WEBVTT - TNA Slammiversary

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with your hosts,

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Alvarez and Mike sempervb.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, you're ready, where you're ready, Let's get it off.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 1>We are here every day Monday through Friday, New Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>And it's Tuesday here on the show, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>what that means. We got a lot to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>here today. Yes, I am here actually in Lovely Canon Beach, Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>Here today for the next couple of days, half vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still doing all the normal work except for yesterday's

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<v Speaker 1>Observer Radio. Thank God for Garrett. But anyway, we got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to get into here today. It's Tuesday, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we got NXT tonight and NXT is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>go home show sort of the NXT tonight is they

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<v Speaker 1>got a six man tag involving Trick Williams, Joe Hendry,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mike Santana, all of whom are facing off for

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<v Speaker 1>the TNA title coming up on Sunday at Slammiversary. And

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<v Speaker 1>as always, whenever there's anything T and A related to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about, we're lucky enough to just by coincidence, have

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<v Speaker 1>Landstorm as the co host here today, so we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that on the program. We got raw from

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<v Speaker 1>last night, which included a gauntlet match to determine the

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<v Speaker 1>challenger for Gunther at SummerSlam. We'll tell you about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We got Impact in Slam a versary lineups for the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of days. A match has been announced for

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow's Dynamite, which is interesting and I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 1>We've also got notes on the Goldberg retirement rating, which

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<v Speaker 1>I really got to talk about, and I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>why when I get to it and SmackDown on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and plenty more. If you want to text us here

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<v Speaker 1>today questions for Lance or myself, you're welcome to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>Are the show Bryan Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Lance Storm is joining us here today. All Lance Storm,

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<v Speaker 1>which is my favorite nickname for you, Lance. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 6>Not too much? Finally, stop raining here in Calgary.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been raining, oh all.

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<v Speaker 6>Day yesterday, like for like twenty four hours straight, very wet.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Lance, we haven't talked to you since since this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>What if anything did you watch on this wild weekend?

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<v Speaker 6>What did I watch? I watched the Goldberg retirement match.

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<v Speaker 6>I was curious to see it and see how we did.

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<v Speaker 6>I've always liked Bill and got along with him, so

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<v Speaker 6>I watched that. Thought it was quite good considering his age.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought Gunther and he did a great job. I

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<v Speaker 6>would have liked to have heard his entire speech at

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<v Speaker 6>the end. I'll probably track it down at some point.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I saw a few clips of a few matches.

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<v Speaker 6>I saw all of Monday Night Raw last night, but

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't actually watch any of the shows other than

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<v Speaker 6>the Gunther match.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to mention the Goldberg retirement match rating

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<v Speaker 1>because it's kind of interesting actually, because everybody was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about all of the shows this weekend. Okay, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we had this big kind of debate on Observer Radio

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<v Speaker 1>about like what's the point of all of this, Like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's trying, Oh, we're gonna do this show to counter

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<v Speaker 1>this show, and it's not nineteen eighty eight, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can watch this on this device and I can record

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<v Speaker 1>this to watch it later, like, is anything really affecting

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<v Speaker 1>anything else? You know what I'm saying. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>AW ran their show, which ended up being an eight

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<v Speaker 1>hour show. There was actually seven hours of wrestling on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. The first hour of the pre show was

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<v Speaker 1>only talking, so if we're talking about just wrestling matches,

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<v Speaker 1>they ran seven hours of wrestling matches and it actually

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<v Speaker 1>cut into the beginning of Saturday Night's main event, which originally,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they didn't really want to go head to

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<v Speaker 1>head with Saturday Night's main event, so they moved it,

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<v Speaker 1>but then they went head to head with Saturday Night's

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<v Speaker 1>main event for the main event anyway, so everyone's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about will it affect Saturday Night's main event? Will it

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<v Speaker 1>not affect Saturday Night's main event? You know, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Saturday Night's Main event number did one point

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<v Speaker 1>four million viewers, and it was down twenty seven percent

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<v Speaker 1>from the last Saturday Night It's main event. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the moment you hear that, obviously your first thought is, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe all In actually did effect Saturday Night's main event.

