1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the Herd. 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 4: It's a lovely Wednesday in Los Angeles. 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 3: That's right. 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 4: It's me Jason MacIntyre coming out of the bullpen to 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 4: fill in for the injured, struggling Colin Coward. 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: He's down for the count with some sort of cough 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 3: sneeze flu deal. 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 4: You know, hey, listen, when the weather church cold in Chicago, 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 4: it's tough. You gotta get a jacket. I guess Colin's 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 4: gonna have to buy one now. He'll be back tomorrow, 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 4: he promises. You got eleven hours sleep. And you know, 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 4: things line up perfectly because I get to fill in. 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 3: And you know, I'm talking about the. 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 4: New York Football Jets for three straight hours. Joined today 22 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 4: by the Great Rachel Nichols. Rachel not as excited about 23 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 4: the Jets as I am, but it is James. 24 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 3: The big, big night today in Los Angeles. 25 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 4: Obviously, the Lakers hosting Victor Webbin Yama. Rachel will be there. 26 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 4: I'm efforting tickets as we speak, but we'll hopefully have 27 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 4: a great night. But Rachel, we got to start with 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 4: the NFL. And as a long suffering Jets fan, don't 29 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 4: ask me how I got into being a Jets fan. 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: I was born in New York, family moved to DC, 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: and I decided I don't want to root for these 32 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 4: Washington at the time, Redskins. Let me go to my 33 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 4: hometown Routs, the New York Jets and folks, it's been 34 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 4: a long time since we've had anything to cheer about. 35 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 4: And then on NFL trade deadline Day, it becomes basically 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: the greatest day in franchise history for anyone under the 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 4: age of fifty. Obviously, you know the Jets one with 38 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 4: Joe Namath the way back in the day. Colin loves 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: to reference those days. 40 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know them there to me, so 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: as a. 42 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 4: Jets fan, the reason I'm celebrating is the trades. You know, 43 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 4: it wasn't working with the defensive strategy, as is often 44 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 4: the case in the NFL. We'll talk about that later 45 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: with a couple of great guests, but they're going offense 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 4: and they have moved off Sauce Gardner, the great cornerback 47 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 4: who was an All Pro in his first two seasons, 48 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 4: and Quinn Williams he shipped to Dallas. Folks, it is 49 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 4: a celebratory day if you're a Jets fan. This season's 50 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 4: gonna be tough. I saw one of these who won 51 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 4: the trades. The twenty twenty five Jets are listed as losers. 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: They're gonna stink this season. We're one and seven. 53 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: Yes, I could say we and maybe we win a 54 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 4: couple games, but it's not about this year. 55 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: It's for the future, because, folks, we rich. 56 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 4: We got a war chest of picks in the next 57 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 4: two drafts. 58 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: Okay, we got two. 59 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 4: First rounders and a second in twenty twenty six, and 60 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: look at that twenty twenty seven. I mean they're loaded 61 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 4: three first round picks. Now, I know you guys are 62 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 4: all over draft boards like I am. Yeah, you know 63 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 4: what they're saying. Twenty twenty six straft. 64 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: It's fine, it's good. 65 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 4: Twenty seven maybe the greatest NFL draft ever, headlined by 66 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 4: obviously the great mister Smith at Ohio State, and who knows, 67 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: maybe Archie Manning is a superstar at that point. But 68 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 4: to recap the trades, the teardown, Oh wait, it's not 69 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 4: a teardown. Let's go to Jets GM Darren Mooji. 70 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 5: I wouldn't call it a teardown. And the goal is 71 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 5: always to win. 72 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 6: Look, these coaches and players work too hard every day, 73 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 6: all day with the goal of winning on Sunday, and 74 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 6: that never changes because that's what the fans deserve, that's 75 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 6: what the players are, that's what the coaches are, and 76 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 6: that never changes. 77 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 4: Well said, I learned out who Darren Muji was basically yesterday. 78 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 4: He's been anonymous, hasn't been in the role that long. 79 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: But I don't want to look too much at the past. Okay, 80 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: you know, as my son likes to say, trust Dad, Trust, 81 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: I'm trusting in the Jets future. Guys. The past is 82 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 4: a place of reference, not residents. You don't want to 83 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: live in the past. You can reference it, and I'm 84 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: gonna do that right now. I'm gonna bring up a 85 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: certain Detroit Lions team that you know, not too long ago, 86 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: had a terrible run. Then they trade for Jared Goff 87 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 4: fixed the offensive line, and they start to figure things out, 88 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 4: and they hire a gentleman by the name of Dan Campbell. 89 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: Dan Campbell will kind of rough around the edges. Had 90 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: to develop a culture in Detroit. These things aren't built overnight. 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 4: And if you remember, in twenty twenty two, the Lions 92 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 4: start one to six and everybody's scoffing at Campbell. I 93 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 4: may have been in that group. And then they turn 94 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 4: things around and they end up nine to eight. And 95 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 4: in the twenty twenty three draft, the Detroit Lions had 96 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 4: four picks in the first forty five. Four in the 97 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: first forty five off a nine and eight season. Folks, 98 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 4: they hit a grand Slam home run in that twenty 99 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 4: twenty three draft, Jamiir Gibbs, who people were like, hey, 100 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 4: well Jamir running back that early? 101 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. 102 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: Then they got the kid Campbell, the linebacker. Come on, 103 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 4: these are not premium positions, Detroit, what are you doing. 104 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 4: And then in the second round, this is when they 105 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 4: made too great picks. Sam Laporte, the tight end who's 106 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: playing in an all Pro level, and Brian Branch who 107 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: wasn't All Pro last season. 108 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: Four picks, four major hits. 109 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 4: They made the jump to light speed the next season 110 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 4: twelve and five, last year fifteen and two. You can 111 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: turn things around quickly with the right draft picks. And 112 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 4: I can already hear you shouting at your radio or 113 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 4: your TV, Jay Mack, come on, the Jets don't have anything. Actually, 114 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: the infrastructure is kind of sort of there. We're just 115 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 4: not seeing the results yet. And oh, by the way, 116 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 4: you guys know, Aaron Glenn came from Detroit, right he 117 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: was on that Dan Campbell's staff saw what Dan Campbell 118 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 4: instilled as a culture. It takes some time. These things 119 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: must bake. You've got to give them time. And I 120 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: hope that the Jets give Aaron Glenn time because frankly, 121 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: I don't know if they're going to go and take 122 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 4: Fernando Mendoza, the kid out of Indiana with the number 123 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 4: one pick. By the way, I love Fernando Mendoza. I 124 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 4: learn more about him on his linked in page than 125 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 4: I did his IG. Yeah, I want my quarterback who's 126 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 4: updating his LinkedIn page. 127 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: He already graduated from business school. 