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Speaker 1: Janeru Besteen, my great and good friend, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show. Hope you had the weekend. Hope things are

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Speaker 2: more could you need? But it was a good weekend,

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Speaker 2: A good weekend, nonetheless, saw family and friends, went and

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Speaker 2: watched some basketball on Friday afternoon and actually kind of

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Speaker 2: helped me with this idea for this show. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how much you want to get into it, Tie,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get into that. I'm going to tee

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Speaker 1: you up here in a second to unveil the concept

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Speaker 1: for today's episode, which I am very excited about. It

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Speaker 1: cuts a little too close to the bone. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Now is the time of year to put it out

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Speaker 1: Verbal dot com. So you said you watch a little

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Speaker 1: basketball I did two Thursdays are always made for upsets.

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Speaker 1: But March Madness is now in full swing. We did

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Speaker 1: see a number of good upsets this weekend. I believe

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Speaker 1: as a really interesting precursor to today's episode concept. I

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much?

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Speaker 2: But if you're able to confront that heartbreak from this

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Speaker 2: Analyze them as if they were you know, you're going

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Speaker 1: How about that better help. I don't believe is a

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Speaker 2: So ultimately, there weren't stakes that made or broke Indiana's season.

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Speaker 1: But you can I know not Dylanman. It was a

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Speaker 1: That game against Oregon was the one that broke Penn

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Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I think this is the true Wigham.

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Speaker 2: I think it's an in retrospect full Wigham because of

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Speaker 2: because that was the end, right, that was the end

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, yeah, by the way, Penn

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Speaker 1: We're the big one. You could argue that's why they

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Speaker 1: He wasn't as successful as people wanted. I'm sure himself

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Speaker 2: The only the only thing that's missing from that specific

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Speaker 2: not a ton of bad blood there, you know, you

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Speaker 2: We're gonna mention when we can. This is an easy transition,

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I digress. Do you want to talk about the

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Speaker 2: And there have been much lower moments. Like I looked back,

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Speaker 2: Soon, man, But this is a thing when like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: We've had what four years the backyard brawl at this point,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And also I believe there was a moment earlier

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Speaker 1: The final was thirty one to twenty four West Virginia

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Speaker 2: Fourteen penalties for one hundred and eighteen yards for the

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Speaker 2: Pit Panthers in a losing efforts. That's another rough way.

434
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Speaker 2: Another rough element of going full Wigham is you're just

435
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna put yourself in danger time.

436
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Speaker 1: I'm in danger. That's okay. Where are we going next?

437
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: You tell me? Okay? I mean, do you have? Is

438
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: your do you have?

439
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: Have you already established your number one most heartbreaking moment,

440
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: lost situation?

441
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: Whatever are we get to go there? Number one for

442
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: me was just Penn State in general. Like those two

443
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: Penn State games, there was enough heartbreak in one or

444
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Speaker 1: the other, I think to warrant as number one.

445
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: So you're going personal with this and I how can

446
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: College football is the most personal experience of all.

447
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: So absolutely there is a Texas A and M Notre

448
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: Dame game that we can talk about now. If we

449
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about that one.

450
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we can stick with early on in the season.

451
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 2: My most heartbreaking moment comes basically at the end of

452
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: the year. So it's up to you which direction we go.

453
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: You want to stay early, let's.

454
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Speaker 1: Talk about Notre Dame losing by one point at home

455
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 1: to Texas A and m Yes, a couple things were

456
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: going on if you remember the context here. The first

457
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: thing was Chris Ash took over at the start of

458
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: the year as defensive coordinator, and it didn't feel as if,

459
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: at least not against Miami, and for most of the

460
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: game against Texas AM, it didn't feel like he had

461
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: a great handle on things. I'm pretty sure a week

462
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: or two after this game, I was out there tweeting

463
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: fire Chris Ash because the offense was playing okay, but

464
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: the defense it just took a while for this thing

465
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: to sort of work itself out. This is a game

466
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: where they just could not stop Texas A and M.

467
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop them, and so your final here was

468
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: forty one to forty. But the key moment that ended

469
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: up essentially giving the game to Texas A and M.

470
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: Giving the game, not earning the game, giving them an

471
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to win this game, and I'm just being silly

472
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 1: continue was a fumbled snap on a routine extra point

473
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: by a former Notre Dame quarterback and Tyler Buckner. Yeah,

474
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: I went back. I rewatched it today. It was a

475
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: perfect snap. He just dropped it. He just screwed it up.

476
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Speaker 1: So Jeremiah Love scores go ahead touchdown. About two minutes

477
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: and fifty three seconds left, it feels as though things

478
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: are very much trending in the direction of Notre Dame.

479
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: They're about to go up forty one to thirty four.

480
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: In that moment in reality, botchhold. Tyler Buckner rolls out

481
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Speaker 1: to his left, tries to make something happen, tries to

482
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Speaker 1: throw it into the end zone. Former quarterback wasn't able

483
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Speaker 1: to convert. Suddenly they're only up six, they're up forty

484
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: five thirty four. Texas A and M gets the ball back.

485
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: Marcel Reid went off in this game. Marcel Reid goes

486
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: off in this game, leads a game winning drive. What

487
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 1: was it thirteen seconds left on fourth and goal, they

488
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: kicked the extra point, they end up winning it. So

489
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: that was a bit of a death blow for Notre

490
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: Dame season. I guess we know now in retrospec because

491
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: it dropped him to zero.

492
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: To two ultimately really big time stakes. Yeah yeah, So.

493
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Speaker 1: The lasting image of Tyler Buckner dropping that snap giving

494
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 1: Texas A and M an opportunity to win with an

495
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: extra point, I that to me was big time heartbreak. Again,

496
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: if I want to go personal with this now, was

497
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: that the sole reason they lost. No, the main reason

498
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: they lost is because the defense couldn't stop A and M.

499
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: And it was very good in this game, so it

500
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Speaker 1: can't It's probably not fair to put it at all

501
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: on Tyler Buckner, but that moment was very symbolic in

502
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: more ways than one and definitely had huge ramifications for

503
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: Notre Dame season. I think we realized that in retrospect,

504
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: if they hadn't lost this game to A and M,

505
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: they would have been in the playoffs. It wouldn't have

506
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: mattered about that Miami loss. They beat A and M.

507
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: They're eleven to one, They're going to the playoffs.

508
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so the crazy catch at the end of the

509
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: game for the what guess essentially the game winning touchdown

510
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: is Nate bor Kircher. I forget how he pronounces bor Kirker,

511
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: bor perch or whatever, the number two tight end. He

512
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: did end up having a couple more touchdowns this year,

513
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: but in that moment, it was like.

514
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: They never passed to this guy. It was the only

515
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: target that he had all.

516
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: Game, right, and I think it was at Mario Kraber,

517
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: who was lighting them up killed him.

518
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went off.

