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Speaker 1: expected on this show. So excited we are. Every minute

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Speaker 1: In fact, I would think, for that press conference, what

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Speaker 1: Just finding ways to just keep you getting the workouts

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Speaker 1: I think he'll make sense for some teams out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he saves them all, So almost seventeen million by moving them,

428
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Speaker 1: I kind of get it. I think that's clearly that

429
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Speaker 1: they're rebuilding off of the end of an era. I mean,

430
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Speaker 1: this is a this is they, you know, the third

431
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Speaker 1: or fourth iteration of a Pete Carroll squad at this point.

432
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Speaker 1: But they're gonna look different. I think if you go

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Speaker 1: and get to Shaun Watson, I mean there is a

434
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Speaker 1: You've solved a lot of issues there. I mean as

435
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Speaker 1: for Bobby Wagner, I mean be depressing though for a

436
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: lot of Seahawks, I think it would be. But I

437
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: think right now is is extremely depressing because there's no

438
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Speaker 1: answer at that at that point. But I wonder if

439
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys might be a landing spot for Bobby Wagner

440
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: because Dan Quinn basically has called him like the best

441
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Speaker 1: defensive player he's ever coached, and you could see him

442
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Speaker 1: matched with Micah Parsons. And I also wonder if Tyler

443
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Speaker 1: Lockett could be the next person to go in Seattle.

444
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Speaker 1: If this is a deeper rebuild than we think. Why though,

445
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Speaker 1: why yeah, why would you get rid of Tyler Locke?

446
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Speaker 1: It's there's whispers that, there's a whispers that, well, they

447
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: got they're getting rid of great players. But the capologist.

448
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Speaker 1: But if the Cowboys can't even figure out how to

449
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Speaker 1: pay their own guys right now, Wagner might be a

450
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: tough sell. But again, sometimes with the salary cab, it

451
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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. And then all of a sudden you

452
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Speaker 1: here like, okay, maybe it is, but that is a

453
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Speaker 1: very Dallas Cowboys move. Um, yeah, it will be interesting

454
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Speaker 1: with the Watson thing. Seattle under Carol and Schneider definitely

455
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: have a track record of taking in guys with checkered

456
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Speaker 1: past and saying we're gonna look past that, or we're

457
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Speaker 1: gonna work with the player, and we know he's talented. Watson.

458
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Speaker 1: At the same time, isn't a dude that got a

459
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Speaker 1: d U I RST or a guy that failed a

460
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Speaker 1: drug test like there is more to the Watson story

461
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Speaker 1: and you know where we stand right now, by the way,

462
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Speaker 1: let's touch on it quickly, is his criminal sexual misconduct

463
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Speaker 1: case will be presented to a grand jury on Friday.

464
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Speaker 1: Ten women filed criminal complaints, not several criminal complaints against Watson,

465
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Speaker 1: with three alleging sexual assault or attempted sexual assault. So

466
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Speaker 1: we'll find out that, you know, it's the Houston d

467
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Speaker 1: A will present this to a grand jury. The grand

468
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Speaker 1: jury will come back and decide whether the case will

469
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Speaker 1: move forward, and if it does, again he is very

470
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Speaker 1: much in limbo right now from a legal standpoint, a

471
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Speaker 1: man who could be facing prison. Um So saying that

472
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: the Seahawks will Bill get Watson and everything will move forward,

473
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: that's certainly possible, but but it's also he still might

474
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Speaker 1: be Watson, a guy that just can't move because people

475
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Speaker 1: don't know where he's going to. So there is sort

476
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Speaker 1: of bonus money and other stuff that's coming his way

477
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: sooner than later. If the Texans wanted to say and

478
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Speaker 1: matched with another team that understood there could be a

479
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Speaker 1: long delay until Watson's available. I still think there's interest

480
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Speaker 1: out there. What it's just depressing, like we all agree

481
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Speaker 1: that it's just like if you're if you're a I

482
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: think it's because I listened to Mina kimes is pot

483
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: and she was just like, I might be out after that.

484
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: Like losing Russell Wilson and Wagner in one day and

485
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Speaker 1: you bring in Watson next week, just like would be

486
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Speaker 1: in the minority, I think overall, though, I know that's

487
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Speaker 1: the pressing to you too, but there will be a

488
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Speaker 1: lot of Seahawks fans that would be pumped about Deshaun

489
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Speaker 1: Watson coming into town as well. We'll see. With Watson,

490
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Speaker 1: it could take a long time too. I think teams

491
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Speaker 1: are gonna want to know how long he's suspended for.

492
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: That could take the whole off season for all we know,

493
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: or it could be in the next week. We really

494
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought it was somehow fitting though Wagner

495
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson come in on the same day. They

496
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Speaker 1: changed the organization as much as two players possibly can.

497
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll started the process a year before, but like

498
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Speaker 1: one of the best rebuilding jobs in the history of

499
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Speaker 1: the NFL, the best couple of drafts you know of

500
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Speaker 1: the two thousand tens, and suddenly they're winning the Super

501
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Speaker 1: Bowl and then they're losing a heartbreaker the next year,

502
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: but it somehow was fitting. On the day Wilson gets traded,

503
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: like Wagner sends out this tweet Sherman profit and he

504
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: was talking about Sherman. You know, I think Richard Sherman

505
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: said he thought Russell Wilson was gonna get dealt this year. Uh,

506
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Speaker 1: this offseason. He wasn't exactly dunking on Russell Wilson, but

507
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Speaker 1: you're not exactly not dunking on him there. And then

508
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: he retweets Sherman who had this quote, either die a

509
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Speaker 1: hero or you live long enough to see yourself become

510
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: the villain. And there was this weird thing with the

511
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Speaker 1: Seahawks run. There was a ton of draw the whole time.