128 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 4: He's getting a second master's in business at Indiana. 129 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, he's one of the Heisman favorites. 130 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 4: I mean, this guy's a genius, a six foot five 131 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 4: quarterback winning from the pocket, had multiple offensive coordinators. Listen, 132 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 4: I'm starting to buy into Fernando Mendoza. But here's the 133 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 4: beauty of having options like the Jets have. If he's 134 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 4: not your guy, and you realize it, we like him, 135 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 4: we don't love him. 136 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: Huh. 137 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 4: Is it possible that maybe we go with the Giants strategy. 138 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: We get a defensive player early, and at the end 139 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 4: of the first round we find a quarterback. 140 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: It's looking good for Jackson Dart in New York. 141 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 7: All right, let's. 142 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 4: Pivot to one of the teams that traded with the 143 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 4: Jets yesterday, and that's the Dallas Cowboys, led by their 144 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 4: carnival barker of an owner Jerry Jones. Guys, I know 145 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 4: a lot of cowboys. They are long suffering like the Jets. 146 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 4: I mean, they haven't been to do it. NFC championship, 147 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 4: longest drought in the NFC. It's bad, it's bleak. But oh, 148 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 4: by the way, some people in Dallas are applauding Jerry's 149 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 4: move yesterday to grab Quinny Williams from my Jets. Me 150 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 4: in the morning meeting, I'm catching strays all over the place. 151 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: These guys are like, I like what Dallas did, I 152 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 4: like what Jerry did. Really, you guys like Jerry Jones saying, yeah, 153 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 4: we got Micah Parsons, who, by the way, two years 154 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: ago was a like the focal point of an incredible 155 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: defense that went fourth in the league. 156 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. 157 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 4: In Mike McCarthy's great twelve twelve win season two years ago, 158 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: the Dallas defense, led by Micaeh was fourth in the league. 159 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: But last year Dak gets hurt. The backup quarterbacks can't 160 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: do anything. The defense crumbles, suffers injuries, and they're terrible. 161 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: So let's move off Michael. Let's not pay him nine 162 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: games into the season. Oh my gosh, defense is a 163 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 4: tire fire. Let's go get Quinn Williams. What are we doing? 164 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 4: Here's Jerry Jones on making it up on the fly 165 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 4: on the radio yesterday. 166 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 8: I don't have time personally to have a bad time. 167 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 8: It's not on my schedule, and so I have a 168 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 8: natural urgency because of my age, and so tomorrow's the immediate. 169 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 8: Tomorrow are a big thing to me. And I also 170 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 8: have enough discipline not to get in trouble for years 171 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 8: to come. 172 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Cowboys fans, are you following? I mean, 173 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 4: you got whiplash a listening to your owners last GM 174 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 4: and be following all these moves. And here's the crazy part. 175 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 4: If you look intotality at the Micah deal and. 176 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 3: The Quinn Williams deal, that they didn't. 177 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 4: Get that much for Michaeh Parsons, who's basically had one 178 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 4: of the best runs of any defensive player in the 179 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 4: of the NFL. 180 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: That ain't hyperbole. Those are facts. 181 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: I mean, go look at what Micah Parsons has done 182 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: in his career. 183 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: He's been unbelievable. I love Quinn Williams. I hiped the 184 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: hell out of him when he was with my Jets. 185 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 4: Well, now that they've traded him, I'm ready to be 186 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 4: objective and say, oh, he's had a really good career 187 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 4: six seasons, one zero pro. He's the elite at his position. Well, 188 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 4: he's certainly not top five. He's been great against the run, 189 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: and that's what Dallas wants him to do. Find Okay, great, 190 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 4: I don't know how that helps your secondary and ninety 191 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 4: two million dollar man, mister Bland, who's still on his 192 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: rear end after getting cooked by Marvin Harrison, Monday night. 193 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, this Dallas defense is a laughing stock 194 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 4: and Jerry Jones is just making it up on the fly. 195 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 4: I mean, forget about plans. If you're not planning, you know, 196 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 4: what are you doing? And then you hear the owners 197 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 4: saying that's not on my timeline. We had to turn 198 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 4: it around real quick. I don't I know that everybody 199 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 4: was excited about Dallas at times this season, and I've 200 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 4: taken the bait. 201 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I fell for it. 202 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 4: You know, when they were able to put up forty 203 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: on the Packers and look good, it's like, oh, maybe 204 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 4: there's something here. 205 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: But then you drill down. 206 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: A little bit, like, oh, defense got destroyed by Caleb 207 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 4: Williams and they just got dog walk by Jacoby Brissett. 208 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 3: Did you see that stat? 209 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 5: Guys? 210 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 4: The Arizona Cardinals were the only team in the league 211 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: not to have a drive over seventy four yards in 212 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 4: the season. 213 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett had two of those. 214 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 4: Back to back for touchdowns against Dallas Monday night. Like 215 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 4: at that point, I'm sure Jerry sees it. It's like, oh, 216 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 4: we got to overpay for Quinn Williams. Let's remember by 217 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: the way. As an aside on the Jets, Apparently Mouji 218 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 4: wasn't making calls for quinnin and sauce, he's fielding calls. 219 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 4: So Jerry reactionary as ever to his defense, getting embarrassed 220 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 4: by Jacoby Brissett says, oh, man, we gotta go get 221 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: Quentin Williams. Like that's not how you want to operate. 222 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: What are we doing? 223 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 4: Like something wacky happens this next month, Like, oh, we 224 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 4: got to apply it to next offseason. Like it's just 225 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 4: not how you're They're not a serious football program right now. 226 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: I mean they haven't been for years. 