519
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: And I went into that game thinking text A and

520
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: M had a disadvantage at receiver because of how good

521
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: Notre Dame secondary looked like they would be all season long.

522
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: This is obviously in the early in the year before

523
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: Notre Dame had a chance to adjust and get their

524
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: defense right, as they did do against let's be honest,

525
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 2: less competition, when than what they had early on in

526
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: the season against Miami and Texts A and M. The

527
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: other thing which I think you neglected to point out,

528
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: and I think this sort of is a case for

529
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: it being extra heartbreaking. It's a it's an opportunity for

530
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: you to be especially personal and petty as a Notre

531
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: Dame fan, because.

532
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Speaker 1: Every Notre Dame fan.

533
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, as a Notre Dame fan would point out,

534
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: a proper Notre Dame fan would point out, is it

535
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: wasn't just holding. It was a full on tackle. It

536
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: was a really bad miss call. It was a bad

537
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: miss call, and they happen all game long. And if

538
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna sort of adjudicate, is that the right word?

539
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: If you're going to prosecute every single holding opportunity, the

540
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: game would never go on, right, you'd have a flag

541
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: on every play, but.

542
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be doing.

543
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: Uh, your you wouldn't be, you know, being a proper

544
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: You wouldn't be acting as a proper Notre Dame fan

545
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: if you, you know, didn't point out that. It's especially

546
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: heartbreaking when you go back and watch the slow MOE

547
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: replay of that moment and what it included.

548
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't a hold. It was a

549
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: two point takedown is what that was. It was a

550
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: really bad miscall and it should have been called and

551
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't. And you know, with honestly the way that

552
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: their pass defense had played that game, Marcel Reid threw

553
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: four three hundred and sixty yards, right, he pretty much

554
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: had his pick of the litter every time he would

555
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: snap the ball and drop back. I mean, guys were

556
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: running wide open all game along, so there's no guarantee

557
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: that even if you push them back into the ten

558
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: yards that they still don't score with the way the

559
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: pass defense was playing. But that aside. Yes, it was

560
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: a horrible misscall and it definitely still sticks in my crawl.

561
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: But again, I'm not gonna sit here and say that

562
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: was the main reason they lost, just like the Buckner

563
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: fumble wasn't the reason they lost. The reason they lost

564
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: is because the defense couldn't stop anybody they scored. The

565
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: offense played really well that game, it really truly did,

566
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: so that wasn't the offense's fault. It was just a

567
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: defensive laps that came back to bite him in like

568
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: a couple different ways.

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I would say it's maybe not full

570
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: wigum because of one where it happened during the season

571
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: where you're like, it's week two, Notre Dame has plenty

572
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: of time to win a ton of games. And also

573
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: because you give up forty points, you can't really lay

574
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: a claim that you did everything right. And this loss

575
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: was heartbreaking all the same.

576
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: It also it also wasn't like, I guess it was

577
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: last second in that A and M scored a touchdown

578
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: the go ahead what amounted to the go ahead touchdown

579
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: with like thirteen seconds left. Yeah, but that whole drive

580
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: happened in slow motion. For me, as a fan, it

581
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: was telegraphed that they were going to drive a field

582
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: and score because they had done it the whole game. Yeah,

583
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: So for me it was it was more of a

584
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: slow motion heartbreak situation. But I still wouldn't classify it

585
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: as full Wigham.

586
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I being danger Yeah, I think that's right. Can

587
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: we stick with the text A and M theme because

588
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: they were involved in the other direction? Well, no, I

589
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: guess in a very similar direction. South Carolina another heartbreaking moment, Yeah, yeah,

590
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Texas A and M one, this one against South Carolina

591
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: on November fifteenth, year of Ourward twenty twenty five, thirty

592
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: one to thirty now close game, yeah, of course. What's

593
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: notable though, is that South Carolina led thirty to three

594
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: at halftime. Thirty to three.

595
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: In advance of this game, teams were oh and two

596
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty six in SEC play since two thousand

597
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: and four when trailing by more than twenty seven points

598
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: damn am came back in one. And it happened real

599
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: quick in the second half too, didn't it Like you

600
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: could feel it almost immediately after the second half kickoff

601
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: that things were going to go south for South Carolina.

602
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And man, just the quote here from Shane

603
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: Beemer to say, I'm hurt for our guys is an

604
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: understatement end quote. I was hurt for those guys, Dan,

605
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: I was hurt for those guys.

606
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I this this included the what the tunnel yelling,

607
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: the Nick Harbor moment with the cop right with the cop.

608
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: This includes or this was at the end of I

609
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: want to say South Carolina having a season that ended

610
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: with one SEC win. Yeap, they go one and seven

611
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: in the SEC. And this was at the end of

612
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: a five game losing streak before they beat Coastal Carolina

613
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: and lose to Clemson. And this was a couple of

614
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: weeks after the Alabama heartbreak where they give that game

615
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: away with a fumble at the end of the game

616
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: where it looked like they had that game in hand

617
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: and then they completely disrupt. It was a you know,

618
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: a defensive masterclass in terms of confusing and taking advantage

619
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Speaker 2: of Marcel Reid and the Texas A and M offense. Right,

620
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: they're just forcing a ton of mistakes and completely you know,

621
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: put Texas A and M.

622
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: On its keyster in that first half, yep.

623
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: And for Texas A and M to come back the

624
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: way that they did, for South Carolina to be completely

625
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: unable to adjust and get back to what was working

626
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: and figure things out on defense. You know, as somebody

627
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: who has watched their team, you know the twenty fifteen

628
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: what Alamobile different, a different situation, quarterback gets hurt at

629
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, right before the half whatever. But to watch

630
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: that like slow developing car crash, that's real, real tough

631
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Speaker 2: as a fan. So I don't know if it's heartbreaking

632
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: as much as it is like a blood letting.

633
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: Right, that's just the slow death of hope. I mean,

634
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm always struck in situations like this when you just

635
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: have basically a second different team come out at halftime. Right.

636
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: South Carolina went in at halftime up twenty seven points.

637
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: They came out on their first five drives of the

638
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: second half, they managed just fifty three total yards, and

639
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: they lost the lead with about ten and a half

640
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: left in the fourth quarter. So there was time m hm.

641
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: They just couldn't get anything going. It was like a

642
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: complete role reversal. Then on their final play, Leonora's sellers

643
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: get sacked on consecutive plays and then it's fourth and sixteen.

