1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, oh no, wow. Saudi Arabia heavyweight boxing in 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: Ghano versus Joshua and boom went the former UFC heavyweight 3 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: champion from the absolute dynamite of Ajay. I'm Brian Campbell 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: of Morning Combat here to break it down. Welcome into 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: the post fight analysis show. That was vicious, That was violent, 6 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: that was unexpected obviously in some ways, and the totality 7 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: of the one sided nature. For all the thoughts we 8 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: had coming into this about whether this was about Francis 9 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: and Ghanu's story and how much of that performance last 10 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: October and a disputed split decision lost to Tyson Fury. 11 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: Fury being overweight was you know, magic was an aberration? 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Was excuse? Excuse? Excuse? Most of us raised rightfully so 13 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: our expectations of what and Ghanu could do against Joshua. 14 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: But styles do make fights. Can't look away from that 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: being a very out of shape Fury last fall and 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua when he acts like that, when he behaves 17 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: like that, when he speaks like that, when he thinks 18 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: like that, when he makes ice cold killer looks like 19 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: that without celebrating after delivering the boom, he quickly realized 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: it was the wrong guy on the wrong night, and 21 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: that extremely large gap in true experience and form and technique, 22 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: which in Ghana was able to I don't want to 23 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: say fudge but not expose himself against Fury because he 24 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: was limiting himself to just one punch out of time 25 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: again would ultimately cost him on the scorecards. But this 26 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: is just a different fight against a different fighter who 27 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: is more dangerous when he's dialed in, and that's Anthony Joshua. 28 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: A lot to sort of sort out here in a 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: fight that didn't even last two full rounds, but it's 30 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: hard to ignore so much of the unknown. Now moving forward, 31 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: for Francisan Ghanu, this is AJ's story. That's what ultimately 32 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: this fight was about, and it's you know, I'm not 33 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: gonna meme and Ghano. I'm not gonna laugh at him. 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean that was violent, and I think for a 35 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: little bit we're all sort of, you know, praying that 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: he was gonna be okay. I mean, he ultimately gave 37 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: him oxygen and he and he came back under and 38 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: stood on his own power. But you know, I don't 39 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: even want to do what a lot of boxing folks 40 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: are doing. Fighters, fans, media and saying you know that 41 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: one was for boxing. No. I mean what in Ghanu 42 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: did against Fury changed us in a lot of ways, 43 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: not just our expectations or the respect we had for him. 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: And ghan was a tough out. You're not gonna know 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: that by the way this fight went. And I do 46 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: think the the technical key technical error and going to 47 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: that switching stance to south Paul, which isn't something he 48 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: did a ton in MMA either. Obviously, if your defense 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: isn't up to up to snuff with your off hand, 50 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: you can leave that opening, and boy did he. And 51 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: ever since that first round right cross, which exposed his 52 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: inexperience in that stance landed, Boy was it downhill quick 53 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: for Anganu. But before that happened, I think you can 54 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: make the argument that he actually looked better this time around. 55 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: You didn't have better success, But I mean physically he's 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: always a brick shit house as they as they used 57 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: to say in my hometown, but he was just that 58 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: next level. I mean, he looked like a tank out there. 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: Did you see his back muscles? I mean it was 60 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: just absolutely ridiculous. And I think he really in that 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: five months six month gap since last since the fight 62 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: in October, I think he really stepped up his game. Now, 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: it's hard to make that statement when you see him 64 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: get ultimately splattered in such debilitating ways and shocking ways, 65 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: giving his history of chin and recuperativeness and inspiration and 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: all of that. But I mean these were clean shots 67 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: off of technical errors that no one's gonna withstand, no 68 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: one's gonna get up from. I mean he got up twice. 