WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #42

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<v Speaker 1>Old media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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<v Speaker 2>newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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<v Speaker 2>and what this means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today

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<v Speaker 2>I am joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Robert Evans.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode recovering the week of November thirteenth to November nineteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>The biggest news I think of this whole week. Jd

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<v Speaker 2>Vance has been sentenced to two years in prison for

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<v Speaker 2>threatening Donald Trump and jd Vance. This is, of course

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<v Speaker 2>James Donald Vance Junior.

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<v Speaker 3>Different jd Vance.

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<v Speaker 2>A sixty seven year old man from Grand Rapids, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>Second. Jd Vance has hit the discourse.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's also named Donald, which is phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Whop plead a guilty to three criminal accounts based on

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<v Speaker 2>the social media posts about killing the President, the Vice President,

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk, and Trump Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not good, not a good, ye, Garrison. I would

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<v Speaker 1>quibble that that is a bigger story this week because

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<v Speaker 1>this is the week of couse that Nicki Minaj addressed

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<v Speaker 1>the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a week where years happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye Nicki Minaj, if readers are familiar with her. It

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<v Speaker 1>will doubtless be because of her contribution to discourse on

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<v Speaker 1>her cousin's friends testicles. But this this time, she's back

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<v Speaker 1>and she is talking about the perse baby. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we do here. She's talking about the persecution of

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<v Speaker 1>Christians in Nigeria. Just for listener to another way, Nicki

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<v Speaker 1>Minaj is from Trinidad. Yeah, not at word of any

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<v Speaker 1>particular expertise or insight she has on a topic. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she she did that this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, at the United Nations.

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<v Speaker 3>How did do we know? How she decided that this

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<v Speaker 3>was a problem she needed to get involved.

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<v Speaker 1>She reposted a truth that Donald Trump had made great

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<v Speaker 1>and I've had a great start. I believe they reached

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<v Speaker 1>out on the basis of that. There's some tremendous like

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<v Speaker 1>statements calling her the greatest female recording artist in history. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which sets us up nicely for a Nicki Minaj Dolly

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<v Speaker 1>Parton beef.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I join on the side of Dolly Parton

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<v Speaker 1>in that one.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be hard not to, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I guess she reposted a thing about a

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<v Speaker 1>truth that led to them reaching out, and she volunteered

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<v Speaker 1>her time to address the United Nations organizations set up

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<v Speaker 1>afterward what to try and prevent genocides. Yeah, outstanding.

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<v Speaker 2>The truth is so beautiful. Yes, speaking of the truth

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<v Speaker 2>and the truth coming to light, we're talking about Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein again, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the ongoing revelations based on He's this guy's post

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<v Speaker 3>depth career has really been one for the books.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he really really rivals Michael Jackson in more than

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<v Speaker 2>one way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or Tupac, I would say Tupac.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 3>It was when when fucking John McAfee died, there were

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<v Speaker 3>all these people being like, oh, he's got you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because his McAfee had lied and said, I've got like

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<v Speaker 3>an insurance folder that'll come out in the event of

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<v Speaker 3>my death that'll, you know, reveal a bunch of top

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<v Speaker 3>level secrets. And John McAfee didn't know shit.

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<v Speaker 2>He was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a crazy old drug addict who killed his

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<v Speaker 3>nephew and then fled to South America or Central America anyway, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the America's one of the He fled to

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<v Speaker 3>a different America than the one that he came from anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's actually happening with Jeffrey Epstein, we actually now

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of dirt on a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>Larry Summers just left the board of Open AI because

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<v Speaker 3>he was revealed as a rampant misogynist and friend of

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<v Speaker 3>a pedophile sex trafficker. Not a good look.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also announced that after finishing his current class at Harvard,

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<v Speaker 2>he will be resigning from Harvard University.

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<v Speaker 3>What a loss for Harvard. I don't know how they're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna run.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's the biggest low since President Gay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look, Harvard, if you need someone to teach his class,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do it. I don't know what his class is.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't actually know what Larry does. We know what

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<v Speaker 3>his expertise is, but I feel like I could do

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<v Speaker 3>a better job. Yeah, bring me in.

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<v Speaker 1>We do know a little bit about what Larry does,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, the sex crimes right after recording Executive Disorder

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<v Speaker 2>last week, not the most important, but certainly the oddest

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<v Speaker 2>email was uncovered as a part of that big document's release.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an exchange from twenty eighteen between Mark Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>and Jeffrey Epstein to brothers. Let's start with Mark, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing? A while back? You mentioned that you

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<v Speaker 2>were pre diabetic. Has anything changed with that? What is

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<v Speaker 2>your boy Donald up to now? Jeffrey replies, all good,

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<v Speaker 2>and with me. Mark replies, ask him if Putin has

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<v Speaker 2>the photos of Trump blowing Bubba. You know, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to continue the exchange. Yeah, because, Jeffrey replies, and

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I had terrists. Mark replies, you and your

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<v Speaker 2>boy Donnie can make a remake of the movie Get

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<v Speaker 2>Hard sent via tin can and a string.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey replied, you mean Donnie T. And Mark replied, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>rather be in Donnie D's shoes. That's the exchange.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, what Epstein said was was siris, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>Yiddish word that means like problems, like I got I

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<v Speaker 3>got problems, I got shit, I'm all, I'm all fucked up,

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<v Speaker 3>which he was. He was not wrong about that, look, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So many people have speculated that this could be a

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<v Speaker 2>reference to former President Bill Clinton, whose nickname was Bubba,

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<v Speaker 2>and whose name is Bubba in some of these other emails,

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<v Speaker 2>or is referred to as pub in some of these

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<v Speaker 2>other emails.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is something that I've seen surprise a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>If you grew up in the nineties. You were aware

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<v Speaker 3>that his nickname was Bubba, but he has not been

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<v Speaker 3>called Bubba in a very long time. When he like

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<v Speaker 3>lost all that weight and went vegan and like it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stopped seeming like as much of a Bubba

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<v Speaker 3>as he did when he was the president. The Saturday

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<v Speaker 3>Night Live made fun of in that great McDonald's sketch.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, anyway, continue gare.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know how what else there is

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<v Speaker 2>to say here. You know, photos have been recirculating Trump, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Bubba gump shrimp, Well, the real.

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<v Speaker 3>Bubba, please stand up.

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<v Speaker 2>Photos have been recirculating of Trump, I would say, groping

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton's penis. Yeah, yeah, yep.

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<v Speaker 3>There's more there than you expect, right, yes, yeah, but Bubba.

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<v Speaker 2>Has referred to a few people, including other people like

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<v Speaker 2>in Epstein's circle, like a golf and models. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>Bubba was also the name of Gleaine Maxwell's horse.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm just not hearing this, and that's I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's the thing. I see the appeal to believing

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<v Speaker 3>that this is the answer. I simply don't believe Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump ever had that kind of throat game. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't. I just don't accept that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is by far the funniest possibility that he did

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<v Speaker 2>like a joke photo shoot where he like pretetted.

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<v Speaker 3>I could see him doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is really understandable. This is like, this is really doable.

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<v Speaker 3>Heaven't we all been there? So that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, take this however you will, Like

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Epstein has denied that the bubba referred to in

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<v Speaker 2>the email is a reference to Bill Clinton, while also

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<v Speaker 2>admitting in this same like interview to a news nation

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<v Speaker 2>and a statement that like, you know, Jeffrey certainly did

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<v Speaker 2>have dirt on the president and thought that he was

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<v Speaker 2>the only one that could sink both candidates career in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, both both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty good chance that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually yeah, But he for what it worth is saying

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a reference to Clinton. Who who knows.

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<v Speaker 5>That there's a real sort of you know, if if

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<v Speaker 5>you if you want to do the sort of pop

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<v Speaker 5>Marxist live this, there's a real sort of historical unity

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<v Speaker 5>of the ruling class moment. When you read these emails

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<v Speaker 5>and the people in them, it's like it's Bill Clinton.

