1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: I am all in again. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 2: Oh it's just you. 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: I Smell pop Culture with Eastern Allen and I heart 4 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: radio podcast. 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: Hey everybody, Easton Allen. I am in podcasts. What eleven productions? 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: I heart radio, iHeart media, I heart podcasts. It's I 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 3: Smell pop culture. I smell pop culture. I smell it 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: and now you're going to with it as well. We're 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: so excited this week. This is a huge one. We're 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 3: talking to a music legend, and before I tell you 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: who it is, I know you can see it in 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: the title. I'm not I'm just gonna pretend like you 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: can't though. I'm going to drag this out a little bit. 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: This has been such a fun thing to do. I'm 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: so grateful to Scott Patterson for letting me do this. 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: This has just been such a blast. We've gotten to 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: talk to so many great people, so many awesome icons 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: from the world of pop culture referenced in the world 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: of Gilmour Girls. 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: And we're going to keep it going. Baby. 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: I've gotten a lot of great and very kind messages 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: from you guys, but here I'm going to ask you 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: to do one small thing for me. This is going 24 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: to go really far with my boss. Okay, so, can 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: you do me a favor on the podcast reviews on 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts. You can leave a review there. Could you 27 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 3: give it five stars and then say that Easton's pop 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 3: culture interviews are my favorite part of this show. 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Can you just do that for me? Can you do 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: that for me? 31 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: That'd be great, even if you don't believe it, that 32 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: would be awesome. Okay, but let's get into today's episode. 33 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: We are talking to Jeff Timmins from ninety eight degrees. 34 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: That's right, ninety eight degrees. He's not just the lead vocals. 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 3: This man started the whole group. It all started with him. 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: There would be no ninety eight degrees if it wasn't 37 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 3: for Jeff Timmons. We're so excited to get to know him. 38 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: Ninety eight degrees was referenced twice in Gilmer Girls, two times, 39 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: once in season, both in season one. By the way, 40 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: Season one, episode nine, Rory's Dance. So at the beginning 41 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: of the episode, Rory and Laura II are in the 42 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: car and they're talking about why Rory isn't going to 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: the dance. 44 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: She's not going to go. 45 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: Rory says she doesn't want to go because she can 46 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: imagine how it will go. It'll be stuffy and boring, 47 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 3: the musical suck, and since none of the kids like me, 48 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: I'll be stuck in the back listening to ninety eight 49 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 3: Degrees watching Tristan in Paris argue which of them gets 50 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: to make me miserable first? So you know clear that 51 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: Rory's not a ninety eight degrees fan, and that gets 52 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: cemented later on. In season one, episode nineteen, Emily in Wonderland, 53 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 3: Rory and Lane are hanging out in her bedroom. They're 54 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: analyzing the voicemail that Henry left for Lane when Emily 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: calls Rory with some questions about what she likes. This 56 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: is for this bedroom she's setting up for her. Does 57 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: she like Roses or Lily's? And for music? Does she 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 3: like in Sync or ninety eight degrees? And then she 59 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: later says or the Backside boys that made me left 60 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 3: pretty hard, and Rory says in Sync. Rory does not 61 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 3: like ninety eight degrees. She is not a fan. She 62 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: is an InSync girl, at least given that choice. But 63 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: we are ninety eight degrees fans. We're huge fans. I 64 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: mean invisible man, I do. Thank god I found you 65 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: true to your heart from mulan. 66 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: God. 67 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: I love that song. I love it so much. 68 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: We're gonna talk to the guy that wrote it. He 69 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: is in the waiting room here. It's Jeff Timmins from 70 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 3: ninety eight degrees and this is I smell pop culture. 71 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: Let's get into this. Jeff Timmins, the founder of ninety 72 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: eight degrees with the legendary ninety degrees. We're such big fans. 73 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for doing this. We're so excited. 74 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, thanks for having me me. Congrats on 75 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 4: all your success. I'm excited to do this with you. 76 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you so much. 77 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: Okay, I want to go back to the beginning here 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: at the start, and something that stood out to me 79 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: about ninety eight degrees that always stood out to me 80 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: is that the other kind of boy bands that you 81 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: guys get grouped in with, like in sync backsheet boys, 82 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: those were all started by like record labels and like 83 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: producers you got you were started by you, like you 84 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: started the vand Jeff Timmons. 85 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate you knowing that a lot of people don't, 86 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: despite us having done hundreds of interviews. You know, look, 87 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 4: we you know it's flattering to be lumped in with 88 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 4: such successful acts, and we have a ton of respect 89 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 4: for Backstreet in and saying friends with those guys. 90 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: But we were started in a different way. You know. 91 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: I was a fan of R and B music and 92 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 4: really didn't intend on being a musician and heard Boys 93 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 4: the Men on the radio and fell in love with 94 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 4: Boys to Men and had always had a knack for 95 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 4: singing and been in quartets in school, and you know, 96 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 4: for some reason, I just gravitated towards R and B 97 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: pop and started the group at a party with some 98 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 4: other guys and you know, quit school and went to La. 99 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 4: You know, like the old stories. I mean, you didn't 100 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: have stuff like this. You didn't have zooms and social 101 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: media and to break cuber or you know TV shows 102 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 4: like American Idol, So you had to go where the 103 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 4: action was. And a group of friends of mine and 104 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 4: I went to LA. We drove to LA and just 105 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 4: started now basically singing for our supper, dropping the hat 106 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 4: and trying to get discovered. And those guys ended up 107 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: quitting and then I, you know, auditioned a bunch of 108 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 4: people and then aroundabout way got introduced to Nick via 109 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 4: a tape, a cassette tape, which is you know, it's 110 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 4: an arcade. 