512
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: I mean, the days before their biggest glory, their biggest moment,

513
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: Golden Tayton, Percy Harvin are getting literally in a fist

514
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Speaker 1: fight and he's got a black eye in the Super

515
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Speaker 1: Bowl picture, and then they go out and win forty

516
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: three to eight. The next year they lose that Patriots game,

517
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: and pretty much since you've heard a lot of defensive

518
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: players who maybe weren't the biggest fans of Russell Wilson,

519
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: and there was just like a lot of like tension

520
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: and drama even though it was this great era in

521
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: Seahawks history of like not everyone exactly getting along, and

522
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: like this is kind of the exclamation point of how

523
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: it all m that will be a good thing to

524
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Speaker 1: talk to Sean Michael Dugar about who covers the Seahawks

525
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: so well tomorrow. But I will know because I know

526
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: you were tracking this all season. Greg in almost a

527
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: maniacal way. The DK Metcalf didn't seem to enjoy being

528
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's team, and I just went to his Twitter

529
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Speaker 1: just to check in on it. He had no tweets,

530
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Speaker 1: but he had a retweet of NFL Game Day um

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Speaker 1: Sell braiding Bobby Wagner's career, not a single reference to

532
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: the only quarterback he's ever played with. I didn't see

533
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: almost anything on Twitter from Anson. Seemed to be obviously

534
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: different people, different careers and all that, But guys that

535
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: are not loved necessarily by their team were necessarily like

536
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: the coaches right in front office to who ended up

537
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: making that decision in Seattle. I do think that was

538
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: all part of the factor. Sometimes relationships just run their course.

539
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right. In other news, the Titans doing business

540
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: get Grave Digger on the mic on this one. They

541
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Speaker 1: resigned outside linebacker held Harold Landry to a five year,

542
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Speaker 1: eighty seven and a half million dollar contract, fifty two

543
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Speaker 1: and a half guaranteed. Still twenty five years old, turns

544
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Speaker 1: twenty six this year. Had not been tagged, leading to

545
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: some questions, but hey, don't worry about it. After twelve

546
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: and a half sex last season, they're hoping for more

547
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: from the former second round pick. Grave Digg, Are your

548
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: thoughts on a big fat extension for a core player

549
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: of your defense. I think it's a great move for

550
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: the Titans. I think it's a great move for the Titans.

551
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: Lock up Harold Landry, keep that front four intact, one

552
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: of the best front flours in football last season. And

553
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: Landry may not be a great player. He's definitely not

554
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: an elite pass rusher in terms of like winning one

555
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: on one against offensive tackles, but he does so much

556
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: for the Titans defense specifically that I think we're placing

557
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: him would have been difficult. The contract works out to

558
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half million dollars per year, so kind

559
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: of high, but it's not bos so Raye's not water.

560
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: He's not twenty eight million a year. It's you know,

561
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: ten million dollars less than that. And Harold Landry actually

562
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: leads all edge defenders with three hundred forty six coverage

563
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: snaps since the start of twenty nineteen, so data versatile

564
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: player for the Titans defense. I think it's a good move.

565
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: He's been really durable to plus snaps three years running.

566
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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, he fits what they do. They've

567
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: got Jeffrey Simmons. Forget it, I'm over what go on.

568
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: You're a good point. The point was so good that

569
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: you agreed with yourself. I'm good. You got it to

570
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: probably extend Jeffrey Simmons at some point a J. Brown

571
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: as well. There's more business. Little extension for tire Tart two,

572
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: who who wasn't really an unrestricted free They they're they're

573
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: old school. He's old school. He plays a thousand snaps

574
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: per game. They're just i mean per season, like there

575
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: are very few edge defenders who do that. I think

576
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: all of the Patriots type teams were gonna be ready

577
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: to pay Harold Landry a lot of money because he

578
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: would fit on on those like eighties giants, defenses. There

579
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: just aren't many guys like that you can keep out

580
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: there that can do everything for a thousand stats. Bobby Wagner,

581
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: who we just spoke about coincidentally, is one of those

582
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: guys too. He's one of the only off ball linebackers

583
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: that can play a thousand snaps and not kill you

584
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: in coverage. So I think it's a sign guys are

585
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: gonna get crazy money. Between this contract and the Mike

586
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Williams contract, the free agent contracts are going to be

587
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: enormous because these these have kind of been next level

588
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: big for these types of players. Digger can ask you

589
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: a question, Yeah, Digger, Um, you have teams like contenders

590
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: in the a f C like the Colts, uh, fringe

591
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: e contenders like the Browns getting flashpoint focuses. You have

592
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: the Broncos pulling off a huge trade, and then you

593
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: have the Titans again always just beneath the surface with

594
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: their quarterback coming off hideous playoff performance. Do you do

595
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: you think yourself when you see something like that the

596
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: Broncos did as a Titans fan, You're like, am I

597
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: cool with how down low we are entrenched with our

598
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: QB situation? Or would this have been a window for

599
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: us to try to make some noise. I think I

600
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: am cool personally. There's a lot of Titans fans yesterday.

601
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: Is this a flashpoint right here? We're doing a flash

602
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: point where justin Graver Ladies of Los Angeles agreed very cool? Um, No,

603
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: I think there was. There was people saying the Titans

604
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: two season is over yesterday or one why because they

605
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: weren't the ones to get Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson, Like,

606
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: give me what I guess. My point was, you haven't

607
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: heard anything about the Titans thinking about should we try

608
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: to get back? I'm not saying whispers about In Tennessee,

609
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: Mike Florio had said that there was a deal in

610
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: place with the Titans, the Steelers and one other team

611
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember, for Green Day, Oh Denver Um for Rogers,

612
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: And obviously I don't think that that was really necessarily true.

613
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: Not saying anyone's a liar, but maybe some m reports

614
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: fed to him there. I think John Robinson and Mike

615
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Graybell made it pretty clear recently that they are sticking

616
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: with Ryan Tannehill for at least one more season. His

617
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: contract kind of forces them to unless they could find

618
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: a trade. Partner. But then like, who do you replace

619
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: him with? If? If Aaron Rodgers is not an option.