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<v Speaker 5>It's Bill Clinton's like the people around Bill Clinton it's

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<v Speaker 5>Ken Starr. And you know, you go back and you

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<v Speaker 5>look at like you look at like the actual like

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<v Speaker 5>impeachment of Bill Clinton, right, and you realize that every

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<v Speaker 5>single one of these people are all friends with Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 5>Epstein and are just kind of hanging out like yeah

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<v Speaker 5>on like on the pedophile island.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just yeah, it's it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Something that like you couldn't if like the most the

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<v Speaker 5>most sort of on the nose, like I like completely didactic,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm pounding your head with a hammer, like Marxist thing

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<v Speaker 5>from nineteen sixty where they go, Yeah, all of the

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<v Speaker 5>presidents are hanging out on Pedophile Island like consecretly conspiring

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<v Speaker 5>behind your back, and they're taking photos of them like

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<v Speaker 5>grabbing each other's dicks like you wouldn't believe. But it's

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<v Speaker 5>like no, no, no, no, this is just this is just

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<v Speaker 5>the historical unity of the ruling class is literally they're

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<v Speaker 5>all friends with this pedophile Well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just these are all wealthy, powerful people and the

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<v Speaker 3>only people that they socialize with is each other. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The New York Times came up with an out with

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<v Speaker 3>an article this week that was like the Epstein emails

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<v Speaker 3>or an insight into an old New York long departed

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<v Speaker 3>or yeah, that was an incredible headline, And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it was. This was like the transition between all

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<v Speaker 3>of these people writing each other letters and all of

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<v Speaker 3>these people just bitching publicly on the internet, openly and

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<v Speaker 3>losing their minds. Like the awkward interstittle period was them

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<v Speaker 3>all emailing each other from their iPads. Right, So, to

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<v Speaker 3>that extent, the New York Times article is right, not

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<v Speaker 3>the main takeaway from the Jeffrey Epstein emails, I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>probably not worth an article in the Times, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not wrong technically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's a fascinating thing to choose to.

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<v Speaker 2>Go Yeah, that poor horse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a little bit. It's a little bit like

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<v Speaker 3>a journalist showing up in Berlin in late nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 3>five and like going through like papers in the ruins

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<v Speaker 3>of the Reichstag and being like, wow, this really reveals

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<v Speaker 3>a lost to Berlin. It was like, I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's really the point.

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<v Speaker 2>The other comments on on Bubba.

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<v Speaker 1>Did anyone ask guys his brother about the Holtz?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe Mark has been asked about the horse.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark is in a not that I have a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of sympathy for this guy, but just recognizing things objectively.

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<v Speaker 3>He's in a tough position because his brother was an

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly famous he's a file sex trafficker. Yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 3>is desperately trying not to get disappeared by the regime

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<v Speaker 3>or he also knows what'll come after the regime, so

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't want to set himself in a self up

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<v Speaker 3>in a way where he gets in trouble from that either, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's a legitimately complicated situation he finds himself in

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<v Speaker 3>that his brother just kind of laughed for him. And again,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have a lot of sympathy for the man,

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<v Speaker 3>but I can recognize it because he also said at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time he was like this definitely was not him,

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<v Speaker 3>referring to Donald Trump giving a blowjob to Bill Clinton.

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<v Speaker 3>He did also say that he believed that the Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>were removing the names Republicans from the Epstein files before release. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So he's he has been like hedging his bets because

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<v Speaker 3>again he's in a lot of danger. Yeah, this man,

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<v Speaker 3>this man is in trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would not be granted infused if I was him,

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<v Speaker 1>I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Be I wouldn't say shit, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like literally under the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would. I would, for one thing, not be

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<v Speaker 3>in a country that extradited.

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<v Speaker 6>I would.

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<v Speaker 3>I would never set foot in a country with extradition

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<v Speaker 3>treaties to the Western world. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the next strike in Venezuela will be Mark Epstein.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be living in Tehran right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, let's talk about Marjorie Trader Green.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, why not? Yeah, so Marjorie Taylor Green is part

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<v Speaker 3>of the resistance.

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<v Speaker 2>Now hashtag welcome to the Resistance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very like and Or.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, it's like that point in and Or where the

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<v Speaker 3>person and who did nothing but help Emperor Palpatine suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>at the last minute was like, you know what, this

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<v Speaker 3>guy want to step too far from me, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Or A, Actually I hate Jewish too much that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the I think that's the reality.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure if there was an analog for anti

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<v Speaker 1>Semitism in the Star Wars universe.

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<v Speaker 3>That I wasn't Well, you probably don't want to, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I've asked the wrong people.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, you have three hours, James.

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<v Speaker 3>In the early two thousands, George Lucas invented some names

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<v Speaker 3>that are themselves hate crimes. Just be remembering the names

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<v Speaker 3>is a hate crime.

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<v Speaker 2>James, Do you want to read about the Troydarians.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I'm as far as I get into into

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars Bigotrey discourse is Jia Juo Binks and after

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<v Speaker 1>that I leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Well from the same movie.

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<v Speaker 6>But no.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Yeah, Marjorie has been more combative against some of

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, Trump cultist mega right on a few issues.

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<v Speaker 2>One she's extended her already evidenced anti Semitism, a lah

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish space lasers towards foreign policy in this like America First,

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<v Speaker 2>Nick fuent Tzi way of being critical of Israel. You

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<v Speaker 2>see seeds of this because like Martin Tyler Green like

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<v Speaker 2>attended the Nick Fointes America First conferences like four years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is this this side of it not a

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<v Speaker 2>surprising turn for her. Her finally flipping on Trump in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the pedophile stuff may be a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>surprising because she was the original like QAnon candidate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and QAnon's built on this, like trying to justify in

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<v Speaker 2>some ways Trump's proximity to Epstein by building this grand narrative.

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<v Speaker 3>And she made a statement recently that she's no longer

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<v Speaker 3>all in on the Q stuff right like she had

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<v Speaker 3>she is. This is a pivot for her, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>a pivot that's pretty consistent with you know, her anti sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And it makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>with with with the Israel foreign policy stuff. It also

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense in terms of Trump's made a a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more statements directly addressing this Epstein stuff, which kind of

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<v Speaker 2>does call into question some of like the Q narratives,

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<v Speaker 2>which for someone like Marjorie might actually get her to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of reflect on some of some of like this

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<v Speaker 2>Trump cultish status that she's had for a while. This

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<v Speaker 2>has frustrated Trump, and you know, Trump's also been frustrated

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<v Speaker 2>with other members like Lauren Bobert and other like congress

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<v Speaker 2>people who were pledging to vote in support of the

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<v Speaker 2>release of the Epstein files. And this pressure was building

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<v Speaker 2>a lot last week during this like twenty thousand document

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<v Speaker 2>release and all this new news coverage and as these

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<v Speaker 2>as more and more Republicans bean to deflect from Trump

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<v Speaker 2>over the release of the Epstein files. Trump himself flipped

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<v Speaker 2>his rhetoric over this past weekend, still calling the debate

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<v Speaker 2>over the files a Democrat hoax, but truthing that the

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<v Speaker 2>files should be released because we quote unquote have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to hide, and he called on Republicans to vote in

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<v Speaker 2>favor of the bill to release the Epstein files, which

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<v Speaker 2>they did on Tuesday in a four hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seven to one vote, with Representative Clay Higgins, the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>from Louisiana, the only congressman to vote no. Hours later,

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Schumer unanimously passed the measure through the Senate. Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson had previously expected the Senate to amend the bill

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<v Speaker 2>to quote make sure we don't do permanent damage to

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<v Speaker 2>the political system unquote, and after its passage through the Senate,

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson seemed quite worried that it went through the upper

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<v Speaker 2>chambers in its current form. And I want to play

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<v Speaker 2>this clip here because it's kind of shocking to hear him,

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<v Speaker 2>hear him freak out.

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<v Speaker 5>And before we say this, you owe it to yourself

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<v Speaker 5>as a person to go actually look at this clip

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<v Speaker 5>and watch his face.

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<v Speaker 2>It is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I haven't seen this. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be in the sources below.

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<v Speaker 3>Action to lead your foond.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you seeing the bill without adding amendments or changing it.

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<v Speaker 7>I am. I am deeply disappointed in this outcome. I

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<v Speaker 7>think I'm told I've been at the state dinner.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 7>I was just told that Chuck Schumer rushed it to

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<v Speaker 7>the floor and put it out there preemptively. It needed amendments.

