Speaker 1: Old media.
Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly
Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
Speaker 2: and what this means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today
Speaker 2: I am joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Robert Evans.
Speaker 2: This episode recovering the week of November thirteenth to November nineteenth.
Speaker 2: The biggest news I think of this whole week. Jd
Speaker 2: Vance has been sentenced to two years in prison for
Speaker 2: threatening Donald Trump and jd Vance. This is, of course
Speaker 2: James Donald Vance Junior.
Speaker 3: Different jd Vance.
Speaker 2: A sixty seven year old man from Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Speaker 3: Second. Jd Vance has hit the discourse.
Speaker 2: Who's also named Donald, which is phenomenal.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Whop plead a guilty to three criminal accounts based on
Speaker 2: the social media posts about killing the President, the Vice President,
Speaker 2: Elon Musk, and Trump Junior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not good, not a good, ye, Garrison. I would
Speaker 1: quibble that that is a bigger story this week because
Speaker 1: this is the week of couse that Nicki Minaj addressed
Speaker 1: the United Nations.
Speaker 3: And this is a week where years happened.
Speaker 1: Ye Nicki Minaj, if readers are familiar with her. It
Speaker 1: will doubtless be because of her contribution to discourse on
Speaker 1: her cousin's friends testicles. But this this time, she's back
Speaker 1: and she is talking about the perse baby. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what we do here. She's talking about the persecution of
Speaker 1: Christians in Nigeria. Just for listener to another way, Nicki
Speaker 1: Minaj is from Trinidad. Yeah, not at word of any
Speaker 1: particular expertise or insight she has on a topic. But yeah,
Speaker 1: she she did that this week.
Speaker 2: Yep, at the United Nations.
Speaker 3: How did do we know? How she decided that this
Speaker 3: was a problem she needed to get involved.
Speaker 1: She reposted a truth that Donald Trump had made great
Speaker 1: and I've had a great start. I believe they reached
Speaker 1: out on the basis of that. There's some tremendous like
Speaker 1: statements calling her the greatest female recording artist in history. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which sets us up nicely for a Nicki Minaj Dolly
Speaker 1: Parton beef.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I join on the side of Dolly Parton
Speaker 1: in that one.
Speaker 3: It would be hard not to, yep.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess she reposted a thing about a
Speaker 1: truth that led to them reaching out, and she volunteered
Speaker 1: her time to address the United Nations organizations set up
Speaker 1: afterward what to try and prevent genocides. Yeah, outstanding.
Speaker 2: The truth is so beautiful. Yes, speaking of the truth
Speaker 2: and the truth coming to light, we're talking about Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Epstein again, I guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ongoing revelations based on He's this guy's post
Speaker 3: depth career has really been one for the books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really really rivals Michael Jackson in more than
Speaker 2: one way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or Tupac, I would say Tupac.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: It was when when fucking John McAfee died, there were
Speaker 3: all these people being like, oh, he's got you know,
Speaker 3: because his McAfee had lied and said, I've got like
Speaker 3: an insurance folder that'll come out in the event of
Speaker 3: my death that'll, you know, reveal a bunch of top
Speaker 3: level secrets. And John McAfee didn't know shit.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 3: He was a crazy old drug addict who killed his
Speaker 3: nephew and then fled to South America or Central America anyway, whatever,
Speaker 3: one of the America's one of the He fled to
Speaker 3: a different America than the one that he came from anyway.
Speaker 3: But that's actually happening with Jeffrey Epstein, we actually now
Speaker 3: have a lot of dirt on a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Larry Summers just left the board of Open AI because
Speaker 3: he was revealed as a rampant misogynist and friend of
Speaker 3: a pedophile sex trafficker. Not a good look.
Speaker 2: He's also announced that after finishing his current class at Harvard,
Speaker 2: he will be resigning from Harvard University.
Speaker 3: What a loss for Harvard. I don't know how they're
Speaker 3: gonna run.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the biggest low since President Gay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Harvard, if you need someone to teach his class,
Speaker 3: I'll do it. I don't know what his class is.
Speaker 3: I don't actually know what Larry does. We know what
Speaker 3: his expertise is, but I feel like I could do
Speaker 3: a better job. Yeah, bring me in.
Speaker 1: We do know a little bit about what Larry does,
Speaker 1: and that is the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the sex crimes right after recording Executive Disorder
Speaker 2: last week, not the most important, but certainly the oddest
Speaker 2: email was uncovered as a part of that big document's release.
Speaker 2: This is an exchange from twenty eighteen between Mark Epstein
Speaker 2: and Jeffrey Epstein to brothers. Let's start with Mark, how
Speaker 2: are you doing? A while back? You mentioned that you
Speaker 2: were pre diabetic. Has anything changed with that? What is
Speaker 2: your boy Donald up to now? Jeffrey replies, all good,
Speaker 2: and with me. Mark replies, ask him if Putin has
Speaker 2: the photos of Trump blowing Bubba. You know, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to continue the exchange. Yeah, because, Jeffrey replies, and
Speaker 2: I thought I had terrists. Mark replies, you and your
Speaker 2: boy Donnie can make a remake of the movie Get
Speaker 2: Hard sent via tin can and a string.
Speaker 3: Oh god.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey replied, you mean Donnie T. And Mark replied, I'd
Speaker 2: rather be in Donnie D's shoes. That's the exchange.
Speaker 3: Also, what Epstein said was was siris, which is a
Speaker 3: Yiddish word that means like problems, like I got I
Speaker 3: got problems, I got shit, I'm all, I'm all fucked up,
Speaker 3: which he was. He was not wrong about that, look, yep.
Speaker 2: So many people have speculated that this could be a
Speaker 2: reference to former President Bill Clinton, whose nickname was Bubba,
Speaker 2: and whose name is Bubba in some of these other emails,
Speaker 2: or is referred to as pub in some of these
Speaker 2: other emails.
Speaker 3: Which is something that I've seen surprise a lot of people.
Speaker 3: If you grew up in the nineties. You were aware
Speaker 3: that his nickname was Bubba, but he has not been
Speaker 3: called Bubba in a very long time. When he like
Speaker 3: lost all that weight and went vegan and like it
Speaker 3: kind of stopped seeming like as much of a Bubba
Speaker 3: as he did when he was the president. The Saturday
Speaker 3: Night Live made fun of in that great McDonald's sketch.
Speaker 3: But yeah, anyway, continue gare.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how what else there is
Speaker 2: to say here. You know, photos have been recirculating Trump, Yes.
Speaker 1: Bubba gump shrimp, Well, the real.
Speaker 3: Bubba, please stand up.
Speaker 2: Photos have been recirculating of Trump, I would say, groping
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton's penis. Yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: There's more there than you expect, right, yes, yeah, but Bubba.
Speaker 2: Has referred to a few people, including other people like
Speaker 2: in Epstein's circle, like a golf and models. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: Bubba was also the name of Gleaine Maxwell's horse.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm just not hearing this, and that's I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: And here's the thing. I see the appeal to believing
Speaker 3: that this is the answer. I simply don't believe Donald
Speaker 3: Trump ever had that kind of throat game. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I just don't. I just don't accept that.
Speaker 2: This is by far the funniest possibility that he did
Speaker 2: like a joke photo shoot where he like pretetted.
Speaker 3: I could see him doing that.
Speaker 2: This is really understandable. This is like, this is really doable.
Speaker 3: Heaven't we all been there? So that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, take this however you will, Like
Speaker 2: Mark Epstein has denied that the bubba referred to in
Speaker 2: the email is a reference to Bill Clinton, while also
Speaker 2: admitting in this same like interview to a news nation
Speaker 2: and a statement that like, you know, Jeffrey certainly did
Speaker 2: have dirt on the president and thought that he was
Speaker 2: the only one that could sink both candidates career in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, both both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Pretty good chance that's true.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, But he for what it worth is saying
Speaker 2: it's not a reference to Clinton. Who who knows.
Speaker 5: That there's a real sort of you know, if if
Speaker 5: you if you want to do the sort of pop
Speaker 5: Marxist live this, there's a real sort of historical unity
Speaker 5: of the ruling class moment. When you read these emails
Speaker 5: and the people in them, it's like it's Bill Clinton.