620
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: So he led the Titans to the number one seed

621
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Speaker 1: last year with tons of injuries. His playoff performance was brutal,

622
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: But I think you have to run it back with

623
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: him one more time and just see if you know

624
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: you can add a couple more weapons to the offense,

625
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: someone who can take the top off the defense and

626
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: see what happens. He's a nasty like they love him inside.

627
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: Is Ryan Tannehill to the Dalton mud. He what he

628
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: was the replacement for Andy Dalton when we caught him

629
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: the Tannis scale. But it was a it was a

630
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: good sign that he was doing that with Adam Gays

631
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: as his quarter as his coach. He's actually that you

632
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: have to adjust for Gay Sinus. I just would be

633
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: a little worried as a Titans fan that John Robinson

634
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: crying at the combine was kind of the main story

635
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: of your off season. That's pretty much the most attention

636
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: the Titans. They're going to emotional like that was great.

637
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: He's not nineteen fifty anymore. It's not like everybody doesn't

638
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: have to be John Wayne. I'll cry at any anything

639
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: of people calling him out, not calling him out. I'm

640
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: saying that that is the most most notables don't get

641
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Speaker 1: a lot of juice nationally. That got some juice nationally. No,

642
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: I was bawling on the way to Indianapolis. I watched

643
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: this Oscar short called Audible. It's it's about football, so

644
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: it's related. It's about school for the Depths football team.

645
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: It's thirty eight minutes on Netflix and it is incredible filmmaking.

646
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: People should watch it. It's great. That's good. You know.

647
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: I saw your tweet and I just reminded me. The crying,

648
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: emotional honesty of your tweet really jumped out to me

649
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: to the point where I was going to end the

650
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: week by maybe us doing our latest share of pop

651
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: culture things that jump out to us. But there you go.

652
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Speaker 1: You just you popped it out there. I'll say, um,

653
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Speaker 1: I'll say you guys, everybody's gotta check out Gang of Youths.

654
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: That's an artist at Australia. Maybe our Australian listeners are

655
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: aware Graver you know them? Oh man, I'm weighing on this.

656
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: This band. They're my new favorite. And I went out

657
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: me and Bob throwback podcast fame went out and got

658
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: concert tickets are coming to l A. Just keep an

659
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: eye out for Gang of Youths. Mark. I like the

660
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: idea of Gang of Youths. I will listen to them.

661
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: I have started watching that winning time the Lakers deep diving,

662
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: which I was a little suspicious up going in, and uh,

663
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: I found it quite enjoyable there. So there is a

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: thing though, there's an element. Adam McKay directed it and

665
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: they used like the break I like it that. I

666
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: thought you got the aesthetic of it, making it feel

667
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: like it's gritty. Early eighties d visual a great job

668
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: with that, and I think if you were, you know,

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Speaker 1: if a lot of us became NBA fans back during

670
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: that time, it is there's a lot added because of that.

671
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: But they do this break the fourth wall thing maybe

672
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: twenty seven too many times in the first episode. It

673
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: really worked in the big short and now it's become

674
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: like his go to thing. It's like his dial up bro.

675
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: I'm not in the industry. I'm not, but maybe bring

676
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: it down a notch with the fourth wall breakage. Just

677
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: a notch. All right, that's said, Let's move on. Greg

678
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: definitely wanted to talk about Eric Fisher so let's clear

679
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: the runway. This little run news rundown before wentz and

680
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: before some other news dropped. But it's already been brought up,

681
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: so now it's out there. Go ahead. But when you

682
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: think about the cultures, like, oh, this great offensive line,

683
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: which is like good, but I wouldn't say it was

684
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: otherworldly last year. But they don't have a left tackle

685
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: Eric Fisher is not expected to be resigned. They don't

686
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: have their right guard Mark Lewinski, who was probably the

687
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: weakest point. Uh, it's a lot going on with the cults.

688
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of weapons, they don't have

689
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: a great looking pass rush. It's it's Ballard time. He's

690
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: going to fix somethings. I think they're gonna be extremely

691
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: aggressive in the next minute. Have no tight end right now.

692
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: Mark mentioned Doyle retired Ali Cox's wide receivers rough qbs

693
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: a nightmare. Mark mentioned Zach Keyfer earlier, and Zach brought

694
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: up the point in our first flash point that the

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00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: Colts have really good players at the quote unquote non

696
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: premium and positions, and that's a little bit of an issue.

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00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: They have these holes at what are deemed to be

698
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: the most important positions. In the league, left tackle, quarterback,

699
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver one among them. Uh, and that needs to

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Speaker 1: be addressed. All right. Finally, I swear to God on this.

701
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I have no idea.

702
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: I woke up this morning, woke up this moning. Whatever

703
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: happened to Gary Koopa? I woke up this morning and

704
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: I just refreshed it and it's still there. I don't

705
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: know how this is possible. On ESPN dot com, the

706
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: top headline the top headline on their NFL page. Now

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00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: I understand the main what do they call it? The

708
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: homepage or the what are they called? Give me some

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00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: jargon for the industry homepage vertical. The vertical is Carson

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00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: Wentz Now good cult trading QB Wentz to Commanders. But

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00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: on the right bar, the top headline remains sources call

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00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: and giants likely to make a run at QB Trabinsky.

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00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: How has this the number one headline for seven hours

714
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: on ESPN dot com? What am I missing about this

715
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: Mitch Trabinsky fascination that everyone in the national media seems

716
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: to have about his pending free agency. Like, okay, I

717
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: get it. Brian Dable brought him in as a backup

718
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: under Josh Allen and now Brian Dables like coach of

719
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: the Giants. But even before the Giants were directly connected,

720
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: there's been way too much Miss Robinsky talk in football circles,

721
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: and I demand to know what's going on because it's

722
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: starting to feel like something bigger that I haven't been

723
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: able to grasp on the ESPN angle. You're annoyed at

724
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: their version of David Eli for still having that sitting

725
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: there hoisted above every other transaction. And I mean this

726
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: all this all bubbled up at the combine, and I'm

727
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: with you. I was out on Mitch Robinsky about six

728
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: games into his career. I've never gotten back on board.