644
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: Rather than try to heave it deep, he just scrambles

645
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: for seven yards and that's sorting. That's it. So yeah,

646
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: this one. For as great as it was for South

647
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: Carolina in the first half, that's how terrible it was

648
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: in the second half. And I don't know if we

649
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: lump this in sort of along the lines of the

650
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: Penn State game that we talked about with Indiana earlier,

651
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: but it was clear, at least to us the start

652
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: of the year that it was to be a rough

653
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: go for South Carolina. Good players, some obvious holes. The

654
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: season at this point in mid November clearly hadn't gone

655
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: the way that Shane Beemer would have hoped, and so

656
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: this was one of those moments where they can take

657
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: down one of the best teams in the country, and

658
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: it felt like they had him. It was a bit

659
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: of a slow motion car crash there at the end,

660
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: and ultimately, as Beemer said it was, it was he

661
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: felt hurt for his guys. It felt as if South

662
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: Carolina had one of the bigger upsets going here and

663
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: then it just fell apart a.

664
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: Couple things here. If you're a South Carolina fan listening

665
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: and already made peace with this and already decided that

666
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: you're ready to be hurt again, only for us to

667
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: bring up old stuff.

668
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're sorry about that. I'm sorry. Some I call

669
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: it that. I'm sorry too. This is one of those games.

670
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: If you're a South Carolina fan or any fan of

671
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: a team watching your own team slowly give away a game,

672
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: especially at the end of a losing this is one

673
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 2: of those game ends. You slump down in your couch

674
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: or your barstool wherever you're watching this game, and you

675
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 2: just sort of say to no one in particular, of course,

676
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: of course this is how this game went. Of course,

677
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: of course, of course this is how this would end.

678
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: And number three and here's my sidebar here, shout out

679
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: to every Texas A and M fan who made it

680
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: through the season with their heart in one piece. This

681
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: is what we don't I think, put enough respect on

682
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: what Aggies went through in twenty twenty five, even with

683
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: it being a clearly successful year. This is what Texas

684
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: A and M and Mike Elko, who has done a

685
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: fantastic job for the Aggies. This is what they went

686
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: through last year. They went through the Notre Dame game. Great,

687
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: they pulled it out. Couldn't have been fun on anybody's

688
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: ticker rooting for Texas, A and M in this game,

689
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 2: watching it go back and forth, sitting on their hands

690
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: to see if Auburn was somehow going to beat them

691
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: in a close, weird, low scoring game. At the end

692
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 2: of September shoot out with Arkansas on the road where

693
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: they couldn't get off the field, We're like, okay, this

694
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: could completely derail our season. The South Carolina game where

695
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 2: you go down like you do at halftime, you're up

696
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: ten to three against Texas on the road at halftime,

697
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: only to watch that game slip away from you with

698
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: arches feet nonetheless, and then have opportunities to win a

699
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 2: playoff game at home against Miami in seven hundred mile

700
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: an hour wins, only to lose that game without ever

701
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: getting in the end zone ten to three. So you

702
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: hold Miami, a legitimately very good offense to ten points

703
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: with wind assistance, of course, and cannot win a playoff

704
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: game at home. So I'm just saying the season kind

705
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: of sucked the life out of Texas A and m fans,

706
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: even in a successful runs.

707
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: That's not fun. Which Miami game do you want to

708
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: talk about? Because there are two here that you and

709
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: I pulled out of the of the lineup. Right. There

710
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: was the game that they played against Old Miss, which

711
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: obviously was much more disappointing for Old Miss than it

712
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: was Miami. There was also the National Championship game, right,

713
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: which you alluded to earlier. Miami has a shot, clearly

714
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. Indiana ends up winning twenty seven to

715
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: twenty one, but they had a shot. Down the stretch,

716
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: Miami was adjacent to a number of disappointing or potentially

717
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: disappointing moments. We could go all the way back to

718
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: Week one against Notre Dame if you want so. We

719
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: have options here with regard to Miami. Which one of

720
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: those two playoff matchups in particular should we highlight here

721
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: on this episode?

722
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I think in terms of pure heartbreak, if you're

723
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: just going to look for the Wigham quotients, yeah, I'm

724
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: going to say Ole Miss Miami had more heartbreak at

725
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: the end. Then Look, I know Miami. That game ends

726
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: on an interception, you know, driving the ball down. The

727
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: interception happened near the end zone, right. It was a

728
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: deeper pass up the left sideline, and there's a ton

729
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: of emotion wrapped into it because the game was in Miami.

730
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: Miami.

731
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: Miami has this opportunity to, you know, get back to

732
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: their promised land, the place that they feel that, you know,

733
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: they should always occupy. In this sport which is competing

734
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: for national championships. Lost in your home stadium, lost in

735
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: the home stadium, it's undeniably heartbreaking, it's undeniably full Wigham.

736
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: But in the case of Ole miss in the back

737
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: and forth game against Miami, there is something about what

738
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: the previous month or so of what Old Missus season was.

739
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: They're head coach telling the team, I haven't decided yet

740
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna dump you or not. Okay, I have

741
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: a deadline, a self imposed deadline. I am figuring out

742
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: if I am going to dump you for what I

743
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: view as a better partner locally.

744
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: I haven't figured that out yet.

745
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: I feel like this other new partner is just more

746
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: attractive to me.

747
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Marty Smith? The tender Hug they shared, Yeah,

748
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking.

749
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: About Marty Smith. Okay, the tender goodbyes between Lane Kiff

750
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: and Marty Smith and Lane Kiff and Marty Smith. So

751
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: that's the way they head into the playoff, right with

752
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: their head coach dumping them and then reaching the point

753
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: where they are the SEC's new alpha Alpha. Right they

754
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: take down Georgia, which is also, you can make a

755
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: very easy case, was a heartbreaking away for Georgia season

756
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: to end, of course, sure, ole Miss going back and forth,

757
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: having the lead in the fourth quarter against Miami, a

758
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: terrific back and forth game, an improbable story with a

759
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: D two transfer as they're you know, new most electric

760
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: player on offense at quarterback, an interim staff with Pete

761
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: Golding taking over. He's the new guy. But like the

762
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: coaches that are in and out and heading back and

763
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: forth between Baton Rouge and Oxford, getting to the point

764
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: where they're in position to go to the national championship

765
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 2: despite all of that, having Carson Beck with his legs improvise.

766
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: And score what became the game winning.

767
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: Touchdown, but still leaving enough time on the clock for

768
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: ole Miss to in a really savvy way move the

769
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: ball downfield and put themselves in position for the win

770
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: with I think they got the ball back with like

771
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: eighteen seconds left, something crazy like that, dozens of seconds,

772
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: and for Trinidad Chambliss to throw the ball up the

773
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: left sideline from plus territory and have his receiver and

774
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: they're hand fighting, and that's to be expected in a

775
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: high leverage moment, but to have his jersey grabbed and

776
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 2: brought and brought down. He's not brought to the ground,

777
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: but he's brought down. Have Terry McCauley on Twitter, Terry

778
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: immediately say like.

779
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, that was that was pi way. You know,

780
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: this was like one of those things that got Terry

781
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 1: McCauley gone this past season this end. Players who wear

782
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: yes pants that are too short, yeah, remember.

