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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in Doug Gottlieb here. This is All Ball,

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Speaker 1: an absolutely outstanding podcast that you've come to know, love

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Speaker 1: and appreciate. My guest today is Mike o'donald. Now, Mike

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Speaker 1: was college basketball player. Now you see him um on

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Speaker 1: ESPN and CBS collin college basketball games. He's a Central

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Speaker 1: Florida lum. So what I thought we would do is

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Speaker 1: the Big twelve is gonna expand whether it's this coming year,

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Speaker 1: which appears to be with you know B y U

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Speaker 1: they're all gonna be in the league next year, maybe

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Speaker 1: the following year at the latest. But regardless, Big twelves

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Speaker 1: and interesting. You know, I think it's been the best

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Speaker 1: basketball league, a c C Big ten. In that conversation, obviously,

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Speaker 1: finally winning a national championship was huge, huge for the league,

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Speaker 1: but Kansas been dominant. Now you have Baylor, um, but

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Speaker 1: you lose Oklahoma and you lose Texas. What's it mean

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Speaker 1: for the league. So we're texting each other, but like,

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Speaker 1: let's let's just have a pod and talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll appreciate what talk some name, image and

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Speaker 1: likeness will talk to some SEC doesn't make Oklahoma or

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Speaker 1: Texas better jobs, worst jobs. Let's get after it. Here's

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Speaker 1: my pod with Mike O'Donnell, college basketball analyst and former

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Speaker 1: college basketball player. The Big Twelve of adding schools and

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Speaker 1: I think there's a legitimate question there. You have the

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Speaker 1: conference with defending national champion, you have a conference with

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Speaker 1: a blue blood program in it, and you have a

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Speaker 1: conference with several other outstanding basketball programs. I think everybody

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Speaker 1: cares about football, but we don't write for the sake

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Speaker 1: of this. We care about hoops. Um. Okay, first, you

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Speaker 1: give me your sense of forget the teams that they're adding,

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Speaker 1: the remaining Big Twelve teams, what does the conference look

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Speaker 1: like with just those eight? When you have Cantas and

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Speaker 1: Baylor is still really good? Uh? Still one of those

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Speaker 1: conferences that's gonna be able to you can make an argument.

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Speaker 1: I mean I really could any time throughout the course

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Speaker 1: those are you know, two top teams in the country.

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Speaker 1: Right So if you've got two of the top five

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Speaker 1: better conferences. Uh, losing Texas in Oklahoma. I get it. Historically,

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Speaker 1: you're just looking at wins and losses and then historical

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Speaker 1: value inside the n Civil Lake Tournament. For me, um,

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Speaker 1: the rocky road of Iowa State and Kansas State has

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Speaker 1: to be kind of figured out. Those two teams for me,

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Speaker 1: you that of each of those teams. But if there,

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Speaker 1: if the Big Twelve gets that third team right behind

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Speaker 1: Kansas and Baylor, uh, they I think anybody could make

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Speaker 1: an argument that the Big Twelve, as at the top level,

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Speaker 1: could be the best conference in college basketball. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let me let me give you my perspective on it.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you with with Kansas and Baylor. And

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Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong. Honestly, the a c C

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Speaker 1: The difference is that you know, you we knew the

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Speaker 1: Now one has made a change, Duke is going to

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Speaker 1: that that will be the end of Jim Beheid. There

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Speaker 1: when Louisville has already gone through a coaching change, right,

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Speaker 1: looks like without Roy Williams and Duke, no matter how

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Speaker 1: much we all love John Shire Like, that's a completely

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Speaker 1: different look. Whereas you know, I don't think I don't

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Speaker 1: rest of the league. Okay, but here's the reality to

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Speaker 1: Is it more or less appealing? I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: let's they get moved off to Big Off a Big Monday.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it changes as much. I still think

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Speaker 1: start with the additions. Okay. I would say the weakest

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Speaker 1: than any national analysts. No, Central Florida, this is to

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Speaker 1: it's just hard. It just sucks. The schools are so

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Speaker 1: that don't mean much. And now you're going to the

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Speaker 1: gonna have the pros of Texas and we both respect Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: And you're not recruiting against Tulane East Carolina I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's a totally different ball game. But

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Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. Now, you can make

426
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Speaker 1: a case from Bama's perspective that five out offense, but

427
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Speaker 1: it was also that offense is a lot of one

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00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: on one isolation make a play driving kick Mosers is

429
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: dictated upon exploiting the defense through a lot of movements

430
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Speaker 1: and reactions. Um even there's plenty of one on one opportunity.

