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Speaker 1: the psychology. Do your do your patients think this is

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Speaker 1: strange or weird that you use tarot cards in in psychology?

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Speaker 1: You would think so, you would think, so, Um, and

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Speaker 1: how do you want to go? Not once, because once

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Speaker 1: you know they you know, I wouldn't introduce it until

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Speaker 1: we're already developed a relationship. Okay, So it's not like

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Speaker 1: they come in, said, you sit them down and you

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Speaker 1: pull out your decatur of course not. But um, you

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Speaker 1: know I at a certain time, and I know how

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Speaker 1: to recognize when introducing a technique might be beneficial. I say,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we we went we might take a

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Speaker 1: look at the taro right now, and this will help

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Speaker 1: us maybe pinpoint some of the issues and look at

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture with them. Would you be interested in

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Speaker 1: trying that? And uh, generally they say, you know, that

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Speaker 1: sounds interesting. And but I can tell you that I've

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Speaker 1: never I've never had the experience where someone came away

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Speaker 1: saying that it wasn't extremely useful and beneficial and relevant

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Speaker 1: because tarot is kind of magical in that way. It

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Speaker 1: always is accurate, but accurate, I don't really accurate is

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Speaker 1: not accurate. What it really is is it's always relevant

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Speaker 1: because it's how it works. It pulls out what is

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Speaker 1: true inside of you. And this is how the process

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Speaker 1: of divination actually works. It's it's quite amazing. And it

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Speaker 1: will either confirm what you kind of already suspect and

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Speaker 1: give you like a you know, a definite clarity about

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Speaker 1: what you already know, or it will present a new

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Speaker 1: possibility that's outside like outside of your ego sphere that

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Speaker 1: you have not even considered. And um, so it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's always really amazing to tell you the truth when

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Speaker 1: I when I do it in psychotherapy art, how does

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Speaker 1: it work? I mean their cards you pick them generally.

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Speaker 1: If I recall and I have I have the client

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Speaker 1: picked them, but it wouldn't matter. I could pick them

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Speaker 1: just as easily. But there's been ubership when they get

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Speaker 1: to select it. You basically you create a completely natural

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Speaker 1: or quote random deck by shuffling exhaustively, and you guide

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Speaker 1: them in the selection of a small set of cards

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Speaker 1: that fall into preset spread positions like your present situation,

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Speaker 1: your obstacles like that, your past patterns, and um. The

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Speaker 1: reason why it works, quite simply is it's an oracle,

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Speaker 1: and this is what oracles do. UM. They it's it's

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Speaker 1: a kind of alien intelligence that's not coming from outer space, George,

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Speaker 1: it's coming from inner space. And it's a way of

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Speaker 1: UM pulling that out and listening to what UM kind

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Speaker 1: of appears that really and allowing your mind to kind

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Speaker 1: of shift into what that card is saying. And it's

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Speaker 1: always relevant. It's it's just how what oracles don Can

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Speaker 1: you look at tarot cards and analyze world events? Absolutely? Absolutely, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's very interesting. You know, I was thinking if there

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Speaker 1: was one card that I would I would choose to

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Speaker 1: describe where we're at now, say in this country in particular,

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Speaker 1: with all the all the craziness and maybe the whole world,

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Speaker 1: I would um, I think what I would pick is

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Speaker 1: the tower reversed. Explain, Okay, So the tower card is

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Speaker 1: a picture of a of a old of a tower

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Speaker 1: that's being attacked from the outside. It's like in a

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Speaker 1: war zone, and it's being attacked from the outside, and

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Speaker 1: there's bombs flying and bullets flying, and it's also crumbling

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Speaker 1: from the inside. It's um and so it's a symbol

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Speaker 1: of our ivory tower or our ego structure that is

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Speaker 1: at this point, it's in terrible shape and it's falling apart,

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Speaker 1: both internally and externally. You know, I think that is

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Speaker 1: kind of where we're at with the whole political thing

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Speaker 1: that's crazies is that thing? Now? They when the card

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Speaker 1: is reversed, that means it comes in upside down. It

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Speaker 1: points typically to the shadow side or the negative condition

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Speaker 1: of that particular symbol. Now we're already dealing with one

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Speaker 1: of the most difficult cards in the deck. It signifies

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Speaker 1: radical change. But when it's reversed, it said that we

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Speaker 1: are stuck in the dungeon of the tower, and we

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Speaker 1: can't get out. You know, the message of the tower

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Speaker 1: when it's right side up is get the heck out

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Speaker 1: of there, evacuate now, media change. But when when it's reversed,

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Speaker 1: we're like stuck in the dungeon and we can't get out. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's one internal symbol within that card that is the

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Speaker 1: most positive piece of that of the tower card, and

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Speaker 1: that is the lightning bolts, the lightning bolts. The tower

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Speaker 1: is also being struck by lightning, called the lightning struck tower.