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<v Speaker 7>I just spoke to President about that. We'll see what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So is he do you think he may beat on it?

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<v Speaker 3>You say you spoke, I'm not saying that.

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<v Speaker 8>Is he supportive of it in its current form?

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<v Speaker 7>We both have concerned about it, So we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>As I was staying there with the.

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<v Speaker 4>Crown transmitting call, are you frustrating on the Majority leader?

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<v Speaker 5>Are you uptime with.

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<v Speaker 3>The Majority leader?

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<v Speaker 2>Cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Nice?

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<v Speaker 2>What a what a normal?

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<v Speaker 8>What a normal interaction That is also also worth the

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<v Speaker 8>very end of that video, he says I was eating

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<v Speaker 8>with the Crown Prince because he is again walking out

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<v Speaker 8>of a state dinner with one Mohamed bin Selmond.

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<v Speaker 1>The yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't even list of war crimes here, the suit, may child, soldier, exterminator,

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<v Speaker 5>et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, it's safe to say that both Johnson and

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump have concerns about the state of the bill

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<v Speaker 2>and Johnson seemed a little bit wishy washy on if

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<v Speaker 2>the President would even sign this or veto this. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not all bad for the president. I oh, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to seal Donnie j wiggle his way out of

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<v Speaker 2>this jam. This bill that has passed does allow Attorney

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<v Speaker 2>General and Bondy to withhold or redact portions of the

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<v Speaker 2>files that could jeopardize active federal investigations and personally determine

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<v Speaker 2>if information in the files should remain classified to protect

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<v Speaker 2>national security. The last weekend, Trump ordered Bondy to launch

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<v Speaker 2>investigations looking into connection between Epstein and prominent Democratic politicians

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<v Speaker 2>and donors. Here's clip from a Wednesday, November nineteenth press conference.

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<v Speaker 6>Jurnity General, do you mean that you will provide all

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<v Speaker 6>the files by thirty days?

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<v Speaker 4>We will follow the law. The law passed both chambers

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<v Speaker 4>last evening. It has not yet been signed, but we

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<v Speaker 4>will continue to follow the law again while protecting victims,

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<v Speaker 4>but also providing maximum transparency.

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<v Speaker 6>To that mad Maternity General. The DLJ statement earlier this

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<v Speaker 6>year saying that the files would not release mention the

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<v Speaker 6>fact that the review of the documents and the evidence

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<v Speaker 6>did not suggest that any additional investigation of third parties

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<v Speaker 6>was warranted. What changed since then that you launched this investigation?

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<v Speaker 4>Information that has come for information, there's information that new information,

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<v Speaker 4>additional information, and again we will continue to follow the

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<v Speaker 4>law to investigate any leads. If there are any victims,

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<v Speaker 4>we encourage all victims to come forward, and we will

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<v Speaker 4>continue to provide maximum transparency under the law.

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<v Speaker 2>Very normal, very normal response.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, Yeah, that's that doesn't sound sketchy.

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<v Speaker 5>I have never, at any point in the last eight years,

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<v Speaker 5>twelve years, however long we've been in this hellscap, been

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<v Speaker 5>a been a pistape believer. This looking at these people's

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<v Speaker 5>faces is the closest I've ever been to being like, no,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe that shit's real, and maybe it's in there, because

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<v Speaker 5>there's clearly something in there that they are just they're

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<v Speaker 5>just going through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of these guys seem to seem a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, I wonder why, surely there's no.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, imagine the workload ahead of them. They have

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<v Speaker 2>to redact so much. Yeah, I have to get so

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<v Speaker 2>many of those markers. Imagine how tired their risks are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like that feeling when you come back from

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<v Speaker 3>a reporting trip and you're like, now I have to

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<v Speaker 3>do the job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, I'm familiar with that feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what we have to do right now? Ads?

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<v Speaker 2>It's pivot to ads.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, let's go ahead and do that and we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I would like to take some time to discuss

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<v Speaker 2>probably the second most important news story of the whole week,

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<v Speaker 2>do It Sure, which is totally not a hail Mary

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<v Speaker 2>distraction to get away from the Epstein stuff. This is

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<v Speaker 2>totally legitimate and totally newsworthy. On Monday, November seventeenth, a

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<v Speaker 2>piece in the prestigious outlet The New York Post opinion

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<v Speaker 2>section provided earth shattering relevations revelations care that's the word

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<v Speaker 2>about the attempted Trump assassination, claiming to have discovered evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that Thomas Crooks, the shooter, had two possible accounts on

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<v Speaker 2>Devian Art.

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<v Speaker 9>Which, yeah, this really is the biggest story, which the

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<v Speaker 9>post New York Post describes as quote one of the

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<v Speaker 9>biggest online hubs for furry art and the furry community.

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<v Speaker 2>A furry is someone who has an interest in mormorphized

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<v Speaker 2>animal characters, often as a sexual fetish.

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<v Speaker 3>Unquote every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Later reporting in The New York Post claimed that one

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<v Speaker 2>of these accounts had only shared a single post quote

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<v Speaker 2>a repost of a towering, muscular female bodybuilder and a

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<v Speaker 2>slight man in his underwear unquote and quote. Multiple searches

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<v Speaker 2>for muscular women and female bodybuilders were found on Crook's

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<v Speaker 2>supposed YouTube search history.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a real pervert, then excellent, yes, beautiful quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's not it's oh, Robert, that's That's not even

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<v Speaker 2>the worst part. The furry stuff obviously problematic considering our

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<v Speaker 2>past few furry mass shooters. Is maybe a trend here.

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<v Speaker 2>We should look into this. But possibly the most damning

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<v Speaker 2>piece of information in the New York Post reporting is

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<v Speaker 2>that Crooks quote described himself with the pronouns they them

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<v Speaker 2>on the platform Debian art, which is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest hubs for furry art and the furry community. This

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<v Speaker 2>became the big thing among the right. Another trans shooter,

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump the Trump assassin was trans the whole time,

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<v Speaker 2>and we didn't even know. The FBI covered up the

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<v Speaker 2>trans connection. Here. It's all coming together more more red

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<v Speaker 2>string on the board. The trans the trans shooter narrative

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<v Speaker 2>is growing more and more evident. By the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This, this is the way that this was framed across

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<v Speaker 2>all of these all these commentators.

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<v Speaker 10>Who's the president right now is supposed to work?

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<v Speaker 1>At the time they investigated, Biden would have been president

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<v Speaker 1>right or they began their investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Post did reach out to the current

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<v Speaker 2>FBI for comment. They did not receive a response.

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<v Speaker 1>Deep State.

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Posts reporting like in these in these

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<v Speaker 2>opinion pieces, and I think later an article they did

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<v Speaker 2>did later include references to quote violently anti Semitic comments

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<v Speaker 2>and racist remarks about Hispanic immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm, that seems Thomas Crooks.

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<v Speaker 2>Also made, including YouTube comments from twenty nineteen quote, this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be blatantly racist. But I hope Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has these people a squad murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh great.

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<v Speaker 2>I always believed being patriotic was lighting up a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of socialist Jews like the ones that booed Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>blasting their useless brains out with an ar I hope

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<v Speaker 2>a quick, painful death to all the deplorable immigrants and

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<v Speaker 2>anti Trump congresswomen unquote. Obviously, the right wing commentators are

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about this sort of stuff. They're not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Crook's actual politics or political shifts during the pandemic

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<v Speaker 2>where he started getting kind of more Trump critical, but

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<v Speaker 2>still from a conservative perspective. Instead, the story is now

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<v Speaker 2>to quote libs of TikTok, Charlie Kirk killer furry fetish,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump shooter, furry fetish, Idaho firefighter killer furry fetish, what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on? Right wing podcaster and disgraced BuzzFeed journalist Benny

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson quote it has now been confirmed that attempted Trump

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<v Speaker 2>assass and Thomas Crooks used they them pronouns, had a

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<v Speaker 2>deep interest in furries and was exploring gender identity. Add

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<v Speaker 2>it to the list. This list is then a list

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<v Speaker 2>of both real and many not real quote unquote trans

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>mass shooters. Another account in d C. Draino, who was

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<v Speaker 2>part of the White House photo op team during the

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:58.159
<v Speaker 2>initial fake release of the fake Epstein files, not that

