Speaker 1: I definitely have a balance personally between the design to
Speaker 1: kind of get up and write songs and do things
Speaker 1: and go out and engage with the world versus a
Speaker 1: design to sit on my sofa and eat christs and
Speaker 1: much boring felly and hate the world. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: one you feed. Throughout time, great thinkers have recognized the
Speaker 1: importance of the thoughts we have, quotes like garbage in,
Speaker 1: garbage out, or you are what you think ring true.
Speaker 1: And yet for many of us, our thoughts don't strengthen
Speaker 1: or empower us. We tend toward negativity, self pity, jealousy,
Speaker 1: or fear. We see what we don't have instead of
Speaker 1: what we do. We think things that hold us back
Speaker 1: and dampen our spirit. But it's not just about thinking.
Speaker 1: Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent and creative effort
Speaker 1: to make a life worth living. This podcast is about
Speaker 1: how other people keep themselves moving in the right direction,
Speaker 1: how they feed their good wolf. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is a singer songwriter from England named
Speaker 1: Frank Turner. To date, Turner has released five solo albums,
Speaker 1: two rarities compilation albums, one split album, and five EPs.
Speaker 1: Turner's fifth and most recent studio album, Tape Deck Heart,
Speaker 1: was released on April thirteen. In addition to playing the
Speaker 1: Olympics opening ceremony, Frank sold out Wembley Stadium, which, for
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, is extremely large. And
Speaker 1: uh So, Eric, why did you want to have Frank
Speaker 1: on the show? Because Frank is one of my all
Speaker 1: time favorite singer songwriters. I love his music. When we
Speaker 1: came up with the idea for the show, he was
Speaker 1: probably the first person that I thought of that I
Speaker 1: wanted to have on the show. Well, let's check out
Speaker 1: the interview. Here it is. Hi, Frank, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Thanks for joining us. I'm really
Speaker 1: excited to have you on today because your music, for
Speaker 1: me is one of those places that I turned to
Speaker 1: pretty regularly for comfort and inspiration, and I think you're
Speaker 1: writing some of the music these days that probably talks
Speaker 1: most about the you know, the challenges of being human
Speaker 1: and a really honest, sometimes painful and yet ultimately sort
Speaker 1: of life affirming way. I'm god, it's awesome as a
Speaker 1: sum makes um a mengry on the way and sketching
Speaker 1: out a building bum Bazana sees scavel just a gabby body.
Speaker 1: Else designs me alone. It's just got used to saying
Speaker 1: get up and get down and get outside, sunny day,
Speaker 1: your body. I think you're a You're a great guest
Speaker 1: for for what we're doing. And then I'll stop the
Speaker 1: love parade in a second and ask you questions. The
Speaker 1: one other thing that that I really like about your
Speaker 1: music is I've got two teenage boys, and listeners of
Speaker 1: this show will know that I'm always looking for ways
Speaker 1: for us to connect, and your music is one of
Speaker 1: those things we we both where we all really love
Speaker 1: your music, and so it gives us a way to connect.
Speaker 1: And one of the boys and I recently drove to
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to see you play, and I got really good
Speaker 1: memories of that, you know, the drive down, the drive back,
Speaker 1: the show, Uh even though you did uh say funk?
Speaker 1: I think about forty times and about twenty five seconds.
Speaker 1: But it's my mother complains that I have a dirty mouse,
Speaker 1: and she's right, but um, but I mean that's Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: So first of all, it's very calm, thanks very much,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad to have been of some sort of
Speaker 1: positive use in this wretched world. But like I had
Speaker 1: to say it was a funny one, because yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't have a bit of an issue with the heck
Speaker 1: of that night, and I let my tongue run away
Speaker 1: with me. But at that I side, I thought it
Speaker 1: was a constet. It was. It was a great show,
Speaker 1: and it's certainly memorable. Memorable given that it's funny because
Speaker 1: my my one son, a lot of his friends don't
Speaker 1: don't really know who you are. They're they're into a
Speaker 1: lot of hip hop and stuff, and he always refers
Speaker 1: to you. They're like, what is that? And he's like,
Speaker 1: that's Big Frankie t So. That's your that's your nickname
Speaker 1: over here, I guess in Ohio, Big Frankie t So. Um.
