1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Well that didn't go well. Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Paul calBC joins me, we get his perspective on a 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: twenty seven to nothing loss at Cleveland. Nothing went right 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: for the offense, the defense they played okay, and not 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: all that went wrong offensively falls on the shoulders of 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: quarterback Clayton Tune. Yet we are left to ask, is 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: help on the way? In other words? Is Kyler Murray 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: making his season debut? This week? It's Cardinals Cover two, 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: Episode six ninety five, and it starts now. 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: Bud to Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai Crowd, partner of 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Acycardinals 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: dot Com Slash podcasts. 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: He's at a ten half of five. He's it again. So 16 00:00:58,440 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: far Harry Magic. 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: Whoa, here's Craig Griolud. 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: So where do you want to begin, Paul? How about 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: we begin at the very beginning, because I've got to 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: know there was a little bit of a breaking news 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: during the Arizona Cardinals NFL kickoff show because I was 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: informed by our colleague Darren Norman that perhaps Danny Sirek 23 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: would be on the sideline a little bit more than 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: her typical pregame huddle routine. That was because we are 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: missing a play by play voice. 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: Okay, first off, at your show, don't ask me where 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: I want to go? Number two, where was Dave Pash 28 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 4: for the entirety of the pregame and even into the 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 4: beginning of the actual game broadcast leading up to kickoff. 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 4: Now he was there for every single play, thankfully, and 31 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 4: the Red Sea was thankful for that, no doubt. But yes, 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: he had a few travel issues, not all that easy. 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 4: In less than twenty four hours to get from Stillwater 34 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 4: for Oklahoma, Oklahoma State to Cleveland. He had to leave 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 4: that morning and there was flight delay, and if you 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 4: want a specific reason why the flight was delayed, there 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 4: was a busted bathroom a lavatory that had to be 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 4: tended to, and so he sat on the tarmac and 39 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 4: it made for a lot of drama. Then the car 40 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 4: service he had lined up apparently the dude bolted because 41 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 4: the flight was late, So then he had to take 42 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 4: an uber and then they wouldn't let him anywhere near 43 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 4: because all the exits off the freeway were jammed with 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 4: fans and then apparently he had to get through to 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: Brown Security to wave him through, so he get anywhere 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: near the perimeter of the stadium, and then he made 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 4: a mad dash for the press entrance. 48 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was segment two when typically we hear Pasch 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: and Wolf talk about the broadcast. Instead segment one, we 50 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: heard your voice coming out. But day Patch did give 51 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: a shout out to Brown Security Cardinals personnel as well 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: to get him up into the booth just in time 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: for kickoff. Though you wonder would have been better for 54 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: Dave Patch maybe for a lot of us to be 55 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: stuck on a tarmac and waiting as opposed to be 56 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: in attendance and watch what we watched, A twenty seven 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: nothing shutout loss to the Browns. 58 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was an all time struggle, There's no doubt 59 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: about it. And we didn't have great expectations, but I 60 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 4: don't think we expected that sort of futility. 61 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: Either. 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: Nothing worked, They couldn't get anything rolling. And if you 63 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 4: want more evidence that a game is won or loss 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 4: to the line of scrimmage, this was a really good 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 4: case study because the Cardinals that offensive line could not 66 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: keep the quarterback clean. They couldn't create any running lanes. 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 4: That Cleveland Brown's top ranked defense displayed exactly why it 68 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 4: was number one in so many different categories. It was 69 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 4: a dominant performance. 70 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: Number one in total yards, number one in passing yards, 71 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: number one on third down, number one opponent completion percentage. 72 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Those were the numbers for the Cleveland Browns going in 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: to Week nine. Coming out of Week nine, not only 74 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: a shutout win for the Browns, but the Cardinals fifty 75 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: eight net offensive yards, seventeen net passing yards, forty one 76 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: net rushing, fewest total yards by Cardinals team since nineteen 77 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: fifty five when the franchise Paul was still in Chicago. 78 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 4: It reminded me a lot of the era between Kurt 79 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 4: Warner and Carson Palmer, where you had some really epic 80 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 4: in net performances by offenses where the quarterback just was 81 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: not equipped. Whether it was the Max Hall days or 82 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 4: the playoff lost twenty fourteen at Carolina with Ryan Linley. 83 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: I think that's a good comparison. You brought that up 84 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 4: seventy eight total yards in that loss. That's what it 85 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 4: felt like. You know, you're going against Luke Keigley and 86 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 4: Thomas Davis in that Carolina defense in the playoffs in 87 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: a terrible weather on the road, and you just didn't 88 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 4: feel like you could move the football. And then the 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 4: first fatal mistake was enough to lose the game. And 90 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 4: when Ryan Linley threw a couple of picks to Luke 91 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 4: Keigley in that game, game over. And so in this case, 92 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: you turned the ball over. 93 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: And what was it? 94 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: They only ran five plays in Cleveland territory. 