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 2>the files were fake, but like this fake meetia UH

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:04.880
<v Speaker 2>presentation around releasing the already released and actually even more

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 2>redacted versions of already public files. Dcudrena was one of

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 2>these guys who was like paraded around as like a

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 2>prop holding up these binders of files. He posted quote

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<v Speaker 2>it is now confirmed the deep state tried to cover

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<v Speaker 2>up that Thomas Crooks was a transgender extremist, to use

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>the then pronouns and then shot President Trump. We need

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a massive crackdown against violent trans extremism. This sort of

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 2>stuff is losing steam. This sort of stuff is not

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 2>spreading around the way that it has been previously. It's

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>very clear that this is a blatant distraction away from

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 2>unflattering stories about Trump in terms of the economy and

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:45.159
<v Speaker 2>specifically Epstein and all of this. Uh. You know, you

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.880
<v Speaker 2>might be wondering why maybe no other outlets of picking

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.359
<v Speaker 2>this stuff up, and that could be due to the

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 2>dubious nature of the New York Posts sourcing on these claims,

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<v Speaker 2>but also the fact that devian art automatically lists the

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:05.160
<v Speaker 2>user's pronouns as they them as the default setting. If

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 2>pronouns are not specified, this is the setting that everyone gets.

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 2>You have to actively try to change it. There is

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<v Speaker 2>no indication Thomas Crooks specifically set pronouns to theay them.

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 2>He is not a transgender extremist. He, like many gen

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Z people, is aware of furry art online. This is

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 2>very common. This is a very common thing. But the

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>post had a few other things They try to try

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.440
<v Speaker 2>to wrap this story around to give it some credibility,

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:39.919
<v Speaker 2>including this post from the Devian art alleged to belong

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 2>to Thomas Crooks, which is a picture of someone shooting

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 2>someone else in the head, which your post calls another

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 2>artwork appear to feature a shooting against a backdrop of

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 2>the trans flag colors. This is not the trans flag,

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:01.239
<v Speaker 2>nor the trans flag colors. This is a blue and

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 2>purple background. What purple is not in the transflag colors.

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>You can maybe argue this is magenta maybe, but this

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 2>is not a transflag. This is not an LGBTQ pride flag.

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.479
<v Speaker 2>This isn't even the bisexual flag, which does use these

0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:20.679
<v Speaker 2>same colors. This is just like a sky blue and

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>a magenta purple backdrop, which they are trying to frame

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 2>as further evidence of Thomas Krook's transgender ties. But what

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 2>is kind of interesting is as a part of the

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 2>social media accounts alleged to be linked to Crooks that

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>have appeared in new reporting from both The New York

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Post and Tucker Carlson's own news outlet, But as a

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>part of this reporting on Crook's possible online background included

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 2>a collection of search results or like search history from

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>April of twenty nineteen to May of twenty twenty, which

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 2>lines up with stuff that me and Robert have been

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>talking about for a while in that this guy seemed

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 2>to have the ideology or non ideology of a school shooter.

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>This is the actual through line across this act of violence.

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>These searches include quote crazy chemical reactions, deadliest mass shootings

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 2>in the world, people attacking pride parades, cars running over protesters,

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 2>getting away with racism, best places for a mass shooting,

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Pulse nightclub, Pulse nightclub, police body camera, mass shooting, El

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Paso mass shooting, Trump civil war, Trump church shooting video,

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>guns versus protesters, Orlando shooting reaction. Why I'm missing handgun?

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Firing an air fifteen as fast as possible, fertilizer bomb.

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>How do you use a tourniquit? How to make napalm

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Maltov cocktail? How to make maltov cocktail mixing ghasoline with styrofoam,

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 2>Mass shooting, Canada, Oklahoma bombing sniper in Dallas shooting.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, Yeah, who's in real trouble? Hitting with his pistol huh.

0:29:57.640 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>And his rifle.

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 3>It turns out probably choking up to your much on

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 3>the trigger.

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess, yeah, many such cases. Yeah yeah, but that's

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty clear theme that you've established there, Garrison.

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you see this in some way

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 2>being like a not necessarily an actual precursor, but in

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the same vein that some of these like TCC people

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>later would you know, start developing these past few years,

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's just obsession with doing violence. This subsception with

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>mass killings, with bombings, and some of it takes the

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 2>form of like you know, what looks like political violence,

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 2>like the Oklahoma City bombing, but a lot of it

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 2>is is very nihilistic. That's all I have on the

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>explosive reporting from the New York Post.

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 3>Great, great.

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to segue from that list of

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Google searches to tariff talk, but you know what I've

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>been searching for is this music locking jazz bomb, rocking jazz,

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 2>sorry lacking.

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Rocket Jazz, Bob Rocket jazz boy.

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<v Speaker 5>So this is actually a very this has been a

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 5>very very light week on tariff news. It is almost

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 5>entirely composed of people arguing about whether you're going to

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 5>get the tariff check, which no, you're not. You're not

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 5>going to get a check from the government with teriff money.

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 5>It's just not happening. So I thought, I thought I'd

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 5>take a second to pull out and look at some

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 5>of the macro stuff that's.

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Happening in the economy and.

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 5>Look at why it feels like a recession even though

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 5>there isn't one. And the answer is that you and me,

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 5>and everyone in this room and probably most of the

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 5>people's sister keep listening to this podcast, are effectively in

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 5>a recession. And the reason I can say this is

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 5>that there's there's pretty good numbers from the Harvard economists

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 5>Jason Furman, who points out that if you if you

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 5>look at so okay, so recession is is three consecutive

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 5>quarters of negative GDP growth, right, And this is not

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 5>like a perfect economic indicator, but you know, Jason Furrin

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 5>points out, ninety two percent of GDP growth in the

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 5>first half of this year is in a category that's

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 5>called information processing equipment and software. And so, okay, what

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 5>is that? That is all data center it's all data

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 5>center construction.

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:33.479
<v Speaker 2>It is ninety two percent of all of our GP growth.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the good news is that, for example, Oracle didn't

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 3>just make a big deal with open AI to provide

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 3>them with computing resources, and after making this three hundred

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 3>billion dollar deal has dropped three hundred and fifteen billion

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 3>dollars in valuation. That didn't happen obviously, Like these are

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 3>things are good in an AI world. There's not a

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.719
<v Speaker 3>bunch of people pulling their money out of Nvidia as

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>fast as they can.

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're getting to that.

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah one of them again, Peter Deal pulling his money

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 5>out right now, getting all.

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 2>His shit out.

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, get your shipped out. Fucking Michael Burry is now

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 3>shorting the ass.

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I will say this, The Michael Burry short thing

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 5>is literally the only thing that I've ran into that

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 5>actually makes me be like that. Like Michael Burry versus

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 5>the AI industry is like really truly is the great

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.479
<v Speaker 5>duel of the stoppable force and the movable object. Yeah,

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 5>like that's who're not dealing with like world rending titans here.

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 3>But you know, but we are. We are going to

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 3>get a sequel to The Big Short that's going to

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 3>really struggle to be entertaining because with the Big Short,

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 3>what was fun was these guys realizing how fucked the

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 3>this like system based on like really bad like tranches

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 3>of debt and how badly it was going to fuck

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 3>the economy and with AI it's just going to be

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 3>like literally everyone in the world except for the people

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 3>in media and politics, being like the same, like a

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 3>fucking grift. This seems bad and them all being like no, no, no,

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 3>bro trusts me, no no no, And then it all

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 3>goes to ship. Yeah.

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do a full episode about this to

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 2>some point.

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 5>There's a really good interview on a on a Bloomberg

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 5>podcast called Odd Thoughts with its kind of Paul Katrowski

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 5>who points out that well, ay, he has a great

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 5>line but calling this like the super bubble basically where

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 5>it's it's every single kind of speculative bubble rolled into

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.879
<v Speaker 5>one because all these data centers are being financed with

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 5>like the with the equivalent of mortgage backed securities.

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, these are these are subprime loans for tech companies, right,

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Like that's that's what's financing all of this.

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then these buildings. Right.

