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Speaker 1: Welcome to everybody to a TGIF edition of Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: Thank god it's Friday. Could be TGIFF, thank god it

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Speaker 1: is football Friday. You could throw into their f in there,

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Speaker 1: but we can't say that on the radios, so we won't.

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Speaker 1: There won't be any football this weekend. Well in your household,

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Speaker 1: there won't be, but there will be in mine because

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Speaker 1: the Harris one hundred has to be finished. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: John Harris, football analyst and sideline reporter, going to this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'll do other than that, but

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Speaker 1: joining me to tell everybody what they're gonna do is

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Speaker 1: Mark Vanni remark, how are you doing withdrawal? That is

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Speaker 1: what's happening. Everybody's going through it. Look even last weekend

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Speaker 1: and the weekend before, right, you had the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 1: so you were bathed in that. But last week you're

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Speaker 1: waiting around for the super Bowl. And it's exciting the

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Speaker 1: super bowls about to go down. But kind of I

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Speaker 1: like the divisional weekend. I like that wildcard weekend. I

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Speaker 1: like hot and cold running games. You know what I like?

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Speaker 1: Best of all, Johnny, the NFL postseason was unbelievable. I

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Speaker 1: mean you couldn't do better than that, I would think,

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Speaker 1: But there's still nothing like the regular season. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: like everybody playing and all the drama that goes down

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Speaker 1: on a given Sunday. I just love that. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember when Sunday Ticket was introduced? Yes? When was it?

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Speaker 1: I was like early os maybe nineties. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I feel like it was a little bit later than that,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like I feel like Red Zone and

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Speaker 1: Sunday Ticket just changed life in the NFL. At that point,

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Speaker 1: you could get any game you wanted. You could watch

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Speaker 1: whatever game you wanted. I mean, if you're up in

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Speaker 1: the well, the Seahawks has been good, but you know,

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Speaker 1: there were times. I know I lived in the two thousands,

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Speaker 1: mid two thousands in the Carolinas, and there were times

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Speaker 1: where the Panthers weren't that great. Were two thousand and one,

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Speaker 1: I think there were one in sixteen. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I would love to see a different game. I would

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Speaker 1: love to see a different game, but unfortunately couldn't do

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Speaker 1: that because you have Sunday Ticket. Didn't have Red Zone,

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Speaker 1: but now you have it, and we obviously can't use

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Speaker 1: it every single week because we're traveling or we'll put

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Speaker 1: our own game, obviously, but as soon as you get home,

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Speaker 1: I do this. I don't know if you do this, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I do this. I got on my phone on the

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Speaker 1: way home, and as soon as Sean and Clinton go

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Speaker 1: to a commercial, I go to my phone and I

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Speaker 1: have Red Zone on. So I'm just listening to it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not watching it as I drive. I'm just listening

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Speaker 1: to it through my car and getting a vibe what's

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Speaker 1: going on. Then when I get home, I'm able to listen.

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Speaker 1: I go to NFL Radio during those moments, and they

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Speaker 1: do an audio red Zone that's really cool, which I

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Speaker 1: would I would much rather listen to because I like

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Speaker 1: I like the audio guys. I love the fact that

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Speaker 1: Dan Horde got to call Super Bowl. I do too,

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Speaker 1: but I'm jealous and envious and bitter and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Now he got to call not only that, but Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: the Bearcats. He does there. What a year he had?

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Speaker 1: So he had the Final four in football and then

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Speaker 1: he had the Super Bowl in NFL Final four him,

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Speaker 1: he had a year. That's that's a that's a never

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Speaker 1: forget what they win either one. Still, you got there,

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Speaker 1: and that's nice to get there. By the way nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety four for direct TV. Really yeah, but ninety four,

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Speaker 1: but red Zone not until two thousand and nine. I

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Speaker 1: knew red Zone was after but man, ninety four, that's

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Speaker 1: going back a ways. On Direct TV Sunday ticket so

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Speaker 1: you could watch any game you want. Remember satellite TV. Look,

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Speaker 1: I sold advertising on cable television in the mid eighties,

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Speaker 1: and I remember satellite TV. We would actually take the

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Speaker 1: advertising for Hey, try satellite TV. You get all these

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Speaker 1: channels and it's crazy cool and it was a competitor,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't care because you're only siphoning off a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And the satellite dishes were huge, right, they

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Speaker 1: were the size of Flying Saucers or rog Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: then Direct TV. I don't know if they were the

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Speaker 1: first company, but they made them smaller and it became

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Speaker 1: a thing. But they picked up that Sunday ticket package

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Speaker 1: and you're right, you could watch another game. But man,

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Speaker 1: back in the day, you were waiting every ten minutes

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Speaker 1: for the scores to pop up, like in the eighties

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Speaker 1: watching NFL football where the scores, Yeah, you're waiting every

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Speaker 1: network feed. And all you were getting was whatever game

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Speaker 1: they decided you were getting it, and you had no say,

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Speaker 1: no control over the situation, no matter how much you're paying.

