WEBVTT - Dave Hill and the Epistemology of Norwegian Black Metal 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:14.120 Pushkin. Just a quick note here. You can listen to 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.120 all of the music mentioned in this episode on our playlist, 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.200 which you can find a link to in the show 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:22.959 notes for licensing reasons, each time a song is referenced 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:28.240 in this episode, you'll hear this sound effect. All right, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:34.120 enjoyed episode. The following episode of Broken Record contains language 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:41.280 that is extremely grim, infernal, cult brutal, and just sort 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:46.320 of negative in general. My name is Malcolm Glabo. Welcome 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.360 to Broken Record, where today we explore the dark world 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:54.280 of black metal with Dave Hill, guitar hero metal enthusiast, 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:59.520 spawn of the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio, creative force behind 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:04.440 a seven inch Witch Taint anthology, the first thirteen Infernal Years, 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:09.839 and the forthcoming Sons of Midwestern Darkness. If you've never 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.959 seen Dave's epic version of Stairway to Heaven with his 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.720 eighty three year old dad on keyboards, by the way, 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:20.640 you should probably drop everything and watch it now. Today, 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.560 in a departure from our usual practice at Broken Record 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.440 of doing thoughtful and sophisticated interviews, we're going to go 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:32.039 deep and tell the Witch Taint origin story, which involves 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:37.200 an extended encounter between Dave Hill's alter ego aka the 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:41.240 King of Black Metal Lance from Gary, Indiana and the 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:49.080 Norwegian black metal empresario named Satan spelled Saiam also known 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:54.600 as Matthias. Why Norwegian? Because Norway is to black metal 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.480 like Belgium, Mister Chocolate. What's the difference in the way 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.920 one would play a guitar in a metal band and 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.720 in a progressive rock band or in an alternative Can 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.600 you just have give me a little tutorial on what 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:14.040 it means musically? You know with rock, you can rock 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.080 can be kind of whatever you know, you can be like, 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.800 you know, sort of arim e jangly ethens or whatever. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.000 I mean. Well, metal, all metal, if they're doing it right, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.720 starts with Black Sabbath, of course, and that would be 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.680 described to me what you're doing exactly a net. I'm 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:39.120 butchering the riff to Black Sabbath from the album Black 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:44.040 Sabbath by the band Black Sabbath, that's called the Devil. 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.440 The flat at fifth is the Devil's interval, and in 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.360 some cultures you can't even play it because it conjures 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.280 the devil, Like in the suburbs of Cleveland, you can't 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:59.359 play that no, but no, it was truly like considered. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:01.960 I think it's always been fine to play in Cleveland, 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:06.200 but in some cultures, I think, yeah, it was considered, 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:11.399 like you just wouldn't so that one that's basically having 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.280 metal right there. Talk a little bit. You said there 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:19.799 there are distinctions in lyrics and sound between black and 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.239 death metal. Can you talk a little bit about from 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.840 your perspective what those distinctions are. Death metal is more 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.400 and by the way, there's going you know, if I 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.480 may just a quick disclaimer, there's gonna. I would call 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:37.680 myself a metal enthusiast, not I'm knowledge I'm extremely knowledgeable, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.280 I would say, but I wouldn't say I'm an expert. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.720 And I say I mentioned this only because there's bound 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.880 to be someone who's going to be like, you didn't 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.120 get that quite right, and so I'm just saying that 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.880 admitting to whoever's listening, Yes, you do no more than 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.600 I do. So death metal would be more about like 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.600 gore and you know, just look at Cannibal Corpse's album 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.240 covers and they're all very great, graphic and violent, and 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.280 so the lyrics about that, like I think Cannibal Corpses, 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.280 I guess they're stairway to have them would be hammer 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:14.720 smash face, So that's death black black So death is 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.480 more gore and all that, and black metal is more 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:24.880 just dark and grim and satanic and depressing and very 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.839 negative and about you know, it's about also more about 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:34.080 can be about nature and about isolation. It's not a party, 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:38.360 whereas I would argue that death metal is maybe more 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:44.239 of communal music. Do you think that black metal bands 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.919 take themselves more seriously than death metal bands? Death? Is 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.880 death metal more much more tongue in cheek. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.400 I think it's just more about fun and fantasy. I 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:56.599 don't think any I've yet to meet a death metal 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:02.240 musician who wasn't a and sunny person. And I'm not 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.800 even kidding. Yeah, I mean any that I've ever known 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.320 have been in sharp contrast to black metal. Yeah, though 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:16.440 there I have met some very lighthearted black metal musicians also, 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:21.719 But the stereotype or the general rule would be there humorless. