1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Big big shout out to our super producer, 4 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: mister Maxwilliams. I'm Ben your nol and we're kind of 5 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: like joining the show in media arrests. 6 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, res Es. Let's jump right in with 7 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: mo Raka. 8 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: There's something else that we have to get to here. 9 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: At the risk of sounding a bit pretentious, there is 10 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: this amazing audio texture. I would haul it to mobituaries 11 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: in podcast form because you have this tremendous prowess with 12 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: research and with archival footage. Could you know one of 13 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: the I think it's actually the very first episode, right 14 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: about the. 15 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: Kennedy impersonator bond meter. Yeah. 16 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so in there you're going to the secret 17 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: CBS vault and pulling footage and stuff. Could you could 18 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: you tell us like how finding that stuff works? 19 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so, I mean CBS and there aren't a 20 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: lot of them, my guests with CBS News a legacy, 21 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: you know, news Broadcaster is a is kind of a 22 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: gold mine of history. I mean, the archives go back 23 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: at this point, I think you know basically I think 24 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 3: about one hundred years they are. I'm not, you know, 25 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: not flattering my bosses by saying this, but it's a 26 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: mess in there. The archives stuff is just kind of 27 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: thrown around. It's not They're trying to get it organized, 28 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: I think. And we were in there. My producer at 29 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 3: the time, Megan Marcus, was in there I think essentially 30 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: in the Kennedy section, and her sister Zoe had said, 31 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: you know, if you find anything on von Meter, that 32 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: could be pretty great. So they initially had the idea, 33 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: and the guy who was working in the archives who 34 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: was found this great tape, found this great raw tape 35 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: of a man named von Meter, who was once wildly 36 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: famous as a Kennedy impersonator, whose career forgive Me, died 37 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 3: with the assassination, had much later in life, given an 38 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: extraordinarily raw interview about what his life was like, I 39 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 3: mean really from the beginning. And this was shortly before 40 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: he died, and only seconds of this interview had ever 41 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: aired in an overnight show that was long forgotten. So 42 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: this was virgin material and just so raw and frankly, 43 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: when I looked at it, I thought it sounds like 44 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: a sort of Academy Award obsessed. I don't think I am. 45 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: But I looked at and I thought, this is like 46 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: a Bill Hayter oscar like the guy, like the way 47 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: he just he looks, and I could see Bill Hatter 48 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 3: basically doing this. But to find that kind of archival 49 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: stuff is a real gift, you know, especially if no 50 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: one's ever heard it. And to hear this guy telling 51 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: a story that only he could tell. What was it 52 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: like to be incredibly famous, impersonating this president who, whether 53 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: you liked him or not politically, was incredibly glamorous, and 54 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: who was the center of American life, not just political 55 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: but pop cultural life. And then this tragedy happens, this 56 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: assassination happens. You become a living reminder of this horrible day. 57 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: And he lived for significantly, I thought, forty years. More 58 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: so it was almost like biblical forty years in the 59 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: desert there the archival really led. It was also just 60 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: a really great episode to begin with, because it was 61 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: about politics, about comedy, about pop culture, and in a 62 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: very dramatic way. 63 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: I would like to take this opportunity if I could 64 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: give a quick shout out to a good friend of 65 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: Ben and mine as well as the brother of super 66 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: producer Max Williams Alex Williams, whose podcast Ephemeral is a 67 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: fantastic example of diving through the refuse of history. He 68 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: has a great line and his description the best sources 69 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: on our cultural identity is not the official historical record, 70 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: asking the anthropologist, it's the town dump. And I just 71 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: think that is very akin to what you do with 72 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: digging through these things that a lot of people don't 73 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: think about or they don't really have a shelf life 74 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: beyond their functional first appearance. I wonder, you know, especially 75 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: when you start to use those as jumping off points 76 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 2: to dig into these amazing archives you have access to. 77 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: Do you have any any thoughts just about like what 78 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: obituary represents in terms of like the historical record or 79 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: is it just a starting place, like you know, I 80 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: don't know. 81 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: First time, Yeah, I think it's I think I think 82 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 3: it's the first shutter of history. I think it's a 83 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: I think it's a starting point. I think what's kind 84 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: of I mean, I don't know. I want every every story, 85 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: every person's life to kind of represent something beyond just 86 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: their life. So Lawanda Page, who was hysterical as Aunt 87 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 3: Esther and Sanford and Son. If people remember with Red 88 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 3: Fox in the seventies. I was on Twitter one day 89 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: and I saw this picture, this beautiful woman in a swimsuit, 90 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 3: young woman, and people somebody said, who does anybody know 91 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: who this is? And I thought she looked familiar and 92 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: it turned out to be Lawanda Paige, who on Sanford 93 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: and Son played this battle axe, this Bible toting battle 94 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: axe or the adversary. I love that term battle axe, right, yeah, 95 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: the Bible total battle axe, the adversary of Fred Sandford. 