95 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: Six total back and look this morning, six total plays 96 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: run in Brown's territory and the furthest they got in 97 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: Cleveland territory was the Browns forty yard line. 98 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 4: So the moment that Deshaun Watson connected on the fifty 99 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 4: nine yard or to Amari Cooper and then later of 100 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 4: forty eight yarder, that just felt like a couple of 101 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: kill shots that you could not overcome. When they were 102 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 4: able to flip the field like that and then cash 103 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: in those deep shots, and it was remarkable watching Deshaun Watson. 104 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: He was so inaccurate, it was so ugly on the 105 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: short and intermedia passes. Then for him to throw up 106 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: those two balls that were especially that second one in 107 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: stride against double coverage where Amari Cooper had a step 108 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: once again that violates Jonathan Gannon's role. Do not let 109 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: the opponent's best player beat you, and Amari Cooper did it, 110 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 4: not to the degree of Jamar Chase did not to 111 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 4: the degree maybe a Cooper Cup did. But it was 112 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 4: enough in this game where you couldn't generate any offense. 113 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: Whether you watched it on TV or listen to the broadcast. 114 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: There were several times listening to Passion wolfully even at 115 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: halftime thirteen nothing. The offense could do nothing. At that point, 116 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals had only run two plays in Brown's territory. 117 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: Yet you're only down two scores because the defense is 118 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: keeping you in the ballgame. To your point, Deshaun Watson 119 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: wasn't doing anything. The ground game of the Browns wasn't 120 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: doing anything. The defense played okay, but well enough to 121 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: keep you in that game until that fumble. The strip 122 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: sack another turnover, and the Browns capitalize with a Deshaun 123 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: Watson to David Njoku touchdown to make it twenty to 124 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: nothing eight minutes to go in the third quarter. At 125 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: that point, okay, it's hard enough to get in the 126 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: red zone and score one touchdown. Now you need three touchdowns, 127 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: and with Clayton Tune and that offensive line, it was 128 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 1: just not gonna happen. 129 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: It's not and the team needs to believe in the quarterback. 130 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 4: Team needs to believe in the offense's ability to score, 131 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 4: and by the second half it was apparent it wasn't 132 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 4: gonna happen. Now, did the defense play flawlessly? Hey, they 133 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 4: only gave up what two point eight yards of carry 134 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: season best defensively yep to running attack the Cleveland Browns, 135 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: so that was good. But in the red zone they 136 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 4: allowed three or four to end up in the end 137 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: zone three hundred and twenty six total yards. Okay, that's respectable. 138 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 4: But again, Deshaun Watson was really off much of the game, 139 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 4: especially in those short passes. And then you had to 140 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 4: zero takeaways. And this was a Cleveland offense that had 141 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 4: given the ball away seventeen times. They led the NFL 142 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: with seventeen turnovers. You can generate a single takeaway that 143 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 4: would have gone a long way, obviously, especially against an 144 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 4: inaccurate Deshaun Watson. It was interesting. I heard a couple 145 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 4: of Cleveland sports radio guys after the game, and their 146 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 4: theory was that because all week Deshaun Watson had heard James, 147 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 4: is he gonna have enough zip on the ball? Is 148 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 4: he gonna have enough velocity on the ball? What's the shoulder? 149 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: Like? 150 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 4: A lot of speculation. Could he throw the ball outside 151 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 4: the numbers? Could he throw the ball downfield? Well, not 152 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 4: only did he answer those questions, especially in the deep shots, 153 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: but maybe he victimized himself on the short pass the game, 154 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: especially in the first half, where so many of those 155 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 4: balls were just nos dies into the turf behind a receiver, 156 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 4: because maybe he was overthrowing the ball, maybe he was 157 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: throwing fastballs when he needed a little touch, because maybe 158 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 4: he was dead set on proving everyone wrong. No, I 159 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: got the v LO on this cannon. I can still 160 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 4: throw the ball, And it might have worked to his 161 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: own detriment because he didn't have much touch on the ball, 162 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: especially those short completions. 163 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: You mentioned the two big plays by Deshaun Watson forty 164 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: nine and fifty nine yards to Amari Cooper. Okay, outside 165 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: of those two throws, Watson was seventeen of twenty eight 166 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: for one hundred and eleven yards. That's less than four 167 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: yards per passing attempt. So again, was the defense great. No, 168 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: but they were good enough. And it comes back down 169 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: to what we've been talking about now for the last 170 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: five games, including when Josh Dobbs is your quarterback, and 171 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: that is the lack of a passing game, a deep 172 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: ball threats on offense and does it all fall on 173 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: the quarterback. No, but when you are the quarterback, you're 174 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: the head of the snake. You're gonna get all of 175 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: the credit, all of the blame. And for a first 176 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: career start, it was not a good first impression by 177 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: Clayton Tune. But again, no James Connor, no Omari de Mercado, 178 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: no Michael Wilson, no Zach Ertz. Your offensive line is 179 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: playing with its third different starting left guard. Then you 180 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: lose dj Humphreys and Will Hernandez in the second half 181 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: to injuries. It was a recipe for disaster and that 182 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: is with a capital D. 183 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: And he didn't get much luck either. He didn't get 184 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson's luck when that's second to nine from the 185 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 4: eleven and he rockets a ball off the helmet of 186 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 4: Dante Stills and it ends up in the arms of 187 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 4: Amari Cooper for that eleven yard touchdown pass. So he 188 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: didn't have any luck like that or good fortune. At 189 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 4: the same time, from what I could tell, the Browns 190 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 4: were up. They were in the face of the receivers, 191 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 4: and the Cardinals knew that going in they're gonna have 192 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 4: to beat press man that Jim Schwartz was going to. 193 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,239 Speaker 4: Even though Jim Schwartz was much more aggressive and exotic 194 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 4: maybe earlier in his career, with this Browns defense, he 195 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 4: has enough talent that he doesn't always dial it up. 196 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 4: He just lets the talent went out in this game, 197 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: I think he did show quite a few different looks 198 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 4: to a rookie quarterback. Makes sense. The old kitchen sink 199 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 4: game plan, you know, let's let's do a little bit 200 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 4: of everything and make him think and when he thinks, 201 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 4: it'll slow down. And even Clayton Tune and head coach 202 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon after the game, I asked him, what do 203 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: you think your rookie quarterback learned from this game, from 204 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: this outing from his debut in a regular season game. 205 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 4: He just said, the speed of the game at times 206 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: it looked awful fast for a Clayton Tune, There's no 207 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 4: doubt about that. And to your point about the lack 208 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 4: of a downfield passing game. Again, he didn't have much time. 209 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 4: He basically was a one read guy and either he 210 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 4: got swarmed or he was looking to bolt the pocket 211 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 4: and so and a lot of that came down obviously 212 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 4: to losing the battle in the trenches, and then obviously 213 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: it only got worse once you lost to Will Hernandez 214 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 4: and then DJ Humphreys. Next gen stats, Paul Tune faced 215 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 4: a pressure rate of better than fifty six percent and 216 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 4: he was only blitzed on less than thirteen percent of 217 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 4: his dropbacks, meaning the brown we're getting home with three 218 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 4: or four and that is not good when you have 219 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: five offensive linemen sometimes a sixth if you count of. 220 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: Tight end in there. Cardinals on that offensive line were 221 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: not winning their one on one matchups. 222 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: The longest completion of the game, which was to Hollywood Brown. 223 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: Yep, fourteen yards, fourth quarter, fourth quarter. 224 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 4: That was max protect. That was a seven man protection scheme, 225 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 4: And at that moment, yeah, I think we all sort 226 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 4: of said to ourselves, Wow, maybe that should have been 227 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 4: an adjustment earlier in the game. Go max protect, because 228 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 4: once again, I don't care who the opponent or the 229 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: pass defense is, and the Browns are rated number one 230 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: in past y Hollywood Brown's been winning his matchups, so 231 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: you know whether you want to throw bracket coverage on 232 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 4: them because it's max protect and a defense, you allow 233 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 4: a defense to do that in terms of the matchups. 234 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 4: But that worked and too often. You know, Clayton Tune 235 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 4: going into this game. What'd you hear in the locker room, 236 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: Craig and you talked to a lot of guys. 237 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: I know. 238 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 4: I talked to Jonathan Ledbetter and he said on camera, 239 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: I said, what do you know about Clayton Tune going 240 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 4: into this game? Dots dots. The dude is accurate. When 241 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 4: he runs the scout team against the first team defense, 242 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 4: he's accurate. He can fit the ball into tight windows. Now, 243 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 4: the first interception, obviously he airmailed Hollywood Brown. Yeah, I 244 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 4: think he's a little amped up there. He is all 245 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: the intensity and the adrenaline flowing of his first NFL 246 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 4: regular season game. But by the fourth quarter he had 247 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 4: settled down. Maybe just a little bit that if you 248 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 4: would have gone max protect earlier in the game, maybe, 249 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 4: just maybe his accuracy would have surfaced a little bit more. 250 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 4: We'll never know. And you were banged up and by 251 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: the end of the game, Calvin Beachman was playing left tackle, 252 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 4: and you had one guy left who hadn't played at 253 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 4: all in the on that sideline, so you were in 254 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 4: a dire situation when it came to depth. 255 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: It didn't start okay for Clayton Tune. I mean, his 256 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: first pass attempt Trey McBride twelve yards. The very next play, 257 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: Keyonta Ingram an eleven yard run. But that opening drive 258 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: ends in a punt, and then from there went downhill. 