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Speaker 1: We're back for another episode of Unsigned and Independent with

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Speaker 1: Old Kevin O'Connell aka Kickoff Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Who's the artist Kevin?

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Speaker 3: We got Royal Linn in on this week.

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Speaker 2: Royal Len sounds very regal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a Canadian.

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Speaker 2: That's probably why it sounds regal.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Canadians are very nice. Once I was in Toronto and

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Speaker 1: I was lost, and I have my phone up and

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Speaker 1: I was trying to find this place on the map

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Speaker 1: and I thought I was about to be mugged. And

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Speaker 1: the person was like, can I help you find your place?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you might be the nicest

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Speaker 1: mucker ever. They saw me struggling.

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Speaker 2: And so Royal Lynn.

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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about Royal Lan because I'm

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Speaker 1: assuming Royal Lyn is a female.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so tell me about her.

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Speaker 4: So she's got this sound to her and this look

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Speaker 4: to her called that she calls names it punk tree,

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Speaker 4: and it's kind of like a hearty feel to it.

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Speaker 4: It's got country lyrics but a punk rock sound to it.

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Speaker 3: And that's what drew me to her.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, wow, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Royal Lynn from Ontario, Canada, Canada, Nashville, twenty fifteen. Does

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Speaker 1: she play instrument like she is she a player too?

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Speaker 1: Like does she play and sing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, guitar lead singer.

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Speaker 4: She got a great band, she's got a great.

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Speaker 3: Look to her, and she's got a lot going on

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever sang? Have you ever been a singer?

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Speaker 2: I have not? Are you a singer?

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Speaker 3: Depends how many drinks we have.

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like you'd be the kind of guy

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Speaker 1: to surprise us and be like, well, actually I sang

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Speaker 1: in you know my high school cool?

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Speaker 2: I mean you did move all over Europe?

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I've been to fourteen countries over there.

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Speaker 2: So it's like that's surprising, Like you didn't you live there? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I lived there for three months in Spain and done

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Speaker 4: a lot of traveling. But no, the whole instrument or

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Speaker 4: singing never really dabbled in that.

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Speaker 2: There's always a surprise from you.

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Speaker 1: Well. Royal and Kevin talked about her first week in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: how she met Blake Shelton, She was around all these

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Speaker 1: major songwriters, didn't even realize what she was doing. It's

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Speaker 1: time and does she talk about because I know it's

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Speaker 1: a thing where people.

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Speaker 2: That aren't from here are from here at her.

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Speaker 4: Visa, Yeah, that was the most interesting thing to me

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Speaker 4: that I found out. She has to have an oh

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Speaker 4: one vacher I don't want to say too much here,

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Speaker 4: and she has to have somebody here basically sign her

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Speaker 4: a waiver, almost like she is actually performing here, she

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Speaker 4: is actually playing here. I had to do that to

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Speaker 4: make sure she stays.

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Speaker 1: Here for Nikita Nikita Carmen, because I brought her here

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Speaker 1: from Australia to play with our band.

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Speaker 2: Really, so the label did that. I did both.

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Speaker 1: We had to make sure that she had like a sponsor, or,

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, I had to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a it's like they're her keeper.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And she's like, I don't know if I'm saying forever,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy to me.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: She's performing at the pre showtailgate party for Lucomb's Stadium

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Speaker 1: tour in July, and she thinks that everybody who moves

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Speaker 1: to Nashville she'd have to play on Broadway for a year.

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Speaker 1: You guys will talk about that, all right. There we go,

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Speaker 1: unsigned and independent. Here he is kick off Kevin with

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Speaker 1: Royal Lynn.

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Speaker 4: I want to dive right into your music. Actually usually

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Speaker 4: I kind of start with the backstory, but this time

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Speaker 4: I want to dive in your music because that's what

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Speaker 4: drew me to you, and you're what you call punk tree.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: It is?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: This is what I think of. When I came across

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Speaker 4: your Instagram page and I heard some of your music.

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Speaker 4: I think of like a hearty that's Hardy's Got the

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Speaker 4: Crow album and half of the album that's The Crow

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Speaker 4: and the Mockingbird and that Crow. That hardcore, but it's

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Speaker 4: still country. Lyrics are twisted in there, yes, so it

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Speaker 4: doesn't sound something you would normally hear and be like, oh,

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Speaker 4: this is country music and it's got a twist to it.