96 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: And I thought, all right, immediately, there's a great story here. 97 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: But then it also turned out to be a story 98 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: about party records because she had become a really big 99 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: deal comic in the nineteen sixties and seventies, or these 100 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: things called party records that Red Box really helped Spearhead 101 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: and Richard Pryor really found his voice on, which were 102 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: largely black, not entirely, but were these these really raw 103 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 3: comedy albums, really profane, hilarious and that came in brown 104 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 3: paper pat rappers because the art on them was really adult. 105 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: But it was it was it was like a whole 106 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: subgenre lifestyle. I mean, there was so much there, and 107 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 3: so that to me is like irresistible as delicious because 108 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: there's like a and at least two plots A and 109 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: B plot. There's her life, and then there's the whole 110 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: history of kind of comedy, you know, running in parallel 111 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: with it. That's why, by the way, not to go 112 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: over the top here, why I love doing my cooking 113 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: show because I always thought there was like three plot 114 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: lines going. There was the recipe, there was the life 115 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: of the grandparent, and then there was my relationship with 116 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: a grandparent, and all three tracks running at the same time. 117 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: Not to mention, cooking in and of itself is such 118 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: a performative thing, like a storytelling opportunity. It's living history. Yeah, 119 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: it's great. What we're seeing is. 120 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: The deeper exploration of a public figure versus the lived 121 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: experience of the person. And it reminds me of the 122 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: first time I saw a rendering whatever of Abraham Lincoln 123 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: without a beard. 124 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: And I was like, it's like Alex Trebek without a mustag. 125 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: I was as confused as my old dog used to 126 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: be if it saw me wearing a hat. 127 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: I was like, this guy was president. This isn't right. 128 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: It's so funny. 129 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: I love that. That's so interesting because I wonder, because 130 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: I had that experience too with it. I wonder if 131 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: that's so, if that's for for how many people that's 132 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 3: a moment kind of an epiphany or a jarring moment 133 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: or something. The first time do you remember the first 134 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: time you saw Abraham Lincoln without a beard? Yeah, it's 135 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: really wild. And he also looks without a beard. He 136 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: it's a little spooky because he looks a little like 137 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: Jefferson Davis and you're like, yeah. 138 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: Oh no, and also a little known. In fact, all 139 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: of his political prowess was contained within his beard, much 140 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 2: like Samsung. 141 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: It was Samson exactly. 142 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: That's great. 143 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: He was a facial Samson. Yeah. 144 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Abraham Lincoln noted amateur wrestler. Uh, comma on that guy. 145 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: He was. It's a true story. That's true. We shout 146 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: him out. 147 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: He was also a president or something at some point. 148 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: But you know, you get in situations and did a 149 00:08:59,679 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: few things. 150 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: Do we have time for any more dead things? 151 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: We've mentioned floppy disk skew morph So that's our word 152 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: of the day. We've got one for you that you 153 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: will surely remember. 154 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: Mom. 155 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: What happened to the public payphone? Are there any left 156 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: in New York City? Do you happen by them? 157 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: I did a story on this for CBS Sunday Morning 158 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: a few years ago, and I went to one on 159 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: the Upper West Side. I can't quite remember what the 160 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: count was when I did this story, which was nearly 161 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: ten years ago, I think, but there were very, very few. 162 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: The delight of doing this story was hanging out at 163 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: a public payphone on the Upper West Side and having 164 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: at least a couple of moms come by with their 165 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: little kids, because the kids loved to visit it because 166 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 3: it was such a weird artifact. They didn't know what 167 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: it was for. They thought it was funny. They thought 168 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: it was like a like a weird play booth or 169 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: something that you go to Hogwarts or yeah. Yeah, but 170 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: it was like and these, by the way, the ones 171 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: that were remaining, at least at that point, weren't charging. 172 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 3: And I'm not sure why anyway, but they weren't charging, 173 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: and so the mother would hand the kid a quarter 174 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: and the kid would put it in. It was hah, 175 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: We're having a phone conversation. And you know, they weren't 176 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: actually using them, but they were seen as such artifacts. 177 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't you know. The it's funny because 178 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: the phone I don't even remember that many phone booths 179 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: because then there were the phone kiosks, the one that 180 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: were that were. 181 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: Never as relevated, right, it was sort of on a pole, 182 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: like on a pole with a phone booth connected by 183 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 2: a chain. 184 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: Or they were like almost like semi detached homes like 185 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: town homes. You'd see a row of the phones right 186 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: at like an airport or something. 187 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: And it goes hand in hand with the pager too, 188 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: by the way, because that was what many people used 189 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: to do, pag your communication that they'd put in the 190 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: payphone number. And this is also, uh, it's such an 191 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: important thing. It's no longer able to be used as 192 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: a plot point in movies anymore. The payphone. 