111 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: It's it's an ancient form. 112 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 4: Of a medium which you put into a tape player 113 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 4: and press play and you know all that stuff. But 114 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: Nick on a tape and didn't know what he looked 115 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 4: like and convinced La and and joined my group that 116 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: we were gonna, you know, hopefully be world famous one day. 117 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: That's incredible. 118 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: So you you were already before you left Ohio, you 119 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: were kind of you wanted to start a group, like 120 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: a vocal group. 121 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: That was already on your mind. 122 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: Well, it actually wasn't you know. I was. I was 123 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: bouncing from school to school. 124 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 4: I come from a small town in Ohio that's a 125 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 4: football town. It's not arts well, not discouraged. It's not cool, 126 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: you know, uh and it and I always had an 127 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: act for that. But I went to small college to 128 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 4: play football, and of course didn't have the size, the 129 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 4: skills you know in the above to be a good 130 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: football player. And after bounce around in failing and not 131 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 4: doing well a small colleges, I was at Kent State 132 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: University as a student and I was at a party 133 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: and some girls were talking about these guys as they 134 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 4: saw they weren't paying attention to us that they saw 135 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 4: these guys that were singing. 136 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: And I was like, well, I can do that. 137 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 4: And I found three guys at the at the party 138 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 4: with me that I ended up had gone to high 139 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: school with before, and we parted out my girl and 140 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 4: sang at a cappella and they paid attention to its 141 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 4: literally as shallow as that sounds, That's how I started. 142 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: This whole thing. I called my mom up. I only 143 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: had a. 144 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: Less than a semester left before I graduated school, and 145 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: I called my mom on the phone and said, I'm 146 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 4: going to start a singing group and I'm going to 147 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 4: quit school. 148 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: And she, obviously she didn't believe me. 149 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 4: She thought I was drinking, which I had, But you know, 150 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 4: there was something about the way it sounded that night 151 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 4: that it just it kind of I had an epiphany 152 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 4: and I wanted to do it. 153 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: And that's that's how it started. 154 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 4: I'd never aspired although that stuff came to me naturally 155 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: and I had a knack for it, I didn't think 156 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 4: i'd be doing it for a career at no point 157 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: in my life. 158 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: Zero percent chance. 159 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: And I mean, and you guys like really influenced like 160 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: an entire generation of music just from that moment. 161 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: It's incredible. 162 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 4: It is weird that one single, slight decision can can 163 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: change the course of the universe, you know, your own universe. 164 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: I mean I decided that, Oh man, I got to 165 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 4: finish school. I mean, who knows what would be going on? 166 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: You wouldn't I mean, Nick wouldn't have joined my group. 167 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: I mean, who knows what his destiny would have been. 168 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: But there's a lot of things that you're going Well, 169 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 4: if I didn't go to this place, I meet this 170 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 4: guy and then do this, you know, the whole course 171 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 4: of a lot of things would be different. 172 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, I'm wondering if you can clear something up 173 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: for me. The name ninety degrees. I love it so much. 174 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: It's so cool. I love that it's stylized with the 175 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: little degree symbol. That makes me so happy. I read 176 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: two different origins for the name, and I want to 177 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: know if you can clear this up for me. 178 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: So one's probably true, So okay, okay, which ones you're 179 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: gonna tell me? 180 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: I read that you uh seeing a temperature on a 181 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: hot tub was one of the stories, and the other 182 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: one is just the average human body temperature. 183 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: Well, I hadn't heard either one of those whoa. 184 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 4: But you know what we used to say in interviews 185 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: was our music is our love. Songs created an atmosphere 186 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: of heat and sexiness, and so that's why we came 187 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 4: up with ninety eight degrees. No, that's not how we 188 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 4: really came up with it. We we had a bunch 189 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 4: of bad names. When I started the group, we were 190 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 4: called just us. Actually the first group was a spoof 191 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 4: name called four Tools, like four goofballs then it can 192 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 4: jump us, which is totally boring and unmemorable. And then 193 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 4: you know, right before we got signed, people were like, look, 194 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 4: you guys got to come up with a cooler name, 195 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: and so we we we all scratched down names on 196 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 4: a piece of paper. 197 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 2: There were some terrible ones. 198 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 4: Next issue, you know, new edition, you know, yeah, you 199 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 4: know verse four fourte you know, all the names with 200 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 4: four in it, and then we, you know, none of 201 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: them stuck in. Our manager at the time had a 202 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: really pretty girlfriend and she and her friends walked up 203 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: to us and here we are, fresh off the boat 204 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 4: from Ohio and see gorgeous New York girls telling us 205 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: we should be called nine. 206 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: NB eight degrees. And so we were like sure, and 207 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: that's how we came up with the day. 208 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 4: Believe it at very very deep thinkers we were back then. 209 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: I mean it clearly stuck. 