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<v Speaker 1>The show is down twenty seven percent from the show

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<v Speaker 1>in May, and it did have the retirement match of

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Goldberg. Now we don't have the quarter hour ratings,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can't really determine, you know, because all In

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go headhead with the entire show. It just went

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<v Speaker 1>head to head with the first I can't remember half

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<v Speaker 1>hour or something like that. So but here's here's the

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<v Speaker 1>notable thing about this. Okay, yes, this show was down

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven percent from the last show. The last show

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<v Speaker 1>in May did two million viewers and a point five

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<v Speaker 1>to four. Okay, this show did one point four million

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<v Speaker 1>and a point three to three. So that's a substantial drop,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you want to, you probably could argue that

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<v Speaker 1>all In heard it. However, However, the first Saturday Night's

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<v Speaker 1>main event in December of twenty twenty four did one

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<v Speaker 1>point six million and a point four the second one

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<v Speaker 1>in January did one point four million, one point four

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<v Speaker 1>to nine million and a point three to three, and

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<v Speaker 1>the one on this past Saturday to one point four

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<v Speaker 1>million and a point three to three. So what actually happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that all In did not affect Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>Night's main event. Maybe it did, But what actually happened

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the last four episodes is for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason. The May episode just did surprisingly well. The

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<v Speaker 1>July twelfth show this past Saturday actually did virtually exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the same as the show in January, and only a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit below the show in December. So while it

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<v Speaker 1>is down some stantially from the last show, really the

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<v Speaker 1>last show was kind of the aberration. The last show

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<v Speaker 1>did an extra half million viewers above all of the

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<v Speaker 1>other shows. So I don't really know what the answer is.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have quarters to really make the determination, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can say that going head to head

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, parts of all Out, the show was

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<v Speaker 1>down twenty seven percent from last time. But you could

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<v Speaker 1>also look at all of the ratings for Saturday night's

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<v Speaker 1>main event and say it's actually, it's actually more likely

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<v Speaker 1>that what happened was May was just substantially up for

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<v Speaker 1>reasons I cannot explain, but anyway, that's the number.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 6>Also, too, traditionally aren't television ratings on the weekend traditionally

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<v Speaker 6>lower during the summer, Like, do we have a summer

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<v Speaker 6>number to compare?

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<v Speaker 1>No, because they just started back up again in December.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you only have two winter numbers, a spring

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<v Speaker 1>number and a summer number.

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<v Speaker 6>My kids are out of school, whether it's good people vacation,

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<v Speaker 6>chance that people just turnt home on a Saturday as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the SmackDown on Friday did well. It was up

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<v Speaker 1>twenty percent from the previous week. This was the show

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<v Speaker 1>that actually went head tohead with the Ring of Honor show.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I don't think anyone, I don't think anyone thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that the Ring of Honor pay per view is going

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<v Speaker 1>to affect SmackDown. But this show did one point four

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<v Speaker 1>million viewers in a point three to seven and we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even talk about this on any of the shows

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. But on SmackDown Friday, the Wyatts won the

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<v Speaker 1>tag team titles. So I talked about this before the match,

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<v Speaker 1>actually because I didn't think the Wyatts were gonna win

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<v Speaker 1>the titles, because you know, the Wyatts had been off

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<v Speaker 1>TV for a long time, and their first match back,

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<v Speaker 1>my god, they had an atrocious match with the Motor

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<v Speaker 1>City machine Guns, which filthy Tom. It is current state

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<v Speaker 1>and me and my current state, we would have had

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<v Speaker 1>a better match with the MotorCity machine Guns. This thing

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<v Speaker 1>was just off the rails. It's almost impossible to have

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<v Speaker 1>a bad match with the MotorCity machine Guns. But like

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<v Speaker 1>the Wyatts, particularly Dexter Loomis. I mean, this poor guy

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<v Speaker 1>had probably the worst night of his career. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about this prior to the tag title match,

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<v Speaker 1>because I said, you know, one difference between you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Triple H and Vinces. If they would have had that

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<v Speaker 1>match and Vince was in charge, I mean, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the end of the Wyatts. I mean, he would

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<v Speaker 1>have pulled the plug on them immediately. But the thing

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<v Speaker 1>with Hunter, you know, whatever you want to say about

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, like he'll have his plan, he'll have his storyline,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, ninety five percent of the time, he's

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna keep going. And so you could see, like

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<v Speaker 1>when they brought the Wyatts back, the idea was they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna run through that tag team division. All of the

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<v Speaker 1>other tag teams are gonna be fighting amongst themselves, and

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<v Speaker 1>like the Wyatts are are gonna end up winning the titles.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's what it looked like when they started

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. Then they had that horrible match, and so

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<v Speaker 1>like I just thought, I don't know if they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>put these belts on the Wyatts, dude, but he did.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Wyatts are the tag team champions. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>God bless them, they're the worst tag team in the division,

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<v Speaker 1>but like that's the story they're telling right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>they much like this show, barreled on through. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Whites are the tag team champions.

