WEBVTT - "Are You A White Male Who Has Experienced Discrimination At Work?” 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, it is Monday, January twelfth, and this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily the episode we planned on recording this evening, but

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<v Speaker 1>our thirteen year old walked into the house a little

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<v Speaker 1>while ago and showed us a video from TikTok that

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<v Speaker 1>made us rethink our plans. And so here we are

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ one in

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<v Speaker 1>which we are talking robes about where we are in

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<v Speaker 1>this country in terms of a language which you can say,

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<v Speaker 1>which you can say, what words awful limits and to whom,

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<v Speaker 1>and how much racism you can seem to shout from

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<v Speaker 1>the mountaintops and it not be racism anymore. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>start first with the headlines everybody's been seeing about the

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<v Speaker 1>President and what he said to the New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>about reverse discriptination that's got everybody talking to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, reverse discrimination.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump said that white people that Civil Rights era protections,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, have resulted in white people being quote

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<v Speaker 3>very badly treated. Yes, he said that, and he directly

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<v Speaker 3>attributed it to the Civil Rights era, and that it

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<v Speaker 3>would be it became unfair that white people couldn't get

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<v Speaker 3>into certain colleges, they couldn't get certain jobs, so it

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<v Speaker 3>was reverse discrimination.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said that.

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<v Speaker 3>When he was asked about his anti woke policies if

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<v Speaker 3>he was trying to make Americle white, and he just said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to have people who love our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So were you surprised to hear the president say this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's making headlines everywhere and folks are writing their opinion

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<v Speaker 1>pieces and people are giving their reactions and their videos

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<v Speaker 1>online at they're posting. But was this it's a shocking

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<v Speaker 1>statement to you?

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't shocking coming from President Trump now because obviously

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<v Speaker 3>he his big anti woke campaign, his anti DEI campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>All serves that purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's just stating what he's already taken action on.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just explaining the why behind it. But what other

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<v Speaker 3>why could there have been?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not shocking.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what is shocking, though, is when you start

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<v Speaker 3>to see certain things on social media coming from the

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<v Speaker 3>administrations and particularly from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commissions.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Saturday Night Live skit that was shocking to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Saturday Night Lives sit it is it seems

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<v Speaker 2>so surreal.

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<v Speaker 3>So can we let you all know because I hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>seen this until you pointed it out to me, babe.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, this is a commission

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<v Speaker 3>that was formed in nineteen sixty five under the Civil

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<v Speaker 3>Rights Act. Well, there is a new commission chair under

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump. Her name is Andrea Lucas, and she put

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<v Speaker 3>this out on x This was a video and it

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<v Speaker 3>was a message to explain what the agency is focused on.

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<v Speaker 3>So Lucas says, this, are you a white male who

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<v Speaker 3>has experienced discrimination at work based on your race or sex.

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<v Speaker 3>You may have a claim to recover money under federal

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<v Speaker 3>civil rights laws. Contact the EEOC as soon as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Time limits are typically strict for filing a claim. And

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<v Speaker 3>then she goes on to say the EEOC is committed

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<v Speaker 3>to identifying, attacking, and eliminating all forms of race and

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<v Speaker 3>sex discrimination, including against white male applicants and employees.

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<v Speaker 2>That was shocking to me.

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<v Speaker 1>That last part is usually reserved to call out including

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<v Speaker 1>our Asian American community, including the Latino community, including the

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<v Speaker 1>African American You're not used to seeing. At the end,

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<v Speaker 1>protect everyone, including the white folks, not.

