1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: The volume. This is prime cuts, the best of the 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Calling Coward podcast, And for God's sakes, do you know 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: how good you have to be to be the best 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: of my podcast? What a standard? This is a big week. 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Legendary former NFL GM Bill Polian gives us the most 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: important thing he looks for in a player. Cowboys writer 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Matt Moseley was awesome. He tells you what he didn't 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: like about the Cowboys draft, and there was a lot. 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Colt CM Chris Boaldard comes on and talks why he 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: believes Carson Wentz will return to that MVP level and 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: UCLA head coach Chip Kelly unique perspective on the game, 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: NFL and college. But first, my top takes of the week. 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: So Terry Bradshaw got some Twitter heat because he came 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: on my show The Herd and he said, I wouldn't 15 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: coddle Aaron Rodgers. I wouldn't baby him. I just forced 16 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: him to play, which, by the way, Green Bay can 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: do and it may be the best remedy for at 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: least one year because the salary cap dead money hit 19 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: would be so punitive if they moved him. The reality 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: here is Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a no trade clause. 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: They can send him largely wherever they want. To me, 22 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: the place that makes a lot of sense isn't Denver. 23 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: It's New York. The Giants have two first round picks 24 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: next year, two third round picks, and two fourth round picks. 25 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: So Green Bay could get a first, a third, and 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: a fourth just next year and it wouldn't damage the 27 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: Giants rebuild, and it would absolutely help the Packers rebuild. 28 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm more of a rip the band aid off guy 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: to me. I'd rather just move on fast. But it 30 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily make great sense for the Packers and it 31 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: doesn't make great sense for the Giants. I think you 32 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,559 Speaker 1: can make this move at the trading deadline in October 33 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: next year. You don't have to make it now, and 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: you don't have to make it before the season, nor 35 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: do you have to wait until after the season. Let's 36 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: see if Daniel Jones can play. If he starts off 37 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: six and one, eliminates the turnovers. He's young, he's cheap, 38 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 1: he's athletic, and he's winning. So green Bay moves off 39 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: Aaron would have their own first and two other firsts. 40 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: The Packers historically pretty good at drafting and developing That 41 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: also gives Jordan Love another six seven eight weeks Ota 42 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: exhibition season camp, seven eight weeks behind Aaron Rodgers. If 43 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: Jordan Loves not quite ready, give him six or seven 44 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: weeks watching Aaron play for the Packers. I don't give 45 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: grades on the draft, and my feeling on this has 46 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: always been I don't consider the draft in itself gradable. 47 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm wrong enough. I think when something can be proven 48 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: wrong over and over and over and over again, then 49 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: I stop believing in it. If my Blazing five was 50 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: wrong under fifty percent every year, I'd stop doing it. 51 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: But like fourteen of the last fifteen years, it's been 52 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: over five hundred, about fifty three to fifty six percent, 53 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: So I keep doing it. The grading system is mostly nonsense. 54 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: What I do, and I'll do this on Fox Sports 55 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: One and Fox Sports Radio, is that I'll take your 56 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: top three free agent moves and combine it with your 57 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: top two or three picks, and that gives you a 58 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: much better hit rate. Who really had a great draft, 59 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: but trying to guess your fourth, fifth, six, seventh round picks, 60 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: nobody knows. I mean, take New England, Yeah, I think 61 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Mac Jones. It's going to take a couple of games 62 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: against Josh Allen and you're gonna realize you don't have 63 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: a twenty twenty one athlete at quarterback. So if he 64 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: doesn't work, how good of a draft is it? Same 65 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: with Chicago justin fields. If he doesn't hit. I think 66 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: he will with Matt Naggie. But if he doesn't, how 67 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: can you give that draft an A plus? Everybody's like 68 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Bears a plus. You don't know, you won't know for 69 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: two years. Kansas City's not getting viewed as a great draft, 70 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: but they literally rebuilt their offensive line with two elite 71 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: players on the left side well for Andy Reid and 72 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. That will have a significantly greater impact than 73 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: probably any drafted player over the weekend. So if you 