Speaker 5: It's Bill Clinton's like the people around Bill Clinton it's
Speaker 5: Ken Starr. And you know, you go back and you
Speaker 5: look at like you look at like the actual like
Speaker 5: impeachment of Bill Clinton, right, and you realize that every
Speaker 5: single one of these people are all friends with Jeffrey
Speaker 5: Epstein and are just kind of hanging out like yeah
Speaker 5: on like on the pedophile island.
Speaker 1: And it's just yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 5: Something that like you couldn't if like the most the
Speaker 5: most sort of on the nose, like I like completely didactic,
Speaker 5: I'm pounding your head with a hammer, like Marxist thing
Speaker 5: from nineteen sixty where they go, Yeah, all of the
Speaker 5: presidents are hanging out on Pedophile Island like consecretly conspiring
Speaker 5: behind your back, and they're taking photos of them like
Speaker 5: grabbing each other's dicks like you wouldn't believe. But it's
Speaker 5: like no, no, no, no, this is just this is just
Speaker 5: the historical unity of the ruling class is literally they're
Speaker 5: all friends with this pedophile Well.
Speaker 3: It's just these are all wealthy, powerful people and the
Speaker 3: only people that they socialize with is each other. You know.
Speaker 3: The New York Times came up with an out with
Speaker 3: an article this week that was like the Epstein emails
Speaker 3: or an insight into an old New York long departed
Speaker 3: or yeah, that was an incredible headline, And yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it was. This was like the transition between all
Speaker 3: of these people writing each other letters and all of
Speaker 3: these people just bitching publicly on the internet, openly and
Speaker 3: losing their minds. Like the awkward interstittle period was them
Speaker 3: all emailing each other from their iPads. Right, So, to
Speaker 3: that extent, the New York Times article is right, not
Speaker 3: the main takeaway from the Jeffrey Epstein emails, I would say,
Speaker 3: probably not worth an article in the Times, but it's
Speaker 3: not wrong technically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a fascinating thing to choose to.
Speaker 2: Go Yeah, that poor horse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit. It's a little bit like
Speaker 3: a journalist showing up in Berlin in late nineteen forty
Speaker 3: five and like going through like papers in the ruins
Speaker 3: of the Reichstag and being like, wow, this really reveals
Speaker 3: a lost to Berlin. It was like, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's really the point.
Speaker 2: The other comments on on Bubba.
Speaker 1: Did anyone ask guys his brother about the Holtz?
Speaker 2: I don't believe Mark has been asked about the horse.
Speaker 3: Mark is in a not that I have a ton
Speaker 3: of sympathy for this guy, but just recognizing things objectively.
Speaker 3: He's in a tough position because his brother was an
Speaker 3: incredibly famous he's a file sex trafficker. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: is desperately trying not to get disappeared by the regime
Speaker 3: or he also knows what'll come after the regime, so
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to set himself in a self up
Speaker 3: in a way where he gets in trouble from that either, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's a legitimately complicated situation he finds himself in
Speaker 3: that his brother just kind of laughed for him. And again,
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of sympathy for the man,
Speaker 3: but I can recognize it because he also said at
Speaker 3: the same time he was like this definitely was not him,
Speaker 3: referring to Donald Trump giving a blowjob to Bill Clinton.
Speaker 3: He did also say that he believed that the Republicans
Speaker 3: were removing the names Republicans from the Epstein files before release. Right,
Speaker 3: So he's he has been like hedging his bets because
Speaker 3: again he's in a lot of danger. Yeah, this man,
Speaker 3: this man is in trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would not be granted infused if I was him,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 3: Be I wouldn't say shit, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like literally under the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I would, for one thing, not be
Speaker 3: in a country that extradited.
Speaker 6: I would.
Speaker 3: I would never set foot in a country with extradition
Speaker 3: treaties to the Western world. Again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the next strike in Venezuela will be Mark Epstein.
Speaker 3: I would be living in Tehran right now.
Speaker 2: Like, let's talk about Marjorie Trader Green.
Speaker 3: Sure, why not? Yeah, so Marjorie Taylor Green is part
Speaker 3: of the resistance.
Speaker 2: Now hashtag welcome to the Resistance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's very like and Or.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's like that point in and Or where the
Speaker 3: person and who did nothing but help Emperor Palpatine suddenly
Speaker 3: at the last minute was like, you know what, this
Speaker 3: guy want to step too far from me, you know?
Speaker 2: Or A, Actually I hate Jewish too much that.
Speaker 3: I think that's the I think that's the reality.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if there was an analog for anti
Speaker 1: Semitism in the Star Wars universe.
Speaker 3: That I wasn't Well, you probably don't want to, you
Speaker 3: know what.
Speaker 1: I've asked the wrong people.
Speaker 2: Right now, you have three hours, James.
Speaker 3: In the early two thousands, George Lucas invented some names
Speaker 3: that are themselves hate crimes. Just be remembering the names
Speaker 3: is a hate crime.
Speaker 2: James, Do you want to read about the Troydarians.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm as far as I get into into
Speaker 1: Star Wars Bigotrey discourse is Jia Juo Binks and after
Speaker 1: that I leave.
Speaker 2: Well from the same movie.
Speaker 6: But no.
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, Marjorie has been more combative against some of
Speaker 2: the you know, Trump cultist mega right on a few issues.
Speaker 2: One she's extended her already evidenced anti Semitism, a lah
Speaker 2: Jewish space lasers towards foreign policy in this like America First,
Speaker 2: Nick fuent Tzi way of being critical of Israel. You
Speaker 2: see seeds of this because like Martin Tyler Green like
Speaker 2: attended the Nick Fointes America First conferences like four years ago,
Speaker 2: Like this is this this side of it not a
Speaker 2: surprising turn for her. Her finally flipping on Trump in
Speaker 2: terms of the pedophile stuff may be a little bit
Speaker 2: surprising because she was the original like QAnon candidate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and QAnon's built on this, like trying to justify in
Speaker 2: some ways Trump's proximity to Epstein by building this grand narrative.
Speaker 3: And she made a statement recently that she's no longer
Speaker 3: all in on the Q stuff right like she had
Speaker 3: she is. This is a pivot for her, but it's
Speaker 3: a pivot that's pretty consistent with you know, her anti sense.
Speaker 2: And it makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes sense
Speaker 2: with with with the Israel foreign policy stuff. It also
Speaker 2: makes sense in terms of Trump's made a a lot
Speaker 2: more statements directly addressing this Epstein stuff, which kind of
Speaker 2: does call into question some of like the Q narratives,
Speaker 2: which for someone like Marjorie might actually get her to
Speaker 2: kind of reflect on some of some of like this
Speaker 2: Trump cultish status that she's had for a while. This
Speaker 2: has frustrated Trump, and you know, Trump's also been frustrated
Speaker 2: with other members like Lauren Bobert and other like congress
Speaker 2: people who were pledging to vote in support of the
Speaker 2: release of the Epstein files. And this pressure was building
Speaker 2: a lot last week during this like twenty thousand document
Speaker 2: release and all this new news coverage and as these
Speaker 2: as more and more Republicans bean to deflect from Trump
Speaker 2: over the release of the Epstein files. Trump himself flipped
Speaker 2: his rhetoric over this past weekend, still calling the debate
Speaker 2: over the files a Democrat hoax, but truthing that the
Speaker 2: files should be released because we quote unquote have nothing
Speaker 2: to hide, and he called on Republicans to vote in
Speaker 2: favor of the bill to release the Epstein files, which
Speaker 2: they did on Tuesday in a four hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: seven to one vote, with Representative Clay Higgins, the Republican
Speaker 2: from Louisiana, the only congressman to vote no. Hours later,
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer unanimously passed the measure through the Senate. Mike
Speaker 2: Johnson had previously expected the Senate to amend the bill
Speaker 2: to quote make sure we don't do permanent damage to
Speaker 2: the political system unquote, and after its passage through the Senate,
Speaker 2: Johnson seemed quite worried that it went through the upper
Speaker 2: chambers in its current form. And I want to play
Speaker 2: this clip here because it's kind of shocking to hear him,
Speaker 2: hear him freak out.