193 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: Well, I feel it's a great point because I think 194 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: that you know, Melanie Daniels to go back to Hitchcock, 195 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: Tippy Hedron's character and the birds would have been dead 196 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: two thirds of the way through the movie because remember 197 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: when she when they're in Butadega Bay and the birds 198 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: start attacking in that sort of climax, like about two 199 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 3: thirds of the way through the movie, and they're all 200 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: hiding in that diner and then she steps out of 201 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: the diner, but she has to go into a pay 202 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 3: booth and that's where she you know, and then the 203 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: birds start like. 204 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 2: Just throwing you yeah, I mean her eyes. 205 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: She would have ended up like Suzanne Plachette with like 206 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: her eyes, eyeballs plucked out, and the movie, the movie 207 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: would have just ended well, I love I mean, that's 208 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: always been an interesting dialectic, like Suzanne Plachette and Tippy Hedgron, 209 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: because I think people really ended up loving Suzanne Plischette more. 210 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: But Hitchcock preferred blondes, so you know, he killed her 211 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: off sooner. 212 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: But anyway, got yeah. 213 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: Also Hitchcock had some issues he did he did he 214 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: really preferred blondes. 215 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: That'd be a diplomatic. 216 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 3: Well, however, I will tell you that I interviewed two 217 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: Hitchcock blondes, Eva Marie Saint of course from north By Northwest, 218 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: and Kim Novack from Vertigo. I have not interviewed I've 219 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: only met Tippy Edron. I haven't interviewed her. But Eva 220 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: Marie Saint and Kim Novac both loved Hitchcock. 221 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: Just do you have to point that out? Nice? Okay? 222 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 2: Who was it who made some kind of problematic reports 223 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: that he is that was I thought, that's what. 224 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 3: But I mean, after all, he you know, had all 225 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 3: these birds attacker, so she wasn't gonna be abbey, but 226 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: she didn't have a phone booth to protect herself. 227 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: Really quickly, I didn't realize that the phone the original 228 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: phone booth was erected in eighteen eighty one was known 229 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 2: as the fans Kiosk in pots in Berlin. I was 230 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: in Berlin. Yeah, that was a public plaza. 231 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and do we know what it was made of? 232 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: Because one thing I found in that story also is 233 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: that the phone boots that were all made of steel 234 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 3: were actually kind of terrible, like the the acoustics were 235 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: really really bad, Like the ones he wanted were the 236 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: British ones that were all wooden. 237 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: That's right. 238 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: Last time I was, I was over in London. I 239 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: did the same thing as those kids in your in 240 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: your CBS piece. We happened by you know, one of 241 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: the At this point it's it's as British as like 242 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: the famous black cabs or whatever. Uh So I'm an 243 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: unrepentant basic tourist. So we saw the phone booth and 244 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: I remember, uh, this is embarrassing, guys. But I remember, 245 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: like on a cell phone, texting one of my friends 246 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: in the US and be like, Hey, I'm gonna call 247 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: you on a phone, and he was like, you have 248 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: a phone, you're texting me. It was like, hold on 249 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: for like eight minutes while I figure out this complicated 250 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: series of numbers. 251 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: And you actually placed a call from the phone booth 252 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: phone to I think, wow, okay. 253 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: That must have been pricey. I was. It was first. 254 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: It was not the best financial decision a story, you know, 255 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: But well, I think the three of us were way 256 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: more impressed with the idea than the person I was calling. 257 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: But still, you gotta get one under your belt. I'll 258 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: tell you what I love and I bet you you 259 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: do tum. 260 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: And this is just something that I think of when 261 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: I think of like the Golden Age of Hollywood is 262 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: like those really elegant, wooden, kind of French door telephone 263 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: boosts that you'd find in hotel lobbies. Yes, if you've 264 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: ever been to sleep no more. The thing that the 265 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: mckitchen Hotel, which is very much styled after that era, 266 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: there's a there's these little phone kiosks you can go 267 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: into and actually like, you know, pick up the little 268 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: phone and there's a weird message that is spoken to you. 269 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: But that is one style. And then of course we've 270 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: got the They went through different evolutions. You have the 271 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: kind of French store ones, you have ones that were 272 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: really bad acoustically, and then they kind of landed on 273 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: the ones that gave you a little more privacy. Originally 274 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: they didn't give you privacy. Privacy became a big, a 275 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: big concern. But it wasn't until eighteen eighty nine that 276 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: these were actually coin operated. And originally the original ones 277 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: you had to buy a ticket. Tickets. Yeah, Like, I 278 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: don't even know how that would work logistically. It's interesting, Scalpers. 279 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: I love the idea of a phone call. 280 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: Scalper. He's like outside the. 281 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: Booth, you know what I mean, hold out for weeks. 282 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: You can't get into this booth. You cannot. 283 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: So there there are other things. I think we've got 284 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: to go to you with this. Given your expertise, what 285 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: you have been teaching us about the nature of obituaries 286 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: and indeed the way that the past stays with us 287 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: even when it seems perhaps ephemeral, we have to ask you, 288 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: what are some non human things that you believe the 289 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: future might miss, you know, similar to similar to our 290 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: jfk impersonator, similar to the pager, even though the page 291 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: is still sort of around. 292 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, mean things that are 293 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: around now that people might miss, Yeah, things that were 294 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: already missing. 295 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: Right, things that in the in generations from now will 296 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: be yeah, will be missed. 