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 5>It's also it's also a real estate bubble because all

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 5>of these data centers are taking a ridiculous amount of

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 5>real estate. There's a tech bubble, and the single thing

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:51.840
<v Speaker 5>that and again, we're going to do a longer episode

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 5>about this later. The single thing that's the most unhinged

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 5>to me about this, and it's you know, even even

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 5>excluding the fact that you know, all of these processors

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 5>that they're using these data centers burned out after about

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 5>a year and a half because they're just running them constantly,

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 5>is that if you look at like the housing collapse

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 5>in two thousand and eight, right, and you look at

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 5>what was underlying all of those bad assets, there were

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.440
<v Speaker 5>houses there right at the end of the day, all

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 5>of these banks can go in and they can take

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 5>your house, and that's really bad obviously, But what is

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 5>the underlying assets for all of these tranches of all

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:30.240
<v Speaker 5>these tranches of debt. The underlying asset that you're supposed

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 5>to be taking, you know that that's supposed to be

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 5>the collateral is compute power.

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, no, it seems fine just because people can live

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>in the computer power and that we all need to

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>live in a computer power, So it's fine.

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Look, the the bad news is things are going

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 3>to be really bad for a lot of people. Oh yeah,

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 3>and they already are probably most people, and they're going

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.359
<v Speaker 3>to get worse. The good news is once we get

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 3>past you know, if if this is the way the

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 3>dot com bubble went right, once we get past this

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.360
<v Speaker 3>crash that's brought on by you know a mix of

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 3>greed and insanity and ignorance and lies, then we can

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 3>finally get to the Internet changing society in only positive ways,

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 3>which is what happened after the dot com bubble. You know,

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 3>we got Facebook, we got Google, we got Twitter, we

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 3>got Instagram, we got all of these great apps that

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 3>have made our lives nothing better but better, you know.

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 3>So I'm looking.

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Forward forget get her.

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't be ferries, I wasn't with the.

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Dvn RT exactly. How would we know who was without

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 3>deviant and what their pronouns may have been.

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 5>I do want to make a serious note about this

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 5>because I've seen a lot of who compare this to

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 5>the dot com bubble, and this is so much worse

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.320
<v Speaker 5>because the dot com bubble and you look at the

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:10.399
<v Speaker 5>telecom bubble afterwards, right, there were actual assets there, right,

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, like the only way people talk about this

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 5>is like.

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 3>There was pets dot com, but there was real stuff too.

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, And you know what a telecom bubble goes under, right,

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 5>there's still a whole bunch of like fiber optic networks

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 5>that they've set up that you could get you know, people,

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 5>people with a bunch of money afterwards can come scrape up.

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 5>And there's there's a material basis something.

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 3>Here these data centers, there's they're not practical if the

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 3>because and this is what the reason, because our colleague

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 3>at Zetron had a big scoop last week that's getting

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 3>a shitload of attention right now for good reason, which

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.919
<v Speaker 3>is that inference cost has been raising consistently for open Ai,

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 3>which is increasing their like it's fucking their margins and

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 3>it's increasing their losses, which is why they keep losing

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 3>more money each quarter. And the idea behind why people

0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 3>thought open ai could be a good business is that

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 3>these inference costs, which is basically how the cost that

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 3>it takes to keep making the models better, right, that

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:11.320
<v Speaker 3>that was going to decline once they hit a certain

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 3>level that like you're not going to need to it's

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 3>it's super expensive to get the models to a point

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 3>where they're good. But once they're good, then they get

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 3>to be really cheap. And that's not really true based

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.720
<v Speaker 3>on the data that we have and they were lying

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 3>about it kind of you know, they were not in

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 3>a way that was legally actionable. They're not a publicly

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 3>traded company that were not required to release this to

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 3>the public. It does seem like they were honest with

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 3>their investors, like Microsoft, right, they were lying to us,

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 3>right to regular people, in order to pretend this was

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 3>a business that had a lot better of a shot

0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 3>of being successful in the way it needs to be.

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 3>The problem with AI as a money thing is not

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 3>that there's no profit in this. It's not that there's

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.359
<v Speaker 3>no use for any of these tools. There are many

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.439
<v Speaker 3>uses and there are many potential businesses. It's that none

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 3>of them equal trillion dollars, which is what the minimum

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 3>that they need to be profitable, right, And these data

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:05.720
<v Speaker 3>centers are all based on the bet that no, no, actually,

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 3>this is a multi trillion dollar industry and we need

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:09.760
<v Speaker 3>this much compute, right.

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 5>And this is this is the greatest misallocation of capital

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 5>in human history. There has never been anything like this.

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.320
<v Speaker 5>There has never been crazy this much of the capital

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 5>on Earth poured into nothing because there's there's not there's

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:23.879
<v Speaker 5>not even physical assets left, right.

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 2>The physical assets are burned out, graphics.

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 3>Cards, because a lot of these data centers aren't built

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 3>and they don't last. Ye, right, that we're going to

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 3>do like, yes, they have a building, they have a

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 3>building you can run power to, but the graphics cards

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 3>don't last.

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and you know, and at the end of this, right,

0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 5>it's you. You have a bunch of buildings that don't

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 5>do anything attached to like extremely expensive diesel generators.

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 2>And I am praying.

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 5>The one thing that makes me be like, I hope

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 5>this goes down quickly is that I am praying that

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:54.800
<v Speaker 5>this bubble goes down before they actually start trying to

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 5>build nuclear like really truly get off the ground building

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.720
<v Speaker 5>a bunch of nuclear reactors, because can you imagine these

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:04.080
<v Speaker 5>guys who created a computer that can't win at chess

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 5>trying to build nuclear reactors.

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 3>I think we should let them do it. I agreed

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 3>to fuck it. Why not? Why not?

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Long for Stalker?

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean it's one of the this is like,

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 3>the point that is meaningful here is that after the

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:21.320
<v Speaker 3>dot com bubble, you were able to have a massive

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.439
<v Speaker 3>boom that created a bunch of wealth. It created wealth

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 3>doing things that were often super bad for society, but

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 3>it created a shitload of wealth because real infrastructure had

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 3>been put in place that actually enabled the whole country

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 3>to get connected. It enabled the birth of like the

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 3>mobile computing revolution whatnot, because a lot of groundwork had

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 3>been laid that was really meaningful. Even though a number

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.359
<v Speaker 3>of the business is involved in it didn't work out.

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 3>And that's really not what we're seeing, because it's hard

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:51.879
<v Speaker 3>to imagine assuming there's not a multi trillion dollar need

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 3>for AI, assuming everyone isn't going to do everything for

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 3>the rest of their lives through AI agents and do

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:01.440
<v Speaker 3>all of their thinking through chat GPT, unless that's the reality,

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.640
<v Speaker 3>wherein these are not good investments. And the only thing

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 3>I can compare it to in terms of what you

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:07.839
<v Speaker 3>were saying to me about this being like the worst

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.400
<v Speaker 3>allegation of capital in history, because I've been reading a

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 3>lot about like the nuclear arms race, and it was

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 3>one of those things where you go from we've dropped

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:19.879
<v Speaker 3>tens of thousands of bombs over the course of five

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 3>years to if we were to accidentally launch these ten missiles,

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 3>it would be more explosive power than has ever been

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 3>detonated in the entire history of human war added together

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 3>up to the present moment. Right like that that is

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 3>the because of and part of this was enabled by

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 3>the actual like Internet boom, right, the one that brought

0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 3>about Web two point zero in the social media era, Right,

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Like all of that wealth and all of the money

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 3>that poured into these vcs who'd gotten on board companies

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.720
<v Speaker 3>like Facebook that had to be created to allow something

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 3>this irrational, because twenty years ago, if the technology had

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 3>been there, there wouldn't have been the money to enable

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 3>this kind of insanity. Yeah.

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 5>Well, and I think the last thing, I mean, I guess,

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:01.320
<v Speaker 5>I guess there's two more things that I want to

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 5>say about this. One is is that you know, this

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.279
<v Speaker 5>is also part of the cyclical economic crisis that we've

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 5>been looking at since the seventies, which is that one

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 5>of the ways you get these bubbles is that there

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 5>are suddenly these unbelievably massive trillion dollar pool like trillions

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.839
<v Speaker 5>of dollars of pools of capital that you're trying to

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 5>find something to invest in, right, you have to reproduce it.

