1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know stories of 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer to. Okay, it's 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: up Thinking Sideways. The podcast I'm I'm Devin, joined as 4 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: usual by Steve and Joe. Yeah, here we are. I 5 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: get things for joining us again or joining us new, 6 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: whichever you are, here's our podcast. I hope you like it. 7 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: Of course it will. It's like a school project. We're 8 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: going to hop right into it. Uh. This week's story 9 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: is kind of like something you only see in movies. 10 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: It really is a movie story, movie movie tails, so 11 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: kind of they're kind of like embellished it quite a 12 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: bit and made Oceans eleven. They added like ten guys, 13 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of suspense, a lot of gear and 14 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So. Bill Brennan, thirty four, had been 15 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: working as a cashier at the Stardust Casino in Las 16 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Vegas for about four years when on September twenty two, 17 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: he left work either for the end of the day 18 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: or for lunch, yeah, in the early morning hours, never 19 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: to be seen again. Yeah. And I guess what makes 20 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: this day even more unusual is that when he left, 21 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: he left with a backpack or duffel bag stuffed with 22 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: half a million dollars in cash and chips. He just 23 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: walked out. Um, nobody questioned him. He actually missed all 24 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: of the CCTV cameras cameras, thank you. Yeah, without a trace, 25 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: just gone. Probably worth mentioning that a half million dollars 26 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: is equivalent to eight hundred and forty seven thousand, six 27 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five dollars and two cents in today's money. Wow, 28 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: that was very good man to get the two cents 29 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. I did it on the top of 30 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: my head. It's been hitting as harder than I thought. Yeah, 31 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: sure has This is the biggest quote successful robbery in 32 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: the history of Vegas. Also compounded by the fact that 33 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: it was carried out by one man, ostensibly one person. 34 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: Not many people actually win that well at Vegas, so 35 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: he actually he's one of the few winners. Yeah. I 36 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: support this thing because he uh yeah, he's using canine. 37 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: There's just such a big rip off. Yeah, so good 38 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, worked there for four years. I don't 39 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: know what, you know, finally broken but something maybe it 40 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: was the penny slots Ben. Yeah, so let's start talking 41 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 1: about Bill first. I'm talking about Bill. Then we're gonna 42 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: talk about the heist, then we're gonna talk about some 43 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: mother stuff. Bill was apparently kind of a loner. He 44 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: lived alone with his cat in an apartment with his cat, 45 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: with his cat. Do I remember correctly that everybody knew 46 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: he had a cat because he was one of those 47 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: cat guys who always talked about his cat. Yeah, he 48 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: loved his cat. He loved his cat. Was his cat 49 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: called Mr Snuggles? Do we know what his cat was called? 50 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: I never saw it in the reading. I was hoping 51 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: somebody else maybe it could be. Maybe it could be 52 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: Mr Snuggles. For all we know, it might be. His 53 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: apartment manager said that he was quote just a nice kid. 54 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: There are a lot of interviews around this, by the way. Yeah, however, 55 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: apparently Bill got a little mixed up with a big 56 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: time gambler or maybe a bookie or maybe a better 57 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: All of the stories conflict. Yeah, I've heard a couple 58 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: of versions of that. I've seen those. Yeah, and Bill 59 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: went from a promising, quote good kid to a problem. 60 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: His bosses started to take notice. This uh debtor that 61 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: he was hanging out with was a quote shady character 62 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: unquote so shady in fact that he apparently also disappeared. 63 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: Within a few months after Bill disappeared, Bill had made 64 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: it clear to his bosses that he really wanted to 65 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: work his way up through the casino. He was lobbying 66 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: to be a supervisor, but his boss was pretty leary 67 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: and said, oh, where what's the quote? With his quote, 68 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: with his change and attitude, I couldn't put in charge 69 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: of all that money. According to many co workers, Bill 70 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: was also reading books like how to Change your Identity, 71 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: how to hide dead bodies, So apparently people were noticing 72 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: that he was having a change in behavior. But I 73 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: guess no what he thought that there would be a 74 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: heist of any kind. In fact, the head of security 75 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: at the time was like shocked, apparently baffled. What. I 76 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: don't remember what did he do? Do you remember? What 77 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: was his job? He was a cashier, so he was 78 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: the guy that you wouldn't exchange your chips with. Okay, okay, 79 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: which is why he had access to all that money. Okay, 80 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: that that makes sense. I was just making sure he 81 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: wasn't a dealer or something. No, no, And actually that's 82 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: that's a great question. The heist is kind of a 83 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: work of pure simple genius in a way, stuff in 84 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: the bag and walk out. Nobody really knows what happened. 85 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of it, right, is that he 86 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: wasn't caught on camera leaving. Nobody really saw him leaving. 87 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: He was a cashier, so he did have access to 88 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: the money, as we just said. But people in those 89 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: positions are usually like padded down, their bags are checked 90 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: things like that when they leave work, no matter what 91 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: their position is or how long I've been in that position. 92 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Was that the procedure though in the early nineties, I 93 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: know that is today. I think cameras are everywhere, but 94 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's been procedure for a long time 95 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: that I can see that, and it makes total sense. 