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Speaker 1: And there he is.

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Speaker 2: Chandler Rome joining us here on Foul Territory, of course,

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Speaker 2: is the Astros beat writer does a tremendous job writing

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Speaker 2: for The Athletic. You can also see him on Crushed

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Speaker 2: Towards Territory right here on the Foul Territory network covering

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Speaker 2: the Astros. I tell you what, what a time to

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Speaker 2: be alive, Chandler Hi, I mean, every day it's like

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Speaker 2: they're in first place. They're not in first place. They're

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Speaker 2: the postseason. They're not going to make it. What's it

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Speaker 2: been like for you the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: It's been different because in this Golden era, everything's basically

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Speaker 3: been sewn up by now. This is usually the time

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Speaker 3: There they can line up their rotation how they want

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Speaker 3: and it's just not the case this year it's been.

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Speaker 3: It's been more difficult. They're learning how the other half live,

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Speaker 3: if you will, because you know, the thing I've said

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Speaker 3: this whole run that they've been on is they've kind

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Speaker 3: of just made it look easy. They've kind of just

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Speaker 3: they've rolled the balls out and have won ninety five

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Speaker 3: to one hundred games every year, and they've made it

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Speaker 3: they've made it look for the last eight years in Houston.

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Speaker 3: So they've battled a ton of injuries. They're battling even

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Speaker 3: The ability to overcome that, the ability to just kind

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Speaker 1: Should they have to have been absorbing all these should

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Speaker 1: they have brought Alex Weregman back, Because if you have,

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Speaker 1: not not saying that they wouldn't get injured. Gregman and

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Speaker 3: Parks, they got plenty of money. If Jim Crane would

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Speaker 3: allow me to see the books, I'd love to see him.

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Speaker 3: But in absence of seeing the books, I can't really

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Speaker 3: The one thing I will push back on a little bit,

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Speaker 3: misconstrued a little bit. The notion that the Astros don't

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Speaker 3: spend money is misguided. They're over the luxury tax this

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Speaker 3: they have run the two highest payrolls in franchise history,

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Speaker 3: You know, they still have Jose abray you on the

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Speaker 3: And the one thing that Jim Crane has been steadfasted

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Speaker 3: can't you can't look at it and say it hasn't worked.

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons they did it is because they

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Speaker 3: Alex Bregman was that guy last year, and they made

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they didn't need to trade Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 3: But when you look at their moves as a whole,

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Speaker 2: Jim Crane doesn't spend a ton of money in terms

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Speaker 3: Like, I think the word spoiled comes to mind a

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Speaker 3: I'm like, guys, like, there's many different ways to do this.

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Speaker 3: so long was like I just mentioned, win one hundred games,

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Speaker 3: Like that's not normal, and you've got to give yourself

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Speaker 3: it seems very very likely that they are after this

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Speaker 3: like it's inevitable. The Astros have for a while seem

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Speaker 3: you know, this is not the team that's gonna win

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Speaker 3: one hundred and five games. You know, basically going through

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Speaker 3: Nothing has come easy. For them this year. And it's

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Speaker 3: a real credit to the culture that they have built

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Speaker 3: And you know, now find themselves as of talking now,

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Speaker 1: All right, two part question, and you can't get mad

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Speaker 3: You know, I find it difficult to believe that Jordan

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Speaker 3: Spotta's direct quote. I will say this, the fact that

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Speaker 3: maybe that's just some gamesmanship. Maybe they just want to

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Speaker 3: Maybe they just want to keep them guessing that maybe

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Speaker 3: And Jordon has not been made available to talk to us,

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Speaker 3: We're going by kind of what we've seen, and to me,

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Speaker 3: Spotty yesterday said on yesterday on Wednesday said that they

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Speaker 2: Death Taxes and the Houston Astros. In the postseason conversation,

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Speaker 3: Have a good day, all right, Thanks guys, it is.

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Speaker 2: Signed now for the inside scoop. We are jam packed

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday to our friend and to our colleague with you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us on your birthday. Nobody works

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Speaker 2: harder in the game than Ken Rosenthal. Kenny, does Cleveland

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Speaker 4: Have experienced, and here they are.

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Speaker 1: At this time of year, we usually should be talking

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Speaker 5: I would say Eric that they're more qualified than the

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Speaker 5: Is much more embarrassing than the Guardians, who, for all

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Speaker 2: It, and without Shane Bieber who was traded obviously, ken

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Speaker 5: Tart to compare Alanta. Every season is so different, but

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Speaker 5: Spottis should be the front runner for all that the

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Speaker 5: You certainly can make a case for Steven Vote as well.

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Speaker 5: Use ladder without knowing for sure, I can't imagine he's

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Speaker 5: And I asked him if it was accurate that they

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Speaker 4: I was not even aware that he knew he had

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Speaker 5: a lot of us didn't know about, and a lot

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Speaker 5: of it was unfair, the playoff stuff. He was asked

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Speaker 5: to do too much, and the numbers reflect that, and

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Speaker 5: the performance reflects that. It's not excusing anything, and he

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Speaker 5: wouldn't excuse anything, but they asked too much of him,

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Speaker 5: often the short rest and all kinds of other things

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Speaker 5: as well.

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Speaker 1: I can this is your birthday, but you have to

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Speaker 1: give us a gift before we give you a gift. Okay,

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Speaker 1: can you put the Mount Chavez ravine of play of

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Speaker 1: Dodger players. I can't say Mount Rushmore because it's tired.

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Speaker 1: Mount Chavez Ravine of Dodgers players. And where on that

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Speaker 1: list is Clayton kershaw.

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Speaker 4: Well Jackie's on there? Of course?

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Speaker 5: I would say Roy Campanella is on there, Kershaw, I

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Speaker 5: would think, is on there?

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Speaker 4: I have to look at this. Eric. You put me

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Speaker 4: on the spot, which is fine.

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Speaker 5: I don't have a full picture in my head right

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Speaker 5: all time.

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Speaker 4: Todger, Greats, what's that?

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Speaker 2: Alana, Sandy Cofax?

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Speaker 4: Sandy?

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Speaker 5: Of course I was thinking Carl Iriskin too, but yeah, Sandy, Kershaw,

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Speaker 5: Jackie and Campanella. I'm sure I'm missing someone. You can

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Speaker 5: maybe say Steve Garvey, you can maybe say some others

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Speaker 5: as well, and Dodger fans can start screaming at me

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Speaker 5: right now, but that's when me that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: All right now, it is time for us to give

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Speaker 2: you a gift, Ken Rosenthal, somebody wanted to say happy

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Speaker 2: birthday to you. I mean, and really, I mean this

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Speaker 2: is special because growing up we have birthday party at McDonald's.

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Speaker 2: You would have grimace at your birthday party, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what you want. But in all seriousness, some

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Speaker 2: of our fans wanted to say stuff as well. At

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Speaker 2: referee five eighty three with the super chat. Ken is

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Speaker 2: the gold standard in baseball media, decades of class, credibility

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Speaker 2: and respect. Nothing but support here, Happy birthday at FT.

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Speaker 2: Let him know absolutely Ken, you are the gold standard

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Speaker 2: of this great game that we cover. We appreciate you

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Speaker 2: very much. Happy birthday, no other way. I'm sure than

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Speaker 2: you would like to spend it than working. It's what

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Speaker 2: you do best.

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Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't say that a lot, but it will

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Speaker 5: be a happy birthday.

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Speaker 4: Thanks a lot, and thanks to that person for saying that.

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Speaker 4: That was really nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was at referee five eighty three. All right, Ken,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for the insights. Scoop will see you soon.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys,