WEBVTT - Dung Beetle Mania!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And

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<v Speaker 1>this week we were talking about a very ancient creature,

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<v Speaker 1>a creature that's that's potent with symbolism and power, and

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<v Speaker 1>then when you get down and analyze its biology, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's even more amazing. And yet somehow I have had

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible habit of not really giving these animals a

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<v Speaker 1>second glance um or any kind of a deeper look

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<v Speaker 1>in all my time just reading about stuff I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, they are potent with symbolism, and they're potent

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<v Speaker 1>with pooh in they turn to be really interesting little

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<v Speaker 1>characters who are doing a number of clever things with feces. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're of course talking about dung beetles. And really, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can take any lead in you want with these animals.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you into mummies, you into Egyptology, Dune beat? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you into poop and poop related science? Du I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that covers I think at least of the listeners right there.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're if you're not into mummies, then you're into

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<v Speaker 1>poop one of the two. Oh yeah, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the subset of this would be like you into dancing

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<v Speaker 1>on your poop beetles, Yeah, you into or maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>want a space angle. There's a space angle coming up too.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, dung beetles really have it all. And and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for not really not really giving them a,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a second look this whole time, even though

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've definitely been fascinated by a various uh

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptian topics in the past, and and you see the

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<v Speaker 1>scare of beetle everywhere, and for some reason, I never thought, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I should look into the symbolism of that scared beetle.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always more distracted by any of the other um

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<v Speaker 1>items in the rich iconography. Yeah, ancient Egyptians they really

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<v Speaker 1>exalted dung beetles because they witnessed them doing two things

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<v Speaker 1>which really captive captivated ancient Egyptian imagination, and it overlaid

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<v Speaker 1>this more sort of poetic interpretation. And of these two

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<v Speaker 1>things that they saw these dung beetles doing, first they

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<v Speaker 1>saw them rolling dung balls, right, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is very interesting, and we've all seen video of this.

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<v Speaker 1>It pops up in just about every animal documentary ever

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<v Speaker 1>because it is it's fascinating and kind of humorous to

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<v Speaker 1>watch them pedal it with their their phind legs. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And second, they observe these dung beetles dancing on top

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and they thought, maybe this is a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of worshiping of the sun. And then they put it

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<v Speaker 1>together with huh, that that dung rolling could be linked

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<v Speaker 1>with nocturnal activity of Capri, the god of the rising sun.

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<v Speaker 1>So this scare beetle god was believed to push the

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<v Speaker 1>setting sun along the sky in the same manner as

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<v Speaker 1>the beatle with his ball of dung. Alright, so they

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<v Speaker 1>saw a sort of a cosmic model and what the

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<v Speaker 1>scare beetle is doing because he already had this this idea,

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<v Speaker 1>the story of this god rolling the sun across the horizon. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they see these little guys doing it in miniature, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think, ah, Yes. And moreover, unbeknownst to ancient Egyptians,

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<v Speaker 1>larvae might be laying inside of some of those balls

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<v Speaker 1>of dung. And what would happen as they would see

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<v Speaker 1>this completely fully formed beetle emerged from the ball And

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't realize that the larvae was undergoing a complete

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<v Speaker 1>metamorphos within that ball. So again they were ascribing these

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<v Speaker 1>sort of magical qualities to this beetle and saying, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>this must be some sort of rebirth. So they sort

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<v Speaker 1>of saw this kind of a spontaneous generation kind of

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<v Speaker 1>scenario where the young were just emerging from the ball

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<v Speaker 1>of dung. Yeah, and if they began to symbolize rebirth, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this apparently becomes a prominent funerary decoration throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the New Kingdom, which went from about the fifty to

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<v Speaker 1>ten seventy b c. And during that time that you

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<v Speaker 1>see all these scare amulets placed over the heart of

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<v Speaker 1>a mummified the individual. The interesting thing about these heart

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<v Speaker 1>scared is that they were essentially kind of a magical hack,

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<v Speaker 1>like a spell, intended to just give you a little

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<v Speaker 1>leg up in the afterlife. Because we've we've discussed before,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we went into it in the problem of