96 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: I just I know that things in the casino were 97 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: much different in the seventies and eighties and bleeding into 98 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: the nineties. So I just wondered if maybe they weren't 99 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: as security conscious as they should have been with employees 100 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: that they knew. Well, it's actually very interesting point I'd 101 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: like to talk about in a little bit in terms 102 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: of trust with the casinos in the seventies, eighties, and nineties. Yeah. Absolutely, 103 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: we're getting to it. Okay, Okay, So the fact that 104 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: he didn't get patted down or checked or anything like 105 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: that has led to a lot of speculation that he 106 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: had an accomplice in the security department who allowed him 107 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: to just leave without checking his bag or ant him 108 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: down or anything. And that would make sense also because 109 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: he successfully missed all the cameras, although it seems like 110 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: that would be not so hard if you'd worked there 111 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: for four years. But also, cameras are in casinos are 112 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: meant to catch everything, so yeah, they I mean, if 113 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: he'd worked there that long, he knows where the cameras are. 114 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: And the cameras aren't comprehensive. They don't cover every square 115 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: foot of territory. Well, and I remember reading somewhere on 116 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: some forum somebody had put up the fact that, yeah, 117 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I knew where the cameras were, and they don't actually cover, 118 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: as Joe said, every square inch. So it is possible 119 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: if you knew where they were to plan your route, Well, 120 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: you could could just walk through and not look out 121 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: of place. You were, you know, doing the uh the 122 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: mission impossible, duck and dive left and right, kind of 123 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: following a little serpentine path out the door. Yeah, of 124 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: course there's actolutely there's really no reason for him to 125 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: try to even avoid the cameras. I mean, so what 126 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: they go back to the tape and they see him 127 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: walking out, and that's not going to enable them to 128 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: catch him. That that's actually interesting and it brings up 129 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: a really interesting point is that I wasn't able to 130 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: find anywhere how they knew that it was him that 131 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: stole all the money and chips, right, Because if they 132 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: never found him and they didn't have him on TV 133 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: walking out, I would assume that the only thing that 134 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: happened is that somebody said, oh, yeah, I saw him 135 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: walking out of here with a bag, but like he 136 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: would have a bag anyways. And also then that person 137 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: was saying, yeah, I let him walk out of here 138 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: with a bag and I didn't check it. You know 139 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: that That's another layer of weird complex mystery around this 140 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: whole thing, is like, how do we even know for 141 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: sure that he did this? That's true, I mean, they 142 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: deduce set from the fact that he want he left, 143 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: he left work and never came back. But yeah, I 144 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: suppose I supposing you wanted to do something like that, 145 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: you wanted to steal this money and keep your job, 146 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: and you're willing to kill somebody. So after he leaves 147 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: where you you you, you know, sneak out with all 148 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: this money, and then you go over to his his 149 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: apartment and you invite about for a drink, and then 150 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: you murder him and bury his bodies somewhere on the desert, 151 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: and he gets, you know, he gets to wrap for it. 152 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: How long after he left, whether it be for lunch 153 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: or the end of his shift, do you know, because 154 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: I don't remember in the reading, how long was it 155 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: after that he disappeared that they realized the cash was gone. Yeah, 156 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't too long. I mean, I think that that 157 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: must be the way, right that, like somebody went to 158 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: go cash him out and realized you're missing like a 159 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: half a million dollars, dude, that's not so within hours, 160 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah it was, and they you know, all of the 161 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: stories say that the police rushed to his apartment, where 162 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: neither he nor his cat were to be found. That's right, 163 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: Stuggles was gone. The others suggest that this mystery, like 164 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: Big Better or Yeah the Skis, was Bill's accomplice. And 165 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of allusions to this guy, allusions, but 166 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: nobody ever names names, so you can't go out and 167 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: do research on this, like mysterious shady character who also disappeared, 168 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: who also disappeared, But they're not willing to say, like 169 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: it was this dude who disappeared, and theoretically that guy 170 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: is made up. Maybe probably if if nobody's ever named 171 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: names and there's just interviews, he was hanging out with 172 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: this shady guy who bet in the casino all the time, 173 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: you don't know if that guy actually existed. So actually 174 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I want to talk about the Stardust for 175 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: a minute, the history of the Stardust. This is because 176 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: this this connects pretty well with the whole It would 177 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: help explain why people are a little hesitant to name 178 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: names of some big, better, shady character sort of thing. 179 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: It's very true. So it turns out the Stardust has 180 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: some really strong mob connections. Yeah, I know it did 181 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: back in the day. Anyway, I'm not sure it still does. 182 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: We'll find out. This is Vegas, of course, of course. 183 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: In fact, I wanna I want to talk about the mob, 184 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: and let's talk about Jimmy Hoffa. You know Jimmy. You 185 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: know Jimmy Hoffa. Something we got to talk about Jimmy. Yeah, 186 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, he did disappear. Yeah we will be. Yeah, 187 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: we will be. I've been thinking about that one actually 188 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 1: for a while. And actually, yes, I freely admit we're 189 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: diverging from the story at hand for a minute, but 190 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: just bear with me. It's going to tie in, I promise. 