783
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: To have the ability to say, like we were robbed

784
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 2: on that last moment with a non call, and also

785
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: have everything leading the baggage leading up to that game.

786
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: When you're one moment away from defying every odd and

787
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 2: getting to the National championship game. That was my number

788
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: one most heartbreaking moment of the season. And again I

789
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: fully agree that Miami was full wighamed with their heartbreak

790
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: at the end of the Indiana game, but I don't know.

791
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: There was something about the baggage with ole Miss at

792
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: the end of that Miami game where I just say,

793
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: in terms of heartbreak, I think that's my winner.

794
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: The backdrop for ole Miss here. Did I make a

795
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: strong enough case I thought I did. I don't know.

796
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the backdrop here for old Miss can't really

797
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: be replicated at least can you imagine you know what

798
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: I mean? Like that that was such a circus with

799
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin leaving. Of course the tender hug Marty Smith,

800
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: which I thought was very sweet, same, but that that

801
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: situation was just mind blowing. And then the fact that

802
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: they would make this run through the playoffs I think

803
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: is his testament to I mean the coaching staff on

804
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: some level, sure, but just the players. It would have

805
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: been really easy to be distracted by everything else that

806
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: was going on, and they damn near could have won

807
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: this game. I don't know what would have happened if

808
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: they made the National championship, but they were certainly not

809
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: a shrinking Violet in this situation. And this game, I

810
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: would say was one of the most pleasant surprises for

811
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,479
Speaker 1: me all year. Not that I expected that Old Miss

812
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: was going to get blown off the field by Miami.

813
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't. I thought it would be closer, and

814
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: it was close and ended up being close. But the

815
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of this game was nuts. Man, it was nuts,

816
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: and it was fun as hell to watch, and I'd

817
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: imagine if you were an Old Miss fan the you're

818
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: definitely left with some disappointment. If you're a Miami fan,

819
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: you were left catching your breath because it felt like

820
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: Old Miss very much could have won this game. They

821
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: dominated time of possession. They had forty one minutes to

822
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes in terms of time of possession. All four

823
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: lead changes in this game came in the fourth quarter.

824
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: So it was a wild finish to say the least,

825
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: and definitely the kind that leaves you, I think, especially

826
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: if you're an old Misfan wanting. Yeah, that was a

827
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: tough way to lose too. And you know, to your

828
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: point about the hail Mary attempt, like they just pulled

829
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: them down. It wasn't like run of the mill interference

830
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: that you see on every hail Mary call.

831
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: And it wasn't even really a hail mary because it

832
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: was really thrown up what it was.

833
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but like that felt like it went to

834
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: a bit of a different level, much the way that

835
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: we talked about the holding call earlier with the Notre

836
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: Dame in Texas A and M game, It's just it's

837
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: added sauce. It's added sauce. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

838
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the playoff had a bunch of these

839
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: types of moments, and like you can look at the

840
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: Georgia Ole Miss game, be like that might have been

841
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: the best game, but the back and forth nature and

842
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: how Trinidad Schambliss just exploded in that second half, you

843
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: can make the case that was like the best second

844
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: half of the season. Perhaps I don't know, but I

845
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: just I think the baggage of that moment, and or

846
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 2: the baggage of what was leading up to that moment,

847
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: the back and forth nature of that game, what was

848
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: at stake in that game specifically more so than a quarterfinal.

849
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

850
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: That's my number one in terms of like, if I

851
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: were putting myself in the soul of another group of fans,

852
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: I think that would be the biggest, the biggest hurt

853
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: I could find.

854
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: We talked earlier about how the Penn State Oregon game

855
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: essentially broke the Penn State season. It ended James Franklin's tenure.

856
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: I think now in hindsight, we can make a pretty

857
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: strong case that Utah beating Kansas State, Oh yeah, on

858
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: November twenty second, may have broken something in Chris Climan.

859
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't have to guess, you don't have to theorize.

860
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: You can watch his press conference after the game when

861
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: he was struggling emotionally, which, by the way, I respect immensely.

862
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: Of course, of course I would be the same way.

863
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: And that kind of back and forth game when you're

864
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: up and you have the two point conversion returned, Like

865
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: the exact nature of it. I think there was a

866
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: third and twenty two completely like it was a twenty

867
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: one yard pass on third and twenty two given up.

868
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: Devin dan Pierre had like a fifty yard run on

869
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: fourth and one untouched to like the three yard line.

870
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: Just the emotional swings of that game, you could see.

871
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: It just sucked the life out of Chris Climban. Fifty

872
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: one to forty seven, Yeah, was your final score? Kansas

873
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 2: State rushed for four hundred and seventy two yards.

874
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

875
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: I mean, if you score forty seven on Utah any

876
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: year's Utah team and don't manage to win the game.

877
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: It just got it. Cuts you. Joe Jackson, the running

878
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: back for Kansas State, not shoeless in this one, ran

879
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: for two ninety three. He broke darren Sprolls record that

880
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: was set back in two thousand and four. And they

881
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: led by twelve with about seven minutes left. Yes, how

882
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: did they lose this one? Oh?

883
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, they couldn't stop Utah. The defense was

884
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: just not where it needed to be consistently last year,

885
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: and anytime Utah needed any kind of big play they

886
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: were able to get it.

887
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: This one also had one of those weird turned two

888
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: point conversion situations right, so Avery Johnson tries to throw

889
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: for a two point conversion, the passes tipped, it's run

890
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: back in the other direction gives the defense two points.

891
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: That got it to forty seven thirty seven, and Utah

892
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: then scores twice more. It was a long touchdown run

893
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: from Devin dan Pierre, and then there was a go

894
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: ahead touchdown with like a minute left here, which gave Utah,

895
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: as I said, the lead and the win. Chris Kleiman's

896
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 1: postgame quote, one of the greatest efforts I've been part

897
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: of as a coach and It's hard to say this

898
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: because we lost the game. I've given my life for

899
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: this place for seven years. Dan, Yeah, hints were right

900
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: there that this might have broken something in his brain.

901
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: It nearly broke something in mind. I remember talking about

902
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: this one after the fact, watching it in the moment.

903
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 1: It was crazy the way this one ended.

904
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just not the type of game you

905
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: would have expected. I would have expected between these two teams,

906
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: especially with Kansas State's struggles on offense at times and

907
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: Utah's you know, excellence on defense at times in twenty

908
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: twenty five, that Kansas State was able to find ways

909
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: to just move the ball constantly on the ground and

910
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: Utah was able to pull it out. Utah winning a

911
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: shootout is just you know, it's it happens as often

912
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: as you can see, you know, the Northern Lights.

913
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: I'll just say, speaking of things that break the brain, Yeah, yeah,

914
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: I think that goes without saying. It was the most

915
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: rushing yards by an FBS team in a loss since

916
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: Army ran for five hundred and thirty four yards back

917
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen.

918
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I watched that game and I

919
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: just so I felt it all over again for k

920
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: State fans.

