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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: give a little teasier to Clay. Because I did speak

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Speaker 1: to Mary Catherine Hamm, who's in her last week at

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Speaker 1: CNN after many years there about the Don Lemon fiasco,

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Speaker 1: about the implosion of CNN. We went on for about

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Speaker 1: an hour. Was fascinating. She a little tease you here.

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Speaker 1: She was suspended almost as long as Jeffrey Tubin. We

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Speaker 1: all remember what Jeffrey Tubin did for making fun of

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Tubin. Yeah, CNN's a mess and Mary Catherine ham

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Speaker 1: is fantastic. So let's subscribe the podcast. Moral of the story, Yes,

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Speaker 1: brand new baby. I believe that she is, that she

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Speaker 1: is dealing with she is figuring out what she's gonna

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Speaker 1: do in media. And every now and then I get

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Speaker 1: a text and you can always tell when you have

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Speaker 1: a new mom and having been through this three times,

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Speaker 1: you're up at all these crazy hours. So every now

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Speaker 1: and then I just get a text from her at

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Speaker 1: like three to thirty, and it's not because she's just

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Speaker 1: coming home from the bar. It's because baby's hungry and

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Speaker 1: suddenly like you're trying to catch up. I remember those days, Buck.

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Speaker 1: You will go through them, I bet at some point,

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Speaker 1: and you will have so much respect for the women

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Speaker 1: in your lives. That is, women who can have babies

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Speaker 1: and what they do, not pregnant people, what they do

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Speaker 1: in those early months of the baby's lives, when they're

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Speaker 1: basically you don't know what time it is, you don't

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Speaker 1: know what day it is, you don't know what month

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Speaker 1: it is. It is pure chaos for those first several

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Speaker 1: months of any newborn. And so she is fantastic, and

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Speaker 1: congratulations to her on that new baby. Donald Trump on

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Speaker 1: his way right now to East Palestine, Ohio, where we

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Speaker 1: have spent We talked about this a lot. Last week.

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Speaker 1: We had the congressman on. We had I think on Monday, Ali,

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Speaker 1: you can correct me if I'm wrong. The state senator

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Speaker 1: who represents East Palestine called into the show, and so

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Speaker 1: we have had a lot of different people reporting from

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Speaker 1: this community and letting us know what exactly is going

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Speaker 1: on there. To me, Buck, the disconnect between Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: Trump today going on Trump Force one flying to East

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Speaker 1: Palestine bringing the media coverage that he will to this

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Speaker 1: location is a tremendous win for him in what Let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, you were talking earlier about the fact twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four gonna be close. They put Fetterman in office.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who are going to

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Speaker 1: vote for Biden, even if he's incompetent, dementia addled and

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Speaker 1: cannot do the job. The election, By and large, I

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Speaker 1: understand there's people listening all over the country. We know

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Speaker 1: that twenty twenty four probably is going to come down

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Speaker 1: to what a bunch of Big ten fans do in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest states, What happens in Pennsylvania, what happens in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: what happens in Wisconsin. Ohio has flipped. It used to

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Speaker 1: tell you who's going to win the election. Here's why

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Speaker 1: I think this is such a strong move from Trump.

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Speaker 1: Let's just take for granted it's the right move just

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Speaker 1: on a human ethical leadership level, I think to go

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Speaker 1: and express solidarity with the people in East Palestine who

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Speaker 1: are affected, who have been affected by this. But now

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Speaker 1: from a political optics perspective, Donald Trump part of what

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Speaker 1: was so special about his twenty sixteen campaign, and I

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Speaker 1: think we really have to look back at what went

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Speaker 1: right there if we're talking about what could go what

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Speaker 1: was speaking for the forgotten men and women of America.

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Speaker 1: It was and this was the amazing thing, right because

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Speaker 1: this guy, this billionaire who's you know, TV superstars names. Though.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up seeing the Trump buildings all

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Speaker 1: but somehow Donald Trump, when not only he would speak

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Speaker 1: person to steel workers, construction workers, you know, hourly wage

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Speaker 1: individuals all in communities that feel left behind and forgotten,

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Speaker 1: they felt the connection and they felt the sense that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump actually wants to help. He's not pretending what

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden does. Oh, I'm just like you. I'm scrant

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Speaker 1: No no, no no. Trump doesn't say I am a

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of his sweet spot. Politically,

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Speaker 1: I think it's necessary for any Republican candidate to your

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Speaker 1: point about who's going to determine the next election? White

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Speaker 1: be the Hispanic vote. There'll be different votes that are

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Speaker 1: determined to determine Michigan, Pennsylvania, the states that you've laid out.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows what these states are now because we've been

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Speaker 1: so focused on them for years. It's gonna be can

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Speaker 1: a candidate like Trump reach out and connect with the

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Speaker 1: voters who are like the people, even if they're not

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Speaker 1: on a whole range of issues that's right, and the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration. And I'm thinking a lot about this, Buck

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Speaker 1: been as the entire Democrat Party has been captured by

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Speaker 1: woke white people. That is who the Democrats want to

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Speaker 1: make sure that they keep happy every single day. And

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Speaker 1: the person, you know, the politician who woke white people

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Speaker 1: love more than anybody else, Mayor Pete. He is the

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Speaker 1: candidate of the woke white community. As we were joking yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but Babylon b great headline Mayor Pete reminds everybody he's gay.

