speaker 1: first because I figured they were more important, but he
Speaker 1: likes to do him at the end. So I'm putting
Speaker 1: everything in order, and I put Carlos Silva in the
Speaker 1: MMA section because I hear Carlos sil and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's Antonio Carlos Silva, Bigfoot Silva. Like what's going on
Speaker 1: with him? Is he added retirement or something like that?
Speaker 1: So like we do the whole show, and then I
Speaker 1: do in the MMA section, what stupid thing did Connor
Speaker 1: do today?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: He was weightlifting with his Oh. And then you know,
Speaker 1: it's what's going on with Bigfoot Silva? And he goes
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Silva, I'm talking about that guy in charge of TNA.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, oh, Carlos Silva Okay, who.
Speaker 6: Looks a surprising amount like Sean Michaels. What if you
Speaker 6: if you put a hat on him?
Speaker 1: Oh, the current Shawn Michaels.
Speaker 6: The current Sean Michaels. If you put a cowboy hat
Speaker 6: on Carlos Silva and Sadam mctguerrilla, you could get a
Speaker 6: photo and people would mistake it for Sean.
Speaker 1: It's the cowboy hat.
Speaker 6: There's also a similar something. I'm not sure what it is,
Speaker 6: but I've mentioned to a few people backstage. You're like, oh,
Speaker 6: my god, does he ever look like Sean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad is a I mean he is a Mexican,
Speaker 1: and whenever he wears a cowboy hat, he actually does
Speaker 1: sort of come. He does kind of have that Sean
Speaker 1: Michaels thing. It's just kind of the older man with
Speaker 1: like a little bit of you know, stubble right here,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he's in pretty good shape, I
Speaker 1: would say. But anyway, what's the point of all of this.
Speaker 1: I don't know, except that the show is taped this
Speaker 1: coming Thursday, and it doesn't matter if it's light or taped.
Speaker 3: But there you go.
Speaker 1: All right, then, yep, we got the main event, and
Speaker 1: we got the Masha Slamovich J C. Jayne match for
Speaker 1: the knockouts and NXT titles. Yep, we got the Nemoths
Speaker 1: and the Hardy's and Trey Miguel and Zach Wentz and
Speaker 1: aj Francis and Casey Navarro for the tag titles. In
Speaker 1: a ladder match, Champion Moose against Leon Slater X Division
Speaker 1: title to.
Speaker 6: See if Leon can beat Amazing Reds record and become
Speaker 6: the youngest ex Division shap ever.
Speaker 1: Yep, Ash and Heather by elegance versus inspiration. The former
Speaker 1: Iconics was all Le versus Cedric Alexander and Tessa Blanche
Speaker 1: versus any art. Well, so there you go. That's the
Speaker 1: lineup when we come back. I got to make one
Speaker 1: comment about the lineup for Dynamite on Wednesday, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, we have one match but it's notable, and
Speaker 1: then we'll get into the raw report. So stick around, everybody.
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Speaker 1: Back in the show, Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live,
Speaker 1: Lance Storm joining us here today. The heck's going on
Speaker 1: with this thing? Kle Lee, all right, So I don't
Speaker 1: have in front of me, of course, because I was
Speaker 1: busy during the break my children arguing over a block. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there is a match announced for tomorrow's Dynamite show, and
Speaker 1: I bring it up because it involves the Death Writers,
Speaker 1: meaning John Moxley is in the match. And I bring
Speaker 1: it up because I thought for sure that he was
Speaker 1: going to take some time off after that match on Saturday,
Speaker 1: but apparently not. They're they're barreling on forward. It's Death
Speaker 1: Riders against Hangman and I forget the other two, but
Speaker 1: that's the only match announced thus far. And you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're moving from All In, which did like twenty
Speaker 1: seven twenty eight thousand people to this Chicago residency and
Speaker 1: as of yesterday, there were only eleven hundred tickets out
Speaker 1: for Dynamite, eleven hundred, and I think the building was
Speaker 1: only set up for like maybe twelve hundred. But you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people were, oh, man, they should
Speaker 1: have done a much bigger building for the for the
Speaker 1: first show after, and I mean, you could you could
Speaker 1: argue that, but I mean it is actually an issue
Speaker 1: that they'd only sold eleven hundred tickets yesterday and that
Speaker 1: wasn't sold out, so they didn't even sell out twelve
Speaker 1: hundred seats for the post All In show. So I think,
Speaker 1: like you guys watched WrestleMania, and you know, they've been
Speaker 1: doing a really good job with wrestle Mania of late,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't until it wasn't. It was a while ago,
Speaker 1: but you know, for a long time. You know, they
Speaker 1: did WrestleMania one, which was a big deal, and then
Speaker 1: WrestleMania two really wasn't all that big a deal, and
Speaker 1: then WrestleMania three was a big deal because they had
Speaker 1: a Hogan and Andre but then you know WrestleMania four,
Speaker 1: in WrestleMania five, and you know it wasn't then what
Speaker 1: it became, which is like, you don't miss WrestleMania. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if Hogan and Andre's the main event or Bushwhacker,
Speaker 1: Luke and whoever, like you are gonna see like that's
Speaker 1: a big show of the year. They made it an event,
Speaker 1: and they made the raw after wrestle Mania an event,
Speaker 1: and so far aw has kind of done that a
Speaker 1: little bit with double or Nothing. And obviously they had
Speaker 1: big they had a couple of big shows in Wembley,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to make that for all In, which
Speaker 1: is like all In is their WrestleMania every year. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a giant event. They're gonna run a stay,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the big blowoff shows. Like for the
Speaker 1: hardcore fans, that's what it is already, but it's not
Speaker 1: there like to the regular wrestling audience. Yet their wrestle media,
Speaker 1: you don't miss it no matter what. So they need
Speaker 1: to brand that. And they also they really do need
Speaker 1: to brand like the Dynamite after all, in as you
Speaker 1: got to watch this show, there's gonna be all sorts
Speaker 1: of stuff, the whole shebang and uh and clearly with
Speaker 1: eleven hundred tickets out, which I know people are gonna go, well,
Speaker 1: it's they're only there's only set up for a twelve hundred.