297 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: Or curiosity if way. 298 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: Like going you know, going the way of the Dodo. 299 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: In some respects, I feel like it was ethical and 300 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: responsible of us to mention one of the big downers, 301 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: which is that print is often in trouble in terms 302 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: of like newspapers and stuff. But what what do you think, like, 303 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: if we're sending this as a time capsule to the future, 304 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: what what will people miss? 305 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: I mean this might seem really obvious and it just 306 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: occurs to me now, but I mean I think that 307 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: in twenty or thirty years, you know, our kids and 308 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 3: grandkids might think it's funny that people actually drove cars, 309 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: actually drove them. If the self driving thing happens, I 310 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 3: can imagine that I think they might. 311 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: So risky, it's so dangerous. My kid is fifteen and 312 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: it's about to you know, get a driver's license I 313 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: live with in Atlanta. I'm terrified. It's just it's always 314 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: been such a risky proposition. I hope it goes that way. 315 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: I'm sorry it's been on my mind. 316 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: So well, that's that's interesting, and I also wonder and 317 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: for real downer, but I think in fifty years people 318 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: will look back at cancer treatment. I hope they do 319 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 3: and think, are you guys crazy that you would pump 320 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 3: chemicals into your body? Like then think it was just 321 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: Barb barrack and like yeah, and think it was just 322 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: kind of crazy, like the equivalent of like, you know, 323 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: drilling a hole in your. 324 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: Head or using leashing leaching, Yeah, leaching. 325 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: So I think it could be that, and I think 326 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 3: it could be the you know driving as well, Like 327 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: so people would get behind a wheel and then every 328 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: year tens of thousands of people would die on the highways, 329 00:17:58,680 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 3: you know, like. 330 00:17:59,200 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: Roll the dice. 331 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 332 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that you mentioned this because I've thought 333 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: of this one too, and totally think to me, the 334 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: most bizarre explanation to like future grandkids or generations would 335 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: be no non autonomous vehicles, Right, we used to drive 336 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: by ourselves and see, well, how many people died oh 337 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: a lot. But we had this honor system. 338 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: You see. 339 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: There were lines that were painted on the road and 340 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: you just sort of agreed that you wouldn't. 341 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 2: Go over them. 342 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, so, like you would hit them 343 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: if you turned, and like, no, no, it was just paint. 344 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: People went nuts. That's funny. 345 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: And I wonder about eyeglasses too. 346 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: One thing. 347 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: Not to gross everyone else out, but this is more 348 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: like something that I remember from the past that and 349 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: maybe maybe I've just been fortunate, but I remember pack 350 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 3: it on fifty five. I remember in the nineteen seventies. 351 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: I totally use this kind of gross. But in the 352 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: nineteen seventies everyone had BO. I just remember that. 353 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: Like it just was so stinky London, the great stink 354 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: of London before sanitation. I mean, it's just you. 355 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, and of course it was mixed in with 356 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 3: cigarette smoke and all that. 357 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: People just had. 358 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: Like summer in the nineteen seventies just everyone had BO. 359 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, if you went down 360 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 3: this Smithsonian, it was like bo from all over the 361 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 3: country was coming down to the air and space being Yeah, 362 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 3: it really was like a stew and like and and 363 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: it was you know, Washington's already kind of very swampy 364 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: and human, but the whole city just stank. And I 365 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 3: I think what happened is maybe deodorant became much and 366 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 3: it became much more accessible or something because better and 367 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 3: better and better because people don't stink in the same way. 368 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 2: Do they know? You run out much more so if 369 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: you're the one you can usually people speak it out. 370 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: People notice also, I do. I do love that shout 371 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: out to this Smithsonian. Uh and the idea that every 372 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: summer they had an accidental bo curation, right. 373 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 3: Well, they work creating. It's so interesting. You're right, they 374 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: work curating a lot of BO there. And partly was 375 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: because it remained and I think it remains free as a 376 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: taxpayer dollars free, so a lot of tourists would just 377 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: use it as for the free air conditioning, just so 378 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: it come in there. 379 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. That is a pro travel tip, y'all. If you 380 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: if you like, have a flight that's late and you 381 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: need somewhere to stash your bags, go to a museum. 382 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: They'll hold your bags for you like a hotel, and 383 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: then you can just wander around the museum, even leave 384 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 2: and have lunch, come back, then get your bags go 385 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 2: to the airport, and that secret stays with just us. 386 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: Just us, do not contact the Smithsonian, folks. I just 387 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: wanted to really quickly add for my last last bit here. 388 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: A lot of this makes me think of that scene 389 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: with Little Elijah Wood and Back to the Future too, 390 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: where he does, you know, Martin McFly does his thing 391 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: with the guns the video game cabinet with the like pistols. 392 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 2: It's like an old and it's at this point in 393 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: the in the you know, the timeline of the films. 394 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: It's the future. This thing is a blast from the pass. 395 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: He's in this bar or this restaurant, Dino if. It's 396 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: like very nineties throwback. And he does it and like 397 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: bbbble knocks him all down, hits all the targets, and 398 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: then you know, puts him in his holster like he 399 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: does in the first movie. And then Lille Elijah Wood, 400 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: wearing his weird future headgear, says you have to use 401 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: your hands. It's never clear what that actually means, like 402 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: what would the alternative be to use your mind or what. 403 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: But I just always that always stuck with me, and 404 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: it's exact what we're talking about here. You know, the 405 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: way something that was so obvious and so the only 406 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: way to go could in five, ten, fifteen, twenty years 407 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: be just like absurd to a new generation. 