191 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: Jimmy Hoffa, as you may or may not know, was 192 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: the driving force in the Union's UH and Teamsters kind 193 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: of movement in the fifties and sixties. In addition to this, 194 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: he was also heavily involved with the Mob, mostly Chicago, 195 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: but also in Kentucky and Kansas City. Kansas City. Kansas 196 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: City was kind of a big mom headquarters. Turns out 197 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: soon they're early sixties. Haffa, being a nice dude, loaned 198 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: six point seven million dollars via a secret deal with 199 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Teamsters to one Mr Alan to purchase 200 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: the Stardust Hotel. Gets for that, Yeah, we're getting to it. 201 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: We're getting to it. That means, I guess to clarify 202 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: that in effect, for a while at least, the Mob 203 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: legitimately owned the Stardust Hotel. Not only that, but they 204 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: were getting these kickbacks. And I just want to go 205 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: ahead and remind everybody. This is the sixties and the 206 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: seventies that we're talking about here. So when we talk 207 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: about millions, that's back when a million bucks was actually 208 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: worth something. Was you know, when being a millionaire was 209 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: actually something that's like mind blowing. All Right, we're gonna 210 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: talk about this little story shoot off here with a 211 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: man named Frank Lefty Rosenthal. Lefty, he started working at 212 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: the Stardust in two He's also got a strong mob connection, 213 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: and he basically takes over the place. It turns out 214 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: he and Glick were not pals. They butted heads a lot. 215 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: Lefty was kind of a bad dude. He was a jerk. 216 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: In the late nineteen seventies, the Nevada Gaming Commission rated 217 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: the Stardust Hotels counting room and uncovered a skim on 218 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: slot machines that was worth uh seven million dollars in 219 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: a year. Now do you by skim do you mean 220 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: that's that's money just giving off the top. That's unreported. 221 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: Lefty was solely responsible for that. The Gaming Commission struggled 222 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: for years with Lefty. They really wanted to Okay, they 223 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: wanted to kick him out for I mean obvious reasons. 224 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: Right He wasn't kicking back money too. He wasn't. In 225 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies six, they denied his application for a gaming license, 226 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: which meant that he couldn't be involved in the casino anymore. 227 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: You couldn't be an operator, Yeah, they And they blacklisted 228 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: him actually a few years after that. So Lefty, Uh, 229 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: not one to really listen to voices of authority, quit 230 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: his job as casino manager, but not before he rehired 231 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: himself and gave him the title of Food and Beverage 232 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: Services and then entertainment director. He's also the reason that 233 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: Siegfried and Roy were at the Stardust. This is like 234 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: a little interesting. He's still the act. In the early eighties, 235 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: the Gaming Commission finished up an investigation that had been 236 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: ongoing essentially since Glick came into the picture, and Rosenthal 237 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: as well, and they found out that about fifteen million 238 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: dollars had been skimmed from the Stardust alone and kicked 239 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: back to Mr Hassa, back to the mob. All that 240 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: went back to the to the mob or to the teamsters. 241 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean not all, but a lot of a big 242 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: chunk of it. I mean it was spread between Chicago 243 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: and Kansas City, but I don't know Lefty. I really 244 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: find him interesting now. He's he's the main character in 245 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: the movie Casino, which is, oh gosh, who's the lead 246 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: actor in that? Dustin Hoffman Nero de Niro plays him 247 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: under a different name in that movie. But Yeah, what 248 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: cracks me up is I was doing some reading about 249 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: Lefty and he during this couple of year period when 250 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: he was fighting with the Gaming Commission, they would put 251 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: him unto, you know, in talks, and he would be, uh, 252 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: he would badger them, and that's basically why he got 253 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: kicked out. He's he wouldn't play ball with them. And 254 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: when he was doing these things like you know, making himself, 255 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: what was he food and beverage services director? He actually 256 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: and he was entertainment director. He actually started a TV 257 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: show in the casino and he would he would interview 258 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: the acts and he would get them to talk about 259 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: the Gaming Commission and he would beat them up. And 260 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: evidently it was a terrible show. The Rosenthal shows a 261 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: picture of him sitting on this on the set with 262 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra. I don't know, I don't know what if 263 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: Sinatra mentioned that in his memoirs at all. Probably Yeah, 264 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: there's actually there's an awesome picture of Lefty that's like 265 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: the quintessential like mob picture. I'm going to do the 266 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: impression right now. I'll see if we can't like link 267 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: to it or something on the website. The duck face. 268 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: It's the one where he's just like, yeah, he's doing 269 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: kind of a duck face, like yeah. That was when 270 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: he was in one of those commission meetings and was 271 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: not being a very nice gentleman. So finally the Gaming 272 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: Commission got rid of Lefty. I actually think it was 273 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: the mob that got rid of Lefty. I don't remember 274 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: who got rid of left Yeah, he left the left 275 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: He disappear, No, he his car was exploded. Yeah yeah, 276 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: his car blew up with him in it. It was 277 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: a big enough Catillac that he didn't get killed. There 278 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: was a reinforced steel plate under his feet that saved him. 279 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: He had like minor cuts and bruises. I gotta or 280 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: if he had that put into that, because that's not 281 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: standard in that vehicle. And they half inch thick steel 282 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: plates underneath your vehicle. Sah, yeah, you know. I mean 283 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: if I were in that business, I would probably have 284 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: like an armored like like bulletproof glass and armor in 285 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: the doors and everything like that. Yeah, that would be 286 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: a good idea. So after Lefty Rosenthal left. Sorry everyone. 