74 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: take the rebuild of the offensive line for the Chiefs 75 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: and combine it with their first two three picks, boom 76 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: is a great offseason for Kansas City. All right, let's 77 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: bring on Chip Kelly, UCLA head coach. Big year for him. 78 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: It's almost like you were before your time in the NFL. 79 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: Do you look at some of the poll nation kind 80 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: of of college football into the NFL now and think, 81 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I was about eight years ahead of it. 82 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: You know, if and I've said this before, but if 83 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: you weren't in the room with Amos, Alonzo Stag and 84 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 1: Newt Rockne when they invented this game, then you stole 85 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: it from somebody else. You know. So Dutch Myers, who 86 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: was the head coach at TCU in the fifties, was 87 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: running empty no backs. You know, when no one talks 88 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: about it. You know, everybody talks about when we got 89 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: to Oregon and we're running up tempo. And know Huw 90 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: sam Weish was doing that in the NFL with the 91 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Angles, you know, and and Marv Levy was doing 92 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: it with the Buffalo Bills in the ke gun, you know. 93 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: So it's it's cyclical. I think it's just trying to 94 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: figure out what applies the game itself. I think that 95 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: at the next level has turned into more of a 96 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: spread out game because people have realized the athletes are 97 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: so good, we better get them in space. You know, 98 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: the days of Buddy Ryan was ahead his game because 99 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: he ran the forty six defense. Everybody was in two 100 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: back and you couldn't run the ball. You know, when 101 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: they had those monsters up front, was singletary behind them 102 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: and they played press man on your two receivers and 103 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: you couldn't get off. So how do you combat those 104 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: defenses that are all in the box because we got 105 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: to spread people out, And that's where I think the 106 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: college spread out game has kind of moved to the 107 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: professional level. And there are some guys, you know, Andy 108 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: Reid's a great example. You know, you look what Sean 109 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: Payton's doing with two quarterbacks and he's got a Hall 110 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback and Drew Brees and he takes out 111 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: of the game sometimes so Taysom Hill can play. You know, 112 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: it's I think everybody's still evolving and that's the fun. 113 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of similarities. It used 114 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: to be really different where college I think ten twelve 115 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: years ago was one way. In the NFL was different. 116 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: But I really think there's a lot of there's a 117 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of carry over from both 118 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: now when you sped the tempo up collegiately. I remember 119 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: Nick Saban one time told me privately, he said, I 120 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: don't I think I can say it now. We were 121 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 1: up in Bristol and he said, you know, my concern 122 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: about this. He goes the officials, the game is so fast. 123 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: He goes in the Auburn game, and he didn't want 124 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: to say this because Auburn beat him. He goes, there 125 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: were eleven miss calls on both sides. He goes, though 126 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: the officials were just not in place. He goes, the 127 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: athletes will figure out the speed, so will the coaches. 128 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure fifty nine year old officials can. When 129 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: you were speeding up the tempo, and there were guys 130 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: like Saban that said, I'm not sure football is meant 131 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: to be played this fast. Did you see that as 132 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: just kind of proprietary I'm protecting my program or were 133 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: there concerns out there that were legit? Now I think 134 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: it was proprietary. You know. The two biggest and there's 135 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: two great coaches at the time were Nick Saban and 136 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: Brett Dilema. But look at what they ran offensively, you know, 137 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: and I would in the same way, like, well, why 138 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: can't we play fast because I think you should play fast. Well, 139 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: we played fast as an equalizer, So how do we 140 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: tire out an see defensive alignment because we're not going 141 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: to be able to line up one on one and 142 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: knock him off the ball. So everybody comes with it 143 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: with a little bit jaded And you've got to give 144 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: Nick credit. And that's why he may be the greatest 145 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: ever do this game, is he has evolved and now 146 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: he does it all. You know, the things he didn't 147 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: like he's doing. You know, he