408 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: Grandpa's got this weird obsession with using his hands for stuff, 409 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: Like I know he's from a different time. 410 00:21:59,280 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: Mo. 411 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: This is been amazing. We have just we have just 412 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: like two quick last questions. Yeah, that's all right, okay, 413 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: So uh, fellow ridiculous historians, we are literally hanging out 414 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: with the gentleman who wrote the book on presidential dogs. 415 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: I can't believe we didn't mention that, Matt. 416 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Ye be we love presidential pets, 417 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: ridiculous system. Yeah, I mean, we've done a couple episodes 418 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: on it. 419 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: We uh we mentioned your book previously, All the President's Pets, 420 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: the story of one reporter who refused to roll over 421 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: with this mode. We have to ask you our producer Max, 422 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: he met Max. He's gonna kill us if I don't 423 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: ask you this. Who's your favorite presidential pooch? 424 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: You know? 425 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: I I always I have some affection for Warren Harding's 426 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: Airdale Laddie Boy, and I love that the newspaper boys 427 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 3: of America each gave I guess pennies or was it Yeah, 428 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 3: I guess, and that was I think that what went 429 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 3: into the statue that was in Maid of Laddie Boy 430 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: when Warren Harding died before they realized that he was 431 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 3: one of the most corrupt residents in history. I loved 432 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: the Kennedy's romance between Charlie the Welsh Terrier, who was 433 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 3: kind of he was sort of he was pretty hot 434 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 3: that dog and Pushinka, the beautiful fluffy Russian dog, because 435 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 3: I always imagine, I mean, and I say this having 436 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: never sat through all of Doctor Shivago, but I love 437 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 3: the theme music, Lara's theme and and I always you know, 438 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 3: I mean, we actually told the story on a podcast 439 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 3: about Nepo babies because Charlie the Welsh Terrier was the 440 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: nephew of Asked from the Thin Man series, and Pushinka 441 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 3: was the daughter of Strelko, the first dog to come 442 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 3: back from space alive, because the Soviets before then, right 443 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 3: when the first dog they sent out like yeah, like 444 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: I just died out there, that's you know, and but. 445 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: You know, into a camera after or maybe it was 446 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: the other way. 447 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: And Pushenka then was given as a gift because Khrushchaub 448 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: was termed by Jackie, I think in Vienna and gave Pushinka, 449 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: the daughter of Strelka and Belka Belka interestingly, because Belka 450 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: I didn't I don't think Belka went into space. I 451 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: think Belka was like a stay at home dad, and 452 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: you know, well, Ostrelka was off in space. But Pushenka 453 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 3: was very beautible, and she was extremely fluffy and as 454 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: you'd hope, and she came to the White House and 455 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 3: the Kennedy's had a managerie pet. But it was Charlie 456 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 3: who went in for the kill. I mean, he just 457 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 3: I actually thought the clipper of the German shepherd, he 458 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: probably wanted Pushenka and probably thought he was going to 459 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 3: get her. But Charlie just had that swagger and you know, 460 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 3: and I've always imagined them with the single string of 461 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: spaghetti like I have to believe that they did that 462 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: lady in the tramp thing. But when they when when 463 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: they they they made love to each other. Pushinka and 464 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: Charlie de Welsh Terrier. They had their offspring were called 465 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: Pupneck and so I've always loved that story that the 466 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: pup knicks were given away during a letter writing campaign, 467 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 3: So I've always loved them. I do love Fido, who 468 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 3: was the first, of course fighter, and that was you know, 469 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: that was Lincoln's dog. And Fido is the very first 470 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 3: presidential dog to be photographed, and there is a photograph 471 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 3: of post photograph with him on what looks like sort 472 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: of a plinth that sort of draped. And the thing 473 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 3: that always saddens me about Fido is that after the 474 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: president was murdered, that a drunk killed fighter with a bottle, 475 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 3: and so that always has upset me. But Fido is 476 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 3: just has the soul of Lincoln, as does Lincoln's horse, 477 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 3: Old Bob. Like the name of the horse was Old Bob, 478 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 3: and he looks like just so kindly. You know, we 479 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: don't have enough kindly people. It's the word I always 480 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 3: associate with, what is it, mister Brownlow and Oliver Twist. 481 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 3: He's kindly, like we need more kindly, Like I'm sick 482 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 3: of kind I'm wrilli into kindly, and. 483 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: Also like doing poorly, I'm doing poorly kindly. I just 484 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: remember as a kid, like hearing Fido as just a 485 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: stand in for dog tunes cartoons. It was just such 486 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: before I even had any idea what the history was. 487 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: It was like an eponymous trademark or whatever result where 488 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: you just google something. 489 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 3: Now there's I think it's I think it's time for 490 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 3: a fighter comeback. Yeah, I think it is. Yeah, I 491 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: think it's time for a fighter. But I think that 492 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: those are among my favorite. I mean, I love the 493 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 3: Coolidge's dogs. I mean it's like Rob Roy and what 494 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: is the other one. They're in the first Lady Portrait 495 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: of Grace Coolidge and they're just beautiful, those dogs. And uh, 496 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 3: but yeah, there have been there. It's really hard to 497 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 3: choose a favorite presidential it was a presidential dog or 498 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: preessential pet. Yeah, yeah, way, Max is saying what about 499 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: what what is Max saying? I can't here we go? 500 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: Max's mask is saying, what about the raccoon? Coolidge is raccoon? 