921
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: Here's what I would argue, though, this can't be full Wigham,

922
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: not for k State, because the case State season itself

923
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: is probably full Wigham struggling to figure out what went right?

924
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: What went wrong? How did we get here? This was

925
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: at at this stage in the game, late November, it

926
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: was clear that Case State wasn't going to be playing

927
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: for the conference, wasn't going to be playing for anything,

928
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, like a playoff run or anything other than

929
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: a bowl. Frankly, but the manner in which they lost

930
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: this game I think was just an added stomach punch

931
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: to what was already a disappointing year.

932
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: And to their credit, they bounced back and won their

933
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: next game, their final game against Colorado twenty four to fourteen.

934
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: They were kind of back and forth all year long,

935
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 2: win loss, win loss. When lost, they were there, snip snappy,

936
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: you knew the season was sort of going to be

937
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: a different kind of case State year. They opened the

938
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: season in Ireland and lose the weird way, and you

939
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 2: have the Avery Johnson brother and dad stuff where you're

940
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: just like, oh.

941
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: This is weird.

942
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: You love that, and then you love bringing up I know.

943
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: They lose to Army a week after Army had lost too.

944
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: I believe Tarleton State right of Army.

945
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: So it was just it was not going to be

946
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: their season. They lose the weird one at Baylor in

947
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: the middle of the year, get blown out essentially by

948
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, weird win against Oklahoma State the week before this.

949
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: It just wasn't their year, and Chris Climban obviously felt

950
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 2: like it was time for somebody else to take control

951
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: of the program. It's not all about the power programs, Dan, No,

952
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: it's not UNLV fifty one air Force forty eight.

953
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: I love this game so much. I love it. Was

954
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: not an Air Force fan. It's coming on an Air Force.

955
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: When we were going through and trying to pick out

956
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: some of these games, you brought this one up. I

957
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: went back and looked at it. This was crazy this game.

958
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: There were eleven lead changes in the fourth quarter. There

959
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: were forty two combined points. Talk about a wild fourth quarter.

960
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: Then there was what a failed kick that was pushed

961
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: wide that could have tied this one up. Your final

962
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: score was fifty one to forty eight in favor of UNLV.

963
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: This was another game in which anytime anybody needed yards,

964
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: they could figure it out.

965
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: Because the defenses were truly that bad. UNLV did not

966
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: partake in much defense last year, so now you and.

967
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: Lv's defense took a major step back from the Baryoda era.

968
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: Air Force had arguably the worst run defense in America. Okay,

969
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: So between those two very clear facts, and then you

970
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: couple that this game happened right in the middle of

971
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: five straight crazy games for air Force. So air Force

972
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 2: loses a winnable game to Hawaii, a very winnable game

973
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: to Hawaii, loses a very winnable game to Navy on

974
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 2: the road obviously a motion and scar tissue there, loses

975
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 2: on the road at UNLV in this crazy shootout, goes

976
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: on into win a very losable game against Wyoming, and

977
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: then their next game being an extremely winnable game against Army.

978
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: We talk about what Texas A and M put their

979
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: fans through. Air Force last season finished four and eight

980
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: and felt like a gusta wind away from nine to.

981
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: Three or eight four, something like that.

982
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 2: And guess what the Air Force defense, which had been

983
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: so staunch, you know, for so many years, and you

984
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: know they lose assistance, and you know they had all

985
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 2: these upperclassmen that were succeeding for so long they've they've

986
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: taken a back seat these past you know, two or

987
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: three seasons. But man, that five game stretch, that meaty

988
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 2: middle of disappointment and nerves for Air Force fans could not.

989
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: Have been fun. We have two sec games here. Yes,

990
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: I want to give you the option of Georgia beating

991
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: Tennessee forty four to forty one in overtime. This was

992
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: back in early September, or we could fast forward to

993
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: the end of the year and the Iron Bowl, which

994
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: Alabama won twenty seven to twenty.

995
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: I would say Georgia tis Tennessee has more wigham to

996
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 2: it because you have that moment. It wasn't a short

997
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: field goal.

998
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It was like forty two, forty three yards.

999
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: I believe for Tennessee to win that game, and then

1000
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 2: obviously it doesn't happen they go to overtime.

1001
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: Georgia wins this game.

1002
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: The reason there's something special about Georgia with Tennessee, aside

1003
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: from arguing about water rights at the border, which is

1004
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: an underrated part of this matchup.

1005
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: Come on, if we can talk water rights, tie sure.

1006
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: Whenever Tennessee seems to have turned a corner or seemed

1007
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: to have turned a corner, if that's better grammar. Georgia

1008
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: was right there to choke the life out of them

1009
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 2: in some way to sort of end the vibes. And

1010
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: I don't think the vibes were all that high. Expectations

1011
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 2: weren't crazy high for Tennessee this season after how everything

1012
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: went with Nico and blah blah blah. But Tennessee jumps

1013
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: out of it gate in this game and they're like, okay, finally,

1014
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 2: because I don't think they've beaten Georgian at least about

1015
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: a decade or so, right, So there is that that

1016
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: danger hanging over them that they just can't figure out.

1017
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: Georgia and George's winning nation championships is one of like

1018
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: the elites in the sport. They have them at Neilim,

1019
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: they have them on the ropes. They have the moment

1020
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: to go nail in the coffin and in front of

1021
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: a home crowd. Again, this is not on the kicker.

1022
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: A lot of things go into this game, but in

1023
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: terms of moments, this is where kickers either shine or don't.

1024
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: And in this moment, it didn't happen for Tennessee and

1025
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: to go on at home to lose in overtime, and

1026
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: then you talk about Penn State season being ruined by

1027
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: the end of that Oregon double overtime game. Tennessee went

1028
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 2: on to, I believe, win zero more games against above

1029
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: average teams right in twenty twenty six, and they beat Florida,

1030
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 2: but otherwise against the quality teams they played, they lose

1031
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: all of them. Somehow, they were even still near the

1032
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: end of the year. But yeah, this sort of broke

1033
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 2: Tennessee's confidence in a specific way against good teams I

1034
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: feel like, and even in their wins, I think they

1035
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 2: sneak by what Mississippi State shortly thereafter. It wasn't a

1036
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: pretty year for Tennessee, mostly because of their defense. But yeah,

1037
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 2: this moment was particularly draining, I would say.

1038
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: And an underrated stomach punch I would say. Related to

1039
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: this game was the Kirby quote afterwards. Oh he always

1040
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: has something, he always is something. But his quote was

1041
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: I don't think we should have won that game. Yeah,

1042
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: oh that's right. He fully admitted how lucky they were.