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<v Speaker 1>Hell that we're talking about various models of the afterlife. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the cosmology of ancient Egypt was was really rich, and

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<v Speaker 1>they have this this really elaborate afterlife, and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>judgment that takes place where your your your soul, your

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<v Speaker 1>heart is weighed against the feather of truth. Now, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to feel pretty sure about yourself to go into

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<v Speaker 1>that that scenario and and and feel that you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna triumph. And as you as we see in

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<v Speaker 1>in all the various funerary and practices of ancient Egypt. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>those with the power to do so, we're all about

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<v Speaker 1>preparing themselves because the afterlife is going to be dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be complex. You need your un your your servants,

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<v Speaker 1>you need your goods, you need spells, you need all

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<v Speaker 1>of these things. So you're gonna so you're gonna enter

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<v Speaker 1>into your sarcophagus with his heart scared. That will serve

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<v Speaker 1>to give you just a little bit of like a

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<v Speaker 1>plus one or a plus two during that trial. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if your heart wasn't so pure, perhaps this talisman, this

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<v Speaker 1>the scaub, would help to write things when your heart

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<v Speaker 1>was weighed against this feather. Yeah, otherwise you're annihilated. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no there's no even going to to hell. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>you're just gone. Isn't there like a little animal next

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<v Speaker 1>to or a little creature next to the scale that

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<v Speaker 1>gobbles up the heart? If it if it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>worthy one. Yeah, the crocodile headed uh I believe his

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<v Speaker 1>name was I may have that wrong. My apologies to

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<v Speaker 1>the crocodile headed devour of souls if that is the case.

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<v Speaker 1>So all of that should give everybody a good idea

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<v Speaker 1>of these humble dung beetles. And even though they have

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<v Speaker 1>a rich past in ancient Egypt, to day we give

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<v Speaker 1>them nary a thought. And we should because they have

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<v Speaker 1>been rolling these dung balls for something like thirty million

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<v Speaker 1>years and um, they have been astronomers in a sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to that in a moment, but they

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty amazing. Let's look at some of their more

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<v Speaker 1>physical attributes. Yeah, and I want to add that they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're just about everywhere. You'll find dung beetles of one

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<v Speaker 1>type or another on every continent except Antarctica because obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they would have a tough time of it in Antarctica.

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<v Speaker 1>And in their use of dung, they play a vital

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<v Speaker 1>role in dealing with with our waste. They are they

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<v Speaker 1>are very important UH species, So they're not just mere

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<v Speaker 1>curios that just roll some dung around. They play an

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<v Speaker 1>important role in UH in the environment. Yeah, we'll look

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<v Speaker 1>at a specific example of that later too. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there are more than five thousand species of dung beetles,

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<v Speaker 1>and typical dung beetle appearance is a grooved shield, large

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<v Speaker 1>strong front limbs for digging and fighting, and elongated back

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<v Speaker 1>legs for holding onto dung balls while rolling them along.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got some long flying wings that are folded there

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<v Speaker 1>under hard wing covers. And some of the well known

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<v Speaker 1>families in the dung beetle super family are the stag

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<v Speaker 1>best and scab beetles. Uh. Their length can range from

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<v Speaker 1>about point zero zero four inches to two point four

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<v Speaker 1>inches and uh, they have six legs in total, usually

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<v Speaker 1>brown in color, but some of them can be brightly colored. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them are quite beautiful. In fact, the rainbow

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<v Speaker 1>scarub actually has this this ter destined look to it,

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<v Speaker 1>like a piece of jewelry. Yeah, they can be really

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous and very strong. The male Otho flags taurus can

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<v Speaker 1>pull one thousand onety one times its own body weight.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that is the equivalent of an average person pulling

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<v Speaker 1>six double decker buses full of people. Who So these

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<v Speaker 1>are powerful creatures, yeah, I mean compared to their size obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>And another interesting fact is that they are committed parents.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is rather surprising because when we when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about the insect world, um, at least if you're

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<v Speaker 1>like me, you tend to think of just um from

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<v Speaker 1>a human perspective, almost like a cruel um, just heartless scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's there's no such thing as insect politics, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>to to quote Dr Brundle, But with these particular creatures,

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<v Speaker 1>with the Dunge beagles, one or both of the parents

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<v Speaker 1>stay with the larva until they are mature, which can

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<v Speaker 1>take up to four months. And uh, yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>quite unusual in the insect world. Yeah, almost. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you can get really like, you can really project some

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<v Speaker 1>human nous onto this because it seems almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>little courting thing here. This is from the San Diego Zoo.

