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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, January twelfth, and this isn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily the episode we planned on recording this evening, but

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Speaker 1: our thirteen year old walked into the house a little

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Speaker 1: while ago and showed us a video from TikTok that

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Speaker 1: made us rethink our plans. And so here we are

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ one in

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Speaker 1: which we are talking robes about where we are in

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Speaker 1: this country in terms of a language which you can say,

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Speaker 1: which you can say, what words awful limits and to whom,

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Speaker 1: and how much racism you can seem to shout from

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Speaker 1: the mountaintops and it not be racism anymore. So let's

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Speaker 1: start first with the headlines everybody's been seeing about the

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Speaker 1: President and what he said to the New York Times

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Speaker 1: about reverse discriptination that's got everybody talking to it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, reverse discrimination.

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Speaker 3: President Trump said that white people that Civil Rights era protections,

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Speaker 3: by the way, have resulted in white people being quote

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Speaker 3: very badly treated. Yes, he said that, and he directly

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Speaker 3: attributed it to the Civil Rights era, and that it

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Speaker 3: was reverse discrimination.

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Speaker 2: And he said that.

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Speaker 3: When he was asked about his anti woke policies if

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Speaker 3: he was trying to make Americle white, and he just said, well,

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Speaker 3: I just want to have people who love our country.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So were you surprised to hear the president say this.

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Speaker 1: It's making headlines everywhere and folks are writing their opinion

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Speaker 1: pieces and people are giving their reactions and their videos

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Speaker 1: online at they're posting. But was this it's a shocking

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Speaker 3: It wasn't shocking coming from President Trump now because obviously

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Speaker 3: he his big anti woke campaign, his anti DEI campaign.

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Speaker 2: All serves that purpose.

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Speaker 3: So he's just stating what he's already taken action on.

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Speaker 3: He's just explaining the why behind it. But what other

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Speaker 3: why could there have been?

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Speaker 2: So it's not shocking.

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Speaker 3: I think what is shocking, though, is when you start

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Speaker 3: to see certain things on social media coming from the

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Speaker 3: administrations and particularly from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commissions.

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Speaker 1: It's a Saturday Night Live skit that was shocking to me.

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Speaker 2: It's a Saturday Night Lives sit it is it seems

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Speaker 3: So can we let you all know because I hadn't

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Speaker 3: seen this until you pointed it out to me, babe.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, this is a commission

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Speaker 3: that was formed in nineteen sixty five under the Civil

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Speaker 3: Rights Act. Well, there is a new commission chair under

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Speaker 3: President Trump. Her name is Andrea Lucas, and she put

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Speaker 3: was a message to explain what the agency is focused on.

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Speaker 3: So Lucas says, this, are you a white male who

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Speaker 3: has experienced discrimination at work based on your race or sex.

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Speaker 3: You may have a claim to recover money under federal

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Speaker 3: civil rights laws. Contact the EEOC as soon as possible.

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Speaker 3: Time limits are typically strict for filing a claim. And

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Speaker 3: then she goes on to say the EEOC is committed

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Speaker 3: to identifying, attacking, and eliminating all forms of race and

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Speaker 3: sex discrimination, including against white male applicants and employees.

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Speaker 2: That was shocking to me.

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Speaker 1: That last part is usually reserved to call out including

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Speaker 1: our Asian American community, including the Latino community, including the

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Speaker 1: African American You're not used to seeing. At the end,

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Speaker 1: protect everyone, including the white folks, not.

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Speaker 3: Even white folks, white men in particular.

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Speaker 1: Who have in this country, without a doubt, been the

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Speaker 3: Look at every boardroom, look at every person with power,

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Speaker 3: and almost all of them singularly are white men.

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Speaker 1: And we have now turned white men into a class,

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Speaker 1: a protected class, who've been discriminated against, who are being

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Speaker 1: discriminated against. This is not new, This is not surprising.

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Speaker 1: This is something that Jdvans in particular has talked about.

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Speaker 1: But this is something they've been going this direction. It

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Speaker 1: is offensive that any time. This is something that we've

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Speaker 1: joked about amongst ourselves sometimes as black folks, but it

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Speaker 1: is difficult when you make it up the chain, When

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Speaker 1: you look around in other people look at you and think, well,

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Speaker 1: the only reason you're here is not because of your ability,

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Speaker 1: it's because we need a diversity, right. And this idea,

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Speaker 1: now as you talk about white men, is all with

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Speaker 1: that undercurrent of if you are black, and if you

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Speaker 1: because you're only here because of this or that. That

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Speaker 3: You've kept through another white man from the position he

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Speaker 3: rightfully should have been. You never heard it exactly exactly,

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Speaker 3: and you spoke about JD. Vance and he went on

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Speaker 3: to X and actually, yes, got very specific said he

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Speaker 3: blamed all of these diversity initiatives for depriving white men

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Speaker 3: of opportunities. His quote is a lot of people think

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Speaker 3: DEI is lame diversity seminars or racial slogans at NFL games.