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Speaker 1: And that was tough compared to today's world, where I'm

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Speaker 1: putting red Zone into my veins. It's intravenous. I just

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Speaker 1: plug it in from Axfinity, Bam red Zone and I'm

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Speaker 1: enjoying that. Think about this, youngsters, how long does it

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Speaker 1: take for you to know game time and situation when

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Speaker 1: you turn a game on instantly? Right? Oh yeah? And

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Speaker 1: how long did it take you in the nineties for

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Speaker 1: the announcer to sit there forever for them to either

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Speaker 1: tell you or for them to go to a break

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Speaker 1: and then put what's the score? What's the score? I

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Speaker 1: remember in the All mad I was watching the All

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Speaker 1: Madden UM, the All Madden documentary, and Fox was the

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Speaker 1: first one to come up with a score bug. They

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Speaker 1: put it up in the top left corner and Maddness

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Speaker 1: is showing everybody, Yeah, it's just we're gonna show you

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Speaker 1: the score and it's gonna stay up there a whole time,

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Speaker 1: so you know, you know, Pat doesn't have to tell

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Speaker 1: you what this the score is. And he was just

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Speaker 1: hearing him say that and you're like, it sounds revolutionary

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Speaker 1: in some sense, but it's like tell people what the

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Speaker 1: score is without having to tell them what the score is.

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Speaker 1: Just leave that sucker up there. And then of course

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Speaker 1: everybody like, yeah, it's like a yellow line. You can't

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Speaker 1: watch a game now without the yellow line and go, well,

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Speaker 1: where's the first down? You got? Yellow line goes out

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Speaker 1: during the game, people are lost, like, wait, where's the

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Speaker 1: the first down? That yellow line just changed everything. But

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Speaker 1: back in the night, you're right now, I think about

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Speaker 1: it because I remember saying to my wife, Honey, I

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Speaker 1: want to get direct TV. I want to get direct TV.

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Speaker 1: I want to get South, but the satellites are so

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Speaker 1: massive at that point. Of course, direct TV changed things

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Now everybody gets red zone, so it's fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course everybody gets red zone, and so does YouTube TV,

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Speaker 1: and I'm very very happy for that. Now, today is

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Speaker 1: the twentieth anniversary of something I know is near and

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Speaker 1: dear to your heart. You actually wrote about this today, Mark,

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Speaker 1: But today's the twentieth anniversary of the Texans expansion draft.

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Speaker 1: And I have a lot of I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions. Okay, I really I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: you're waiting to see who they're gonna pick, who they're

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Speaker 1: it's sweet, Like it's such a surprise. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that just makes it that much more fun. Was

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Speaker 1: the Expansion Draft that way? Was there a surprise element

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Speaker 1: to it? Like the Texans in the third round of

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Speaker 1: the Expansion Draft select Seth Payne. Yes, well, as I

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Speaker 1: recall guys like Seth Paint, Gary Walker, Aaron Glenn, Marcus Coleman,

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Speaker 1: you knew they were available, and you knew they were

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Speaker 1: coming right right. There was no way they were not

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Speaker 1: going to take Aaron Glen because you knew he was available.

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Speaker 1: Each team had to make five players available. If the

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Speaker 1: Texans picked two players from any team, then that team

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Speaker 1: can take the other three back. Right, But teams are

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Speaker 1: trying to get rid of their cap problems, if you will.

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Speaker 1: I Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman were really good players

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Speaker 1: yet a lot of teams trying to clean up the cap,

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Speaker 1: especially the Jaguars, who were about twenty eight million over

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Speaker 1: the cap. So they made not only Tony Bisselli available

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Speaker 1: fact that they made Walker and Paint available as long

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Speaker 1: as the Texans took Bisselli, because that's three players from

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Speaker 1: the Jags, they could have taken people back. Basselly went first.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the order really mattered here because the

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Speaker 1: RG Stadium is not constructed yet, remember, so they held

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Speaker 1: it down there so you knew who was coming in basically.