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<v Speaker 6>And I believe if you consider Tiffany Stratton to be

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<v Speaker 6>a heel, every WWE championship is currently held by heels.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think Tiffany is supposed to be a babyface,

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<v Speaker 1>as astonishing as that is, So there is one right now,

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<v Speaker 1>there is one. There's one babyface champion, and I do

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<v Speaker 1>expect some title changes to be up coming, maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>CM punk at Summer Slam, although we are going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that after the break and a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more on on seth rawlins uh that that's coming up

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<v Speaker 1>after the break as well. We'll do the Raw Report

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<v Speaker 1>and talk all of the rest of the news and

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<v Speaker 1>some TNA notes with Lance and of course if you

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<v Speaker 1>have questions Texas four two five, seven, eight zero seven,

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<v Speaker 1>five sixty six, But we're gonna add to a break.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back in a moment with more Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 3>Some stop.

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, a couple of things here. First off, we

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about the whits winning the tag titles. Lance,

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<v Speaker 1>the whites are babyfaces?

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<v Speaker 6>Are they really?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Spooky creepy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the whites are babyfaces. The whites are baby face

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<v Speaker 1>and and this this doesn't actually count because they are heels.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, the Judgment Day did win the tag titles

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<v Speaker 1>as total babyfaces. They went into the match, they worked

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<v Speaker 1>total babyface, they made a baby face come back and

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<v Speaker 1>they won clean. And it was like, but they're heels,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're a heel group. Yeah, it was ridiculous. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, as we'll get to later, I'm fine

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<v Speaker 1>with all the champions being heels if one of those

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<v Speaker 1>champions is Naomi. She was she actually, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>was on Raw. She has been so awesome since her

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<v Speaker 1>most recent heel turn when she did that promo on

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<v Speaker 1>Raw and she called all the women in the locker

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<v Speaker 1>room raggedy heifers. I died, I absolutely died, raggedy heifers.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the greatest. I hope she never loses the belt.

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<v Speaker 6>She's really found her confidence and oh, Yeah, it's just

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<v Speaker 6>it was fantastic. I was really impressed last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we also have to talk. We'll do the full

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<v Speaker 1>raw report, but I know you want to talk about uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicky and Chelsea, which I also want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>because I had a bunch of people that were messaging

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<v Speaker 1>me saying that match was horrible, and this is before

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it, and so I watched it, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't horrible until about the last thirty seconds. Last

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds, that thing went off the rails. Before then

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was, it was not too bad.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you find Nicky's post about the finish?

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<v Speaker 1>What'd she say about the finish? I saw that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about to read the whole interview she did about the experience,

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<v Speaker 1>But what did she say about the finish?

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<v Speaker 6>She said, she instinctively accidentally went for her old finish

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<v Speaker 6>by mistake. She was supposed to go for the TKO

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<v Speaker 6>because the rack attack is what broke her neck, but

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<v Speaker 6>she just instinctively accidentally went for her old finish that

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<v Speaker 6>broke her neck, and when she did, she realized she

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<v Speaker 6>screwed up, and that's when Chelsea countered out and then

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<v Speaker 6>she went for the proper finish.

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<v Speaker 1>What is a rack attack?

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<v Speaker 6>Compared to Ako, she would do the torture rack and

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<v Speaker 6>then drop to her knees and the woman would bump

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<v Speaker 6>on her back. Oh yeah, yeah, broke her neck.

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<v Speaker 1>That ain't good for your neck.

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<v Speaker 6>And so when Chelsea fed in for the new finish,

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<v Speaker 6>she for some reason just muscle memory spun her around

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<v Speaker 6>backwards and then tried to pick her up for the

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<v Speaker 6>rack and then realized, oh crap, this is the one

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<v Speaker 6>that broke my neck. I'm not supposed to do it.

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<v Speaker 6>And they had to counter out of it. So it

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<v Speaker 6>was just a memory lapse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was weird. So she did an interview and

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<v Speaker 1>it was funny. She goes she always puts a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of pressure on herself. She was coming back from a

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<v Speaker 1>seven year layoff. She says, where I'm at now is

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<v Speaker 1>I knew I wasn't going to go in tonight and

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<v Speaker 1>be perfect. I knew I wasn't going to be an

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<v Speaker 1>Eo Sky. I wasn't going to be a rear Ripley.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't going to be a Bailey. I wasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a Chelsea Green. I howled. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>she meant to Bury her, But god, what a line.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she's talked about how you know it's been

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<v Speaker 1>seven years I had a baby, you haven't been in

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<v Speaker 1>the ring, and she was very happy. She was very

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<v Speaker 1>blown up, she said, but I gave it my all. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, Nikki, I'll tell you one thing. No

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<v Speaker 1>matter how blown up you were in that match, you

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<v Speaker 1>were not as blown up as brown Breaker. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>that poor guy. He was dying in that match, as

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<v Speaker 1>we shall get too later. But I thought, honestly, like

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<v Speaker 1>nothing against Chelsea, but I thought, honestly, in that match,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Nicky like did a better job than she did,

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<v Speaker 1>very much like on Saturday, I thought that Trich did

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<v Speaker 1>a better job than Tiffany. So that's just me. But

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to talk about their full circle deal.