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<v Speaker 1>It says after a chance encounter at a dumb pet,

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<v Speaker 1>male and female rollers established a pair bond. The male

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<v Speaker 1>offers the female a giant sized brood ball of fiecies.

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<v Speaker 1>If she accepts it, they roll it away together or

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<v Speaker 1>the female rides on top of the ball. Well. They

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<v Speaker 1>It is a refreshingly sweet relationship compared to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other models of insect courtship. That come to mind

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<v Speaker 1>where everyone's getting there their head chewed off, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, torn off, yeah, um, yeah, And they'll find

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<v Speaker 1>a soft place to bury the ball before mating. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they'll care for it. It's not just a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of just pumping your larva into the belly of

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a host creature. There. There's almost again

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<v Speaker 1>to project kind of a family structure here. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>certain cephalodis miss dung beetles even made for life so beautiful. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I know what what everyone's thinking aboutre you're thinking. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't come into an episode about dung beetles to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about their family. I want to hear about the

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<v Speaker 1>consumption of pooh. How does that work? How does that

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<v Speaker 1>make sense? Right? Because it's a waste product to you

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<v Speaker 1>might easily say, this is something that another animal has

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<v Speaker 1>has sucked the life out of, and then this is

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<v Speaker 1>the husk of that of that that consumption. So so

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<v Speaker 1>what is there for a dung beetle to even consume? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a lot, just because it's just I mean what

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<v Speaker 1>the important thing to take home here is that even

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<v Speaker 1>though it is a waste product, not all of the

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<v Speaker 1>nutrients are are missing, particularly when you look at herbi wars.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean herbivar poop is going to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>consists mostly of undigestible vegetation, right, so you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of plant material there, and you have water content

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<v Speaker 1>as well, which is going to be crucial in your

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<v Speaker 1>dry environments. Now, most species subsist almost exclusively on the

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<v Speaker 1>excrement of other organisms, though they can sometimes feast on carrion,

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<v Speaker 1>leaf litter, mushrooms or decaying fruit. Right, never human flesh,

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<v Speaker 1>just straight up carnivorous scared beetles. If you saw that

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<v Speaker 1>in The Mummy the movie. Um, don't take that to

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<v Speaker 1>the bank. Yeah. Um. They can have really specific appetites

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<v Speaker 1>for poop, so you can't just assume that you put

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<v Speaker 1>a big pile of poop in front of them and

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<v Speaker 1>they'll just roll away with it and be happy with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And in Australia in seventeen seventy eight they found this

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<v Speaker 1>out the hard way, And the reason for that is

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<v Speaker 1>that they had I wor did a bunch of cows

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<v Speaker 1>and other large livestock that were not indigenous to the area,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just these things are gonna poop everywhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>they thought, well, the scare beetles, that the dung beetles

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<v Speaker 1>will take care of this, right, sure, but this the

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<v Speaker 1>dung beetles were like, no way, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>this is. It doesn't smell right to me, and they

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<v Speaker 1>basically turned their noses up at it. What happened is

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<v Speaker 1>that in that part of Australia they had a huge

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<v Speaker 1>infestation of flies and other parasites that moved in and

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<v Speaker 1>said well, I'll take it, and they ended up having

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<v Speaker 1>to import uh, dung beetles that would eat the exprement

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<v Speaker 1>of these cows and other large livestock. Well, that's just

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<v Speaker 1>another page from a familiar book. When we start messing

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<v Speaker 1>around with the ecological structure. Uh, then things are out

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<v Speaker 1>of whack. A little more cold rot water because the

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<v Speaker 1>bath is too hot, a little more hot because it's