69 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: But ever since the first knockdown, I think it did 70 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: shake him enough where even though he was able to regroup, 71 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: he didn't look like he was on spaghetti legs, he 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: wasn't able to regain any form of control. I actually 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: thought he was winning the first round up until that 74 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: knockdown happened. Not overly impressive, but jabbing to the body 75 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: nice counter left hooks. Every time AJ tried to jab 76 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: to the body himself and dipped his head down to 77 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: his right, those little counter left hooks were there. Shows 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: you a nice wrinkle and improvement. But there was a 79 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: confidence in Enghandu that I thought the announced team Todd 80 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: Grisham leading that all star cast of Big Darren Barker, 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: Big British heroes on there in saying that you know, 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: was it too confident, was it too cocky? Well, look, 83 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, you don't want to say he doesn't have 84 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: big time power. That used to be the reputation of him. 85 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: But I think since hooking up with sugar Hill Stewarts 86 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: new trainer and really sitting down on punches being the 87 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: bigger fighter. I always say Tyson Fury's fight with Otto 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: Valhalen where he had that vicious cut, where his heavyweight 89 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: title was, you know, hanging in the balance in the 90 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: future fights that he was going to have. I think 91 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: he learned that night how to be six foot nine 92 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: and lean and lean into your shots and be powerful. 93 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: And he's turned himself around. We saw that in the 94 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: second and third wild of their fights into being a 95 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: big puncher. I mean, if you're six foot nine and 96 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: you're athletic and you're quick like he is, and you 97 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: step into one, you can lay somebody out. But he 98 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: does not, or never had the type of power where 99 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: people go flying, beautiful knockout of Dillian White Tyson Fury 100 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: had on that upper cut inside. But AJ has real 101 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: ridiculous power and he has always had. He's always been 102 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: an incredible finisher with both hands. His uppercuts have been 103 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: Lennox Lewis like, and I don't think that's hyperbole. It's 104 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: just been the disconnect which started in the first loss 105 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: to Angie, to Andy Ruiz's first loss of his career 106 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen and MSG and he never really 107 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: put Humpty Dumpty back together again, you know, the two 108 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: USK losses, the meltdown after the second fight. I didn't 109 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: think he'd ever be this guy again, the guy he 110 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: was against Otto Valleen just in December a few months ago, 111 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: and then the guy he ultimately was here. But like 112 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: I said off the top, all the talk that this 113 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: was going to be in Ghanu's story, now we got 114 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: to figure out if a gan who's story should continue, 115 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, in boxing or MMA and combat in general, 116 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: what will be the long term physical and psychological damage 117 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: of a knockout this vicious, this extreme dang. I mean, 118 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: let me catch my breath, their dang. It felt like 119 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: a heat check moment, you know, when you're playing an 120 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: NBA jam and it doesn't even matter if you're you know, 121 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: if you're using true All Stars or some of those 122 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: bootleg guys they let on there. Remember that time the 123 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: Mavericks had Mike Izolino, that little white shooting guard from 124 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: Saint Francis to college and he made the NBA Jam game. 125 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: But if he get if even if he gets on fire, 126 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: it's nothing but nylon. It's just going to explode into flames. 127 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: But inevitably, for the for the long elongated basketball reference, 128 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: you got to throw one up from about thirty feet 129 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: to check, to check if it's real, to check if 130 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna last. Whatever. Magic and Ghanu had against Fury 131 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: through Fury being unfocused, through that beautiful counter left hand 132 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: that was delivered beautifully, And I thought David Hay in 133 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: the lead up to this fight in the des Own 134 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: broadcast really spelled out perfectly why and Ghanu was dangerous 135 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: from a technical standpoint in such short time transitioning to 136 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: the sport, how he was able to turn his punches 137 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: over and be that powerful. But styles made fights, and 138 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: once those mistakes kicked in, and once she realized that 139 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: the demeanor Tyson Fury seemed to have brought in there 140 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: in October wasn't as serious as it needed to be, 141 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: there was pressure on him of the of will something 142 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: happened in this fight. A cut, a loss that could 143 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: ruin his eventual Unified Superclass undisputed with Alexander Usik, which 144 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: was supposed to be just a few months later. And 145 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: then we know what happened with the cut to Fury 146 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: and now it's delayed to May. But the the mianor 147 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: of Tyson Fury once he got dropped in round three 148 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: was survive in advance. It was let's almost curl up 149 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: into a shell box, jab from the outside and just 150 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, clinch and get out of trouble. The intentions 151 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: that AJ brought in were of a stone cold killer. 