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Speaker 1: But it was still very cool because the Texans had

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Speaker 1: all these events leading up to the first game, and

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Speaker 1: that took years Obviously you had the unveil of the

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Speaker 1: So that was a monumental deal. February eighteen, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and two. The draft itself, how many players nineteen nineteen

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Speaker 1: nineteen players, Well, I guess you're I mean building the

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Speaker 1: The rules were this, they had to take either thirty

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Speaker 1: that were inexpensive, which is kind of what the Browns

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Speaker 1: did in ninety nine. Remember that's four modern era or

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Speaker 1: post nineteen ninety expansion teams. He had the Panthers, the Jags,

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Speaker 1: That's four teams. And the rules were different for the

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Speaker 1: they were for the Texans. And Charlie casually was like,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to take a lot of players who

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Speaker 1: fill up the thirty with guys who can't play. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna take guys we think can play. Their contracts are

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Speaker 1: a little more, of course, but they can play for us.

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Speaker 1: And they also didn't want anybody over thirty or was

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Speaker 1: for quality over quantity. That's interesting you bring it up

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Speaker 1: because I remember when the Panthers and Jaguars did their

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Speaker 1: expansion drafts back because I was in jacksonvill at that time.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars focused on young guys. It was almost entirely

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Speaker 1: through the expansion draft, if I remember correctly, was Steve Burline.

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Speaker 1: Was Steve Burlin's gonna end up being the quarterback. That's

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Speaker 1: obviously where they have sunk most of their expansion draft money.

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Speaker 1: But the contrast to that was the Panthers. The Panthers

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Speaker 1: that was how they built it. So they went the

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Speaker 1: Panthers went veterans, The Jaguars went young guys, and then

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Speaker 1: it turns out they make a trade. I think he

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Speaker 1: gave a fourth round of the Green Bay Packers for

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Speaker 1: some guy named Brunelle, and Mark Brunell comes in and

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Speaker 1: he backs up Steve Burlin ends up taking a job

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Speaker 1: from him at some point, becomes the starter, becomes a legend,

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Speaker 1: and the rest is history. But the Panthers, they then

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Speaker 1: Jaguars did, but they did a bunch of veterans. But

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Speaker 1: then they added Carrie Collins to the mix to be

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Speaker 1: position like that and people ask my advice or thought

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00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: I could help out in any way, that's the least

429
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: that you can do, is just try to help up.

430
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: Because it's hard to do. Man. It's a you know,

431
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 1: playing just playing a game at the NFL level is accomplishment.

432
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: And then when you're talking about putting a career together

433
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: and trying to be successful because the competition isn't thick.

434
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what I'm doing down there in Nebraska,

435
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 1: or did last year. And you know, we'll see if

436
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: I go back this year. I think, you know, obviously

437
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 1: they haven't even got back in school yet, so it's

438
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: nothing that's going to be on the horizon. But you know,

439
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: mainly it's a you know, I'm good to try to

440
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: help out the game as much as possible. Yeah, you

441
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: just brought this. This interview is about you, but you

442
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: just brought up your father, Chuck Foreman, running back. For

443
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: those that don't know, the nineteen seventies, the Minnesota Vikings,

444
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean they were one of the Krem de la

445
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: Krem in the NFL during that period, playing a lot

446
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: of Super Bowls. So, yeah, you're right, your dad is

447
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: one of the greats, and he does deserve a lot

448
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: more consideration for sure. Yeah, tell me about coming into

449
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: the NFL. You leave Nebraska, you go to the Buffalo Bills.

450
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: Steadily you get better year by year. You spent three

451
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: years with him. Your final year there you get over

452
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: one hundred tackles and then you are in original Texan,

453
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: but you're not. Everybody knows this. You were traded to

454
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: the Texans. So what was that like? Tell me about

455
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: that transition, because I think people people assumed, you know,

456
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 1: they saw what you did with the Texas. You were

457
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: one of the leaders on that great defense. We can

458
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: say it now. It was a great defense wins and losses.

459
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: It didn't translate because of some stuff going on on

460
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: the offensive side the boat. You guys were a hell

461
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: of a defense. You were one of their leaders, but

462
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: you were not one of the expansion draftees. Right. Yeah.

463
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: You know It's funny is the internet was very uh

464
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: immature at that Yeah, I think you know, you know

465
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: where you you know, the whole thing is, you know,

466
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: you can try to get right you haven't, try to

467
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: build yourself up and then maybe get a tender at

468
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: that time, which is uh, you know, a fourth year contract.