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.720
<v Speaker 5>And this is one of the things that causes, for example,

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 5>the Third World debt crisis in the seventies, is all

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 5>of this capital flows into all of these there will

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:31.960
<v Speaker 5>debt things.

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:32.800
<v Speaker 2>It eventually.

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 5>This is one of the things that powers first the

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 5>Japanese giant housing bubble that they did that caused the

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:41.839
<v Speaker 5>Asian market collapse in the early nineties, and then cost

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:43.440
<v Speaker 5>two thousand and eight, is that there's all of these

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:44.439
<v Speaker 5>pools of capital they.

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Have to turn into more capital, and they can't do it.

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 5>And when they can't do it, you get two thousand

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 5>and eight, right, And they've been able to sort of

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 5>hang on for about a decade, a decade and a

0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:00.359
<v Speaker 5>half ish roughly, because there was so much money coming

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 5>in from this tech sector.

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 2>But everyone outside of the tech sector it sucks. It's bad.

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 5>So this is part of the reason why everything feels

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.239
<v Speaker 5>unhinged right now, right, Like, Okay, there's obviously kind of

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 5>a problem with trying to track employment data just by

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 5>seeing news of firings, because companies just do firings because

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 5>it makes their stocks go up, because it makes investors

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:23.320
<v Speaker 5>think they're being more efficient, which is nonsense, but it's

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:25.320
<v Speaker 5>why it feels like this is why you feel broke.

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 5>And everyone is like talking about how the economy is growing,

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.799
<v Speaker 5>and it's like, well, yeah, this really small sector of

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:34.480
<v Speaker 5>tech has accumulated an unfathomable amount of wealth and they

0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 5>are getting very, very.

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Rich, and everyone else is fucked.

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:40.400
<v Speaker 5>And when this bubble collapse, when these people take all

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:42.319
<v Speaker 5>of the money they got out of tech and have

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 5>thrown it into the metaverse and AI, when that blows up,

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 5>it is going to be cataclysmic, and we're getting closer

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 5>to it.

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. The only one of them that will be

0:43:56.200 --> 0:44:01.320
<v Speaker 3>left is Gabe Newell sitting on his yes, finally releasing

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 3>Half Life three.

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 5>He could he could probably appoint himself to kidder for

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:07.839
<v Speaker 5>life after that light.

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he'll be the only one with money left. What

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 3>else all of the money and gave Newle's pockets. The

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 3>only asset is esteem. We've had, We've we've had it

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 3>replaced the military. Now, this is a basically the plot

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 3>of Yu gi Oh. Yeah you think I'm joking, I'm

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 3>actually no. I I never paid attention to the U

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:30.040
<v Speaker 3>gi Yeah.

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:31.879
<v Speaker 5>The plot of Yu gi Oh is the card game

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 5>becomes so profitable that the guy who runs the card

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 5>game company fights a battle with all the entire Builty

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 5>industrial complex and defeats them because he's making more money

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 5>than they are.

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:44.799
<v Speaker 3>So okay, yeah, I guess I think that's that that

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 3>sounds better than what we're doing.

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, we can't get his fine with that.

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Mentoring tulip mania, Yeah yeah, share the perfect historical comparison, right,

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 1>No one, you can eat a tulip bowl if you

0:44:58.040 --> 0:44:59.760
<v Speaker 1>have to think they're poisonous.

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't think you can eat a bole.

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 5>I shouldn't say that, but they're more edible than a

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 5>graphics card.

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Mia is telling every listener to go out and find

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a tula bowl, then eat it.

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 5>Putting this on my tombstone more, oh, and a graphics card,

0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:19.760
<v Speaker 5>do it side by side.

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Don't do this, don't do that. If you have you

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:27.879
<v Speaker 1>can tag near on blue Sky, I write, okay, send

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 1>her a picture of your face post tulip. If you've

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>eaten one that, don't eat one on our account. Uh.

0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Talking of other things not to do? Yeah, all right,

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:54.319
<v Speaker 1>fuck it. Kit's an ad for culips. All Right, we're back,

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and I am going to talk about a number of things.

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess the first thing I should talk about is

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the sanctions and fto's designation for various leftist groups in Europe.

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 1>There are four entities that the State Department has announced

0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>they've already been sanctioned, and I believe they'll be added

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 1>to the FTO list either sad Day or tomorrow as

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 1>we're recording this, so it'll be on the Foreign Terrorist

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Organization list by the time you hear this on Friday.

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 1>The four entities are called Anti for oust aka Hammerbund

0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>hammer Gang, the informal anarchist Federation. There's an Italian group

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>they use the initials FAI. Also they use fr I

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 1>that is not the same as the FAI that you're

0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 1>familiar with from the Spanish Civil Wars.

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:47.399
<v Speaker 3>That's your thing.

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 1>And then two Greek groups called Armed Proletarian Justice and

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Revolutionary Class Self Defense.

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Notes on the names, guys, I guess I shouldn't, but

0:46:58.440 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 3>I have notes on the names.

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean yeah. The European leftist groups it's

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 1>going to be yeah.

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course, it's going to be as many syllables

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.280
<v Speaker 3>as they can possibly have. Yeah.

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is an alphabet soup. So a couple of

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 1>notable things here. The US doesn't seem to have coordinated

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.719
<v Speaker 1>with the states where these entities exist. For example, the

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 1>German government and they prosecuted people who they've accused of

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 1>being members of Anti for aust recently, I think it

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.320
<v Speaker 1>was in September, and they claimed that the threat of

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 1>violence for them has quote decreased significantly, which is contradicting

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:35.320
<v Speaker 1>right the claim that these are these are violent groups.

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 1>The State Department, when it talks about anti for Oz,

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about a series of attacks in February twenty twenty three.

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.359
<v Speaker 1>What's missing from the analysis of February twenty twenty three

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.600
<v Speaker 1>is what was happening in Februar twenty twenty three. It

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 1>was an event in Hungary which existed to honor Nazis.

0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean Nazis like people who have a right

0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:01.320
<v Speaker 1>wing political ideology. I mean like member of the NSDAP

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:03.400
<v Speaker 1>in Germany who fought in World War Two at the

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:08.080
<v Speaker 1>time when they were doing the Holocaust. The rally included

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:12.440
<v Speaker 1>several groups which were already sanctioned by US allies, including

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Blood and Honor Combat eighteen. Jesus, I'm not going to

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:18.720
<v Speaker 1>go into an in depth history of either of those groups.

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:23.160
<v Speaker 1>They're neo Nazi groups, right. That eighteen is Adolf Hitler

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 1>one eight. These are the people who are, as far

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.600
<v Speaker 1>as I'm aware, the victims of that February twenty twenty

0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 1>three violence right. Notably, though Antifa ost was sanctioned by

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Hungry earlier this year. Right Hungary under Auburn fast moving

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 1>towards extremely right wing. I didn't think what political scientists

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 1>like to call it an illiberal democracy. Right.

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:52.840
<v Speaker 2>This sucks to hear. I mean, with this news, I

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:54.439
<v Speaker 2>feel like we might need to pull out of Victor

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Orburn presents Hungary for comedy the upcoming Cool Zone headlined

0:48:59.120 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>comedy festival.

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so many of our famous comedian friends have been

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:05.280
<v Speaker 1>planning to join us.

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 3>We are doing that show in Riad though.

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:11.399
<v Speaker 2>That's a lot.

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's still what Yeah?

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.

0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>The other groups aren't explicitly anti fascist, right.

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Because this is getting framed support of Trumps like anti

0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 2>antifa crackdown. Yeah, we're trying to find foreign terrorist organizations

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:29.759
<v Speaker 2>linked to Antifa, But these other three groups are not

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 2>explicitly like Antifa in name or scope.

0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:34.440
<v Speaker 1>It seems no, exactly right, So most of them are

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:39.480
<v Speaker 1>anarchist groups, right, and just to like delve very briefly

0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:41.680
<v Speaker 1>in two lines into things that have literally written a

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 1>book about. Anti fascism is a left unity position derived

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>from the common term position that it adopted its Congress

0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:52.920
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty five. These groups do not call themselves

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 1>anti fascist. Right, there is a distinction between anarchism and

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 1>anti fascism, which can be seen very acutely in the

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 1>May nineteen thirty seven events of the Spanish Civil War.