152 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: And I think in hindsight you can say, I mean, look, 153 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: did we I don't want to say overvalue the chin 154 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: of wild of Ngandu, but I think we came in 155 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: here with the idea that even with AJ being a puncher, 156 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: the best bet was the over that this would go 157 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: the distance. I believe that. I believe that, not that 158 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: in God who couldn't be knocked out. But we like 159 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: saw the beating he took for four rounds in the 160 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: first DPA fight. We saw you know, we've seen him 161 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: get tagged and just shake it off like nothing like 162 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: that lead elbow from Tyson Fury in October that was 163 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: highly illegal and almost seemed to be purposely thrown and 164 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: it didn't even shake him at all. And like I mentioned, 165 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: it's not like Tyson Furry slaps you when he steps 166 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: into the punches. They're big, but he's human after all. 167 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: And when you're going to give openings and make mistakes 168 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: to somebody like AJ, who can box, I mean AJ 169 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: can out box pretty much every heavyweight not named Usk 170 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: or Fury can out box. I mean, he's got those skills. 171 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: They just weren't super elite where I think when you 172 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: add in the knockout loss to Ruiz and then the 173 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: fact that I think he just thought, well, when I 174 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: fight usick man, I'm gonna be the better fighter. I'm 175 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: just going to be the better fighter and out box him, 176 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: and it just didn't realize the true skill across from 177 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: him and the need for him to turn into a 178 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: different fighter in that moment, to be physical and lean 179 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: on the smaller heavyweight Usic to go to the body, 180 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: chase him down a corner. I mean, there was some 181 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: good that AJ did. They were, you know, the first 182 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: fight was wider than the scores indicated. The second fighter 183 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: thought AJ fought a lot better. But I just didn't 184 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: think he ever be that destroyer again. I just never 185 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: thought he would believe in his power like that again. 186 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: And it's like, do we credit the four day Darkness 187 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: isolation retreat that he went on before the Otto Voileen 188 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: fight in December with completely changing him? I don't know. 189 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, he's different now. He's been real different ever 190 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: since that melt down in the second Usik fight. Obviously, 191 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: the AJ's different goes all the way back to the 192 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: Ruiz fight, like I mentioned, But man, those last few 193 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: fights before the Vollein one, it's like AJ just looked 194 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: like he didn't know his own identity. He didn't know 195 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: who he is or who was supposed to be, and 196 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: the pressures of being the golden boy for so long, 197 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: not the Oscar de la Holio, but the twenty twelve 198 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: Olympic gold medalist who, by winning that ignited a boxing 199 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: fervor in the UK that is just still on fire today, 200 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, American gets a lot of credit too, 201 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: but I mean Joshua was their guy. It still is. 202 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: But what he's doing right now, even against in Ghana 203 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: with the limited ability, I mean, this is like, you know, 204 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: like Holy Field, like this is what you know the 205 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: greats do? I mean, you can it's hard to compare 206 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: guys in different eras, in different times, at different sizes, right, 207 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: It's always going to be hard to be but like, 208 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: you can only fight who's in your era now. I 209 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: believe that up to a certain point, I felt that 210 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: some people Dan Rayfield included, we're almost overvaluing the run 211 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: Vladimir Klitschko had and piling up all those title defenses 212 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: but doing it in the most boring and safe manner 213 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: by the second half of his career and just being 214 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: in a in an era devoid of danger once he 215 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: put it together finally, and it's a credit to him 216 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: for longevity for sure. But you know, would he have 217 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: held a belt that long even in this era? No, no, no, 218 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have. And and what AJ's doing to reinvent 219 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: himself is incredible. He's already a two time champion. And 220 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: even though they went ham on the hyperbole afterwards, him 221 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: as promoter