227 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: I just cannot fathom how Dallas fans are dealing with this. 228 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 4: I'm all excited because the Jets have moved off players. Meanwhile, 229 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: Jerry Jones is tinkering, thinking, oh, we got something, have 230 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 4: you I don't know if we can call up the 231 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 4: Dallas schedule here, but have you guys seen what they've 232 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 4: got coming up? This idea that Quinn's gonna help them 233 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 4: to the playoffs is laughable. They got a three game 234 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 4: stretch here Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, and by the way, the 235 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 4: Vikings and Chargers are not Chop Liver. So this team's 236 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 4: not going to the playoffs this year, and if you 237 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 4: want to sell me on, hey, Jay, I think it's 238 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 4: probably for next year. Okay, that's not a bad idea. 239 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 4: Can I ask you what are you doing with Pickens 240 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 4: on the outside? He's in a contract year. Are you 241 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 4: suddenly paying him big money to be you? The t 242 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 4: Higgins to Lamb's Jamar Chase? 243 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: Is that what we're doing? So we're going to become 244 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: Bengals NFC, because that's what it feels like. 245 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 4: I just feel like there's no plan in place. Planning 246 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 4: is invaluable, and I don't think Jerry does that. It 247 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 4: feels to me like he's making it. 248 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: Up on the fly. 249 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: So I know, I've opened the show with a lot 250 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 4: of positivity followed by some negativity. We'll do plenty of positive. 251 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: Rachel's here, obviously, and we are excited. 252 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: Rachel. I am just curious before we go to break here. 253 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 4: Jerry Jones reactionary, Hey, we need to do this now, 254 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 4: not on my timeline. You hear that as a Cowboys fan, 255 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 4: and I know you're a Washington fan, I'm excited. 256 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 7: Do not call me a Cowboys fan, come. 257 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 4: On, yeah, But as a Washington fig you hear that, 258 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 4: You're like, oh, heck, yeah, I love this. 259 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 7: I mean, look, what did Jerry say that he's old? 260 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 9: So you know his timeline is not necessarily the Cowboys timeline. 261 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 9: I saw this as a trade for next year. Honestly, 262 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 9: the Cowboys have issues in their secondary. This is not 263 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 9: going to fix everything, but it will set them more 264 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 9: on the right track than they currently are. 265 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 7: So that's okay. 266 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: I enjoy the six wins this year. Seven Maybe Cowboys 267 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: fans all right? 268 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 4: Coming up next, did an AFC team miss their win? 269 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: Do they make a mistake not making a move. 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Check us out 283 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 10: on YouTube and subscribe. 284 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 3: Back here on the Herd. 285 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 4: Got some great guests coming up, Joe Klatt Top Next Hour. 286 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: Cannot wait to talk to them about all the quarterbacks 287 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 4: the Jets will be sifting through to find. Hopefully they're 288 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 4: hidden gem in the draft, folks. That's why I'm optimistic. 289 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 3: It's fun. 290 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 4: Like there's optimism right see, Rakes are laughing over there, like, yeah, listen, 291 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: I'm giddy. It feels like Christmas and I'm like eleven 292 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 4: years old and there's presence everywhere. It's like, yes, what's 293 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: in there? 294 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 7: I just love that there is no story you cannot 295 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 7: tie to the Jets. 296 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, And I know the Jets are like 297 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: a no fly zone because they stink and nobody cares. 298 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 3: But when you're passionate about something, hey, let's rock with it. 299 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: Let me quickly talk about the Indiana Indianapolis Colts because 300 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 4: they're kind of all in you guys. 301 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: I like to play poker. 302 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 4: Occasionally, you know, you think you can bluff your way 303 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 4: to a big haul, or maybe you just are, like 304 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 4: you know what, I'm sick of this on bored. I'm 305 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 4: going home, just a friendly poker game. 306 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 3: I'm going all in. 307 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: The smart people and the smart poker players, and the 308 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: smart NFL teams usually draft and developed and maybe supplement 309 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: a little bit through free agency and trades. Right, draft 310 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: and develop is a way to go. And if you 311 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 4: looked at the deadline yesterday, a lot of the content 312 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 4: the major contenders did nothing, and you're like, oh, that's 313 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 4: that's kind of interesting. But you have a team like 314 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 4: the Colts taking a big swing. And I had a 315 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 4: Colt buddy who texted me and was like, this is 316 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 4: so out of character for Ballard. He basically has drafted 317 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 4: and developed with the Colts. He hasn't done much of Hey, 318 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 4: let's make a big, huge swing, give up draft picks. 319 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: And so I'm like, what do you think this is about? Now? 320 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: One of the guys on staff has tried to talk 321 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: me into this topic, not really talk me into, but 322 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 4: he's brought it up. And it's interesting talked about all 323 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 4: my podcasting with others. The Colt's new owner is now 324 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 4: like on the sideline wearing a headset, taking notes and 325 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 4: she's not saying much. 326 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: She's just very involved. 327 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 4: And I've workshopped a couple ideas about what's going on 328 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: because the indie media hasn't really gotten much out of her. 329 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 4: She did have some great quotes recently, but it's like, hmm, 330 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 4: I wonder is Chris Baller saying, damn, we got one 331 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 4: playoff win in the. 332 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 3: Last ten years. 333 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones is playing out kicking his coverage here, he's 334 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 4: playing way above his above the rim. He's doing awesome. Hell, 335 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 4: Ravens don't look formidable. They add the Lamar injury chiefs? 336 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 4: Are they dominant? J Max out here on TV saying 337 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 4: they're not going to the playoffs? Bills shucks, they got 338 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 4: smacked by the Falcons? 339 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: Is this our year? Can we pull this off? Should 340 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: we go all in? 341 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 4: And it's a fascinating question, you guys know, because a 342 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 4: part of an ownership group of a soccer team in 343 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 4: the top Mexican league, I love team building and moving 344 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 4: the chess pieces around and it's not easy. And you 345 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 4: see the Colts and I just want was this interrational 346 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 4: move by them? Or does this make them legit contenders? 