210 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: Wow. 211 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: Incredible. Anyway, thank you for clearing that up for me. 212 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: Something I'm always really interested in with bands, groups that 213 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: get to this level is like, what are some of 214 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 3: the early shows you guys played? Do you remember something 215 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: like did you ever play like a county fair or 216 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: like that's. 217 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: A great question. Nobody really ever asked us that. 218 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 4: We started off playing cheerleading camps and driving ourselves around 219 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: in a window bago that we had wrapped with our 220 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 4: pictures on it. Yeah, and we went from cheer we 221 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: sang It's Something acappella and met somebody that ran a 222 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: big cheerleader organization, and so we thought we would gain 223 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 4: a fan base by driving around to these cheer leading 224 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 4: camps in the summertime. We played gymnasiums and sometimes we 225 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 4: had a boom box was the sound system, and we 226 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 4: literally were collecting a mailing list. 227 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: There wasn't an email list. 228 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: We would collect physical mailing addresses from these cheerleaders so 229 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: we could spam them with our letters and mail with 230 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 4: our new material and our new songs and stuff like that. 231 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 4: But I mean we've played everything. Man, We've played a 232 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 4: cornfield in the middle of nowhere, in the mud. I mean, 233 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 4: you name it, we've done it. Malls, you know, car lots, 234 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 4: I mean, and also the other side of things, stadiums 235 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: and race tracks for one hundred and ten thousand people. 236 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: But we've done it. 237 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 4: When I tell you we've done it all, we've done. 238 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 4: We've done it all. There's nothing left for us that 239 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: we haven't done yet. 240 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: And let that be a listen to everyone listening. You 241 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: know that grind, that motivation, believing in what you're doing. 242 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: It's so inspiring to hear that. That's kind of story. 243 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: And when you guys were when you first hit the scene, 244 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 3: your style, I think you're style is so markedly different 245 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: from the other boy bands that again you get grouped 246 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: in with, Like you're so distinctly different from in sync 247 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 3: from Backstreet Boys. How did you develop that sound? Like, 248 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: where did that inspiration come from? Well? 249 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: I appreciate you knowing all this stuff. It's very nice 250 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 4: because look, we were inspired by good music. And not 251 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: to say that those groups don't have good music. 252 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: We love pop, but. 253 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 4: We're more r and B influenced, you know, we boys 254 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 4: demand and vocal groups like Take six, which are these 255 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: these guys with an amazing blunt but also do wop 256 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: groups from the fifties and sixties and Temptations and the 257 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 4: Four Tops, but also classic rock groups like Foreigner and 258 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 4: Journey and Boston and all these groups that have these 259 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: really lush you know, four five part, six part harmony 260 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 4: with a lot of soul, and so was our That 261 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 4: was the sort of the gestation and beginning of what 262 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 4: we kind of craft that as our sound. And I'm 263 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: very thankful you you recognize that. 264 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really drew me in. I mean, so when 265 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: I was growing up, the only boy band I listened 266 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: to was the Beach Boys. I loved their harmonies. I 267 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: love the Beach Boys. But then when I heard True 268 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: to Your Heart on the Mulan soundtrack, I was like, 269 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: who are these guys? Oh my god, this is awesome. How, 270 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: I mean, how did you get hooked up with Disney 271 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: with Stevie Wonder? Can you tell me how that came together? 272 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: It was amazing. And you want you talk about Stevie Wonder. 273 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 4: I mean, he's one of our idols. I mean, you're 274 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 4: talking about those old motown groups like Stevie and Smokey Robinson, 275 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: and you know, we were signed a modetown h and 276 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 4: so we were on the road and we had gotten 277 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 4: approached by Disney, you know, and and here, you know, 278 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 4: Disney wanted us to do something for a soundtrack, and 279 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: we all know what that means. That means, that's a 280 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 4: huge opportunity. And so we of course said yes. And 281 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: they said, well, how did you feel about Stevie wonder, 282 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 4: you know, playing harmonica? 283 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: We said, are you kidding you? 284 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: Of course, And what we did is we went in 285 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: the studio and recorded the record, all of it without 286 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 4: Stevie on it, and just his harmonica part. And and 287 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 4: Christina Aguilera was there, Yeah, reflections wow. And it was 288 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: in the beginning stages of her career as well. And 289 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: then you know, I guess Stevie decided it. He heard it 290 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 4: and said, hey, you know, I'm going to take take 291 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 4: a verse on this. And of course he took the 292 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 4: song to a whole nother dimension and that that stuff 293 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 4: was like a pinch me moment. 