Eddie Hearn from the standpoint of like this 222 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: is the best heavyweight in the world, the most dangerous now, 223 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: I mean, even though that's hyperbole because he just lost 224 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: twice to Usik, who's gonna be in the undisputed clash, 225 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: and I get, I get, and I don't blame him. 226 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: He's a promoter, Eddie Hearn basically saying, we hope Fury 227 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: goes out there and beats and beats that guy Husick. Well, yeah, 228 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: because he's not lying when he says Fury Joshua could 229 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: be one of the biggest fights ever. Now he's saying 230 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna be the biggest fight of all time. I 231 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: don't believe that, but it'll be freaking massive. I mean, 232 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: AJ doing eighty thousand, ninety thousand soccer stadiums him in Fury, 233 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: whether it's in Jerry World, you know, soccer stadium in 234 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: the UK, Saudi Arabia for two billion dollars around a helipad. 235 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a monster fight with their personalities and 236 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: the history at stake, but it's actually rate for boxing 237 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: and heavyweight boxing that Aj is able to come back around. 238 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: Did not think it was possible three fights ago, really didn't. 239 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: It was still young enough, right, He's only what like 240 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty four, but he had become a it 241 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: seemed he had become a malcontent, and once you start 242 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: changing trainers on the regular yet each performance you're not 243 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: making the positive enough changes to your game while you're 244 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: changing trainers. It felt like a constant disconnect. Well, whatever 245 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: he's doing, even though he's still producing cringe post fight interviews, 246 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: which sometimes it looks like he's trying to be funny 247 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: or trying to be hip and cool in ways that 248 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: he maybe isn't. I'm not going to make fun of 249 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: him because I want my heavyweight champions to be like that. 250 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: I want them to believe in their power. I want 251 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: them to be gun slingers. I want them to do 252 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: exactly what he did to in Gond And in some ways, 253 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, you can always argue that that was the 254 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: best strategy, because you know that's what I'm The point 255 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: I was trying to get to when I talked about 256 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: in Gondo's chin is we overvalued it in a lot 257 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: of ways because we've seen him be so superhuman. His 258 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: story to get here is superhuman. It's incredible his life story. So, 259 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: but he's human and if you're going to get a 260 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: Joshua that's going to run after that, run into that 261 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: make that uncomfortable. Fury look disinterested early, but like I mentioned, 262 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: when he finally got touched by and God, it was like, 263 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: oh crap, Like this guy not only hits as hard 264 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: as they say that he does with both hands, but 265 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: he can he can find a way to get it 266 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: to me faster and more and more technical than I 267 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: thought he could. And it's not perfectly technical. And those 268 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: gaps again got exposed here in this matchup. But aj 269 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: going after him like he did, well, did he really 270 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: go after him? I mean, he went after him when 271 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: he had him hurt. But I think it is that mistake, 272 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: that mistake of turning south Paul, that was the beginning 273 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: of the end. It felt like the mistake Wideman made 274 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: against rock Hold to lose the title. It felt like 275 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: the mistake ChIL Sonen made in the second Anderson Silva 276 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: fight or Stefan Bonner made in the Anderson silver fight too. 277 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: It felt like one of those mistakes you don't come 278 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: back from. I mean, to his credit in Ghana, who's 279 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: got such an incredible will, he was able to get 280 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: up from the first two knockdowns, the second one coming 281 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: in that second round. But that first knockdown in the 282 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: second round was absolutely brutal to the side of the ear. 283 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: That's one of those equilibrium ones that just leaves you 284 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: a mess. But when and Ghanu got up from that 285 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: second knockdown, the first one in the second round, the 286 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: finishing shot was just oh my god. I mean to 287 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: hear those announcers say that might be the most brutal 288 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: right hand knockout shot I've seen live ever. I mean, 289 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: it's your hard pressed when you watch that in slow motion, 290 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: and when you know the chin of and Ghanu, you'd 291 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: be hard pressed to say you've ever seen one that 292 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: that that violent in a fight like this. I mean 293 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: you have obviously, I mean, God, Pacchio, Marcus for anybody, right, 294 