1043
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't think we should have won that game, which

1044
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: does not make anyone on the Tennessee side feel any

1045
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: better about it, especially with the way they started. This

1046
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: isn't a full South Carolina A and M situation, but

1047
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: Tennessee came out of the gate hot. Joey Aguiar completed

1048
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: his first fourteen passes. They were up twenty one to

1049
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: seven in the first quarter. He was the first SEC

1050
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: quarterback to go fourteen for fourteen in twenty seasons. Dan,

1051
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: So it felt at least early like they had the

1052
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: wind at their back. As you said, they were playing

1053
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,479
Speaker 1: in their home stadium. I remember you and I going

1054
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: on the air after this one and talking it up like, man,

1055
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: Tennessee might be it this year. They might have something

1056
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: if they're playing this tight with Georgia. You know, at

1057
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: that point in time, it was only like week two.

1058
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: We didn't really know what we had, so we thought

1059
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: maybe that we had undervalued them. I remember the episode

1060
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: we did with Josh Pate before the year, and we

1061
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: talked about how expectations with Tennessee and Tennessee fans maybe

1062
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: were a bit off because they had a lot of turnover,

1063
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: especially along on their offensive line. What was the offense

1064
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: going to look like? Was it fair to expect anything

1065
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: big out of Tennessee. You put in a performance like this,

1066
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: albeit they lost it still felt like maybe there was

1067
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: a lot more room to grow and that perhaps the

1068
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: season could turn out a little bit differently. So it didn't.

1069
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: They obviously did not make it back to the playoff,

1070
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: but this moment was definitely one that resonated in the

1071
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: early part of the year. It was also, by the

1072
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 1: way a game.

1073
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: Again, this is not anything Tennessee fans don't know or remember,

1074
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: but just in terms of further contexts, Chris Brasel lit

1075
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: up the Georgia secondary. There were legit questions about Georgia's

1076
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: defense after this game. Obviously they got their act together

1077
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: and they figured ways out through injuries stuff over the

1078
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: course of the season, but you're like, man, what's going

1079
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 2: on with George's defense If Tennessee is able to light

1080
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: them up like they were able to do, especially in

1081
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: the beginning of the game, but even throughout the game,

1082
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: Chris brazl was getting loose and winning fifty to fifty

1083
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: balls and just sort of mossing the Georgia secondary at times.

1084
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: This one also had maybe my favorite pass of the

1085
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: entire season, Gunner stocked in Gunner stocked in London humphreez

1086
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: a twenty eight yard touchdown pass down the right sideline

1087
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: on fourth and seven. Yeah, it was incredible that throw.

1088
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: That was the epitome of huge. Can I say balls

1089
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: on the show Dan Cojones Yeah, Cojones factor. That was

1090
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: a big balls throw if I've ever seen one. Yeah,

1091
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: Gunner stocked in and uh, I feel like we've had

1092
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: a couple of moments now.

1093
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: Really pooring Saltan the volunteer wounds here, but yeah, we

1094
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: got to get over it together.

1095
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: It's true. I feel like that was that was one

1096
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: of the moments. We've had a couple of them now

1097
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: since we've become aware of Gunner stocked in where he

1098
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: pulls a moment like that out every now and again,

1099
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: and it's like, this dude's built just a little different.

1100
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: You can't you can't like count on him to uh

1101
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: go on a shell if you're an opponent when the

1102
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: stakes are high. He just finds a way to make

1103
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: these plays. And that one was incredible. Yeah, I totally agree.

1104
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: I want to go to a game late in the

1105
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 2: season which had big stakes for one of the teams

1106
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 2: and had a particularly advantageous situation for the eventual losing team,

1107
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: and that's the smu Cal game.

1108
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: Thirty eight thirty five. On November the twenty ninth.

1109
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: Cal fires Justin Wilcox Ron Rivera and CAL fired Justin

1110
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 2: Wilcox after they lose the Stanford game.

1111
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: Nick Rolovich is the interim coach for CAL.

1112
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 2: Jks is a good and promising freshman year for Cal,

1113
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: but SMU, after a slow start, has to beat Cal

1114
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: with an interim coach, after being deflated because of losing

1115
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: their rivalry game to make the ACC championship game. That's right,

1116
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: Like that's all they needed. I mean, with all the

1117
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: like the different tiebreakers involved that SMU two years into

1118
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: joining the ACC, I think in this new conference setup

1119
01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 2: would have been considered an ACC power. Right, if you

1120
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 2: exclusively make the championship game in your short time in

1121
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: a conference, you're one of the powers in a conference.

1122
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: And maybe they still are, I don't know, but SMU

1123
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: has that opportunity and Cal just through bombing it down

1124
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: the field an incredibly timely run for a game winning

1125
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: touchdown and an SMU field goal miss. After SMU comes

1126
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 2: back to make this a game in an extremely winnable

1127
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: moment for the Mustangs, Cal is able to gut out

1128
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: the win and SMU does not go to the AEC

1129
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: championship game, and we thus get an ACC championship game

1130
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 2: featuring no matter who wins, the chances of them going

1131
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 2: to the playoff are pretty slim. Maybe if Virginia had

1132
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: stomped them, who knows. But even still, we had an

1133
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: ACC champion who was nowhere near playoff consideration, in small

1134
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: part at least because SMU couldn't beat Cal in a

1135
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: winnable moment. The thing that I point out about this game, yeah,

1136
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: SMU was down by seventeen in the fourth quarter. Yeah,

1137
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: and then they put together like this furious rally. They

1138
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 2: get to go ahead touchdown with.

1139
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: Shade over two minutes, and yeah, that's when Jks sort

1140
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: of showed what he's all about. Seventy five yards in

1141
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: ninety nine seconds. They score with forty three seconds left,

1142
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: and then SMU drives the field sixteen seconds left, a

1143
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: false start pushes a kick attempt back, They call a

1144
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: timeout to avoid a runoff. Their freshman kicker attempts a

1145
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: fifty two yard or at Sales wide left, and that's

1146
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: the game, right. The other thing that I would add,

1147
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: if we are trying to present a full three to

1148
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: six DVU, here three of SMU's four losses were kicking

1149
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: related this past season. So they had one in doubt

1150
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: against Baylor. They also had one when they lost at

1151
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: wake Forest thirteen to twelve, and I remember that game

1152
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: is kind of a weird game, so kicking was definitely

1153
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: an issue on something well I guess need to pay

1154
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more attention to as we preview the

1155
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: Mustangs this year. But the stakes in this one, like

1156
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: low key, this is a devastating loss for SMU. Yeah,

1157
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: there was a lot riding on this game, the fact that.

1158
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 2: Oka devastating loss potentially for the ACC.

1159
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 1: For the ACC, I mean, the ACC had a team

1160
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: in the National Championship game, so it didn't necessarily kill

1161
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: their credibility because Miami went on the great things, but.

1162
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: Right, it killed their championship game credibility, that's right, and

1163
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: they're tie breaking credibility in other ways that happened as well.