729
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: But suddenly all these front office figures or entranced by

730
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: his potential again. Okay, I've got a couple of good theory.

731
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: I got one theory again, which I mentioned last week's

732
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: too hot for the air. But I have another theory

733
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: is that like he's doing numbers, we have a whole

734
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: other show theories that are too hot for air. That's

735
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: a way better podcast. I kind of wish you would

736
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: share that the But I bet he does numbers. He's

737
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: like the Terrell prior of twenty twenty two. I I've

738
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: told this story of this podcast, but it's been about

739
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: six years since I told it, Like whenever when I

740
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: was um the Around the NFL editor and working on

741
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: the stack sort, any Terrell Prior story just did great numbers.

742
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: You could just be didn't matter what was about Terrell Prior.

743
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: And I bet maybe Trabisky because he crosses a few

744
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: different lines and bears fans the Giants. Who knows the Giants,

745
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: and it's just work. But the part that was really

746
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: rich for me and this Trabisky reporting was well, he

747
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: could be going to the Giants. They really want him,

748
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: but they might not be able to afford him. What

749
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: what is going on? I don't know. He's got a

750
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: great agent. This is ridiculous. Now understand what you're saying

751
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: initially because for instance, as an example, on a different platform, uh,

752
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL broadcast on NFL Network does a

753
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: big number every time we're on the air that show,

754
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: whether it's one hour or two. And Ricky could back

755
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: this up with data if if it's asked for. But

756
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: you don't have to just trust us. We do a

757
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: huge number. I mean, it's just some people say an

758
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: astronomical number. I mean carrying the network to some degree reportedly, right,

759
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: So you're saying Trabsky does a huge number, that's a guess.

760
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: But if it's staying that high in the stack, it's

761
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: a metrics business and that's likely part of put us

762
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: on at four in the morning. Give us one commercial

763
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: week is of course a big I think Dana Mark

764
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: know about that, like we will will give you a

765
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: giant number on television. We don't need the time slot,

766
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't need the promotion. He didn't even

767
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: make my top. It kind of gets to my point

768
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: about why you don't trade for Carson Wentz because I

769
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: am not at a whisky fan. But he's in that

770
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: mix of all these guys that I just mentioned, Dalton

771
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: and Tyrod and Jacoby Brissett and all these guys like

772
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: they're all about that they're not a huge difference from

773
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: well the other aspects. He's being brought in with the

774
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: intention to push Daniel Jones and that if he outshined

775
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: them in the lead up to the season is out

776
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: there to k It's like mean, I do like though

777
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: it does tell you that the Giants, unlike with Eli Manning,

778
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: aren't forcing quietly ownership the coaching staff to go with

779
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones no matter what, if they found a better solution,

780
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: right but if if this is the better solution, if

781
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: is your solution, and he's going to have an actual

782
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: camp battle, that tells you a lot about Schefter just

783
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: released the podcast, which is you know, embedded within this

784
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: article about Trabinsky, that's got Rabinsky in the headline, Like

785
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: that's the headlines featuring I think he's even getting interviewed.

786
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: What is going on right now? Very high? Right now,

787
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. Cabal, Cabal, where is uh? Well,

788
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: we got to take a break in a second because

789
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: Tony Gross he is about to join us. The Flashpoint

790
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: series is going off with episode biscuit. Cabal never used

791
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: that word before out loud and it didn't go well.

792
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: I want to see where where did wins come down

793
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: on Rosenthal's QB index end of season stead of curiosity,

794
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we did add backups to the mix with

795
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: the very last one, like if you started any game,

796
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: which kind of made it a little wonky um because

797
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: there were a couple of backups that were into He

798
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: was right next to Teddy right next ahead of him,

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00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: Teddy's once by ahead right next to Teddy and Jimmy

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Speaker 1: g right once Teddy could be the Colts quarter Jared

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00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: Goff Jones, alright, alright, it was number twenty five on

802
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: that list. A little tough to admit right now, he's

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00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: he's coming up on the show Flashpoint Focus teaze it

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00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: all right, We're gonna take a break, and when we

805
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: come back, Flashpoint Series continues with Baker Mayfield. Yes, oh wow,

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00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: the Flashpoint Series is back, focusing on whose voice is that?

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00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it, focusing on on of course it's Lassie, okay,

808
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and the Cleveland Browns. And to help us

809
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: navigate this murky time in Brown's history, we welcome in

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00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: a man who knows his Cleveland sports, Tony Grossy Brown's

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Speaker 1: and then fell analysts for the Land on Demand, dot Com, fifty, ESPN,

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00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: Cleveland Bally Sports, Great Legs, and now he joins us

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00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: on around the NFL. Tony, what's up, guys, Thanks for

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00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: having me. Good do with you? How do you feel, Tony?

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Speaker 1: Just as as a longtime Brown scribe, we've got a

816
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: big Browns fan here in Mark like your tweets and

817
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: your reports over the years um have been heroic really

818
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: for Mark, like he's you are someone that he looks

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00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: up to. That's accurate. Well, the good news is Mark

820
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: has not been blocked by me, one of the few.

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00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: I guess I have the longest blocklist I think around.

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00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: But no, I I know Mark, and we've enjoyed each

823
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: other's company over the years. I try to stay civil

824
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: with you, and I know that you know you're There's

825
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: a lot of this should be given you hazard pay

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00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: for what you've done over the years covering this team.

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00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: He's called it a hundred years war in Cleveland, and

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00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: you've seen many of those years. And that's that's accurate. Well,

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00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: let's start with where we're at right now in the

830
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: war with the Browns, because obviously we know the backstory here.