Speaker 5: And before we say this, you owe it to yourself
Speaker 5: as a person to go actually look at this clip
Speaker 5: and watch his face.
Speaker 2: It is amazing.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I haven't seen this. I'm excited.
Speaker 2: It'll be in the sources below.
Speaker 3: Action to lead your foond.
Speaker 2: Are you seeing the bill without adding amendments or changing it.
Speaker 7: I am. I am deeply disappointed in this outcome. I
Speaker 7: think I'm told I've been at the state dinner.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I was just told that Chuck Schumer rushed it to
Speaker 7: the floor and put it out there preemptively. It needed amendments.
Speaker 7: I just spoke to President about that. We'll see what happened.
Speaker 2: So is he do you think he may beat on it?
Speaker 3: You say you spoke, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 8: Is he supportive of it in its current form?
Speaker 7: We both have concerned about it, So we'll see.
Speaker 2: As I was staying there with the.
Speaker 4: Crown transmitting call, are you frustrating on the Majority leader?
Speaker 5: Are you uptime with.
Speaker 3: The Majority leader?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 3: Nice?
Speaker 2: What a what a normal?
Speaker 8: What a normal interaction That is also also worth the
Speaker 8: very end of that video, he says I was eating
Speaker 8: with the Crown Prince because he is again walking out
Speaker 8: of a state dinner with one Mohamed bin Selmond.
Speaker 1: The yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Don't even list of war crimes here, the suit, may child, soldier, exterminator,
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But no, it's safe to say that both Johnson and
Speaker 2: President Trump have concerns about the state of the bill
Speaker 2: and Johnson seemed a little bit wishy washy on if
Speaker 2: the President would even sign this or veto this. Now,
Speaker 2: it's not all bad for the president. I oh, I'd
Speaker 2: like to seal Donnie j wiggle his way out of
Speaker 2: this jam. This bill that has passed does allow Attorney
Speaker 2: General and Bondy to withhold or redact portions of the
Speaker 2: files that could jeopardize active federal investigations and personally determine
Speaker 2: if information in the files should remain classified to protect
Speaker 2: national security. The last weekend, Trump ordered Bondy to launch
Speaker 2: investigations looking into connection between Epstein and prominent Democratic politicians
Speaker 2: and donors. Here's clip from a Wednesday, November nineteenth press conference.
Speaker 6: Jurnity General, do you mean that you will provide all
Speaker 6: the files by thirty days?
Speaker 4: We will follow the law. The law passed both chambers
Speaker 4: last evening. It has not yet been signed, but we
Speaker 4: will continue to follow the law again while protecting victims,
Speaker 4: but also providing maximum transparency.
Speaker 6: To that mad Maternity General. The DLJ statement earlier this
Speaker 6: year saying that the files would not release mention the
Speaker 6: fact that the review of the documents and the evidence
Speaker 6: did not suggest that any additional investigation of third parties
Speaker 6: was warranted. What changed since then that you launched this investigation?
Speaker 4: Information that has come for information, there's information that new information,
Speaker 4: additional information, and again we will continue to follow the
Speaker 4: law to investigate any leads. If there are any victims,
Speaker 4: we encourage all victims to come forward, and we will
Speaker 4: continue to provide maximum transparency under the law.
Speaker 2: Very normal, very normal response.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, Yeah, that's that doesn't sound sketchy.
Speaker 5: I have never, at any point in the last eight years,
Speaker 5: twelve years, however long we've been in this hellscap, been
Speaker 5: a been a pistape believer. This looking at these people's
Speaker 5: faces is the closest I've ever been to being like, no,
Speaker 5: maybe that shit's real, and maybe it's in there, because
Speaker 5: there's clearly something in there that they are just they're
Speaker 5: just going through it.
Speaker 1: Yes's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of these guys seem to seem a little
Speaker 2: bit concerned.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I wonder why, surely there's no.
Speaker 2: I mean, imagine the workload ahead of them. They have
Speaker 2: to redact so much. Yeah, I have to get so
Speaker 2: many of those markers. Imagine how tired their risks are
Speaker 2: going to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that feeling when you come back from
Speaker 3: a reporting trip and you're like, now I have to
Speaker 3: do the job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I'm familiar with that feeling.
Speaker 2: Do you know what we have to do right now? Ads?
Speaker 2: It's pivot to ads.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, let's go ahead and do that and we're back.
Speaker 2: Now. I would like to take some time to discuss
Speaker 2: probably the second most important news story of the whole week,
Speaker 2: do It Sure, which is totally not a hail Mary
Speaker 2: distraction to get away from the Epstein stuff. This is
Speaker 2: totally legitimate and totally newsworthy. On Monday, November seventeenth, a
Speaker 2: piece in the prestigious outlet The New York Post opinion
Speaker 2: section provided earth shattering relevations revelations care that's the word
Speaker 2: about the attempted Trump assassination, claiming to have discovered evidence
Speaker 2: that Thomas Crooks, the shooter, had two possible accounts on
Speaker 2: Devian Art.
Speaker 9: Which, yeah, this really is the biggest story, which the
Speaker 9: post New York Post describes as quote one of the
Speaker 9: biggest online hubs for furry art and the furry community.
Speaker 2: A furry is someone who has an interest in mormorphized
Speaker 2: animal characters, often as a sexual fetish.
Speaker 3: Unquote every time.
Speaker 2: Later reporting in The New York Post claimed that one
Speaker 2: of these accounts had only shared a single post quote
Speaker 2: a repost of a towering, muscular female bodybuilder and a
Speaker 2: slight man in his underwear unquote and quote. Multiple searches
Speaker 2: for muscular women and female bodybuilders were found on Crook's
Speaker 2: supposed YouTube search history.
Speaker 3: He's a real pervert, then excellent, yes, beautiful quote.
Speaker 2: Oh it's not it's oh, Robert, that's That's not even
Speaker 2: the worst part. The furry stuff obviously problematic considering our
Speaker 2: past few furry mass shooters. Is maybe a trend here.
Speaker 2: We should look into this. But possibly the most damning
Speaker 2: piece of information in the New York Post reporting is
Speaker 2: that Crooks quote described himself with the pronouns they them
Speaker 2: on the platform Debian art, which is one of the
Speaker 2: biggest hubs for furry art and the furry community. This
Speaker 2: became the big thing among the right. Another trans shooter,
Speaker 2: the Trump the Trump assassin was trans the whole time,
Speaker 2: and we didn't even know. The FBI covered up the
Speaker 2: trans connection. Here. It's all coming together more more red
Speaker 2: string on the board. The trans the trans shooter narrative
Speaker 2: is growing more and more evident. By the day.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: This, this is the way that this was framed across
Speaker 2: all of these all these commentators.
Speaker 10: Who's the president right now is supposed to work?
Speaker 1: At the time they investigated, Biden would have been president
Speaker 1: right or they began their investigation.
Speaker 2: The New York Post did reach out to the current
Speaker 2: FBI for comment. They did not receive a response.
Speaker 1: Deep State.
Speaker 2: The New York Posts reporting like in these in these
Speaker 2: opinion pieces, and I think later an article they did
Speaker 2: did later include references to quote violently anti Semitic comments
Speaker 2: and racist remarks about Hispanic immigrants.
Speaker 1: Hmm, that seems Thomas Crooks.
Speaker 2: Also made, including YouTube comments from twenty nineteen quote, this
Speaker 2: is going to be blatantly racist. But I hope Trump
Speaker 2: has these people a squad murdered.
Speaker 3: Oh great.