431
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Speaker 1: So uh, it's tiered. For me. Moser's offense day one

432
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Speaker 1: is not gonna look the same at the end of

433
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Speaker 1: the season, and also his his team is going to

434
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Speaker 1: look drastically different in year two in terms of individual

435
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: talent and roster makeup. So so here's here's the question.

436
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Speaker 1: Because I've done the SATs and out a year, watch

437
00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: everybody play the worst thing? Yeah it is, but it

438
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: also you learn a lot. So I remember, I remember

439
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: when Kevin O'Neill was at Tennessee. So this is nine

440
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: and Lawrence Frank is his head assistant, and they sent you.

441
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: They just barrage you with Mayle Mayle, Mayle, Mayl Mayle

442
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: and callson whatever. Remember turning the TV and hey, we're

443
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: gonna play Kentucky to night and they were down. You know,

444
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: it's like the first year, second year. I think it

445
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: was the first year they were down at the half.

446
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: Now coaches can spin it and go like, hey man,

447
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: like we just don't have players. Once we get players,

448
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna play faster. Everybody says they're going to play fast.

449
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: My fear for porter is play slow or slower. How

450
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Speaker 1: that that affects you in the transfer market? It just does,

451
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, and no amount of sense that you're making

452
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: and basketball like you because you'll get hit with the

453
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Speaker 1: great you get open looks, you get to a game,

454
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Speaker 1: you play with us, we just we issue when you're open, bro,

455
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: we we get up and down. And I think that's

456
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Speaker 1: the part Texas basketball. I mean, I think it was

457
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: the mistake that Chaka is that Chaka he knew he

458
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: could get the five star centers. That's not what he

459
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: cut his teeth on. Like in Texas, you should be

460
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 1: able to have ten of the absolute best athletes can

461
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: just get after it and make it attract me. It's

462
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: not how Texas has recruited traditionally or recently, but it's

463
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: how you can win because that's how high school basketball

464
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: is played in most parts of the state of Texas.

465
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Speaker 1: Get up and down and get after um I mentioned.

466
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Speaker 1: I look, I'm just to not me telling you. I

467
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: don't think Porter Moser is an amazing coach, and I

468
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: like his staff as well. He's done a great job

469
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Speaker 1: with his staff. I think David Patrick will help him

470
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: get some Aussies, get some other players as well. Uh,

471
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: but you just you try and get that you know,

472
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: blood out of a rock. I am so disappointed in

473
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: that take, buddy, I'm so disappointed that take from you. Man.

474
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 1: You and this this is and I'm half kidding, half serious.

475
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: Then this is what I say from about Porter Moser

476
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Speaker 1: in the Big twelve in Oklahoma and taking Little Earl

477
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: Chicago's offense down into Oklahoma. Everybody's gonna talk about and

478
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: recruit against him. It's a slow offense, They're gonna say.

479
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: Assistant coaches in the Big Twelm gonna said the exact

480
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Speaker 1: same thing that you're saying. But if he I'm just

481
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: telling you when I when you watch Little Chicago play,

482
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: when you watch the way that he scouts and prepares

483
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Speaker 1: Number one, a few wins, it doesn't matter. It's not

484
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna matter in my opinion. But I think the focus

485
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: on playing slow versus the focus on playing effective is

486
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: the conversation is kind of where, yeah, but but you're

487
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Speaker 1: you're you're taking it to me and you. I'm not

488
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: talking about me and you. I agree with you, Okay,

489
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: I agree with you. So I'm talking about that. I'm

490
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Speaker 1: talking about the eight nineteen year old kid in the

491
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Speaker 1: South who's like, should I go to OH you? Or

492
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Speaker 1: should I go to Arkansas? Like, I mean, I get that,

493
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: I go to oh you? Or should I go to Alabama?

494
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Speaker 1: Should I go to l oh you or should I

495
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Speaker 1: go to l s U? Like that's who you're recruit

496
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Speaker 1: against now. And and if you're winning, if you're find

497
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Speaker 1: the players for your system and you're winning, it doesn't

498
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter the speed, if you're effectively agreed, agreed.

499
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Speaker 1: If if you are that it is a big you

500
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: gotta win and you kind of you're I agree. I

501
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: think the Transfermrket's going to be everything for him, I

502
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: think more so than Texas. I think the transfer market

503
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: is going to be his biggest key is finding that

504
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: that great shooter, that great playmaker, that crush should in

505
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Speaker 1: Uh let's just say I mean, let's just even say

506
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Speaker 1: like Conference USA. Um, that to me is where Porto

507
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: Moser actually succeeds at Oklahoma's interesting because obviously this last

508
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: year with Reeves had a very good transfer, but they haven't.