469
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: I was a late round draft choice and and like

470
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 1: you said, steady worked my way up, played a few

471
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: games my rookie year, started a lot in my second year,

472
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: got a new coach, did pretty well, you know, and

473
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: then the only thing that you could get on the

474
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: internet back then and we had dial up, you know,

475
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: so we had no no Wi FI was to get

476
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: on I think a website kaffl dot com, and you

477
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: know that's where you get your free agency news. And

478
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: so the expansion Draft went. Um. They usually had to

479
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: notify you whether you were going to be in it,

480
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: and I never got notified because I was a restrictive

481
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: free agent, so they really couldn't, but they could, and

482
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: so you know, they signed a veteran linebacker that had

483
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 1: a previous experience with coach Williams, who was the coach

484
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: at Buffalo at the time, Greg Williams. So I was

485
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: kind of in limbo. But you know, my agent was like,

486
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: you go back there and maybe they'll switch your positions

487
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: and you'll play, and went out there for like the

488
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,239
Speaker 1: first like kind of mini camp at ot as. Then

489
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: they said, before you step out here, it's gonna let

490
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: you know we just traded you for Charlie Rodgers and

491
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: then um, you know, next thing, you know, I think

492
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: that night or that very next morning, I was on

493
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: my way to Houston, which you know, I'd only been

494
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: down to Texas playing and playing in college. And so

495
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: we played down in San Antonio in the Big Twelfth Championship.

496
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: But I've never really been to Texas, and but I

497
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: played with tons of guys from Texas, and you're here.

498
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: I always say this, guys from Texas, it's always bigger

499
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: and better and when you get there. I didn't even

500
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: realize Houston at that time. It was the third largest

501
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: city in the whole the United States, you know, so

502
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm learning on the fly let alone. When I left Buffalo,

503
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: it was considering a hot day. I think it was

504
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: like sixty eight degrees and Sonny get down in Houston,

505
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: I think it was it was it was ninety degrees,

506
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: ninety percent humidity, and Don was a coach. I didn't

507
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: really know what was going on. The best thing I

508
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: think that could have happened to me was, um, Chris

509
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 1: Brown had just signed as a free agent, I think

510
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh as a kicker. Me and him played together,

511
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: so that's good. You have a familiar face even though

512
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: he's a kicker. He you know, obviously we're not in

513
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: the same you know, position group room, but you still

514
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: know him and each other since we've been eighteen And

515
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: then I knew Collie Wong because in the off season

516
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: I lived in Minneapolis and he down from the Vikings.

517
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: So at least I had some guys I could talk

518
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: to and converse, and I knew all the players that

519
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: they picked up, you know, just you know, they were

520
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: all you know, Seth Payne, Jamie Sharper, Aaron Glenn, Marcus Coleman,

521
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: Gary Walker, so fourth and so on. So like you know,

522
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: looking to be a you know, good situation or you know,

523
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: playing with some good players. Got down here and you know,

524
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: they threw me in the fire. Reggie Herring was my

525
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: linebacker coach. And if you know anything about Reggie, he

526
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: is definitely intense. And the good thing that I didn't

527
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: know until, you know, middle of the first season was

528
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: he knew my linebacker coach in Buffalo. They must have

529
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: coached together, so he knew kind of what buttons the push,

530
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,239
Speaker 1: and Reggie brought out the best in me. Man, and um,

531
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: I love Reggie to this day. I still, you know,

532
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: text with him, you know, three or four times a year,

533
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: and we really dove in. I got to learn the defense,

534
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: which was you know, very very complex defense, a Dom

535
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: Kaper's three four defense. But once I got there, I

536
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: kind of felt like I took off individually and it

537
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: allowed me to prosper, not only as a player, but

538
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: then also as a leader, you know, be more, you know,

539
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: be a voice. Grow up. I still was a fourth

540
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: year player, So you gotta think Jamie Sharper was a

541
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion. Aaron Glenn was a numerous time pro bowler.

542
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: Marcus Coleman should have Gary Walker's ment a pro bowler.

543
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: Seth Plane was really really good. And so I had

544
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: to find my way. But then once I got in there,

545
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: and I figured, you know, the best thing that I

546
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: can do is show up early every day, work my

547
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: tail off, produce and everything else as far as them

548
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: under you know, welcoming me as the leader. When you're

549
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: the middle linebacker and the play caller, you're just a

550
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: you're the the factor leader, whether you like it or not.

551
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: And then it just kind of was a perfect marriage, man,

552
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: And we played hard for each other. We played, you

553
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: know a lot of great football the first two years,

554
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: and were injuries hit us in the third year. And

555
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: I love those guys. You know, we went through some

556
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: times together where you know, the offense was very lean

557
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 1: and it's a new team, you know, and you were

558
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: kind of you know, new organization. But that we had

559
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of support organization only wise and fan

560
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: base wise. So so that was really good. But uh,

561
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, we had to take it on the chin.

562
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: And every time we see Houston have success, you kind

563
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: of feel like you have a little bit invested in

564
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: it because you know, we were the original guys and

565
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: they make us feel at home too, you know when

566
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: you come back and stuff, and all the players that

567
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: they've or that I've ever came in, you know, contact with,

568
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: you know afterwards, are really really good. So I always

569
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: look back at Houston as a a secondary home. If

570
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: I didn't live in Nebraska, I definitely live in Houston.