Speaker 2: I always believed being patriotic was lighting up a bunch
Speaker 2: of socialist Jews like the ones that booed Trump and
Speaker 2: blasting their useless brains out with an ar I hope
Speaker 2: a quick, painful death to all the deplorable immigrants and
Speaker 2: anti Trump congresswomen unquote. Obviously, the right wing commentators are
Speaker 2: not talking about this sort of stuff. They're not talking
Speaker 2: about Crook's actual politics or political shifts during the pandemic
Speaker 2: where he started getting kind of more Trump critical, but
Speaker 2: still from a conservative perspective. Instead, the story is now
Speaker 2: to quote libs of TikTok, Charlie Kirk killer furry fetish,
Speaker 2: Trump shooter, furry fetish, Idaho firefighter killer furry fetish, what's
Speaker 2: going on? Right wing podcaster and disgraced BuzzFeed journalist Benny
Speaker 2: Johnson quote it has now been confirmed that attempted Trump
Speaker 2: assass and Thomas Crooks used they them pronouns, had a
Speaker 2: deep interest in furries and was exploring gender identity. Add
Speaker 2: it to the list. This list is then a list
Speaker 2: of both real and many not real quote unquote trans
Speaker 2: mass shooters. Another account in d C. Draino, who was
Speaker 2: part of the White House photo op team during the
Speaker 2: initial fake release of the fake Epstein files, not that
Speaker 2: the files were fake, but like this fake meetia UH
Speaker 2: presentation around releasing the already released and actually even more
Speaker 2: redacted versions of already public files. Dcudrena was one of
Speaker 2: these guys who was like paraded around as like a
Speaker 2: prop holding up these binders of files. He posted quote
Speaker 2: it is now confirmed the deep state tried to cover
Speaker 2: up that Thomas Crooks was a transgender extremist, to use
Speaker 2: the then pronouns and then shot President Trump. We need
Speaker 2: a massive crackdown against violent trans extremism. This sort of
Speaker 2: stuff is losing steam. This sort of stuff is not
Speaker 2: spreading around the way that it has been previously. It's
Speaker 2: very clear that this is a blatant distraction away from
Speaker 2: unflattering stories about Trump in terms of the economy and
Speaker 2: specifically Epstein and all of this. Uh. You know, you
Speaker 2: might be wondering why maybe no other outlets of picking
Speaker 2: this stuff up, and that could be due to the
Speaker 2: dubious nature of the New York Posts sourcing on these claims,
Speaker 2: but also the fact that devian art automatically lists the
Speaker 2: user's pronouns as they them as the default setting. If
Speaker 2: pronouns are not specified, this is the setting that everyone gets.
Speaker 2: You have to actively try to change it. There is
Speaker 2: no indication Thomas Crooks specifically set pronouns to theay them.
Speaker 2: He is not a transgender extremist. He, like many gen
Speaker 2: Z people, is aware of furry art online. This is
Speaker 2: very common. This is a very common thing. But the
Speaker 2: post had a few other things They try to try
Speaker 2: to wrap this story around to give it some credibility,
Speaker 2: including this post from the Devian art alleged to belong
Speaker 2: to Thomas Crooks, which is a picture of someone shooting
Speaker 2: someone else in the head, which your post calls another
Speaker 2: artwork appear to feature a shooting against a backdrop of
Speaker 2: the trans flag colors. This is not the trans flag,
Speaker 2: nor the trans flag colors. This is a blue and
Speaker 2: purple background. What purple is not in the transflag colors.
Speaker 2: You can maybe argue this is magenta maybe, but this
Speaker 2: is not a transflag. This is not an LGBTQ pride flag.
Speaker 2: This isn't even the bisexual flag, which does use these
Speaker 2: same colors. This is just like a sky blue and
Speaker 2: a magenta purple backdrop, which they are trying to frame
Speaker 2: as further evidence of Thomas Krook's transgender ties. But what
Speaker 2: is kind of interesting is as a part of the
Speaker 2: social media accounts alleged to be linked to Crooks that
Speaker 2: have appeared in new reporting from both The New York
Speaker 2: Post and Tucker Carlson's own news outlet, But as a
Speaker 2: part of this reporting on Crook's possible online background included
Speaker 2: a collection of search results or like search history from
Speaker 2: April of twenty nineteen to May of twenty twenty, which
Speaker 2: lines up with stuff that me and Robert have been
Speaker 2: talking about for a while in that this guy seemed
Speaker 2: to have the ideology or non ideology of a school shooter.
Speaker 2: This is the actual through line across this act of violence.
Speaker 2: These searches include quote crazy chemical reactions, deadliest mass shootings
Speaker 2: in the world, people attacking pride parades, cars running over protesters,
Speaker 2: getting away with racism, best places for a mass shooting,
Speaker 2: Pulse nightclub, Pulse nightclub, police body camera, mass shooting, El
Speaker 2: Paso mass shooting, Trump civil war, Trump church shooting video,
Speaker 2: guns versus protesters, Orlando shooting reaction. Why I'm missing handgun?
Speaker 2: Firing an air fifteen as fast as possible, fertilizer bomb.
Speaker 2: How do you use a tourniquit? How to make napalm
Speaker 2: Maltov cocktail? How to make maltov cocktail mixing ghasoline with styrofoam,
Speaker 2: Mass shooting, Canada, Oklahoma bombing sniper in Dallas shooting.
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, who's in real trouble? Hitting with his pistol huh.
Speaker 1: And his rifle.
Speaker 3: It turns out probably choking up to your much on
Speaker 3: the trigger.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, many such cases. Yeah yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: that's a pretty clear theme that you've established there, Garrison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you see this in some way
Speaker 2: being like a not necessarily an actual precursor, but in
Speaker 2: the same vein that some of these like TCC people
Speaker 2: later would you know, start developing these past few years,
Speaker 2: and it's just obsession with doing violence. This subsception with
Speaker 2: mass killings, with bombings, and some of it takes the
Speaker 2: form of like you know, what looks like political violence,
Speaker 2: like the Oklahoma City bombing, but a lot of it
Speaker 2: is is very nihilistic. That's all I have on the
Speaker 2: explosive reporting from the New York Post.
Speaker 3: Great, great.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to segue from that list of
Speaker 2: Google searches to tariff talk, but you know what I've
Speaker 2: been searching for is this music locking jazz bomb, rocking jazz,
Speaker 2: sorry lacking.
Speaker 3: Rocket Jazz, Bob Rocket jazz boy.
Speaker 5: So this is actually a very this has been a
Speaker 5: very very light week on tariff news. It is almost
Speaker 5: entirely composed of people arguing about whether you're going to
Speaker 5: get the tariff check, which no, you're not. You're not
Speaker 5: going to get a check from the government with teriff money.
Speaker 5: It's just not happening. So I thought, I thought I'd
Speaker 5: take a second to pull out and look at some
Speaker 5: of the macro stuff that's.
Speaker 2: Happening in the economy and.
Speaker 5: Look at why it feels like a recession even though
Speaker 5: there isn't one. And the answer is that you and me,
Speaker 5: and everyone in this room and probably most of the
Speaker 5: people's sister keep listening to this podcast, are effectively in
Speaker 5: a recession. And the reason I can say this is
Speaker 5: that there's there's pretty good numbers from the Harvard economists
Speaker 5: Jason Furman, who points out that if you if you
Speaker 5: look at so okay, so recession is is three consecutive
Speaker 5: quarters of negative GDP growth, right, And this is not
Speaker 5: like a perfect economic indicator, but you know, Jason Furrin
Speaker 5: points out, ninety two percent of GDP growth in the
Speaker 5: first half of this year is in a category that's
Speaker 5: called information processing equipment and software. And so, okay, what
Speaker 5: is that? That is all data center it's all data
Speaker 5: center construction.
Speaker 2: It is ninety two percent of all of our GP growth.
Speaker 3: Well, the good news is that, for example, Oracle didn't
Speaker 3: just make a big deal with open AI to provide
Speaker 3: them with computing resources, and after making this three hundred
Speaker 3: billion dollar deal has dropped three hundred and fifteen billion
Speaker 3: dollars in valuation. That didn't happen obviously, Like these are
Speaker 3: things are good in an AI world. There's not a
Speaker 3: bunch of people pulling their money out of Nvidia as
Speaker 3: fast as they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah one of them again, Peter Deal pulling his money
Speaker 5: out right now, getting all.
Speaker 2: His shit out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get your shipped out. Fucking Michael Burry is now
Speaker 3: shorting the ass.