Speaker 1: You're right, that twelve hundred should be gone by now.
Speaker 1: It's the show after all, In they should have been
Speaker 1: eleven hundred in a twelve hundred seed building. So there's
Speaker 1: work to be done obviously, and this has been has
Speaker 1: been obvious for a while. You know, the pay per
Speaker 1: views always do well. They do they they sell lots
Speaker 1: of tickets and they do very well on pay per view.
Speaker 1: The TV is not doing well. Some shows do better
Speaker 1: than others, but in general, the TV isn't doing great,
Speaker 1: and so they need to work on that.
Speaker 6: It's a tougher branding because it's a lot easier if
Speaker 6: you're coming in for many weekend to stay till Tuesday.
Speaker 6: Sure you're not going to stay Monday and Tuesday to
Speaker 6: catch the show Wednesday to fly out on Thursday if
Speaker 6: you're coming in for all In. So there's a big
Speaker 6: disconnect just by the geography of being on Wednesday rather
Speaker 6: than the day after all in.
Speaker 1: All right, So this raw show here was it was
Speaker 1: all right, I thought pretty good.
Speaker 6: Actually I enjoyed it. I thought it was interesting that
Speaker 6: off on the heels of the all women's Evolution show.
Speaker 6: The first two hours of this show was all women.
Speaker 1: It was very, very women heavy all the way up
Speaker 1: until the main event. Actually, yeah, everything else was all women.
Speaker 1: And you know, the thing about the show also is
Speaker 1: I mean more than you know. There was one awesome
Speaker 1: match on the show, a women's match actually Bailey and Lyra,
Speaker 1: and I think that the main event. It was pretty
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good gatlet match, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like something you people look back and go, my god,
Speaker 1: you remember that gauntlet match before SummerSlam. But what was
Speaker 1: most notable to me about the show is between the
Speaker 1: Women's Evolution show on Sunday and I mean the Saturday
Speaker 1: night It's main event as well. But they weren't Atlanta
Speaker 1: for Goldberg, so that's kind of an aberration. It was
Speaker 1: his retirement match of course they're gonna go nutty. But
Speaker 1: the Sunday, the Sunday Women's Evolution Show and this Raw show,
Speaker 1: these frickin' fans were fire. I mean, they were so
Speaker 1: hot for that Women's Evolution show and Dave was kind
Speaker 1: of talking about how, well, you know, it sounded like
Speaker 1: more women, heavy audience, lots of little girls and lots
Speaker 1: of women. Well Raw was the next night and it
Speaker 1: wasn't all little girls and women. And they were on
Speaker 1: fire for this show, and especially at the end of
Speaker 1: the show when Roman Reigns came back. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were just going nutty. And it really felt between between
Speaker 1: Saturday and between Sunday and Monday, and really, I guess
Speaker 1: Saturday too, it really felt like this place is heating
Speaker 1: up again. And it wasn't like it had cooled down,
Speaker 1: because I mean it had as far as like booking
Speaker 1: goes and you know, some of the crowds here and
Speaker 1: there in terms of like their reactions, it kind of
Speaker 1: felt like it had cooled down a little bit. But
Speaker 1: it's certainly like if you look at ticket sales and
Speaker 1: you know, business, I mean, it was still totally on fire.
Speaker 1: There's been absolutely no business decline, but the crowd reactions
Speaker 1: from the last two days made it feel like this
Speaker 1: company is like heating up again. So I guess we'll see.