571
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: I love going back there. I miss it, you know

572
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: obviously now during the winter here in Nebraska, but I

573
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: love the city of Houston nothing but fond memories. Um.

574
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: Some of my best friends are down there and UM

575
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: and I made a lot of great friends that I

576
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: still talk to yea, UM, and we're you know, hadn't

577
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: been down there for quite some time, but every time

578
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: we see each other, Uh, it's we start right over.

579
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: Like when I see Fred Weary. I love I love

580
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: going back to Alumni week weekend seeing Eric Brown because

581
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: he's the guy he's the he's the one of the

582
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: best personalities character and Kenny Wright, you know you see him,

583
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: Mary Corey Bradford, and then Fred Weary. I love seeing Fred,

584
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: I mean because we used the butt heads all the time,

585
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: but he's a guy at a tremendous amount of respect

586
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: for him as a player as a person. But we

587
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: had it even though we obviously didn't win as much

588
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: as we thought we should or could or whatever the

589
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: situation was, it was never from a lack of effort

590
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: or or or you know, trying to do the right thing,

591
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: and we really bonded. I mean, you gotta think to

592
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: take the leap of faith, whether you got picked up

593
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: in the expansive draft or traded. Ideally, it's not probably

594
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: where you want to go as a as sending player,

595
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: but you get down there and you make it work,

596
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: and you start to build relationships and you go through

597
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: the grind, and you make it the first year, second

598
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: third year, you know, you kind of start to have

599
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: a good foundation, and you know, one of the things

600
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: I wish they could have done was maybe let us

601
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: try to do it one more year because I felt

602
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: like who could have got a little bit more healthy

603
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: on defense? Obviously in few some draft choices or whatever

604
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: they did, and Andre was really he's starting to take off, um,

605
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: and we started to kind of get a little bit

606
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: better on that side of the ball and stuff like that. Um,

607
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: I think we could have really did some things. But

608
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: obviously it worked out, you know, obviously shortly after that,

609
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: and they made the playoffs numerous times, which was great

610
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: to see because definitely the city of Houston definitely, you know,

611
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: obviously deserved, you know, obviously a winner. And you know,

612
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, I always you see it right now, I

613
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: got at my Houston jersey here and Buffalo there. You know,

614
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: I played two more seasons for Giants in San Francisco,

615
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: but these are the only two that I have frame

616
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: and I always you know, think of the Houston uh

617
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: first and foremost. Even um, you know, we're drafted by

618
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, you know, you you bring up

619
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: that defense and it was an expansion team, but it's

620
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: not an expansion defense. If it if it had been

621
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: like a true typical expansion team defense, boy, is this

622
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: the Straits would have been much dire, you know, it

623
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: would have been a lot uglier than than what it

624
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: what it was. But you started out, you guys, and

625
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: the Texans started out on such a high with the

626
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: win over the Cowboys. What's your main weird recollection about

627
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: that night. It's interesting talking you guys that played in it,

628
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: because everyone's got us an odd little memory about that

629
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: night that just stands out above everything else. Right, it

630
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: was a night game and Sunday night where people don't

631
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: understand that. I think Dallas was on hard knocks and

632
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: we scrimmaged them kind of like copractice. And I remember

633
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: there was a thing Emmett Smith was on the bus

634
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, we can run the ball against them,

635
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like, you guys didn't do anything, you know,

636
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: like when we practice, and that that was it. And

637
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: I just remember the tension, the excitement in that locker room.

638
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean you could cut it with a with a

639
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: butter knife. And once Dom Caper said go and we

640
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: started out fast with the defense and we were playing

641
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: at another speed that they hadn't seen us play before.

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Speaker 1: You could see in their eyes that they weren't ready

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Speaker 1: to play. But one of the great things was when

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Speaker 1: Gary I think Gary Walker got that big I think

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Speaker 1: it was either a safety or tackle back there in

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Speaker 1: the end zone out It actually was Seth Payne subject

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Speaker 1: for I don't really don't remember. I do remember that

648
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: because Gary was the next week in the locker room.

649
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: Gary was trying to take credit for it, and Seth

650
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: love mad, and I was like, you two played together

651
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: with Jackson. You shouldn't know. Gary. Gary is always gonna

652
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: be that guy who's gonna push your buttons. Gary had

653
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: the awesome flex on camera. The camera cut, but yes,

654
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: Seth had the sack. Gary was was was flexing and

655
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: I really felt like the ground was shaking. That's how

656
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: That's how wild the crowd was, and it was awesome.