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Speaker 1: You know, the candidate right. And when you listen to

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Speaker 1: and I'll give you her name, but first I want

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Speaker 1: to play this audio for you. What do you have

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Speaker 1: to say to the folks in Ohio East Palestine who

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Speaker 1: interviews I've given today, and if she'd like to arrange

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Speaker 1: Are you going down there at all? Um? Yea? When

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Speaker 1: are you going? Yeah? Can I get a photo of you?

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Speaker 1: He asked there at the end. Buck. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: that reporter's named Jenny Tear, good job Daily Caller. When

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Speaker 1: you hear this, your reaction is what, Well, she's being

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Speaker 1: entirely respectful, because look, we just we're consistent, right. You

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Speaker 1: the face, you know? No, it's fine for people Buddhaja.

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Speaker 1: that's that's fine. But she's being entirely there's nothing in

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Speaker 1: her questioning that is out of bounds. Are unfair? Um,

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Speaker 1: At the end, what did you make of that? What

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Speaker 1: his office and say who is this person? Let's make

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Speaker 1: sure there are consequence lots for this behavior from me. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: for sure. Do you remember do you remember when but

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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta lost his hard pass to the White House?

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Speaker 1: Or I think it was a day or two and

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Speaker 1: the journalists of America or the weeping of the nashing

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Speaker 1: my god, Jim Acosta had to check in like a

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Speaker 1: like a peasant at the White House visitor's kiosk Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, he didn't just get to waltz in like

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Speaker 1: think Jenny Tare at the Daily Caller is doing the

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Speaker 1: more environmental stuff and we need to get rid of

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Speaker 1: the CO two in the air. Okay, if you're so

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Speaker 1: worried about CO two emissions, shouldn't you be more worried

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Speaker 1: about a massive, uh hazardous waste explosion in in an area?

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Speaker 1: You know, what do they really know about this? And

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's the same people that we think are

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Speaker 1: shooting balloons out of the sky thinking they're UFOs. Well,

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Speaker 1: being no consequences from COVID. Frankly, Buck, because if you

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Speaker 1: lectured me for years about how I had to listen

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Speaker 1: There's so many, so much more choice now in how

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Speaker 1: a factor in this. But but I really think that

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Speaker 1: to lay out five specific problems that make this particular

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Speaker 1: era really challenging for the media and lead to these

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Speaker 1: giant problems, and one of them is social media. I

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Speaker 1: mean the New York Times. Every single day it's a

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Speaker 1: giant news organization. Every day there's some good journalism happening

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Speaker 1: to read. And that is just so unlike any other occupation,

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Speaker 1: Like you don't have you know, Bill, your accountant, who

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Speaker 1: the pundits, the journalists, they spend all their time talking

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Speaker 1: a new book out, Uncovered How the media got cozy

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Speaker 1: is there an incentive for these organizations, whether it's The

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Speaker 1: an incentive for them to go back to doing journalism

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Speaker 1: or do you think that they just view the business

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Speaker 1: it's not just money that's that's what they're losing, you know,

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Speaker 1: When you have the likes of Joe Rogan becoming the

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Speaker 1: why is it that we're losing not just audience but

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Speaker 1: not seeing that happening yet, but I do think that

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Speaker 1: no doubt. Steve, I did your podcast recently. We had

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Speaker 1: want to see more of you interacting with bucking myself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Uncovered dot com. Thanks for me with Steve Krakaure. Good

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. I want to take you back in

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Speaker 1: time though, or moment in history. February twenty second, nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty US Men's Olympic hockey team a great moment for America.

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Speaker 1: Play it. You got pain fucking going on, So I

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Speaker 1: will say, Clay even I know about this because producer

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Speaker 1: Mark th And to take my passport away for me

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Speaker 1: Um one of the great moments in American sport, and

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Speaker 1: it's the anniversary for every twenty second is today. Do

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Speaker 1: you know who was on the call there and said

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Speaker 1: the iconic miracle line, Wayne Gretzky. This is like one

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Speaker 1: of those Jeopardy clips that could go viral when it's like,

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Speaker 1: remember these were a well First of all, these were

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Speaker 1: you watched the movie. These were not professional hockey players.