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean, good Lord. But you know, Pakio also leaped 295 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: into that incredibly recklessly and irresponsibly because he was so 296 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: caught up in the moment there at the end of 297 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: the round. But I mean that right Cross, you had 298 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: a hurt in Ghanu got up, you know, equilibrium damage, 299 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: but it happened so fast before he could even get 300 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: his full guard up. That right was just damn. I 301 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: was on HQ, just CBS Sports, HQ just Now with 302 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: Luke Thomas live and you know, and he really, you know, 303 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm the one afterwards he was trying to fantasy mask 304 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: matchmake and go. Okay, I know, and Gano just got derailed, 305 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: But like mcgainst Yanti Wilder still kind of makes sense, right, 306 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: it's big money. Somebody's getting knocked out. It's the two 307 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: biggest punchers and calmbat sports history. And Deontay Wilder just 308 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: looked in December against Joseph Parker like you shouldn't even 309 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: be in the ring anymore. That's the carny mind of 310 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: my pro wrestling matchmaking heart. But what Luke said, in 311 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: the reality of the severity of a knockout like that 312 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: is massive. I mean, he was knocked the hell out. 313 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: They didn't show the replay for a long time for 314 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: a reason. They had to kind of revive him with 315 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: the oxygen. It was tough to see. Knowing Francis story, 316 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: it was hard not to cheer for him from a 317 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: sporting standpoint, from a human interest standpoint, and he's not dead, 318 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: but you wonder what this does to the psyche. Now 319 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: he's got a psyche in a will and the ability 320 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: to rebound in ways that like regular humans are never 321 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: gonna understand, right, but still, there's a tax to pay 322 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: for a loss like this, and sometimes it is to 323 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: make you a little bit gun shy. I mean, he 324 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: was maybe a little bit too confident in the first round. 325 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: Maybe Tay Grisham was right, you know, too confident to 326 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: switch and kind of leave himself open. But the errors 327 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: he made in round two that set up these two, 328 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: these two big shots, they were him lunging, leaning, really 329 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: just trying to re you know, shake the codwoods, regain himself. 330 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: But in his attempts to do that, just just slightly 331 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: off the beat. And if you're slightly off the beat 332 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: against somebody like aj who does have, you know, really 333 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: good technique. Again, he's not gonna outbox Fury or Usik, 334 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: and that was a tough pill for him to swallow 335 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: twice against Usik, but he's gonna out box anybody else. 336 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: And he learned on the job, you know, he didn't 337 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: pick up the sport. I mean, it is a really 338 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: remarkable story. And I know that he's given a lot 339 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: of people reason to kind of turn on him and 340 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: not like him. And he did sound like a heel 341 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: at times in that postpid interview. But the reason why 342 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: I won't crap on him for it is because like Stella, 343 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: got a groove back here. You know what, I mean, 344 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: like he deserves to take that that sort of victory lap, 345 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 1: only he really didn't, which I respected, and maybe it 346 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: was out of the fear of him knowing just how 347 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: big that punch was that dropped and finished and knocked 348 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: out cold and gone to and the fact that he 349 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: said afterwards that you know, he broke bread with Andhano. 350 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: It seems like it's really hard to hate francisc Ghanu, right, 351 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: if you meet him, if you interview him, if you 352 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: read about him. I mean, you know, Dana's really upset 353 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: him that he chose to stay with the six hundred 354 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: thousand for the Sheryl Gun fight so he can get 355 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: out of his contract rather than accept the five million 356 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: which comes with that, right, the renegotiated super long restrictive deal. 357 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the bags, multiple bags he has 358 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: been able to take home. I'm sure he'll end up 359 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: in with one fight in the PFL at least, right, 360 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's big bags to take home there. 361 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: But like, I don't want to rush him back into 362 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: the boxing ring despite that Deontay Wild their matchup Idea 363 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: or the PFL Smart Cage without making sure that he 364 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: wants to continue to do this. I think he will though, 365 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: because of the competitor in him and because the class 366 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: thing that AJ did afterwards. Oh they finished my thought 367 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: on AJ. When he knocked him out cold. It was 368 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: ice cold from AJ. But I think some of that 369 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: was posturing, because that's the new demeanor that he's operating under. 