509
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Speaker 1: They're the school in the Big twelve that hasn't them

510
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Speaker 1: and Texas haven't really been transferred mac against. It's been

511
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Speaker 1: everybody everybody else than when I was at s U

512
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Speaker 1: up until now, you know, obviously you get Kaid. It's

513
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: been a mix. So I think that's I think the

514
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Speaker 1: o U thing is going to be fascinating because everybody

515
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Speaker 1: from curtesies a good coach. Now the other part is,

516
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Speaker 1: and this was told to me, I'll tell you it

517
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Speaker 1: is a I don't want to tell you pot. I

518
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: don't want to sell them out. A former SEC coach

519
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: is like, look, man, they like they like the Midwest. Okay,

520
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: you come in and you try and show these guys offense,

521
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: and they're gonna fight you on it. Again. This is

522
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: more the old SEC, not Oklahoma. But if you watch,

523
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot less even there's some really bright offensive

524
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: minds there, but they don't run that or innate stuff.

525
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: When they're in the SEC. It's a little simplified because

526
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Speaker 1: most of the programs those kids grow up in that's

527
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: how they play, not they're not system guys. So it'll

528
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: be interesting that even if he completely dismembered Brad Underwood

529
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: with his coaching, I mean, that's what he did. It

530
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: was amazing, and their defense is great and an offense

531
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: provides good shots, and he's teaching guys. The thing. Does

532
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: it resonate with the level of athletes, with the type

533
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: of athlete is going to take to compete in the SEC?

534
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: And I don't know the answers, I really don't. We'll,

535
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: we will approve, will be in a pudding, I think.

536
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: But I think, then are you Are you saying the

537
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: Big twelve is less talented in the SEC up and down?

538
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: And I think if you took the last three years,

539
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: I could make that case. But it is so different, right,

540
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: and I are so so uh, I get it. I

541
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: get it. But then if you're taking Alabama and say, hey,

542
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: that's just a different style of offer. Would you rather

543
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: play Alabama or Kansas? Would you rather prep for Alabama

544
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: or Kansas? I mean that's really that, That's really what

545
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to, from your saying, hey,

546
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: these these guys are difference. It's different in the SEC.

547
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, shoot, you gotta prep for Kansas and Baylor.

548
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: That's way different than Florida and Vanderbilt in Kentucky in

549
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: the last two or three years. And I can make

550
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: the argument that it's harder and more physical trying to

551
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: trying to prep and compete against Cancers and Baylor. Here's

552
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: a question for you, is the is the Kentucky thing over?

553
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: And I know he's signing a great class, but but

554
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: here's the here's the question. You know, all these kids out,

555
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: no one will support. Guy's name is like us, like Kentucky. Right,

556
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: they just I'll figure out a way that they'll be

557
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: doing pitches for everybody. But between overtime elite g League ignite.

558
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Speaker 1: And you know, look, if you take this is what

559
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: we saw last year of the top ten kids, you

560
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Speaker 1: take two of them and you put them in the

561
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: GILAK Right, So now it's gonna be two to five

562
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: a year at the top twenty kids are gonna be

563
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Speaker 1: g League ignited. Right now, you have fifteen left, Okay,

564
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: and last year was a year in which the three

565
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Speaker 1: best one you have one in SC you got one

566
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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, state. You know you got one of Gonzach

567
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Speaker 1: and Gonzaga did nothing to hurt themselves a few uture

568
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: for that type of one and done the sc in

569
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: Oaklahoma state. I think people will mirror that. Higher dads

570
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: and higher coaches hire a guy to get a guy.

571
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: But it's it's different when you're when you're Kentucky and

572
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: you're throwing out you know, four or five of the

573
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Speaker 1: top thirty, and now you're throwing out one or two

574
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Speaker 1: of the top thirty, and you know, you get past

575
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: top twenty, and those guys are very much hit or

576
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: miss for. They're going to be very good players, but

577
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna take a year or two to develop into

578
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: the level of recruit Like there's there's a reason guys

579
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Speaker 1: or top ten and one and does and there's a

580
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: reason that some guys are very good players, but they

581
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: take a while to develop. I guess my question you

582
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: is do you think the Kentucky dominance it was just

583
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: a one year blip or do you think they're never

584
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: going to be the same because of all the other factors.

585
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: I think California is going to adjust because that's what

586
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: he's done his entire career. And I'll tell you why

587
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: he's going to adjustice. He already did at this past season.