501 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: Well, the Coolidge raccoon. Uh yeah, I'm forgetting the name 502 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: of the raccoon. 503 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: And just get the reccoon. 504 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 3: Isn't the raccoon? Didn't the raccoon have something to do 505 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 3: with like a local softball team or something. 506 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: But Rebecca, Rebecca, now Rebecca the raccoon. 507 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: I do remember Rebecca And yeah, Rebecca, yeah, because I 508 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 3: was maybe conflating some of the Hoover's pets with the 509 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: Coolidge's pets. The Coolidges had the second most pets. The 510 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 3: most pets belong to Teddy Roosevelt, who had thirty six pets. 511 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 3: What is Max saying there now right? The cow Pauline 512 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 3: Waynees is the name of the cow. She's a Holstein 513 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: and she belonged to Taft. So Taft had the cow. Yeah, 514 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 3: and then then Wilson had the ram old Ike and 515 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 3: then who developed a tobacco addiction from eating cigarette butts 516 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 3: and was retired to a Maryland farm where he. 517 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: Died different time. 518 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a really imperdent time. 519 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: Max just wants us to know that they got another 520 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: another pet, raccoon, I believe Ruben, and Ruben was apparently, 521 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: according to our chat here, Ruben was severely a second 522 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: tier pet. 523 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: He was just overshadowed by but he was. 524 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like the second Darren of raccoons. You know, 525 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 3: if you you're a fan of be which But you know, 526 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing that in this is I 527 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: have not disclosed this anywhere, and this is hot off 528 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: the presses from Kinderhook, New York. I recently did a 529 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: story on Martin van Buren's home, linden Walled, named after 530 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 3: the beautiful Linden trees in the Hudson Valley, and I 531 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 3: one of the things I was so excited about was 532 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: that Martin van Buren had been given tiger cubs by 533 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: the Sultan of Oman during his presidency, and he was 534 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: known as the little Magician, so I always imagined him 535 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: sort of as a sincreed or roy, the one who 536 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 3: wasn't mauled. Sorry, but I always imagined. And when I 537 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 3: went up to Linden Wall to do this story, I 538 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 3: asked the ranger about the tiger cubs, and the ranger said, 539 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: without any warning, without any trigger warning, he said, that's apocryphal. 540 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: He didn't It's been proven that he did not have 541 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 3: tiger cubs from the Sultan of Oman. And I gasped 542 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: so hard that my producer acted like like as if 543 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 3: this was like I was finding out who deep Throat 544 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 3: was for the you know, like in Watergate, Like I 545 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 3: like that this was so so earth shattering or like 546 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: such a major like like should be on like all 547 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 3: networks at once. 548 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: That's the kind of story you just inherently believe because 549 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: it seems right to just see. Oh, of course that's true, 550 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, and you just kind of move on. 551 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 3: Well, I just with his mutton chops and which they 552 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: call Martin chops there like to buy gravity. He looked 553 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: like he looked like he should be in a circus, 554 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: Martin Vamberen. So it just con It's one of these 555 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: things that we have to in the news business to 556 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: be skeptical that just because something seems to fit the narrative, 557 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: we can't accept it right away. And for me, tiger 558 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: cubs from the Sultan of Oman underlined affirmed everything I 559 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: assumed about Martin van Buren, and I should have gotten 560 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: a second source on it. 561 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: Martin van Buren Kama, who did not, in fact own 562 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: tiger cubs. 563 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 2: Comma, you heard it here first God today, that is 564 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: that is the circle. I was just going to say, 565 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: speaking of folks that did or did not get mauled, 566 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: any quick hot takes on Commander the German shepherd that 567 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: apparently likes to eat secret service agents the White House 568 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: You major, right, well, no, commander as well. Believe yeah, 569 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 2: there's there's two. I don't know if they're both problematic, 570 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: but the news that I've been seeing is referring to 571 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: commander the German Shepherd, who I believe like has had 572 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: multiple attacks, one of which involved a bite so deep 573 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: that the Secret Service agent had to get six stitches. 574 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 3: Well, you know, so my service on that beat and 575 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 3: did when the book was published in two thousand and four, 576 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: So I'm not really great with posts. With post two thousand, 577 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: I moved on to grandmothers and the Ravioli at that point. 578 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: Jules Jusseran was the French ambassador to the US during 579 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: the administration of Teddy Roosevelt, and he had the seed 580 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 3: of his pants ripped out by a dog that one 581 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: of the kids had. I think it was a dog 582 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: that did that. Yeah, can Max check on that Jules 583 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,239 Speaker 3: Juiceran and that his pants were literally torn by a 584 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: dog that attacked his ass and want to do Yeah, 585 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 3: so can you can we check on that? Get just 586 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 3: a quick Google search because it's it did happen? I 587 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 3: don't or or maybe it was an evil cat, but 588 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 3: I do know that we had all to say that 589 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: there is a precedent for presidential pets attacking people, attacking officials. 590 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dollie Madison apparently had a very violent McCaw she 591 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: had Oh wait, wait, what did Max say. 592 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: Max is coming in hot with the facts. 593 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: That seeking in the phone and peacefull in knowledge. It's 594 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: just for you right now. It is Pete. Uh. 595 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: Pete tore the pants off Jean Jules Jusserande. 