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Speaker 4: So I'm gonna play a quick clip right here, six

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Speaker 4: feet deep, and we'll kind of get into it from there.

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Speaker 5: Guy, love it?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: What is punk? Try to you?

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Speaker 5: Oh, So I grew up in the middle of nowhere

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Speaker 5: on a farm, but my favorite I loved country, but

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Speaker 5: I was so drawn to punk artists, like I was

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Speaker 5: a huge fan of like Some forty one and Simple Plan.

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Speaker 5: My first concert was Some forty one and Simple Plan.

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Speaker 5: And I've always been so drawn to music like a

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Speaker 5: data remember, But I also grew up in the country lifestyle.

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Speaker 5: So I was like, what if we had like a

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Speaker 5: hybrid and we called it punk Tree and like we

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Speaker 5: have T shirt it's now in hats and like, I

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Speaker 5: just I love the branding of it. It's it's so

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Speaker 5: special to me. And we have been compared to Hearty Lately,

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Speaker 5: which is like such an such an honor. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 5: he's killing it. Yeah, and I loved I loved The

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Speaker 5: Mockingbird and the Crow. It's such a good album. But

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Speaker 5: the songwriting is there, and that's where the country genre

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Speaker 5: really shines through. Is like being able to write these

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Speaker 5: songs and they're written in such a country standpoint or

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Speaker 5: like the formation of a country song versus like a

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Speaker 5: rock song, which is you know, exciting. So doing the two,

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Speaker 5: I'm just like punctury is like it's a movement.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. So you're starting a new movement.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know. I like it.

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Speaker 3: Is it hard to combine the two?

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Speaker 4: I mean you've had years of work at it, I'm sure,

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Speaker 4: But is it hard to kind of find that good

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Speaker 5: Yes, So I've had to work with a bunch of

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Speaker 5: different track guys and writers even who understand the rock

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Speaker 5: So there are a lot of rights that I'm in

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Speaker 5: where people are like, you know, up a pop top liner,

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Speaker 5: which is super exciting to me because then we're getting

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Speaker 5: different melodies in our writing and the way that they

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Speaker 5: say things. So I find it super interesting. I love

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Speaker 5: the way that country music is going right now because

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Speaker 5: it's opened such a door for alternative artists. And that

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Speaker 5: being said, like Nickelback is a huge inspiration of mine

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Speaker 5: and I love them so much. And to be able

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Speaker 5: started working with track guys. So it's been a whole

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's unique, I'll say that, and it's great. It's

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Speaker 3: a good thing.

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Speaker 4: It's a really good thing because you can go out

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Speaker 4: there and you can hear it and you're like, wow,

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Speaker 4: I've never heard something like this, And do you get

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Speaker 4: that positive feedback from the fan base as a whole.

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Speaker 5: For sure. I always said that I would love to

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Speaker 5: have a concert where we have a mosh pit. That

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Speaker 5: would be incredible.

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Speaker 4: I think I've been involved in maybe one or two

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Speaker 4: I think I was like thirteen years old, and after

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Speaker 4: if I should do that again because it gets a

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Speaker 3: Pennywise, I want to say with.

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Speaker 5: The pack, Oh my goodness, that would be so cool.

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Speaker 3: So it was wild.

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Speaker 4: But you talked about your upbringing and your first concert

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Speaker 4: and the music that you listened to. Were any of

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Speaker 5: So no one in my family really did music per se.

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Speaker 5: My mom has had horses my entire life, so we

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Speaker 5: were always taught to ride, and my mom like I

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Speaker 5: so incredible to be raised on on like good country

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Speaker 5: the country lifestyle. It's just it's been such a huge

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Speaker 4: What about your parents Are they supportive of your chasing

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Speaker 5: They've always been supportive from the day that I dropped

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Speaker 4: Then you came from Ontario, yep, all the way. Now

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Speaker 4: where is it I'm trying to think of obviously Canada,

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Speaker 4: But how far of a drive or flight is that

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Speaker 5: So to Nashville. It's really funny because it's only eight

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Speaker 5: southern Ontario. Okay, And yeah, no one in my family

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Speaker 5: my parents were so so so supportive and drove me

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Speaker 4: Well look at you now from that, Now you're living

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Speaker 4: in Nashville, living the dream, right crazy? You said you

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Speaker 4: dropped out of college in Ontario.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So.