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Speaker 1: I know Canadian, so it would be unlikely that he

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Speaker 1: would be on the US team or I missed up

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Speaker 1: calling the game. But Al Michaels, one of the most

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Speaker 1: iconic sports announcers of all time, still in the game.

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Speaker 1: He's calling Thursday Night NFL. I believe that's the only

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Speaker 1: sport that he does now. But that was his probably

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Speaker 1: most memorable call of his career forty two years ago. Today,

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Speaker 1: I mean that that audio clip, I will say, is

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Speaker 1: right up there with the Russian is Cut. Now, granted

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Speaker 1: moment in fictional sport, kind of helped US defeat the Soviet.

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Speaker 1: Between Rocky four and Reagan, they didn't have a chance.

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Speaker 1: This buck was a big difference between us generationally. I

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Speaker 1: was nine months old, and this is gonna make a

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Speaker 1: lot of people out there feel very old. I was

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Speaker 1: a baby nine months old when that call occurred. Probably

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the house. I bet my dad and or

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Speaker 1: mom had that game on you not yet born. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm maybe the more true American just tossing it out there. Well,

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Speaker 1: that Nate that whatever you say, sir, the whole Coogan

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Speaker 1: real American hero music there in the background. Because I

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Speaker 1: yet existing. And it is remarkable because they were college

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Speaker 1: It's kind of funny that we were like, well, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna send their professionals who are state funded and trained.

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Speaker 1: This was a big deal in the Olympics for a while, Buck,

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Speaker 1: because the US insisted on college kids, for instance, in basketball,

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Speaker 1: playing against every other country's professional athletes until the Dream

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Speaker 1: Team in nineteen ninety two. Back in the era. And

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Speaker 1: I said, we would mention this when the NBA was

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Speaker 1: at its apex. You were an NBA fan at the time, yep.

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Speaker 1: that clip forty two years ago. The NBA had its

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Speaker 1: All Star Game this weekend in Salt Lake City, Buck,

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Speaker 1: all time low for viewership in NBA All Star Game history.

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Speaker 1: This is what happens when a sport truly goes woke.

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Speaker 1: They abandoned many of the people who otherwise would be

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Speaker 1: fans of the sport who are seeking to get away

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Speaker 1: from the serious things in life and the NBA, by

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Speaker 1: going full on woke, has alienated much of its fan

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Speaker 1: base and just circling back. Before we close up shop today,

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Speaker 1: I had said that I thought that Trump today in

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Speaker 1: East Palestine had an opportunity to re establish or maybe

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Speaker 1: just reconnect with one of his most important constituencies, which

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Speaker 1: East Palestine and to the nearby communities in Ohio and Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: we have told you loud and clear, you are not forgotten.

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Speaker 1: You are not forgotten. We stand with you, we pray

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Speaker 1: fight to help answer and the accountability that you deserve.

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Speaker 1: Will have that accountability. I'll be out there very clearly.

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Speaker 1: This is this is vintage Trump. By the way, communities,

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Speaker 1: Yeah won the Midwest in sixteen Buck that this is

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Speaker 1: we can talk to were blue in the face about

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Speaker 1: all the different permutations, all the candidates, and ultimately what

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Speaker 1: What is going to happen in the Midwest. Those are

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Speaker 1: And when Trump shows up there, and I think this

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Speaker 1: is such a perfect metaphor for America. First, he beat

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Speaker 1: Mayor Pete, that Transportation secretary. It's going to take him

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Speaker 1: two weeks to get there, Joe Biden and can't even

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Speaker 1: make it up the stairs in Europe. He's probably never

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Speaker 1: big part of it. Yeah, Buddha Judge is apparently going tomorrow. Now, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what it's because I think he real up Trump,

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Speaker 1: Yes exactly. He said to say, whoa hold on a second.

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Speaker 1: So they're not that hard getting to Ohio. It's not

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Speaker 1: And remember this is the pitch that Democrats, the white

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Speaker 1: Oh he has a great appeal in the Midwest. Well,

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Speaker 1: he was the mayor in Indiana in a state that

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Speaker 1: I believe he's moved to Traverse City, Michigan, if I'm

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Speaker 1: two weeks, despite the constant drumbeat of futility that has emerged,

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Speaker 1: there is a sign that Mayor Pete doesn't actually connect

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of ways to stay in touch

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Speaker 1: with us and keep it off lowing. And already, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about our show tomorrow. I have a feeling

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Speaker 1: that the response to the Trump visit from the media

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Speaker 1: on the left tonight in primetime. I might have to

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Speaker 1: watch some MSNBC tonight, Clay. I may have to step

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Speaker 1: into this and do it for everybody. You poor, poor bastard.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're taking the shrapnel for everybody else, because

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Speaker 1: I do. I'm not doing that. My hair protects me,

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Speaker 1: though it's very thick. Side after the podcast,