WEBVTT - I Smell Pop Culture: 98 Degrees 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.120 I am all in again. 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:16.240 Oh it's just you. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:21.160 I Smell pop Culture with Eastern Allen and I heart 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:22.919 radio podcast. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.759 Hey everybody, Easton Allen. I am in podcasts. What eleven productions? 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.360 I heart radio, iHeart media, I heart podcasts. It's I 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.479 Smell pop culture. I smell pop culture. I smell it 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.000 and now you're going to with it as well. We're 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.920 so excited this week. This is a huge one. We're 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.159 talking to a music legend, and before I tell you 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:43.440 who it is, I know you can see it in 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.000 the title. I'm not I'm just gonna pretend like you 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.040 can't though. I'm going to drag this out a little bit. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.640 This has been such a fun thing to do. I'm 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.560 so grateful to Scott Patterson for letting me do this. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.280 This has just been such a blast. We've gotten to 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:00.680 talk to so many great people, so many awesome icons 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.840 from the world of pop culture referenced in the world 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:04.160 of Gilmour Girls. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:05.760 And we're going to keep it going. Baby. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.520 I've gotten a lot of great and very kind messages 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.240 from you guys, but here I'm going to ask you 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.840 to do one small thing for me. This is going 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.600 to go really far with my boss. Okay, so, can 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.840 you do me a favor on the podcast reviews on 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.280 Apple Podcasts. You can leave a review there. Could you 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:27.759 give it five stars and then say that Easton's pop 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.120 culture interviews are my favorite part of this show. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.080 Can you just do that for me? Can you do 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:32.399 that for me? 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.080 That'd be great, even if you don't believe it, that 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.200 would be awesome. Okay, but let's get into today's episode. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:41.360 We are talking to Jeff Timmins from ninety eight degrees. 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.800 That's right, ninety eight degrees. He's not just the lead vocals. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.119 This man started the whole group. It all started with him. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.320 There would be no ninety eight degrees if it wasn't 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.600 for Jeff Timmons. We're so excited to get to know him. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.760 Ninety eight degrees was referenced twice in Gilmer Girls, two times, 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.080 once in season, both in season one. By the way, 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.920 Season one, episode nine, Rory's Dance. So at the beginning 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:03.480 of the episode, Rory and Laura II are in the 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.760 car and they're talking about why Rory isn't going to 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:06.160 the dance. 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:06.840 She's not going to go. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.680 Rory says she doesn't want to go because she can 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.200 imagine how it will go. It'll be stuffy and boring, 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.360 the musical suck, and since none of the kids like me, 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.400 I'll be stuck in the back listening to ninety eight 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.920 Degrees watching Tristan in Paris argue which of them gets 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.760 to make me miserable first? So you know clear that 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.000 Rory's not a ninety eight degrees fan, and that gets 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:31.639 cemented later on. In season one, episode nineteen, Emily in Wonderland, 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.000 Rory and Lane are hanging out in her bedroom. They're 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.280 analyzing the voicemail that Henry left for Lane when Emily 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.560 calls Rory with some questions about what she likes. This 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.280 is for this bedroom she's setting up for her. Does 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.440 she like Roses or Lily's? And for music? Does she 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.639 like in Sync or ninety eight degrees? And then she 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.120 later says or the Backside boys that made me left 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.799 pretty hard, and Rory says in Sync. Rory does not 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.640 like ninety eight degrees. She is not a fan. She 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.160 is an InSync girl, at least given that choice. But 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.520 we are ninety eight degrees fans. We're huge fans. I 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.680 mean invisible man, I do. Thank god I found you 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:10.600 true to your heart from mulan. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:11.600 God. 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:12.880 I love that song. I love it so much. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:14.480 We're gonna talk to the guy that wrote it. He 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.640 is in the waiting room here. It's Jeff Timmins from 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.480 ninety eight degrees and this is I smell pop culture. 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:32.800 Let's get into this. Jeff Timmins, the founder of ninety 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.080 eight degrees with the legendary ninety degrees. We're such big fans. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.000 Thank you so much for doing this. We're so excited. 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.040 Oh my gosh, thanks for having me me. Congrats on 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.400 all your success. I'm excited to do this with you. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.280 Oh, thank you, thank you so much. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.760 Okay, I want to go back to the beginning here 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.880 at the start, and something that stood out to me 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.600 about ninety eight degrees that always stood out to me 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.120 is that the other kind of boy bands that you 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.960 guys get grouped in with, like in sync backsheet boys, 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.200 those were all started by like record labels and like 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.200 producers you got you were started by you, like you 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.560 started the vand Jeff Timmons. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.800 Well, I appreciate you knowing that a lot of people don't, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:11.680 despite us having done hundreds of interviews. You know, look, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.160 we you know it's flattering to be lumped in with 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.440 such successful acts, and we have a ton of respect 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.599 for Backstreet in and saying friends with those guys. 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.839 But we were started in a different way. You know. 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.800 I was a fan of R and B music and 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.760 really didn't intend on being a musician and heard Boys 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.719 the Men on the radio and fell in love with 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.599 Boys to Men and had always had a knack for 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.719 singing and been in quartets in school, and you know, 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.920 for some reason, I just gravitated towards R and B 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.400 pop and started the group at a party with some 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.400 other guys and you know, quit school and went to La. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.360 You know, like the old stories. I mean, you didn't 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.760 have stuff like this. You didn't have zooms and social 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:50.520 media and to break cuber or you know TV shows 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.760 like American Idol, So you had to go where the 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.080 action was. And a group of friends of mine and 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.200 I went to LA. We drove to LA and just 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.360 started now basically singing for our supper, dropping the hat 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.080 and trying to get discovered. And those guys ended up 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.120 quitting and then I, you know, auditioned a bunch of 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.039 people and then aroundabout way got introduced to Nick via 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.600 a tape, a cassette tape, which is you know, it's 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:14.240 an arcade. 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.240 It's it's an ancient form. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.919 Of a medium which you put into a tape player 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.919 and press play and you know all that stuff. But 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.360 Nick on a tape and didn't know what he looked 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:28.000 like and convinced La and and joined my group that 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.240 we were gonna, you know, hopefully be world famous one day. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:32.800 That's incredible. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.200 So you you were already before you left Ohio, you 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:37.880 were kind of you wanted to start a group, like 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:38.560 a vocal group. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:39.599 That was already on your mind. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.520 Well, it actually wasn't you know. I was. I was 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:43.839 bouncing from school to school. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.919 I come from a small town in Ohio that's a 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:50.440 football town. It's not arts well, not discouraged. It's not cool, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.000 you know, uh and it and I always had an 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:54.640 act for that. But I went to small college to 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.120 play football, and of course didn't have the size, the 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.440 skills you know in the above to be a good 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.000 football player. And after bounce around in failing and not 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.920 doing well a small colleges, I was at Kent State 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.640 University as a student and I was at a party 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.680 and some girls were talking about these guys as they 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.560 saw they weren't paying attention to us that they saw 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.160 these guys that were singing. 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:18.320 And I was like, well, I can do that. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.800 And I found three guys at the at the party 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.720 with me that I ended up had gone to high 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.040 school with before, and we parted out my girl and 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.560 sang at a cappella and they paid attention to its 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.440 literally as shallow as that sounds, That's how I started. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.159 This whole thing. I called my mom up. I only 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:34.560 had a. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.760 Less than a semester left before I graduated school, and 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.640 I called my mom on the phone and said, I'm 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.320 going to start a singing group and I'm going to 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:41.920 quit school. 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.640 And she, obviously she didn't believe me. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.039 She thought I was drinking, which I had, But you know, 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.480 there was something about the way it sounded that night 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.919 that it just it kind of I had an epiphany 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:53.960 and I wanted to do it. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.320 And that's that's how it started. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.120 I'd never aspired although that stuff came to me naturally 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.120 and I had a knack for it, I didn't think 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.159 i'd be doing it for a career at no point 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:03.760 in my life. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:05.279 Zero percent chance. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.839 And I mean, and you guys like really influenced like 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.280 an entire generation of music just from that moment. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:12.040 It's incredible. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.320 It is weird that one single, slight decision can can 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.800 change the course of the universe, you know, your own universe. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.160 I mean I decided that, Oh man, I got to 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.440 finish school. I mean, who knows what would be going on? 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:27.920 You wouldn't I mean, Nick wouldn't have joined my group. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.800 I mean, who knows what his destiny would have been. 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.840 But there's a lot of things that you're going Well, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:33.680 if I didn't go to this place, I meet this 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:35.760 guy and then do this, you know, the whole course 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:37.160 of a lot of things would be different. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.240 Yeah. Again, I'm wondering if you can clear something up 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.480 for me. The name ninety degrees. I love it so much. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.240 It's so cool. I love that it's stylized with the 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.400 little degree symbol. That makes me so happy. I read 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.720 two different origins for the name, and I want to 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.000 know if you can clear this up for me. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:57.840 So one's probably true, So okay, okay, which ones you're 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:58.400 gonna tell me? 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.680 I read that you uh seeing a temperature on a 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.320 hot tub was one of the stories, and the other 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.160 one is just the average human body temperature. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.680 Well, I hadn't heard either one of those whoa. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.080 But you know what we used to say in interviews 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.880 was our music is our love. Songs created an atmosphere 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.000 of heat and sexiness, and so that's why we came 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:22.920 up with ninety eight degrees. No, that's not how we 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.280 really came up with it. We we had a bunch 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.360 of bad names. When I started the group, we were 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.640 called just us. Actually the first group was a spoof 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.440 name called four Tools, like four goofballs then it can 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.320 jump us, which is totally boring and unmemorable. And then 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.959 you know, right before we got signed, people were like, look, 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.719 you guys got to come up with a cooler name, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.280 and so we we we all scratched down names on 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:46.040 a piece of paper. 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:47.319 There were some terrible ones. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.320 Next issue, you know, new edition, you know, yeah, you 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.720 know verse four fourte you know, all the names with 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.480 four in it, and then we, you know, none of 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.880 them stuck in. Our manager at the time had a 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.800 really pretty girlfriend and she and her friends walked up 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.920 to us and here we are, fresh off the boat 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:11.040 from Ohio and see gorgeous New York girls telling us 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:12.280 we should be called nine. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.600 NB eight degrees. And so we were like sure, and 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:15.800 that's how we came up with the day. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.040 Believe it at very very deep thinkers we were back then. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:21.840 I mean it clearly stuck. 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:22.160 Wow. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.560 Incredible. Anyway, thank you for clearing that up for me. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.400 Something I'm always really interested in with bands, groups that 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.760 get to this level is like, what are some of 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.080 the early shows you guys played? Do you remember something 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.920 like did you ever play like a county fair or 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.160 like that's. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.120 A great question. Nobody really ever asked us that. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:44.439 We started off playing cheerleading camps and driving ourselves around 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.760 in a window bago that we had wrapped with our 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.959 pictures on it. Yeah, and we went from cheer we 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.120 sang It's Something acappella and met somebody that ran a 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.480 big cheerleader organization, and so we thought we would gain 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.360 a fan base by driving around to these cheer leading 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.440 camps in the summertime. We played gymnasiums and sometimes we 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.760 had a boom box was the sound system, and we 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.760 literally were collecting a mailing list. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.280 There wasn't an email list. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:14.520 We would collect physical mailing addresses from these cheerleaders so 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.240 we could spam them with our letters and mail with 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.960 our new material and our new songs and stuff like that. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.200 But I mean we've played everything. Man, We've played a 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.720 cornfield in the middle of nowhere, in the mud. I mean, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:31.000 you name it, we've done it. Malls, you know, car lots, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.200 I mean, and also the other side of things, stadiums 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.000 and race tracks for one hundred and ten thousand people. 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:38.880 But we've done it. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.040 When I tell you we've done it all, we've done. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.480 We've done it all. There's nothing left for us that 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:44.640 we haven't done yet. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.200 And let that be a listen to everyone listening. You 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.480 know that grind, that motivation, believing in what you're doing. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.240 It's so inspiring to hear that. That's kind of story. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.320 And when you guys were when you first hit the scene, 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.320 your style, I think you're style is so markedly different 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.320 from the other boy bands that again you get grouped 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.720 in with, Like you're so distinctly different from in sync 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.199 from Backstreet Boys. How did you develop that sound? Like, 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.120 where did that inspiration come from? Well? 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.760 I appreciate you knowing all this stuff. It's very nice 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.440 because look, we were inspired by good music. And not 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.520 to say that those groups don't have good music. 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.000 We love pop, but. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.720 We're more r and B influenced, you know, we boys 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.040 demand and vocal groups like Take six, which are these 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.880 these guys with an amazing blunt but also do wop 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.480 groups from the fifties and sixties and Temptations and the 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.280 Four Tops, but also classic rock groups like Foreigner and 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.080 Journey and Boston and all these groups that have these 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.240 really lush you know, four five part, six part harmony 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.440 with a lot of soul, and so was our That 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.000 was the sort of the gestation and beginning of what 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.199 we kind of craft that as our sound. And I'm 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.240 very thankful you you recognize that. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.640 Yeah, it really drew me in. I mean, so when 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.240 I was growing up, the only boy band I listened 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.520 to was the Beach Boys. I loved their harmonies. I 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.000 love the Beach Boys. But then when I heard True 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:06.960 to Your Heart on the Mulan soundtrack, I was like, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.200 who are these guys? Oh my god, this is awesome. How, 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.120 I mean, how did you get hooked up with Disney 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.160 with Stevie Wonder? Can you tell me how that came together? 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.440 It was amazing. And you want you talk about Stevie Wonder. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.199 I mean, he's one of our idols. I mean, you're 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:24.319 talking about those old motown groups like Stevie and Smokey Robinson, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.040 and you know, we were signed a modetown h and 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.280 so we were on the road and we had gotten 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:33.240 approached by Disney, you know, and and here, you know, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.319 Disney wanted us to do something for a soundtrack, and 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.520 we all know what that means. That means, that's a 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.880 huge opportunity. And so we of course said yes. And 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.240 they said, well, how did you feel about Stevie wonder, 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:43.640 you know, playing harmonica? 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:44.880 We said, are you kidding you? 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.520 Of course, And what we did is we went in 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.240 the studio and recorded the record, all of it without 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.840 Stevie on it, and just his harmonica part. And and 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.840 Christina Aguilera was there, Yeah, reflections wow. And it was 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.400 in the beginning stages of her career as well. And 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.000 then you know, I guess Stevie decided it. He heard it 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.199 and said, hey, you know, I'm going to take take 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.000 a verse on this. And of course he took the 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.160 song to a whole nother dimension and that that stuff 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:13.679 was like a pinch me moment. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.840 You never you know, I'm a year. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.840 And a half, two years removed from sitting in my 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.040 basement in Ohio listening to this guy on the stereo 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.640 and then next thing I know, we're doing this soundtrack 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.360 for Disney with him and then performing on the Tonight 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.760 Show with him. So it was, it was it was 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:30.120 quite an experience for us. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:30.720 Wow. 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.120 So would you say that was the moment when things 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.520 started really like going to the stratosphere for you or. 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.880 It's hard to say because you know you went back 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.520 then it was such a grind and you literally worked 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.679 all the time. You didn't have social media to proliferate 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.120 your brand and touch your fans every day of the week. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.320 You had to constantly be out into the public, sort 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.199 of like on a campaign trail for your career, doing 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.400 live shows, free shows in stores where you sign autographs 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:57.640 in stores. A lot of people are like, one, are 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.679 those you know doing all kinds of stuff where you know, 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.840 we didn't really you know, we would see these different milestones, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.760 but we're such a bunch of blue collar guys. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:06.400 We were going, all. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.800 Right, what's next, what's next? And you'd go, Okay, this 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.120 is cool. I think the Tonight Show with Stevie was 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.599 one of them. I think hearing your song on the 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.360 radio for the first time is another one. 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.120 You're like, oh, man, kiss FM. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.280 I was in La working security and I was going, man, 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.400 I want to be on Kiss FM someday, you know. 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.560 So those are there are so many of those moments, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:25.920 but it takes it takes them innute to step back, 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.360 which we didn't have and go wow, we're on the 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.800 right trajectory. And then all of a sudden you're doing 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.640 different things, performing at the White House on a ward 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.080 shows and things of that nature, and you're going, wow, 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.880 we're still we think we're still in the right direction, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.280 but the milestones you really couldn't take a break and 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.720 take it in. We enjoyed it, but we probably could 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.160 have enjoyed a lot more. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:47.040 I love hearing that. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.440 As we record this, I'm sitting two doors down from 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.080 the KISSFM studios, so that's that's exciting to hear at 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:52.600 that station. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:52.840 Man. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.800 I mean, those guys were instrumental in helping break us, 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.000 so big fan. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.480 Yeah, we love you over here. So I told you 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.920 before we started recording this. This show is about Gilmore Girls, 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:10.000 and we're exploring all the pop culture icons that grace. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.600 The words of Gilmore Girls and ninety degrees is brought 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.560 up twice, and there's one part where Rory, the daughter character, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.080 she's asked by her grandmother what music do you like 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.680 in sync or ninety eight degrees? And then she also 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.440 references she calls them the Backside Boys, but the Backshe Boys, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.120 and Rory chooses in sync over you, guys, I'm sorry 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.880 to say, hey, look again. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.840 To be first of all on such an iconic show, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:38.640 we used to like, well, we would hear that kind 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.080 of stuff. We were like, wow, that's amazing, even if 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.280 it was a jab at us. You know, if the 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.040 La Times reviewing one of our records, it gives us 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.400 the thumbs down, We'll like, hey, guys, La Times. They 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.680 reviewed our record Gilmore Girls, Okay, in sync they sold 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.160 you know, forty million albums. I don't mean by coming 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.200 in second place to them on a hit TV show. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.240 That's yeah. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.040 I was gonna ask, like that must happen all the time, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.160 Like where you're like watching TV and like a character 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:06.960 brings or like or you see like a ninety degrees 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.040 poster in the background of a movie or something like 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:10.040 how does that feel? 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:10.880 Does that happen to you? 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.200 It does feel? You know, Look, it's it always felt cool. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.360 It feels cool now when I mean, we're thirty years 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.360 into this, right, so yeah, still, you know, mentioned on 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.360 relevant TV show someone I can't remember the show that 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.120 it was on, but somebody just referenced us on a 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.440 show the other day, And of course immediately my phone 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.240 starts blowing up, Well did you see this? Then the 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.360 other And I'm like, I don't even know what show 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.680 that is, but reference very recently and I can't. I 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.360 wish I could have remembered the name of the show, 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:37.840 but I can't. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.080 Right now. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.160 Yeah, I mean again, you guys, and we're all talk 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.400 about your new album here in a second. But still 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:48.360 in twenty twenty five, still such a huge band. Now, 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.360 in two thousand and three, you went on hiatus. You 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.960 guys took a break for a bit, and but you 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.440 reunited in twenty twelve. You kept your promise that you'd 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.640 be back. But I'm curious if you're open to talking 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.760 about this. During that break, was there ever a point 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.000 where you were like, oh, we might get back together, 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:06.359 this might be the end of ninety degrees? 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.960 Well, yeah, the entire break, you know, the entire break 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:09.800 until the very end. 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.600 I mean, you know, for us, it was abrupt, so 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.720 we ended up stopping you know, September twelfth of two 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.320 thousand and one, we were in New York City on 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:20.400 September eleventh. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.960 We were on the grind for pretty much five years straight. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.160 We did the Michael Jackson Special in New York City 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.320 on September tenth. The next day was September eleventh, and 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.359 we didn't know what was going to happen. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:32.440 But in the world we. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.080 Were due for a break for our last couple of 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.360 shows because obviously, you know, we didn't know if there 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.400