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Speaker 5: It went to UFO, Okay, And I went there for

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Speaker 5: musical theater and I hated it really, Oh my god,

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Speaker 5: I could not wait to like not be there anymore.

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Speaker 3: Why did you hate it so much? You think, I just.

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Speaker 5: Don't think that school was something that I wanted to do,

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Speaker 5: and I wasn't liking my program. And it's not because

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Speaker 5: it was like six months. Oh my, this was like

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Speaker 5: Oh it was bad, okay. But when I was like

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Speaker 5: to do the singing thing. And I didn't know that

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Speaker 5: you could be paid to write songs. I had no

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Speaker 5: idea my ten year old self writing these awful songs

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Speaker 5: about love that I didn't know about yet, and like

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Speaker 4: that band can really do about that, right, that's just

443
00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,919
Speaker 4: shure that the bar operates. And you said, I saw that.

444
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,400
Speaker 4: You said everybody should play on Broadway for at least

445
00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,359
Speaker 4: a year when they move out here.

446
00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,560
Speaker 3: Yep, why do you think that?

447
00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,560
Speaker 5: Because it teaches you. It teaches you how to play

448
00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,000
Speaker 5: to six people in a bar, teaches you how to

449
00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,040
Speaker 5: play to a packed bar, you how to deal with

450
00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,840
Speaker 5: drunk people, and like a lot of those, yes, there's

451
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:05,919
Speaker 5: a lot of those down there, but you know what,

452
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,080
Speaker 5: they all have great intention and I play during the day,

453
00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,440
Speaker 5: so I don't really get the nighttime crowd too much.

454
00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 5: But I think it's a great learning curve. You learn

455
00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,240
Speaker 5: the ins and outs of being in a band, how

456
00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,920
Speaker 5: to run things, what people are responding to, what they're

457
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,159
Speaker 5: not responding to. And usually after we get off stage,

458
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,280
Speaker 5: like everybody wants a picture, everybody wants something signed, Like

459
00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,199
Speaker 5: it's so I love it because they come in not

460
00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,400
Speaker 5: knowing who I am, and they leave a fan, which

461
00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,760
Speaker 5: is like the most important thing to me.

462
00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,199
Speaker 4: Are you by yourself when you've talked about all this

463
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,399
Speaker 4: in your past, your whole music career outside of your band, Like,

464
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,880
Speaker 4: do you do all your management, your bookings, your everything?

465
00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,720
Speaker 3: Yes, what's that been like for you?

466
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,840
Speaker 5: It has been a learning curve. I never knew how

467
00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,960
Speaker 5: to manage anyone, so managing myself, like you kind of

468
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,520
Speaker 5: have to figure out how to do things. Booking. We

469
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,720
Speaker 5: have a little bit of help here and there, and

470
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,280
Speaker 5: that has been helpful because I don't, you know, I

471
00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,199
Speaker 5: want to be able to be creative and practice the

472
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 5: songs and be with the band and like really hone

473
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,560
Speaker 5: in on being like an artist. And it's almost like

474
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 5: not having enough hands or not having enough hours in

475
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:09,400
Speaker 5: the day.

476
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,080
Speaker 4: I always say that there are not enough hours in

477
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 4: the day, and.

478
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,080
Speaker 5: I like to write for other artists here in town,

479
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,960
Speaker 5: so I have to make sure that my schedule can

480
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,119
Speaker 5: allow the rights for other people along with what we're doing.

481
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,959
Speaker 5: Then there's content creation, Then there's content editing, and I'm

482
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 5: I don't think a lot of people realize how long

483
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,880
Speaker 5: it takes to edit the videos that are up. And

484
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,120
Speaker 5: it has gotten easier. You find the little tips and tricks,

485
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 5: but yeah, the biggest thing has just been not having

486
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 5: enough time to do everything.

487
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,919
Speaker 4: Have you thought about hiring a team or whether it's

488
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 4: a manager or content team, anything like that before.

489
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has to be the right fit. I don't

490
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,719
Speaker 5: want a team just to have a team, and I

491
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 5: want my team to believe in me more than I do.

492
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,880
Speaker 5: And that is really that's you know, that's a.

493
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 3: Hard hard thing to find.

494
00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 5: It's a hard thing to find is someone who can

495
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 5: chare being you and be there and be preaching your name.