294 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: You never you know, I'm a year. 295 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 4: And a half, two years removed from sitting in my 296 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 4: basement in Ohio listening to this guy on the stereo 297 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: and then next thing I know, we're doing this soundtrack 298 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 4: for Disney with him and then performing on the Tonight 299 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 4: Show with him. So it was, it was it was 300 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 4: quite an experience for us. 301 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: Wow. 302 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: So would you say that was the moment when things 303 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: started really like going to the stratosphere for you or. 304 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 4: It's hard to say because you know you went back 305 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: then it was such a grind and you literally worked 306 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 4: all the time. You didn't have social media to proliferate 307 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 4: your brand and touch your fans every day of the week. 308 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 4: You had to constantly be out into the public, sort 309 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 4: of like on a campaign trail for your career, doing 310 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: live shows, free shows in stores where you sign autographs 311 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 4: in stores. A lot of people are like, one, are 312 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 4: those you know doing all kinds of stuff where you know, 313 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 4: we didn't really you know, we would see these different milestones, 314 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 4: but we're such a bunch of blue collar guys. 315 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: We were going, all. 316 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 4: Right, what's next, what's next? And you'd go, Okay, this 317 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 4: is cool. I think the Tonight Show with Stevie was 318 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 4: one of them. I think hearing your song on the 319 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: radio for the first time is another one. 320 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, man, kiss FM. 321 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: I was in La working security and I was going, man, 322 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 4: I want to be on Kiss FM someday, you know. 323 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 4: So those are there are so many of those moments, 324 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 4: but it takes it takes them innute to step back, 325 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 4: which we didn't have and go wow, we're on the 326 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 4: right trajectory. And then all of a sudden you're doing 327 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 4: different things, performing at the White House on a ward 328 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 4: shows and things of that nature, and you're going, wow, 329 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: we're still we think we're still in the right direction, 330 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 4: but the milestones you really couldn't take a break and 331 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 4: take it in. We enjoyed it, but we probably could 332 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 4: have enjoyed a lot more. 333 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: I love hearing that. 334 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: As we record this, I'm sitting two doors down from 335 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: the KISSFM studios, so that's that's exciting to hear at 336 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: that station. 337 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: Man. 338 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: I mean, those guys were instrumental in helping break us, 339 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: so big fan. 340 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, we love you over here. So I told you 341 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 3: before we started recording this. This show is about Gilmore Girls, 342 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: and we're exploring all the pop culture icons that grace. 343 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: The words of Gilmore Girls and ninety degrees is brought 344 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: up twice, and there's one part where Rory, the daughter character, 345 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: she's asked by her grandmother what music do you like 346 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: in sync or ninety eight degrees? And then she also 347 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: references she calls them the Backside Boys, but the Backshe Boys, 348 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: and Rory chooses in sync over you, guys, I'm sorry 349 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: to say, hey, look again. 350 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: To be first of all on such an iconic show, 351 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: we used to like, well, we would hear that kind 352 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: of stuff. We were like, wow, that's amazing, even if 353 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 4: it was a jab at us. You know, if the 354 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: La Times reviewing one of our records, it gives us 355 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: the thumbs down, We'll like, hey, guys, La Times. They 356 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: reviewed our record Gilmore Girls, Okay, in sync they sold 357 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 4: you know, forty million albums. I don't mean by coming 358 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 4: in second place to them on a hit TV show. 359 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: That's yeah. 360 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: I was gonna ask, like that must happen all the time, 361 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: Like where you're like watching TV and like a character 362 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: brings or like or you see like a ninety degrees 363 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: poster in the background of a movie or something like 364 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 3: how does that feel? 365 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: Does that happen to you? 366 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: It does feel? You know, Look, it's it always felt cool. 367 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: It feels cool now when I mean, we're thirty years 368 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 4: into this, right, so yeah, still, you know, mentioned on 369 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 4: relevant TV show someone I can't remember the show that 370 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 4: it was on, but somebody just referenced us on a 371 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 4: show the other day, And of course immediately my phone 372 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 4: starts blowing up, Well did you see this? Then the 373 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 4: other And I'm like, I don't even know what show 374 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 4: that is, but reference very recently and I can't. I 375 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 4: wish I could have remembered the name of the show, 376 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: but I can't. 377 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: Right now. 378 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, you guys, and we're all talk 379 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: about your new album here in a second. But still 380 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, still such a huge band. Now, 381 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: in two thousand and three, you went on hiatus. You 382 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: guys took a break for a bit, and but you 383 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: reunited in twenty twelve. You kept your promise that you'd 384 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: be back. But I'm curious if you're open to talking 385 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: about this. During that break, was there ever a point 386 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: where you were like, oh, we might get back together, 387 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: this might be the end of ninety degrees? 388 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the entire break, you know, the entire break 389 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: until the very end. 390 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, for us, it was abrupt, so 391 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 4: we ended up stopping you know, September twelfth of two 392 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 4: thousand and one, we were in New York City on 393 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 4: September eleventh. 394 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: We were on the grind for pretty much five years straight. 395 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 4: We did the Michael Jackson Special in New York City 396 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 4: on September tenth. The next day was September eleventh, and 397 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 4: we didn't know what was going to happen. 398 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: But in the world we. 399 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 4: Were due for a break for our last couple of 400 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 4: shows because obviously, you know, we didn't know if there 401 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 4: was going to be a war or we were away 402 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 4: from our families. 403 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: We all went to our families. 