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<v Speaker 1>too cold, and then the bath is overflowed. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>just one factory cascade. Indeed. Now they also they also

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like a certain scent profile to their dung,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of that has to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>diet of the organism. Yeah, well they like it strong, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>they do. In fact, many species of dung beetle prefer

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<v Speaker 1>omnivore dung such as human dung or or your monkey dung.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and uh, and this is actually going to be

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<v Speaker 1>more odorous dunk stinky, you're dune, Yeah, because it does

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<v Speaker 1>have that plant material and has the meat, and it

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<v Speaker 1>has all of the bacteria that is breaking it down

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<v Speaker 1>and making it very smelly. But how do we know

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<v Speaker 1>that they prefer it? Well, some very committed scientists, including

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<v Speaker 1>researcher Why Hoback, a professor at the University of Nebraska

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<v Speaker 1>A Kearney. They used these pitfall traps, large buckets buried

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<v Speaker 1>in the ground, and it contained feces from a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of different species or a dead rotting rat in the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom carrion, or the remains of dead animals can also

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<v Speaker 1>serve as a food source for dung beetles, as we

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<v Speaker 1>had said before, So the researchers wanted to compare this

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<v Speaker 1>to the dung samples, and two summers of work in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and ten two thousand eleven, the team captured

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<v Speaker 1>more than nine thousand dung beetles of fifteen different species,

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<v Speaker 1>and of the dung samples, human and chimpanzee feces, both

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<v Speaker 1>omnivores here attracted the most dung beetles. The dead rat

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<v Speaker 1>came in next, followed by pig droppings uh, then poop

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<v Speaker 1>from the carnivorous species, which included uh lion and tiger dung,

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<v Speaker 1>and then dead last herbivores, which again brings us back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Australian UH example, where we had all this

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<v Speaker 1>herbivore poop just setting around and the dungees were not

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<v Speaker 1>the right dung beetles to eat it. And in essence,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say that some of these beetles

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<v Speaker 1>are playing with their poop, but really this is a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of survival. It just looks like playing because they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do one of three things with these balls

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<v Speaker 1>of poop. They're gonna roll it, They're gonna roll it

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<v Speaker 1>into a tunnel, or they're going to dwell within it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we have the rollers, the tunnelers, and the dwellers.

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<v Speaker 1>The rollers are out there rolling this ball of of

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<v Speaker 1>excrement just across the across the ground, and those are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that we often see and these compelling nature videos.

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<v Speaker 1>The tunnelers are taking that ball of poop and they're

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<v Speaker 1>going underground with it, and then the dwellers are dwelling

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<v Speaker 1>within the poop mount Yeah, they're saying, why not. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a food source. I can live inside of

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<v Speaker 1>it nice and cool. Yeah, so we have all these

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<v Speaker 1>are dung beetles, but they found sort of different levels

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<v Speaker 1>of exploitation of this resource, the resource being poop. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and again we should mention to like, not only is

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<v Speaker 1>this a food source for them, but they can also

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<v Speaker 1>make a nest of it to transfer their eggs too.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this other sense though, they are using these

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<v Speaker 1>dung balls to cool off with, and um, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>kind of oddit for but now consider you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>species that are hanging out in substit or in Africa

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<v Speaker 1>and the desert where that that ground can get up

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty degrees celsius and get really really hot, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's lots of dung beetles competing for this dung and

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<v Speaker 1>they've got rolled as fast as they can, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>they have some really clever ways of trying to cool themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So so how did they cool themselves off in this

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<v Speaker 1>this hot environment with something that you just don't You

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<v Speaker 1>don't think of poop is having any cooling elements. If anything,

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<v Speaker 1>you think of it as being steaming and hot well

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<v Speaker 1>researchers Yoki and Smolka at All they studied how they

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<v Speaker 1>cooled themselves off, and they detailed it in the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>Dung beetles use their dung balls as a mobile thermal refuge.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is This is from the beginning of the paper,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just love it. It says quote. Using infrared

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<v Speaker 1>thermography and behavioral experiments, we show here that dung beetles

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<v Speaker 1>use their dung balls as a mobile thermal refuge onto

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<v Speaker 1>which they climbed to cool down while rolling across hot soil.