496
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 5: And I just don't want to settle yet. And I've

497
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 5: had a lot of great meetings, a lot of awesome people,

498
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 5: and we just haven't pulled the trigger on management.

499
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 4: What about any labels or anything you had people come

500
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,199
Speaker 4: up to you say hey, we're interested in you, or

501
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 4: meetings that you've had to turn down, or.

502
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 3: Actually and talks with in general.

503
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 5: So I like to go to every meeting because you

504
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 5: never know what you know what they're going to say.

505
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 5: And yeah, we've had some awesome meetings and there's been

506
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 5: a lot of people who love the Punk Tree thing,

507
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 5: and every show it kind of seems like we're having

508
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 5: more and more industry people come on out. And I

509
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 5: urged them to come to my live show because I

510
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 5: was like, we can talk about numbers all day long,

511
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,639
Speaker 5: but come come watch it and you know, maybe you

512
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 5: know it'll spark something. Yeah, but I wanted to make sure.

513
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 5: So I think it was a year ago. It was

514
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 5: right after kind of twenty twenty, so probably twenty twenty one.

515
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 5: I was like, we need to get the band together,

516
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 5: and we need to be able to get on the

517
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 5: road like that if we were called. So I got

518
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 5: the band together. I have guys who I would like

519
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 5: trust with my life on the road with me, and

520
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 5: I bought a van. That's a new thing, but I

521
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 5: bought a van, and I'm really really excited because we

522
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 5: just want to tour. We want to. I want to

523
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 5: play every small town all over America and just sing

524
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 5: some songs.

525
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 4: Do you have a spot in mind that you're like,

526
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 4: I want to go play, whether it's a big one

527
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,439
Speaker 4: like or like a red Rocks is a popular one, obviously, yes,

528
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 4: but you can't say red Rocks anything else a.

529
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 5: City, even just a city in general, a city in general.

530
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 5: I really want to do stadiums. I know that we're

531
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 5: far from stadiums, but I think I just want to

532
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 5: be able to look out over the crowd and just

533
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 5: see like a sea of people and be like this

534
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 5: is so cool.

535
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:40,959
Speaker 3: That would be awesome.

536
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 5: Like I feel like I would be back to that

537
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 5: fifteen year old me, like the mic shaking as I'm singing,

538
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 5: because I'd be like is this real? Like someone pinched me.

539
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 5: But every opening slot that we've had, every even shows

540
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 5: that I play with just me and my guitar, because

541
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 5: sometimes I'll go out and just do an acoustic run

542
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 5: and it's so just meeting the people has just been

543
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 5: such a special. They're like, your songs impact me, and

544
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, what a compliment, Like they have helped

545
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 5: you through something in your life, and that means a

546
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 5: lot to me because it's like I thought I was

547
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 5: writing these songs because I felt this way, but it's

548
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 5: like other people feel this way.

549
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 4: Is that a goal for you when you're writing a

550
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 4: song at all I can relate to people or is

551
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 4: it just something where it's like, this is how I'm

552
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 4: feeling and then getting that feedback is almost like a

553
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 4: reward you didn't even know what was coming.

554
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 5: For sure, It's definitely like that. I want to be

555
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 5: one hundred percent authentically me, and if people relate to that,

556
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 5: I love it. I'm super happy, like redneck rockstar. Like

557
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 5: people don't realize that I totally wrote that song. I

558
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 5: love Nickelback, And I was like, if I ever get

559
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 5: to be a rock star, I just don't feel like

560
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 5: money is going to be something that I'm going to

561
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 5: be like I need more money. I need this like

562
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 5: because to me, it's not about the money. It's about

563
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 5: meeting the fans and playing the songs and doing what

564
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 5: I'm supposed to do here on this earth in the

565
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 5: very little time that I have here.

566
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 3: What's your favorite Nickelback song?

567
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 5: Burn It to the ground. Oh my god, They're coming

568
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 5: to town to play and I am so excited.

569
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah with Briantley.

570
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be front row.

571
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 4: So what do you say when people are because it's

572
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 4: always that whole you know, people are like, oh, Nickelback

573
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 4: and they making fun of them, and I'm like, you

574
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: know what, I low key think everyone loves Nickelback. I

575
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 4: don't care what you say in public. It's almost like

576
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 4: a trolling thing now, which is fun to do. And

577
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 4: do you ever have somebody say that and you're like, whoa, well,

578
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 4: calm down.