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<v Speaker 6>Here, well sort of. I posted on I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>if it was Threads or Blue Sky and actually texted

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<v Speaker 6>Chelsea about it. But Chelsea's WWE television debut, when she

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<v Speaker 6>was like weeks into the business, was as Megan Miller,

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<v Speaker 6>the physical therapist for Daniel Bryan, and had the confrontation

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<v Speaker 6>with Brie. Not Nicky unfortunately, But for the enjoyment of myself,

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<v Speaker 6>last night, I considered it the same person and Bree

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<v Speaker 6>slapped the holy hell out of her in the ring

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<v Speaker 6>for rumors of her having an affair with Daniel Bryan

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<v Speaker 6>and tonight, however, many years later, she got to go

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<v Speaker 6>full sole and have the grudge match with a Bella.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like she knocked her silly with that slap.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember if that's the case or not, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do know that Stephanie McMahon had a reputation too.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember everyone said, steph slap's worthy hardest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know everyone, you know, they watched all these

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<v Speaker 1>matches and you talk about this or that or this

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<v Speaker 1>big move or landing on this head or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think people realize how many people in wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>got messed up because they got slapped. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 1>have been a lot of people that have gotten messed

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<v Speaker 1>up because they got slapped by some lady or another.

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<v Speaker 1>And Stephanie was she was a what do they call.

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<v Speaker 6>It a potato?

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, that too god.

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<v Speaker 6>But yes, there's actually proper ways to slap people, and

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<v Speaker 6>not everybody utilizes that technique.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like, I like the old slap the neck

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<v Speaker 1>so you actually don't even touch the head that's slapping

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<v Speaker 1>in the face really frickin hard.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm as fine with the face as long as it's

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<v Speaker 6>just with the fingers. It's when you get the heel

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<v Speaker 6>of the hand in the side of the head that

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<v Speaker 6>you're gonna get knocked out.

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<v Speaker 1>So NXT tonight we have got the go home show

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<v Speaker 1>kind of for a Different Promotions pay per view. It

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<v Speaker 1>is Trick Williams, Joe Hendry and Mike Santana versus Dark State,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously the Slammiversary main event coming up on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>is Trick, Joe and Mike Santana for the TNA title.

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<v Speaker 1>The TNA title being defended in the main event of

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<v Speaker 1>a TNA pay per view by an NXT wrestler against

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<v Speaker 1>two TNA wrestlers. So we got that six man and

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<v Speaker 1>we got Tony d and Channing Stas Lorenzo and Luca

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<v Speaker 1>Cruzefino in a three way, and then on on Impact Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>we got Joe henda In Santana versus Trick and Frankie Kazarian.

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<v Speaker 1>So many different uh, a lot of different combinations of

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<v Speaker 1>these three guys leading up to this main event, Champion

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<v Speaker 1>Moose versus Sammy Callahan Tessa Blanchard and Danny Luna and

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<v Speaker 1>order for versus the System. That's the TV the actual

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<v Speaker 1>TNA Go Home show coming up on Thursday. Is that taped?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let the guy in charge that what's his name,

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot Silva? Let him know that I never know if

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<v Speaker 1>the show's taped or not. So is that his name Carlos? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but like Bigfoot Silva's name is Antonio Carlos Silva.

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<v Speaker 1>So like the other day, you guys don't know what happens,

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<v Speaker 1>which you don't. So I called Dave to do the

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<v Speaker 1>Observer show at usually around midnight, and he's usually not ready,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, eventually he'll say, I'm I'm checking

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<v Speaker 1>my emails and so we connect everything and then for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, it's like another half hour before the show starts. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So he finally comes over ready to do the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I say, what are we gonna talk about here today?