596 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: What a name for a diplomat. 597 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: And he also, Pete was a fighter. He was a 598 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: bull terrier, according to many reports baby a bulldog, maybe 599 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: a Boston bull terrier. But he's a real hard case 600 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Pete uh. And in nineteen oh seven in May he 601 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: got a little bit of not amazing press for because 602 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: he had a penchant for fighting another dog that would 603 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: get in fights with him on the White House grounds 604 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: and then run away and then come back and fight 605 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: another day. That's a very interesting thing. Pete had a nemesis. 606 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of that. 607 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: And I have to say, I mean, I wish I 608 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 3: had the discipline for it. It would be an interesting 609 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 3: piece to write with the news about the Biden's dog. 610 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 3: So you know we've been here before. 611 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I like that. You bring it back 612 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: to history, as we do to always do here on 613 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: ridiculous systems. Yeah, the thing with history of the name. 614 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: One one more question for you, please, almost a question? 615 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: So you were also in addition to your many works 616 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: of journalism, the shows, the podcast Mobituaries from Morocca, you 617 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: were also in what I think we can agree is 618 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: objectively the best episode of Law and Order SVU Authority, 619 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: which is season nine, episode seventeen. So we have to 620 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: ask what lessons did you give that up and coming 621 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: actor Robin Williams about showbiz? 622 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny. 623 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: First of all, I know that that episode replays a 624 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: lot because I get a check for four cents like 625 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 3: every few months, because I mean, it's aired so many times. 626 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 3: The flash mob that I was the leader of in 627 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 3: that episode, we shot that scene. One of the scenes 628 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 3: at least in Bryant Park. The other one I think 629 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 3: was in Grand Central Station. I guess where the two were. 630 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 3: And all I remember is that Robin Williams was It's 631 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 3: interesting because he was entertaining all the extras and there 632 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 3: were so many because there was a flash mob, and 633 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 3: you know, when the cameras weren't rolling, but I was 634 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 3: standing sort of behind him, and I remember that he 635 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 3: kept opening his body up. I really is when I 636 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 3: haven't thought about this since then, but he kept sort 637 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 3: of opening up his body to bring me into it, 638 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 3: and I was sort of a little bit frozen because 639 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 3: I thought I can't possibly like join in with you 640 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 3: to start trying to like keep these people entertained. So 641 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 3: I kept shrinking back. But I thought it was really, 642 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 3: I mean it was it was. It was very telling 643 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 3: and incredibly generous that he kept doing that, like like 644 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 3: you get in here too, and you you know, you 645 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 3: be funny with me, and that he was very very approachable. 646 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, ok, sorry, No, I was saying, by 647 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: all accounts of exactly what you're describing. 648 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: I also remember that when we did the scene like 649 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 3: Grand Central Station, Chris Maloney was a really nice guy. 650 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 3: I don't know him. I only dealt with him on that. 651 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 3: Every single woman, it's felt like who walked through their 652 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 3: rush hour was like when they would just come into 653 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 3: his orbit, was like ready to just abandon their husband 654 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 3: and just like. 655 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 2: Throw him onto the track. I mean completely. 656 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 3: I mean like and also like we're talking like New 657 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 3: York Long Island, like women who were like you know, 658 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 3: you know all types, but like you know, an Italian 659 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 3: broad who was like I got a husband at home, 660 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 3: but he can feed himself. I mean like like just 661 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 3: it was just the energy that was, I mean, how 662 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 3: he handled it. It was miraculously the energy at him. 663 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 3: He was kind of crazy and. 664 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 2: It sounds like it was none too subtle. 665 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: But the one of the things here that I think, 666 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: speaking of form and function, one of the things that 667 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: we have just encountered here towards towards the end of 668 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: our show is your gift for storytelling. You bring people 669 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: back to these moments, right, whether it's whether it is 670 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: maybe more recent past, maybe it is further into the 671 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: years of your And we just have to say, and Nola, 672 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I derailed us to talk about law and 673 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: order escue. 674 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 2: We love it. We're professional big fanc here. We stole 675 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 2: the sound cue for the longest time with our previous producer, 676 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 2: Casey Pegrams Casey on the case and we do the 677 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 2: dump dumb. But then we were eventually alerted by legal 678 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 2: that that was probably some very pricey ip and we 679 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 2: shouldn't be playing with fire with Dick Wolf because that 680 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 2: guy'll come for you. So we just replaced it with 681 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: us going dump dumb. 682 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: We were told in a very kind way, we got 683 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: a a our pages went off. We got a three 684 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: six thousand asterisk eight four. 685 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 2: And one seven. Yes, and we got a wolf he 686 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 2: means business. 