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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode contains spoilers for the season finally of Pluribus. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jason Caztecio and I'm Rosy Night, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the podcast where we dive deep into

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows with Kylex and Pop.

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Speaker 2: Plus.

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Speaker 1: Were three episodes plus news.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, Jason teaser and the spoilers.

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Speaker 3: Watch out because the trio is back. We're going to Albuquerque.

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Speaker 2: We will be recapping the finale of Pluribus. Witches very

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Speaker 2: interesting and engaging and kind of exactly what we fascinated,

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Speaker 2: which I feel like is its own twist. And of

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Speaker 2: course we'll be joined by super producer Ian who's been

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Speaker 2: putting in all the feelers and thoughts into the High

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Speaker 2: Mind to see what people are thinking about. We're thinking

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Speaker 2: about a scientist of Pluribus. But first, of course we

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Speaker 2: got to be recapping.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it, okay, Pluribus season. In the finale,

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Speaker 1: we open flash forward in this episode, take note flash forward.

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Speaker 1: We opened seventy one days after the Hive Mind invasion.

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Speaker 1: We are up in the Andes in Peru amongst an

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Speaker 1: indigenous community. This is the young woman who we met

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Speaker 1: earlier in the season who is one of the quote

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Speaker 1: unquote survivors, and this is her joining day. She has decided,

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Speaker 1: she's made the decision that she would like to join

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Speaker 1: the Hive Mind. She's given them apparently her stem cells.

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Speaker 1: There's a plane flying overhead. It's coming in to deliver

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Speaker 1: the potion, the virus potion or whatever we want to

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Speaker 1: n a cocktail potion. She's nervous about it. The Hive

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Speaker 1: or telling her, don't worry, you know, like it's going

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Speaker 1: to be don't worry about it, like it's gonna it's

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Speaker 1: all love you. It's gonna be more happiness than you

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Speaker 1: can understand. It's gonna be wonderful. The jet lands, the

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Speaker 1: package is delivered. It's driven to the village and uh,

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Speaker 1: we have the ceremony. They it's comes in a like

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Speaker 1: a canister, kind of like large canister of mist and vapor.

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Speaker 1: She places her face over this and it takes it

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Speaker 1: deep inhale and then it's everything we've seen before. She

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Speaker 1: ground as she's convulsing. But then it seems like everything

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Speaker 1: has gone smoothly. She has wordlessly joined the Hive Mind,

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Speaker 1: and she gets up and all of the villagers walk

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Speaker 1: away followed. Now she is followed by the goat that

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Speaker 1: kind of confused as to like, wait, where are you

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Speaker 1: going take care of me? What's going on? And we

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Speaker 1: move on to the credit sequence. This was very interesting

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Speaker 1: and yes, something that we kind of predicted that we

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Carol and Zosha meanwhile are waiting for Mansuso's and they're

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Speaker 2: watching drone footage of him.

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Speaker 3: He is about two hours away.

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Speaker 2: I gotta say, like, something I think is so interesting

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Speaker 2: point of the show is Carol has no choice but

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Speaker 2: there's so many interesting parallels that we'll get into about

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Speaker 2: like relationships and kind of the weirdness of this. But

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Speaker 2: I also feel like, Carol, I get it, you were

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Speaker 3: Do you know.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing? I get it. This is like with

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Speaker 1: the village sequence. So we're gonna talk more about this

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Speaker 1: these topics with Ian. But I think, listen, we know

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Speaker 1: we understand that the hive mind can't lie, and they

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Speaker 1: a survivor's mind. For instance, the way that you know,

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Speaker 1: This is not what it seemed where it seemed like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is really interesting.

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Speaker 2: So Zosha's basically like, look, we don't know what this

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Speaker 2: And actually, uh, I'm gonna leave because I don't want

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Speaker 3: And then she's also like, how about like you.

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Speaker 2: Didn't meet him, Like what if we just went and

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Speaker 2: did something different? And Carol's like, nah, I think I

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Speaker 2: Zosha's like, well, we don't think he'd hurt you. It's

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Speaker 3: And they go, well, it would be preferable you didn't die.

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Speaker 2: That's definitely this moment is like they're like, okay, guy,

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Speaker 2: days after Carol's isolation and boom, Manzusso's pulls up. Carol

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Speaker 2: And then he's like, she's like, please just take put

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Speaker 2: That's a healthy suspicion that you should have in this situation.

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Speaker 1: It also seems like, again I think our theory that

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Speaker 2: So they they Onnestwatschenegger in commando just shows up.

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Speaker 1: I mean militia, you know, like something. So Manusos is like, well,

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Speaker 1: basically that what we thought about Menusos is basically true.

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Speaker 1: He's yeah, down maybe to kill all of them.