was a guy didn't 148 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: like RPOs. They may be the best in the country 149 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: at RPOs, you know, And so when you look at it, 150 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: that's what makes him such a great coach because he's 151 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: constantly evolving. But I think a lot of that when 152 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: you're worried. You know, we all want, if you want 153 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: to win an argument, how do I get as much 154 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: fodder on one side to the other. You know, let's 155 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: let's play to the referees. We can't get the referees 156 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: on our side, and they'll they'll make the game slow 157 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: down a little bit. But Nick's always looking for an 158 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: advantage and he's really done. You look at what they've 159 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: done and civil and where they are. You know, you 160 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: could argue that their wide receiver, you now, which ten 161 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: years ago you wouldn't have said that, But now you 162 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: look at the white outs that they've turned out in 163 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: the last couple of years and you're like, holy smokes. 164 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: But they're doing such a good job with it because 165 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: I think he's evolved with it. But yeah, I can 166 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,719 Speaker 1: see him saying that because at that time, it was 167 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: a run the ball guy, and let's play great defense. 168 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: Now it's it's almost you've got to get a stop 169 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: or two in each half and then see if if 170 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: you can continue rolling on offense, you know, then you're 171 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: good to go, you know. And that's really what the 172 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: game has turned into. The reason I think Saban's the 173 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: best college coach I've ever seen is not simply because 174 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: of winning, but what hurt Mac Brown, Bobby Bowden, Pete 175 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: Carroll and Urban and Florida that it's transient at the 176 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: coaching level. That Pete kept losing coordinator after coordinator, and 177 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I remember him telling me once in his office, I'm 178 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: recruiting coaches as often as I'm recruiting defensive ends. Saban 179 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: has lost really high in assistance and just keeps reloading. 180 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: I find that it fascinating. Um, I don't maybe he's 181 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: so connected. I mean, just take me to that. The 182 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: difficulty in losing coaches and having to find good ones 183 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: that are often better than the previous one. I mean, 184 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: that's I don't think he gets enough credit for you know, 185 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: and I think he developed the analysts off the role, 186 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: off the field role um that no one really had, 187 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: and then turned it into a real almost like a 188 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: landing spot. You know, when you look at that, just 189 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: who's been an analyst at at Alabama, it's it's a 190 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: who's who. It's it's Sark, it's Mike Locksley, it's Butch Jones, 191 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: it's Mike Stoops at The list goes on and on. 192 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: So he also has a bullpen of guys so that 193 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: when a guy leaves, he may have the guy already 194 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: on staff. So the transition for him is the offense 195 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: and defense and terminology doesn't change. He's not bringing in 196 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: a new guy that brings in his offense or his defense. 197 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: He's still running it the way he wants to run it. Um. 198 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: He did it with Kith Lane, started off as as 199 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: an analyst, and then he promoted Lane when he lost guys. 200 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: So he's got a unique system. And I think that 201 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: that unlike anybody else. Um, you know, we only four analysts, 202 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: and they're they're low paying jobs and they're all real 203 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: level jobs. You know, we don't have what they have. 204 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: But it's he set that up because I think he 205 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 1: was he was really conscious of that, is that you're 206 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: gonna lose coaches, So what do I do to come 207 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: back that? You know, he's he's got an answer for 208 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: everything that I think you can look at and say, hey, 209 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: this is what we The next big hurdle is gonna 210 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: be Laart how do I handle that? And I think 211 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: you hit it? Hit it right on? Is his ability 212 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: to replace coaches has been been phenomenal, you know, and 213 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: almost like the next guy comes in is better than 214 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: the guy that left, and the guy that left was 215 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: really good. The single greatest player you've ever coached, that's 216 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: a great question, I would say. You know, from a 217 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: talent standpoint, Jason Peters at in Philadelphia was as good 218 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: at tackle at that's ever played the game. Um personal 219 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 1: fai was Darren Sprowles, you know, he was it. You 220 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: meet Darren Sprowls and you're like wow, like that's an 221 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: NFL player, and then watch him for five minutes in 222 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: practice Colin and you're like wow, like that's what's so special. 