Speaker 1: You know, we got three weeks until Summer Slam. It's
Speaker 1: a two night Summer Slam. But man, this crowd was crazy.
Speaker 1: So the show opened up with the Naomi segment and
Speaker 1: she came out and she was just she was so awesome.
Speaker 2: She was on fire.
Speaker 1: She was like, she was the best promo in the show.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone was even close, to
Speaker 1: be honest. So she came out and she was awesome.
Speaker 1: She's interrupted by Rhea and she's interrupted by EO and
Speaker 1: leads to Adam Pierce announcing a three way for the
Speaker 1: title at SummerSlam. And the only thing I did not
Speaker 1: like about this is Naomi is a heel champion. Ria
Speaker 1: and EO are both babyfaces, And when Adam Pierce came
Speaker 1: out to announce that Naomi was gonna have to defend
Speaker 1: in a three way against two babyfaces and a match
Speaker 1: where she can lose that belt without being pinned, she
Speaker 1: was like happy, She smiled, she was like yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like, why are you excited about this? Like the
Speaker 1: whole idea is that he always hates having to defend
Speaker 1: in a three way. But she was happy, So I
Speaker 1: don't know why that didn't make sense.
Speaker 6: Maybe she's got friends that are gonna help her out
Speaker 6: because three ways are no DQ, which drives me insane.
Speaker 1: That is that is true? Yeap? By the way, since
Speaker 1: when we're gauntlet matches no DQ.
Speaker 6: I don't know. But as soon as Michael Cole said
Speaker 6: those words after the trip in the main event, I
Speaker 6: lost interest because I hate those rules and I always
Speaker 6: wonder why the villains are standing ringside that long before
Speaker 6: they help.
Speaker 1: I could have sworn that they have done gauntlet matches
Speaker 1: where a person has been eliminated via DQ.
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm sure they have.
Speaker 1: They just randomly announced there's no DQ's in a gauntlet.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, that doesn't make any sense. So
Speaker 1: we add Raquel and roxand versus Oscar Kyrie, which I
Speaker 1: thought was pretty good. Roxanne and Raquel won, and they
Speaker 1: continue to work together to win matches and they're starting
Speaker 1: to get on the same page, and that, of course,
Speaker 1: is building to the eventual return of Live Morgan to
Speaker 1: be very happy.
Speaker 6: I'm becoming a big fan of Roxanne.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're becoming.
Speaker 6: Well, I haven't seen her much. I don't watch this.
Speaker 1: Show, dude. She's freaking great. Yes, yes, but I probably
Speaker 1: twenty one.
Speaker 6: I've probably seen less than five of her matches.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she's been this good, like since she came in.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not like one of those those
Speaker 1: women that came in it was bad. I mean she
Speaker 1: came in at like nineteen or whatever she was, and
Speaker 1: she was already like one of the best women's workers
Speaker 1: they had. And man, she's good. We had a and this,
Speaker 1: by the way, this is also notable. Jackie asks Simon
Speaker 1: what's up with Seth Rawlins and allegedly Seth had his
Speaker 1: evaluation in Birmingham, and Paul claimed, we have no information,
Speaker 1: and I now, I mean, listen, I don't have that
Speaker 1: much inside information. But I will say I believe one
Speaker 1: hundred percent that he has a minor knee injury. They
Speaker 1: weren't the injury on Saturday Night's main event. He's getting
Speaker 1: the minor knee injury taken care of. They're gonna lead
Speaker 1: you to believe he's gonna be out nine months. He's
Speaker 1: gonna make a surprise return, maybe not as early as
Speaker 1: Summer Slam, but significantly quote ahead of schedule, and the
Speaker 1: way they did this segment right here, it was like
Speaker 1: if he was legitimately injured on Saturday night and tore
Speaker 1: his ACL and everything else, that they're kind of hinting
Speaker 1: that he did. I mean, they don't have no information
Speaker 1: on Monday, Paul isn't keeping it a secret and making
Speaker 1: it come across like a total angle. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I'm of the camp that he's mildly hurt and we'll
Speaker 1: be back somewhat soon.
Speaker 6: But I'm also of the camp that this injury has
Speaker 6: gotten a lot of speculation and a lot of buzz
Speaker 6: and a lot of talk, and they're going to want
Speaker 6: to keep that in the dark, to keep that buzz
Speaker 6: and talk going no matter what.