347 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 4: Because I'm gonna be honest with you. If you go 348 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: by Vegas and you say, who are the Colts playing 349 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 4: in the playoffs? Are they're playing the Chiefs, they're going 350 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 4: to be underdogs, even if they're at home. Oh, the 351 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 4: Culture playing the Bills, they're going to be underdogs. What 352 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 4: about the Ravens. Yeah, same deal. And by that metric, 353 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: it's like, should you have gone all in? Because let's 354 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 4: be real, this Daniel Jones deal one year, fourteen million dollars. 355 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 5: You guys, remember what. 356 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 4: Happened with Daniel Jones had success in New York. He 357 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 4: wasn't even this good in New York, but they got 358 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 4: to the playoffs. He didn't make a lot of mistakes 359 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 4: and they beat the Vikings. Then he wanted to contract 360 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: negotiations and he said he wanted all the money. The 361 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: stories about what was going on at that table pretty legendary. 362 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: And guess what. The Giants bent over backwards. They gave 363 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 3: it to him within about a couple months. Oh what 364 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: did we do? We can't afford Saquon? 365 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 4: And then Daniel takes the field and the next season 366 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: they were terrible and it's like goodbye, couldn't run him 367 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 4: out of town quick enough. 368 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 3: So I know he's had. 369 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 4: A rejuvenated season, if you will, But what if this 370 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 4: is eight weeks of fools, gold and what we just 371 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 4: saw against Pittsburgh is probably closer to the real Danny Dimes. 372 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 4: By the way, how about the name change he went 373 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 4: from Danny Dimes. I started calling him Danny loose change, and. 374 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 3: Now he is. 375 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: He has rebranded in India as Indiana Jones. 376 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: Okay, and we'll see how that works out. 377 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 4: So I like sauce Gardner. I think he's gonna fit 378 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 4: in Captain Lew's defensive scheme, heavy zone. I mean, with 379 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 4: his length and instincts. I mean, Sauce Gardner is gonna 380 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 4: do well. But as I alluded to yesterday, like they're 381 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 4: gonna be facing the Bills in the playoffs, so is 382 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 4: he like, Hey, we're gonna erase this side of the field, 383 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 4: all right. I mean, Bill's got great tight ends underneath 384 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 4: slot receiver, Like there's nobody you need to remove from 385 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 4: from the Bills. Same year with the Ravens, the Chiefs, 386 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 4: A Forge she Rice. But I don't know that he's 387 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 4: a one yet. 388 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 3: Guys. 389 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 4: He's a one on my fantasy team, that's for sure. 390 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 4: But I just have some questions about the Colts. I 391 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 4: do applaud them. We're close, we're going all in. I 392 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 4: do I respect that remember the Jets see Rachel's He's right, 393 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring it back. 394 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 3: To the Jets. If they were close, they go all in, 395 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, I didn't. 396 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 4: I wanted something else, but when they did go all in, 397 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: I supported it. 398 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 3: Then Rogers gets hurt. 399 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: It ends quickly, but I ultimately do not believe this 400 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 4: will lead to much for the Colts. And now you're 401 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 4: gonna have to probably overpay Daniel Jones. He's not gonna 402 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 4: want some bargain basement twenty five thirty million dollar a 403 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 4: year deal. He's gonna say, listen, I was one of 404 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: the best quarterbacks you've had in the last decade, says 405 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 4: Andrew luck Left. What else you got, you gonna go get. 406 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: Kyler Marine now, Shane. 407 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 4: Here's Shane Steichen, by the way, on the radio this 408 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 4: morning on the Indianapolis trade. 409 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 12: Obviously, I'm really excited about adding Sauce Gardner to our 410 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 12: football team. You know, his resume speaks for itself, pro bowler, 411 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 12: all pro. So to get a guy into the building 412 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 12: like that, it just elevates everybody around us. So really 413 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 12: excited to add him to the fold. 414 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 4: By the way, Gardner was all Pro the first two 415 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 4: years last year he struggled. You could argue that they 416 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 4: were inking ship. He was unhappy this year when targeted. 417 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 4: He's got a passer rating allowed of one to eighteen. 418 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: Not great. 419 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 4: Now again, you could argue sinking ship. Jet steak Kee 420 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: was checked out. Okay, I'll buy that, but good luck 421 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 4: with that, Colts. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. 422 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 5: No, no, no, turn on the news. 423 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: This is the herd Line. 424 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 9: News, Jason. This isn't a jet story, So I'm sorry 425 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 9: about that. JJ McCarthy stepped in against the Lions. He 426 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 9: was sidelined, remember with that ankle injury for five weeks. 427 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 7: He looked the part. 428 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 9: McCarthy accounted for three total touchdowns helped Minnesota stop a 429 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 9: two game losing streak. But here's the spice. After the game, 430 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 9: JJ posted this on his Instagram with the caption quote 431 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 9: kneecaps are intact, which seems to be a shot at 432 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 9: Dan Campbell's famous biting the kneecaps quote. 433 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 7: Right, remember that? 434 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 435 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 9: I guess we should also note that JJ blew out 436 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 9: his knee and his rookie years, so you know, the 437 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 9: could maybe make the case it was about that, but 438 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 9: I gotta personally, I think this is. 439 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 7: A shot at Campbell. What do you expect to see 440 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 7: from McCarthy in the Viking series? 441 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: I kind of like that. Yeah, Rachel's weird. 442 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 4: He's had three starts, and we're supposed to like render 443 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: a verdict if he can't play, or he can't play, 444 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 4: we need to let it bake just a little, right. 445 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 4: I mean, they got a tough one this weekend against 446 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 4: the Ravens. They're at home and I'm seeing Baltimore's favor 447 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 4: by four in Minnesota. Ravens defense isn't great. Do you 448 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 4: think McCarthy is the guy there or do we just 449 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: we don't know it. 450 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 7: I think he could be could be great. 451 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: I mean, Harball loves him. 452 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think they're gonna be fine with jj McCaw. 453 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's going to duplicate Donald's numbers 454 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: from last year. 455 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, especially Donald's having success. 456 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: Let's crushing it in Seattle. 