223 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: We were in a walkthrough. He took a handoff and 224 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: it was Ota rules and you can't do anything. There's 225 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: so many rules in the off season. What you can do, 226 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: I can't do when he's sprinted. And I was like, Baron, 227 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: it's it's walk through, you can't sprint. And he was like, 228 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: I haven't lasted this long in the NFL by not sprinting, 229 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: So I'm a sprint I said, all right, everybody else 230 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: walked there and run full speed, and and just and 231 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: everybody just you just watched him. I don't know anybody 232 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: that's ever practiced as hard as he's ever practiced. And 233 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: when you look at his career, got played thirteen years 234 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, and it's he's as tough 235 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: as they come, he's as gracious as they come, he's 236 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: as competitive as they come. And he could do it all. 237 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: He could return, he could carry the football, he could 238 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: catch them all coming out of the backfield, and he 239 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: was just he was just an amazing guy to be 240 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: around on a daily basis. But you know, those two 241 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: guys kind of jump out just because of you know, 242 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: obviously he'sn just because of how athletic a guy at 243 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: that size, and I mean he's really a Hall of 244 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: Fame type tackle. You know, to be around someone I 245 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: remember and moved the first time and I was like, 246 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: holy smokes, is I can't believe how athletic this guy is, 247 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, And there was and it's there was a 248 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: ton of others, you know, coach and Marcus, you know, 249 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: a good guy won the Heisman Trophy and Marcus Mariota 250 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: and what an amazing athlete. And how quick he processed things, 251 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, the ability to run, how accuracy was his 252 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: ability to process things. You know, he was a special player. 253 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: There was There was a bunch of really good players 254 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 1: that I had an opportunity to coach with that we 255 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: bring in. Chris Ballard used to work for the Bears 256 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: as their director of pro scouting, then hooked up with 257 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: Andy Reid in Kansas City. He was the director of 258 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: their football operations and is now the very successful general 259 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: manager of the Indianapolis Colts. Carson Wentz to me, has 260 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: more of an Andrew luck personality than a Peyton Manning personality, 261 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: or a certainly more than a Philip Rivers personality. That's 262 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: what it looked. That's what it feels like to me, 263 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: a little understated, not as verbal, bright kid. What did 264 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: you know about his personality before you got him in 265 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: the room. Well, I mean, look I've got a guy 266 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: that coached him for two years when was a part 267 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: of the process of drafting him, so that that was 268 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: a real advantage. And then his college coach was Craig 269 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: Bowle who's now at University of Wyoming, who recruited me 270 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: to University of Wisconsin, so I had an inside there 271 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: into who he was. And then North Dakota State also, 272 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, still had some coaches there that were connected 273 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: with But at the end of the day, Frank and 274 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: I just have a lot of trust and Frank, I mean, 275 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: this guy, our head coach, is outstanding Colin. I mean, 276 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: he gets it. He played in the league for fourteen years. 277 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: He's brilliant, smart, he's got great emotional intelligence. I mean 278 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was the one. Like Coachree always thought 279 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: had high level emotional intelligence. And I think most great 280 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: leaders have high level emotional intelligence. And I think Frank 281 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: does too. And he's just got a great way about him. Um, 282 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, dealing with the quarterback position, so you know 283 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: his insight. And then when you watch the tape, there's 284 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: a lot of good tape on Carson Wentz. I mean 285 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: I say this all I mean, I've said this a 286 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: few times Colin. But quarterbacks like you wish all of 287 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: them came into the league and just lit the league 288 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: up and never had any struggles. But there's there's a 289 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: point when they got to stand on the abyss and 290 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: not jump, and you know that's we can't let Carson jump. 291 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: And I don't think Frank Willum he didn't play good 292 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: last year. I think Carson Carson admits that he didn't 293 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: play good last year. I mean I don't and I 294 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: think Carson would tell you the same thing that you know, 295 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: don't don't put the blame on everybody else. I mean, 296 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: we all had our hands in you know what happened, 297 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, back in you know, last year in Philly 298 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. You know, he was a part of that. 299 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean we still can't see the good 300 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: and the greatness of what's in him. And we believe 301 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: it's in there, and we believe, you know that over 302 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: time we'll get him to play at that level again. 