287 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: The Gaming Commission, I guess, somehow was instrumental in installing 288 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: the next two owners. They facilitated the deal of these 289 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: owners buying the Stardust and in the mid eighties it 290 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: turned out, oh oops, these guys had been skimming to 291 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: they were fined what at that time was a record 292 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: setting amount three point five million dollars each. That was 293 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: the most that any individuals had been fined for. The 294 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: Gaming Commission basically hated this artist at this point, it 295 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: sounds like they did. And then somehow magically in the 296 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: Startust was declared mob free, and but that there's no 297 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: explanation on like how that happened or like, you know, 298 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: they they put some bad guys in those seats. One 299 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: they probably they probably co opted the game and still 300 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: still kind of skimming off the top. Well, but you know, 301 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: think about the mob was big in the fifties, sixties 302 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: and began to wane in the seventies after that, and 303 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: the government was going after them everywhere, so it's much 304 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: harder for them to just freely operate and do what 305 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: they want, and they've got to move more and more 306 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, which means it's it's much harder for 307 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: them to do their business. And something that is that 308 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: regulated gambling, you know, with the board and everything. I 309 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: can't see it where they could just sneakily put somebody 310 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: in anymore. Well, I think it's just generally, you know, 311 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: they weaned down the population of mobsters in high positions 312 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: and they were just stealing trucks and that was it. 313 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: And so now I know they were doing more than that. 314 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: And then yeah, so the government brilliantly got rid of 315 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: the mob and now and now, of course we don't 316 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: have any thing as organized crime in this country, and 317 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: definitely not or you know, criminals in positions of power, 318 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: or people who let greed take over their sense of 319 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: think that I think actually it may in the end 320 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: have been a mistake to get rid of the mob, 321 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: because these guys at least played by a set of rules, 322 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: whereas a lot of their successors and organized crime in America. 323 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: So they had some serious rules and they gotta gotta 324 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: admit there were some things that I liked about the 325 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: mob days when you read about them, like, you know, 326 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: the mob guys see some dude beating up his wife 327 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: and suddenly the mob shows up at his house and 328 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: he's got two broken legs and he never hits his 329 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: kid again. Kind of thing. Like they there was some 330 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: old school rules that they played by that were good things. 331 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: They did a lot of bad things. Yeah, but for example, 332 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: if you if you, if you whacked a guy, you 333 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: didn't kill his family, and you did make sure not 334 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: to do it in front of his family and then 335 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: and they had all kinds of rules like that. Yeah, 336 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: which they did bad things, but there's a there's a 337 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: silver lining to sub of it right now, and that 338 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: we are totally out this isn't a show about the mob. No, no, 339 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Go ahead, We'll talk a lot more about 340 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: the mob in our Jimmy Hoffa episode. Yeah, well, you 341 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: guys want to talk about billsmore, we probably should. Yeah. Probably. 342 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: I guess that whole tangent was a little bit to 343 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: explain the history of the startups, to explain that people 344 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: in power in the stardust have not always been the 345 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: most honest. Well, yeah, it's Vegas. I mean, everybody knows 346 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: about Vegas and its origins and all that stuff, and 347 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: like say, maybe the mob is still there and may 348 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: be not, but if they're if they're still there, that 349 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: I would tell you why he's never heard from again. 350 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's not there anymore. What's that started stars? Yeah? 351 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: I saw a picture of you guys probably saw it 352 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: too on the web page of the old original Classic 353 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: Startust Junkyard in a junkyard. Yeah, I want it so cool. 354 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: I wonder if I wonder if they want to the 355 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: Smithsonian Institution or something like that. You know, it's only 356 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: an institute should have gotten that somebody should take. Hopefully 357 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: somebody got a hold of it. You know, maybe I'll 358 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: put it in my backyard. Yeah, we'll go over really 359 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: well with my neighbors. I think it might be bigger 360 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: than your backyard. You're gonna have to they're gonna have 361 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: to get airspace rights over your neighbor's yards. Possibly. When 362 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: it comes to Bill, there's really only two theories. You know, 363 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: there's sub theories under it, right, but either he's a 364 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: live or he's dead. Quick question. Yeah, of the cash 365 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: and ships that he took, what how much was cash 366 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: and how much was Yeah, that's that's kind of a 367 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: big thing. Is that nobody knows? I mean, I'm sure 368 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: they know, right, they wouldn't know, but it's not publicized 369 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: how much. Because that's actually one of my big problems 370 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: with some of these theories is that we don't know 371 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: how much of it was money and how much of 372 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: it was chips. I gotta be honest. If he was 373 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: smart and he intended to get out of town, I 374 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't take a single chip. Well, I think it's interesting. 