588
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: And you know we're talking about his great recruiting class,

589
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: and it is a great recruiting class. But getting a

590
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: guy like Kellen Grady to come into your program or

591
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: a guy who absolutely can give you twenty on every

592
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: night plane in in an offense that is surrounded by

593
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: incredible talents. The transfer from Davidson, I think he is

594
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: going to marry the one and Duns and the transfer

595
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: is harder than he ever has before. I think you'll

596
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: see Kentucky go as hard as one of Duns as

597
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: you will see the transfer market. That's number one. Number

598
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: two is uh, do you know the names of the

599
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: teams in the overtime Elite now? Well, I think very

600
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: few people do. And no, I I know, I know

601
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying, Like they were in Santa Cruz

602
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: last year and I'm and I had people like, wow,

603
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: would you ever do this? The reason why college basketball

604
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: will never go away, I think will always benefit layers

605
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: more than doing the overtime elite route is the instable

606
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: a tournament and is the TV markets right now? And

607
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: if you if you asked me, if I was a

608
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: kid who was in McDonald's All American, and I was

609
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: choosing between and I had, let's just say I had

610
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand followers on my social media platforms. I shoot, man,

611
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: I'd love to have five thousand followers. Um. And I

612
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: look at Kentucky, and I look at Kentucky's TV contract

613
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: and the fact that they're probably gonna be in the

614
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: Nsiblife Tournament every single year. And then I looked at

615
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: over Time e Elite, and I said, well, what is

616
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: their TV contract? Well, we're not sure. There might be

617
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: some streaming stuff. They've hired people to help them enhance

618
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: their brand. If I'm smart and if I have smart

619
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: people around me, and I know I'm only going to

620
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: be in college for one year, I am one going

621
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: to where more eyeballs are because that increases my brand.

622
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: But there's no there's there's it's not even there's not

623
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Speaker 1: even a comparison. People think that this is going to

624
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: run it in but I understand. But you have people

625
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: that continue to go up. I gotta learned to play

626
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: NBA basketball, playing for an NBA coach and playing against men.

627
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: They're doing all these things which have and they're taking

628
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: their taking the quick check instead of the bigger check,

629
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: which is further down the road. Again, this is a

630
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: lot like the O you thing. Please don't think that

631
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: I would love to go play for Porter emotion. Please

632
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: don't think that I I don't. I don't want I

633
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: don't want to. All those big toeve coaches like, I

634
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: don't want to coach against him Buck that good, you

635
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: know my league? Right, I'm telling you, like, the problem

636
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: is not even the kids, some people that are around

637
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Speaker 1: these kids, all right, I mean, well it's a little bit,

638
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: a little bit trickle down economics. What's the kid? Yeah,

639
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, but what's the kid? Why am I blanket

640
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Speaker 1: his name? That was supposed to go to use c

641
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Speaker 1: l A. He was from Vegas. He ends up going

642
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: up over time league. Yeah, well that's the problem. I

643
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: forgot his name too. Yeah, he was like a second

644
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: bit barely taking in the second round. And you're like

645
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: that you could have been a U c l A

646
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: in Westwood. Yeah, forget about if they would have played

647
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: in the final four. Not playing the final four like

648
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: that doesn't But I don't thinkin is. Yeah, I but

649
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: I think it does. But I think but look at

650
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: the ens of like teramin numbers this past year, even

651
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: during COVID DOUG they were monster numbers. I guess, but

652
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: I think you don't even have to make You don't

653
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: even have to make. If they didn't make the final four,

654
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter. Part of you're part of the U

655
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: S it like people are saying part of the city

656
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: basketball pay like you're good. You're good, no question question. Yeah,

657
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: And I guess what if you playing pretty U c

658
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: l A. You're practicing and playing for him, just the

659
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: same exact scouts they just got. They go to games

660
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: right and and and there's going to be there's gonna

661
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: be some guys that have come out of overtime and

662
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: late and do really well and get draft really high.

663
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: And I wish him nothing but the best. And I

664
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: hope they make a ton of money. If you're asking

665
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: me if at the end of the day, with Zion

666
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: Williamson benefit more from playing at duke or playing it

667
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: overtime elite, it's not even a question. You're playing a duke,

668
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: you're playing in Kentucky, you're playing in Kansas. You want

669
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: eyeballs on those games. It enhances your brand and the

670
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: secret thing that nobody in the mainstream media likes to

671
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: talk about because it goes against all other you know,

672
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: ideas and ideals and rhetoric and a lot of stuff.

673
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: The NBA loves college basketball. They love it for the

674
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: individual brand of the player, because if it's Zion Williamson

675
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: is great in the regular season, is brand explode and

676
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we've got an image and likeness

677
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: and Duke goes to sweet sixted in the lead eight

678
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: and his brand increases and overtime elite streaming on Twitter?