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00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: Baker's number one overall pick in uh, he has a

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00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: great rookie year. Things kind of crescendo season ago or

833
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: now I guess two seasons ago with that playoff run,

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00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: big win in Pittsburgh, nearly knock off the Chiefs, and

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00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: then obviously the disappointment of last year. Now Tony with

836
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: Baker a day after we see Russell Wilson come to

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00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: the a f C and Cleveland's window as a Super

838
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: Bowl contender hypothetically still open. But where do you where

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00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: do you stand on where they are with their quarterback

840
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: right now and if they have real options now and

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00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: going forward, well, the options are dwindling by the day,

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00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: it seems. Uh. And the Browns narrative from the from

843
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: the first day of the off season the two days

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00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: day or two after the last game has been that

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00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: they expect to run it back with Baker Mayfield heal

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00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: them up. He had the surgery on his left shoulder

847
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: in the middle of July January, late January, and that

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00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: narrative continued at the Combine, which was our next availability

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00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: with the general Mandrew Andrew Berry and coach Kevin Stefanski.

850
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: And sure enough, there there's no evidence that there there's

851
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: no real evidence that they're poking around to either challenge

852
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: Baker with a new number two or certainly not to

853
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: replace it. So at some point I'm going to take

854
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: their word for it. I know everybody in Seattle who

855
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: took Pete Carrol's word that they had no intention of

856
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: trading Russell Wilson. You know, we should learn from that

857
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: but there's no other evidence here that the Browns are

858
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: going to go against their word. And I guess they

859
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: met with Baker's representation at the combine and pretty much

860
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: said the same thing face to face to them. Well

861
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: that's said. I mean, he is the rare example of

862
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback on his fifth year option who heads into

863
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: this offseason into next season with no extension. I mean,

864
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: obviously it's been It's one of the tougher quarterbacks to

865
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: evaluate because it's been this sort of hot and cold

866
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: act depending on where he's been and where the team

867
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: has been. I just wonder, though, my my one question

868
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: with Baker and the players around him. I think that

869
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: the O b J thing, obviously, um, I think created

870
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: a wound and a scar inside that locker room and

871
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: you've got a whole new wide receiver group. But in general, uh,

872
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: like Andy Janovitch for instance, like in an article that

873
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: came out today by Tyler Dunn, just praise Baker the person.

874
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: And where do you think the locker room is with

875
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield? Are they they all sold totally that he

876
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: is the quarterback? Or did the O b J fallout

877
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: create I don't know, an air of skepticism that can

878
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: really be invasive, I think for any kind of team. Well,

879
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: that's a great point, Mark that I think it's very

880
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: underplayed nationally. That means a lot to Mark to hear

881
00:47:53,280 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: that from you clip over and over. But but it's real. Um,

882
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: I think I think you know, Baker is such a

883
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: polarizing quarterback externally. You know, fans either love him or

884
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: hate him. Um. And I think he's this year became

885
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: polarizing in the locker room. I don't know what the

886
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: ratio is, though we know O b j uh and

887
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: his dad really threw him under the bus. And everybody

888
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: on the team saw saw the same thing that they

889
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: see every Monday when they reviewed the film of the

890
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 1: previous day's game. Right, Uh, O'Dell streaking open or other

891
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: receivers streaking open and and Baker unable to deliver the

892
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: ball on target. Um. But then you have this unique

893
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: relationship with Jarvis Landry, who was I call him soul

894
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: mate with with Odell. Uh, So you got your top

895
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: two receivers. Now that seemingly turned against Baker. H. Then

896
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: as O b j went through his Super Bowl run,

897
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: you would get a number of ouns on social media

898
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: just you know, falling over backwards to congratulate and express love.

899
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: And it became almost like an indictment of Baker, you know,

900
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: because um, everyone knew the relationship there. Furthermore, Baker, on

901
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: two occasions down the stretch of the last season, spoke

902
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: in national interviews about there's no manual for what I'm

903
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: going through, uh, repairing, talked of repairing relationships inside the building,

904
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: and I think that's what he was referring to, is

905
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: that some of the players lost confidence in him, let's say,

906
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: lost trust in him. So that that's UH to me.

907
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,479
Speaker 1: It was as much a part of Baker's demise as

908
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: his shoulder injury, his left shoulder injury. And you know,

909
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: you could repair the shoulder, can you repair those relationships totally? Well,

910
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: it looks like the strategy of doing that might be

911
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: to just replace the entire wide receiver core with new people, right,

912
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: and there there's an expectation that Jarvis Landry could be

913
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 1: an ex Brown that that hasn't happened yet. Obviously, where

914
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: do you think his relationship in with Kevin Stefanski is

915
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: and and the confidence of Stefanski in Mayfield Because one

916
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: of your longtime colleagues. Mary Kay Cabott had reported a

917
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: couple of times that Mayfield was frustrated with Stefancy's play calling,

918
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: and that came at a particular point in the season

919
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: that when I saw that report in the public, I

920
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: just thought, oh man, this this makes me think a

921
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: divorce is gonna happen this offseason that that was coming

922
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: out in the media, because that that's ugly if your

923
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: quarterback UH is quietly or people around him are criticizing

924
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: that the play calling. Yeah, I I don't think it's

925
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: it's to that extent that it would be the reason

926
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: for a divorce, but clearly there was frustration there from

927
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: Baker's end, and you know, overly conservative play called lack

928
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: of trust from the coach and key situation and said

929
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: go back to a Chargers game where it was a

930
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: great game and Baker were still playing well at that time,

931
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: I think Week four or something like that, and there

932
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: was a key moment where they had a third and

933
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: fourteen and they handed off to Kareem Hunt Uh and

934
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: he gave like seven or eight yards, but they had

935
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,959
Speaker 1: to punt and it led to Justin Herbert taking over

936
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: and really winning the game. That stun Baker, that that that,

937
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, lack of faith or confidence in the coach,

938
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: let's face it. In two years, Stefanski has tried to

939
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: reinvent Baker Mayfield's game, you know under center more uh,

940
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: to try to keep him in the pocket because he's

941
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: got to He's got to win the pocket to create

942
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: those play fakes and those those those play action and

943
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: bootlegs that are so central to Stefanski's game, if teams

944
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: take away those in Stefansky talked about this at the combine.