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<v Speaker 1>And so the other day he's like, you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>the shows this weekend and you know this and that

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<v Speaker 1>and Carlos Silva and this and that and so like

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<v Speaker 1>and I actually should record this someday because the way

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<v Speaker 1>he actually says it is he goes NFC Impacts, Slammiversary,

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<v Speaker 1>Summer Slam, Goldberg's retirement, and I'm like, whoah, dude, hold honest, sec,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to write it down. So I write it down,

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<v Speaker 1>calib you yeah, and I try and put it in

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<v Speaker 1>the order. So I do, like, you know, the pro

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<v Speaker 1>wrestling first, then I do the MMA, and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do the TV shows until the very end,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I used to always want to do him

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<v Speaker 1>first because I figured they were more important, but he

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<v Speaker 1>likes to do him at the end. So I'm putting

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<v Speaker 1>everything in order, and I put Carlos Silva in the

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<v Speaker 1>MMA section because I hear Carlos sil and it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Antonio Carlos Silva, Bigfoot Silva. Like what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>with him? Is he added retirement or something like that?

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<v Speaker 1>So like we do the whole show, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>do in the MMA section, what stupid thing did Connor

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<v Speaker 1>do today?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>He was weightlifting with his Oh. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's what's going on with Bigfoot Silva? And he goes

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot Silva, I'm talking about that guy in charge of TNA.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what, oh, Carlos Silva Okay, who.

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<v Speaker 6>Looks a surprising amount like Sean Michaels. What if you

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<v Speaker 6>if you put a hat on him?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, the current Shawn Michaels.

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<v Speaker 6>The current Sean Michaels. If you put a cowboy hat

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<v Speaker 6>on Carlos Silva and Sadam mctguerrilla, you could get a

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<v Speaker 6>photo and people would mistake it for Sean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the cowboy hat.

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<v Speaker 6>There's also a similar something. I'm not sure what it is,

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<v Speaker 6>but I've mentioned to a few people backstage. You're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>my god, does he ever look like Sean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my dad is a I mean he is a Mexican,

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<v Speaker 1>and whenever he wears a cowboy hat, he actually does

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<v Speaker 1>sort of come. He does kind of have that Sean

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<v Speaker 1>Michaels thing. It's just kind of the older man with

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<v Speaker 1>like a little bit of you know, stubble right here,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, he's in pretty good shape, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say. But anyway, what's the point of all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, except that the show is taped this

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<v Speaker 1>coming Thursday, and it doesn't matter if it's light or taped.

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<v Speaker 3>But there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, then, yep, we got the main event, and

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<v Speaker 1>we got the Masha Slamovich J C. Jayne match for

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<v Speaker 1>the knockouts and NXT titles. Yep, we got the Nemoths

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<v Speaker 1>and the Hardy's and Trey Miguel and Zach Wentz and

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<v Speaker 1>aj Francis and Casey Navarro for the tag titles. In

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<v Speaker 1>a ladder match, Champion Moose against Leon Slater X Division

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<v Speaker 1>title to.

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<v Speaker 6>See if Leon can beat Amazing Reds record and become

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<v Speaker 6>the youngest ex Division shap ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, Ash and Heather by elegance versus inspiration. The former

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<v Speaker 1>Iconics was all Le versus Cedric Alexander and Tessa Blanche

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<v Speaker 1>versus any art. Well, so there you go. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>lineup when we come back. I got to make one

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<v Speaker 1>comment about the lineup for Dynamite on Wednesday, which, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, we have one match but it's notable, and

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the show, Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live,

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<v Speaker 1>Lance Storm joining us here today. The heck's going on

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<v Speaker 1>with this thing? Kle Lee, all right, So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have in front of me, of course, because I was

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<v Speaker 1>busy during the break my children arguing over a block. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a match announced for tomorrow's Dynamite show, and

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<v Speaker 1>I bring it up because it involves the Death Writers,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning John Moxley is in the match. And I bring

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<v Speaker 1>it up because I thought for sure that he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to take some time off after that match on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently not. They're they're barreling on forward. It's Death

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<v Speaker 1>Riders against Hangman and I forget the other two, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only match announced thus far. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're moving from All In, which did like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven twenty eight thousand people to this Chicago residency and

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<v Speaker 1>as of yesterday, there were only eleven hundred tickets out

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<v Speaker 1>for Dynamite, eleven hundred, and I think the building was

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<v Speaker 1>only set up for like maybe twelve hundred. But you

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people were, oh, man, they should

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<v Speaker 1>have done a much bigger building for the for the

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<v Speaker 1>first show after, and I mean, you could you could

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<v Speaker 1>argue that, but I mean it is actually an issue

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<v Speaker 1>that they'd only sold eleven hundred tickets yesterday and that

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>wasn't sold out, so they didn't even sell out twelve

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred seats for the post All In show. So I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like you guys watched WrestleMania, and you know, they've been

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 1>doing a really good job with wrestle Mania of late,

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't until it wasn't. It was a while ago,