375 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: You know you can if you plan this ahead, you say, 376 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm in a steal a bunch of chips, will you 377 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: pay them for me, you know, at a reduced rate 378 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: and market? Yeah, and then you can go. You set 379 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: that deal up prior, you do it quick, and then 380 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: you That's kind of what I was thinking is with 381 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: the one of his gambling friends, you could have said, look, 382 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: if I got you a pile of chips and I'm 383 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: in a huge pilot chips, how much would you give me? Like, 384 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: would you give me seven seventy cents on the dollar, 385 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: you know something like that somewhere some reduced traight and 386 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: just make a bulk sale. Yeah, absolutely, because yeah, obviously 387 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: he can't go back and gamble rate chips, so he's 388 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: gotta he had cash him in it. You don't even 389 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: have to gamble him. You can just walk up and 390 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: cash him out. And as soon as it was known, 391 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: the casino put out all the other casinos. Hey, we 392 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: had a whole bunch of chips stolen, so'll be watching 393 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: out for random people walking in with huge stacks of 394 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: our chips suddenly to be cashing you do. Well. Do 395 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: other casinos honor the chips from from the other casinos? 396 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: And I don't you know, I never gambled with chips 397 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: in Vegas. I've always played slot machines because I weeny uh, 398 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: and so I don't really know. I wouldn't think that 399 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: they would, but I remember seeing stuff in the reading 400 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: about them alerting other casinos to large denominations of their 401 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: chips coming in. So I've got to imagine that there's 402 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: a bit of a barter there. Now, maybe they don't 403 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: give them a hundred face value, or maybe they do. 404 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: May yeah, I don't know, but it seems like they'd 405 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: have to have some kind of exchange when people are 406 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: walking from casino to casino with getting paid in chips. 407 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: I mean, selling them in bulk on the black market 408 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: would be the smart way to do offload them fast. Yeah. Absolutely, 409 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: Let's let's say he's alive for now, shall we. This 410 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: obviously means he's not in America anymore, because he's on 411 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: the FBI's Most Wanted Fugitive list and also has appeared 412 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: numerous times on America's Most Wanted. Well, you could have 413 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: grown a beard and moved up into the hills and 414 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: become a unibomber type living living in a little shop. 415 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: That's true. But I also do want to think a 416 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: little bit about half a million dollars, you know, five 417 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. It's not such a high amount that 418 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: you could totally live for the rest of your life 419 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: on it. Suffice to say, you know, you can do 420 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: the math. And actually a lot of people on the 421 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: internet do do this math what they say, and it's 422 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: been twenty two years since this happened. Five thousand dollars 423 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: about by twenty two years equals about twenty two dollars 424 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: a year, which is not enough to live on, as 425 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: it turns out in America. Well, you could live on that, 426 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: but you'd be yeah, and that that means that it 427 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: would only be twenty two years that you're living You know, 428 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: that number gets smaller and smaller the longer you live 429 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: off of it. In the beginning, that's probably decent money 430 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: to living. So I admit he probably ran out of 431 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: cash if he's in this country. Yeah, and that's I 432 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: think that I don't know why you would stay here. 433 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: First of all, it's to live way cheaper places to live. 434 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he could he's probably not living in Europe 435 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: because somehow that's even less money. But I just want 436 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: to think about like the Pacific rim areas, lots of 437 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: parts of Asia, South and Central America. I mean, I 438 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: I have friends, you guys know, my friends that do 439 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: this where they go and they work up in in 440 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: the fish farms in Alaska and make thirty dollars in 441 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: the summer, and then they just literally travel around and 442 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: live on it for a whole year because you go 443 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: cheap places to live, and that's so sufficient that it's crazy. 444 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, so if you're gonna go, maybe like to 445 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 1: the Philippines with half a million dollars, you canna live 446 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: like a king. Yeah, you can do pretty well. Or 447 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: another place if you got If your listeners are looking 448 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: for a cheap place to go, Bolivia, Bolivia, it's really 449 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: cheap Wow. Yeah, So for me, it's not a problem 450 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: to say that it's not enough money to live on. 451 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: I think it's not enough to live in America, but 452 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: there are a lot of places you could go or 453 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: would be enough. It also explains on like most of 454 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: the other theories, that that his cat was gone, right, 455 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: I mean, like if he if he got murdered, his 456 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: cow would still be at his apartment. If you're a 457 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: detail rated murderer, then you're gonna go take You're gonna 458 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: go to his place and pack a bag and take 459 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: the cat and hopefully you're not going to kill the cat. 460 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: Hopefully you're gonna find him a new home, you know, 461 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: but probably Yeah, yeah, that's what people who kill their 462 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: cat society puts up. Puts up like a Craigslist d 463 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: My my owner got whacked. I need a home, signed 464 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: Mr Snuggles. Mr Snuggles. Anyways, I think, you know, it 465 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: would have been pretty easy for him to have just 466 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: drunk his cat up, stuck in the carrier, hopped on 467 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: a plane. It just moved. But again there's the problem 468 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: of we don't know how much money versus chips. Yeah, 469 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: let's say it was half and half, and of course 470 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: I say I had to cut a deal with somebody, 471 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: and let's say knock it down to like seven seven 472 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: cents on the dime, do you think so? Yeah? You know, 473 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: also that's how much I say, rough figure grand No, 474 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: no's it'd be about so it's come out to about 475 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: four if he's getting seven said, Yeah, let's say he's dead. 476 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm kind of guessing that's a big probability. 