Speaker 5: Okay, I will say this, The Michael Burry short thing
Speaker 5: is literally the only thing that I've ran into that
Speaker 5: actually makes me be like that. Like Michael Burry versus
Speaker 5: the AI industry is like really truly is the great
Speaker 5: duel of the stoppable force and the movable object. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like that's who're not dealing with like world rending titans here.
Speaker 3: But you know, but we are. We are going to
Speaker 3: get a sequel to The Big Short that's going to
Speaker 3: really struggle to be entertaining because with the Big Short,
Speaker 3: what was fun was these guys realizing how fucked the
Speaker 3: this like system based on like really bad like tranches
Speaker 3: of debt and how badly it was going to fuck
Speaker 3: the economy and with AI it's just going to be
Speaker 3: like literally everyone in the world except for the people
Speaker 3: in media and politics, being like the same, like a
Speaker 3: fucking grift. This seems bad and them all being like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: bro trusts me, no no no, And then it all
Speaker 3: goes to ship. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a full episode about this to
Speaker 2: some point.
Speaker 5: There's a really good interview on a on a Bloomberg
Speaker 5: podcast called Odd Thoughts with its kind of Paul Katrowski
Speaker 5: who points out that well, ay, he has a great
Speaker 5: line but calling this like the super bubble basically where
Speaker 5: it's it's every single kind of speculative bubble rolled into
Speaker 5: one because all these data centers are being financed with
Speaker 5: like the with the equivalent of mortgage backed securities.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, these are these are subprime loans for tech companies, right,
Speaker 3: Like that's that's what's financing all of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then these buildings. Right.
Speaker 5: It's also it's also a real estate bubble because all
Speaker 5: of these data centers are taking a ridiculous amount of
Speaker 5: real estate. There's a tech bubble, and the single thing
Speaker 5: that and again, we're going to do a longer episode
Speaker 5: about this later. The single thing that's the most unhinged
Speaker 5: to me about this, and it's you know, even even
Speaker 5: excluding the fact that you know, all of these processors
Speaker 5: that they're using these data centers burned out after about
Speaker 5: a year and a half because they're just running them constantly,
Speaker 5: is that if you look at like the housing collapse
Speaker 5: in two thousand and eight, right, and you look at
Speaker 5: what was underlying all of those bad assets, there were
Speaker 5: houses there right at the end of the day, all
Speaker 5: of these banks can go in and they can take
Speaker 5: your house, and that's really bad obviously, But what is
Speaker 5: the underlying assets for all of these tranches of all
Speaker 5: these tranches of debt. The underlying asset that you're supposed
Speaker 5: to be taking, you know that that's supposed to be
Speaker 5: the collateral is compute power.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, no, it seems fine just because people can live
Speaker 1: in the computer power and that we all need to
Speaker 1: live in a computer power, So it's fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, the the bad news is things are going
Speaker 3: to be really bad for a lot of people. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and they already are probably most people, and they're going
Speaker 3: to get worse. The good news is once we get
Speaker 3: past you know, if if this is the way the
Speaker 3: dot com bubble went right, once we get past this
Speaker 3: crash that's brought on by you know a mix of
Speaker 3: greed and insanity and ignorance and lies, then we can
Speaker 3: finally get to the Internet changing society in only positive ways,
Speaker 3: which is what happened after the dot com bubble. You know,
Speaker 3: we got Facebook, we got Google, we got Twitter, we
Speaker 3: got Instagram, we got all of these great apps that
Speaker 3: have made our lives nothing better but better, you know.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking.
Speaker 2: Forward forget get her.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be ferries, I wasn't with the.
Speaker 3: Dvn RT exactly. How would we know who was without
Speaker 3: deviant and what their pronouns may have been.
Speaker 5: I do want to make a serious note about this
Speaker 5: because I've seen a lot of who compare this to
Speaker 5: the dot com bubble, and this is so much worse
Speaker 5: because the dot com bubble and you look at the
Speaker 5: telecom bubble afterwards, right, there were actual assets there, right,
Speaker 5: you know, like the only way people talk about this
Speaker 5: is like.
Speaker 3: There was pets dot com, but there was real stuff too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And you know what a telecom bubble goes under, right,
Speaker 5: there's still a whole bunch of like fiber optic networks
Speaker 5: that they've set up that you could get you know, people,
Speaker 5: people with a bunch of money afterwards can come scrape up.
Speaker 5: And there's there's a material basis something.
Speaker 3: Here these data centers, there's they're not practical if the
Speaker 3: because and this is what the reason, because our colleague
Speaker 3: at Zetron had a big scoop last week that's getting
Speaker 3: a shitload of attention right now for good reason, which
Speaker 3: is that inference cost has been raising consistently for open Ai,
Speaker 3: which is increasing their like it's fucking their margins and
Speaker 3: it's increasing their losses, which is why they keep losing
Speaker 3: more money each quarter. And the idea behind why people
Speaker 3: thought open ai could be a good business is that
Speaker 3: these inference costs, which is basically how the cost that
Speaker 3: it takes to keep making the models better, right, that
Speaker 3: that was going to decline once they hit a certain
Speaker 3: level that like you're not going to need to it's
Speaker 3: it's super expensive to get the models to a point
Speaker 3: where they're good. But once they're good, then they get
Speaker 3: to be really cheap. And that's not really true based
Speaker 3: on the data that we have and they were lying
Speaker 3: about it kind of you know, they were not in
Speaker 3: a way that was legally actionable. They're not a publicly
Speaker 3: traded company that were not required to release this to
Speaker 3: the public. It does seem like they were honest with
Speaker 3: their investors, like Microsoft, right, they were lying to us,
Speaker 3: right to regular people, in order to pretend this was
Speaker 3: a business that had a lot better of a shot
Speaker 3: of being successful in the way it needs to be.
Speaker 3: The problem with AI as a money thing is not
Speaker 3: that there's no profit in this. It's not that there's
Speaker 3: no use for any of these tools. There are many
Speaker 3: uses and there are many potential businesses. It's that none
Speaker 3: of them equal trillion dollars, which is what the minimum
Speaker 3: that they need to be profitable, right, And these data
Speaker 3: centers are all based on the bet that no, no, actually,
Speaker 3: this is a multi trillion dollar industry and we need
Speaker 3: this much compute, right.
Speaker 5: And this is this is the greatest misallocation of capital
Speaker 5: in human history. There has never been anything like this.
Speaker 5: There has never been crazy this much of the capital
Speaker 5: on Earth poured into nothing because there's there's not there's
Speaker 5: not even physical assets left, right.
Speaker 2: The physical assets are burned out, graphics.
Speaker 3: Cards, because a lot of these data centers aren't built
Speaker 3: and they don't last. Ye, right, that we're going to
Speaker 3: do like, yes, they have a building, they have a
Speaker 3: building you can run power to, but the graphics cards
Speaker 3: don't last.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, and at the end of this, right,
Speaker 5: it's you. You have a bunch of buildings that don't
Speaker 5: do anything attached to like extremely expensive diesel generators.
Speaker 2: And I am praying.
Speaker 5: The one thing that makes me be like, I hope
Speaker 5: this goes down quickly is that I am praying that
Speaker 5: this bubble goes down before they actually start trying to
Speaker 5: build nuclear like really truly get off the ground building
Speaker 5: a bunch of nuclear reactors, because can you imagine these
Speaker 5: guys who created a computer that can't win at chess
Speaker 5: trying to build nuclear reactors.
Speaker 3: I think we should let them do it. I agreed
Speaker 3: to fuck it. Why not? Why not?
Speaker 2: Long for Stalker?
Speaker 3: No, I mean it's one of the this is like,
Speaker 3: the point that is meaningful here is that after the
Speaker 3: dot com bubble, you were able to have a massive
Speaker 3: boom that created a bunch of wealth. It created wealth
Speaker 3: doing things that were often super bad for society, but
Speaker 3: it created a shitload of wealth because real infrastructure had
Speaker 3: been put in place that actually enabled the whole country
Speaker 3: to get connected. It enabled the birth of like the
Speaker 3: mobile computing revolution whatnot, because a lot of groundwork had
Speaker 3: been laid that was really meaningful. Even though a number
Speaker 3: of the business is involved in it didn't work out.