579
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 5: If you don't like Nickelback, you're lying. That is what

580
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 5: I say all my shows. And we put so many

581
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 5: references in Redneck Rockstar to their rock Star song. And

582
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 5: if Chad called me right now and was like, hey,

583
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 5: like pack your suitcase, We're going out for like the

584
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 5: next sixty five days, I would be like, let's go

585
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 5: back in the van. Yeah, they show up on their

586
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 5: buses and I'd be in like the shammou van.

587
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: Where is this van going to the first stop? Do

588
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: you know yet?

589
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 5: We still have a few dates that we haven't so

590
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 5: we're going on the road with Luke Colmbs for the

591
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 5: Philly show on his stadium, the world tour.

592
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 4: Wait, let's talking to that. Guess I was going to

593
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 4: get into that. But let's do it now. Let's do

594
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 4: it now. No, You're fine, that's awesome. I've been waiting

595
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 4: for that. But I'm like, you know what, let's do

596
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: it now.

597
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 3: We're in it.

598
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 4: So Luke Combs, Yes, get more into that in Philly Stadium.

599
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: So you are doing the stadium.

600
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 5: I so Whiskey jam is putting on this tailgate with Luke,

601
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 5: and I was super excited because I'm independent, right, so

602
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 5: I don't have a booking agent. You know, We've met

603
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 5: with a lot of them since we actually got off

604
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 5: for this show. But I remember the day that I

605
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 5: got the call for the Philly show and Kappy, who

606
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 5: is Luke Combs's manager, calls me and goes, would you

607
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 5: like to come on the road with us this summer?

608
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 5: And I was like on the road with like Luke

609
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 5: And he was like, what do you do in July

610
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 5: twenty ninth And I said that's my birthday? Oh no way,

611
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 5: And I said where going? And he so he was

612
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 5: like call me. And I was actually on stage when

613
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 5: I got this call, which is so funny. What and

614
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 5: every year for the past like four years, I've spent

615
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 5: my birthday on a stage of some sort, and there's

616
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 5: just no place I'd rather be than performing songs and

617
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 5: singing and with my band. And I was like, we will,

618
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 5: I will go anywhere in the country you want to

619
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 5: bring us on the UK, we will go anywhere, like

620
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 5: anywhere you want to go. So he called me and

621
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 5: he's like, we're doing this tailgate thing. He goes, I

622
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 5: know you're independent, and I really wanted to make sure

623
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 5: that your name got thrown into the into the pile

624
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 5: of people who could do this. And he was like,

625
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 5: are you ready? And I was like, I am one

626
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: hundred and ten percent. The boys are ready. Don't even

627
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 5: need to call them. I know that they're good to go.

628
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 5: And yeah, so we'reheaded on the road, Luke, which is crazy,

629
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 5: Like it's crazy.

630
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Good for them.

631
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: Get a whiskey jam too. They did that here at

632
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 4: Nissan right, Yeah, the old tailgate thing.

633
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: I did see that. That's good on them, that's awesome.

634
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 5: It's incredible.

635
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: Are you going to be more shaky than than you

636
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 4: were the little girl doing hand in Montana?

637
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 5: I don't know, No, I don't know. I want to

638
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 5: say I of course I always get a little nervous

639
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 5: before a show because you know, I get so excited.

640
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 5: That's the thing. Is like I'm like shaking because I'm

641
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 5: ready to go, and the bands like obviously we do something.

642
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 5: It's like a heavy country concept. So like I don't

643
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 5: just stand there like I am. I turn into like

644
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 5: a different person, like an alter ego where I'm just

645
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 5: like I black out and I'm like what just happened

646
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 5: out there? And it's cool because we like, you know,

647
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 5: like the moshpit thing, like we want to make sure

648
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 5: that everyone in the audience is having a good time.

649
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 5: And if I got to go out there and just

650
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 5: like you know, preach, kick some teeth. Yeah, like headbag.

651
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: You know I do you have any pre show routine

652
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 4: like take a shot or do something with your band

653
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 4: or anything like that.

654
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 5: I cannot drink before a show, not at all. Yeah,

655
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 5: I go like tone deaf, I can't do it. Why

656
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 5: So that's good?

657
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: What do you think?