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<v Speaker 1>We further demonstrate that the hoist ball functions not only

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<v Speaker 1>as a portable platform, but also as a heat sink,

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<v Speaker 1>which effectively cools the beetle as it rolls or climbs

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<v Speaker 1>onto it. I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>deep into this study here, but I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that if you look into the study, you

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<v Speaker 1>will see where they have slipped these little socks onto

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<v Speaker 1>their feet and their hind legs um as they are

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<v Speaker 1>rolling the balls. Because they've done various things to try

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<v Speaker 1>to determine how much heat is uh entering the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of their feet and how they're cooling themselves off. But essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>as they're pressing onto that ball, which is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>cooler than the soil than they're cooling off from it,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're also doing this what looks to be a

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<v Speaker 1>dance on top of the ball. An indeed, to the uninformed,

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<v Speaker 1>I it definitely looks like they're just stopping getting on

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<v Speaker 1>topping the ball and dancing around. But but really you

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<v Speaker 1>could you you should think a bit more in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of like a sailor climbing up the rigging of a

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<v Speaker 1>ship to see what's on the horizon, because that, as

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, is key to the whole thing, because

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<v Speaker 1>when when did they actually climb a top and do

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<v Speaker 1>their dance. They do it when they're when their first

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the pile of poop, the main depositive poop. They

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<v Speaker 1>do it when they encounter an obstacle. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing it when they need to see what the

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<v Speaker 1>lay of the land is, where are they taking this ball,

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<v Speaker 1>what is their their ultimate goal with it? And they

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<v Speaker 1>are possibly doing it to cool themselves because they found

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<v Speaker 1>that um that it usually happens at the hottest point

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<v Speaker 1>during the midday heat, so they see more incidences of

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<v Speaker 1>them getting up on the ball and doing this little jig.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, some of it though, is like a little

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<v Speaker 1>lookout to see, like, who are my competitors here? He's

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<v Speaker 1>gaining on me um. But any little advantage that they

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<v Speaker 1>can get like that they cool themselves off for the

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<v Speaker 1>briefest of moments helps them when they are making this

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<v Speaker 1>trek across the soil. And by the way, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a straight line that they are rolling these balls into

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<v Speaker 1>and along the way they're often having to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>rival dung beetles fighting them for their their their precious ball,

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<v Speaker 1>which is another thing just to keep in mind about

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<v Speaker 1>their their journey. Yeah, and and again they've got to

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<v Speaker 1>stay on that street path because it turns out this

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<v Speaker 1>is very intentional to have this straight path and they

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<v Speaker 1>may actually be using the milky way to orient themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And this experiment is pretty adorable. Yeah. This one was

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<v Speaker 1>published in two thirteen in Current Biology, and it actually

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<v Speaker 1>earned a two thirteen Ignoble Prize. Which doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>it's again we've talked about the Nobel Prizes before. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that it's necessarily um useless science or that

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, you know, completely silly, But maybe it just

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<v Speaker 1>has a silly element to it, such as dung beetles

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<v Speaker 1>wearing hats. Earlier they were wearing socks in a different experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>This time they're wearing hats. Because how are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to test Uh their navigational skills are they? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>depending upon the night sky for their movements or the

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<v Speaker 1>orientation of the milky way? Uh? You have to put

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<v Speaker 1>a little hat on there, a little little visor to

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<v Speaker 1>keep them from looking up. Indeed, so what did they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They set up an outdoor circular arena full of sand,

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<v Speaker 1>and they put the dung beetles in the middle with

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<v Speaker 1>their ball of dung, and they looked at the path

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<v Speaker 1>they took to get to the edge of their arena. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>half of those dung beetles could see the starry night

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<v Speaker 1>no moon, by the way, and the other half had

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<v Speaker 1>those little hats on that you just described. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>hats only covered the dorsal eyes, the ones on the

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<v Speaker 1>top of their heads, and the ventral eyes were uncovered,

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<v Speaker 1>so they could still see that. So, of course, those

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<v Speaker 1>who are be hatted had a hard time navigating. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the stars to help them navigate. And they