457 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 9: You tough to live up to, all right, Let's talk 458 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 9: a little Warriors. Jimmy Butler left yesterday's win against the 459 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 9: Suns with lower back soreness. Now, Butler came into that 460 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 9: game questionable. He ended up playing, but then he tweaked 461 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 9: his back during the game didn't return after halftime. Jimmy 462 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 9: is currently considered questionable again for the Warriors game tonight 463 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 9: against Sacramento. Meanwhile, Jason Draymond Green is unlikely to pay 464 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 9: on the second night of a back to back. Steph 465 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 9: Curry has already been ruled out with illness. 466 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 7: Maybe maybe the same thing Colin has. I don't know, 467 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 7: maybe they've been hanging out together. 468 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 5: I don't know. 469 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 7: I can say. 470 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 9: Look, it's obviously early, but the Warriors sit in sixth 471 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 9: right now in the West. 472 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 7: Do you have concerns? 473 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 9: I mean, this is a much older roster and we're 474 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 9: already seeing, oh they have to sit out after a 475 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 9: back to back or some injuries that kind of thing. 476 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 7: I mean a back injury. That's an old man injury obviously. 477 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 10: Yeah. 478 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I Where do you stand on this whole sitting 479 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: out on back to backs? 480 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: Because they had Austin Reeves and Luca do it with 481 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 4: the Lakers, They're not at. 482 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: The same age as Steph Curry and Draymond. 483 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 4: Ree I have no problem with this, and I know, 484 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 4: like a lot of people are like. 485 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: Oh, you got to play. 486 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan's out here talking about you got to play 487 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 4: eighty two games, Like that's dumb. I want to see 488 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 4: Steph Curry playing meaningful games. Sorry, not November fifth against 489 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 4: the Sacramento Kings. 490 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: On a back to back. 491 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, and you know they purposely sometimes are like, oh, 492 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 9: it's a back to back. 493 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 7: And it's against the Sacramento Kings. We're going to dray 494 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 7: Ron take a seat. 495 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 9: I'm okay with it because you want a guy as 496 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 9: close to one hundred percent as you can get every 497 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 9: time he's out on the floor. 498 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 7: And if you feel like. 499 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 9: Back to backs put him into some sort of risk 500 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 9: because of his age, because of you know, injuries, because 501 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 9: of anything, don't do it. 502 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 7: It's not worth it. 503 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 5: It's not worth. 504 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 7: Missing the guy missing the next month or two. 505 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. I only watch a little Warriors. 506 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 4: I'm more interested in, like, you know, Lakers, Rockets, a 507 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: couple other teams. 508 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 3: But what have you seen every time I look at 509 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: the box score, they're playing. 510 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 4: Like twelve guys. They're playing so many they're lessening the 511 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 4: minutes for Curry. It feels like good strategy. Dahn from 512 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 4: Steve Kirk. 513 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, I absolutely think so. Look, he knows they're an 514 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 9: older team. Yeah, they want to make a long playoff run. 515 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 9: Steph Curry's window is closing. This is sort of the 516 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 9: last ride with Butler, with these other guys. 517 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 7: And he wants to make it all count. 518 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 9: And he's getting more production from a lot of these 519 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 9: guys than he did last season. And look, Jimmy Butler, 520 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 9: he might be sitting out tonight with a back injury, 521 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 9: but he's there's been thirty one regular season games since 522 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 9: he got there. He's played in thirty of them. So 523 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 9: we maybe are talking about old man injuries. 524 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 4: But I listened to a record good with Butler, Curry, Yeah, 525 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 4: with the whole group. 526 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, let's move over to Cooper Flag, oh boy, 527 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 9: with the MAVs. You know, Cooper is still finding his 528 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 9: way in the league. The Mavericks are off to a 529 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 9: rough start. Kevin Durant, though, after a recent game, said 530 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 9: don't worry. The future is still bright for the rookie. 531 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 7: Take a listen. 532 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 13: I just think it's always good for young players to 533 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 13: just be thrown into the fire. 534 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 5: Just go play. 535 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 4: Oh. 536 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 13: Jake is an incredible coach that knows the game inside 537 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 13: out as a player and as a coach, So you know, 538 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 13: no matter what position here, I think He's just a 539 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 13: basketball player. 540 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 5: He's only going to get better. 541 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 9: Kadi went on to say that he really feels for 542 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 9: Cooper Jason because Cooper's playing at guard after spending his 543 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 9: whole time prior to that at forward. Remember k D 544 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 9: came into the league in college, he played the four 545 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 9: of the five, and then he came into the NBA 546 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 9: into two, So he knows that that's a real adjustment. 547 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 7: You've been hiring Cooper Flag. What do you think of 548 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 7: all this? 549 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 4: It's the narrative, and I try not to pay too 550 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 4: much attention to what else is going on in the media. 551 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's impossible with social media. The narrative is Cooper Flag, 552 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 4: ain't it? 553 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 3: Oh this Jason? You said, this guy's gonna be all NBA. 554 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 3: He's nothing. We don't want. How old is he? 555 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 7: Rachel eighteen? 556 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: He's eighteen years old? What are we doing? 557 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 4: He's got the worst plus minus since I think since 558 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 4: Lebron as a rookie when he was eighteen or maybe 559 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 4: he was nineteen. 560 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 7: How did that work out? 561 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 3: It's gonna be fine. 562 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 4: I think the bigger story is what's going on with 563 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 4: Anthony Davis. I mean, like Cooper Flag is gonna be okay, 564 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 4: ad Nico Harrison, where's my guy, super Max Christy? 565 00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: What's he doing? 566 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 4: I mean, Rachel, if I'm Cooper Flag, I'm begging Kyrie 567 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: to come back. But it sounds like I think you 568 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 4: said he's like this hope that. Oh Kyrie's killing in practicing. Yeah, 569 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: it's not like he's coming back. 570 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: In a month or two or three. 571 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 7: No, no, no, end of the season. Maybe not at all 572 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 7: this season. 