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<v Speaker 3>Even white folks, white men in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>Who have in this country, without a doubt, been the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the top of the food chain.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at every boardroom, look at every person with power,

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<v Speaker 3>and almost all of them singularly are white men.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have now turned white men into a class,

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<v Speaker 1>a protected class, who've been discriminated against, who are being

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<v Speaker 1>discriminated against. This is not new, This is not surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that Jdvans in particular has talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is something they've been going this direction. It

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<v Speaker 1>is offensive that any time. This is something that we've

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<v Speaker 1>joked about amongst ourselves sometimes as black folks, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is difficult when you make it up the chain, When

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<v Speaker 1>you make it to the upper level, the top floor

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<v Speaker 1>of someplace, and you're the only black person on that floor,

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<v Speaker 1>you look around in other people look at you and think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the only reason you're here is not because of your ability,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because we need a diversity, right. And this idea,

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<v Speaker 1>now as you talk about white men, is all with

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<v Speaker 1>that undercurrent of if you are black, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>are ahead of that white man, or even equal to

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<v Speaker 1>that white man in your career, then you're actually inferior

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<v Speaker 1>because you're only here because of this or that. That

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<v Speaker 1>part of all this.

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<v Speaker 3>You've kept through another white man from the position he

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<v Speaker 3>rightfully should have been. You never heard it exactly exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>and you spoke about JD. Vance and he went on

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<v Speaker 3>to X and actually, yes, got very specific said he

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<v Speaker 3>blamed all of these diversity initiatives for depriving white men

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<v Speaker 3>of opportunities. His quote is a lot of people think

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<v Speaker 3>DEI is lame diversity seminars or racial slogans at NFL games.

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<v Speaker 3>In reality, it was a deliberate program of discrimination, primarily

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<v Speaker 3>against white men. So instead of it promoting and giving

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to people who had been shut out because of

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<v Speaker 3>the color of their skin, No, it wasn't that. It

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<v Speaker 3>was to punish, to discriminate against white men. That is

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<v Speaker 3>what our administration is saying and selling.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was dragging into a lawsuit in my career.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I told you this when earlier in my career,

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<v Speaker 1>when because a white man sued because he lost his

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<v Speaker 1>job and I got hired, and this was the exact thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to sit across from a white lawyer for

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<v Speaker 1>three hours and defend my worth on planet Earth in

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<v Speaker 1>a lawsuit. So this idea really robes is a difficult

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<v Speaker 1>one to stomach. And the way the New York I

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<v Speaker 1>put it down here the way the New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>put it. I'm sorry I lost that. Yes, President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has equated diversity with incompetence and inferiority. That's it. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>your equated diversity. If you're diversity, that means you're incompetent

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<v Speaker 1>and inferior. You're only here because somebody needs to meet

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<v Speaker 1>a quota or betaverse. We deal with it every day,

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<v Speaker 1>and something like this in the headline. It's not surprising,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people jumped on it, And I

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<v Speaker 1>just hope we don't because we could have gone on

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<v Speaker 1>and popped off. But I just I hope for better.

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<v Speaker 1>We too often in these cases robes, don't we We

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<v Speaker 1>end up talking about him instead of talking about what

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<v Speaker 1>he said. There's nothing we are going to say. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no way you can clap back or throw any history

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<v Speaker 1>at him or his followers who are going to give

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<v Speaker 1>a damn. It doesn't matter what the numbers show and

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<v Speaker 1>throw the numbers about discrimination. It doesn't matter to them.

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<v Speaker 1>But why aren't we talking a little better? Why not

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<v Speaker 1>have a better and a more civil conversation about that

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<v Speaker 1>thing which is real, which is do you look at

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<v Speaker 1>people on your floor who are black and think they're

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<v Speaker 1>there because they work just as hard or they earned

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<v Speaker 1>it like you did. How do you view people in

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<v Speaker 1>those positions? It happens in every single office, It absolutely does,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it gives us a chance to have a

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<v Speaker 1>more civil conversation instead of just trying to beat down

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<v Speaker 1>something else.

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<v Speaker 3>The President's said, Yes, and look, I do appreciate how

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<v Speaker 3>measured Derek Johnson was in light of all of this.