Speaker 1: Our show is called The One You Feed, and it's
Speaker 1: based on the old parable of Two Wolves, where there's
Speaker 1: a grandfather and he's talking to his grandson and he says,
Speaker 1: in life, there are two wolves inside of us. One
Speaker 1: is a good wolf and represents things like kindness and
Speaker 1: bravery and love, and the other is a bad wolf,
Speaker 1: which represents things like hatred and jealousy and fear. And
Speaker 1: the grandson stops and thinks and he says, well, grandfather,
Speaker 1: which one winds and the grandfather says the one you feed.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to start off the podcast by asking
Speaker 1: you what does that parable mean to you in your
Speaker 1: life and in your work. Well, I mean I think, um,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a good's it's a classical parable. I
Speaker 1: mean for me, Yeah, I definitely kind of have a
Speaker 1: balance personally between kind of creative urges and destructive verges
Speaker 1: and self destructive versions and between, I mean to put
Speaker 1: it more kind of protactically, the desire to kind of
Speaker 1: get up and write songs and do things and go
Speaker 1: out and engage with the world versus the desire to
Speaker 1: sit on my sofa and eat crisps and watch Boring
Speaker 1: Kelly and hate the world, you know, wrapped up in
Speaker 1: a sleeping bag, and um, and yeah that you know,
Speaker 1: there are days when one one is doing better than
Speaker 1: the other. But I do my best to kind of
Speaker 1: lean on on my better instincts if I can. You know,
Speaker 1: I said, I am generally possessed by this feeling that
Speaker 1: there's not enough time. Um, and there's more that I
Speaker 1: could personally do creatively and personally and all the rest
Speaker 1: of it. So, um, that is something that's kind of
Speaker 1: burns inside me. Definitely, Yeah, exactly. I was having a
Speaker 1: conversation with a friend last night. We were talking about
Speaker 1: how long we wanted to live, and he was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it doesn't matter if it's that much longer,
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, I've got so much I want
Speaker 1: to get done. I hope I've got to hope. I've
Speaker 1: got plenty of time ahead of me. Um. Friendship comes
Speaker 1: up in a lot of your songs, UM, and sort
Speaker 1: of talking and talking about how people other people help
Speaker 1: you to be that best version of yourself. UM. On
Speaker 1: the most recent record, the Way I Tend to Be
Speaker 1: is a pretty straightforward example of that. But shun all
Speaker 1: you do me. You could save me from How important
Speaker 1: are your friends and the people around you in being
Speaker 1: the person that's outdoing things and not the one curled
Speaker 1: up on the sofa. Very important. I mean, the thing
Speaker 1: is something that I kind of it's something that's kind
Speaker 1: of central to the way that I kind of look
Speaker 1: at the world, and it's a makes as me. There
Speaker 1: are people who don't feel like this, but apparently there are.
Speaker 1: But for me, I don't have an enormously high opinion
Speaker 1: of myself in my heart of hearts, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And I certainly think that most of my
Speaker 1: kind of friends and associates are kind of better and
Speaker 1: more inspiring people than I am, you know, in in
Speaker 1: that sort of cold dark knight of the soul or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I love being around the people that I choose
Speaker 1: to be around because they find of inspiring and they're
Speaker 1: inspiring me to try and kind of not give up
Speaker 1: on myself, you know, and and and just sort of
Speaker 1: work and trying to better myself. And yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: hugely important to me. And plus also I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: just in a from a practical sort of historical point
Speaker 1: of view for me, you personally, I've had some kind
Speaker 1: of rough patches of my life and and it's always
Speaker 1: been friends with the family that's kind of come from
Speaker 1: in those situations. So, um, yeah, something that's very important
Speaker 1: to me as a follow onto that, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about rough patches. Um. You you know, the most recent record,
Speaker 1: You've got some pretty graphic descriptions in there on you know,
Speaker 1: telltale signs around you know, cutting yourself when you were younger. Um.
Speaker 1: You also are um an ambassador for something called Calm
Speaker 1: c A l M. Can you tell me a little
Speaker 1: bit more about what that is. Yeah, that's a campaign
Speaker 1: against something miserably. Um. It's a UK based charity that
Speaker 1: deals with mental health issues. And and the kind of
Speaker 1: the main thing that about the sort of mental health
Speaker 1: I think Gemery speaking is is stigma and it is
Speaker 1: just the fact that you know, in some corners of
Speaker 1: society it's still kind of some of the people are
Speaker 1: ashamed of and embarrassed about and therefore reluctant to talk about.
