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Speaker 1: Ones you mentioned about. Label name is Planet Satan Revolution

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Speaker 1: So I finally decide my friend John Kimber I go

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Speaker 1: send to send it. It's called Necro dream Raper my character.

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Speaker 1: We're not talking about sexual assault, We're talking more of

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Speaker 1: I said, three minutes and thirty three seconds. So you

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Speaker 1: not it says it is not depressive enough. I did

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Speaker 1: not think to cut myself and so but at the

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Speaker 1: end of it, he says, send me some more tracks

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Speaker 1: challenge for Witch Taint. It took thirteen years. Finally we

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Speaker 1: have it a record. Witch Taint Sons of Midwestern Darkness

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Speaker 1: Satan's long wait is over. Here's their song Are You

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Speaker 1: Ready to Black? Metal? Broken record is produced by Justin

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Speaker 1: Richmond and Jason Gambrell with help from Bruce Headlam, Mia Lovel,

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Speaker 1: Jaquita Baskill, Jacob Smith, Julia Barton, Jacob Weisberg, and of

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Speaker 1: course Rick Rubin. Special thanks this week to A. C. Valdez.

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Speaker 1: To hear the songs featured in today's episode, check out

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Speaker 1: Broken Record podcast dot com. This show is brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Pushkin Industries. I'm Malcolm Godwo. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: If you get any you know, there's probably gonna people

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Speaker 1: forward those to my AOL address, we will defend you

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