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:27.400 Is there a particular black metal song or riff you 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.960 could you could do right now to shoot shows what 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.520 you're talking about? Well, I would say the stairw in 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.599 my opinion, the stairway to Heaven of of black metal 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:43.600 would be Freezing Moon by Mayhem, which I think goes 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:49.440 up if you want to sound metal or sound black metal, 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.960 how do you sing? It's more like with death meton 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.800 a lot of metal you're singing, you know, death metal 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.960 is more like cookie monster like words like you know 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.440 a lot of that, and with black metal it's more 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.000 a lot a lot of it is more like like 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:15.240 more just higher and uh and just sounds much crazier 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.839 in my opinion, Can you can you sing and play 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:22.320 something death metally in that? I want to hear that, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.880 that voy those two, those two voices, the death versus 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.960 there trying to think of like you know, there'd be 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.560 a lower like that and black metal will be more 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:36.600 like but is that really hard to do? No, especially 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.599 as sloppy as I'm doing it, it's not. But but 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.839 more of that where it's open and you're because usually 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.080 in metal, in any sort of power like in rock, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.640 you wouldn't use the the third of the chord, the 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.760 minor third, but but you you do. You there's a 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.000 lot more of that and in black metal. We'll be 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:05.720 back with more broken record after the We're back with 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.840 broken record. The key figures in Norwegian black Metal are 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.520 Uronymous who was in Mayhem, and Vargue Victorous, who actually 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.400 murdered Uronymous and who now lives in France and occasionally 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:23.080 posts nasty videos on YouTube. These are not pleasant people. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.520 All of this is detailed in a book called Lords 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:30.480 of Chaos, The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.640 which I have to say is the most unintentionally bananas 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.080 rock and roll book I've ever read, and which I 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.360 was required to read as a condition of Dave granting 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:45.040 me this interview. Is now is Mayhem. Their first sort 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.760 of signature anti social movie is the church burnings. They're 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.880 burning down these no Way, I guess is rife with 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.080 two thousand year old wooden yeah churches, And this is 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.480 one of the things that's so unintentionally hilarious about them. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:05.240 They've decided that the great foe of civilized world, the 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.800 civilized rule, is Christianity, even though of course no one 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.040 goes to church in Norway, right, It's like the least 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.880 Christian country in Western Europe. So this subculture has grown 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:21.960 up in defiance of something that basically doesn't exist. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.800 Like they're burning churches that no one attends. So varg 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.840 varg Victorius is the kind of what is is there 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.200 is there an analogy to our Victorius in American society. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.320 He would be like the Charles Manson. He's a Charlie 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.720 Manson basically. Yeah, yeah, I did have people know who 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:44.800 he is. Yeah, responsible for several murders. Well, again it 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:49.400 depends who you asked. He didn't know. I think he 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.240 is really only I know just one murder. Just he 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.120 murdered Uronymous for the guitar player from me. Oh, that's right. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.480 And dad took his own life dead yeah, but prior 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:05.280 yeah dead who was the singer was Swedish singer from 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.400 a band called Morbid. He was a singer in Mayhem 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.440 and he, yeah, took his own own life and when 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.920 he he he this is very very graphic and gross. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.959 But he put a gun to his head and didn't 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.800 Uronymous come across the body and then take two pieces 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.240 of his skull and make necklaces out of them. Yeah, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.480 supposedly said apography. Was that true? I think the necklace 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:35.160 thing is true. But then you know, there was rumors 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.160 that he took pieces of the brain, because you know, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.400 he's dead, shot himself with the shotgun and there's brain 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.560 splattered all over and you know, so there were rumors 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:50.040 that he cooked and ate some of the brain, but 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:55.160 I don't think that's true. I mean that's supposedly just lore. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.800 But but the necklace thing is supposedly true. And they 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:05.679 mayhem in a famous concert had pigsheads on steaks. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.720 there's pigs I mean sometimes, but gorg Roth did that too. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.280 Or it's like a thing, it's a thing. Yeah. Good. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.840 You know, if you can't get pigs heads, you sheep heads. 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.400 And there was some band I don't know if it 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:22.079 was Wattain from Sweden. I don't mean it wasn't them. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.800 There was some black metal band not from Norway who 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.880 got so much animal blood all over a club that 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.679 the club had to go out of business. And I 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:38.960 would say that's taking it too far. That's very black, yeah, 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.760 and and unsanitary. I would say the uh oh, yes. 