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<v Speaker 3>He was interviewed by the New York Times, and he

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<v Speaker 3>could have said a lot of things, he's the president

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<v Speaker 3>of the NAACP, but he just simply said, I thought

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<v Speaker 3>he was very measured. No evidence, there is no evidence

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<v Speaker 3>that white men were discriminated against as a result of

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<v Speaker 3>the Civil Rights Movement, the Civil Rights Act, and efforts

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<v Speaker 3>to rectify the long history of this country denying access

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<v Speaker 3>to people based on race in every measurable category.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and do we is anyone listening? Is anyone a

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<v Speaker 1>part of this conversation right now? Really help the pale

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<v Speaker 1>leaf that white men as a whole have suffered because

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<v Speaker 1>of the Civil Rights Act, that they generally are a

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<v Speaker 1>discriminated against class of people. White men.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>They are talking about universities and certain quota systems about

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<v Speaker 3>who can get in.

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<v Speaker 2>And how many white men are allowed into.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is all I can see them pointing

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<v Speaker 3>to that and certain yes job promotions. Those are the

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<v Speaker 3>like where you have mandatory you have to fill X

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<v Speaker 3>amount of spaces or titles or positions with certain people

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<v Speaker 3>of color, and so that's what they're pointing to.

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<v Speaker 2>And they just want a merit based system.

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<v Speaker 3>But the problem is is, you know, we're not all

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<v Speaker 3>on even ground, period.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, What are we going to do? Where are we?

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned the and I have it up here

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<v Speaker 1>in front of me. I forgot to mention this when

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<v Speaker 1>you were talking about a second ago, and it's still

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<v Speaker 1>here in my face. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that

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<v Speaker 1>you were speaking of. Yes, I happened to go to

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<v Speaker 1>their website today. I just wanted to check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>On their front page. As soon as I clicked on it,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a banner that says DEI related discrimination, What

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<v Speaker 1>to do if you experience.

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<v Speaker 3>It DEI discrimination. So that is a direct shout out

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<v Speaker 3>to white men and encouraging them to report it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never I've never seen this before in my life,

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<v Speaker 3>and I honestly never thought I would. It's that shocking

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<v Speaker 3>to me when I actually sit down and think about that,

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<v Speaker 3>that is out there a call a shout out to

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<v Speaker 3>white men, let us know if you've been discriminated against

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<v Speaker 3>because you're a white man. That actually becomes funny to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe people will tell me that that's not funny.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know what I'm talking about, but I

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<v Speaker 3>just can base this off of my experience.

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<v Speaker 2>In the world. That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not all we found. On that Equal Employment

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<v Speaker 1>Opportunity Commission website will tell you what else is there

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<v Speaker 1>and where do we go from here? All right? We

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<v Speaker 1>continue here on Amy and TJ The Big Headlines. President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump does an interview with The New York Times and

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<v Speaker 1>at some point saying that the Civil Rights Act actually

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<v Speaker 1>ended up doing some bad things for white people. It

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<v Speaker 1>treated some people very badly. You know what, we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mention and I should. I am so so sorry. He

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<v Speaker 1>also said in here, yes quote, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>also at the same time a pumplished some very wonderful things,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also hurt a lot of people. People that

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<v Speaker 1>did I wanted to make sure we got that in

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<v Speaker 1>the Diday.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 3>I did say that it accomplished some very wonderful things,

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<v Speaker 3>but it also hurt a lot of people. People that

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<v Speaker 3>deserve to go to a college or deserve to get

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<v Speaker 3>a job were unable to get a job.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was it was a reverse discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people. How many does that mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but it's a Somebody somewhere is hearing this

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<v Speaker 1>who is upset about where they are in their life,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in their home, the type of home they're in,

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<v Speaker 1>the type of car their drive, and how much money

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<v Speaker 1>they make, and they're hearing their president say, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the problem. These folks over here hurt you in

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<v Speaker 1>your career with this stuff. What an easy out. I

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<v Speaker 1>hate that as an He's given too many people an excuse.

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<v Speaker 1>And the president is saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, well yeah, when you also go on a fishing

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<v Speaker 3>expedition to try and encourage a group of people who

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<v Speaker 3>have I'm sorry but generally speaking, have always been in

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<v Speaker 3>a position of power and ask all of them to

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<v Speaker 3>say if they've experienced any discrimination based on the color

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<v Speaker 3>of their skin aka been passed up for a job

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<v Speaker 3>that you thought you deserved, but someone else got it.