1164
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, if SMU wins this game, they're in the

1165
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: top twenty. They have an opportunity to beat top twenty Virginia,

1166
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 2: and Virginia has an opportunity to beat top twenty SMU,

1167
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: and that likely changes the complexion. It does change the

1168
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: complexion of who gets, you know, into the playoff with

1169
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: regard for I guess James Madison or the ACC champion.

1170
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, a lot of stakes and SMU had the

1171
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: chance to come back and win but couldn't get the

1172
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: stops when needed. And SMU was allowing like under twenty

1173
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: points a game. Yep, and Cal was just able to

1174
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: light them up.

1175
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: So look, we have a bunch more here. We're not

1176
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: going to have time to get through all of these,

1177
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: But can I just rapid fire go through two that

1178
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: I think deserves to be mentioned. Yes. The first is

1179
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: New Mexico beating San Diego State twenty three to seventeen

1180
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: in double overtime. This one was also at the end

1181
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: of the A lot of stuff broke at the end

1182
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: of November, so again context is important. Remember the Mountain

1183
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: West situation. Remember that our friend Bill Connolly had at

1184
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: least a small role in determining who would play for

1185
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: the Mountain West because they had a way time. So

1186
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: there are implications here for San Diego State and they

1187
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: get this game to overtime, their ambitions to win this

1188
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: game in overtime are undone by three straight false start penalties.

1189
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: Maybe you can attribute that crowd noise. I don't know right.

1190
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: It pushes them from first and goal at the ten

1191
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: all the way back to the twenty five. They get

1192
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: sacked on back to back plays. Before you know it,

1193
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: they have what amounts to a hopeless fourth and thirty situation,

1194
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: but really fourth and goal that they do not convert.

1195
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: They end up losing. Obviously, that was not the way

1196
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: that they expected that one to go for New Mexico.

1197
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: Is a nice win for New Mexico, right as New Mexico

1198
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: was still very much in the hunt as well total

1199
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: for that Mount West Championship. The other game here, and

1200
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: we don't cover this maybe as much as we should,

1201
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: the FCS National Championship game, Oh.

1202
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: Man, yeah was it? Montana State Illinois State.

1203
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: Illinois State was an unseated eight and four team that

1204
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: won four straight road playoff games to get to the

1205
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: FCS title game. They outga Normal Illinois. Yeah, shoutout normal.

1206
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: They outgained Montana State by ninety yards. They had a

1207
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: go ahead field goal and an overtime extra point blocked.

1208
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: If they convert either of those, they win the National Championship.

1209
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: The end of that game. I remember watching the end

1210
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: of this game and it was one of those deals

1211
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: where the old man is tired. I'm watching in bed, Yeah,

1212
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing this unfold and I am just standing

1213
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: up pacing the room because of what I am watching.

1214
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: It was one of those deals where you just wanted

1215
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: to sort of yell at the television because honestly, it

1216
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: felt like both teams should be doing better, should be

1217
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: a little bit more buttoned up if you're playing in

1218
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: the National championship. So it never felt like it was

1219
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: given for either one of these schools. But it just

1220
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: so happens that a few more things broke in favor

1221
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: of Montana State to give them a thirty five to

1222
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: thirty four win in the FCS National Championship back on

1223
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: January the fifth.

1224
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it was, Yes, it was wild, especially having

1225
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: come in a national championship game, the heart wrenching moment

1226
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: for Illinois State, and look, it felt like they were

1227
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: on you know, bonus borrowed time, given that there was

1228
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: no expectations for them to be making it this far.

1229
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 2: But man, incredible finish, incredible job for Montana steak getting

1230
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: the job done, getting the job done late when I

1231
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 2: guess you know you're going to be criticized for you know,

1232
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: micro decisions or big decisions, But I don't know, I

1233
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 2: appreciate the effort both ways.

1234
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: Give me like one or two more rapid fire and

1235
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: then we'll let the fine people go.

1236
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 2: Well, I thought Iron Bowl was not like full heartbreak

1237
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: for Auburn because we've obviously seen endings to this game

1238
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: going both directions that you can obviously make a very

1239
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 2: easy case that a couple of years ago with Jalen

1240
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 2: Milroe making that throw at Auburn being the heartbreaking moment

1241
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: in recent era, in the recent era of this back

1242
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 2: in fourth But I don't know, there was something and

1243
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 2: I always appreciate this about the sport where again another

1244
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: interim situation where yeah, Auburn's season went sideways. Hugh Freeze

1245
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: isn't the guy. But they're able to, especially on defense,

1246
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 2: dirty up this game enough and make Ty Simpson look

1247
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 2: and the offense look ordinary enough, and the Alabama offensive

1248
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 2: line look ordinary enough that they have the opportunity to,

1249
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 2: if they can get a couple of breaks on offense,

1250
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 2: to just completely you know, prevent Alabama from making the

1251
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 2: College Football Playoff and they're you know, obviously unable to

1252
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: get the job done in the end, but having that

1253
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: within your grass, who was it. Malcolm Simmons is making

1254
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 2: all the plays out of nowhere. Heartbreaking for Auburn. When

1255
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: you have the you know, if you don't have the

1256
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 2: chance to be the team, you know, the power, the

1257
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: opportunity to play spoiler maker is almost as tasty, and

1258
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 2: Auburn had it within their grasp but couldn't quite finish

1259
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 2: it out.

1260
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember cam Coleman leaving the field. He was

1261
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 1: like they showed the shot of he was devastated. Yeah,

1262
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 1: I losing that game, and there were real implications with

1263
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: regard to the playoff and Alabama, because at that moment

1264
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: in time, end of the year, it's Alabama, it's Notre Dame,

1265
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: it's Miami, and it felt like two of those three

1266
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: teams were probably going to get in. And clearly Alabama

1267
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: loses that game, they're not getting in. So it felt

1268
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: for a hot minute like Auburn was gonna win, but

1269
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: Alabama was all to hold him off.

1270
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty all tie game in the fourth quarter with

1271
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 2: Auburn's backup quarterback yep Ty Simpson three and a half

1272
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 2: yards per attempt in this game. So Auburn did plenty,

1273
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, I get the heartbreak of wanting to play

1274
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: spoiler and coming up just short. Okay, last one was

1275
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: a nat CHAG game.

1276
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: We're going to go back to the Nation Championship game.

1277
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I just I want to point out that

1278
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:13,879
Speaker 2: on that field and in that place, and with Miami

1279
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: season being as weird as it was, given the losses

1280
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: to A, Louisville and SMU, given that they needed the

1281
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 2: ACC's only bid, be it an at large bid to

1282
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: make it to the playoff, the road that they went

1283
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 2: through with the Old Miss win and the Ohio State

1284
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: win and the Texas A and M win all weird

1285
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: games or losable games given where Ohio State was given,

1286
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 2: you know, scoring one touchdown and needing a huge defensive

1287
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 2: play at the end to beat Textas A and M

1288
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 2: in a very windy setting, which by the way, better

1289
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: team won that game.