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.000 Here's the reference into the pigs heads. And this is 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:52.400 from an interview with Bard. Bard was the drummer from 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.280 He was also known as Faust. He was the drummer 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:01.520 from from Emperor and is quote's unquoting for but I 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.760 remember at the gig one person ate some piece of 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.880 the pighead, which was very old, so he got very sick. Yeah, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.480 and that that what you just read. I mean that 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.120 I cannot The first two hundred pages of Lords of 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.520 Kans are full of gems like that. I mean, it's 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.120 it is one of the most extraordinary reads. So this 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.439 is a history of essentially, it's really a history of 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.960 Norwegian black metal, although it has pretensions otherwise, but at 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.600 its core and it sort of traces the lives of 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.319 all of these through interviews of all of these key 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:39.839 figures in the scene, and especially Vark the Charles Manson. Yeah, 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.920 he's in there quite a bit. First, have you met No, 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.559 I don't want to meet him. That would I would 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.880 not want that. Why because he's too evil? Yeah, I 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:55.120 just you know, I don't. As much as I enjoy 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:59.040 all this, you know, I'm kind of a softy and 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:04.319 I really don't want to be around a guy like that. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.440 Here is Vark is my favorite arg quote, and there's 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.640 a lot, I mean, there's a long list of potential candidates. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.600 But he gets put in prison and the first thing 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.400 he does is he gets really angry and he lashes 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.000 out and he says, it's much too nice here. It's 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.920 not hell at all. In this country, prisoners get a bed, toilet, 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.280 and shower. It's completely ridiculous. I asked the police to 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.320 throw me in a real dungeon and also encourage them 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:34.040 to use violots. Yeah that's I mean, it's very typical arc. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.960 that I mean, that's gold right there. So you read 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:44.720 this Lords of Chaos in and do you decide that 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.800 you would like to get in contact? Yeah, I someone 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.800 from that scene. Well, yeah, I was reading this book 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:55.360 and I found it fascinating on tons of levels, you know, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:00.280 being a fan of metal, but then also love the 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.600 absurdity of some of the things you just said, Like 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:07.480 what you know, there's hell vat I'm not pronouncing it 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:12.480 with the record store, so it's still But anyways, so 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.840 this store that Uronymous opened, at one point he said like, yeah, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.800 we wanted to give all the customers torches to walk 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.679 around to see, but then we realized that wasn't practical 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.679 because it would melt the vinyl if they got it. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.840 And for someone to say something like that with with 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:34.840 just like dead serious, just no irony Whatso it was 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:39.320 just to me, this does not get funnier. I found 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.160 the book just completely entertaining in that way with tons 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.240 of stuff, and yeah, so it became fascinated. And so 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:51.400 somewhere around the early two thousands, just to entertain myself, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:59.040 I started going down. There was a website called FMP 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.679 six six six, I think Full Moon Productions, and I 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.080 think this site is still up and it's they're not 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.080 out of business. But there was like a mail order 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.319 for black metal stuff, and so I just started emailing 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.280 bands and labels and stuff just for my own fun, 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.960 like making crank calls. Only you know, at this point, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:21.280 I'm a grown man and I'm questioning how black these 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.160 guys are and saying, you know, I actually my band 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:29.720 witch Taint. I called myself Lance, a teenager from Gary, 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.160 Indiana who lives with his mother and has the most 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.600 extreme black metal band of all time called witch Taint, 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.840 which in America, I think, you know, people know taint 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.960 is slang for the perennium, which is interesting as now 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.240 we do this witch Taint live show, and we've taken it, 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:53.640 you know, we've done it in London, Oslo, in Germany, 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.840 and they don't have the same they don't have that work. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.440 They don't have they don't they missed the nuance, so 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.880 I have to explain it. So then they're like, oh, 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:08.480 that's a great band name once I explain it. But anyway, 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.320 so it was that on the orders of that day, 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.240 and when you you're obviously the competition. We're in the 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.480 world of black metal, the name of your band is 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.880 obviously of enormous importance. Sure it just I mean, it 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.120 doesn't really matter what your band name is. If you're 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.600 doing you know, all rock, it can be anything obscure. Yeah, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.800 I mean they're I mean, Spoon come one, great band, 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.720 but come on, yeah, but the Snakes are really super 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.960 high when it comes to band naming. And I'm just 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.920 curious about So your feeling was that which Taint was was, 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:46.040 as was the kind of apotheosis of black metal band 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:50.240 names in terms of what this character in my mind 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.960 Lance Lance, you know. And I don't want to pat 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:58.680 myself on the back too much, but I will say 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.920 that all of this came to me and so clearly 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.840 when I was started doing it that I did not 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.480 think for a second about what the band name should be. Literally, 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.840 as I was typing and making it up, I named 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.280 the band Witch Taint as if it had been in 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.400 me forever and I'm in it. I believe it to 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.560 be the greatest band name of all time to this day. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:29.640 Why it's very good. Why Why was Lance from Gary, Indiana. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.520 I didn't really know anything about Gary, Indiana other than 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:38.560 that's where Michael Jackson and his family were from. And 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.800 so to my mind, I thought it was just like 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:46.680 this white bread American town, which I don't think is 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.080 quite the reality at all. Oh, it's like a post 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.920 industrial wasteland, right, and which I didn't I didn't know that, 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.040 but it was too. I love that you're from Cleveland, Yeah, 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.480 and you feel the need to go somewhere else to 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.439 get a post industrial wastement. Yeah, well, because I thought, 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:09.720 like you know, and the perception on the mean streets 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:14.240 of Cleveland in northeastern Ohio in general is that Indiana 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.080 is much softer. So I think that's where my mind went. 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:23.040 And Lance, you're emailing around and someone takes debate. Yeah, 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:28.479 this label called Planet Satan Revolution, I thought that I 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.639 was emailing. They were putting out records by this band 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:37.240 from Oslo called Mysticome, which is an industrial black metal 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.320 band whose music I've still never heard. I should stress 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.520 to you fifteen years later, but they only put out 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.760 one album in twelve years. Yeah, yeah, well that's I mean, 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.200 that's a big thing with black metal, and I think 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.080 it has worked for a witch Taint as well. The 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.040 less music you actually produced and the less she performed. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.320 Ideally you should never perform live, but the less you 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:05.880 do is almost the more you do, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:15.000 we'll be back with more Broken Record after this. We're 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:19.399 back with Broken Record and the ever Darkening encounter between 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.240 Lance from Gary, Indiana aka the King of black Metal 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:32.359 and Matthias aka Satan, Norwegian black metal empresario. So the 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.840 first email and anyone can read all these emails at 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:41.159 the black Metaldialogues dot com. The first email was I 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.159 thought I was emailing the band, so I'm insulting the band. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.679 And then the guy writes back saying, this is you know, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.639 the label, and that's when I decide, well, I'm going 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.520 to try to get signed to the label with this 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.240 band that doesn't exist, witch Taint. And by the time 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.199 I'm emailing this guy, it's it's been going on for 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.399 a couple of years that I've been emailing, but just 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.639 very casually. It'd be like late at night to be 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.760 getting ready for bed. I'd be like, let's email black 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.600 metal band, insult them just for no read, you know, 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.480 like you would make a crank call. I'm pathetic, I 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.760 admit it. So I started emailing this guy at Planet 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.240 Satan Revolution and just kind of telling him about how 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.200 extreme my band was. You say that you had heard 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.560 about this band, Mysticum, and you had heard they were 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.960 very black, and then you listen to them. Wait, I 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.879 think we have to you have to read. Do you 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.000 have them? Can you read? I can pull it up, 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.360 you put just pull it up and read the the 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:45.760 crucial section of that first email. So the first email, 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.480 So I send this email from my email address at 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.080 the time, mister lou Rawls at aol dot com. By 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:56.200 the way, how is that not a dad giveaway? Does 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.320 he not? Does he not Google Lou Rolls and understand 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.840 that you can't be the blackest I would, yeah, you 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:08.400 would think first. Okay, So here's the email, subject Mysticum 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:13.320 question mark. Hey Mysticum, guys. I got your email off 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.359 the internet. I was surprised someone in a black metal 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.640 band would use email, but whatever, I guess we can't 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:21.919 expect you guys to live in caves. All the time. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.200 If you were serious about black metal, you would though. Anyway, 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.800 the reason I am writing is because I was wondering 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.119 if there were two bands called Mysticome or something. The 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.919 reason I ask is because my friend Todd told me 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.439 about a band called Mysticum that were really heavy and 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.679 extreme and that I should totally check them out. So 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.000 I went out and bought your record and all I 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.760 got was this total pussy metal instead. Is there another 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.119 band called mysticm that I should know about? I'm really 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.320 into super heavy and extreme black metal, so if there 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.959 is another Mysticme that plays this this kind of music, 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.240 I would really like to know. Don't get me wrong, 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.359 I'm sure tons of chicks did what you guys are doing, 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:08.520 but I'm into some serious shit, not this strummy bullshit 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.600 you guys seem to be into. Anyway, let me know 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.920 if you have heard of these guys. Are you guys 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:20.600 on MTV Dark Regards Lance aka the King of Black Metal? Right? 