Speaker 3: And that's really not what we're seeing, because it's hard
Speaker 3: to imagine assuming there's not a multi trillion dollar need
Speaker 3: for AI, assuming everyone isn't going to do everything for
Speaker 3: the rest of their lives through AI agents and do
Speaker 3: all of their thinking through chat GPT, unless that's the reality,
Speaker 3: wherein these are not good investments. And the only thing
Speaker 3: I can compare it to in terms of what you
Speaker 3: were saying to me about this being like the worst
Speaker 3: allegation of capital in history, because I've been reading a
Speaker 3: lot about like the nuclear arms race, and it was
Speaker 3: one of those things where you go from we've dropped
Speaker 3: tens of thousands of bombs over the course of five
Speaker 3: years to if we were to accidentally launch these ten missiles,
Speaker 3: it would be more explosive power than has ever been
Speaker 3: detonated in the entire history of human war added together
Speaker 3: up to the present moment. Right like that that is
Speaker 3: the because of and part of this was enabled by
Speaker 3: the actual like Internet boom, right, the one that brought
Speaker 3: about Web two point zero in the social media era, Right,
Speaker 3: Like all of that wealth and all of the money
Speaker 3: that poured into these vcs who'd gotten on board companies
Speaker 3: like Facebook that had to be created to allow something
Speaker 3: this irrational, because twenty years ago, if the technology had
Speaker 3: been there, there wouldn't have been the money to enable
Speaker 3: this kind of insanity. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and I think the last thing, I mean, I guess,
Speaker 5: I guess there's two more things that I want to
Speaker 5: say about this. One is is that you know, this
Speaker 5: is also part of the cyclical economic crisis that we've
Speaker 5: been looking at since the seventies, which is that one
Speaker 5: of the ways you get these bubbles is that there
Speaker 5: are suddenly these unbelievably massive trillion dollar pool like trillions
Speaker 5: of dollars of pools of capital that you're trying to
Speaker 5: find something to invest in, right, you have to reproduce it.
Speaker 5: And this is one of the things that causes, for example,
Speaker 5: the Third World debt crisis in the seventies, is all
Speaker 5: of this capital flows into all of these there will
Speaker 5: debt things.
Speaker 2: It eventually.
Speaker 5: This is one of the things that powers first the
Speaker 5: Japanese giant housing bubble that they did that caused the
Speaker 5: Asian market collapse in the early nineties, and then cost
Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, is that there's all of these
Speaker 5: pools of capital they.
Speaker 2: Have to turn into more capital, and they can't do it.
Speaker 5: And when they can't do it, you get two thousand
Speaker 5: and eight, right, And they've been able to sort of
Speaker 5: hang on for about a decade, a decade and a
Speaker 5: half ish roughly, because there was so much money coming
Speaker 5: in from this tech sector.
Speaker 2: But everyone outside of the tech sector it sucks. It's bad.
Speaker 5: So this is part of the reason why everything feels
Speaker 5: unhinged right now, right, Like, Okay, there's obviously kind of
Speaker 5: a problem with trying to track employment data just by
Speaker 5: seeing news of firings, because companies just do firings because
Speaker 5: it makes their stocks go up, because it makes investors
Speaker 5: think they're being more efficient, which is nonsense, but it's
Speaker 5: why it feels like this is why you feel broke.
Speaker 5: And everyone is like talking about how the economy is growing,
Speaker 5: and it's like, well, yeah, this really small sector of
Speaker 5: tech has accumulated an unfathomable amount of wealth and they
Speaker 5: are getting very, very.
Speaker 2: Rich, and everyone else is fucked.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: And when this bubble collapse, when these people take all
Speaker 5: of the money they got out of tech and have
Speaker 5: thrown it into the metaverse and AI, when that blows up,
Speaker 5: it is going to be cataclysmic, and we're getting closer
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. The only one of them that will be
Speaker 3: left is Gabe Newell sitting on his yes, finally releasing
Speaker 3: Half Life three.
Speaker 5: He could he could probably appoint himself to kidder for
Speaker 5: life after that light.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll be the only one with money left. What
Speaker 3: else all of the money and gave Newle's pockets. The
Speaker 3: only asset is esteem. We've had, We've we've had it
Speaker 3: replaced the military. Now, this is a basically the plot
Speaker 3: of Yu gi Oh. Yeah you think I'm joking, I'm
Speaker 3: actually no. I I never paid attention to the U
Speaker 3: gi Yeah.
Speaker 5: The plot of Yu gi Oh is the card game
Speaker 5: becomes so profitable that the guy who runs the card
Speaker 5: game company fights a battle with all the entire Builty
Speaker 5: industrial complex and defeats them because he's making more money
Speaker 5: than they are.
Speaker 3: So okay, yeah, I guess I think that's that that
Speaker 3: sounds better than what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, we can't get his fine with that.
Speaker 1: Mentoring tulip mania, Yeah yeah, share the perfect historical comparison, right,
Speaker 1: No one, you can eat a tulip bowl if you
Speaker 1: have to think they're poisonous.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can eat a bole.
Speaker 5: I shouldn't say that, but they're more edible than a
Speaker 5: graphics card.
Speaker 2: Mia is telling every listener to go out and find
Speaker 2: a tula bowl, then eat it.
Speaker 5: Putting this on my tombstone more, oh, and a graphics card,
Speaker 5: do it side by side.
Speaker 1: Don't do this, don't do that. If you have you
Speaker 1: can tag near on blue Sky, I write, okay, send
Speaker 1: her a picture of your face post tulip. If you've
Speaker 1: eaten one that, don't eat one on our account. Uh.
Speaker 1: Talking of other things not to do? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: fuck it. Kit's an ad for culips. All Right, we're back,
Speaker 1: and I am going to talk about a number of things.
Speaker 1: I guess the first thing I should talk about is
Speaker 1: the sanctions and fto's designation for various leftist groups in Europe.
Speaker 1: There are four entities that the State Department has announced
Speaker 1: they've already been sanctioned, and I believe they'll be added
Speaker 1: to the FTO list either sad Day or tomorrow as
Speaker 1: we're recording this, so it'll be on the Foreign Terrorist
Speaker 1: Organization list by the time you hear this on Friday.
Speaker 1: The four entities are called Anti for oust aka Hammerbund
Speaker 1: hammer Gang, the informal anarchist Federation. There's an Italian group
Speaker 1: they use the initials FAI. Also they use fr I
Speaker 1: that is not the same as the FAI that you're
Speaker 1: familiar with from the Spanish Civil Wars.
Speaker 3: That's your thing.
Speaker 1: And then two Greek groups called Armed Proletarian Justice and
Speaker 1: Revolutionary Class Self Defense.
Speaker 3: Notes on the names, guys, I guess I shouldn't, but
Speaker 3: I have notes on the names.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean yeah. The European leftist groups it's
Speaker 1: going to be yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, it's going to be as many syllables
Speaker 3: as they can possibly have. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is an alphabet soup. So a couple of
Speaker 1: notable things here. The US doesn't seem to have coordinated
Speaker 1: with the states where these entities exist. For example, the
Speaker 1: German government and they prosecuted people who they've accused of
Speaker 1: being members of Anti for aust recently, I think it
Speaker 1: was in September, and they claimed that the threat of
Speaker 1: violence for them has quote decreased significantly, which is contradicting
Speaker 1: right the claim that these are these are violent groups.
Speaker 1: The State Department, when it talks about anti for Oz,
Speaker 1: talked about a series of attacks in February twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: What's missing from the analysis of February twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: is what was happening in Februar twenty twenty three. It
Speaker 1: was an event in Hungary which existed to honor Nazis.
Speaker 1: I don't mean Nazis like people who have a right
Speaker 1: wing political ideology. I mean like member of the NSDAP
Speaker 1: in Germany who fought in World War Two at the
Speaker 1: time when they were doing the Holocaust. The rally included
Speaker 1: several groups which were already sanctioned by US allies, including
Speaker 1: Blood and Honor Combat eighteen. Jesus, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go into an in depth history of either of those groups.