1290
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: Better team one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then finishing out the Old Miss game like

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Speaker 2: they were able to do, having the ups and downs

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Speaker 2: of the National Championship game and then having a crazy

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Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza play, having opportunities throughout the game, having moments

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Speaker 2: with you know, looking undisciplined and having penalties and still

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01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 2: having an opportunity at the end of that game and

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Speaker 2: losing on an ill advised Carson Beck pass, even though

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Speaker 2: he was the guy who put them in position to

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Speaker 2: even be there in the first place. I just think

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Speaker 2: that kind of wild ride starting out with the Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame game, the close Notre Dame win, having the argument

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Speaker 2: all season long about being behind Notre Dame despite the

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01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 2: head to head win and the weird losses, and to

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: have that moment even still to get through what Miami

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: got through, and even when you look at some of

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01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: the low lights of the Mario Christobal era at Miami

1307
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: and some of the highlight like they'd been Miami fans

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01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: had been through everything these past couple of years. And

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01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 2: to have it on the plate, I don't know what

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: this terminology is, but to have it in front of them,

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01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 2: to be able to taste a national championship for the

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01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: first time in whatever it was, twenty five years, twenty five,

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Speaker 2: three years, and have it end the way that it did,

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Speaker 2: it's just crushing. I think it has to be said.

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Speaker 1: It's so rare that do you get to play for

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01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: something of this magnitude in your home stadium. Yes, totally

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: like that was I thought maybe one of the more

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: underrated aspects of the National Championship. This year, you had

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01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: a team playing at home and it wasn't as if

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01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: their defense got torched. I mean, look how many teams

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Speaker 1: we saw throughout the course of the year get torched

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Speaker 1: by the Indiana offense. That was very much not the case.

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01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: What was it like ten zip the end of the

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Speaker 1: first half something. It's not like Indiana was running over

1325
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: this Miami defense. I thought the Miami defense quit itself

1326
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: quite well. It's just offensively, they really couldn't get it

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01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: going for a good chunk of this game. They're really

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01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: bad in the first quarter on third downs. They had

1329
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 1: trouble all throughout the year, or excuse me, all throughout

1330
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: the game, I should say, on third down. So it

1331
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: it took him away while to get going. Once they did,

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01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: they did give themselves a shot in the end. I

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01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: remember talking with you, did we do a watch along

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01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,480
Speaker 1: for this? We might have done a watch along for this, yeah,

1335
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: but I remember we were just sort of like reminding

1336
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 1: people of the narrative around Carson Beck that he gets

1337
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: in these moments and sometimes you know, like this is

1338
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: where he got him, like turn him loose and maybe

1339
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: he makes a bad decision and these are some of

1340
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: the interceptions that everybody had been talking about going into

1341
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: Miami's playoff runt here.

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Speaker 2: But again, the only reason they're there is because of

1343
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: the good things Carson.

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01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, And to the point, Carson Beck and

1345
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: Miami were in this game because they were really smart

1346
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: about how they use their personnel, how they schemed from

1347
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: some of their opponents throughout the playoffs. The fact that

1348
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: they lost essentially or at least sealed the game on

1349
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: that interception by Jamari Sharp, that that in and of

1350
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: itself was sort of a full circle moment, just because

1351
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: we saw finally from Carson Beck what some people have

1352
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: been warning about ourselves included in some of those high

1353
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: leverage situations. So, yeah, a backbreaking interception certainly not the

1354
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: reason they lost. They lost because Indiana was the better team,

1355
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: and I thought they acquitted themselves well. But I would

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01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: say probably full Wigham. Oh yeah, just because it's a

1357
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 1: Nashal like. I know, we wanted to talk about the

1358
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: old Miss Miami game a little bit more, but I

1359
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,879
Speaker 1: don't know. You lose a national championship in your home stadium,

1360
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: you never know when you're going to get back to

1361
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: that game. College football has a lot more parody these days,

1362
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: and everybody is loading up who's got the resources to

1363
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: do so they just never know what the next season

1364
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: is going to have in store. So disappointing, But I

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01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,719
Speaker 1: thought a good game from Miami, albeit in the loss.

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01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there, Look, they're obviously countless games from

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01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 2: the season on every level where you're just like a

1368
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 2: team has it in the air grasp. You know, I

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01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: wanted to maybe talk a little bit more about but

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01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't like rubbing salt and wounds

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01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 2: all the time. Oregon Iowa where top twenty matchup at home,

1372
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,879
Speaker 2: two point conversion where a guy's foot is out of bounds.

1373
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: Weird weather, right, the weird weather.

1374
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: Gary Danielson just painting himself black and gold the booth.

1375
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 2: You know, the gods decide not to tell the referees

1376
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 2: to call it an obvious defensive holding at the end

1377
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: of the game, and Oregon still is able to pierce

1378
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 2: through the vaunted Iowa what is it, the the Joe

1379
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 2: More Award and Iowa couldn't run in this game at all,

1380
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 2: and just Iowa has it. You know, it's an ugly game,

1381
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 2: and that's you know, built perfectly for Iowa to win

1382
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 2: at home in bad weather, keeping the you know it

1383
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 2: was eighteen sixteen was the final score. Ye, that's a

1384
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: that's a perfect recipe for an Iowa upset and Oregon

1385
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 2: steals one on the road.

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Speaker 1: My guy, Mark Ronowski, Your guy, Mark Ronowski.

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01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 2: He had a a play where it was a called

1388
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 2: jump pass, where nobody went out for a pass near

1389
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: the end zone. That's he threw a ball that was

1390
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 2: sure to be incomplete, but it was tipped up and

1391
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 2: a different receiver catches the ball, but his foot is.

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01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: Out of bounds, and that would have I think, tied

1393
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: the game.

1394
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 2: Or it would have It would have given them Iowa

1395
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 2: two eighteen a three point and Oregon could only have

1396
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 2: tied it with a field goal.

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Speaker 1: At the end, it was win it with the field goal.

1398
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: Caught it in the back of the end zone, but

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01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: was ruled just out of bounds and that kept the

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01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: margin at one. And then Dante Moore, who had struggled

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: for the vast majority, threw an interception in the end

1402
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: zone early in the game. Yeah, he ends up ripping

1403
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: off five straight completions after going I think without a

1404
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: completion in the second half, up to that point. So

1405
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: it was just not a good game for Dante Moore,

1406
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: but gets within field goal range Atticus sapping ten drills

1407
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: a thirty nine yard field goal with three seconds left

1408
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: to give them an eighteen to sixteen win.

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01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 2: Crazy game, Yeah, considered a bunch here other ones. But yeah,

1410
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned New Mexico, San Diego State, Arkansas,

1411
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: Texas State was crazy, Kennesaw Liberty was crazy. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the support man.

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1415
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