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.400 What is the time that elapses between when you send 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.960 that email and when Satan response? So I write on 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:32.200 November nineteenth, two thousand and four, five forty three pm. 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:37.680 On November twentieth, two thousand and four, eight forty eight. Am, Oh, 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.879 he's right on it and he is an Oslo, remember, Yeah, 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.879 so we do the time change. He's yeah, he's on 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.359 it fast and he do you want me to read 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:51.280 what he wrote? Yeah? Read the Matthiasa's response. Just to 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:56.080 be clear, these emails, there are thousands and thousands of 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.080 words of ease emails. They go on epic. It went 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.880 on first six months. Yeah, and I think you can 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.560 read all of it in about half an hour maybe, 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.879 but yeah, no, it's thousands of words. So he writes back, Hi, 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:15.200 exclamation point, so right away. Not very black metal. First 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.840 of all, I find your email a bit bare faced 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:21.480 and strange, but I have decided to answer you anyway. 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.280 You have now come to the label address of the 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.120 extreme Mysticum band. We have never heard about the pussy 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:32.840 Ones you mentioned about. Label name is Planet Satan Revolution 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:38.120 all caps. Check out www dot Mysticum dot com. Under 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.400 release this link you can download the debut album from 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:45.040 nineteen ninety six for free. If you are interested in 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.119 ordering this masterpiece of black grimness, let me know. I 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.760 am soon sold out, so be quick. I like that. 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.320 So he's kind of hit, you know, he's staying on message. 0:22:56.400 --> 0:23:00.160 Oh yeah, yeah, he's selling selling. This band is as 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:05.240 a cult act originally signed Touronymous, Uronymous prenzes, rip of 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:11.280 Mayhem's own label, Deathlike Silence Productions, parentheses DSP. And since 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:15.200 you're claiming to be a quote unquote real black metaler, 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:18.920 you should know that famous history of what happened with him. 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.600 If you're into real black metal, you should also know 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:25.680 that email addresses has nothing to do I'm reading there's 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:27.639 a bit of English as a second language in here. 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.040 As you can here to do with being quote unquote 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.920 true or not, you have won yourself. Mysticum has been 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:37.320 in the underground for twelve years, so we know what 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.960 we're talking about here. There is nothing wrong in using 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:45.840 emails to spread the disease. Living in a cave has 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.720 nothing to do with black metal at all. As long 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.320 as you are dealing with satanic and occult things, believe 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.040 in what you are doing, you can do whatever you want. 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.640 Of course, Mysticum has never been on MTV and never 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:02.560 will be. Such music are not loved by the MTV 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:06.080 crew and too extreme to be on a channel that 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:12.800 only sends crappy, happy, sellout shit dark regards. He steals 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.600 my salutation right out of the gate for Planet Satan Revolution, 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:24.120 say Tom, managing director again back, he's a businessman, yeah, 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:29.160 he writes back, defending his business model for putting out 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:33.399 mist Coom records. Basically, so, I write back, dear say Tom, 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:35.800 I see your point. If you're going to put something 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.359 into something, in this case a record by a bunch 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:41.600 of pussies called mysticm then you should get something out 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:44.639 of it too, some money and also a reputation for 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.240 working with pussies like the guys in Mysticum. I don't 0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.399 like the idea of everyone, or anyone for that matter, 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:55.159 being happy. As you mentioned, though, that is exactly what 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.760 I'm saying. Black metal has nothing to do with being happy. 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.840 It should make you want to live in darkness, perhaps 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:04.879 with a babbling brook nearby that would mock you in 0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:08.240 the night. But I fear I am being too harsh. 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.600 I realize you may not think that Mystic Come are 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.720 a bunch of pussies, but that is probably because yet 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.399 you have yet to hear my band Witch Taint. In 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:19.679 a perfect world, black metal would exist totally in the mind, 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:23.359 as it does with me. Much of the time. We 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.200 would hear the black sounds pouring through our brain as 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:28.840 we sit in darkness, or maybe there could be a 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:33.560 torch nearby. This is true black metal. A compromise might 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.320 be just having bands play in the woods, and there 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:39.239 could be a bonfire, and a select few would be 0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:42.680 permitted to hide behind trees and listen to the band's 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:46.960 perform I realize, however, that this is impractical and it 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:50.080 would be awkward if everybody ran into each other later 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:53.080 at the grocery store or something. It is hard to 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:57.000 be truly black when shopping for groceries, which is why 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:01.640 I rarely eat unless I absolutely have to. It goes 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:07.480 on from there, and then the wonderful turn is when 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:11.840