477 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: I think there are two kind of sub theories here. 478 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: One is the accomplice theory, one is the mob theory. 479 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: And then I guess there's like a third sub theory 480 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: that we'll talk about after we're done talking about the 481 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: accomplice in the mob. I mean he but he clearly 482 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: had an accomplice, right, Either he walked out of a 483 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: casino with a backpack or a duffel bag full of 484 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: money and chips, he he would have had to had 485 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: somebody let him through security. He would have had somebody 486 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: at the very least by those chips off of him. 487 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: He's not back in here laundering them the chips, right, 488 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean, somebody else has the chips at this point, 489 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: I mean, not this current moment. After the Yeah, so 490 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: it's it's not as though he just had nobody helping him. 491 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. Yeah, Okay, when the casino 492 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: gets robbed, they rarely tell exactly how it was done 493 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: and what was done right. They're a little sketchy on 494 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: the details because they don't want any other Yahoo's figure 495 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: you're in it out. Okay. So maybe he does have 496 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: some shady guy who he knows he can take a 497 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars worth the chips to and sell and 498 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: the rest is in cash and then he just skips. 499 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: But I personally think that I think this guy would 500 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: have to be smart enough to know that chips are 501 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: not the way to go. I would imagine that you 502 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: would want to take the majority of what you steal 503 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: in cash so you can just bounce with it. And 504 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: he could have I mean, you know, if he's hanging 505 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: up with a debtor and this guy is getting him 506 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: to gamble and do bad things, he might have owed 507 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: money to other people and he might have just walked 508 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: by and said, hey, so I know I owe you 509 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: a hunter grand here's chips from the stardust I'm out by, 510 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: and takes off and then skips, like we've talked about. 511 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: But he's got the other four hundred grand in cash, 512 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: and we don't know how much he took. He might 513 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: have just taken. He might have taken just a couple 514 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: of hundred chips. He might have taken him just enough 515 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: for his home poker set. Yeah, it's true, that's definitely true. Yeah, 516 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: just a souvenir kind of thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 517 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: I think that's that's fair. I guess I would qualify 518 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: somebody buying chips as some sort of accomplice, and that 519 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: that person may be thinking, oh, you have this many chips, 520 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: Well where'd you get him? You know, And if he's 521 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: a smart guy, he says I accidentally walked out with 522 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: him or something, right, it makes it a story, didn't 523 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: tell every exactly. But he may not be a smart guy. 524 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: He may be like, oh, I'll just rip the start 525 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: ust off. I walked out of there with like half 526 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: a million dollars, at which point somebody says, oh, oh really, 527 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: I'll take that. Yeah. You think it would have kept 528 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: his mouth shut about the cash, you would think that. Yeah. 529 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: But if he did have an accomplice, which again I 530 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: think he does. Steve apparently thinks he doesn't, And I 531 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: think it's a it's a good possibility. Then that wasn't 532 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: necessarily accomplice who helped commit the crime, but just somebody 533 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: he arranged with the time to deliver a bunch of 534 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: ships to Yeah, I think I think it's a good 535 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: possibility that that person would have decided maybe all of 536 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: the half a million dollars sounded better than just the three. 537 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: All is better than half, all is better than hals these. 538 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: Then there's the mob. Yeah, they were angry, so they attractive, 539 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: but they are still involved in the Stardust. They don't 540 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: have a good history of not reacting people who steal, 541 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: turning the other cheek and all that stuff so much 542 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: into that it turns out, so you have a mob 543 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: or just not great people who run the Stardust. I mean, 544 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the Ocean's eleven connection, 545 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: but since this is a story kind of ripped from 546 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: a movie, Steve Well, all right, so I've been reading 547 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: this and I really liked the story, but I'm not 548 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: a super fan of the two main theories, so I've 549 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: just kind of been spitballing, as I like to do. 550 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Time to spit is, I was thinking about it, and 551 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: I've got two ideas. Okay, okay, So the first off, 552 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: let's step back and remember that nobody saw him leave 553 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: that I could have been murdered on set that he 554 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: can Yeah, maybe not murdered, but like he may have 555 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: made it out of the casino. Yeah, he may have 556 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: been pinched in the casino. And they said, we don't 557 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: know what happened to him and all this money, and 558 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: now we've got us file this claim against insurance because 559 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: he lost half a million dollars. Oops. Yeah, and actually 560 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: added to that, it would be pretty easy for them to, 561 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, say, hey, homeless dude, here's a bunch of money. 