945
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: He didn't blame it on the shoulder injury. He attributed

946
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: to teams taking it away and so, okay, so how

947
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: do you how do you work around that? Well, you've

948
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: got to win from the pocket. The quarterbacks got to

949
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: make plays from the pocket, and then that lessons and

950
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: then you could use the other stuff. So I think

951
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: there is some friction there. You know, Baker's a gun

952
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: slinger right in college. He's not a gun slinger in

953
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: Stefanski's offense. And I think that that is the heart

954
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: of you know what wrinkles. So again, like turning now

955
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: back to the QB landscape of right now, Aaron Rodgers

956
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: obviously not an option. Russell Wilson no longer an option.

957
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is another big name that's out there, but

958
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: it feels like the most likely scenario is maybe at

959
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 1: least one more rocky here in Arizona, but who knows.

960
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: But then there's the one guy that kind of hangs

961
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: over everything, which is DeShawn Watson. And we know the

962
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: knotty issue around the Houston quarterback is in your um

963
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: dealings with Stefanski, with Andrew Berry. Is the Shaun Watson

964
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: a guy that could potentially be laying in the weeds

965
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: here with the brown I don't think so. First of all,

966
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, with Deshaun Watson waves there's no trade to

967
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: play in Cleveland. That let's forget about that issue. That's

968
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: a real issue though in Houston trying to trade him, right.

969
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: But but other than that, you know, the Browns Alls

970
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: they needed to do was hand in the card and

971
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: they could have added to Shaun Watson as a as

972
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: a as a rookie coming out of the draft with

973
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: the number twelve pick in that draft which they traded

974
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: to Houston. And Andrew Berry was part of the regime

975
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: at that time. At that time, he didn't have GM

976
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: power or authority but he was around, so he knows

977
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: what Paul did. Potesta and at the time Stashi Brown

978
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: thought of Deshaun Watson and maybe he shared that opinion,

979
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: maybe not, But I don't think they're up for such

980
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: a dramatic and costly acquisition. It's I mean, Andrew Berry

981
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: is in a tough spot because if the NFL quarterback

982
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: pace structure were a little bit more negotiable, Baker Mayfield

983
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: it in a different tier than what we're seeing some

984
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: of these other guys making. And so it's a tough evaluation.

985
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: And you know, he was drafted partly by Scott McCluin,

986
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: who loved Baker and kind of saw a little bit

987
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: of Brett Farven him. Do you think this front office

988
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: um innately believes in Baker? I mean they inherited him.

989
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: That that's tough in its own Do they believe in

990
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: him in what kind of season? What does Baker Mayfield

991
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: need to do to get an extension? Because it seems

992
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: like it's not just numbers, it's not just X, Y

993
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: and Z. It feels like playoffs or bus to some degree,

994
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: and the Baker Mayfield experience needs to be highly positive

995
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: for them to do anything. But move on. Yeah. I

996
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: I thought Andrew Berry showed remarkable restraint after Baker is

997
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: really good season in you know, the second half of

998
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: that season, in not extending him. I was one of

999
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: the guys locally I've had my I've had my my

1000
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: battles with Baker, and I felt he had proved enough

1001
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: to merit it the extension after that year. But Andrew

1002
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: Berry didn't. And he was totally healthy there and coming

1003
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: off a winning season and doing something no Brown's quarterback

1004
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: had done since nine win a playoff game on the road.

1005
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: So all all of the evidence was, all of the

1006
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: argument was there to extend them that, and they didn't.

1007
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: So I can't see them extending him now with so

1008
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: much doubt now. And and do they believe in him.

1009
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: I think they obviously do because they haven't replaced them,

1010
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: But I think it's not as strong as it was

1011
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: a year ago. They expected Baker to improve in the

1012
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: second year under Kevin Stefanski, and he regrets now. They

1013
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: have to determine how much the injury had to do

1014
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: with that. They've delivered mixed messages publicly about that injury,

1015
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: saying it had nothing to do with uh, you know,

1016
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: he practiced prior to games. He looked fine. He was

1017
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: unencumbered in practice. Uh, and that's not the reason he

1018
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: couldn't roll out and all that. And as soon as

1019
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: the season ended they started saying, we got to get

1020
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: him healthy and and hope he comes back. So the

1021
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: messages are mixed there. I don't believe during the season

1022
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: they attributed the injuries to his downward play. Maybe on

1023
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: second thought, they do a little bit more. Tony Grossy,

1024
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us and shining a

1025
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: light on this situation is still very murky, but there's

1026
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: only so much that we can know right now. But

1027
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: it appears that the Browns will he's not running under

1028
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: an American flag or getting trapped under one, and there

1029
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: are something more gotten used to now different sorts of problems.

1030
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: As an NFL fans, When you're at the bottom, you're

1031
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I would kill for like a mid

1032
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: level quarterback that brings me to the middle. But then

1033
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: once you're in the middle get the quarterback in the team,

1034
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: you're like, actually, this is a weird spot to be

1035
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: too right, And then if you end up with Kirk Cousins,

1036
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh man, the stats are good, but

1037
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: I want to win playoff games. Just remember this too.

1038
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: All those great quarterbacks now in the a f C.

1039
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: Mahomes Borough, Russell, Wilson, Herbert, none of them has a

1040
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: statue of himself in front of his college stadium like

1041
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: Baker will have in April. Lamar does, I think, but

1042
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson does that. Louisville r G three does it,

1043
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: Bailor But you know that. Listen, it's a small crew.

1044
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: And uh, thank you so much, Tony. We appreciate it,

1045
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: and good luck in the upcoming season and everything else.

1046
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks, thank you. There he goes. That's a

1047
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: local legend on the Cleveland beat. And you know what

1048
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: what Tony said. And Mark, we talked about it in

1049
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: the newsroom today because I'm writing an article for the

1050
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: dot com on best case, worst case, most likely scenario

1051
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks in some state of limbo. Like with Baker.