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Speaker 1: The lightning is as a symbol we could say for

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Speaker 1: um laser light intentional mind, highly focused, intentional mind that

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Speaker 1: when it's right side up, we need to project our

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Speaker 1: intention to safe ground immediately. We need to get out now,

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Speaker 1: um now when it's reverse and I think we're in

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Speaker 1: such a polarized, in such a stuck destructive place right

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Speaker 1: now quite up, frankly, that we're stuck in the dungeon.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is just collapsing and being attacked and

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Speaker 1: we can't get out. There's only one way to get

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Speaker 1: out of that dungeon, so that we can use the

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Speaker 1: lightning bolt to get out of the tower. Entirely, and

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Speaker 1: that is we need the key. We need the key

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Speaker 1: to open up the steel bars to get out of

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Speaker 1: that dungeon so we can get up and utilize that

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Speaker 1: laser light intention of the lightning, the primal energy, the

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Speaker 1: primal consciousness of lightning, and make radical change. So finding

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Speaker 1: the key, metaphorically speaking, is really is really what I

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Speaker 1: think we need to do. Now. Most people think of

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Speaker 1: tarot as a tool for fortune tellers. You don't believe that,

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Speaker 1: well I do, and I don't. People don't understand what

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Speaker 1: fortune really means. It's not predicting the future. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: don't really predict the future unless the cards just come

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Speaker 1: out and want to bite me if I don't make

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Speaker 1: a statement about what I'm seeing. But fortune really is

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Speaker 1: about the bumps in the road. That's what fortune is.

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Speaker 1: Um and um. So when you say um fortune telling,

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Speaker 1: yes it um, it does show um the kind of

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Speaker 1: real life kind of bumps or kind of uh points

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Speaker 1: of resistance difficulty that are going on in the present. Um.

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Speaker 1: The future is just an idea, and I think we

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Speaker 1: get very lost when we think about what you know, well,

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Speaker 1: what will the future look like? Or where where's it

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Speaker 1: all going? It's all happening now. The future is a

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Speaker 1: part of the now, and taro spread will will give

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Speaker 1: you a very rich and complex, you could say, mandola

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Speaker 1: or UH storybook picture all the forces that are operating

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Speaker 1: in this present moment. The devil card we talked about,

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Speaker 1: the death card, what is the devil is not the

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Speaker 1: Christian devil. It procedes you know, the place where originated

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Speaker 1: is more closely corresponding to Pan and it is kind

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Speaker 1: of the it's it's about sensuality and mischief and pleasure,

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Speaker 1: but that's not in modern taro. And the way I

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Speaker 1: interpret the UH, the double cards, I see it as

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Speaker 1: the shadow um in in terms of union psychology, it's

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Speaker 1: the UM. It's the dark side of our own personalities

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Speaker 1: that we tend to project outwards onto other people. And

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Speaker 1: we all have this and it's usually when we're it's

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Speaker 1: associated with delusion, addiction, UM, duality, UM anger, UH confliction,

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Speaker 1: things like this and UM. It really is UH in

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Speaker 1: the whole matrix of the tarot. It's the card that

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Speaker 1: is UM right highly connected and right below on the

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Speaker 1: on the table on the grid, the lover's card. In

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Speaker 1: way it's the flip side of the lovers UM sit

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Speaker 1: in the fifteen. Uh, those are the numerology, so they

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Speaker 1: cards really look very similar. You have a male and

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Speaker 1: a female, and the lovers you have they're tied by

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Speaker 1: an angelic symbol and in the Devil they're tied by

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Speaker 1: a devil figures. So it really speaks to the shadow

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Speaker 1: side that's happening in relationships today, uh, witnessed by our

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Speaker 1: near six divorce rate and all of the problems that

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Speaker 1: are commonly associated with failing marriages and relationships. And so

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Speaker 1: it's a very rich and useful card in the psychotherapeutic

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Speaker 1: context because we we look at the old the shadow

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Speaker 1: issues that are going on in a person's private life.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as Carl Young said, psychotherapy is essentially

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Speaker 1: shadow work. I mean, that's what we that's where we

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