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Speaker 2: I think he's extremely focused on the notion of like

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Speaker 2: Carol's light, Well, they can't be evil because they can't

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because that is that Buddhism conversation we started

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Speaker 3: Know, speaking the roundabout. But Carol's like, look, just give

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Speaker 2: Man like they left and then you know when I

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Speaker 1: We'll be back after this, ye, and we're back inside

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Speaker 1: and Carol meanwhile was talking shit about like you're so paranoid,

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Speaker 1: this is ridiculous, blahlah blah blah. And then Manusa's finds

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Speaker 1: infuriated calls zoshas like, how dare you spy on me?

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Speaker 1: What is this?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: What have you put here in? Zosha's like, nah, that

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Speaker 3: Oh man, this is so brutal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Helen. Remember when you froze your eggs.

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Speaker 1: This was when you were trying to conceive. Helen wanted

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Speaker 1: fucking house. You've gotta get rid of the liquor, bro, guys, Helen.

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Speaker 1: Helen can't start her car without a breathalyzer, Like, no

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Speaker 1: Carol has this phone call with Zosha where she explains

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Speaker 1: and Manusa' is like, who are you talking to?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, what the fuck? Who's your friend on

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Speaker 2: the fucking phoat? And she's obviously like, yeah, it's the Widows.

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Speaker 2: That's my friend, my friend from the hive mind.

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Speaker 3: And he's like, what the fuck is prob with you?

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Speaker 3: That's just his theory.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Honestly, Carol, I gotta say you're kind

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Speaker 2: I would not know how to save the world, but

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Speaker 3: Make them work backfire. He's like, Okay, this is great,

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Speaker 3: But it's still very implied. We don't really know.

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Speaker 2: And Carol's just like fucking Mow from the Simpsons with

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Speaker 3: Get away from me. I need to see my girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Bah bah boom. She's back with Zosha. Zosha's not feeling

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Speaker 2: First of all, Carol, you're still pissing me off. The

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Speaker 2: And so she's like, well, we're leaving because this man

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Speaker 1: So Zosha tells Carol, like, you know, we have to

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Speaker 3: Like we're in love and everything. How about you like

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Speaker 3: She loves being her part of the hive mind. Don't

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Speaker 3: She's loving it. She's in the antenna minds.

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Speaker 2: I love you, you know this is why I care about Like.

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Speaker 3: Do not do this. I need you were meant to

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Speaker 3: have my consent, blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: And Carol suddenly realizes that there is not a fair

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Speaker 2: playing field here or rules that she can really follow.

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Speaker 1: So back in Albuquerque, Manusos continues to research electromagnetism in English,

436
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Speaker 1: so he's like studying English. While studying this topic, he

437
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Speaker 1: hears a helicopter flying over. He sees that it's carrying

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Speaker 1: a large crate. It drops the crate in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the cul de Sac. Zosha is flying with Carol

440
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Speaker 1: riding shotgun. Zoe strops Carol off and flies away, and

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Speaker 1: she's and Carol walks up to Manusos and was like,

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Speaker 1: you win, I just learned that they're currently working on

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Speaker 1: you know, her her eye in her mind. She doesn't

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Speaker 1: say this, but.

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Speaker 3: No, but like I got three months.

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Speaker 1: So she's so troubled by the fact that they're working

447
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Speaker 1: on the cure cure in air quotes for her without

448
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Speaker 1: her consent, and they're gonna try and just infect her

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Speaker 1: at some point three months in the future. And despite

450
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Speaker 1: her feelings for Zosia, which are somewhat of an illusion,

451
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Speaker 1: she's decided, you know what, Minnisos, you're right, let's save

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Speaker 1: the world. And then he's like, what's in the crate?

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Speaker 1: And she's like an atomic bomb, which feels very much

454
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Speaker 1: like Walter White with the M sixty machine gun at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the final season of Breaking Bad. What

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Speaker 1: will this mean? Let's take a quick break and then

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Speaker 1: welcome back in a super producer Ian to talk about

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Speaker 1: this episode, the finale of Curls, and we're back. Welcome

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Speaker 1: super producer Ian to the program. Superducer, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm great? What a what an interesting and compelling season

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Speaker 4: of television.

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Speaker 2: Truly late stage on the dog that came through and

463
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Speaker 2: is making everyone's best off lists?

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Speaker 3: Ian, how did the finale treat you?

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Speaker 2: Did you feel like it left you satisfied after the season?