404 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 4: I had two little kids at the time, and I 405 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 4: just just you know, I went in that direction. Nick 406 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 4: ended up doing a TV show, you know, Justin ended 407 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 4: up running for may or. Drew ended up started and 408 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 4: performing art school. So we all went in different directions. 409 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 4: We didn't officially break up. We just kind of went 410 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 4: in weird trajectories for about a decade. 411 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 2: And so I never thought, you know that we you know, we. 412 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 4: All had so many different things we were doing and 413 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 4: it's and they were all so different that we're like, 414 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 4: how are we going to make this a line? And 415 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: then you know, look in twenty eleven, we said, well 416 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: maybe we should get back together. 417 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it was so weird. 418 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 4: I called Justin and like, don't you think it's time 419 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 4: to get back together? And he said yeah. I mean, 420 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 4: it wasn't like some weird fight that we all sat 421 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 4: down at the table and hashed out our differences. Were 422 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 4: all like, okay, should we get back together now? And 423 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 4: then everybody said yeah, let's get let's get back together, 424 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 4: and that's what we did. We came back and we 425 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: decided to come back, couldn't find the right timing. We 426 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 4: end up doing this big show in Pennsylvania that was 427 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 4: popular called Mixtape, and we were like, look, here's what 428 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 4: we'll do. We'll put together a little show for this 429 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 4: and if the fans like it, maybe we'll consider, you know, 430 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 4: doing it more and coming back. And if they don't, well, 431 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 4: look we'll go back and do our own things. Fortunately 432 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 4: for us, they liked it, and so we've been around 433 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 4: ever since then, and it's been the second time we've 434 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 4: been together and at it twice as long as we 435 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 4: were the first run, and so owned by we have. 436 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: So much more fun. 437 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 4: We're so blessed to do it, and we never thought 438 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 4: I thought we would be doing it this long and 439 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 4: have such a loyal fan base, so you know, we're 440 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 4: thrilled and excited about you know, what we've been able 441 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 4: to do and that they're still coming out for us 442 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: and supporting us. 443 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: I love it. 444 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 3: Jeff Timmins from ninety degrees is with us. We're going 445 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 3: to take a quick break here on the IMLON podcast. 446 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: We'll be back in one second. Hey, it's the imlone podcast. 447 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: I smell pop culture. We're hanging out with Jeff Timmins 448 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: from ninety eight degrees, the legendary ninety eight degrees. So 449 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: something I read that we're gonna talk about your again. 450 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: You new I'm here in a second. But Nikolache said 451 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: that when you guys were recording I do cherish you, 452 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: he had a cold and he was eating lazed potato 453 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 3: chips till help code his throat or something like that. 454 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 3: I thought that was such a wild I had never 455 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 3: heard that before for a vocalist, and I was worrying, 456 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 3: if you have any weird vocal tricks that you do 457 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: that you can share with us, Well. 458 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 459 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 4: So we you know, I'm sure you know vocalists, and 460 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 4: you interview vocalists when you're in the studio, you're a 461 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 4: head case. Vocalists they're superstitious. They always think they're not 462 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 4: warmed up. They always there. They're hypochondriacs. They think they 463 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 4: have a cold when they don't have it. We somehow 464 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 4: psych ourselves out. And you know, for me, this is 465 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 4: probably not going to be the best advice because I 466 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 4: like to have a couple of beers before I go 467 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 4: in this, right, loosen up and relax a little bit 468 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 4: before I go in there. 469 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 2: I'll have a couple of drinks. 470 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 4: Now, vocal coaches purists will tell you that that's bad 471 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 4: for your voice, it dries out your vocal cords, which 472 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: could be true. But for me, that little inner critic, 473 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 4: if I have a couple of beers or a couple drinks, 474 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 4: the inner critic shuts off. 475 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: You're a little bit more relaxed. Even if it's a placebos. 476 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 2: Probably someone could give me non alcoholic beer and put 477 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 2: it in al and I would go, oh, I feel loose. 478 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: You know. 479 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 4: It's that kind of a thing to where you're not 480 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 4: afraid to try things. You have a little bit more confidence. 481 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 4: And so that's I mean not to encourage people to 482 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 4: drink alcohol, but that's when I'm in the studio, I 483 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 4: like to have a couple of drinks. Now, Nick did 484 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 4: do that with the laze potato chips, specifically lays Keith Thomas, 485 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 4: the producer, gave him because they had more salt and 486 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 4: more oil in it, and supposedly that made him, you know, 487 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: sing such beautifully on that song. It's like a legendary 488 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 4: song that he crushes. But I don't know that those 489 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: potato chips. Actually, I think Nick psyched himself out, and 490 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 4: he sounds amazing, even if he has a cold, he 491 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 4: always sounds amazing. 492 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a voice of an angel, that guy. 493 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 3: Do you have any like formal vocal training, because you're 494 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: telling me like it seems like everything starts so organically 495 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 3: for you. 496 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 497 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 4: You know, Look, I grew up in the musical, theater 498 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 4: and choir. My parents had us in everything. We played 499 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 4: a lot of sports. We were in speech and debate. 500 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 4: We were in theater, we were in musicals, we were 501 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 4: in the band. You know, they had us doing everything. Now, 502 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: you don't have time as a kid, you can do 503 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 4: one thing. Yeah, but we did everything, and so I 504 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 4: had some training. But you know, like I said, we 505 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 4: came from it wasn't cool, so I. 506 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: Never really took it seriously. 