679
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: What what do we what are we really doing here?

680
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: What are we really talking about? You're you're kidding yourself.

681
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 1: You don't think the NBA actually secretly loves the fact

682
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: when players blow up in college because it's more eyeballs

683
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: on the player. I think this is I'm not yelling

684
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: at you, Doug. I'm yelling at and and here's what

685
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: I agree with. And here's the point that you know,

686
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: you have people that want to talk about the NBA's

687
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: ratings being down, and some of it is just just

688
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: too many games on Right when we were kids, who

689
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: was really hard to watch the NBA game even before

690
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: this TV contract. Now there's a national game on ESPN,

691
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: or t NT seemingly every day of the week and

692
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 1: then twice on Sunday. But I also think that there's

693
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: something too, Like when Patrick Ewing came out of Georgetown,

694
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: every single solitary soul knew who Patrick Ewing was, right,

695
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: so there was a build up in an excitement of it.

696
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: And granted there was a build up when Kevin Durant

697
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: came up. But imagine if k D had stayed for

698
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: two years. Just imagine vxiety we had stayed for two years,

699
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: how big it would be. You'd have two years what

700
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: That's why the football tract is so big. That's why

701
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: people watch the preseason games because you're like, I just

702
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: saw this kid play in college. I know he can play.

703
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure they underdraft him and you watch him. We

704
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: don't build brands. We guys flip schools and a heartbeat.

705
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: Guys are in and out as soon as they can.

706
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: And I'm with you on on colleges doing more to

707
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: build your brand than anything you can do financially in

708
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: the G League. The problem is who's ever making the

709
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: decisions for a good portion of these kids are telling

710
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: them the opposite. Take the quick payday to professional basketball.

711
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: You're good enough, you'll figure it out, and I'm we

712
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: are and we are lost step in agreement. It's actually

713
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: the wrong long term play this year. That is this

714
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: the twenty year career, not a two year crerent. When

715
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Speaker 1: the n i L was announced, literally the first thing

716
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Speaker 1: I thought of, and I don't want you to take

717
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm putting aside where I'm excited for

718
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: guys to make money, girls to make I'm excited for

719
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: athletes to make money, um the right way. The first

720
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: thing I thought of was over time Elite was all

721
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: the other organizations that have tried to compete with college basketball,

722
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: because I just don't know how you compete with that.

723
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how going to overtime Elite. And I'm

724
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: not saying the basketball portion of it isn't going to

725
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: be great. I mean, you've got Kevin Olie overseeing it.

726
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: He's an incredible basketball and not mine awesome coach. I

727
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: believe you would be a great basketball bear. But if

728
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: you're asking me to pick between Kentucky basketball, you know,

729
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: at prime time sec Sweet sixteen of the tournament in

730
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: overtime Elite, I'm making the business decision and I'm going

731
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: to Kentucky and it wouldn't even be hesitation for me. Well,

732
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: the interesting part is, you know, Overtime Elite's basically like

733
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: a paid prep school, right, which is like the whole

734
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: prev school thing is weird. What happens those guys when

735
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: they're done? What happens to those guys they leave? I

736
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: don't know. It's an entire long form podcast to talk

737
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: about prep school basketball. Okay, so let's sum it up

738
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: with this the Big Twelve. Let's say it's next year.

739
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: Let's say it's next year and not this coming season.

740
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: And next season, Um, did the Big Twelve get better

741
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: or get worse? Having those quarter schools better better? And

742
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: I think a lot is gonna have to do with

743
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: what you talked about with Cincinnati is and no disrespect

744
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: to B y U or UCF, my alma alma mater.

745
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: When you bring in Houston, who's gonna try to go

746
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: to the sweet sixteen the lead at every single season

747
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: because that's why they're wired Cincinnati basketball. I think it'll

748
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: enhance the recruiting throughout the throughout the Big Twelve. And

749
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: then B y U to me, I know, Doug, I

750
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: understand I haven't won the WCC but I'm telling you, man,

751
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: you give that school even more money and the ability

752
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: to recruit in the Big Twelve. That is the team

753
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: that really takes um it takes to another level. Texan

754
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: Oklahoma leaving massive, I could, I get it. I can

755
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: make that argument. You know, what are you doing, Mike?

756
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: You're crazy if you're talking about the growth in future

757
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. If you're losing to big brands like

758
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: Texan Oklahoma and you bring into right now big time

759
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: basketball brands in Houston and since to either get better

760
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: you had in b y U with the consistency of

761
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: winning and u c F, which is it's the largest

762
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: school in the country. I can, I can, I can

763
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: get behind this the largest account in the online excuse me,

764
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: it's the second largest university in the country. Yeah, to

765
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: heirs On State, is that the biggest? Yeah, yeah, it's

766
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: it's always like a hundred thousand or something. Crazy. Yeah,

767
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: UCF is I think it was. They have about twenty

768
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: five five to fifty thousand less students that Arizona State does.