303 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: For as steady as the Colts have been since you've 304 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: been here, you have had two of the toughest moments 305 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: in the league as a GM. You have a coach 306 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: he backs out. Thank God, you have a great backup plan. 307 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: And then Andrew Luck retires and these are like, they 308 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: don't happen. This isn't stuff you go to college for. 309 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: You don't Andy Reid smart. He can't teach you that 310 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: the moment of the Andrew Luck thing that night, did 311 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: you sleep? Can I just ask you? Did you sleep 312 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: that night? So I cared deeply about Andrew still do, 313 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: still very close with him, and like a player's health 314 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: and well being long term, it's it's important to us. 315 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: It's important to me. I can't like I can't operate. Look, 316 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: I look, we're judged by our wins and losses. That 317 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: that's that's how we're judged. And but on the flip 318 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: side of that, I like I cannot get not be 319 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: emotionally tied. That's just who I am. Like, I can't 320 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: change who I am. So I was extremely close with 321 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: Andrew So I understood, like I understood, Did I did? 322 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: I like it? Absolutely not. I got this beautiful quarterback 323 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: that is just you know, he's a top two or 324 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: three guy in the league. And you know, we're about 325 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: there and we think we got a really good, freaking 326 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: young team and about to freaking take off, and we 327 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: get thrown a curveball. Well, that's just that's life. I'm 328 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: explaining it to my children and telling them that, you 329 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: know what, nobody cares about the problem. All they care 330 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: about is if you try to if you fix it. 331 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: That's that's what our league's about. Now. Did I have 332 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: some moments where you know, I'll tell you this, cod 333 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: I never had a moment where I felt sorry for myself, 334 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: and I never had a moment where I let the 335 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: organization feel sorry for themselves. We were gonna just keep 336 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: moving forward and problem solve and try to fix the problem. 337 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: And that's all you can do. I mean, it just 338 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: works out. If you just keep working at this and 339 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: keep doing things the right way, it's gonna work out. 340 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of that's. Problems happen, you gotta 341 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: fix them, keep moving forward. So let's bring in my 342 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: friend Bill Polian GM of the Bills Panthers Cults, super 343 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: Bowl champion, ind six time NFL exactly the year Pro 344 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame inductee about five years ago, and 345 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: somebody I've relied on for years, almost strangely as a mentor, 346 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: even though we don't see each other in person, but 347 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: I've taken his advice for years. One of the gms 348 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: I talked to was not going to draft a player 349 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: who's talented out of Iowa. And he went to an 350 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: NFC team and he just said, you know, we're not 351 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: there's a character risk there and we're not gonna go 352 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: how many players because there are some players that are 353 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: red flag players. If you really loved a guy's talent, 354 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: what was your how did you win Bill Parcels if 355 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: I recall, was a guy that he he was going 356 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: to clean a locker room up, He wasn't gonna he 357 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of tolerance for you know, nonsense 358 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: and character issues. How did you view that? If you 359 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: really had a player, you loved him, and you thought, 360 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: you know what, kids make mistakes? I mean, how did 361 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: you view that stuff? Well, first and foremost we were 362 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: exactly like Bill, because Coach Levy, who taught me about 363 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: the business, was exactly like that, and so was Tony Dungeon. 