507 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 4: I mean i'd go and excel in that area or 508 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 4: get lead parts of things, but I never practiced. I 509 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 4: never did any vocal exercises. I mean, to this day, 510 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 4: we'd kind of warm up about three minutes before we 511 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 4: go on stage. I don't walk around with the thing 512 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 4: on my neck and turn the temperature down in the room. 513 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: I don't do any of that stuff. 514 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 4: So once in a while for your horse, maybe some 515 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 4: hot teat a little bit of honey and lemon, and 516 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 4: sometimes that'll get it going. 517 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 2: But you know, look, I wish we did. 518 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 4: At one point, Motown put us with a vocal coach, 519 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: and we were paying for this guy to go see 520 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 4: him once a week, twice a week. But we get 521 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 4: there and before like the month was over, we realized 522 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: we never did any vocal training. 523 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: All we did was tell us stories about his career. 524 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 4: So we cut that off after it cost us I 525 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 4: don't know twenty thousand dollars or something, but yeah, I mean, 526 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 4: it's a little off the beaten path that we don't 527 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 4: have those kinds of things. And I wouldn't encourage people 528 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 4: not to take care of their voice and you know, 529 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 4: it's your instrument, you know all that stuff. But we 530 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 4: you know, we probably could be better at that. 531 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean just personally. 532 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: I think it really comes through in the music though, 533 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: because like, like you guys just are your friends. You're 534 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 3: such good friends. I can hear that relationship in the performances, 535 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 3: and like, I just think it's the purest form of 536 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 3: like of music. It's this guys getting together singing. It's great. 537 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: I'm glad you see that. 538 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 4: And it's hard to find guys to BLENDND with the 539 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 4: blend is everything right, the feel and the blend, and 540 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 4: and that's why a lot of people are good groups. 541 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 4: And you might have a couple of two three lead 542 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 4: singers in a group, but when they can't sing acappella, well, 543 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 4: we didn't have any tracks or ability to create tracks 544 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: or any instruments. 545 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 2: We just had our voices. 546 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 4: So we had to really kind of figure it out 547 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 4: a whip way to make them blend really quickly. And fortunately, 548 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 4: you know Nick and Dree brothers, so they have a 549 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 4: similar tambur to their voice, and you know, Justin had 550 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 4: been working with Nick in another band, so they all 551 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 4: were familiar with themselves, and you know, it just had 552 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 4: to be be getting in there and kind of fitting 553 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 4: in when I could. We've been fortunate enough that that's 554 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 4: where we're That's probably our strongest suit is singing our 555 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 4: a cappella, but you can't put out complete albums anymore 556 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 4: acapella and actually new tracks and R and B tracks 557 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 4: don't even like you to stack stack too many harmonies anymore, 558 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 4: make it too complicated. So you know, uh, you know, 559 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 4: we that's why we like Christmas music so much, because 560 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 4: you can you can showcase everybody's voice and the dynamics 561 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 4: of a quartet or even more harmony. 562 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 3: Sometimes when you were doing those early shows, you were 563 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: playing those like cheerleader camps and stuff. What were you 564 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: singing original songs that you'd written or were you singing covers? 565 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: Where were you guys? 566 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: Well, we were doing a combination of both. 567 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 4: So we had we had our own couple originals of 568 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: our own and you know, we're probably not very good 569 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 4: that we did covers. You know, we did some Boys 570 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: to Men covers and you know, I had a song 571 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 4: we would do that sometimes and some other ones. But 572 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 4: we actually did a demo with Montel Jordan. Montel Jordan, 573 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 4: who wrote, you know, produced and was famous, most famous, 574 00:24:59,119 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: had a lot of hits. 575 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 2: But this is how we do it. 576 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: How we do it. 577 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah song And when. 578 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 4: We had gotten discovered at Avoye the Men concert, it 579 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 4: was by his road manager and wow, you know kind 580 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 4: of took us under his wing and Montel did our demo. 581 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 4: So Montel crafted like three or four songs for us 582 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 4: that never weren't out yet. So we were just basically 583 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 4: singing these new songs to girls in the crowd that 584 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 4: didn't even had never heard those before. But a couple 585 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 4: of them ended up making our first album. 586 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: Oh amazing. 587 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: And so you you just released a re recorded edition 588 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: of I Do Cherish You, ninety eighth version. I love that, 589 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 3: you know, taking ownership of the masters. 590 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 4: You know, Taylor Swift is the one that made that popular, right, 591 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 4: She had dispute with Scooter Braun and he took her masters, 592 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 4: so she re recorded her master's. But what artists don't 593 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,239 Speaker 4: know is if you're not under recording an agreement, you 594 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 4: always have the ability to do that. And we've had 595 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 4: that opportunity to do that for years. But you know, 596 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 4: people didn't understand why you would do it. Now you 597 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: do it, you know, for us of course, we want 598 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 4: to have ownership and make money from your stuff. But 599 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 4: for us, it was we'd like to own our own 600 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 4: material that. 601 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: Made us popular. 