769
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: There there's UCF is enormous. That's amazing. When I played,

770
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: there's players down in Florida too, Like that's the other

771
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: part of there's players in Florida. There's lots of Hooper's.

772
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: It's it's a huge growing market for from But I'll

773
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: tell you right now though, and this is a basketball podcast,

774
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: but this wouldn't have happened. U c F would not

775
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: be in the Big twelves and I'll be playing well no,

776
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: not not not that specifically, Doug, but not just football.

777
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: If they wouldn't have made a commitment to build an

778
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: on campus football stadium, they wouldn't be in the Big twelve.

779
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: Right now. That was an absolute game changing moment for

780
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: me as a student rolling out of the dorm, brand

781
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: new dorm. It's essentially like in a high high end

782
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: apartment on campus. There shoot these four huge dorms in

783
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: the athletic facility area, and you roll out of campus

784
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: and you've got on campus tailgating. That's when the trajectory

785
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: changed for u c IF. It's one of the reasons

786
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: why South Florida didn't get the call for the Big

787
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 1: twelve because they play they don't have an on campus

788
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: football stadium. Since that, he's moved since days at Nipper,

789
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: which is right right there in the middle of campus.

790
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: Right since then, since he's done a really good job

791
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: of what used to be at more of a commuter school,

792
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: making it a lot like Central Florida, no question, making

793
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 1: it a bunch of on campus and Houston the same.

794
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: You know, Houston, Houston. It's it's really interesting where are

795
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: you invest in, how you invest in? You know, I'm

796
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: sure there have been people for years in Houston like, hey,

797
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: we got Reliance Stadium's play an NFL staate like now

798
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: bro right it on campus to get out the students

799
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: right there. That's that's why, like Chip Kelly, what he's

800
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: doing in U c. L A. Is amazing that it

801
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: takes an hour to get to past from Westwood. The

802
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: girls no direct route because you can't get your students there. Well,

803
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: you're kidding yourself too if you don't think the lums

804
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: want to go back to campus the tailgate as to

805
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: oppose of and at some off campus you know, pro stateum.

806
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: It makes all the difference in the world from a

807
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: donation standpoint. And then you look and you see f

808
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: basketball is on campus. Memphis plays an NBA area but

809
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: not on campus as well. No matter how, no matter

810
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: how nice it is, you've got to have you gotta

811
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: have four or five thousand students in there on a

812
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: on a given night that you CEF is going to

813
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: be the most interesting because they will be. They will

814
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: have the lowest expectations, but potentially a super high ceiling

815
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: because you know, they what they offer is different from

816
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: the rest of the league. No question. They offered Florida,

817
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: they offer Orlando. There's really no Cincinnati's did the second

818
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: biggest city and its Houston's the biggest city in the lake. Right,

819
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: So they're the basketball facilities, They're basketball facilities are not

820
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: on par with the Big twelve yet they're not um

821
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: there There arena is it's a ten thousand seat arena.

822
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: That's uh that start in two thousand and seven. It's gorgeous,

823
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: it's awesome, practic facility, locker room not there yet on

824
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: par with Big twelve. That's they really have to fix that. Okay,

825
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: So then what happens in America? If you're arrest goo,

826
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: do you reach out to comfort ust? Do you stand

827
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: pat like? What do you do? Do you want me

828
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: to put my administrative head on? You want me to

829
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: put my basketball hat on? Because that's I mean, whatever

830
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: you feel like is the actual reality. Memphis has an

831
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: opportunity to be to become like the Gonzaga of of

832
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: the East Coast. I really believe that and I would

833
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: do I would do everything I possibly could to surround

834
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: Memphis with great basketball city towns and cultures. And actually

835
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: the first school that comes to mind in that area,

836
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: I would take a really hard look at Dayton. I

837
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: think from a basketball like city, you know, it's it's

838
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: similar to like a Wichita State type deal. And if

839
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: you gave Dayton the opportunity to play in the American

840
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: against Wichita State in Memphis, I think they're recruiting would

841
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: be incredible. What what would would drastically improve? UM? And

842
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: I think you need to take a really hard look

843
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: at Dayton. I would love that move and I think

844
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: would be awesome. UM and could you get could you

845
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: get Crayton? Or is that ship sail? They want to

846
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: be in the East now you're they're not. They're not

847
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: leaving the Big East. I would always always look out