657
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: It was like when you didn't want to leave the field. Obviously,

658
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: I played the national championship games before, and domatold us

659
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a big game. And then I

660
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: really realized how much Houston missed football. Yeah, you know,

661
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: you hear about it, right, and hear about the Oilers

662
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: going to Tennessee, and then it's like always from here, Hey,

663
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: so from Afar and then you know the preseason, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, but when it's Dallas and we got him

665
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: at home Sunday night, it was nothing. Um, there was

666
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: nothing like it. And obviously, you know it's hard to

667
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: replicate that and uh, but it's you get off on

668
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: the start the right foot, you have the confidence. But

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00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: we just weren't able to kind of you know, parlay

670
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: that into numerous wins. But that night is really really special.

671
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: And every time that I get to walk on the field,

672
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: I remember what it was like me walking out for that,

673
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, during the game in Feeland and you couldn't

674
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: see an empty seat. I mean you talk about pregame

675
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: hour half before a game, if you're warming up, I mean,

676
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: it was jam pack and you know it was. It's

677
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: it's great to be a part of history. It's great

678
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: to be part of the early history in Houston. And

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00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I can't say it enough.

680
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: Is like how much I'm you know, missing loved the

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00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: city of Houston and the Texans and uh, you know,

682
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: just to be a part of it, be a part

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00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: of a win against Dallas, which is always fun. And

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Speaker 1: I never really said I like didn't like a team

685
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: or hated a team, but ever since then, I always

686
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: hate Dallas. You know, a lot of a lot of

687
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: my friends, you know, they say they're Dallas Cowboys. Man.

688
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: I got Cowboy fans like May, what's wrong with you?

689
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: You know? And uh, but you know we got one

690
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: up on them. We uh, you know, took them to

691
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Speaker 1: the wood shed. And I'm sure every time that Houston

692
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Speaker 1: gets to hook up with Dallas, you know, I guess

693
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Speaker 1: it brings back some fond memories though that first night, Dag,

694
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Speaker 1: I'm right it does. Nineteen ten, baby, nineteen ten, And

695
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Speaker 1: we will see the Cowboys in twenty twenty two. We

696
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Speaker 1: might see Cavon Thibodeau as a Texan. Let's find out

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Speaker 1: more about him next right here at Texas all Ax.

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Speaker 1: This is all. This is all a welcome back to

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Speaker 1: this Friday edition of Texas All accesses how to learn

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Speaker 1: a little bit about some draft prospects. One of particular,

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Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeau played for the Organ Ducks. Dep City caught

702
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: up with Rob Moseley, who's the editor in chief of

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Speaker 1: ogoducks dot com and back in the day he covered

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Speaker 1: the Ducks for the Registered Guard there in Eugene. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: gonna know the Ducks like Rob Moseley. Here's Deping Rob

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Speaker 1: talking about Cavon Thibodeau and the Ducks. We're continuing our

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Speaker 1: draft series on some of the top twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft prospects from the perspective of those that covered

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Speaker 1: them on the beat. And today I'm joined by Rob Moseley,

710
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: he covers organ football for Goo ducks dot com. You've

711
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Speaker 1: also got a top ranked Twitter handle row at Duck Football.

712
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean, were you like one of the first users

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Speaker 1: of Twitter to snag that? I think I got on

714
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Speaker 1: like two thousand and seven. So yeah, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: one of my most valuable traits is that i'm I'm

716
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: I take advice and some tech guy back, you know,

717
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago told me to get on Twitter, and

718
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Speaker 1: so I just said okay, and I did, and so

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Speaker 1: fortunately I jumped on that handle early. Yeah, you have

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Speaker 1: an A plus Twitter handle at Duck Football. Right, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about Cavon Thibadeaux. He's widely

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Speaker 1: projected to be one of the top picks and this

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Speaker 1: year's draft, and he's even been projected to go number

724
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Speaker 1: three to the Houston Texans with some of these mock

725
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: drafts that have come out recently. What do you think

726
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: his best asset is when he lines up on the

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Speaker 1: field and what might separate him from some of the

728
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: other defensive players at the top of the board. Yeah,

729
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: he's just incredibly athletic. You know, his flexibility is top notch.

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Speaker 1: So his ability to kind of bend at the waist

731
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Speaker 1: and get low and get around the edge is you know,

732
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Speaker 1: unlike anything I've really seen before covering a player day

733
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Speaker 1: to day. So yeah, just that explosiveness off the line.

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Speaker 1: He's just he's he's different. You know, this is Oregon football.