259 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: So there was at least a good bit of a 260 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: good start, a decent enough start, and then you wonder, okay, 261 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: did the Browns go back and look at the film 262 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: that the pictures, this is what the Cardinals are gonna 263 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: do with the rookie quarterback. It seems very vanilla. Let's 264 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: do this and we'll see if they can adjust to 265 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: our adjustment. Because after that initial drive, Cardinals worth three 266 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: and out six times. Over their next thirteen possessions, they 267 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: had no drive longer than six total plays, no semblance 268 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: of a run game. And now all of a sudden, 269 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: you're one dimensional because you're down two or three scores, 270 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: which makes it worse for a rookie quarterback, let alone 271 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: if you had a veteran quarterback in there because you 272 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: know exactly what the Browns are gonna do it just 273 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: I We were talking with this with rough Rob Frederickson 274 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: on Cardinal Talk on Sunday because there were a lot 275 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: of fans that wanted to see Clayton Tune. They had 276 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: seen enough of Josh Dopps. They were ready to turn 277 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: the page. Okay, I get that, and okay, whether on 278 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: the road Cleveland defense, Okay, but how do you judge 279 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: what we saw out of Clayton Tune given everything that 280 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: he didn't have at his disposal as far as personnel 281 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: and the protection. Yes, a lot falls on his shoulders, 282 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: but not all of it falls on his shoulders. 283 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 4: When he's the leading rusher with twenty eight yards on 284 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 4: five carries, that's a problem. When you're three running back rotation, 285 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 4: every single running back averaged less than one yard per carry, 286 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 4: that's a problem. When the Browns defense had ten tackles 287 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 4: for loss, that just illustrates how the game was played 288 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: behind the line of scrimmage for the Cardinals offense. There 289 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 4: was too much penetration, too much dominance upfront by that 290 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: Brown's defensive line, and you got a rookie quarterback making 291 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 4: his debut. The degree of difficulty was off the charts, 292 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: there's no question about it. At the same time, how 293 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 4: much of that is on the quarterback period, whether you're 294 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 4: a rookie or not, to get rid of the ball, 295 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: to make those quick, decisive reads, find the open guy, 296 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 4: be able to go pass that first read too often 297 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 4: he looked like he was a one read guy and 298 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 4: then looked to bolt the pocket. But again, you know, 299 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 4: we cited it could have been one of two things 300 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 4: for a Clayton tune in that game. Could have been 301 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 4: Will Levis going out there making his NFL debut like 302 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 4: he did a couple of weeks ago and he had 303 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 4: four touchdown passes and no picks, or you could have 304 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 4: been the rookie he was picked one spot after Clayton 305 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 4: Tune Dorian Thompson Robinson for those same Browns, who in 306 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: Week four had three picks, four sacks, and a passer 307 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: rating of twenty five point three total yards one sixty six. 308 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: So it's one of the other. Usually, I mean, it 309 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 4: was usually a polarizing, you know effort out of a 310 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: rookie quarterback making his first ever you know, debut, and 311 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 4: you know they. I can't tell you how frustrated they 312 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: were at the offensive pass interference against Hollywood Brown. Everyone 313 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 4: saw the video. It was glaring. It was darn near criminal. 314 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 4: It was so inept that call, and that was maybe 315 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: his best pass of the game, you know, you think 316 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 4: about it, that was where he actually layered that ball 317 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: in and found Rondale Moore, and that was a chunk 318 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: throw and it would have got the Cardinals a little 319 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 4: bit of momentum and got him on the other side 320 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: of Cleveland of the fifty yard line, and it was 321 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: all wiped out and now you're behind the sticks to 322 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 4: boot and the coaching staff was furious, unlike I've seen 323 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: him to date. They were absolutely be out of their 324 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 4: minds with anger at that call, especially because it was 325 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 4: right in front of the Cardinals sideline. It was right there, 326 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 4: everyone could see it. It was a non call, there 327 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: was no infraction, so we'll see it. Obviously the Cardinals 328 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 4: are going to cement that to the league. When anything 329 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 4: happened to consequence, absolutely not, but it was vexing. It 330 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 4: was frustrating. 331 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: Middle of the second quarter at that point, Cardinals down 332 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: ten nothing, You're looking at a third and four, a 333 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: great route by Rondell Moore twenty six yards wiped out 334 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: by a Hollywood brown offensive pass interference. It was a 335 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: great route by Hollywood. He had two Browns defenders running 336 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: into each other. That was the past interference. It was 337 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: the Browns players run into each other. And yes, you 338 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: can't challenge that because it's a judgment call. But this 339 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: is another instance in which you go back into the 340 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: offseason that I in the sky, that official in the 341 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: booth where your radio down, say, you know what, pick 342 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: that flag up. That was an incorrect call. You can't 343 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: challenge it. But again Bill Belichick says, hey, let's we 344 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: need to be able to challenge everything, well, the prolonged 345 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: games or whatever. But when you have a penalty that 346 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: is that egregious that we can all see in real time, 347 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: certainly in a split second when you see that replay, Okay, 348 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: you huddle everyone up. Mistakes happen. I get it, We're 349 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: all human. Pick up the flag, let the play continue, 350 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: and you move. 351 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 4: On booth assist. The week before, Mario Demercatter perfect and 352 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 4: the perfect. Yeah thought he had a first down. Oh 353 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 4: wait a minute, they're moving the ball back half a yard. 354 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 4: Why where did that come from. Why on a delayed basis, 355 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 4: did all of a sudden you respot the football? Well, 356 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 4: the explanation to the head coach, Jonathan Gannon was Booth assist, 357 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 4: I agree with you. There needs to be more of that. 358 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 4: There needs to be When there's something egregious like that, 359 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: it needs to be few and far between. But when 360 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 4: there is something that absolutely stands out, like that bad 361 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 4: spot and went against the Cardinals, but it was the 362 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 4: correct call in this case, Yes, there needs to be 363 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 4: that official upstairs. Booth assists, Guys, you missed it, let's 364 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 4: correct it. 365 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: Get it right. 366 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 4: Nothing is as important in the NFL, in sports as 367 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 4: getting it right. It's why we have video replay and 368 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 4: other technology assisting the officials, all in the interest in 369 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 4: the name of getting it right. 370 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: Did not get right, and the Cardinals did not get 371 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: right twenty seven to nothing in the final. And now 372 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: the big question is, Paul, which I'm going to pose 373 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: to you, is okay, what happens this week? Home game 374 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: Week ten, Atlanta Falcons. The window closes on Wednesday, November eighth. 375 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray a decision needs to be made. He needs 376 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: to be added to the fifty three man roster. If not, 377 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: his season is done. Now you Adam doesn't mean he's 378 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: playing on Sunday. You can certainly make him inactive. But 379 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: here's what I'm hoping happens this week. Either Monday afternoon 380 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: at two forty five or Wednesday morning at ten am. 381 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: The next two times we hear from Jonathan Gannon, who 382 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: postgame you asked the question he was asked by reporters 383 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: in Cleveland as well, was not thinking at that moment 384 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: about Kyler Murray and whether or not to answer that question, 385 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: which I get postgame fine, But what I don't want 386 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: to have happen is what we've seen now all season long, 387 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: where we do not know. Fans deserve to know, especially 388 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: this week, especially after what happened on Sunday. Is it 389 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray or is it not Kyler Murray? Make the 390 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: decision early in the week. Don't wait this out, not 391 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: until Friday, Saturday evening. Shifter Ian Rappaport with that late 392 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: night tweet and we all find out Sunday morning. Make 393 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: that decision known either Monday or Wednesday morning. 394 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 4: Well, the old Clint eastwoodline, I forget the movie deserves 395 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: got nothing to do with it. 396 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: That is true. 397 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 4: So I don't know if we can use the word 398 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 4: deserve now. Obviously the Red Sea they've earned it, and 399 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: you know what, it would be exciting. It would be 400 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: like hitting the big red reset button. Kyler Murray's back. 401 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 4: It feels like the start of a new season. We 402 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 4: don't know that as of this recording. When will we 403 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: know that. I mean, there's no chance that he's just 404 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 4: left on pump and shut down the rest of the season, right, 405 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 4: I mean zero, He will be activated. The question is 406 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 4: will he play. I don't know the answer to that. 407 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 4: What I do know is I think we just looked 408 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 4: at a case study as to why it should happen 409 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 4: Deshaun White. And keep in mind this is in context 410 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 4: that he is fully healthy and has been cleared. And 411 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 4: that was the case with Deshaun Watson. Talked a lot 412 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 4: of the Browns folks who cover the team on a 413 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: daily basis, The team doctors cleared Deshaun Watson. It was 414 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 4: a matter of him feeling confident enough to go out 415 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: there and let it rip. So look at the Deshaun 416 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 4: Watson case study we just witnessed. He went out there, 417 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 4: was he one hundred percent no, did he have an 418 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 4: injured offensive line. Yes, early in the season, they lost 419 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 4: their all Pro tackle Jack Conklin. They had other injuries 420 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 4: during the game Jedrick Wills. 421 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: That looked bad too. 422 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 4: Dewan Jones went down, I mean his starting tackles went 423 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 4: down at different points in that game. They're missing a 424 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 4: Pro Bowl running back in Nick Chubb, just like the 425 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 4: Cardinals have been without James Connor. But you're a highly 426 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 4: highly paid franchise quarterback. If you can play, you do play, 427 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 4: and then it's your job to find a way. Was 428 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 4: it ugly at times through Deshaun Watson. 429 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely it was. 430 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 4: Did he look totally rusty at different moments, no doubt, 431 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 4: But eventually talent won out in that game, he made 432 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: plays that won the game, and the guys around him rally. 433 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 4: That's what happens when a franchise quarterback is out there. 434 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: What happened in the Chiefs win big win Frankfurt jerenemy 435 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 4: against Miami. The Dolphins decided you're not going to complete 436 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 4: a pastor Travis Kelcey basically, so Malmes went out there. 