562 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: Launder it back into the company for a something like that. Right, 563 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: So you make the insurance claim of half a million dollars, 564 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: which again is a significant amount of money, almost closer 565 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: to a million dollars at this point in today's money, 566 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: You launder it back in, you've made your claim, you 567 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: kind of come out on top, and you've eliminated a 568 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: problem child. Yeah. But the problem with that I have 569 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: with that theory is, and that's not a bad one, 570 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: but if I were planning on doing something like that, 571 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: I would have probably given the guy more responsibility and 572 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: access to more cash, and then you whack him and 573 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,719 Speaker 1: then you and then you disappear to three million dollars. 574 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: Oh well, this is this is they didn't realize he 575 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: was going to do it, and they caught him, and 576 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: they caught him. They catch him in the act and 577 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: somebody acts rashly. Let's say, he freaks out and a 578 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: gun goes off, as it does in the movies, and 579 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: he slumps down dead in the hallway and one of 580 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: the back hallways, and uh, we got to get rid 581 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: of his body. Oh conveniently there's a desert out there, 582 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: and explained this guy suddenly gone. That works for us. 583 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: So I kind of wonder about that aspect, which we 584 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: don't really see in any of the reading. That was 585 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: my third Oh was it? I'm sorry? That's okay. I 586 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: do have another idea. Yeah, so this one is even 587 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: farther off the rails. Okay, I know I do, And 588 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: I know Joe has a cat, and you're not a 589 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: cat person. I am not a cat person. Okay. Sorry. 590 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: Anybody that has a cat knows that your cat is 591 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: out to kill you. So what if it was Mr Snuggles, 592 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: Mr Snuggles with the candlestick. Mr Snuggles plotted the whole 593 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: thing and then killed him. I went to Venezuela to 594 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: eat sardines for the rest. What if Mr Snuggles wasn't 595 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: actually a cat? What if he was paused? Why not? 596 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 1: I'm really, if we're gonna be just accusing random things, 597 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: may as well accuse the chupacabra. Absolutely. Um yeah. And 598 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: if you have to say, an accomplice in the casino, 599 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: and then of course, like it could be that he uh, 600 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: they plotted it out together, and that is accomplished, just 601 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: like you know, cat him with a lead pipe and 602 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: stuffed him in a laundry cart and you know, took 603 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: the body out that way. And that's the other thing 604 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: is that that's how I explained why the cat has 605 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: gone from the apartment if he did have an accomplice 606 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: that knocked him off once he left, as he says, Hey, 607 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip town. I'll meet you and give you 608 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: your cut. So he's got his cat in the car 609 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: cat carrier. He meets him at some abandoned lot. The 610 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: guy waxed him in the head with a lead pipe 611 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: and kills him, opens up the cat carrier and then 612 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: sets the car on fire. And Mr Snuggles runs free 613 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: to live with the you know, other feral cats in 614 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 1: the neighborhood, and the car is destroyed or they run 615 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: it out into the desert or something that would explain 616 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: why the one thing that is disguy's anchor, the pud, 617 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: is gone. Yeah. Do you know did they search the 618 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: Humane Society to see if he cats turned up. I'm 619 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: kind of guessing they didn't. The probably didn't. It's my 620 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: guest too, so though they are the theories, and I 621 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: guess unless you guys have anything else, If you're Bill Brennan, 622 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: please call, would you please? Seriously? Won't we won't tell 623 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: the FBI. They probably are monitoring this podcast. Well, obviously 624 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: they are. We solving a lot of their mysteries for them. Yeah. 625 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: With that, it's a nice little short episode for y'all. Yeah, 626 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: on the back of like four or five. If you 627 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: would like to read some of the links that we 628 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: have been referencing tonight, they are as always on our website. 629 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: That website is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You may 630 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: be listening to us there. You're probably listening to us 631 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: on iTunes. If you're listening to us on iTunes, drop 632 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: as a comment narrating if you would. If you forgot 633 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 1: to download us, you could be streaming us on Stitcher, 634 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: which is not the only thing that we're on these days. 635 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: I think we're also in the Zooe Library, because apparently 636 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: that's the thing still is still around. Yeah, I guess 637 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: now we're in the I think getting into the Zooe 638 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: Library puts us into the Microsoft library. Yeah. Evidently you 639 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: can find us on Windows eight phones. They have a 640 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: podcast app. Gosh, I guess. So we're on tune In 641 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: as well as well. We're we're kind of all over 642 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: the place these days. Yeah, we're also on Facebook. If 643 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: you would like to connect with us there, please feel free. 644 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: You know, we've got the group and the page. So 645 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: like us and friend us. There's gonna be some interesting 646 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: stuff coming along there pretty soon. Steve's making a face 647 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: there is Yeah, Okay, what's it going to be. That's 648 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: a surprise. It's interesting. We can't tell the teaser, Joe, 649 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: that's what the teaser is. Yeah. Also, we're trying to 650 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: make Twitter work