370 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: But some of that was also, like, you know, I 371 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: had to do him dirty, and that's another human who 372 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: I respect. But yeah, it seems like nobody can say 373 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: a bad thing for a reason about Francisin Gano, so 374 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: I want to give him his space recover from this. 375 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: But AJ showed a lot of class afterwards when he 376 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: went to the well many times in telling Francis, his 377 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: team and the audience that this guy shouldn't be done. 378 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: You got to come back. You'll you're good, like you'll 379 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: beat many people. And I actually believe that if he 380 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: wants to, more than I even did when I wrote 381 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: in a postfight call him after Mayweather McGregor. And now 382 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: we sort of like, all these years later, we almost 383 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: really pooh pooh Connor's efforts. And maybe some of that 384 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: is because of the changing, evolving narrative, and you know, 385 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: people in Floyd's team told me this after the fight, 386 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: that oh he didn't really actually train that hard. Like 387 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: how that played out was exactly what he was trying 388 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: to do. You know, read the potentially dangerous opponent, let 389 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: him get tired out, and then you know, put the 390 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: pressure on him, walk him down, rely on your you know, 391 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: huge built in advantages and knowledge and experience and all that. 392 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: But I remember after that fight going, you know, I 393 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: kind of really wanted to, but it would be a 394 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: long road. But if you really wanted to, he did 395 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: seem to have certain instincts that were very good. Now 396 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: I still do this day wonder for all the hype 397 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: talk we said about well MacGregor's got that one punch 398 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: power and Floyd's forty and obviously that was to sell it, 399 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: but to some degree because McGregor hadn't outlived his magic yet, 400 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: I had not lived that run where anything felt possible. 401 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: You almost talked yourself into it, or you wanted to 402 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: talk yourself into that idea that he could do that. 403 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: But no, the power didn't transfer, The power didn't carry. 404 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: Even that really nice left uppercut to the Adams Apple 405 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: of Floyd in round one that he hit didn't really 406 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: seem to rough Floyd up. Well, yeah, Francis is a 407 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: lot different because his power is so absurd that, you know, 408 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: you wonder, in almost a Deontay Wilder like sense, even 409 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: if he didn't work on his craft and just went 410 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: out there relied on the power, could he still beat 411 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: a lot of guys? He probably could, But he might 412 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: if he can recover from this physically and mentally in 413 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 1: a way that keeps him the same level motivated. I 414 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: didn't you know how fresh how much did he lose 415 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: on the odometer here at thirty seven with this type 416 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: of devastation. I don't know. I don't know. But if 417 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: he wants to come back, his skills are. You got 418 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: to give him credit. You got to give credit to 419 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: Dewey Cooper, Eric Nick Sick, the extended team, their shout 420 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: out to Snapchat Randy. I mean, you got to give 421 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: credit all the way around. It's not good enough to 422 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: be DJ and it got exposed against Agree one hundred percent. 423 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: But there's very few heavyweights that are fury Usic and 424 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: this version of AJ right really. I mean, Joseph Parker 425 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: looked great tonight against Jean Joula, who knocked Parker down 426 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: twel Okay, did it look great. He got knocked down twice, 427 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: But Jean Zeleel did bang bang zang things where he 428 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: kind of didn't have the stamina to finish the job 429 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: or even give himself a true argument to win the fight. 430 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: But there are very in this Renaissance era of heavyweight 431 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: that I always brag about because the Clitch Go Run 432 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: was so difficult to watch as excitedly right, But when 433 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: Fury upset Clits going twenty fifteen, it changed, You could 434 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: feel it changing, and then we were like, Wow, if 435 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: all these guys could end up being good Wilder, Joshua Fury, 436 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, one day Usik might go to heavyweight. 