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Speaker 3: In reality, it was a deliberate program of discrimination, primarily

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Speaker 3: the color of their skin, No, it wasn't that. It

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Speaker 3: was to punish, to discriminate against white men. That is

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Speaker 3: what our administration is saying and selling.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was dragging into a lawsuit in my career.

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Speaker 1: I think I told you this when earlier in my career,

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Speaker 1: when because a white man sued because he lost his

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Speaker 1: job and I got hired, and this was the exact thing.

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Speaker 1: I had to sit across from a white lawyer for

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Speaker 1: a lawsuit. So this idea really robes is a difficult

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Speaker 1: one to stomach. And the way the New York I

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Speaker 1: put it down here the way the New York Times

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Speaker 1: put it. I'm sorry I lost that. Yes, President Trump

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Speaker 1: has equated diversity with incompetence and inferiority. That's it. Wow,

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Speaker 1: your equated diversity. If you're diversity, that means you're incompetent

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Speaker 1: and inferior. You're only here because somebody needs to meet

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Speaker 1: a quota or betaverse. We deal with it every day,

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Speaker 1: and something like this in the headline. It's not surprising,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people jumped on it, And I

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Speaker 1: just hope we don't because we could have gone on

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Speaker 1: and popped off. But I just I hope for better.

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Speaker 1: We too often in these cases robes, don't we We

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Speaker 1: end up talking about him instead of talking about what

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Speaker 1: he said. There's nothing we are going to say. There's

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Speaker 1: no way you can clap back or throw any history

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Speaker 1: at him or his followers who are going to give

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Speaker 1: a damn. It doesn't matter what the numbers show and

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Speaker 1: But why aren't we talking a little better? Why not

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Speaker 1: have a better and a more civil conversation about that

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Speaker 1: thing which is real, which is do you look at

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Speaker 1: people on your floor who are black and think they're

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Speaker 1: there because they work just as hard or they earned

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Speaker 1: it like you did. How do you view people in

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Speaker 1: those positions? It happens in every single office, It absolutely does,

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Speaker 1: and that it gives us a chance to have a

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Speaker 3: The President's said, Yes, and look, I do appreciate how

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Speaker 3: measured Derek Johnson was in light of all of this.

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Speaker 3: He was interviewed by the New York Times, and he

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Speaker 3: could have said a lot of things, he's the president

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Speaker 3: of the NAACP, but he just simply said, I thought

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Speaker 3: he was very measured. No evidence, there is no evidence

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Speaker 3: that white men were discriminated against as a result of

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Speaker 3: the Civil Rights Movement, the Civil Rights Act, and efforts

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Speaker 3: to rectify the long history of this country denying access

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Speaker 3: to people based on race in every measurable category.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and do we is anyone listening? Is anyone a

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Speaker 1: leaf that white men as a whole have suffered because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're talking about.

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Speaker 3: They are talking about universities and certain quota systems about

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Speaker 2: And how many white men are allowed into.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is all I can see them pointing

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Speaker 2: And they just want a merit based system.

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Speaker 3: But the problem is is, you know, we're not all

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Speaker 1: Man, What are we going to do? Where are we?

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned the and I have it up here

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Speaker 1: here in my face. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that

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Speaker 1: On their front page. As soon as I clicked on it,

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Speaker 3: It DEI discrimination. So that is a direct shout out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible.

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Speaker 3: I've never I've never seen this before in my life,

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Speaker 3: because you're a white man. That actually becomes funny to me.

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Speaker 3: And maybe people will tell me that that's not funny.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know what I'm talking about, but I

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Speaker 2: In the world. That's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: But that's not all we found. On that Equal Employment

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Speaker 1: and where do we go from here? All right? We

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Speaker 1: continue here on Amy and TJ The Big Headlines. President

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Speaker 1: Trump does an interview with The New York Times and

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Speaker 1: at some point saying that the Civil Rights Act actually

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Speaker 1: also at the same time a pumplished some very wonderful things,

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Speaker 1: but it also hurt a lot of people. People that

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a good point.

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Speaker 3: I did say that it accomplished some very wonderful things,

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Speaker 3: but it also hurt a lot of people. People that

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Speaker 3: deserve to go to a college or deserve to get

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Speaker 2: So it was it was a reverse discrimination.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people. How many does that mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but it's a Somebody somewhere is hearing this

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Speaker 1: they make, and they're hearing their president say, man, this

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Speaker 1: is the problem. These folks over here hurt you in

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Speaker 1: your career with this stuff. What an easy out. I

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Speaker 1: hate that as an He's given too many people an excuse.

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Speaker 1: And the president is saying.

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Speaker 3: Hey, well yeah, when you also go on a fishing

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Speaker 1: This isn't the one we planned, but thanks Sabine. All Right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hop in here and try to find some

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Speaker 1: more story ideas from Sabina on TikTok over now.

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