364 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: So character was a disqualified Bad character was a disqualifier 365 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: for us. So then you go to the next question, 366 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: which you correctly pose, is what makes up bad character? Well, 367 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: everybody makes mistakes, and so let's use the most obvious one. 368 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: Marijuana use. If it's a one or two time thing, okay. 369 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: If the guy's been clean awhile and there's no issue, 370 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: and we hear from the school and others that there's 371 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: no issue, then we're okay. We didn't used to be okay. 372 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: That's changed as time has gone on. But if a player, 373 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: and I think I know the player you're talking about, 374 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: if a player is not a good team, if he's disruptive, 375 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: if he does not work hard, if he's not trustworthy, 376 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: if he's not a good citizen, if he's a person 377 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: who was on the wrong side of the law far 378 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: too often, then he's off the board, regardless of talent. 379 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: And I often tell the story when I speak to 380 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: scouts or others in the football community. My first year 381 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: with the Colts, mister Arsay had a good friend who 382 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: who was a you know, a really knowledgeable guy. He 383 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: followed the draft, so he came along with mister Arthsay 384 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: to look at the board on Thursday. In those days, 385 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: the draft began Friday, I think, and or Saturday maybe, 386 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: and he looked at the dnd list on the on 387 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: the sideboard. He said d NDC, which meant through not 388 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: draft character and he said, holy back, we'll look at 389 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: there's there's a good team up there. What are you 390 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: guys doing? And Jim said to him, leave him alone. 391 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: They know what they're doing, right, And it turned out 392 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: most of the guys that were on that list didn't 393 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: do well. Bill, When I mean, it's obviously Jerry Jones 394 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: always had a little greater opinion of his draft knowledge, 395 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: perhaps than reality. But he's not the only owner who 396 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: thinks that. But he's the most notable and most public 397 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: in your years. I would guess you would not have 398 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: tolerated that or you would have moved on. But was 399 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: there ever a moment? I mean, these billionaires aren't dummies 400 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: that an owner did say something to you pre draft, 401 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: pre free agency, kind of a macro opinion that you 402 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you know these guys are from thirty thousand 403 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: feet that an owner said something to you. You know, Bill, 404 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to get involved with your players, but 405 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: just I want you to consider this. Is that a 406 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: real conversation that ever happened to you and an owner 407 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: with between you and an owner? Yeah, absolutely, I'll tell 408 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: you the story. It's a great story. Again, the Thursday 409 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: before the draft comes in and out that Jim is. 410 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: First of all, Jim Ris is very knowledge of energy 411 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: and kind of the most knowledgeable owner in terms of 412 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: pure football. And he did watch film and he knew 413 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: what he was looking at, and during the whole process 414 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: he would stay hands off. Occasionally he'd asked me a 415 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: question about a player or two, where you know, what's 416 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: the story with the injury? Why is this guy? Why 417 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: did he not play well? You know, he was going 418 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: through the process on his own and uh. And so 419 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: we get in the draft room and we explained to 420 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: him that we have a defensive end from Colorado that 421 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: we like very much and and we have Dallas Clark, 422 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: and the choice is going to be between those two. 423 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: And if we get there, you know, tomorrow Tony and 424 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: I are going to have to you know, we still 425 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: have to talk this out. So Tony says, you know, 426 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: I really like the defensive end because they can do 427 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: this and this and this. And I said, you know, 428 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: I kind of leaned toward Dallas Clark because I think 429 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: he gives our offense a dimension that it does and 430 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: have now he's at once in kind of a every 431 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: ten years type of tight end, not unlike the kid 432 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: that went to Atlanta. So Jim says, well, okay, you know, 433 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: I trust you guys. I know you'll talk it out 434 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: and you'll make the right decision you always do. I 435 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: trust you completely. So he got up to leave the room, 436 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: and he turned around. He said, you know, if it 437 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: were me, I take Dallas Clark. And we all broke up, 438 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: and Tony said, well, I guess I know we're taken now, 439 