437 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: He found nine other guys involved, nine other receivers, and 438 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 4: found a way to win that game. That's what you 439 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 4: do if you're an elite quarterback, highly paid. So this 440 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 4: is that week where it would seem to make sense. 441 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 4: Kyler Murray, here you go, come on in and assume 442 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 4: the rain, especially after a game where you had fifty 443 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 4: eight total yards. Guess what, this fan base, this team 444 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: is going to appreciate you more than ever if you're 445 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 4: able to come back and rally up this team and 446 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 4: generate some offense. 447 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: Might not be deserved, but how about this fan base 448 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: needs that injection of life after six straight losses and 449 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: wondering all off season about Kyler Murray, and now you 450 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: can say, all right, he's going to play. He's going 451 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: to start. Now get over our skis and think he's 452 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: gonna go for four hundred yards and five touchdown passes 453 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: in week one. There is going to be a learning curve. 454 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: I just want that announcement either Monday or Wednesday morning, 455 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: and not being dragged like we have for the past 456 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: couple of weeks in the name of gamesmanship, which I 457 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 1: don't think exists at this point in the regular season 458 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: with some of these defenses and the defensive coordinators. 459 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 4: So what if you're starting offensive line left right's Kelvin 460 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 4: Beacham Dennis Day yelled of Froholt, Carter, O'Donnell and the 461 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 4: rookie Paris Johnson Junior. Should that make a difference? Should 462 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 4: that delay things yet another week? What if James Connor 463 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: is not able to go? What if Amar de Murcatter, 464 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 4: who didn't practice the entirety of the week leading up 465 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 4: to the Cleveland game, what is his status with a 466 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 4: toe injury? What if you're left with a running back 467 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 4: room again of Keanty Ingram, Tony Jones Junior, and who 468 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 4: am I forgetting Corey Clement, none of whom were effective 469 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 4: in that game against Cleveland? So how much does that 470 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 4: figure into the decision? Once again, to me, it shouldn't. 471 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 4: You're a franchise quarterback. You elevate everyone around you. You 472 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 4: devise a game plan that takes into consideration the talent 473 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 4: around you, and especially against the Atlanta team that isn't 474 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 4: the number one defense in the league like Cleveland. I'm 475 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 4: not sure you're gonna pick a better spot now. I 476 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 4: don't If you can't play, you should play. I don't 477 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 4: care who the opponent is, But in this case, if 478 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: you're trying to account for the opponent, well then this 479 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 4: is the week and if you. 480 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: Have to, you change things a little bit. And yeah, 481 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: we always talk about being under center, but perhaps if 482 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is not quite one hundred percent comfortable and 483 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: confident in that aspect within this offense, then okay, you 484 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: play a little bit more shotgun and you tailor to 485 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: what the quarterback does best. That's what we've heard from 486 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon Andrew Petsing when you had three four quarterbacks 487 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: in that room. We're going to tailor to what these 488 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: guys do best. And if Kyler can give you on 489 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: a ski one to ten, he's right now at a six. Okay, 490 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: well that's better than anything else you have in that 491 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: quarterback groom. And you're right, you're at level six. This 492 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: is what he's comfortable with, this is what we're comfortable with. 493 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: And then you move forward and then each week you 494 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: add to that level. 495 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 4: At some point, you only get so much out of practice, right, 496 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 4: I mean, you're wearing a non contact jersey. At some 497 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 4: point you got to rip the band aid off, you 498 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 4: got to get back into a regular season game. What 499 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 4: did Garrett Williams say he hadn't played football. 500 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 2: In a year. 501 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 4: But at some point you're not playing football in practice, 502 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 4: you're not tackling full go, so you have to go 503 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 4: in there, got to experience it, and it was a 504 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 4: wild rollercoaster ride. His debut at Seattle even included a 505 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 4: big splash play in the interception. He got a lot 506 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 4: better against Baltimore, graded out a lot higher. It's just 507 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 4: the way it goes. There's only one way to get 508 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 4: better at football, and that is to play football. And 509 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 4: anybody in that locker room will tell you you can 510 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 4: only simulate football so much, especially in the regular season. 511 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 4: And even when you are playing an exhibition game like 512 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: in August, you see how different it is for a 513 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 4: Clayton tune. So there's only one way to get better 514 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 4: at regular season football, and that is to play regular 515 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: season football. 