437 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: And you know there were other guys around. Jose Parker 438 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: was one of them back then. He was a big 439 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: time prospect and you know won the title early did 440 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: he beat Tyson, Fury's cousin, Hughey, I believe for the 441 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: belt and the majority decision, and beat Andy Ruiz too 442 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: in a much earlier version of him. But the Renaissance 443 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: era is more about fights that matter. Now, it does 444 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: turn out that we're getting all time greats. I'm not 445 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: here to tell you that like this Usic Fury Joshua 446 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: Trio with Wilder that like these four Kings, if you will, 447 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: are you know better than Ali Norton, Fraser Formana or 448 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: even the great nineties group that I just mentioned, which 449 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: also included, by the way, Mike Tyson and and Dan 450 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: George Foreman and Michael Moore to go along with Bo Holyfield, 451 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: Lewis you know Tyson again, Ray Mrsa. I mean just 452 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: the nineties and the seventies were incredible. But like the 453 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: rest of boxing history, has always been shallow heavyweight divisions. 454 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: I mean we always put that that that tag on 455 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: whew what the UFC used to be well kind of 456 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: still is today in terms of a lack of extended depth. 457 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard to find, you know, ten fifteen 458 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: all super elite title worthy, world class contenders at any 459 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: point in either sport at heavyway. It's it's it's difficult 460 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: in that regard. But is in Ganu ready to beat 461 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: a second tier guy right now like Joseph Parker? I 462 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: mean probably not, But like I said, the step down 463 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: below a j Fury. You know what wild there used 464 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: to be Usik. Obviously, it can be steep, it can 465 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: be hit or miss. I mean you know, bang Bang 466 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: Jiang zhang Zula look great in turning his career around 467 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: and twice knocking out Joe Joyce to win that secondary 468 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: title that he lost tonight. But you know, he looked 469 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: like a mess for most of his career before that 470 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 1: gas and now all the time. Dropped Jerry Forest three times, 471 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: but couldn't finish him off, ended up settling for a 472 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: draw because he gassed out so hard. He nearly died afterwards, 473 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: and they found out he was so dehydrated because he 474 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: said I didn't drink water. I didn't know I was 475 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: supposed to as a boxer like heavyway divisions, wild and Ghano, 476 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: I think could if he wanted to. Is he hits 477 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: hard enough and has it has a sturdy enough foundational base. 478 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: It's unorthodox, as we saw against Fury, but it works. 479 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: They've adapted, They've made it work again. I liked a 480 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: lot of the body language and the movement and the 481 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: fluidity of Angano in the first two minutes of that 482 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: first round before he switched stances and destruction came. But uh, 483 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right move for him. 484 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: You could do big money fight against Wilder. You could 485 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: eventually do a rematch against Fury, you know, especially if 486 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: in Goando decided he wanted to step down considerably and 487 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: start building back up, you know, maybe show up on 488 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: the next Saudi card in the comine or that one 489 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: of the early fights for less money, but to gain 490 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: that experience if he wanted to, actually think he could so, 491 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: which goes back to my original opening thing of we 492 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: were trying to figure out when handicapping this fight, how 493 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: much was was was a fluke in that first fight? 494 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: How much was it the fat Fury? It's like a 495 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: little bit of both. It's like a little bit of both. 496 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: We did see it Anghano, who he might not be 497 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: Bo Jackson, but he's way better than he should be. 498 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: Without question, He's a freak. He's an absolute freak. I 499 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: don't want to see what he has if he wants to. 500 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: It is more intriguing right now than what's available the PFL. 501 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: It just is Hannon Fader just you know, knocked out 502 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: Ryan Bader, you know, brutally, and I would like to 503 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: see that fight. But you know, is that a marquee 504 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: pay per view? How much is the PFL happy because 505 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: this looks like it could be the end of Francis's 506 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: boxing career or is the PFL does this damage Francis's 507 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: brand for what the PFL wants to do? That's all 508 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: interesting questions. Does this make him a vulnerable MMA fighter now? 509 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Because he has not fought an MMA since what January 510 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: of twenty two against Cyril Ghn. Yeah, it has been 511 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: a long time. There are a lot of questions. I 512 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what Francis does next, but 513 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: if I did have to guess, I know the heart 514 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: in him. I do think he comes back. I do 515 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: think what he said leading up to this fight about 516 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm only just beginning. I think AJ's right 517 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: if you wanted to continue to add to this. Even 518 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: at thirty seven. We don't worry about that age as much. 519 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean, look at what George Foreman did at forty five. Okay, 520 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: what Mike Tyson's trying to do at fifty eight. A 521 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: lot a lot of people criticizing me for, you know, 522 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: almost supporting that fight. I guess I just sort of nothing. 