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<v Speaker 1>tested this again by placing the beetles in a planetarium,

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<v Speaker 1>inside an actual planetarium. It's an actual planetarium. Is brilliant, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because they can manipulate um the planetarium. They can make

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<v Speaker 1>it completely dark, they can just have a full moon,

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<v Speaker 1>no moon, or the milky way. And they found that

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<v Speaker 1>the beatles could vigate with the stars or just with

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<v Speaker 1>a milky way, which is again a diffuse band of

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<v Speaker 1>light surrounding a density of stars. And it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>starlight that is important to them. In two thousand three,

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<v Speaker 1>researchers found that one species of dung beetle, the African

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<v Speaker 1>Scarabbas zambanius, navigates by using polarization patterns in moonlight. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was actually the first proof that any animal can

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<v Speaker 1>use polarized moonlight for orientation. Now you had mentioned the

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<v Speaker 1>competition is really fierce, and I just wanted to mention

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<v Speaker 1>that according to dung beetle expert John Freehand quote, the

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<v Speaker 1>behavior of the beatles was much misunderstood until the pioneering

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<v Speaker 1>studies of John Henri Fabre. For example, Fabre corrected the

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<v Speaker 1>myth that a dung beetle would seek aid from dung

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<v Speaker 1>beetles when confronted by obstacles. This is what was got

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<v Speaker 1>it because they probably probably observed like three or four

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<v Speaker 1>dung beetles pushing on a single ball of dung. Yeah. There,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, no one's trying to help anybody and that scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just all fighting for the resources exactly, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Freehance says by painstaking observations and experiments, Fabruree found but

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<v Speaker 1>this seeming helpers were in fact robbers awaiting an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to steal the rollers food source. Now think about this

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<v Speaker 1>next statistic. I'm talking about at one point five kilogram

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<v Speaker 1>or a three point three pound load of elephant dung

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<v Speaker 1>that gets decimated by sixteen thousand dung beetles in two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is from Dr John Capanier in his book,

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<v Speaker 1>who was describing how very efficiently these beetles will bury, eat,

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<v Speaker 1>or just roll away all the dung and just how

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<v Speaker 1>many competitors there are for it. Yeah, that's an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>stat and it really does underline their important role as

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<v Speaker 1>a recycler in the environment, especially when you have mega

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<v Speaker 1>fauna going around just completely unloading uh you know, over

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<v Speaker 1>the place. Indeed, so what does this mean. It means

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<v Speaker 1>that when it comes to uh, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>would you say, like, uh, to get in that ball,

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<v Speaker 1>to to obtaining the prize, you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>engage in a little bit of combat. Oh yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that. What keeps coming to mind for me when

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<v Speaker 1>we keep talking about this, I keep thinking about mad Max,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the road wire, where the commodity that everyone's arrestient

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<v Speaker 1>is gasoline, and so everyone's after the gasoline and all

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<v Speaker 1>these souped up vehicles with spikes on the front and

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<v Speaker 1>gatling guns and grappling hooks and what have you, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're just roaring across this desert environment. And I see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of that in the scare of beetle. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a precious commodity at hand. There's a lot of competition

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<v Speaker 1>for that commodity, and in order to to obtain it,

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<v Speaker 1>to defend it, and to actually do something with it,

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<v Speaker 1>you've you've got a arm up, you do. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is where it becomes so important. This uh you know again,

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty million year odyssey with poop for for dung

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:08.040
<v Speaker 1>beetles that they actually evolve horns to compete dung. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Nicola Watson and Lee Simmons of the University of Western

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<v Speaker 1>Australian Perth. What did they do to find out how

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<v Speaker 1>important horns are. Well, they pitted female dung beetles Alpha

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<v Speaker 1>fascists Sagittarius against each other in a race for dung,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were matched for body size. They're all in

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<v Speaker 1>the same weight bracket. I suppose um females with bigger

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<v Speaker 1>horns managed to collect more dung and provide, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>better for their offspring. And they publish their findings in

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<v Speaker 1>the March two thousand and ten edition of the Proceedings