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:06.400
<v Speaker 1>But these groups have neither claimed anti fascism, nor, as

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 1>far as I'm aware, have any of them killed anyone.

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:13.359
<v Speaker 1>I believe that the antifa ost people being prosecuted. One

0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 1>of them is being prosecuted for attempted murder. In other

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:22.760
<v Speaker 1>cases they have been responsible for explosions or attempted bombings. Normally,

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 1>to be designated in FDO, they would have to be

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:28.960
<v Speaker 1>a threat to either US people or the United States

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 1>as an entity. Right, there doesn't appear to be any

0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:34.319
<v Speaker 1>evidence that these groups have any ties to anyone in

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 1>the United States or present any immediate danger to the

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 1>United States. I don't quite know where they got these

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:41.840
<v Speaker 1>particular groups from.

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:46.200
<v Speaker 5>So weird, it's a completely baffling list of groups, like

0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:48.360
<v Speaker 5>even looking at like gree karachist groups.

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:51.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, my guess is that someone in the Trump

0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:55.319
<v Speaker 3>administration has a friend in or Bond's administration and ask

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 3>them here some antifas we can go After that, you

0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 3>guys like you know, Europe.

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Greek anarchist groups specifically are some of the

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:05.640
<v Speaker 2>more interesting inclusions here.

0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 5>They're not the Greek anarchist groups you would expect them

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 5>to be going after.

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:11.720
<v Speaker 2>It's very weird.

0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like they're not groups I was familiar with. Likely

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:17.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't speak Greek, I don't, I don't

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:18.319
<v Speaker 1>read Greek.

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't.

0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't pay that much attention to that part of

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 1>the world. But like, there are other groups which are

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:28.640
<v Speaker 1>more notorious. Like, it's very odd that they've come up

0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 1>with the anti for usd one, a Greek garrison. I

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 1>think the lineage is more obvious that the other three. Yeah,

0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not entirely clear on how they got to those.

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:39.800
<v Speaker 1>If any you know, contact us if you have ideas.

0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 1>The other terrorist designation that happened this week, which is

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 1>breaking as we record on Wednesday, the nineteenth of November,

0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:55.279
<v Speaker 1>is that Greg Abbott has declared care this Center for

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:59.840
<v Speaker 1>American Islamic Relations and the Muslim Brotherhood as foreign to

0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:08.839
<v Speaker 1>US organizations. Jesus yeah, Jesus Christ. Texas doesn't appear to

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>have an FTO list as far as I can tell.

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:17.320
<v Speaker 1>What this seems to be is a designation under SB seventeen,

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:20.879
<v Speaker 1>which parts passed earlier this year, which relates to property law.

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:24.239
<v Speaker 1>It would stop the Muslim Brotherhood or Care as a

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>national five oh one C three renting or buying property

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:32.640
<v Speaker 1>in Texas. I'm not sure the Muslim Brotherhood intended to

0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>rent or buy property in Texas. Most of SB seventeen

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 1>deals with with like nationals and entities linked to like China, Russia,

0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and North Korea. It's trying to not have them by

0:52:42.520 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 1>large chunks of Texas. But it also does have this

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:50.080
<v Speaker 1>this mechanism in it. So again, just Muslim Brotherhood is

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the sunniest limits organization. It has participated in violence, but

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.840
<v Speaker 1>not for some time. It has its origines in Egypt.

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:59.480
<v Speaker 1>It does a lot of like social programming CARE most

0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 1>people we've familiar with right Care has already issued a

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.359
<v Speaker 1>response letter, and in their letter they said, quote, your

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.279
<v Speaker 1>proclamation has no basis in law or fact. You do

0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:10.960
<v Speaker 1>not have the authority to you latterly declare any Americans

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 1>or American institutions terrorist groups, nor is there any basis

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.279
<v Speaker 1>to level this smear against the organization. It's probably worth

0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 1>noting that there was a dog investigation into epic, not

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.399
<v Speaker 1>that epic, the one you're thinking of, probably, but this

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:28.600
<v Speaker 1>is the El Paso Islamic Center. That investigation was closed, right,

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.759
<v Speaker 1>but this is not the first time that they have

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>attempted to It's just very clearly in Islamophobia out of Texas, right, Like,

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 1>that is what this is.

0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.719
<v Speaker 5>There's also just an ancient sort of Obama era conspiracy

0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 5>where all of these people were all convinced that the

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:47.040
<v Speaker 5>Obama was part of the Muslim Brotherhood and that there

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:49.319
<v Speaker 5>was this whole network of Muslim Brotherhood operatives that were

0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:53.960
<v Speaker 5>like running the country and really sort of if you

0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:56.279
<v Speaker 5>squit hard enough, it was like, well, there's a bunch

0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:59.360
<v Speaker 5>of people from the UAE who are kind of involved

0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:02.719
<v Speaker 5>in some off but this is like one of their

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:06.239
<v Speaker 5>they're kind of fusing this old school like old old

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 5>schools allophobic stuff with their like kind of very specific

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:15.320
<v Speaker 5>current contemporary targets. Bye, that's sort of running these two together.

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me, it's rightly. I think Ted Cruz has has

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 1>tried to get the Muslim Brotherhood on the FTO list

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:24.880
<v Speaker 1>like several times. Yeah, there's this old like from like

0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the golden age right wing conspiracies, right, like the Bohemian

0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 1>grove era. That's this idea that yeah, they're on, Like,

0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:32.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like a fifty or one hundred year plan to

0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:36.160
<v Speaker 1>bring the US and the Sharia lore and like, yeah,

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 1>it's it's old, it's it's boomer stuff. Yes, combined with

0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 1>now trying to explicit eld them to hamas right, So yeah,

0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:46.360
<v Speaker 1>that that is great.

0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:49.279
<v Speaker 2>That that's not great. I would agree, James, I think

0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:51.480
<v Speaker 2>that's not great. I'll be brave enough to say it.

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:55.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, it is a it's an assault on the

0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>First Amendment. Like, the the stuff.

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:01.680
<v Speaker 2>The inclusion of care is is like is absolutely outrageous.

0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Ye, KERR is a very respectability for a civil rights

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:06.400
<v Speaker 1>like liberal civil rights.

0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:08.600
<v Speaker 3>They're the least threatening organization in the world.

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, like, and they have advocated for an end

0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:15.040
<v Speaker 1>to the genocide of people in Palestine, which is a

0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 1>perfectly reasonable and legal thing to advocate for. They have

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 1>not expressed support for political violence. Care Is is like

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.839
<v Speaker 1>as as protected by the First Amendment as things can

0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:32.120
<v Speaker 1>be in this country. This is bonkers. So yeah, I

0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:36.719
<v Speaker 1>guess care is already presumably preparing a court case.

0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:42.000
<v Speaker 2>In other Texas news, a three panel judge in Texas

0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 2>just struck down Texas is newly drawn congressional map in

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 2>federal court, with Trump appointed Judge Jeffrey Brown finding that quote,

0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 2>substantial evidence shows that Texas racially gerrymandered the twenty twenty

0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:01.319
<v Speaker 2>five map unquote. The judge has required Texas use its

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 2>previous twenty twenty one map for the upcoming midterm elections.

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:11.120
<v Speaker 2>What's really what's really funny here is that before the

0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 2>elections in November, where the California redistricting measure was up

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:20.799
<v Speaker 2>for vote, Newsom specifically removed language in that measure that

0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 2>framed the California redistricting as a triggering event, as in,

0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.839
<v Speaker 2>if the Texas one passes, then the California one can

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:32.480
<v Speaker 2>go into effect. You've specifically removed this.

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the trigger language.

0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't, which means that California now doesn't wipe down five

0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Republican seats and Texas probably won't be able to do

0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 2>anything about it.

0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:47.680
<v Speaker 1>That's still a challenge the California GOPI also trying to challenge.

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:49.959
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and this Texas case is set to be heard

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:54.680
<v Speaker 2>before the Supreme Court. There's a few other redistricting measures

0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:58.879
<v Speaker 2>I think in Louisiana and in North Carolina. A few

0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 2>other states are trying to do this, But there is

0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 2>a possible future in which Texas is not allowed to

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:09.840
<v Speaker 2>racially jerrymander and California is able to go forward with

0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:14.799
<v Speaker 2>their redistricting because it may not have been specifically violating

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:19.760
<v Speaker 2>this like a racial gerrymandering aspect that Judge Jeffrey Brown

0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:22.760
<v Speaker 2>found was affecting the Texas maps intentionally.