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<v Speaker 3>And if that's someone else who got it, wasn't a

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<v Speaker 3>white man, Bam, you were discriminated against. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a scary sentiment to suggest to someone you can go

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<v Speaker 3>back in your life and think, yeah, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I was the most qualified or I was the hardest worker.

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<v Speaker 3>Why did that person why did she get it? Why

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<v Speaker 3>did that person of color get it? And all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, it's not your fault? How tempting? How delicious

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<v Speaker 3>is that to think, Wow, I got robbed of something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm owed.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm not going to feel bad about not getting

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<v Speaker 3>that position. I'm going to say it wasn't my fault.

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<v Speaker 3>It was your fault and your woke policies. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very tempting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and look if they have been folks are

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<v Speaker 1>being told that that is okay, and that is legitimate gripe.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now. The other thing about the equal opportunity I

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<v Speaker 1>did refresh, and there's another banner there. I was. This

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<v Speaker 1>was sport for me, I did say. Now, the other

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<v Speaker 1>ones that report anti American employment bias report anti American

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<v Speaker 1>employment bias under that it says they have resources to

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<v Speaker 1>help employees or job seekers identify and report unlawful national

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<v Speaker 1>origin discrimination. Now national origin discrimination is legit, but they

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<v Speaker 1>focused it all on America.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, if someone who was born in another country

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<v Speaker 3>gets a job over you, that's anti American discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's, my gosh, pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>That is scary.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You started off.

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<v Speaker 3>The podcast talking about coming home, Yes, Yes, and showing

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<v Speaker 3>us a TikTok tick talker named Benny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, maybe I shouldn't have. The name

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<v Speaker 1>is out there at this point everywhere, and it's everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>but we had no idea who this guy fifteen years

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<v Speaker 1>old was. Yes, And she explained that some fifteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old was out there and he dropped the N word

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<v Speaker 1>in a in a in a video and it was posted.

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<v Speaker 3>And it wasn't that he was singing along with lyrics

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<v Speaker 3>that that's okay and even you know something like that

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<v Speaker 3>it was. She was like, no, he just said it.

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<v Speaker 3>And the scary thing is the reason why he said he.

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<v Speaker 1>Could say I didn't get I didn't say.

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<v Speaker 2>It's twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that is referencing where we are, this

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<v Speaker 3>whole anti woke campaign. You can't tell us what we

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<v Speaker 3>can say. We're not going to be discriminated against us

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<v Speaker 3>white men. If I want to say the N word,

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<v Speaker 3>that's where twenty twenty six, that's where we are.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I took that.

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<v Speaker 1>It crushed my mood when she showed me that, because

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<v Speaker 1>we were both kind of shocked and the kind of upbeat,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw it in my just my heart sank.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of don't know this young man and where

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<v Speaker 1>he's from and what he's about, and if he's a

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<v Speaker 1>good kid, whatever it may be. But to see someone

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<v Speaker 1>say to camera in such an arrogant way, and who's

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<v Speaker 1>only been on this earth for fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, has no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>To say, I don't care. He teed it up, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. I'm gonna say it and just.

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<v Speaker 2>Drops y'all can cancel me. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just terrifying that the.

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<v Speaker 3>How suddenly there's a feeling of being emboldened, of being

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<v Speaker 3>supported to say things that normally would have absolutely been

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<v Speaker 3>not just inappropriate, but just devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>Horlmost now celebrated. You know what you made me. Just

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<v Speaker 1>think of the woman can't remember where she was called

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<v Speaker 1>the baby on the playground, the world. What she got

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<v Speaker 1>up to seven eight hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>Just shows you there are, yes, there is there are

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<v Speaker 3>people out there who absolutely are applauding this and.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel fine, why not go ahead dropping in words. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we just wanted to hop on on this one, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't the one we planned, but thanks Sabine. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna hop in here and try to find some

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<v Speaker 1>more story ideas from Sabina on TikTok over now.

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<v Speaker 3>T J.

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes alongside Amy Robot will talk to Yilson