516 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: Glad you brought up Garrett Williams as I take a 517 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: look at the final defensive stats one past defense by 518 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: the Cardinals defense, and that was by Garrett Williams, who 519 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: went to that fine institution in upstate New York. Yeah, 520 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to drop Syracuse University once again because that's 521 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: what I can do. Here on Cardinals Cover two presented 522 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: by Hundai, Pro partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Again some 523 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: flashes defensively as a whole. This was this is a 524 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: game Paul to where as Cotton Fitzsimmons, longtime Son's head 525 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 1: coach and Aaron's employee, would say, we're just gonna flush 526 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: it and not even bother and just move on to 527 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: the next game, the next practice and say, you know what, 528 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: that's behind us. We're opening up a new door. It's 529 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: a new week. What do you got here in week ten? 530 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 4: Well, Garrett Williams, you know what? On board with Garrett 531 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 4: Williams and that triangle that Nick Rollis talks about of Buddha, Baker, 532 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 4: Jalen Thompson and then the Nickel corner. Now, Garrett Williams, 533 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 4: that is something that you can definitely build around going forward. 534 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 4: There's no doubt that is definitely a foundation piece right there. 535 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 4: Although I got a lot of blowback on Cardinals Underground. 536 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 4: You've heard of the Bermuda triangle. I was trying to 537 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: nickname it the Buddha triangle, but. 538 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: Then you're singling out one of the three. 539 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 4: I know it needs some work. I'll figure it out, 540 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 4: but I like where you're going. 541 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: I like the premise. We just need to brainstorm a 542 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: little bit more off of that. 543 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 4: Here's where I'm going with this. Despite your stumping for 544 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 4: the Syracuse alum Garrett Williams, he is not winning this 545 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 4: week's Angry Bird Award. It is being given too. As 546 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 4: outstanding as I thought Buddha Baker was, he was victimized 547 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 4: part of that big deep shot towards the end right there. 548 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 4: You know, he can't play a perfect game, but he 549 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 4: stood out with ten tackles. He was flying all around 550 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 4: the field. He made some touchdown saving tackles. But you 551 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: know what I'm going with Big ninety five, Lucky FO two, 552 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 4: who had five tackles from that nose position position. He 553 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 4: had half a sack, he had two tackles for loss, 554 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 4: he had a quarterback hit. He was a problem throughout 555 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 4: that game. And that run game for the Browns that 556 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 4: came in number two overall and rushing did not wreck 557 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 4: that game. I thought Lucky FO two, with Jonathan Ledbetter 558 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: and Dante's Still's right behind him, that was really And 559 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 4: we talked to Jonathan Ledbetter after the game. He's an 560 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 4: outstanding interview and he's one of those guys who really 561 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 4: is evolving in one of the voices in that locker room. 562 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 3: But for this game. 563 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 4: This week, our Angry Bird Award winner for the most 564 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 4: talacious play or player goes to Big Lucky FO two. 565 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: I like it, and I like what that defensive line 566 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: was able to do against that Cleveland Browns rushing attack. 567 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: And then you throw in the fact that Kevin Strong 568 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: left that game for a little while, and then all 569 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have to figure out a rotation. 570 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: But Dante Still's sixth round draft pick out of West Virginia, Yes, 571 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: Ron will Flees alma mater. Here's someone second straight week 572 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: with a TfL who has seen his playtime increase. And now, 573 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, as you look ahead, whether it's 574 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: next week or next season, you found something there, I think, 575 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: and a young player who has taken advantage of the snaps, 576 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: taking at advantage of the fact that LJ. Colliers done, 577 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins is done. And it's that next man up mentality. 578 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: What do you do when you get that tap on 579 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: the shoulders? Hey kid go in there, Well, he's producing. 580 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 4: It's the opportunity that they need to really embrace. I mean, 581 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 4: think about if you played for, oh, I don't know, 582 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 4: the San Francisco forty nine ers, think of the talent 583 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 4: they have on that defensive front. Right, if you put 584 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 4: the Niners defensive front into a draft with the Cardinals 585 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 4: defensive front, how many Niners players would GMS take before 586 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 4: they took a single Cardinals player. That's how loaded the 587 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 4: forty nine ers are so at this point, guess what 588 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 4: you're looking for? Dudes that goren exceed expectations. And I 589 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 4: think these are the sort of reps especially for a 590 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 4: Dante Stills and a Lucky Foto is in a contract year. 591 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, Yep, you know this is a 592 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: critical stretch right here, and those guys keep bawling. Doesn't 593 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: matter what's on the scoreboard. Those guys keep bringing it 594 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 4: and at times the rotation gets real thin and they're 595 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 4: logging a lot of snaps and guess what time of 596 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 4: possession was lopsided thirty six to twenty four basically, so 597 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 4: there were times those guys came to the sideline and 598 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 4: they were gassed. Yet another reason why they get the 599 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 4: angry bird of. 600 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: Ward defense on the field for seventy three total snaps 601 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: and you brought it up almost thirteen more minutes on 602 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: the field and their counterparts on offense by the way 603 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: you bring up the forty nine ers, did you know 604 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: that they were big winners in the NFC West this 605 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: past week? 606 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 4: Explain that, please, they were on a bye. 607 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: They were on a buy. They did not win, but 608 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: they did not lose the rest of the division. Not 609 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: only did they lose, they did not look good. Cardinals 610 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: twenty seven to nothing, Seahawks thirty seven to three