for us. Everybody in this room is 651 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: making a face. Sorry everyone. I'm reading a lot of 652 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: Twitter help blogs. Yeah, I figured because I've never really 653 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: used to Twitter trying to I'm reading Twitter for dummies. Yeah, 654 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: I'm not. I figured out some of some of those 655 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: medieval terrorist types over in the Middle East can figure 656 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: out Twitter. Then a weekend too, probably that's true. Yeah, 657 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: I hope you would. Hope. Also email, it's the best 658 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 1: way to get in contact with us. That email address 659 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: is Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com. We have 660 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 1: some listener mail. Actually, we've been putting off for so long. 661 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Mail bag is huge. Actually these days 662 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: it's kind of over a little overflowing. So why don't 663 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: we read those emails? Yeah, let's do This one is 664 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: from Aubrey. She said, Hey there, my name is Aubrey. 665 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm a college student, sophomore studying psy call Gy, and 666 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: I've been obsessed with your show, listening between classes and 667 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: putting off work to listen as well. I promise I 668 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: will keep my grades up, though, especially since I am 669 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: nearing being caught up in horrified at the idea of 670 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: running out of my ability to binge listen. Yeah, step 671 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: your studies not really do want to really responsible think 672 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 1: that that was actually one of the first things that 673 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: were one of the big things. Keep your grades up 674 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: because I was trying to think of something for a podcast, 675 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: and everything had either already been done or so famous 676 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: that I'm sure that you would eventually do them, or 677 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: are tired of hearing them suggested. Bottom line, I had 678 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: the a very disturbing but good idea. Anyways, that's you know, 679 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: she the suggestion, and she just says keep podcasting, and 680 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: she's classed up two thousand and seventeen, which is scary. Yeah, 681 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: that's super scary. So thank you for the suggestion, Aubrey. 682 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: I think that I will not be taking it, but 683 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: somebody in this room probably well maybe. Yeah. It's uh, 684 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: it's a disturbing idea or a disturbing story. It's it's 685 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 1: very different from us but from what we do normally, 686 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: but kind of vaguely like it. So it deals with 687 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: bodily functions. Gross, it's gross. It's gross. Well, we'll get 688 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: to it at some point in the near future. And 689 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: I think, all right, well, we've got another one here 690 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: that I wanted to I wanted to read for everybody, 691 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: and this is from Linley. Linley says, Hi, guys, I 692 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: adore your podcast. I look forward listening to it every 693 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: week Thursday nights. I work alone in the basement of 694 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: a library processing books, and your podcast is the perfect 695 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: mood center. I don't alone in the basements. Yeah, I 696 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: can't listen to our stuff when it's like dark out. 697 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes I leave, like from recording and I'm like, it's 698 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: too creepy out here. Actually, After After Dark the only 699 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: the only podcast I listened to our in the Muppets 700 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 1: and Barney, Yeah, thank you for providing me with hours 701 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: of entertainment and getting me through these long hours in 702 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: a dusty room stacked with books. Literally, then goes on 703 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: to suggest a story which I've got to admit I 704 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: was really intrigued with. I hadn't ever heard of before, 705 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, working in a dark basement at night on 706 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: your own listen with us. Yeah, I've been doing a 707 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: lot of research on the library basement murders, and uh, 708 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: we're probably gonna that just reminded me of that. I 709 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: sort of let that slip and let us and so yeah, 710 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: we'll be covering that soon. Yeah, don't worry. Yeah. Yeah, 711 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: And you know that actually makes me think, is I 712 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: don't know that we share with our listeners or our 713 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: listeners share with each other sometimes, is the other shows 714 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: that they listened to for some folks that are in 715 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: that situation where it's like, that's a creepy spot, you 716 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: should listen to this instead. And I know I listened 717 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: to a bunch of shows. I know, Devin, you listen 718 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: to the Couples, Um and Joe listen to one or two. 719 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, I don't know if it's 720 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: worth it at some point for us to share that 721 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: with our listeners and have our listeners share what they 722 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: listened to. I think that might be fun for us 723 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: to do sometimes. I mean, and you know, there's another 724 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say. You know, we really appreciate 725 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: the positive messages that we get, and I would say 726 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: that of our emails are positive like that. But also, 727 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: don't be afraid if you if you think that we've 728 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: left something important out of a mystery, don't be afraid 729 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: to chime in and let us know about that. Oh yeah, 730 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: we've missed the mark on a point or two and 731 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: about something wrong, and please let us know. I mean, 732 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: and you know, it's nice that you say good stuff 733 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: to us, but I feel free to criticize us to 734 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: Joe needs to start going on Reddit because yeah, a 735 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: little bit, Yeah, thank needs to be. There's some verbal ticks. 736 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: Some of us have habits. They're habits that we're trying 737 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: to get rid of. We're really really working on it, 738 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: and no, thank you, And with that, I think I 739 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: think we're going to call this one solved. Obviously Mr 740 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: Snuggles voted for Mr Snuggles, So yeah, anyways, thanks for listening. 741 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you guys next week. Yeah. Well that 742 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: a hard hitting mystery will be sold sweet