573 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 9: And remember Nico, when he made the trade, the Luca trade, 574 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 9: he put the Mavericks on a much tighter timeline, right, So, 575 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 9: trading for a player in Anthony Davis who is six 576 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 9: years older than Luca, he said he thinks the championship 577 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 9: window was in the next three years after the Luca trade. 578 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 9: That's part of this pressure on Cooper Flag, right, because 579 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 9: if you feel like these seasons are dwindling down when 580 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 9: you have promised to deliver a title. Yeah, I mean 581 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 9: you gotta stick Cooper at guard because he is the 582 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 9: best playmaker that you have out there right now with 583 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 9: everyone else injured. 584 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 7: It's not necessarily what's best for Cooper. 585 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: Those are rough stats you see on the screen, thirty 586 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 4: eight percent shooting, thirty percent for three, but he's an 587 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 4: eighteen year old rookie, and their best well I guess their. 588 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: Best players ad are Kyrie. I don't know. 589 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 4: But bottom line is two of their best three players 590 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 4: are out like you can't. 591 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: Expect much from him. 592 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 4: I think Cooper Flag is gonna be fine. 593 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 3: I wonder if Nico Harrison is gonna be fine. But 594 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: we will see the other time for another day. All right, 595 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: read with the news. 596 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 597 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. 598 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 8: All right. 599 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 3: Coming up next, we're gonna go to Vegas. 600 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 4: Details on did any of these NFL moves move the 601 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 4: needle on Super Bowl contenders? 602 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: We'll talk about that next. 603 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 604 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 2: and Noon Easter not a em Pacific. 605 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: Back here on the Herd. 606 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 4: Yes, we are gonna talk a little bit of NFL here, 607 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: but I'm gonna wedge in some college football because our 608 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 4: next guest he knows the sport very well. Let's bring 609 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 4: in Chris Felika from Fox Big Noon Kickoff, the Bare 610 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 4: Bet Podcast and most importantly, a long suffering Jets fan 611 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 4: just like myself. We got to talk about. Listen, there's 612 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 4: a lot of fans out there, Chris, who don't get 613 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: what it's like to be a Jets fan. I mean, 614 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 4: Packers fans have no clue. You've had three quarterbacks in 615 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 4: the last forty years. I mean New England Patriots. You know, 616 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 4: the lose Brady and then oh you stumble into Drake May. 617 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 4: I'm just telling you, life is the Jets fan stakes. 618 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 4: But Chris, is this the greatest day in franchise history 619 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 4: over the last fifty years? 620 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 11: It's pretty optimistic. The one thing I worry about is 621 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 11: that weren't we kind of here in twenty twenty three? 622 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 11: All We're gonna have what seven top seven first pick, 623 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 11: seven picks the first two rounds in twenty next two years. 624 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 5: But it's like, didn't we pick Gary. 625 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 11: Wilson and Sauce Gardner and Jermaine Johnson in the top 626 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 11: twenty whatever it was in twenty twenty three and here 627 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 11: we are starting all over again. But I do think 628 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 11: it does feel a little bit different this time. It 629 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 11: does feel like they are committed to the tear it 630 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 11: all down and build it back up. I think the 631 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 11: good thing about the twenty twenty six draft is that 632 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 11: I wouldn't feel obligated to go take one of those quarterbacks. 633 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 11: I think if you wait until twenty twenty seven, I 634 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 11: think there's a chance that the guys available on that 635 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 11: draft might be better. But the fact that you're picking 636 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 11: up a late first round pick, if you want to 637 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 11: take a chance on one of those guys in locking 638 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 11: a contract, sure, but I still think the avenue is 639 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 11: a crew assets, a crew offensive lineman, defensive lineman, lineby 640 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 11: real impact. 641 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 5: Position players and go for that. But yeah, but you're right. 642 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 11: Remember when Brownie Nagel was the saver for the Jets 643 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 11: and to j Any Testaverdy, We're going to the super 644 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 11: Bowl after losing at Denver, and midway through the first 645 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 11: quarter talls that year he's in seasons over. 646 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: You're right. They did do that in the draft a 647 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: few years ago, twenty two. 648 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 5: I believe. 649 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 3: Here's the interesting thing. 650 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 4: In two thousand, in Aaron Rodgers first year Chris, their 651 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 4: win total was nine and a half, the defense was 652 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 4: I think third in the league. They were all set, 653 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 4: and then Rogers gets hurt. They finished seven to ten. Otherwise, 654 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 4: I don't know, are they a ten win team? Remember 655 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 4: Rogers four years ago it was thought to be good. 656 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 11: I was all in that year, and I can remember 657 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 11: sending Bob was Shoes in the voice of the Jets 658 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 11: and a couple of other Jets fan Zamata like I 659 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 11: am far too confident in August and like we know 660 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 11: how this is going to end. And it lasted all 661 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 11: of what three plays, But you're right that year it 662 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 11: was lined up. They were good, they were legit good. 663 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 11: And maybe it would have worked that because they were 664 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 11: putting all put their trips in the middle of the 665 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 11: table for Aaron, and who knows what would have happened, 666 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 11: But we'll see what happens. The good thing is that 667 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 11: Aaron Glenn has been through this in Detroit, so we 668 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 11: know is what it looks like. And there are obviously 669 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 11: people who may not think that Aaron Glenn should be 670 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 11: the long term solution to a head coach based on what 671 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 11: we've seen this year. But I think also the kind 672 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 11: of the sidebar to what we've seen from the left 673 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 11: problem from yesterday is that they're committed to Aaron Glenn 674 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 11: for much more than this year and next year. 675 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 5: If they're banking on picks in twenty six to twenty. 676 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 3: Seven, maybe he's Dan Campbell in three years. I don't 677 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: know very easily. 