1052
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: We know he's not getting an extension this year. Uh,

1053
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: but he's probably not getting replaced either. And it just

1054
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: feels like the Browns are kind of just in the

1055
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: middle and there, and I don't I'm not against them

1056
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: for doing this, because I understand why they're kind of

1057
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: caught in the middle. But it is interesting to me

1058
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: and perhaps instructive that what Tony said about they came

1059
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: off Baker having a great second half, winning a playoff game,

1060
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: nearly knocking off the Chiefs, and they still didn't pay him.

1061
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: They didn't even like start The process of it makes

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00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: you makes you think that there's always been some doubts

1063
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: and last year just built on it and now it's

1064
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of like we don't want to get out, but

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00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: we also kind of you could kind of see where

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: this is heading. Yeah, I mean they're not that different

1067
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: looking at what Baker Mayfield gave you last year, for instance,

1068
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: then the Cults in the sense that like you could

1069
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: have maybe done there's a lot of chatter of you

1070
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: go lateral move where you go get a Jimmy g

1071
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: instead of Baker Mayfield and you still have a ton

1072
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: of problems. I think they're just sort of sitting pat

1073
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: and they're gonna let this thing play out for one

1074
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,479
Speaker 1: more year. I will give Baker may for one little

1075
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: bit of credit because we're not getting for everyone who

1076
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: thinks that he's this drama magnet left and right. I mean,

1077
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: he's not going Kyler Murray on the Browns he's been

1078
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: totally quiet about it. I think it's got to be

1079
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: humbling that there's no extension talk. But I don't see

1080
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: a Browns team and based on exactly what he said

1081
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: about Andrew Berry last offseason, that is gonna fall for

1082
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: pain in an extension at this point because I don't

1083
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: know where that money, what would that money be? First

1084
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: of all, the best case scenario for your thing to

1085
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: me for the Browns is like Baker has another one

1086
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: of those good Baker years and he gets tagged like

1087
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: that's how they just and they like kicking another year. Uh,

1088
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: kicked the can another year because his his highs haven't

1089
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: quite been high enough. I think that you're just like

1090
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: totally embrace it and the lows have been pretty low.

1091
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: He really struggled last year. I know the injuries were there,

1092
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: but he was not a good starting quarterback last year.

1093
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: But I don't think there's the the we gotta get

1094
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: rid of this guy vibes like they had with when

1095
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: Zackie for as We're taping released this article, just like

1096
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: how they had doubts about When's last summer because he

1097
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: couldn't take hard coaching and it just wasn't like fitty

1098
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: in that well in the locker room and stuff like that,

1099
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: and the accuracy and decision. Again, I don't think Baker's there.

1100
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: He's just in the middle and for a number one pick.

1101
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: But it's also doable if you want to understood, you

1102
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: know from a previous stopic coaching issues. But uh, and yes,

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01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: we we credited the Cults for seeing their guy who

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01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: had highs mixed in with lows and saying he's not

1105
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: our guy. Let's get rid of him. Uh, And we

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: credited him for that. The Browns what the other direction here?

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01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: And they're saying, we're gonna stick with him and see

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01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: how it plays out. And I you can make a

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01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: case for both because if, for instance, to use the

1110
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy g connection again, if the Colts end up with

1111
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: Jimmy g uh and I guess an extra draft pick

1112
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: or two, they're still kind of in the same place.

1113
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: The Browns at least this is their homegrown guy that's

1114
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: their number one pick on a rookie deal for one

1115
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: more year. You see kind of what you have and

1116
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: then you know whether or not for sure after this season,

1117
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: or you don't, or he's kind of the same thing

1118
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: he's been where there's some highs and lows, but he's

1119
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: got to stay healthy and everyone wants to stay employed.

1120
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: It's so tantalized because if they had had the one

1121
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: Browns defense, with the way the offense was playing in

1122
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: when they made the playoffs, like they could have won

1123
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: another playoff game, like they were in the mix, they

1124
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: were in effective offense. Mayfield, I think like a Kirk

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01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: Cousins has shown at the very least, he can be

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01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: the the uh what do they call it, like kind

1127
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: of the guy who's just driving the car. You know

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: he's not going to Yeah, he could. He can keep

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01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: them on the tracks with a nice little running game

1130
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: and defense. They can make the playoffs, keep everyone employed

1131
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: pretty good. Sick now you could say you are basking

1132
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: in it, and I mean I enjoyed it too. I

1133
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: thought it was a good conversation. Tony was great, Greg

1134
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: was excited. Mark with Mark wore a suit jacket today

1135
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: because the song I think is the highlight though to me,

1136
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: So thank you Sydney Carlson here enjoying um your first

1137
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: few months of marriage, like Carson Wentz was back. I mean,

1138
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: Sydney is a classy woman, young woman, and I can

1139
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: tell you, she will not be dropping the breadcrumbs seemingly

1140
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: everyone else does. Now, it's like, we get it. You're

1141
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: you're in the relationship. I think you would qualify as

1142
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: a hottie too. I mean, we don't know that. We

1143
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: don't know him. Maybe he's dropping on his knee like

1144
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and asking, uh an important question, you know,

1145
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: would you like to start having some babies? All right,

1146
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: I should stop. Let's take that out. Let's take that out.

1147
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: Don't take it out, staying right in there, say that's

1148
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: something that women are skilled at. But the thing with

1149
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson that continues to that was worse than anything.

1150
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: What that is something that women are good at. Yeah,

1151
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: but that's that's come on, just leave that into Yeah,

1152
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: it's staying now, I'm the only one that's getting off

1153
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: scot free. You not a positive aspect of the makeup. Yeah,

1154
01:02:51,560 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: like the bean the person in the US. No. My

1155
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,479
Speaker 1: point was that when Russell Wilson goes on the Ellen

1156
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: Show and drops down on a knee, he's not talking

1157
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: about he doesn't want to make his family bigger. He

1158
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: just wants everybody to know, which we can get a

1159
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: ninth grade. Well, I think he really their family is

1160
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: it is quite large that you know, they have been

1161
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: popping out those babies, by the way, the biggest takeaway

1162
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: and again why unfortunately Flashpoint goes back in on ice

1163
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. But it's like one of those

1164
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: series where it's you know what West used to always

1165
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: talk about northern exposure, northern exposure. That was his show.