602 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 4: So we took some time to go back and re 603 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 4: record those songs, and we didn't want to record them 604 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 4: differently than what people remembered them as because that's what 605 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 4: made them successful. So it was challenging for us to 606 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: go back and try to sound like we did back 607 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 4: then and make the track sound like they did back then. 608 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: But we feel like we've. 609 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 4: Accomplished that and it just feels good to own your 610 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: own stuff, you know, control your own stuff. 611 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I imagine you know, you sing that 612 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: song at your shows like every every time, but like 613 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: getting back in the studio to record it in that setting, 614 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: was that weird at all? How did that feel? 615 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: Well? 616 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 4: It was weird because one, you know, those modules and 617 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 4: those synths and those sounds they were they came from 618 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 4: you know, physical instruments, and to go to find those 619 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 4: old things to recreate those sounds were hard to do. 620 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 4: That was a tough challenge initially because we wanted them 621 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 4: to sound identical because eventually we'd like them to replace 622 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 4: the old ones, you know, so play our versions, So 623 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 4: that was a challenge. 624 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: But to go back and sing. 625 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 4: You know, back then, we didn't use auto tune every 626 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 4: time on our voices, right, you just sometimes sing. 627 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: A little bit out of tune. 628 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 4: So early we're going, well, I got to sing a 629 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 4: little autitude here, and I gotta sing with less soulfulness here, 630 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 4: and I gotta be choppy and have less feel here. 631 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 2: And so after your years. 632 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 4: Of habitually singing the songs and flipping them your own 633 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 4: way on stage, you got to go back and go, 634 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 4: oh wow, I really did it totally different than we 635 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 4: So it was challenging, but it was really really fun too. 636 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: I never thought about that because you know, I'm think 637 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 3: abou all these artists, like we recording these songs and 638 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 3: thinking like, oh, you know, you just do it again, 639 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 3: but like there's little imperfections that you want to recreate 640 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: to make them sound is soone. 641 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: Wow, that's fascinating. Thank you for sharing that. 642 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: It was fun. Well, look, we wanted people to We 643 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: wanted them to. 644 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 4: Be so close that people won't be able to tell 645 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 4: the difference, and we feel like they're pretty they're pretty close. 646 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 4: I mean the mixes are better now because you have 647 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 4: better technology. To mix like at Most and all this other. Yeah, spatial, 648 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 4: but but we feel like we were like, let's make 649 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: them so undeniably close that, you know, people won't be 650 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 4: able to tell the difference, because that's what they fell 651 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 4: in love with. 652 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: You know, so we wanted to be true to that. 653 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 3: And I Do as part of your new album, Full 654 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: Circle come in May ninth, can you give us a 655 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 3: sneak peak of what else is on that album? 656 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 4: Well, we've got the you know what, we think still 657 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 4: are our five biggest hits, and then we recreated all 658 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 4: those Una Noce and I DO and an Invisible Man 659 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: and and you know, because of you Hardest thing. But 660 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 4: we've got five new ones that are pretty cool. They 661 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 4: kind of sound true to our sound. 662 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: You know. We went had a little bit. 663 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 4: Of a departure here and there because you start to go, oh, 664 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 4: I need to be relevant and I need to sound current. 665 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: And you know, do this and that. 666 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 4: But we decided, well, let's go back and sing songs 667 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 4: that sound like when people hear them, oh, it sounds 668 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 4: like a ninety eight degree song. So we have five 669 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 4: new ones, one of which Nick wrote with a bunch 670 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 4: of group, a group of great talented writers called Got 671 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 4: You that's also out right now and that as soon 672 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 4: as that came out and everybody said, sounds like. 673 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: A ninety eight degree song. 674 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 4: Drew pet one that's really cool called Same Mistake, and 675 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 4: it's really really it's sort of a it's sort of 676 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: a sequel to the Hardest Thing, and that's you know, 677 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 4: a couple of other ones tremble stranger things. In this 678 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 4: one we did with a Filipino artist called Mona Lisa 679 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: that our label, our label partner, Adam h Road with 680 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 4: his wife, So you know, we have we're really proud 681 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 4: of this one. 682 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: You know, I can't wait. That's May ninth, Full Circles coming. 683 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 3: Are you guys gonna you have a tour in the works. 684 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: Or you can hit the road? Yeah? 685 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: I mean usually we you know, our schedules are crazy. 686 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 4: We all do sure different things, which we're very fortunate 687 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 4: to do. So we haven't been able to do a 688 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 4: big proper tour in a long time. So when we 689 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 4: find we can do a pocket of fifteen dates or 690 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 4: twenty dates, which we've been doing in September and October 691 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 4: the last couple of years. But this year we're going 692 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 4: to kind of, you know, go overseas for a little bit. 693 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 4: We haven't been overseas to our fans there. You know, 694 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 4: we actually Canada and in Southeast Asia broke US before 695 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 4: the US, so we haven't been there in a proper 696 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 4: way in a long time. So we're gonna kind of 697 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 4: target those probably start in May, June July timeframe, and 698 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 4: then maybe in the fall come back and do some 699 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 4: US stuff, maybe a Christmas tour. You know, we're not 700 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 4: sure yet. We're kind of just feeling it out. 701 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: I love it. 702 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 2: I love it. 703 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: I can't wait. 704 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: So this is something I always ask our guests here, 705 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: and this is a this is a dumb question, but 706 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: I'm just fascinated by it. But like, is there one 707 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 3: moment that, in all of ninety eight degrees since you've 708 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: been doing this, is there a moment that, like, like 709 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 3: when you're kind of just sitting back and thinking on 710 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: your career, like, wow, that one like rises to the top. 711 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: Is there a memory you think of It's a big question. 