687 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 3: It's I actually was driving my truck and I heard 688 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 3: about it over the CB. 689 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I'm with you, Ben. I mean, and 690 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: it's interesting how that need or that drive to tell 691 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 2: stories comes from the place of wanting to share with 692 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: people and wanting to communicate with people. And it could 693 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 2: be talking about a one off acting gig you did 694 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, or it could literally be 695 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 2: delving into the archives of obituaries and history and presidential dogs. 696 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: And the impulse I think comes from the same place, 697 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 2: and that's one of connectedness and wanting to share and 698 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 2: be part of the world, you know, And I think, Yeah, 699 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 2: you're excellent adit mode. 700 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 3: Well, thank you both. This is I really enjoyed this. 701 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 3: This has been a lot of fun. 702 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: Speaking of generosity, so thank you for being so very 703 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: generous with your time. We do like to deliver. 704 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 2: Uh. 705 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: The documentary about obituary writers for the New York Times 706 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: is and this was tricky to me too. It's literally 707 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: named oh bit. 708 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it was right there, the whole right in 709 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 2: my backyard. 710 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so where can uh this is a question. I 711 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: feel like we're obligated to do. It's part of the 712 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's part of the show. But uh, you 713 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: have so many projects, you have so many endeavors. Where 714 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: can people learn more about your work not just with 715 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: mobituaries with Moroka, but your your many other projects. 716 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 3: Oh gee whiz. I think like on X the platform 717 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 3: formerly known as Twitter. No, I mean if you, I 718 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 3: mean I'm on I'm on CBS Sunday Morning, you know, 719 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 3: a couple of a couple of episodes each month. Uh, 720 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 3: and the podcast is through there. I have a new 721 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,439 Speaker 3: book coming out in June because I can't stay away 722 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 3: from puns called rock to Genarians about out people who 723 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 3: had triumph slate in life, so and so sort of 724 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 3: the pre dad, if you will. But yeah, I'm around. 725 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate you being around with us on ridiculous history. 726 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: And holy smokes. As much as we want to keep going, 727 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: we're going to have to call it a day. 728 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 2: What a ride, nol. 729 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: I think we were both we came in with like 730 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: high expectations. I think we're both even more surprised. 731 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 2: Oh man, we well, I mean, first of all, you know, 732 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 2: we had all this whole plan about what we were 733 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 2: going to do and when mo Roka, you know, is 734 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 2: on your podcast. God laughs at your plans when up. 735 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some stuff we didn't we didn't get to, 736 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: but it was just so so much cooler to learn 737 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: about kind of this history of obituaries, the ephemeral nature 738 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: of the past, and peak behind the curtain. 739 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,240 Speaker 2: Folks. 740 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: We're recording this like a week after we did the 741 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 1: actual show. 742 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 2: Still reeling, and Max is here stif Yeah, yeah, Max, just. 743 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 1: Take you super producer Max and h we It's funny 744 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: because we got for anybody who's been a performer in 745 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: the past. You know, when you do live shows, you 746 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: get something sometimes called a show high. And I think 747 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 1: we had a show high, man. I think we just 748 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: like high fived each other and then left. I'm still high, bro, 749 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: definitely from the show thing. By the way, I was 750 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: scrolling around when I realized that I have like secret 751 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: like sort of faux cable through my Roku. It's like 752 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: the whole menu system and everything like on the old Exfinity, 753 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, systems where you can like scroll through the 754 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: different things that are on quote unquote regular TV. 755 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 2: And little bar popped up said Celebrity Jeopardy and guess 756 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 2: who was on him. 757 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: Was it. 758 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 2: It was Morocca? Oh okay, I didn't know if it 759 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 2: was a shot Aalan twist. Funny thing is though the 760 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 2: other three like what do you call contestants? Never heard 761 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 2: of them, so to me it was the only celebrity 762 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 2: featured in this edition of Celebrity. Are they still doing 763 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 2: co hosting duties with Ken? It's just Ken. This must 764 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 2: have been a rerun because I think Miam Biolic was 765 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 2: on it, so I guess that was sort of a 766 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 2: trial bassess thing. 767 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, this brings us to anytime we mentioned celebrities. This 768 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: brings us to our ending credits, the celebrities of Ridiculous 769 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: history that we would like. 770 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 2: To thank for making this show possible. 771 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: Super producer mister Max Williams, Thank you, Noel, and of 772 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: course famous famous arch villain of the show who aspires 773 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: to be on Celebrity Jeopardy one day, Jonathan Strickland, a k. 774 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 2: Thequister. Do you think the Celebrity Jeopardy contest and still 775 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 2: have to take that brutal test that mortals have to take? 776 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 2: Probably not they probably, I. 777 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: Think it depends they might get softballed. 778 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 2: Mo absolutely did and probably absolutely past it a million percent. 779 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 2: The reason I even brought up Mo being on Celebrity 780 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 2: Jeopardy is that guy is just a polymath of information. 781 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 2: I mean, he is a font of data and as 782 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 2: you mentioned, Ben can deliver it and tell stories with 783 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 2: such precision and personality that it was just absolutely a 784 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 2: joy to get to spend some time with that fellow. 785 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: Thanks so thanks to Mode. Thanks also to Eve's Jeffcoat. 786 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: Christopher hasiotis Gabe Blues. Yay, I'm saying his. 787 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 2: Name different now, his backcent on the Gabe, you know, 788 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 2: with a little vibe to it, like a like some intonation. 789 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: Big big things course, yeah, big big thanks of course 790 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: to Zarah and Elizabeth and Dave over Ridiculous Crime and 791 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: of course no big thanks to. 792 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 2: You, sir Ah. Yes, of course, thank you Ben and 793 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 2: to you as well. We'll see you next time, folks. 794 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 795 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.