Speaker 1: And the worst thing, in my experience and in my
Speaker 1: opinion for people who have mental health issues is isolation
Speaker 1: and that feeling that you've gotten there's no one you
Speaker 1: can talk to, there's no one's can understand all that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, And I think that the world could
Speaker 1: be quite rapidly. He's a better place, you know, from
Speaker 1: that point of view on the issues of mental health.
Speaker 1: Of people are just more comfortable about talking about it,
Speaker 1: and that's the main thing that calms working towards and
Speaker 1: hopefully I can help them. Yeah, I think that's that's
Speaker 1: really back to the idea of friendship and all that,
Speaker 1: but getting out and talking to people. And I agree
Speaker 1: a lot about the stigma there, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's just the sort of people I'm following and
Speaker 1: the places that I pay attention. It seems that that
Speaker 1: really is starting to lift to some degree, But I
Speaker 1: never know, am I seeing a bigger pattern? Am I
Speaker 1: just seeing what part of the world I'm focusing on?
Speaker 1: But well, and I think the other thing for me
Speaker 1: that I find can be quite deceptive in my own
Speaker 1: life is is the fact of getting older. If you
Speaker 1: and your friendship group get older and hopefully get a
Speaker 1: little wiser, sometimes it's tempting to think that, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: the world is turning into a better place and everybody's
Speaker 1: figuring this out. But you've got to remember that you know,
Speaker 1: how you were when you were sixteen is how sixteen
Speaker 1: year olds are now, you know. And and there's always
Speaker 1: going to be that kind of like drive to educate
Speaker 1: sort of new people coming through or whatever. And yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just they're just I'm will often remind did that
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of what to do on these
Speaker 1: kind of things with with sort of conversations you see
Speaker 1: between other people who on necessarily close your own friendship
Speaker 1: group or pay groups or whatever. Yeah, exactly, And I
Speaker 1: it's important for me to remember that having teenage boys
Speaker 1: trying to remember like they just they can't. They're incapable
Speaker 1: of seeing the world the way I see it with
Speaker 1: the years of experience and maturity. But I can relate.
Speaker 1: I can be like, oh yeah, I remember feeling exactly
Speaker 1: that way, and and uh, I think that's important. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the other things that you're really known for
Speaker 1: and that I like is you you bring You bring
Speaker 1: a real sense of community to your music. I know
Speaker 1: you've talked a lot about your your background in the
Speaker 1: in the punk rock hardcore scene. At the same time,
Speaker 1: you also really have this thing where you say that
Speaker 1: you can only say it, but you sort of act
Speaker 1: out that you're no different than your fans. You're just
Speaker 1: another person. Um. You know you've got that line in
Speaker 1: Try This at Home that everybody really seems to resonate with.
Speaker 1: It really hits both of those topics. Well, yes, to
Speaker 1: go diff does that thing as rock stars as just
Speaker 1: people who play music of them and some of thematics,
Speaker 1: so quick time off to a stereoyt that yeah, you
Speaker 1: can do that saying this country. I guess my question
Speaker 1: would be, as you're getting increasingly more famous, because it
Speaker 1: seems to be happening. I don't think you're an overnight
Speaker 1: success by any stretch of the imagination, but the last
Speaker 1: couple of years seemed like there's a real acceleration there.