848
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: West if I could. It doesn't make sense geographically, but

849
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: I think if I if you look at San Diego

850
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: State in Colorado State, those are two really good basketball

851
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: programs that I would even think twice about seeing if

852
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: they'd want to join. And the other, you know, the

853
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: other really interesting one that actually fits geographically and it

854
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: kind of fits from a university standpoint, is if you

855
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: gave Western Kentucky that type of gravitas in the American Conference,

856
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: that would be a really interesting get. If you're gonna

857
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: raid Conference USA. I don't like anything that's going on

858
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: across the board. I wish we didn't have all these

859
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: raiding conferences. But if you're gonna raid Conference USA, that

860
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: would be a school I would take a significant look at,

861
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: and it would be it would be West Kentucky and

862
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: the other team for me, if we're looking at city,

863
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: if we're looking at potential, would be Charlotte. I would

864
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: take a really hard look at Charlotte and Conference USA

865
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: as well. Obviously have that football. Now it's a major city. UM.

866
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: Now on the North Texas, HI know you're you're good. No,

867
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: I like and trust the UH for me North Texas.

868
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: What I love about North Texas is their coach and

869
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: their athletic director. Their athletic director almost got the UCF

870
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: job that he would He's he's going to be up

871
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: for a lot of big time jobs. He has one

872
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: of the best reputations in the market right now in

873
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: terms for up and coming a d s. If you, um,

874
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: if you remove that athletic director from North Texas, no

875
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: disrespect to North Texas, but but he has the last

876
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: five years in North Texas athletics has been awesome, really

877
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: really really good, and he built that up. So you've

878
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: got to look at That's why, like I gravitate towards

879
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: teams like initially Dayton in West Kentucky because you've got

880
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: historical relevance and you've got cities that love hoops. I

881
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: mean love hoops. I love calling games in West Kentucky.

882
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: It's one of my tell me on Bowling Green. You

883
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: don't have to tell me him, but I spent two

884
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: summers in Bowling Green. You're nuts. You're not selling them

885
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: on Bowling Green though. You're selling them on Nashville though

886
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: that's what you're doing, you really, but you're selling Nashville.

887
00:47:54,600 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: You're not selling Bowling Green because you find the Nashville. Yeah,

888
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: you're still flying involving. Yeah, I don't understand that. I understand. Um,

889
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: do you think Wichita States? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I

890
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: think so. Unless you unless you think like someone like

891
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: the Big East is going to be coming. Why would

892
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: the Big East go? Get them? Keep creating a travel partner.

893
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if they need them, but get creating

894
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: a travel partner. And like the Big East is so

895
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: good from top to bottom right now? And then I know,

896
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: I know Xavier is gonna be a blocker, but they

897
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: should be in the Big East. Yeah, but you know

898
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: everything comes down to money. Does adding Wichita State benefit

899
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: them from a basketball standpoint? Yes? What State is a

900
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: great basketball program. It would only enhance the level of competition.

901
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: Does putting Wichita State into the Big East increase the

902
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: TV revenue? Increase their TV deal? I don't think I'll

903
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell you how again I was. I

904
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: was proven wrong with the back twelve. But the the

905
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: issue that the Pack of twelve runs into is time zones, right,

906
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: because they didn't they have everybody. They had a Mountain

907
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: time zone and specific time zone. So if you start

908
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: a game at seven a night, that's a ten at

909
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: night on the East and you can't do siffic starts

910
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: in basketball, nobody's there. Well, for the Big East, if

911
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: you can get a second central time zone uh home team,

912
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: that's great for them. Then you can have the Fox

913
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: to do whatever they ever they say. Right, then you

914
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: can have you can you can have back to back

915
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: nights up two Big East games back to back. Right,

916
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: you get Novo one night against Craydon and the next

917
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: night you get George Town against against Wichita or whatever.

918
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: Um Like, I do think it brings value and I

919
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: think like again, I'm I don't like the expanding of conferences.

920
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't. But they got Yukon Kon fell in their lap.

921
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: That's amazing, right right, So all right, let's go on,

922
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: let's go and cherry pick all the other ones we want,

923
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: right Like, I mean, look me, Rhode Island, so I have,

924
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: I got the rivalry Rhode Island. Problem, I going to

925
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: get Dayton. So I got the rivalry of Dayton and

926
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: I get him in the same get which not? Now

927
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: I got that rival Now I got Now I got

928
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: a ridiculously it may be too much and may not

929
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: like to be the East, but why not it makes

930
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: me getting from a basketball standpoint, I get it. But

931
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if it makes sense if you put

932
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: one if you're going to expand, if the Big East

933
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: is going to expand, and you're just talking about well

934
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 1: shouldn't get Wichita State or not. That's the wrong question

935
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: to be asking you if you're going to expand who

936
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: are the two or three teams that we know we

937
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: can get. They're going to increase our TV revenue because

938
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: if you just bring in one team right now, each

939
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: each team will actually the way that that that TV

940
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: contract is set. Yeah, yeah, each team is gonna get

941
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: a little bit less. So it doesn't make any sense.