678 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, as we transition to college football, let me ask 679 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 4: specifically about a quarterback to Jets could target, and that 680 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 4: is mister Mendoza at Indiana. I was on his LinkedIn 681 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 4: page this morning because he has a robust LinkedIn page. 682 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 4: This guy's already got a business school graduate. He's twenty 683 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 4: two years old. I think he's just hearted twenty two. 684 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking about a very intelligent, smart quarterback 685 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 4: who I think has had four different offensive coordinators since 686 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 4: he's been in college football. He sounds the part. He 687 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,239 Speaker 4: is super impressive on paper, you've seen him up close. Well, 688 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 4: your thoughts on Indiana's quarterback. 689 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 11: I think he's very good. I would if I am 690 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 11: the Jets. I am not taking him at the top 691 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 11: of the draft one, two, or three. I don't claim 692 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 11: to know everything about the quarterback position, but my co 693 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 11: host Jef Schwartz on Barbat's podcast has kind of really watched. 694 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 5: Him a bit, being an Oregon guy and really breaking 695 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 5: down that game. 696 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 11: He's kind of said that a lot of Mendoza's throws 697 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 11: are kind of outside the hashes, outside middle of the field, 698 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 11: and that down the field, middle of the field kind 699 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 11: of throw like he doesn't have that in his arsenal 700 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 11: yet or he hasn't shown it, so I'd be a 701 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 11: little hesitant in. 702 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 5: Taking him him that high. 703 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 11: I think this is going to be a great year 704 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 11: for a team maybe like the Titans, who doesn't need 705 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 11: a quarterback at the top of the draft to maybe 706 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 11: try and get when these guys are try to be taken. 707 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 5: But I think if you're looking at Indiana. 708 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 11: College football wise, it just kind of feels like it's 709 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 11: building up towards the end of the year. Winner take 710 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 11: all and Indy number one, Ohio State number two. Indiana 711 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 11: winner gets the number one overall seed. Win winners right 712 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 11: number one winner gets the undefeated season winner gets a 713 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 11: Big Ten title and win, or whether it's Julian San 714 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 11: or for Nanda Mendoza, they get the Isis of Trophy. 715 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 4: Hmm. 716 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: I like that. 717 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 4: Take Indiana at Penn State. I believe this weekend line's 718 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 4: creeping up. I was going to be that hero and 719 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 4: come out here and be like, hey, you got to 720 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 4: take the points with the Nipny Lions a letdown spot 721 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 4: Mendoza and Indiana number two in the rankings. 722 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: Mendoza being the number one pick to. 723 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 4: The Jets do they lose focus going into Beaver Stadium. 724 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 11: I have a hard time seeing Penn State score points. 725 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 11: I took Penn State plus the twenty and a half 726 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 11: last week, got the first and goal, but ultimately I 727 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 11: don't know. 728 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 5: How Penn State scores. 729 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 11: I think last week was a perfect example of a 730 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 11: team that you've got a defense that can play ball 731 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 11: and keep you in it for so long and then 732 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 11: finally when the dam breaks, there's really nothing you can do. 733 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 11: And I feel that's kind of the same way this 734 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 11: week's game will go. 735 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 5: I think Penn State will hang in. 736 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 11: There for a while, but ultimately I think the one 737 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 11: thing I will say, though, if Sarat is hurt and 738 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 11: the linebacker is hurt and they don't play, that could 739 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 11: change things a little bit. But I just don't think 740 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 11: that Penn State's going to be able to score on 741 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 11: all the points. But your point, your bigger point, is 742 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 11: well taken because back in the four team era, obviously 743 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 11: only have one year of the twelve team eight era. 744 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 11: In the four team era, you used to see when 745 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 11: teams ranked three, four or five, six, seven, like they 746 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 11: were in the mix and they kind of knew where 747 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 11: they were. And the pressure now was on them, like 748 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 11: the realization like, oh my god, we're in the playoff 749 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 11: right now, we control our own destiny. I can remember 750 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 11: a year in Texas, A and M was ranked I 751 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 11: think fourth in the first playoff ranking. They went to 752 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 11: Mississippi States. I got a two touchdown favor and got 753 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 11: beat by two touchdowns. So a lot of times when 754 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 11: these sea teams see where they are and they see 755 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 11: the pressure and they see the realization, it kind of 756 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 11: gets to them, and if they haven't been down that 757 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 11: road before, they don't necessarily always respond the best way. 758 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've had a great season college football gambling, and 759 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 4: you got to you can never overlook the look ahead spot. 760 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 3: You know they got Wisconsin next week, Indiana. I'm not 761 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 3: a big one. I'm gonna have joking. Let's quickly go 762 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 3: to the SEC real quick. 763 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 4: The one complaint is there's too many SEC teams in 764 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 4: this first college football release. Would you agree or disagreement? 765 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 4: I think I saw eight in the top twenty in 766 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 4: terms of rankings. 767 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 3: SEC's got a lot of good, but maybe not any great. 768 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 11: I think here's the thing that I think people have 769 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 11: a problem with, and they can't put the two thoughts 770 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 11: in their head and have them like standalone. The following 771 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 11: can be true. Both can be true. The Big Ten 772 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 11: has three of the best five six teams in the 773 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 11: country with Ohio State, Indiana, and Oregon, but the bottom 774 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 11: of Big ten is terrible. The SEC may not have 775 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 11: an Ohio State or an Oregon or in Indiana, but 776 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 11: from one to nine, it's. 777 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 5: Not even close. 778 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 11: So I have no problem with the SEC having a 779 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 11: long list of teams in the ranking. 780 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 5: I think it's right. I think it's fair. 781 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 11: I put out some numbers this week about how in 782 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 11: conference play, the number of conference games that winning to 783 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 11: it with like a two touchdown favorite or a double 784 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 11: digit favorite with the SEC Big ten, like, it's not 785 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 11: even close. And again it could just be a yearly 786 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 11: cyclical thing. But at the same time, if you're looking 787 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 11: at like number one or number ten in the Big 788 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 11: Ten being like UCLA and number ten in the SEC 789 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 11: being LSU, like, it's like a different it's a different sport. 