523 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this one surprised me, but like nothing surprises 524 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: me any more in combat sports, especially in this era 525 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: of crazy crossover, ridiculous YouTubers that Damn, that's brilliantly matched. 526 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: I mean it is, it's brilliantly matched. But we do 527 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of interesting stuff going on in the 528 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: reg heavyweight division where we don't need that. We've got 529 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: Fury Usik coming up. We've got to in May eighteenth, 530 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: We've got a rematch after that. I mean, you just 531 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: saw Joe Joseph Parker kind of put himself back on 532 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: the map. You have Philip Ergovic who's the number one 533 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: contender for Usik's IBF title and will become the IBF 534 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: champion after the first Fury Usk fight, because then he'll 535 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: be contractually you know, he's taking step aside money, but 536 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: he's no longer going to do that, so Usik will 537 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: be stripped regardless. But aj reviving himself, as I said earlier, 538 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: is just monumental for boxing right now. It's great. You know, 539 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: you would want your big pillars and stars to be 540 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: able to reload, regroup like this. He is back. He 541 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: is back, and I do think it's Ben Davison, and 542 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean I mean, Ben Davison had a 543 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: lot of success and was a big part of Tyson 544 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: Fury coming back from from near depth and depression and 545 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: obesity and all of that. But then Fury kind of 546 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: kicked him to the side and said, you did good, 547 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: but I do need this change. I need to be 548 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: more offensive, I need to be the cronk style. And 549 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: in the end, you know, it served him very well. 550 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 1: But Ben Davison is a good fighter technically, defensively, seems 551 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: to get on even though he's very young, right he 552 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: was like twenty five when he was training Fury. He 553 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: is the wonder kid. He seems to get along well 554 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: with the fighters. AJ's in the spot where he was 555 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: sort of satellite still connected with Derek James, but Derek 556 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: James was very busy. Now he's got Ryan Garcia, and 557 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: I think the comfortability of being there with Ben Davison 558 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: the first time last fight, I think he's pushed old 559 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: Derek James to the side. And he did the same 560 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: thing to Robert Garcia, to Virgil Hunter. I mean, he's 561 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: bounced around lately, but Oscar Deale Hoyer used to bounce 562 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: around a lot too, particularly in the second half of 563 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: his career, and sometimes you know Migalkoto too to some degree. 564 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: But when Miguel Coto found Freddie Roach, it just locked 565 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: and it worked. And when Oscar de la Hoya found 566 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: Floyd Senior, it just worked. It was somebody that just 567 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: motivated him, didn't take shit. It just you know, had 568 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 1: the right thing to say, pushed him in different areas, 569 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: expanded and enhanced certain parts of his game. That's that's. 570 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: That connection with Ben Davison is nasty, and I think 571 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: it's it's on a lot mentally, along with whatever the 572 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: changes AJ has gone through personally to sort of rewire 573 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: and reload, it's working. It's working. That Fury fight, if 574 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: Fury gets through Usick twice is it's a big one. 575 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: That's that's what we want. I mean that that's one 576 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: of those era defining fights that there's we're gonna have 577 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: it on disputed Champion soon for a minute, and then 578 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: that belt's going to go over to Philip Bergovic. But 579 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: all right, enough Babbel in here, Okay, had a good 580 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: time talking to you. Thank you, MK forever, big news 581 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: next week. Thank you. You usually have to C two 582 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: ninety nine Saturday night post show here. Don't miss it. 583 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: Luke Thomas, you'll see him. I am BC, but I'm 584 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: out here, all right. I mean that was I mean 585 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: that was kind of gross. It was well timed, but 586 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: it was just, I mean, it was enough. I don't 587 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: that this has to be this has to be the