658
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 4: I don't know it could be that way and not

659
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: the other way. Yes, exactly, really one way it should

660
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 4: be not drinking.

661
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 5: But yes, I think I just get nervous that like

662
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 5: I will forget something or something will go over. I

663
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 5: just like I am like no drinks. I have green tea.

664
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 5: I do my vocal warm ups normally on a show day,

665
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 5: I try and stay like a you know, quiet. I

666
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 5: try not to like over use my voice because the

667
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 5: songs are high and being live like it's just such

668
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 5: a different game. And I would hate it if someone

669
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 5: bought a ticket to see my show and I had

670
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 5: gone out and drank the night before. Like I'm just like,

671
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 5: this is people's hard earned money, and I want to

672
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: make sure that they get the best show, so I

673
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 5: need to be one hundred percent myself.

674
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good on you. Have you ever had a

675
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 3: show where we had to cantle?

676
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 5: Not yet, No, we've had so I've played, you know,

677
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 5: down on Broadway. Used to play five days a week

678
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 5: when I first moved here, because all I can do

679
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 5: in this country is like sing and write, and it

680
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 5: has to be I'm on on OH one, so it

681
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 5: has to be kind of like music oriented to be

682
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 5: able to make money. So I couldn't do anything else.

683
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 5: So I was singing five days a week. It was

684
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 5: really hard on my voice, and a lot of people

685
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 5: have voice issues after they play that many shows. And

686
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 5: thankfully we have not had to do that. If I'm sick,

687
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 5: that's kind of a different story. But I really try

688
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 5: not to get mm.

689
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't we All the allergies out here will get

690
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: to Yeah, it's true.

691
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 3: What is an one?

692
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 5: So an O one is in the I feel so

693
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 5: weird saying this in the eyes of the US government.

694
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 5: I have extraordinary talent.

695
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 4: One is we got an extraordinary talent here on the

696
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: unsign you heard it first.

697
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'll never leave that one do.

698
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 4: I know you can't see if you're listenings, but she is.

699
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: She is very read. This is great.

700
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 5: It's just so funny. And not a lot of people

701
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 5: get in O one without being signed.

702
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

703
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 5: So and Cappy like, oh my god, I like wouldn't

704
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 5: even be here without him because he signed my visa

705
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 5: and he helped, you know, he sign a testimonial letter

706
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 5: because you kind of have to. You have to have

707
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 5: Show's book for the next three years. Like it's pretty serious. Wow,

708
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 5: And I'm pretty sure if you don't get it, like

709
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 5: you get deported or something. I don't know. So I

710
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 5: was like really nervous about it, and yeah, it worked out,

711
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 5: and I I like was over the moon the day

712
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 5: I got the call that my visa was approved and

713
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 5: I was good to go, and here we are.

714
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: How long was that process?

715
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 5: Took me about six, six or eight weeks to put

716
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 5: it all together. So it has to be like that.

717
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 5: You have the itinerary and then you have two testimonial letters,

718
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 5: and you have all of your show posters, anything you've

719
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 5: ever done, any accomplishments, things like that. And this was

720
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 5: over a year ago. So I think I'm going on

721
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 5: my second year right now, and we're good for three years. Okay,

722
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 5: So the visa was on before that was only a year.

723
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 5: So next year I wouldn't know if I would be

724
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 5: here anymore. But I never take no for an answer.

725
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: So in two years, you said you had two years

726
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: left or year.

727
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 5: Less, I should Yeah, you have a year plus.

728
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: Yeah plus okay, So after that then you have to

729
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: work on another one.

730
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be kind of the same process if we

731
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 5: have a publishing deal or a record deal or you know,

732
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 5: whatever happens in the next few years, Like that's kind

733
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 5: of how we're going to route it from there.

734
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: Interesting, So if you're listening to this, make sure she

735
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: sticks around for longer than a year and a half, Okay,

736
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 4: that's all I'm gonna say. You keep mentioning a capy here.

737
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: He talked about he's Luke's manager, but who else or

738
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: what is he to you?

739
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 5: He has just been a really good friend here in town.

740
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 5: And I remember reaching out to him a long time

741
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 5: ago and I was like, hey, I would love to

742
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 5: have you to a show. And he came to my

743
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 5: show like this was twenty twenty, and I was so

744
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 5: blown away by his kindness and his character and just

745
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 5: being able to chat and be like, hey, I have

746
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: nothing right now and I have nothing to offer except

747
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 5: for my songs and my voice, and like you know,

748
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: and he was just like, what what are your goals?