Speaker 1: No, we had the women's best of three falls match
Speaker 1: Lyra versus Bailey with the Winter getting Becky at SummerSlam,
Speaker 1: and the first match went a minute the first fall
Speaker 1: and the first fall goes a minute and it's just
Speaker 1: a cradle Bailey, Slappter and Pinder, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what a waste, Like I was already irritated, But then
Speaker 1: the second fall went ten minutes and the third fall
Speaker 1: went I don't even know how long longer. But this
Speaker 1: match was frickin' awesome. I mean, by the time they
Speaker 1: got to the end, the place is going wild. The
Speaker 1: work is great, and the finish was so awesome as
Speaker 1: Bailey had a thanks she got her in like the
Speaker 1: crossface or whatever, and Lyra is fighting for these ropes
Speaker 1: and she's fighting for these ropes and she's not gonna
Speaker 1: make it and she's about to grab and Bailey does
Speaker 1: a deal where she pushes off the ropes and does
Speaker 1: a roll back into the move, but Lyra uses her
Speaker 1: momentum to continue rolling to her feet and she hits
Speaker 1: a night wing and gets the pin clean pin. It's
Speaker 1: her and Becky at SummerSlam. This was the best thing
Speaker 1: on the show. It probably would have been. I think
Speaker 1: this was better in a three way at the Evolution show,
Speaker 1: which was awesome. So this was great.
Speaker 6: I enjoyed it too. I just don't like the inconsistency,
Speaker 6: especially on the same show, in that the other title
Speaker 6: match was kind of in a three way that Naomi won,
Speaker 6: and the decision is we'll have another three way, and
Speaker 6: this one they had a three way where one person won,
Speaker 6: and they decided that the two challengers will have a
Speaker 6: single match to determine who's the single challenger. It's like,
Speaker 6: why too, completely different change of brains of thought for
Speaker 6: the exact same scenario.
Speaker 1: And then, uh, really, the only thing I want to
Speaker 1: talk about because we don't have time is the main event,
Speaker 1: which was the Gauntlet match, and it didn't go an hour,
Speaker 1: went about forty five minutes, and uh, bron Breaker beat Penta,
Speaker 1: bron Breaker beat La Night, bron Breaker beat jay Uso.
Speaker 1: And then finally the last match, it's bron Breaker in
Speaker 1: CM Punk and everybody tries to interfere your Bronson reads,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, and then jay Uso comes out
Speaker 1: and Punk ends up hitting the gts and winning. And
Speaker 1: my two takeaways are number One, poor bron Breaker was freakin' exhausted.
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, he's trying to do his sprinting spear
Speaker 1: and this guy can barely run. And the other point
Speaker 1: is like the idea is, you know, this guy runs
Speaker 1: a gauntlet to get a title shot. Ciampunk came in
Speaker 1: at the end against an exhausted guy and after interference one,
Speaker 1: so like, if the idea was to get him over
Speaker 1: big for Gun, I don't think this did it at all.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about Roman after the break Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Simpervivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: So the raw show ended with all Roman reigns coming out,
Speaker 1: and he ran wild and they chanted O c OTC
Speaker 1: and they chanted his name and he ended up destroying
Speaker 1: Reed and Braun And I guess we have to find
Speaker 1: out what he's doing at SummerSlam. Is it like Roman
Speaker 1: and Bronson Reed? Is it Roman and bron Breaker? Who's
Speaker 1: Roman facing?
Speaker 6: I don't know, but they were singing his name, which
Speaker 6: was weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they've done that before. They've they've done
Speaker 1: the Roman Reigns Roman Reigns song before. But I think
Speaker 1: obviously it was probably I mean, Mike guess is because
Speaker 1: whatever happened. Somebody asked like, well, if the seth injury
Speaker 1: was a work, why did they have to redo the
Speaker 1: last forty minutes of Saturday Night's the main event. Well,
Speaker 1: it's because if it was a work, they haven't told
Speaker 1: anybody it was a work, like all the production people
Speaker 1: and the other wrestlers. That's what I talked about the
Speaker 1: other day. If people find out this whole thing was
Speaker 1: a work. They're gonna be furious because everybody was under
Speaker 1: the impression Saturday that he got hurt on that spot,
Speaker 1: and they like had to scramble in the last forty
Speaker 1: minutes to get the show back on track because I
Speaker 1: was told there was something at the end of the show,
Speaker 1: which I later heard was it was not a cash in,
Speaker 1: but there was something planned for the end of the
Speaker 1: show that didn't happen because of what happened with.
Speaker 6: Set The rest of Goldberg's speech.
Speaker 1: Well, it could have been that, but what I actually
Speaker 1: think it was was Seth probably was was gonna head
Speaker 1: down to the ring or something, and Roman Reigns was
Speaker 1: gonna make his big return, and they were gonna do
Speaker 1: Roman Reigns in Seth rollins at SummerSlam. So with set out,
Speaker 1: maybe it's gonna be Roman and Braun or Roman and
Speaker 1: Bronson or something of that nature. But anyway, we're out
Speaker 1: of time. Thank you, Lance. We'll see you over the
Speaker 1: next couple of days and I'll be back tonight. Brian
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