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:27.440
<v Speaker 1>The GOP claim is that California is quote favoring Hispanic voters.

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 1>That's going good. It's gonna be a harder landing to stick, right,

0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:35.520
<v Speaker 1>given that there are Latino people in every square mile

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 1>of California, Like, yeah, it's gonna be a rougher one

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:39.080
<v Speaker 1>for them.

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.160
<v Speaker 2>And specifically, the stuff that Judge Brown found is like

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.640
<v Speaker 2>in the way that these districts were redrawn, it was

0:57:45.680 --> 0:57:48.120
<v Speaker 2>to totally exclude non white voters and some of these

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 2>districts all right.

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.240
<v Speaker 1>One for the train fans in the audience. A section

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:57.000
<v Speaker 1>of railway that connects Warsaw to Lublin in southeastern Poland,

0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:01.080
<v Speaker 1>which then connects onto Ukraine was destroyed by an explosion

0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:04.960
<v Speaker 1>earlier this week. Overhead cables further down the track were

0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:10.640
<v Speaker 1>also damaged. This comes as drone incursions into European space continue.

0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Donald Tusk, the Police Prime Minister, called the ex sabotage,

0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and it seems extremely likely that he is correct about that. Right.

0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess we haven't explicitly covered this on ed very much,

0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:26.960
<v Speaker 1>but there have been dozens of documented Russian operations in

0:58:27.000 --> 0:58:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Europe since the the expanded invasion of Ukraine that began

0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:36.600
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one. What's concerning to me about this

0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:39.080
<v Speaker 1>is that Europe is responding to some of these by

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:43.720
<v Speaker 1>accusing Russia of trying to quote destabilize polities by sending

0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:48.320
<v Speaker 1>migrants there. It's likely true that Russia is messing with

0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:52.640
<v Speaker 1>migration flows. It is demonstrably true in some cases. Right.

0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Responding to this by hardening borders deploying troops to borders

0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:02.720
<v Speaker 1>is not the solution to that problem. Europe's Iron border

0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:07.240
<v Speaker 1>kills more people than any other border, and hardening that

0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 1>border is only going to kill more people. Like if

0:59:09.120 --> 0:59:12.000
<v Speaker 1>you want to be the shining city on a hill, right,

0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 1>if you want to be, I think that title is

0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:16.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe up for grabs. If you want to be the

0:59:16.920 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 1>place that stands out as like a safe place for democracy,

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 1>you don't do that by killing migrants, and so Europe's

0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:28.080
<v Speaker 1>response to this is extremely disappointing, right, and I wanted

0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to highlight that because I don't see that in the coverage. Yes,

0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Russia escalating it's meddling in Europe is extremely concerning. But

0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 1>if we accept that Russia is a totalitarian state or

0:59:40.120 --> 0:59:42.760
<v Speaker 1>going in that direction, then we should also therefore accept

0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 1>that people are going to want to leave that and

0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:48.160
<v Speaker 1>many other states where they cannot have autonomy, where they

0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:51.200
<v Speaker 1>cannot live healthy and full lives, and we should welcome them.

0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Talking of people leaving places where they cannot have autonomy

0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and have full and happy lives, let's talk about immigration

0:59:56.960 --> 1:00:00.920
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Very quickly, border patrol named Gregory

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<v Speaker 1>Bovino have moved their internal enforcement I of Sauron to Charlotte,

1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:11.360
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. Seems in large part due to some racists

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<v Speaker 1>on x dot com demining that they do so. I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't say in large part, I guess in some part

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<v Speaker 1>there has been video already showing Bovino participating in detentions

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<v Speaker 1>at a home depot car park. I've said two words there,

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<v Speaker 1>which of coursed one of my colleagues, a smirky giggle

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<v Speaker 1>at me stand by both of them. So yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>is in part right due to x dot com the

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<v Speaker 1>Everything website being a haven for racism. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's also worth noting in twenty eighteen, Democratic sheriffs in

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<v Speaker 1>five North Carolina counties ran on the platform of not

1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 1>cooperating with ICE. All of these I believe were black sheriffs,

1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and ICE pushed back hard right, including with a billboard campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year, the North Carolina Republican state Legislature over rote

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<v Speaker 1>a Vito to pass AGB ten, which required agencies to

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<v Speaker 1>cooperate with ICE and honor their detainers. A detainer is

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<v Speaker 1>basically when ICE is like, hey, you've arrested this person.

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<v Speaker 1>We want you to hold them for a bit longer

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<v Speaker 1>so we can come pick them up for ICE reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, Meckleberg County Sheriff McFadden has claimed that ICE

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<v Speaker 1>has failed to collect people on detainers one hundred and

1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:27.600
<v Speaker 1>sixty three times. So this will be. They would normally

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<v Speaker 1>have a forty eight hour detainer, right, they're more than

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight extra hours I should come get when they

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<v Speaker 1>are held on the detainer. It is still the state

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<v Speaker 1>that is responsible for them. It is a state that

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<v Speaker 1>is paying for the cost of incarcerating that person, it

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<v Speaker 1>is the state that is still incarcerating that person.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>This has led, I guess, to Republicans claiming the McFadden

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<v Speaker 1>is ignoring his obligation under HB ten. McFadden says he isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He is holding them for the duration of detainer, but

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<v Speaker 1>then releasing them when no one comes to get them. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>This has led to like CIS right, It's Center for

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration Study SBOC has designated it as a hate group.

1:02:03.520 --> 1:02:08.160
<v Speaker 1>CIS has listed Charlotte and Mecklenburg County on its map

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<v Speaker 1>of quote unquote sanctuary jurisdictions. There's a link to the

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<v Speaker 1>map if you want to look at it. They actually

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<v Speaker 1>cite the twenty eighteen policy and don't even mention HB ten.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's unclear to me if they haven't updated this

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<v Speaker 1>map or if they just believe that nothing has changed

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<v Speaker 1>because they believe that HB ten is being ignored. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that might be a lot of the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing this now. Then, finally, I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about something local. Southern California, in Temecula, north of San Diego,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen year old boy was pulled over at gunpoint by

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<v Speaker 1>a man who was known to locals as an ICE agent.

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<v Speaker 1>The man does not appear to have been in his

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<v Speaker 1>professional capacity at this time. Neighbors were able to de

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<v Speaker 1>escalate the situation and get Gerardo Rodriguez, the man in question,

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<v Speaker 1>to stop pointing his gun at the teen. La Tucker

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<v Speaker 1>got video of this. It is wild. The guy is

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<v Speaker 1>just in the middle of the road with a handgun

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<v Speaker 1>point to get at a truck that's driving down the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Rodriguez accuses the young man he's seventeen years old and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to say his name right as a child

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<v Speaker 1>of speeding in the neighborhood, not generally something that warrants

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<v Speaker 1>drawing a firearm. Rodriguez was detained by the Riverside County

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<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's Office. I believe he's bonded out now that this

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<v Speaker 1>is an interesting development. Right elsewhere, like in Santa Ana,

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<v Speaker 1>an agent pulled a gun on a community watch member.

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<v Speaker 1>Fullerton police on the scene did not detain the person.

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<v Speaker 1>They also refuse to assist, right, they just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>were present. But this is one of the few cases

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<v Speaker 1>I'm aware of an Ice agent. There was someone else

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<v Speaker 1>arrested in a who I believe died. I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>was a Border Patrol agent that first unfortunately passed away

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<v Speaker 1>of an overdose. But this is one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>instances I've seen of this right of a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a state federal direct confront where this guy appears to

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<v Speaker 1>have been pseudo claiming that he was acting under his

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<v Speaker 1>authority as an ICE agent. That's not entirely clear to me.

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<v Speaker 1>The young man's parents that rushed a scene with the

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<v Speaker 1>young man's passport, but by that point neighbors had already

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<v Speaker 1>been able to de escalate them. So yeah, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep an eye on this because I think it's interesting.

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