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: all right, I bring in my buddy, Matt Mosley, longtime 440 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys columnist. He's written for the Dallas Morning News, 441 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: one of the great American newspapers. You know, they're all 442 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: hanging on by a thread, but that's one of the 443 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: good ones. ESPN dot Com, Fox Sports dot Com, The 444 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: Doomsday Podcast, The Matt Mosley Show, ESPN in Dallas. I 445 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: may hire him someday for the volume, but we have 446 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: a limited budget and he's expensive as hell. So he's 447 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: out there eating chicken fried steak every Saturday night. I 448 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: can't afford this guy. He's rolling the big dough. Give 449 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: me the rundown of the division. I'd go Washington first, 450 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: Philly last, and then I think the Giants and the 451 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys battled for a wild card spot potentially your thoughts. Well, 452 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: I think you're I don't know. This guy is a weirdo. 453 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: It seems like when I see him talk the new 454 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: coach the Eagles. M So I kind of agree with 455 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: you there the quarterback thing, I probably And maybe it's 456 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: because I've watched so much Big twelve and I think 457 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: that guy is a huge winner. Like he's a guy 458 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: that likes to carry people and suddenly he has a weapon, 459 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: is a big time weapon with him that he knows 460 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: a little bit. So I would say the Eagles, I 461 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: have a little higher than you do. I might even 462 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: sneak the Eagles up into the two spot. I really would. 463 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: And the Giants. Here's the thing. I don't like the 464 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: Giants quarterback. They're stuck with this guy seemingly forever and 465 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: he everybody's like a Danny Dimes whatever. Yeah, this is 466 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: a weird I mean I don't think I think he's third. 467 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: I think the Giants or third, and maybe now Redskins 468 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: third and the Giants for now. Who does that leave, Oh, 469 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: my goodness, the Dallas Cowboys. And what it leaves us 470 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: with is a rough another rough division, another division. Now 471 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: what the Cowboys are hoping you know every year it's 472 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: if nobody gets hurt, we could have we could have greatness, 473 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: and then of course all the offensive linemen get hurt 474 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: and everything goes to hell. I would just say they 475 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: got faster, they got some speed. But I'm telling you, Colin, 476 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: I've been I've looked at these things before. When you 477 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: are counting on third round in fourth round players being 478 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: starters right away, it works for some franchises. It doesn't 479 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: always work for these guys. And that's what they were 480 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: trying to do. I mean they're they're literally needing and 481 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: you know what they're telling you, what Stephen and Jerry 482 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: are telling you, is we don't have the money. We 483 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: just signed this quarterback. And you do a great job 484 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: of talking about contract stuff. You understand all that they 485 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: just put a huge amount of money in one position. 486 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: And what they said leading into this draft almost like 487 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: an NBA team or something. We got to hit on 488 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: all of these guys and this is the future of 489 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: our defense. So who do they have, Like, who's their 490 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: big stud on defense? Thank Lawrence, and then name me 491 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: another one. You gotta have it be Parsons. Suddenly you 492 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: need your number twelve overall pick to be your second 493 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: best defensive player. Who's the leader? Vander Esk stay healthy, 494 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: Jaalo Smith is just kind of he's not very good. 495 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: Who is your leader? Other than you got Tank Lawrence. 496 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: You got everybody kind of either retiring or heading out. 497 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: This is a rough So this is and you've said 498 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: it before, this is a team that needs to go 499 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: out and score thirty five and forty points a game. Yeah. Well, 500 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean I think Dak this morning is the best quarterback. 501 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: If Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jalen Hurts, and Danny Dimes are at 502 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: the good news is you got a super Bowl winning coach, 503 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: You have the best arguably best skill old people in 504 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: the division. You got the best quarterback. I mean, you know, 505 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have paid Dak forty million, but in the end, 506 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: I think he's the best, most reliable quarterback. Your time 507 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: of possession goes up. I think Dallas is Washington defensively, 508 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: Dallas offensively. You're gonna battle to the end for a 509 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: playoff spot. 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