Speaker 1: How is it hard to keep both those things that
Speaker 1: I think are really important to you, the community and
Speaker 1: the sense that you aren't different from your fans. That
Speaker 1: that seems like it's got to be getting harder to maintain. Um,
Speaker 1: you know it is, and it isn't. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a funny thing. I have some feel like the world
Speaker 1: is expecting me to kind of give up on those
Speaker 1: things just because you know what I mean, just because
Speaker 1: I would sort of seem like now I would seem
Speaker 1: like the time to do it or whatever. And I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like, well, you know what, I need more
Speaker 1: specific reason for that. I mean, for example, like you know,
Speaker 1: email just on my website and the whole time somebody
Speaker 1: summer goes, oh, now it's time to take that down,
Speaker 1: and you can't keep that going. Can't stand all day
Speaker 1: kind of replying samail and stuff, which I do, And
Speaker 1: it's like, well why not? I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: can if I want to, which I do, so I will. Um,
Speaker 1: But I mean I think that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have, I hopefully have various kind of measures to
Speaker 1: keep me grounded. I mean, the guys in my band
Speaker 1: all ripped on me endlessly. That's everybody's favorite topic is
Speaker 1: taking the looking out of me um, and I just
Speaker 1: kind of trying my best not to think very hard
Speaker 1: about things like, you know, success and prestige and all
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. I like to just kind of
Speaker 1: concentrate on playing a good show and and you know,
Speaker 1: being being a good musician and a good performer and
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing, which is what I've always
Speaker 1: been trying to do. I think the other thing to
Speaker 1: say as well is that you know, I've got a
Speaker 1: bit of beer my bond about this lately. The word
Speaker 1: punk means a million different things, and it's utterly boring
Speaker 1: to get into arguing it's over what punk rock actually
Speaker 1: means or what it's definition is. I've wasted my life
Speaker 1: arguing about that, and I'm not gonna bother doing it anymore. However,
Speaker 1: the thing is the thing that I kind of remind
Speaker 1: myself of, and that it is still really important to me,
Speaker 1: is when I was a kid, punk was sold to
Speaker 1: me as hey, you you hate everybody around you, feel
Speaker 1: totally socially alienated and removed from from your peers and
Speaker 1: your peer group. Come to us, and you can be
Speaker 1: anybody you want. You can be Will Will. It's it's safe,
Speaker 1: and it's kind, and it's non judgmental, and it's just
Speaker 1: this place where you can just be you. And that
Speaker 1: was so important to me when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: It was the idea of punk rock as a refuge
Speaker 1: and and and that kind of vibe. Sometimes in various
Speaker 1: punk scenes, I think that gets kind of forgotten or
Speaker 1: put aside or lost in favor of whether it be
Speaker 1: sort of politics or aggression or or sarcasm or whatever.
Speaker 1: But for me, that that's the most important thing about
Speaker 1: punk and I hope that a sense of that maintains
Speaker 1: at my shows, in the sense that it's not music
Speaker 1: for hit people. It's not music for a certain kind
Speaker 1: of demographic or social scene or kind of fashion trend
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I love the fact that's people
Speaker 1: from all walks of life and come to my show.
Speaker 1: I don't insider myself to be cool. I'd never have done,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to make music for cool people.
Speaker 1: Cool people are welcome to come but do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, It's like it's it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: this kind of this the community in the sense of
Speaker 1: it just being a kind of like, Hey, it's cool,
Speaker 1: you can be here and you m just be whoever
Speaker 1: you want to be and nobody's gonna point anything to anybody.
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of vibe I want to get
Speaker 1: on my first Yeah, and I think you do. I'm
Speaker 1: I've got it probably about ten years on you, So
Speaker 1: I was. I was really more involved, kind of directly
Speaker 1: in those days when when punk and hardcore was sort
Speaker 1: of the d I Y scene was breaking here in
Speaker 1: the US, and so I remember those things very clearly.
Speaker 1: And the truth is, I haven't felt anything close to
Speaker 1: that since some of your recent shows that I've been
Speaker 1: at here, So I think you're you're doing a great
Speaker 1: job of keeping that together. I know for me, one
Speaker 1: of the things that that feeds my good wolf is
Speaker 1: uh is music. And I mentioned earlier that your music
Speaker 1: is something that I turned to a lot. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's been a song written that I can remember
Speaker 1: that is more direct about to the redemptive power of
Speaker 1: rock and roll than I still believe sell sameless all
Speaker 1: after all, something's a simple, something so small heard it though,
Speaker 1: after all it's rock and roll. My question for you
Speaker 1: would be, what do you listen to? What are the
Speaker 1: things that you turn to when you really need that
Speaker 1: sort of that lift or that that affirmation of life,
Speaker 1: those sort of things. Mm hmm, Well, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I could we we could get very specific and different
Speaker 1: kind of flavors of life fascination that are required and
Speaker 1: what I would go to from my rescuing book of records,
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I mean I listened to music a
Speaker 1: lot and it's kind of I'm kind of a boring person.
Speaker 1: That's what I really care about his music, you know,
Speaker 1: in rock and roll specifically. I mean my my absolutely
Speaker 1: go to band that I couldn't live without as a Canadian,
Speaker 1: a Canadian indie band called The Weaker Ants, who I
Speaker 1: just adore and and worship and love. And there's a
Speaker 1: kind of there's a warmth and and a friendliness to there.