735
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Speaker 1: You know, the last twenty years or so has been

736
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Speaker 1: pretty good and has put out some pretty good players.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dion Jordan a few years ago, although he

738
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Speaker 1: didn't have ended up having a great pro career, was

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00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: a high level prospect. And yeah, I mean I think

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Speaker 1: Kat's there may not be an equal to him in

741
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Speaker 1: terms of a guy with that ability off the edge,

742
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: that kind of explosive athleticism off the edge. I mean,

743
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: he's obviously an elite pass rusher, he's good against the run.

744
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: He seems to do all of it really really well.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's better suited for a three to

746
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: four or a four three defensive end? Where where do

747
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: you foresee him fitting in? If you had to guess,

748
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: I do know that we saw him move around a

749
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: lot here and have success. I mean he could play

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00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: on the edge and drop back into coverage. You know.

751
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: That's Tim Druter, the defensive coordinator here the last couple

752
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: of years, you know, really liked that kind of positional

753
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: flexibility he provided, you know, but we also saw times

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00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: over the last three years where he'd move in side

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00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: to a tackle position. You know. I remember against Wisconsin

756
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl, you know, a couple of years ago,

757
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, he moved inside and was taken on, you know,

758
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: a big ten center and winning winning battles at the

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00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. So he really showed at different times

760
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: that he could do a little bit of everything when asked.

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00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: All right, So he's obviously just such a great athlete,

762
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: but his sack numbers are not super high compared to

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Speaker 1: some of the other big defenders in this draft class.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen him play, you've seen him live.

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Speaker 1: Is that a big deal or is there more TOI

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00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Thibadeau that just doesn't show up in the stat sheets

767
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: that were missing? Well, I mean, I think a couple

768
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: of caveats to that would be one. He demanded a

769
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: lot of attention here. I mean, he was you know,

770
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Speaker 1: as any elite pass rusher in a draft class is

771
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: going to be, was the best guy on their team

772
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: and probably commanded some extra attention. So this probably applies

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Speaker 1: to all, you know, all the high level pass rushers

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00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: that are gonna be in this draft class. But yeah,

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00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was definitely getting a lot

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00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: of attention from from opposing blocking schemes, particularly you know,

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00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: this past year. And then the other thing is, you know,

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Speaker 1: he he he missed it felt like, almost half the

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00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: season due to injuries that kept him out of parts

780
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: or all of games, and so that affected his statistical

781
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: totals too, But you know, still a guy who was

782
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, first team All League things like that, you know,

783
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: garnering still a ton of respect from from the players

784
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Speaker 1: he won against. He won the Morris Trophy a couple

785
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: of years ago as the best defensive lineman in the

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Speaker 1: in our conference. And what's notable about that is the

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00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: people who select that are opposing offensive lineman. So he

788
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: definitely had the respect of his peers on the other

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00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: side of the ball around our league. So you know,

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00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: statistics obviously can can help tell a story, but but

791
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: obviously not a complete story. In so, yeah, I think

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00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: one notable thing about him too, is if you look

793
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: at his postseason performances. I mentioned the Rose Bowl against

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin a couple of years ago. If you look at

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Speaker 1: his output in the couple of in the in the

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Speaker 1: pactwelve championship games he did play in his first couple

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Speaker 1: of years, I mean, it was like a couple of

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Speaker 1: sacks of game in those pactwelve championship games. So he

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Speaker 1: had the ability, too, when the lights were shining brightest,

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Speaker 1: to be at his best along those lines. I mean,

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Speaker 1: is there a particular game or a play or a

802
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: matchup that really stands out to you and covering Thibadeaux,

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00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: I think it's really that. I think it's that when

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00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at you know, the fourth

805
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: quarter against Utah when he was a freshman in the

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00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: in the Conference championship game, and then the Rose Bowl

807
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: that year. If you look at the Conference championship game

808
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: against USC in twenty twenty, those were his best moments.

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00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the moments he shined the brightest.

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Speaker 1: And so to sit to have a guy who, when

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Speaker 1: you're going against the best competition on the biggest stages,

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Speaker 1: have those be your most noteworthy performances. I think that

813
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Speaker 1: says something about you know, just just his ability to

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00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: play under pressure and to come through for his team,

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Speaker 1: you know, when they need him. He seems like he's

816
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: really flourished at every every level of football he's ever played,

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00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: at high school, college. What's an instance of adversity you

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00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: think that he's had to overcome and face and that

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Speaker 1: you really thought he came out well on the other

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00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: end of it. Well, I think, I mean, if you

821
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Speaker 1: look at the injuries he had to play through this

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00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: past year and you know, not being able to play

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00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: in the Ohio State game, and how much that must

824
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: have dogged him. And that's you know, he's a guy who,

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00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, once this team lost at Stanford last year,

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00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy who might have said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know I got i got a bright future ahead

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Speaker 1: of me. You know, I'm gonna make sure i'm one

829
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: hundred percent before I get back on the field. And

830
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: that wasn't the case. You know, it was you know,

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Speaker 1: tape up his ankle and get back on the field

832
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: as soon as he could so he could help his team.