749
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 5: What do you want to be in five years, ten years?

750
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 5: And he really opened my eyes to be like, if

751
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 5: you want to write, you can still do that, and

752
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 5: you can do your artist stuff, and like he's got

753
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 5: many artists on his roster that are writers on top

754
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 5: of being artists as well, which I think is so exciting.

755
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 5: And he was just so accepting and he wanted to help,

756
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 5: and you know, just being able to bounce ideas off

757
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 5: of him and be like, hey, I have this coming

758
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 5: up or this coming up, and he's just been such

759
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: a champion and set up some things. And when he

760
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: called about the Luke stuff, I was like, oh my gosh,

761
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 5: like I'm so grateful, Like you don't have to do that,

762
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 5: but you did because you're kind and you're nice, and

763
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 5: you know, we're still independent. So he's just he's just

764
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 5: a great guy.

765
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: Just genuinely wants to help you.

766
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 5: Yes, that's great, genuinely wants to help.

767
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 4: We all need a copy in our life. Yeah, I've

768
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: got a few copies in my life that I'm very

769
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: grateful for as well.

770
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: He's so great.

771
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

772
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: And outside of music, you know, we're gonna wrap up

773
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 4: here pretty quickly. But outside of music, what else do

774
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: you like to do? We were talking about a little

775
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: bit before the recording. Golf is a big part of

776
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: your your life, you were saying, right, I love it.

777
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 5: I love it. It's like the one thing that has

778
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: nothing to do with music that I can just get

779
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 5: out on the course and just have a beer and unwind.

780
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 4: Is that your therapy, if you will, Yes.

781
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 5: On top of my actual therapy.

782
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: Yes, you got multiple therapies going on. Yes, we all

783
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: need multiple therapies. Don't worry, don't worry. What do you

784
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: go a lot, like once a week or once a month.

785
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 5: Once a week. If I can get out more than that,

786
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 5: I will. But weekends are better spent like outside and

787
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 5: in the outdoors, and when we're not on the road.

788
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 5: If we're on the road, that's different. Maybe one day

789
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 5: I'll be able to like bring my clubs with us

790
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 5: and play around before the show.

791
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I've asked here before on this podcast. How

792
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: do you know you're going to make it? And that's

793
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 4: when you know you made it if you can bring

794
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 4: your golf clubs on tour with you and go golfing

795
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 4: in the morning and play a show at a stadium

796
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 4: at night.

797
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: Right.

798
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: Yes.

799
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 5: I always used to say that I'll know that I've

800
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 5: made it when the Cores light truck shows up to

801
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 5: my house and drops off like a bunch of beer.

802
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: I love that, which is so funny. Can you give

803
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: me a call when that happens. I went to come

804
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: over and help you.

805
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: Perfect.

806
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 5: Oh, I love it.

807
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

808
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: Well, we'll wrap this up, like I said, Royle and

809
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: I asked this question, and as far as if somebody

810
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 4: listened to this and you know you need some motivation

811
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 4: or something, if you're on the fence about deciding what

812
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: you want to do with life, whether it's career or

813
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 4: anything like that, what do you say to somebody who

814
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: is afraid to take that leap?

815
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 5: Take the leap because you never know what's going to

816
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 5: happen until you spread your wings and you jump. And

817
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 5: sometimes and I still do this all the time, but

818
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 5: like sometimes it feels like you're still falling, but you will.

819
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 5: If you don't have a plan, b if you don't

820
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: have a backup thing. I always tell people, like, if

821
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: you have a backup plan, you know you can't have

822
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 5: one and do this. This has to be one hundred

823
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 5: and ten percent. And never take no for an answer.

824
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 5: There you go.

825
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: That's the theme of this one, right, Never.

826
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: Take no for an answer, Never take no for an answer.

827
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: I like it, Royal and we could follow you.

828
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: They can follow you on Instagram, Twitter, Royal in music correct, yes, okay,

829
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 4: Royal in music. Go stream her, follow on Pinterest even Pinterest, anything, TikTok,

830
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 4: whatever social media you're on, go follow her.

831
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming in.

832
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.

833
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: Of course,