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<v Speaker 1>of the Royal Society. So again here you have this idea. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you if you've evolved to have the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest um pair of these horns, then perhaps you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be much better fit to fight off your competitors

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<v Speaker 1>and provide for your family. The other interesting thing about

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<v Speaker 1>the horns, and this with this particular species from this study,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the female has a central horn arrangement like

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<v Speaker 1>a rhino. And again they're they're much larger, uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the male has like smaller kind of side by

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<v Speaker 1>side devil horn scenario going on. So it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>to simply a matter of oh, well, you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>one minute. One side of the species has small horns,

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<v Speaker 1>in otherlane has big ones. It's like it's a different arrangement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a different morphology that has has emerged in the

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<v Speaker 1>males versus the females with with with a different purpose

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<v Speaker 1>in mind. Yeah, and even the tunnelers will have different

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<v Speaker 1>horns than the non tunnelers. And it made me think

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<v Speaker 1>about the antlers episode when we were talking about deer

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<v Speaker 1>and different species having different lengths and different ways to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of tangle with them. Yeah. I was actually reading

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<v Speaker 1>through a Douglas J. Inland's excellent book Animal Weapons, which

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<v Speaker 1>is all about the evolution of of things such as

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<v Speaker 1>horns and antlers and other defensive mechanisms and this sort

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>of the arms race of evolution. Uh. And he pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out that species that fight one on one and often

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<v Speaker 1>have elaborate horns, and species that fight in chaotic scrambles

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<v Speaker 1>do not. So in the dung beetles, for instance, that

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<v Speaker 1>dunge bill is out there on that that ball of excrement.

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<v Speaker 1>Having to fight three or four at once, you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>a less impressive display. But if it's one on one,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in a tunnel, that's where you'll see really crazy arrangements.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh in one says burrows are probably the most widespread

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<v Speaker 1>ecological situation leading to the evolution of extreme weapons. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and this is because the tunnels are localized, they're readily

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<v Speaker 1>defendable and uh and and indeed some of these, uh

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<v Speaker 1>these arrangements are just really intense because you can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that that tunnel environment, it's all about front loading your

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<v Speaker 1>your weaponry and and defending the entrance at all costs. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and that makes sense. You're gonna respond to it in

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<v Speaker 1>a certain way, or I would say that biology and

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<v Speaker 1>nature is going to respond to it in a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just even thinking back to the episode

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<v Speaker 1>on Left Handed People, and we were talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>castle in Scotland, in which that I believe it was

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<v Speaker 1>the generations of uh of it was its soldiers there

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<v Speaker 1>who were defending the castle. They were left handed, and

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<v Speaker 1>they had built the castle specifically so that they would

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<v Speaker 1>have the advantage when they came around the corners. So

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<v Speaker 1>about the tunnel, So in that same sense, here you see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a kind of evolution or adaptation to try

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<v Speaker 1>to be as effective as you possibly can. And in

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, another thing to keep in mind about

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<v Speaker 1>that commodity, that precious commodity of dung, is that it

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<v Speaker 1>loses its um its power quickly. So any time that

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<v Speaker 1>the dung beetles are having to just pounce on it,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to they have to take advantage of it

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<v Speaker 1>quickly because it's going to lose its potency, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to lose its its value. And that's another reason why

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<v Speaker 1>the elephant dun disappears so quickly, because there's a there's

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<v Speaker 1>a half life on this stuff. Indeed, um why there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a Disney pick? So are film all this? I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't know. Yeah, it seems like there's plenty there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just they're they're they're already a little more

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<v Speaker 1>comfy and a little more relatable as organisms do to

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 1>their they're sort of family structure, if you will. They

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<v Speaker 1>have this very animated thing that they do, pushing this

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<v Speaker 1>ball around or living in tunnels. They're they're elaborate looking.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a rich mythology associated with them. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>you could just go wild. Yeah, and they're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>romantic and star guard write. You've got the astronomy going exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>They're looking up at the heavens and experiments they're wearing

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<v Speaker 1>socks and hats. I mean, really, what more could you

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<v Speaker 1>ask for? Yeah? Done, Beatles life. That's what we need,

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