833
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: So you know, I thought, I thought, you know, that

834
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: revealed some character there that a guy who obviously has

835
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: such a promising future, and you know, probably had some

836
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: questions about how much do I want to lay it

837
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: on the line at this level, knowing the next levels

838
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: out there. He did it, you know, he went to

839
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: battle with his teammates. So I thought that that was impressive.

840
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm so inttrigued by some of the stuff I've read

841
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: about him personally. It seems like he's really business minded. Yeah,

842
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: he has a collaboration with Nike, he launched his own cryptocurrency.

843
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: What's what's he like to cover off the field, what's

844
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: his personality like? Give us a little insight into him. Yeah,

845
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: he's just He's just a guy with a sense for

846
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: the big picture and a sense for where being in

847
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: a elite the other doors that being an elite athlete

848
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: can open up. And so you know when he when

849
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: he you know, when he was first choosing a college,

850
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: he was interested in media, and so a big part

851
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: of coming to organ was the journalism school here and

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00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: how that might that might help him. And I think

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Speaker 1: when you see how savvy he is, how polished he

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Speaker 1: is in media settings and interview situations, it's because he's

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Speaker 1: been preparing himself to handle those situations well through his education.

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Speaker 1: And when you see you know, him getting into like

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Speaker 1: NFTs and things like that, you know, now it seems

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Speaker 1: like everybody's doing that, but you know, he was one

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Speaker 1: of the first, you know, in partnering with Tinker Hatfield,

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Speaker 1: that the Nike designer to have an NFT. So I

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Speaker 1: think he just he's a guy who and for some people,

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Speaker 1: I think that makes it seem like he's distracted. He's not,

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Speaker 1: you know, perhaps not as focused as some other players.

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Speaker 1: But again, you look at his performances in big games.

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Speaker 1: You know he you know, he comes through for his team,

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Speaker 1: so he I think he makes some other sacrifices in

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Speaker 1: his life socially, things like that, so that he can

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Speaker 1: be ready on the football field, but then also indulge

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Speaker 1: these other interests that yeah, just make him a really

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Speaker 1: worldly guy, a really polished guy, really poised guy. I

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Speaker 1: always say, you know, covering college kids is such an

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Speaker 1: interesting age cohort because I use the word kids, and

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Speaker 1: some guys show up here and they're still very much kids,

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Speaker 1: and some guys show up here and they're very much

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Speaker 1: already young adults. And Katie was in the latter category

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Speaker 1: when he got here. He had a presence about him,

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Speaker 1: a poise, a maturity about him that you know, this

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Speaker 1: is a guy who has has a level of focus

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Speaker 1: and a level of direction that some other guys are

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Speaker 1: still trying to find when they get to college. It

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Speaker 1: seems like that might be an asset to him. And

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Speaker 1: going through the combine and the draft process, just meeting

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Speaker 1: with teams and getting these interviews, the fact that, like

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Speaker 1: you said that he is so poised and polished, would

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Speaker 1: it not, Yeah, yeah, I would think so. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, hey, there's there's some football guys

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Speaker 1: for whom if you're thinking about anything but football at

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Speaker 1: any point in your day, you're wasting your time, right

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Speaker 1: And so I can you know, I can understand how

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying I agree with this point

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Speaker 1: of view, but I can understand some of the coverage

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Speaker 1: jeen that says, oh, yeah, you know, we questioned his

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Speaker 1: drive or whatever. But I just because that's a football mentality.

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Speaker 1: If you're not one hundred percent focused on football all

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Speaker 1: the time, there must be something you know questionable about you.

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Speaker 1: But he if you turn on the tape, if you

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Speaker 1: turn on the film, you see him come through play

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Speaker 1: after play after play, and you see the attention he

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Speaker 1: commands again from from opposing offenses in terms of the

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Speaker 1: way they you know, their blocking schemes direct attention to him.

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Speaker 1: So he's getting it done on the field. And because

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Speaker 1: he also has other interests in his life, I really

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Speaker 1: hope does not be considered a knock against him in anyway.

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Speaker 1: Love that stuff there from Rob Moseley, editor in chief

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Speaker 1: of goducks dot Com. Knows these ducks inside and out,

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Speaker 1: so give you a little skinny on kvon Thibodeaux. Big

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Speaker 1: thanks to DP, to Rob, to Mark, to Drew, to

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Speaker 1: Jay Foreman, to my man Robert Harris, to all you listened,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We'll see you on Monday. Have

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Speaker 1: a great week, and everybody, let's always go Texans.