Speaker 1: They're neo Nazi groups, right. That eighteen is Adolf Hitler
Speaker 1: one eight. These are the people who are, as far
Speaker 1: as I'm aware, the victims of that February twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three violence right. Notably, though Antifa ost was sanctioned by
Speaker 1: Hungry earlier this year. Right Hungary under Auburn fast moving
Speaker 1: towards extremely right wing. I didn't think what political scientists
Speaker 1: like to call it an illiberal democracy. Right.
Speaker 2: This sucks to hear. I mean, with this news, I
Speaker 2: feel like we might need to pull out of Victor
Speaker 2: Orburn presents Hungary for comedy the upcoming Cool Zone headlined
Speaker 2: comedy festival.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so many of our famous comedian friends have been
Speaker 1: planning to join us.
Speaker 3: We are doing that show in Riad though.
Speaker 2: That's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's still what Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The other groups aren't explicitly anti fascist, right.
Speaker 2: Because this is getting framed support of Trumps like anti
Speaker 2: antifa crackdown. Yeah, we're trying to find foreign terrorist organizations
Speaker 2: linked to Antifa, But these other three groups are not
Speaker 2: explicitly like Antifa in name or scope.
Speaker 1: It seems no, exactly right, So most of them are
Speaker 1: anarchist groups, right, and just to like delve very briefly
Speaker 1: in two lines into things that have literally written a
Speaker 1: book about. Anti fascism is a left unity position derived
Speaker 1: from the common term position that it adopted its Congress
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty five. These groups do not call themselves
Speaker 1: anti fascist. Right, there is a distinction between anarchism and
Speaker 1: anti fascism, which can be seen very acutely in the
Speaker 1: May nineteen thirty seven events of the Spanish Civil War.
Speaker 1: But these groups have neither claimed anti fascism, nor, as
Speaker 1: far as I'm aware, have any of them killed anyone.
Speaker 1: I believe that the antifa ost people being prosecuted. One
Speaker 1: of them is being prosecuted for attempted murder. In other
Speaker 1: cases they have been responsible for explosions or attempted bombings. Normally,
Speaker 1: to be designated in FDO, they would have to be
Speaker 1: a threat to either US people or the United States
Speaker 1: as an entity. Right, there doesn't appear to be any
Speaker 1: evidence that these groups have any ties to anyone in
Speaker 1: the United States or present any immediate danger to the
Speaker 1: United States. I don't quite know where they got these
Speaker 1: particular groups from.
Speaker 5: So weird, it's a completely baffling list of groups, like
Speaker 5: even looking at like gree karachist groups.
Speaker 3: I mean, my guess is that someone in the Trump
Speaker 3: administration has a friend in or Bond's administration and ask
Speaker 3: them here some antifas we can go After that, you
Speaker 3: guys like you know, Europe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Greek anarchist groups specifically are some of the
Speaker 2: more interesting inclusions here.
Speaker 5: They're not the Greek anarchist groups you would expect them
Speaker 5: to be going after.
Speaker 2: It's very weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they're not groups I was familiar with. Likely
Speaker 1: you know, I don't speak Greek, I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: read Greek.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't pay that much attention to that part of
Speaker 1: the world. But like, there are other groups which are
Speaker 1: more notorious. Like, it's very odd that they've come up
Speaker 1: with the anti for usd one, a Greek garrison. I
Speaker 1: think the lineage is more obvious that the other three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely clear on how they got to those.
Speaker 1: If any you know, contact us if you have ideas.
Speaker 1: The other terrorist designation that happened this week, which is
Speaker 1: breaking as we record on Wednesday, the nineteenth of November,
Speaker 1: is that Greg Abbott has declared care this Center for
Speaker 1: American Islamic Relations and the Muslim Brotherhood as foreign to
Speaker 1: US organizations. Jesus yeah, Jesus Christ. Texas doesn't appear to
Speaker 1: have an FTO list as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1: What this seems to be is a designation under SB seventeen,
Speaker 1: which parts passed earlier this year, which relates to property law.
Speaker 1: It would stop the Muslim Brotherhood or Care as a
Speaker 1: national five oh one C three renting or buying property
Speaker 1: in Texas. I'm not sure the Muslim Brotherhood intended to
Speaker 1: rent or buy property in Texas. Most of SB seventeen
Speaker 1: deals with with like nationals and entities linked to like China, Russia,
Speaker 1: and North Korea. It's trying to not have them by
Speaker 1: large chunks of Texas. But it also does have this
Speaker 1: this mechanism in it. So again, just Muslim Brotherhood is
Speaker 1: the sunniest limits organization. It has participated in violence, but
Speaker 1: not for some time. It has its origines in Egypt.
Speaker 1: It does a lot of like social programming CARE most
Speaker 1: people we've familiar with right Care has already issued a
Speaker 1: response letter, and in their letter they said, quote, your
Speaker 1: proclamation has no basis in law or fact. You do
Speaker 1: not have the authority to you latterly declare any Americans
Speaker 1: or American institutions terrorist groups, nor is there any basis
Speaker 1: to level this smear against the organization. It's probably worth
Speaker 1: noting that there was a dog investigation into epic, not
Speaker 1: that epic, the one you're thinking of, probably, but this
Speaker 1: is the El Paso Islamic Center. That investigation was closed, right,
Speaker 1: but this is not the first time that they have
Speaker 1: attempted to It's just very clearly in Islamophobia out of Texas, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that is what this is.
Speaker 5: There's also just an ancient sort of Obama era conspiracy
Speaker 5: where all of these people were all convinced that the
Speaker 5: Obama was part of the Muslim Brotherhood and that there
Speaker 5: was this whole network of Muslim Brotherhood operatives that were
Speaker 5: like running the country and really sort of if you
Speaker 5: squit hard enough, it was like, well, there's a bunch
Speaker 5: of people from the UAE who are kind of involved
Speaker 5: in some off but this is like one of their
Speaker 5: they're kind of fusing this old school like old old
Speaker 5: schools allophobic stuff with their like kind of very specific
Speaker 5: current contemporary targets. Bye, that's sort of running these two together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me, it's rightly. I think Ted Cruz has has
Speaker 1: tried to get the Muslim Brotherhood on the FTO list
Speaker 1: like several times. Yeah, there's this old like from like
Speaker 1: the golden age right wing conspiracies, right, like the Bohemian
Speaker 1: grove era. That's this idea that yeah, they're on, Like,
Speaker 1: it's like a fifty or one hundred year plan to
Speaker 1: bring the US and the Sharia lore and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's old, it's it's boomer stuff. Yes, combined with
Speaker 1: now trying to explicit eld them to hamas right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that that is great.
Speaker 2: That that's not great. I would agree, James, I think
Speaker 2: that's not great. I'll be brave enough to say it.
Speaker 1: You know, it is a it's an assault on the
Speaker 1: First Amendment. Like, the the stuff.
Speaker 2: The inclusion of care is is like is absolutely outrageous.
Speaker 1: Ye, KERR is a very respectability for a civil rights
Speaker 1: like liberal civil rights.
Speaker 3: They're the least threatening organization in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, like, and they have advocated for an end
Speaker 1: to the genocide of people in Palestine, which is a
Speaker 1: perfectly reasonable and legal thing to advocate for. They have
Speaker 1: not expressed support for political violence. Care Is is like
Speaker 1: as as protected by the First Amendment as things can
Speaker 1: be in this country. This is bonkers. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess care is already presumably preparing a court case.
Speaker 2: In other Texas news, a three panel judge in Texas
Speaker 2: just struck down Texas is newly drawn congressional map in
Speaker 2: federal court, with Trump appointed Judge Jeffrey Brown finding that quote,
Speaker 2: substantial evidence shows that Texas racially gerrymandered the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five map unquote. The judge has required Texas use its
Speaker 2: previous twenty twenty one map for the upcoming midterm elections.
Speaker 2: What's really what's really funny here is that before the
Speaker 2: elections in November, where the California redistricting measure was up
Speaker 2: for vote, Newsom specifically removed language in that measure that
Speaker 2: framed the California redistricting as a triggering event, as in,
Speaker 2: if the Texas one passes, then the California one can
Speaker 2: go into effect. You've specifically removed this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the trigger language.