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Speaker 4: I did. We've been talking about this in previous episodes

467
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Speaker 4: of the criticisms some people have with the show, how

468
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Speaker 4: much of a slow burn it is, and it's not

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Speaker 4: revealing enough, and you know, people want answers to the mysteries,

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Speaker 4: and I think some of those people may be disappointed

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Speaker 4: by this episode, but I personally love that it's like

472
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Speaker 4: not even really about the mystery as much anymore. It's

473
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Speaker 4: more about the connections and relationships between these characters, and

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Speaker 4: it's just more of an interesting character study in loneliness

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Speaker 4: and community and connection. And I think that's what's so

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Speaker 4: compelling about the show that it's like, you know, the

477
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Speaker 4: first two episodes present these big grand ideas and establish

478
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Speaker 4: this world, and as we moved through the season and

479
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Speaker 4: becomes less and less about that, and we really just

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Speaker 4: are focusing on Carol story with Zosha, and I loved

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Speaker 4: it and I felt satisfied by the end of the

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Speaker 4: episode the way things played out the showdown between Carol

483
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Speaker 4: Manuso's like that was really exciting and entertaining, and it

484
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Speaker 4: it kind of went the way I was expecting, but

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Speaker 4: there were some wrinkles in there that I wasn't And yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think just setting us up for the next season,

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Speaker 4: which we know is confirmed gonna happen. The second season

488
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Speaker 4: is greenlit, just to see where it goes here from

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Speaker 4: here with Carol Manuso's you know, now seeming to be

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Speaker 4: a line to try and actually try and save the world.

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Speaker 4: And you know, does she actually have an Adam bomb

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Speaker 4: in that crate?

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Speaker 1: You know, let's talk about the Adam bomb. Okay, let's

494
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Speaker 1: talk about does she have an Adam baumb in the crate?

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Speaker 1: Is a great question. I think she does. I think

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Speaker 1: she I think yeah, And I think now here's why

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Speaker 1: I think she has an Adam bomb. I think she

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Speaker 1: has an adam bomb because she understands that in two

499
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Speaker 1: months three months to the outside, they're going to either

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Speaker 1: fly a plane over with the aerosol and try and

501
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Speaker 1: affect her, or they're going to drop a crate with

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Speaker 1: the with the canister of virus in there, or they're

503
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Speaker 1: going to do something, and she needs something to deter

504
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Speaker 1: them from even coming twenty miles around her. And I

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Speaker 1: think the atom bom is what that is. Would she

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Speaker 1: blow it? I don't honestly know if she'd ever use it,

507
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Speaker 1: but I think she is so concerned about being infected,

508
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Speaker 1: affected against her will by people that she loves, that

509
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Speaker 1: she needs a way to keep them far, far far

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Speaker 1: away from whether she is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like just the threat of it is enough of

512
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Speaker 4: a determined exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's essentially, in my mind, it's like a time stalling device,

514
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Speaker 2: you know. It basically said, it gives them a bit

515
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Speaker 2: of space and time because we know that they're gonna

516
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Speaker 2: leave them alone during that time if they're doing stuff

517
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Speaker 2: they don't like. So, yeah, I'm very interested to see

518
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Speaker 2: where that goes. I also think that I like giving

519
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Speaker 2: it a timeline. I think that's really smart, and I

520
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: think a lot of big swing shows like this wouldn't

521
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Speaker 2: be like, oh, there's a three and a half month timeline.

522
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Speaker 2: But I think that that adds a really interesting situation.

523
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Speaker 2: Are we jumping in the next season? Is the next

524
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Speaker 2: season gonna seem like it starts somewhere else? But obviously

525
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Speaker 2: this has been such a huge season three, Like you

526
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Speaker 2: obviously want to stay focused on Carol. Okay, guys, Also

527
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Speaker 2: I have to speaking of her, I have to bring

528
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Speaker 2: up something really important. It has become very well noticed

529
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Speaker 2: on the Internet that Carol is like a peak Like

530
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Speaker 2: she's always like doing the meep face, Like there's just

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Speaker 2: like one hundreds throughout the show she's like this, Like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that that is a.

533
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Speaker 2: New space for Really, we've never seen her meeping out before,

534
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Speaker 2: We've never seen her with her little, unserious face. I'm

535
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: very interested to know, like what does she want for

536
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Speaker 2: Carol as a performer? Like we've gotten a lot from

537
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Speaker 2: Carol this season, but I think there's something really interesting

538
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Speaker 2: about the fact that even though Carol has evolved to

539
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Speaker 2: the point where she wants to help Manuso, you know,

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Speaker 2: save the world Inverted Commas, it still took her same

541
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Speaker 2: selfishness to get her there. Because it was when it

542
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Speaker 2: started to impact her. She didn't view the fact that

543
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Speaker 2: this was happening to everyone else as something terrible until

544
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Speaker 2: it was going to happen to her. And I think

545
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Speaker 2: that's a really interesting difference between her and Manusos and

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Speaker 2: Ian What do you feel like this episode says about

547
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: their kind of two differing styles of dealing with the

548
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Speaker 2: apocalypse and what we're probably going to see in season two.