Speaker 1: But but I mean it's intelligent, complex music that like
Speaker 1: there's just a kind of welcoming forgiving kind of vibe
Speaker 1: to what they do that they love. There's a there's
Speaker 1: a line in one of their earlier songs where John
Speaker 1: the singer says um, he says we're talented and bright,
Speaker 1: which means we're lonely and uptight. And I always thought
Speaker 1: that was such a wonderful line, you know, and and
Speaker 1: it's just so so many great lines in that song.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, we've got this store boat way
Speaker 1: of saying that we're okay, and we've learned how to
Speaker 1: cry in title silence and it's you know, glories. I
Speaker 1: could go on about looking at it forever. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that definitely my go to the band excellent. Yeah, he's uh.
Speaker 1: I think he released a solo record a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago that was really good that I liked a lot.
Speaker 1: He did well. You know. Funny thing about that, I
Speaker 1: actually end up writing the press release for solo record
Speaker 1: because John sent me an advanced coffee of the album
Speaker 1: to see what I thought about the mix I seem
Speaker 1: to remember, and I was like, whatever to the mix, man,
Speaker 1: this is some of the best songs I've heard in years,
Speaker 1: and um and yeah, I was really excited about it,
Speaker 1: and he asked them to write the press release for
Speaker 1: the record. So a great piece of work. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It is excellent. You touched on it earlier a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: This this this self destructive side of you know, and
Speaker 1: you've you've talked about it in various songs. Um in
Speaker 1: perfect tense is one, recovery is another. This this the
Speaker 1: the the the self destructive tendencies and and there there
Speaker 1: is a balance in that right between the you know,
Speaker 1: the drinking and drugs are there's always a risk there
Speaker 1: and you've you've certainly shown signs of regret or concern.
Speaker 1: How do you feel. Do you feel like you're in
Speaker 1: an okay place with all that stuff? Now? Um? Yeah, mostly,
Speaker 1: I mean it's always a bit of a bouncing act. Um.
Speaker 1: I've certainly, I've certainly had my kind of my my
Speaker 1: times with with drinking drugs in particular. And it's a
Speaker 1: funny thing because there's that kind of weird kind of
Speaker 1: half light where it's supposed to be something that's fun,
Speaker 1: but at the same time I know that it's something
Speaker 1: that's quite damaging to me as a person. And also
Speaker 1: more specifically, I think one of the things is, you know,
Speaker 1: I make my living from my voice, and I think
Speaker 1: anybody who's a singer is very very conscious about their
Speaker 1: voice at all times, and all that stuff destroys my
Speaker 1: voice that you wouldn't believe. And there are times, you know,
Speaker 1: if I get up for long tour and I'm feeling
Speaker 1: really really pent up where that kind of stuff part
Speaker 1: of it is getting out of your head and sort
Speaker 1: of that relief or whatever, the part of it is
Speaker 1: actually kind of a sort of subconscious or conscious attempt
Speaker 1: to kind of damage the part of me that that
Speaker 1: makes my living to you know what I mean. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I've I've had my kind of ups and
Speaker 1: downs of that, but I'm feeling pretty good at minute.
Speaker 1: So h happy days excellent. You've you've had challenges the
Speaker 1: latest tour with your back. The song losing Days is
Speaker 1: certainly as I'm getting older, I recognize that more and
Speaker 1: more time is just it is. It is completely getting
Speaker 1: getting away from me. Kid days used to take breaking
Speaker 1: always greatness and greatness, that's all. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think some a kind of an idea that I'm kind
Speaker 1: of intrigued by, and I think losing Days was a
Speaker 1: first attempt to examine, but wouldn't be at all surprised
Speaker 1: if it comes up again. It's just this idea that
Speaker 1: after a while that for me The definition of youth
Speaker 1: is that point in your life when there are no
Speaker 1: limits of possibility could be anything. I mean, there's still
Speaker 1: time to be an astronaut or a you know, an
Speaker 1: ice hockey player or an archaeologist or whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: And then there's that kind of I think the part
Speaker 1: of kind of getting older as you suddenly realize that
Speaker 1: there is no way now in my life that I
Speaker 1: will ever be an astronaut. It's that that that avenue
Speaker 1: is closed to me. I'm too old, you know, if
Speaker 1: you even start trainings on that idea. And and that's
Speaker 1: a sort of that's an intriguing point in point to
Speaker 1: reach because suddenly that's the moment where self definition becomes irrevocable,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean. It's like you are
Speaker 1: the person you are, and that's who you're going to be,
Speaker 1: full stop, and there's no going back now. And and
Speaker 1: there's a line of losing days about small, small ideas