942
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: The one team that I would tell you that the

943
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: one university that I think is right for explosion because

944
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: everything is moving there right Pro Football, you know, NBA

945
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: Summer League is there. I it's interesting to me to

946
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: why you went o the can't get it going because

947
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: if we're looking at sports, betting and gambling and everything

948
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: is moving to Vegas, that to me is the most

949
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: interesting team. And if you want to be becomes in

950
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: the next two or three years, because we all have

951
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: recency bias now for the next two or three years, um,

952
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: if they start winning more, I wouldn't be surprised if

953
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: you didn't see you one of the maybe even from

954
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: a basketball specific standpoint, a team like the American actually

955
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: go after because I would want to have a footput

956
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: I want to have a footprint in Vegas. I listen,

957
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: I thought the Big twelve should have at least kicked

958
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: the tires in the idea of Vegas and and Sego

959
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: State getting those markets. I think the issue is basketball.

960
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: Line issue is the issue is football, and there there's

961
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: now So here's the thing. I don't They're gonna get

962
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: an NBA team. It's gonna happen. Um the hockey. You're

963
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: not really competing with hockey, you know a little bit.

964
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: But there's there's still plenty of fans. They got to

965
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: I've been saying wild they got they better. Kevin better

966
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: get this thing right, because like, look, the football thing

967
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: is going to take over the city until January one,

968
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: two Raiders town. That's everything. So remember in November you

969
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: used to have the benefit of nothing else going on

970
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: in Vegas. You have a tournament bringing a big opponent.

971
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: If you and l is good and they beat him,

972
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: now you get you know, you get it going. I

973
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: just I fear that it becomes almost irrelevant because if

974
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: you go back ten years ago, fifteen years ago, that

975
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: Vegas was a UNLB town. That's our team, that's our

976
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: school and U and LB basketball is what we're proud

977
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: of they won three n c A tournament games, since

978
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: they won the national champions since they lost in the

979
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: Semist three, and and they just the arena needs to

980
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: be refreshed. They got some financial your problems. They just

981
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: thought there a d um look at you with all

982
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: the recency. Biased You've got so much recency. No, I

983
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: mean nobody, nobody knows like outside. I mean, un LB

984
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: is a program I really know and like and have

985
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: very close ties to. And I said this before they

986
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: hired my ra MENSI like, bro, they gotta get it

987
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: right because eventually you get an NBA team in that city,

988
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna give a ship about UNLB basketball, no

989
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: matter how good they are. That's just the reality. Uh

990
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: you get you only have so much bandwidth, and so

991
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: because they because they're not good, and the NFL's in

992
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: all right, So now it's Raiders, Raiders, Raiders, Raiders, Raiders

993
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 1: until the Raiders are done, which is first week of January,

994
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: and then there's still a Raider to town. But you

995
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: you lost that November and December, you can still have

996
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: a couple of games here there. They can contract those atentions.

997
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: Can you get can you get them back in Thomas

998
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: and Matt. You gotta do it in a hurry. And

999
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: the league is not great anymore, you know, it's just

1000
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: notic is not good. It's not the same thing. So

1001
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: I think the Mountain West is gonna be really really

1002
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: good this season. And uh yeah, well we'll see. All

1003
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: I'll say is you and l V has a top

1004
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: fifty player in the country and Bryce Samuel too do.

1005
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: I think it's super legit and fun to watch, so

1006
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: we'll uh, I just it'll be I like, I like,

1007
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: I like Bryce. Okay, God, but he's really good. But

1008
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: he's he's a mid range shooter that has to learn

1009
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: how to really play defense and play without the basketball show.

1010
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: It's a big challenge. He needs big effect winning more

1011
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: than he has been. It's a huge thing for him.

1012
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Huge agree. Agree Alright, brother, listen, this is good stuff.

1013
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: Let's let's talk and disagree sometimes. Let's we'll pick another

1014
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: conference and we'll do it again the very in your future.

1015
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: You're good at what you do, You're prepared to what

1016
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: you do, and I love having you on the pot. Thanks, brother,

1017
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: appreciate you having there, all right, Mike, Thanks Bud. Yeah,

1018
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,800
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