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>but you know, for a long time. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>did WrestleMania one, which was a big deal, and then

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>WrestleMania two really wasn't all that big a deal, and

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<v Speaker 1>then WrestleMania three was a big deal because they had

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<v Speaker 1>a Hogan and Andre but then you know WrestleMania four,

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<v Speaker 1>in WrestleMania five, and you know it wasn't then what

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<v Speaker 1>it became, which is like, you don't miss WrestleMania. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter if Hogan and Andre's the main event or Bushwhacker,

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<v Speaker 1>Luke and whoever, like you are gonna see like that's

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<v Speaker 1>a big show of the year. They made it an event,

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<v Speaker 1>and they made the raw after wrestle Mania an event,

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and so far aw has kind of done that a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit with double or Nothing. And obviously they had

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<v Speaker 1>big they had a couple of big shows in Wembley,

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to make that for all In, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like all In is their WrestleMania every year. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a giant event. They're gonna run a stay,

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be the big blowoff shows. Like for the

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>hardcore fans, that's what it is already, but it's not

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 1>there like to the regular wrestling audience. Yet their wrestle media,

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.879
<v Speaker 1>you don't miss it no matter what. So they need

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to brand that. And they also they really do need

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>to brand like the Dynamite after all, in as you

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>got to watch this show, there's gonna be all sorts

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>of stuff, the whole shebang and uh and clearly with

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>eleven hundred tickets out, which I know people are gonna go, well,

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>it's they're only there's only set up for a twelve hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, that twelve hundred should be gone by now.

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>It's the show after all, In they should have been

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>eleven hundred in a twelve hundred seed building. So there's

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>work to be done obviously, and this has been has

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>been obvious for a while. You know, the pay per

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>views always do well. They do they they sell lots

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 1>of tickets and they do very well on pay per view.

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 1>The TV is not doing well. Some shows do better

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 1>than others, but in general, the TV isn't doing great,

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 1>and so they need to work on that.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a tougher branding because it's a lot easier if

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.760
<v Speaker 6>you're coming in for many weekend to stay till Tuesday.

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 6>Sure you're not going to stay Monday and Tuesday to

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 6>catch the show Wednesday to fly out on Thursday if

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 6>you're coming in for all In. So there's a big

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 6>disconnect just by the geography of being on Wednesday rather

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 6>than the day after all in.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So this raw show here was it was

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>all right, I thought pretty good.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually I enjoyed it. I thought it was interesting that

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:48.399
<v Speaker 6>off on the heels of the all women's Evolution show.

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 6>The first two hours of this show was all women.

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>It was very, very women heavy all the way up

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 1>until the main event. Actually, yeah, everything else was all women.

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.880
<v Speaker 1>And you know, the thing about the show also is

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean more than you know. There was one awesome

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>match on the show, a women's match actually Bailey and Lyra,

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>and I think that the main event. It was pretty

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>It was a pretty good gatlet match, but it wasn't

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 1>like something you people look back and go, my god,

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>you remember that gauntlet match before SummerSlam. But what was

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 1>most notable to me about the show is between the

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Women's Evolution show on Sunday and I mean the Saturday

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>night It's main event as well. But they weren't Atlanta

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>for Goldberg, so that's kind of an aberration. It was

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 1>his retirement match of course they're gonna go nutty. But

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the Sunday, the Sunday Women's Evolution Show and this Raw show,

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>these frickin' fans were fire. I mean, they were so

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:57.399
<v Speaker 1>hot for that Women's Evolution show and Dave was kind

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>of talking about how, well, you know, it sounded like

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>more women, heavy audience, lots of little girls and lots

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 1>of women. Well Raw was the next night and it

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't all little girls and women. And they were on

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>fire for this show, and especially at the end of

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 1>the show when Roman Reigns came back. I mean, they

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 1>were just going nutty. And it really felt between between

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Saturday and between Sunday and Monday, and really, I guess

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Saturday too, it really felt like this place is heating

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:30.320
<v Speaker 1>up again. And it wasn't like it had cooled down,

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.320
<v Speaker 1>because I mean it had as far as like booking

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:37.799
<v Speaker 1>goes and you know, some of the crowds here and

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 1>there in terms of like their reactions, it kind of

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 1>felt like it had cooled down a little bit. But

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 1>it's certainly like if you look at ticket sales and

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:47.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, business, I mean, it was still totally on fire.

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 1>There's been absolutely no business decline, but the crowd reactions

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 1>from the last two days made it feel like this

0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 1>company is like heating up again. So I guess we'll see.

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, we got three weeks until Summer Slam. It's

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>a two night Summer Slam. But man, this crowd was crazy.