1166
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: To me in this podcast, Flashpoint is my northern exposure.

1167
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I hope he gets exhumed down the

1168
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: line because obviously it sparks a lot of positive things,

1169
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: like Tony Grossi, a well known decorated beat man lighting

1170
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: up Mark like a Christmas tree. Let's let's listen back. Well,

1171
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: that's a great point mark, great point Mark, great point Mark.

1172
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: That's great point Mark, great point Mark that I think

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01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: is very underplayed nationally. That that means a lot to

1174
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: Mark to hear that from you, That that soundtrop I appreciate.

1175
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: Just think with Tony Grossie covering the Browns when you

1176
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: were writing those letters to the Belichick, who knew you know,

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01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: young Mark Sessler could have never imagined he was he

1178
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: was believe he was there, that he hadn't even finished

1179
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: his thought, and I said to Ricky, Ricky, we gotta

1180
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: get that clip because that will make Mark's day. And

1181
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: then what did Graver do? He goes upstairs, he cuts it,

1182
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: he runs it back down and now Mark, there you go.

1183
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: That was special, special work by Erica and Grave Digger.

1184
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: And I appreciate not only you on National Woman's Week, Erica,

1185
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: but also Grave Digger during not National Man's Week. Do

1186
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: you want to hear it again one more time? Sure? Okay,

1187
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: go ahead. Well that's a great point Mark, great point Mark,

1188
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: great point Mark. That's a great point Mark, great point Mark,

1189
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: very underplayed nationally. That that means a lot to Mark.

1190
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: To hear that from you, I would easterrect that. It's

1191
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: like a nineties second loop at ninety minute loop after

1192
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: the show, just then I play one little sound drop

1193
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: and it sends you off the complete rail. I said,

1194
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, just because you said a man was durable

1195
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: and it was funny and instead of you just going

1196
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: on with your point, you're like, I bring to you

1197
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: in this show my real personality the best I can.

1198
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: And I was agitated, So I appreciate it. I appreciate

1199
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: your moment. I also appreciate you guys, you know on

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: International Woman's Month, asking everybody about their pop culture things

1201
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: and skipping over the one woman on this I was

1202
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: getting to you to close the show. The other stuff

1203
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: that Mark said, like five minutes ago he tried to

1204
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: narrow down to National Woman's Week week, I thought it

1205
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: was I actually thought that it was a day and

1206
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: I elongated it to a week. Yeah, just three weeks

1207
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: for intention. Well, it's just like any woman's birthday at

1208
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: this point in the thirties, Just celebrate it for an

1209
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: entire month. Want to hear you personal? Am I wrong?

1210
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: Take the shovel out we had? I thought we had

1211
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: ended the show. What mean to you? Just procreate for

1212
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: the month? No? I think I think you said what

1213
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: they're good at. You celebrate the broad spectrum of their

1214
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: abilities and gifts and what they bring to the earth.

1215
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: Anyone wanting to hear Eric, because you know pop culture recommendations,

1216
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: you can hear it weekly on the jessel Nick and

1217
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: Rosenthal Vanity Project. There you go. Does that count? Does

1218
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: that now to pop culture recommendations by you? Mark? Greg

1219
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: you had the man that made you cry. It's a

1220
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: whole team. It's a school for the death. I mean

1221
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: you say it's so condescending. I'm not being condescending. It's

1222
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: very much just a regular football team. It's called Audible.

1223
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: It's on Netflix. It's good. It got nominated for an

1224
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: Oscar Audible number one, Gang of Youths number two. Uh, Mark,

1225
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: you had waiting time about the Lakers number three. Then

1226
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: Greg comes off the second turn buckle plugging his podcast.

1227
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: So you can check out Erica Weekly, you know, recommending, right,

1228
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: but we know what you're really doing there. You're goting

1229
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: to plug in for yourself and that's Goods also suggests

1230
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: that Eric has been squeezed out of this part of

1231
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: the show. Weren't stand for that during this month we're

1232
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: building up well, I mean just especially during this month.

1233
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: This is your month to be treated equally well. Thank you.

1234
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: So you could check out the Billboard Top ten Hits

1235
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: of February two. And we have a very special for

1236
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: the UK audience episode coming up this week on the

1237
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: Throwback podcast. And finally, Erica your recommendation in the pop

1238
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: culture realm. Well, there's a lot going on right now,

1239
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: but I'm really into the after party on UM. I

1240
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: think it's Apple TV. It is and it is awesome.

1241
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: Every episode is a different genre and from a different

1242
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: person's perspective of a murder that happens. But it's a

1243
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: bunch of comedians and it's like, it's not laugh out

1244
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: loud funny, but it's very very smart in the way

1245
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: that it's written. It's very funny, very sarcastic. If you're

1246
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: into that type that type of stuff, super into it.

1247
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: What if I told you that my wife, who works

1248
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: for my wife, who I didn't I have not to

1249
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: this point, works for that particular company. Oh yeah, right

1250
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: right and worked on that show. I'm glad you enjoy it.

1251
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: Not yet, she's been trying to get me to see it.

1252
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: It's really great with my wife all twelve months. What's

1253
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: so sweet? Am I supposed to just say the same

1254
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: to look? Well, you you have you anyway, you just

1255
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: be you And alright, let's signed down the show now

1256
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: it's like five minutes ago. Wait, she never gets a

1257
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: great point. Mark all right. We'll be back tomorrow with

1258
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: our third show and the ramp up to free agency.

1259
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: We'll be talking the state of the Seahawks, the latest news,

1260
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: and anything else that crosses our way. Remember the TV

1261
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: shows back from its own hiatus on Friday on NFL Network,

1262
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: So check that out. And h that's it all right,

1263
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: that's all Grave diggers like, Oh yeah, pop culture recommendations

1264
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: to your conversation. Great, but thanks for getting that until Thursday.

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01:09:37,880 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: He's the call St.