Speaker 2: Wasn't, which means that California now doesn't wipe down five
Speaker 2: Republican seats and Texas probably won't be able to do
Speaker 2: anything about it.
Speaker 1: That's still a challenge the California GOPI also trying to challenge.
Speaker 2: Yes, and this Texas case is set to be heard
Speaker 2: before the Supreme Court. There's a few other redistricting measures
Speaker 2: I think in Louisiana and in North Carolina. A few
Speaker 2: other states are trying to do this, But there is
Speaker 2: a possible future in which Texas is not allowed to
Speaker 2: racially jerrymander and California is able to go forward with
Speaker 2: their redistricting because it may not have been specifically violating
Speaker 2: this like a racial gerrymandering aspect that Judge Jeffrey Brown
Speaker 2: found was affecting the Texas maps intentionally.
Speaker 1: The GOP claim is that California is quote favoring Hispanic voters.
Speaker 1: That's going good. It's gonna be a harder landing to stick, right,
Speaker 1: given that there are Latino people in every square mile
Speaker 1: of California, Like, yeah, it's gonna be a rougher one
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: And specifically, the stuff that Judge Brown found is like
Speaker 2: in the way that these districts were redrawn, it was
Speaker 2: to totally exclude non white voters and some of these
Speaker 2: districts all right.
Speaker 1: One for the train fans in the audience. A section
Speaker 1: of railway that connects Warsaw to Lublin in southeastern Poland,
Speaker 1: which then connects onto Ukraine was destroyed by an explosion
Speaker 1: earlier this week. Overhead cables further down the track were
Speaker 1: also damaged. This comes as drone incursions into European space continue.
Speaker 1: Donald Tusk, the Police Prime Minister, called the ex sabotage,
Speaker 1: and it seems extremely likely that he is correct about that. Right.
Speaker 1: I guess we haven't explicitly covered this on ed very much,
Speaker 1: but there have been dozens of documented Russian operations in
Speaker 1: Europe since the the expanded invasion of Ukraine that began
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. What's concerning to me about this
Speaker 1: is that Europe is responding to some of these by
Speaker 1: accusing Russia of trying to quote destabilize polities by sending
Speaker 1: migrants there. It's likely true that Russia is messing with
Speaker 1: migration flows. It is demonstrably true in some cases. Right.
Speaker 1: Responding to this by hardening borders deploying troops to borders
Speaker 1: is not the solution to that problem. Europe's Iron border
Speaker 1: kills more people than any other border, and hardening that
Speaker 1: border is only going to kill more people. Like if
Speaker 1: you want to be the shining city on a hill, right,
Speaker 1: if you want to be, I think that title is
Speaker 1: maybe up for grabs. If you want to be the
Speaker 1: place that stands out as like a safe place for democracy,
Speaker 1: you don't do that by killing migrants, and so Europe's
Speaker 1: response to this is extremely disappointing, right, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to highlight that because I don't see that in the coverage. Yes,
Speaker 1: Russia escalating it's meddling in Europe is extremely concerning. But
Speaker 1: if we accept that Russia is a totalitarian state or
Speaker 1: going in that direction, then we should also therefore accept
Speaker 1: that people are going to want to leave that and
Speaker 1: many other states where they cannot have autonomy, where they
Speaker 1: cannot live healthy and full lives, and we should welcome them.
Speaker 1: Talking of people leaving places where they cannot have autonomy
Speaker 1: and have full and happy lives, let's talk about immigration
Speaker 1: in the United States. Very quickly, border patrol named Gregory
Speaker 1: Bovino have moved their internal enforcement I of Sauron to Charlotte,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Seems in large part due to some racists
Speaker 1: on x dot com demining that they do so. I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say in large part, I guess in some part
Speaker 1: there has been video already showing Bovino participating in detentions
Speaker 1: at a home depot car park. I've said two words there,
Speaker 1: which of coursed one of my colleagues, a smirky giggle
Speaker 1: at me stand by both of them. So yeah, it
Speaker 1: is in part right due to x dot com the
Speaker 1: Everything website being a haven for racism. But I think
Speaker 1: it's also worth noting in twenty eighteen, Democratic sheriffs in
Speaker 1: five North Carolina counties ran on the platform of not
Speaker 1: cooperating with ICE. All of these I believe were black sheriffs,
Speaker 1: and ICE pushed back hard right, including with a billboard campaign.
Speaker 1: Last year, the North Carolina Republican state Legislature over rote
Speaker 1: a Vito to pass AGB ten, which required agencies to
Speaker 1: cooperate with ICE and honor their detainers. A detainer is
Speaker 1: basically when ICE is like, hey, you've arrested this person.
Speaker 1: We want you to hold them for a bit longer
Speaker 1: so we can come pick them up for ICE reasons.
Speaker 1: Since then, Meckleberg County Sheriff McFadden has claimed that ICE
Speaker 1: has failed to collect people on detainers one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty three times. So this will be. They would normally
Speaker 1: have a forty eight hour detainer, right, they're more than
Speaker 1: forty eight extra hours I should come get when they
Speaker 1: are held on the detainer. It is still the state
Speaker 1: that is responsible for them. It is a state that
Speaker 1: is paying for the cost of incarcerating that person, it
Speaker 1: is the state that is still incarcerating that person.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: This has led, I guess, to Republicans claiming the McFadden
Speaker 1: is ignoring his obligation under HB ten. McFadden says he isn't.
Speaker 1: He is holding them for the duration of detainer, but
Speaker 1: then releasing them when no one comes to get them. Right.
Speaker 1: This has led to like CIS right, It's Center for
Speaker 1: Immigration Study SBOC has designated it as a hate group.
Speaker 1: CIS has listed Charlotte and Mecklenburg County on its map
Speaker 1: of quote unquote sanctuary jurisdictions. There's a link to the
Speaker 1: map if you want to look at it. They actually
Speaker 1: cite the twenty eighteen policy and don't even mention HB ten.
Speaker 1: So it's unclear to me if they haven't updated this
Speaker 1: map or if they just believe that nothing has changed
Speaker 1: because they believe that HB ten is being ignored. I
Speaker 1: think that might be a lot of the reason why
Speaker 1: we're seeing this now. Then, finally, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about something local. Southern California, in Temecula, north of San Diego,
Speaker 1: seventeen year old boy was pulled over at gunpoint by
Speaker 1: a man who was known to locals as an ICE agent.
Speaker 1: The man does not appear to have been in his
Speaker 1: professional capacity at this time. Neighbors were able to de
Speaker 1: escalate the situation and get Gerardo Rodriguez, the man in question,
Speaker 1: to stop pointing his gun at the teen. La Tucker
Speaker 1: got video of this. It is wild. The guy is
Speaker 1: just in the middle of the road with a handgun
Speaker 1: point to get at a truck that's driving down the street.
Speaker 1: Rodriguez accuses the young man he's seventeen years old and
Speaker 1: we're going to say his name right as a child
Speaker 1: of speeding in the neighborhood, not generally something that warrants
Speaker 1: drawing a firearm. Rodriguez was detained by the Riverside County
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office. I believe he's bonded out now that this
Speaker 1: is an interesting development. Right elsewhere, like in Santa Ana,
Speaker 1: an agent pulled a gun on a community watch member.
Speaker 1: Fullerton police on the scene did not detain the person.
Speaker 1: They also refuse to assist, right, they just kind of
Speaker 1: were present. But this is one of the few cases
Speaker 1: I'm aware of an Ice agent. There was someone else
Speaker 1: arrested in a who I believe died. I believe that
Speaker 1: was a Border Patrol agent that first unfortunately passed away
Speaker 1: of an overdose. But this is one of the first
Speaker 1: instances I've seen of this right of a kind of
Speaker 1: a state federal direct confront where this guy appears to
Speaker 1: have been pseudo claiming that he was acting under his
Speaker 1: authority as an ICE agent. That's not entirely clear to me.
Speaker 1: The young man's parents that rushed a scene with the
Speaker 1: young man's passport, but by that point neighbors had already
Speaker 1: been able to de escalate them. So yeah, I'm going
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on this because I think it's interesting.
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