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 1>So the show opened up with the Naomi segment and

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.880
<v Speaker 1>she came out and she was just she was so awesome.

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:14.320
<v Speaker 2>She was on fire.

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>She was like, she was the best promo in the show.

0:38:18.400 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think anyone was even close, to

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 1>be honest. So she came out and she was awesome.

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 1>She's interrupted by Rhea and she's interrupted by EO and

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 1>leads to Adam Pierce announcing a three way for the

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 1>title at SummerSlam. And the only thing I did not

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 1>like about this is Naomi is a heel champion. Ria

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 1>and EO are both babyfaces, And when Adam Pierce came

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 1>out to announce that Naomi was gonna have to defend

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 1>in a three way against two babyfaces and a match

0:38:56.080 --> 0:39:00.080
<v Speaker 1>where she can lose that belt without being pinned, she

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>was like happy, She smiled, she was like yeah, I

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>was like, why are you excited about this? Like the

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>whole idea is that he always hates having to defend

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 1>in a three way. But she was happy, So I

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 1>don't know why that didn't make sense.

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 6>Maybe she's got friends that are gonna help her out

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:17.720
<v Speaker 6>because three ways are no DQ, which drives me insane.

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>That is that is true? Yeap? By the way, since

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 1>when we're gauntlet matches no DQ.

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 6>I don't know. But as soon as Michael Cole said

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 6>those words after the trip in the main event, I

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 6>lost interest because I hate those rules and I always

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 6>wonder why the villains are standing ringside that long before

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:38.879
<v Speaker 6>they help.

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I could have sworn that they have done gauntlet matches

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 1>where a person has been eliminated via DQ.

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 6>Oh, I'm sure they have.

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>They just randomly announced there's no DQ's in a gauntlet.

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what, that doesn't make any sense. So

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>we add Raquel and roxand versus Oscar Kyrie, which I

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 1>thought was pretty good. Roxanne and Raquel won, and they

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 1>continue to work together to win matches and they're starting

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to get on the same page, and that, of course,

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 1>is building to the eventual return of Live Morgan to

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:15.320
<v Speaker 1>be very happy.

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 6>I'm becoming a big fan of Roxanne.

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're becoming.

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 6>Well, I haven't seen her much. I don't watch this.

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Show, dude. She's freaking great. Yes, yes, but I probably

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:28.919
<v Speaker 1>twenty one.

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 6>I've probably seen less than five of her matches.

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, she's been this good, like since she came in.

0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is not like one of those those

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.799
<v Speaker 1>women that came in it was bad. I mean she

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.719
<v Speaker 1>came in at like nineteen or whatever she was, and

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 1>she was already like one of the best women's workers

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>they had. And man, she's good. We had a and this,

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 1>by the way, this is also notable. Jackie asks Simon

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<v Speaker 1>what's up with Seth Rawlins and allegedly Seth had his

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<v Speaker 1>evaluation in Birmingham, and Paul claimed, we have no information,

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<v Speaker 1>and I now, I mean, listen, I don't have that

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<v Speaker 1>much inside information. But I will say I believe one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent that he has a minor knee injury. They

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<v Speaker 1>weren't the injury on Saturday Night's main event. He's getting

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<v Speaker 1>the minor knee injury taken care of. They're gonna lead

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<v Speaker 1>you to believe he's gonna be out nine months. He's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make a surprise return, maybe not as early as

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<v Speaker 1>Summer Slam, but significantly quote ahead of schedule, and the

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<v Speaker 1>way they did this segment right here, it was like

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<v Speaker 1>if he was legitimately injured on Saturday night and tore

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<v Speaker 1>his ACL and everything else, that they're kind of hinting

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<v Speaker 1>that he did. I mean, they don't have no information

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday, Paul isn't keeping it a secret and making

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<v Speaker 1>it come across like a total angle. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>I'm of the camp that he's mildly hurt and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back somewhat soon.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm also of the camp that this injury has

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<v Speaker 6>gotten a lot of speculation and a lot of buzz

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 6>and a lot of talk, and they're going to want

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<v Speaker 6>to keep that in the dark, to keep that buzz

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<v Speaker 6>and talk going no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we had the women's best of three falls match

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.399
<v Speaker 1>Lyra versus Bailey with the Winter getting Becky at SummerSlam,

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and the first match went a minute the first fall

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 1>and the first fall goes a minute and it's just

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 1>a cradle Bailey, Slappter and Pinder, and I was like,

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:39.439
<v Speaker 1>what a waste, Like I was already irritated, But then

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the second fall went ten minutes and the third fall