712 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: I know, it's not a dumb question at all. We've 713 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: been blessed, man, We've had so many. 714 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I gotta say some of the stuff in 715 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 4: the beginning that was fun, right that I remember doing 716 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 4: that and going, man, that was sort of like the 717 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 4: innocent time before we came fame. 718 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: Is that grind fun? 719 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 4: But I think for me performing with Boys de Men, 720 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 4: you know, after being on a hiatus for eleven years 721 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 4: and coming back with Boys de Men and New Kids 722 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 4: on the Block, touring with our idols and legends like 723 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 4: new kids on the Block after not doing it for 724 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 4: ten years, I mean, that was pretty amazing. 725 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: It was a huge tour, you know, forty some. 726 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 4: Cities, big arenas, sixteen to twenty thousand people a night. 727 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 4: I think, you know, every night that I performed with 728 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 4: Boys de Men, I was like, man, this is like 729 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 4: a dream. I would have never if I could have 730 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 4: written this out, which I did. I wrote all my 731 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 4: goals down and fortunately all of them came true. But 732 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 4: I didn't even pennant this well, you know, I didn't 733 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 4: even think of it being this grand. So I think, 734 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 4: you know, performing every night with those guys, I literally 735 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 4: was going to my own tour with Boys. 736 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: De Men like crazy. 737 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 4: So that's probably you know, there are some you ask 738 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 4: me a different day, it's probably something else, you know, so, 739 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 4: but this that was one of the big ones. 740 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: I love. 741 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: So you actually had it yet a list of goals? 742 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 3: When need you make this list? At what point in 743 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 3: your life? 744 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: Well? 745 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: Well, I like talking about this because I think it's 746 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 4: interesting for people. It's I think people should do this 747 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 4: because it kind of it kind of sparks your mind 748 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 4: to create the opportunity for you. When my original group 749 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 4: that I was with quit and I decided to stay 750 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 4: in LA, they all went back to Ohio. 751 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: I stayed in La. 752 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 4: I you know, I was working, you know, twelve hour 753 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 4: shifts in security. 754 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: And my brother, you know, I was I was like, man, 755 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: how am I going to start a new group? But 756 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: I don't know anybody in LA And how do I 757 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: do it? 758 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 4: And my brother gave me to Tony Robbins books. One 759 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 4: was called Unlimited Power and one was called Awaken the 760 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 4: Giant Within. And I had plenty of time to write 761 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 4: my goals in the security booth at my security job 762 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 4: that I worked twelve hours, and it just said, hey, 763 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: write out your goals and make them as lofty as 764 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 4: possible and as detailed as possible. And and at first 765 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 4: it seems foolish that it's impossible, but I wrote them 766 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 4: all down in great detail. And then two years later, 767 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 4: every single one of them had come true. 768 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: Uh, and so it was. It was funny. 769 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 4: But because we were doing a still in San Diego 770 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 4: and here, you know, Tony Robbins, they knock on our 771 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 4: dressing room door. Tony Robbins wants to meet us with 772 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 4: his son, and I freaked out. 773 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, man, you're the reason. 774 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 4: You know what, Like, yeah, I know my stuff works, 775 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 4: but geez really, but you know, there's something to be 776 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 4: said about opening up your imagination, your subconscious mind, and 777 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 4: you know, being open to these things and as you 778 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 4: write them down, you start to visualize them and feel them. 779 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 4: And I know it sounds like cosmic wu stuff, but hey, 780 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 4: every single one of those weird goals came true. And 781 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 4: I had no right to really believe it at that 782 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 4: time because I had no money, I had no group, 783 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 4: and I had no immediate you know, futures or opportunity, 784 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 4: future opportunity right there in front of them. 785 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 2: So that's what happened. 786 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, everyone listening, take ray you wind that part, 787 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 3: listen to that again. That is great advice I think 788 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: for anyone who's looking to improve your life, just achieve 789 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 3: a goal. It's it's great. And look, look at works 790 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 3: for Jeff Timmons, it can work for you. Thank you 791 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 3: so much for your time today. This has been so exciting. 792 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: We're all such big fans of ninety degrees. We're so 793 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 3: excited for the new album and we can't wait to 794 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 3: hear ninety degrees reference in another TV show. So thank 795 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 3: you again, Jeff tims You're just like so much. 796 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 4: I'm flattered and honored that you had me on continued success. 797 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 4: I've noticed you've been doing a lot of great things 798 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 4: for a long time. Congrats on this pet podcast, and 799 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 4: I'm excited to see what's next for you. Thanks for 800 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 4: plugging the album and knowing a lot about our career. 801 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I sincerely appreciate. 802 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: That you're the best. Have a great one, man, Thank you. 803 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 2: Man, appreciate it. 804 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, don't forget Follow us on Instagram at I 805 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 3: Am All In podcast and email us at Gilmore at 806 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 3: iHeartRadio dot com.