Speaker 1: become commitments and things that perhaps even at the time
Speaker 1: when you were kind of getting into them, you weren't
Speaker 1: really thinking about them all that much. And suddenly realize
Speaker 1: that's part of that's youth, that's it's never going to change.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be really pessimistic about it,
Speaker 1: because I mean, at the same time, it's a question
Speaker 1: discovering who you are and who the person you'll be
Speaker 1: remembered as is. But um, it's it's an interesting moment
Speaker 1: in life to have that thing where you suddenly kind
Speaker 1: of go, yeah, you know, I'm i'm, I'm, I'm in
Speaker 1: I'm in the meat of the sandwich. Now I'm no
Speaker 1: longer in the bread, Like this is it, this is
Speaker 1: life exactly. I I agree with that. I still think
Speaker 1: at any point that we are in life, we've still
Speaker 1: got some latitude, but that latitude does shrink. And when
Speaker 1: you said that, it actually just hit me because what
Speaker 1: I talked to my kids about, you know, I I
Speaker 1: pushed them on getting good grades and all that boring
Speaker 1: parent ship and um, and when they when we talk
Speaker 1: about it, what the reason I say is, I want
Speaker 1: my I feel like my job as a parent is
Speaker 1: to keep all of your options is open as long
Speaker 1: as I can, so that you can make whatever choice
Speaker 1: you want to make when that time comes. And I
Speaker 1: hadn't realized until you just said that why I sort
Speaker 1: of feel so uh passionate about that is because mine
Speaker 1: are certainly, you know, a lot of them have closed.
Speaker 1: Given given where I'm at age wise, that's an interesting concept. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. You've got perhaps my favorite rider in your
Speaker 1: contract that I've ever heard of, which is you have
Speaker 1: a dog writer, which means that if anybody at the
Speaker 1: venue you're playing at has a dog, they need to
Speaker 1: bring him into work that day so you can play
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, as as long as they're cool and
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. I know some people aren't comfortable with
Speaker 1: their dogs around other people, all being in the live
Speaker 1: music environment and that kind of thing. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: grew up with a lot of dogs in my life
Speaker 1: and I'm absolutely a doordogs and um, it's just there's
Speaker 1: no way that I could have my own dog with
Speaker 1: the way that I live at the moment. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm away months at the time most of the year.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make any sense. Um. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: got a few friends who have dogs, and I'm a
Speaker 1: regular visitor around there is when I get home. But
Speaker 1: it was kind of a cool idea that my torments
Speaker 1: are had, and it's looking because quite a lot of
Speaker 1: the time I get to hang out with those dogs
Speaker 1: are very cute Yeah, that's great. My my partner here
Speaker 1: and I between us, we've got five of them in
Speaker 1: our houses. So if you come to Columbus again, we
Speaker 1: can we can shower you in dogs, I imagine. Okay, excellent,
Speaker 1: that sounds delightful. One last question. You're working on a
Speaker 1: on a new record. Any idea when we might see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to get the new record finished by the
Speaker 1: end of this year and out at the very started.
Speaker 1: Next is the idea. Um. I mean, I'm very excited
Speaker 1: about it. Actually, we've got a lot of kind of
Speaker 1: in my opinion, really strong material together, and the guys
Speaker 1: and the Sleeping Souls, my band were kind of um, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're sort of working up new songs and sound checks
Speaker 1: right now. That's what I was doing just for this conversation.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's it's an exciting time. I think that
Speaker 1: they're going to be I think it's going to be
Speaker 1: a strong record. Um. And it's kind of it's sort
Speaker 1: of a relief to me that I still have things
Speaker 1: that I'm really excited and passionate about saying. There's no
Speaker 1: sense of me forcing myself to bother to write new
Speaker 1: songs or whatever. It's like these. Yeah, you know, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I'm pumped for it. Um. So yeah, I mean hopefully
Speaker 1: beginning next year with another record and and it'll be
Speaker 1: it'll be a good I hope. Well, I'm I'm definitely
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Uh. And I'll let you get
Speaker 1: back to working on that. That's probably more important than
Speaker 1: yapping with me. If you do one thing, tell Nigel
Speaker 1: that I think he's the best drummer in rock and
Speaker 1: roll today. For me, I would appreciate that. I will
Speaker 1: I happen to agree and I will tell him that.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you very much, Frank. It's been
Speaker 1: a pleasure having you on. Yeah. Thanks, thanks for chatting
Speaker 1: to me. Okay, take care bye. You can learn more
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