790 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 11: But I think in the Big Ten situation this year, 791 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 11: it's a little unfortunate because Penn State collapsed and bottomed out. 792 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 11: Illinois was a team people who were banking on. They 793 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 11: weren't necessarily it, but they have a chance here. You 794 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 11: look at the where the committee put some of these 795 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 11: Big ten teams at the bottom, Iowa, USC, Michigan, like 796 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 11: Oregon kind of holds the key here to whether the 797 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 11: Big ten potentially could get that fourth bit in Because 798 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 11: the USC can go to Eugene and win, that gives 799 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 11: them a big win. If Iowa gets a win this week, 800 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 11: that's a massive win. Q dub can beat Oregon in Seattle, 801 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 11: like Oregon is kind of sitting there in the top 802 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 11: ten right now. Was like the like the big shiny 803 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 11: object in the sky for all these teams in the 804 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 11: Big ten that are ranked in the playoff rankings that 805 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 11: potentially could get that quality win to catapult them into 806 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 11: the top twelve. 807 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 4: You mentioned the whole I'm just gonna put it out 808 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 4: there is the line still six at home against Oregon 809 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 4: because that's a sneaky, dangerous game for the US. 810 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 11: Is the one thing I would caution people about here 811 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 11: is if you go back and look at the games 812 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 11: Dan Lanning has lost at Oregon, a majority of them 813 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 11: have been to a team which could throw the ball there. 814 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 11: They've allowed like three hundred yards passing through the air, 815 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 11: fifteen to sixteen touchdown passes in the seven losses like 816 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 11: ten yards in attempt. Iowa is not a team that 817 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 11: is going to throw the ball up and down the 818 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 11: field on Oregon. 819 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 5: It's going to have to be. 820 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 11: They're gonna have to basically what Indiana did the Indiana 821 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 11: Indiana game, close game, ugly it up, try and control 822 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 11: the line of scrimmage, force Mendoza to short froze, and 823 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 11: not really give them the big play. I have a 824 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 11: hard time seeing Oregon go in here and as Look, 825 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 11: everybody's popular underdog this week has been Iowa, So I 826 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 11: think that plays into Oregon's hands a little bit. I 827 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 11: would be surprised if Oregon went in here and lost. 828 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 11: I think their defense show up. I think it's a 829 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 11: lower scoring game. I don't know if I want to 830 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 11: lay the six six and a half. I think the 831 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 11: Iowa team total under sixteen and a half under seventeen 832 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 11: might be the better way to play this game. 833 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 4: All Right, we're contractually obligated to talk about Arch Manning 834 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 4: because he had one good game. I think every TV 835 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 4: radio show podcast has to talk about Arch again in 836 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 4: reference to the NFL. Hey, hey, maybe this is his 837 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 4: Joe Burrow first year at LSU and next year he's 838 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 4: going to phote seventy five touchdown passes. But in all 839 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 4: serious is some Texas fans are unhappy with their college 840 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 4: football ranking. 841 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 3: I will just point out they go ahead, they shouldn't be. 842 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 11: I think Texas is in in nine and three. I 843 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 11: think where they are the committee. But people can have 844 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 11: whatever paint of the committee you want. 845 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,919 Speaker 5: And they did it right? Did they do it wrong? 846 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 11: Texas at eleven ahead of Oklahoma is where. 847 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 5: They should be. Okay, you look at Texas. 848 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 11: If they go nine and three, that means either they 849 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 11: win at Georgia or they beat potentially. 850 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 5: An undefeated Tos A and M. They are getting a 851 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 5: ton of credit. 852 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 11: And look, this is what we all talked about with 853 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 11: the expanded college football Playoff. You should get credit for 854 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 11: scheduling non conference games. Ohio State's clearly getting credit for 855 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 11: scheduling Texas. That's probably the difference as to why they're 856 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 11: number one. Texas, I think, is getting credit for scheduling 857 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 11: Ohio State. You look at they've got to win over 858 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 11: Oklahoma already, They've got to win over Vanderbilde. They add 859 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,919 Speaker 11: a win over Georgia or Texas, A and M. Nine 860 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 11: to three with a top ten schedule in the country 861 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 11: and a power rating through the roof and strength the record. 862 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 11: I think at nine and three, Texas is super live 863 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 11: to make the playoffs. 864 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 4: We got one minute left last one, So let me 865 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 4: to that Texas point. 866 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to be real. 867 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 4: The College Football Playoff is a TV show. We know 868 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 4: that will Texas get a bump and get the edge 869 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 4: over someone else because of Arch Manning and what he 870 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 4: brings to the table, because we saw the TV rating 871 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 4: for Ohio State Texas. 872 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 11: I don't think that really comes into play with anybody 873 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 11: in this election room. There really is no affiliation with 874 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 11: an ESPN, ABC programmer in the in the selection room 875 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 11: right there. I think that's a little overblown. I get 876 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 11: it how fans would think that Texas Notre Dame Miami, 877 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 11: those brands kind of should be in. 878 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 5: But look what happened last year. 879 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 11: Samu got in the playoff, Indiana got in the playoff 880 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 11: over at Alabama or a little miss. So I think 881 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 11: it's a fun thing to talk about, but. 882 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 5: I don't think it exists. 883 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 4: I would keep an eye on that. I like that 884 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 4: as a talking point. Chris Filika bear Bets Podcast Big 885 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 4: nowon kickoff. Keep crushing her, buddy. 886 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 5: We will be good, Bud. 887 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 4: Thanks Chris Filika, good stuff. You know, Rachel, that arch 888 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 4: banning things interesting. We say that that doesn't matter what. 889 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 4: We just saw the World Series with the Dodgers the 890 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 4: last two years, like people love stars. If you're in 891 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 4: that college football room and you've got the choice of 892 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 4: arch banning versus I don't know. Another team from the 893 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 4: big tener SEC. I think they're going to get a bump. 894 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 9: Not because they've I think the ratings will be better, 895 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 9: but they're a little you know, influenced. 896 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 3: By back a bright coming up next. 897 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 4: One big move that an NFC team did not make, 898 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 4: and it saved their season.