at Baltimore, 611 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: Rams twenty to three at Green Bay. So, yeah, the 612 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: forty nine ers big winners in Week nine. 613 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 4: It was remarkable after the game, We're like, oh boy, 614 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 4: Cardinals went one of twelve on third down. Guess what. 615 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 4: Seattle went one of twelve on third down against that 616 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: Baltimore defense with their starting twenty twenty two Pro Bowl 617 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 4: quarterback Geno Smith. They somehow went one for twelve on 618 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 4: third down. Wasn't no stinking rookie making his debut that 619 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 4: led to that sort of futility? So manned at Baltimore 620 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 4: whip up on the Seahawks in that game. In fact, 621 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 4: Baltimore is just and Cincinnati have feasted on the NFC 622 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 4: West this year. I know Cincinnati's four and zero against 623 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 4: the division. 624 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: By the way the Cardinals played the Ravens better than 625 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Yep, played the Ravens on Sunday, no. 626 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 4: Doubt, no doubt about it. And now you get Look, 627 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 4: you still have some games on this Cardinal schedule. You 628 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 4: still have to go on the road to Pittsburgh and 629 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 4: complete that AFC North, You still have to go to Philadelphia. 630 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: You forget about Chicago, Paul, all these nice warm weather 631 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: cities that you get to visit in the month of December. 632 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 4: I'm talking about teams instead of necessarily venues. And then 633 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 4: you have Houston in a couple of weeks. All of 634 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 4: a sudden, what CJ. Stroud did five touchdown passes. Wow, 635 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 4: that was unexpected and that is so disappointing for the 636 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 4: Cardinals when it comes to their first round draft pick. 637 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 4: What CJ. Stroud right now is doing pulling the trigger 638 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 4: for the Houston Texas. 639 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Texans are not helping the Cardinals there four 640 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: and four. They'll be or the Cardinals will be in 641 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: Houston on November nineteenth. But again this week it's Atlanta 642 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium. Two of five is the kickoff nine 643 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: point thirty. Pre game coverage begins on the Arizona Cardinals 644 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: Radio network. It has not been a good twenty four 645 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: hours for the Cardinals. But I do want to end 646 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: this on a positive note, Paul, and again give you 647 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: the shout out because you were prepared to step in 648 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: and fill the shoes a day pass, which you were 649 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: did once before earlier this season. But a lot of 650 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: inside baseball here you do. Also in addition to the 651 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: angry bird, you are in possession of another animal, and 652 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: that would be the dinosaur, which, amongst our content and 653 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: creative team has are weekly in Hose award, and you 654 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: were singled out for your work last week. 655 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 4: And now I have to pay it for Yes, you do, 656 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 4: so I have I'm t minus eleven minutes till I 657 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 4: have to figure out who gets the award. 658 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: Okay, let's hash this out. 659 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,719 Speaker 4: Do we have thirty seconds? 660 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: Sure? 661 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 4: Okay, So here, let's weigh in on this. I'm thinking 662 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 4: just between us here in the studio, thinking about Darren Urban, 663 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 4: thinking about Darren Urban. It's not easy when we have 664 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 4: a losing team to go in talk to guys on 665 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 4: the record. You still have stories to pursue, you still 666 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 4: have angles to write, and you have quotes to obtain, 667 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 4: and it's not easy. I was in that losing locker room. 668 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 4: But my interviews were on air and so those sort 669 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 4: of happened, you know, whether I wasn't going up to 670 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 4: guys lockers and as a couple of questions, you know, 671 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 4: and those are tough locker rooms. They've been ultra tough, so, 672 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 4: you know Darren, but grudgingly I'm trying to they sort 673 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 4: of like you know, the anger Bird room. I'm trying 674 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 4: to process elimination. But no, Dan, Darren's still standing at 675 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 4: the end of this one. And so you know, it 676 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 4: doesn't matter that he's done it for three decades, you 677 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 4: know what, He's still earned. 678 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that we kind of sort of kind 679 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: of sort of answer to Darren within our department. 680 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 4: I mean, is that where you're going with, say there's 681 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 4: an ulterior motive? Is that what you're saying, You're saying that, Okay, 682 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 4: I'm not only paying it forward, I'm painting it up 683 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 4: the food chat. I like that that there may be 684 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 4: is are you insinuated it's self serving? Is that what 685 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 4: you're saying? 686 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not insinuating, not basically calling you out. 687 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 4: You're accusing Okay, I got Jim oh boy. So yeah, 688 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 4: in fact, I you gotta go up there and fetch 689 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 4: that dinosaur. I don't know who came up with the dinosaur, 690 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 4: but yeah, there you go. That's that's that. That is 691 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 4: behind the scenes, pulling back the curtain. A little bity 692 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 4: got to do. 693 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: Something to further distance ourselves from what happens Sunday in Cleveland. 694 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on. 695 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: This edition of Cardinals Covered two, presented by Yundai, proud 696 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals has always special thanks to 697 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim Momandro, our associate producer Cody Fincher 698 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: from Paul CALVC, I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to 699 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.