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 1>went I don't even know how long longer. But this

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 1>match was frickin' awesome. I mean, by the time they

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 1>got to the end, the place is going wild. The

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:58.720
<v Speaker 1>work is great, and the finish was so awesome as

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey had a thanks she got her in like the

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<v Speaker 1>crossface or whatever, and Lyra is fighting for these ropes

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 1>and she's fighting for these ropes and she's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make it and she's about to grab and Bailey does

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 1>a deal where she pushes off the ropes and does

0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:16.879
<v Speaker 1>a roll back into the move, but Lyra uses her

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 1>momentum to continue rolling to her feet and she hits

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a night wing and gets the pin clean pin. It's

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 1>her and Becky at SummerSlam. This was the best thing

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 1>on the show. It probably would have been. I think

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.399
<v Speaker 1>this was better in a three way at the Evolution show,

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 1>which was awesome. So this was great.

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<v Speaker 6>I enjoyed it too. I just don't like the inconsistency,

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:42.720
<v Speaker 6>especially on the same show, in that the other title

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.439
<v Speaker 6>match was kind of in a three way that Naomi won,

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 6>and the decision is we'll have another three way, and

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 6>this one they had a three way where one person won,

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 6>and they decided that the two challengers will have a

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:57.279
<v Speaker 6>single match to determine who's the single challenger. It's like,

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.239
<v Speaker 6>why too, completely different change of brains of thought for

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 6>the exact same scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, uh, really, the only thing I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about because we don't have time is the main event,

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>which was the Gauntlet match, and it didn't go an hour,

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.760
<v Speaker 1>went about forty five minutes, and uh, bron Breaker beat Penta,

0:44:15.920 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 1>bron Breaker beat La Night, bron Breaker beat jay Uso.

0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.320
<v Speaker 1>And then finally the last match, it's bron Breaker in

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>CM Punk and everybody tries to interfere your Bronson reads,

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:28.800
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera, and then jay Uso comes out

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and Punk ends up hitting the gts and winning. And

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<v Speaker 1>my two takeaways are number One, poor bron Breaker was freakin' exhausted.

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, dude, he's trying to do his sprinting spear

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and this guy can barely run. And the other point

0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:49.479
<v Speaker 1>is like the idea is, you know, this guy runs

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 1>a gauntlet to get a title shot. Ciampunk came in

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:56.600
<v Speaker 1>at the end against an exhausted guy and after interference one,

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<v Speaker 1>so like, if the idea was to get him over

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>big for Gun, I don't think this did it at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about Roman after the break Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 2>and Mike Simpervivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>So the raw show ended with all Roman reigns coming out,

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and he ran wild and they chanted O c OTC

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and they chanted his name and he ended up destroying

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Reed and Braun And I guess we have to find

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<v Speaker 1>out what he's doing at SummerSlam. Is it like Roman

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>and Bronson Reed? Is it Roman and bron Breaker? Who's

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<v Speaker 1>Roman facing?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, but they were singing his name, which

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<v Speaker 6>was weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they've done that before. They've they've done

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:55.839
<v Speaker 1>the Roman Reigns Roman Reigns song before. But I think

0:45:55.880 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 1>obviously it was probably I mean, Mike guess is because

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<v Speaker 1>whatever happened. Somebody asked like, well, if the seth injury

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<v Speaker 1>was a work, why did they have to redo the

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 1>last forty minutes of Saturday Night's the main event. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because if it was a work, they haven't told

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<v Speaker 1>anybody it was a work, like all the production people

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 1>and the other wrestlers. That's what I talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>other day. If people find out this whole thing was

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 1>a work. They're gonna be furious because everybody was under

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<v Speaker 1>the impression Saturday that he got hurt on that spot,

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<v Speaker 1>and they like had to scramble in the last forty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes to get the show back on track because I

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<v Speaker 1>was told there was something at the end of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>which I later heard was it was not a cash in,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was something planned for the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>show that didn't happen because of what happened with.

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<v Speaker 6>Set The rest of Goldberg's speech.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it could have been that, but what I actually

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<v Speaker 1>think it was was Seth probably was was gonna head

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 1>down to the ring or something, and Roman Reigns was

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna make his big return, and they were gonna do

0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Roman Reigns in Seth rollins at SummerSlam. So with set out,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's gonna be Roman and Braun or Roman and

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Bronson or something of that nature. But anyway, we're out

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<v Speaker 1>of time. Thank you, Lance. We'll see you over the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of days and I'll be back tonight. Brian

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<v Speaker 1>and Vinnie show Mid South Wrestling and More Wrestling Observer Live.

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