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Speaker 4: So I think from the very beginning, Manuso's has been

550
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Speaker 4: very steadfast in his beliefs and his notion that this

551
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Speaker 4: is inherent wrong and I need to do something about

552
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 4: it because if I don't, nothing will happen, Whereas I

553
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: think Carol initially kind of started there, but because it

554
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: was impacting her personally, she was like, this fucked up

555
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: my life, This isn't right. How do we fix this?

556
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Speaker 4: And then over time, you know, she got lonely and

557
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: sad and realized she missed that connection. She developed this

558
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: bond with Zosia, started embracing some of the aspects of

559
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Speaker 4: this post apocalyptic world she found herself in, realized okay,

560
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 4: maybe it's not so bad. But then again, once it

561
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: becomes about her personally, where you know, she feels manipulated.

562
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Speaker 4: They're essentially love bombing her. They find a way to

563
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Speaker 4: actually convert her. It becomes personal again, and she's like, Okay, shit,

564
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Speaker 4: like this doesn't align with my agenda anymore. Okay, maybe

565
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 4: I do need to save the world again, because this

566
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Speaker 4: is messing up my situation. It's never really about for Carol,

567
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Speaker 4: at least for trying to fix it for everybody. I mean,

568
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Speaker 4: we get hints of that. You know, obviously I don't

569
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Speaker 4: think she wants everybody to starve and die. But at

570
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Speaker 4: the same time, she's still like, that's kind of not

571
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Speaker 4: my problem. Pick a fucking apple. You know. That's come

572
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Speaker 4: up several times exactly.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I would push back slightly against I do think that

575
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Speaker 1: selfishness is like I do think that selfishness is like

576
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Speaker 1: I play here for sure, Like Carol tried the Diabate

577
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: way here, It's like, what if I just like give

578
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Speaker 1: in to like the upside of this and traveling around

579
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Speaker 1: the world with someone who I care about, even though

580
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Speaker 1: it's you know, it is significantly an illusion. That said,

581
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Speaker 1: she also knows that the hive mind. While the hive

582
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Speaker 1: mind presents like on a person to person level as

583
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Speaker 1: this utopian communist kind of community, which it is, it's

584
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Speaker 1: also acting on its own selfish agenda, which is to

585
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Speaker 1: marshal all the resources of the planet to the detriment

586
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Speaker 1: of the vehicle of this intelligence, which is like the

587
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Speaker 1: actual human beings are going to starve to death in

588
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: order to build this antenna. And I think, like, the

589
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: you can't take all of the resources that are going

590
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: to be necessary to build this antenna without like impacting nature,

591
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Speaker 1: without killing ants, without you know, like the ecosystem is

592
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Speaker 1: going to be significantly disrupted by building this. And even

593
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Speaker 1: though again on a kind of smaller scale they can't

594
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Speaker 1: commit harm, they are going to commit harm on a

595
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Speaker 1: massive scale when they carry out the thing that they're

596
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Speaker 1: going to do. And so I think that while Carol,

597
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Speaker 1: Carol is being selfish, I think it's important to note

598
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Speaker 1: that the hive mind is being like very selfish.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, She's also I think interesting, it's also self preservation

601
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: for her, which is for them, which is kind of

602
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: this interesting central argument because even though there's this notion

603
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Speaker 2: of saving the world, there's also like what would happen

604
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Speaker 2: to the hive mind if you save the world and

605
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Speaker 2: that they introduce this idea of manusos and this potential

606
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Speaker 2: idea of being able to get back to the humans,

607
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Speaker 2: because then it makes saving the world less of a

608
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Speaker 2: nihilistic thing to stop the hive mind and more about

609
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Speaker 2: bringing people back.

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Speaker 3: Now I just follows, sorry, just quickly.

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Speaker 2: If this follows real hive mind law, that means there's

612
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Speaker 2: probably some kind of lead hive mind person that you

613
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Speaker 2: have to kill in order to get the rest of

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Speaker 2: the hive mind free. That would be your generic sci

615
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: fi way, right, But I'm interested to see the route

616
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Speaker 2: they go with it. If there is this idea of

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Speaker 2: other bodies in that other people being inside the hive mind,

618
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Speaker 2: still in their own consciousness, it's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the Carrol versus Manusos kind of

620
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: dual manusos. I think it like is the more is either,

621
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Speaker 1: depending on how you want to read it is either

622
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: the more extreme version of Carol, including the kind of

623
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Speaker 1: personality problems and communication defects that Carol has right, the

624
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: more strident version, or he's the more like clear eyed

625
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: even though he has less in commination to Carol. He's

626
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: the more clear eyed version of Carol, who's like listen,

627
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: what do you think you're going to fucking make an

628
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: omelet and break zero eggs? Do you want to save

629
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: the world or do you not want to do it?

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this confrontation, because I thought it was

631
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: so well done and it was you know, it was

632
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Speaker 1: really Carol for the first time kind of grappling with

633
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Speaker 1: here's what it may take to do it, you exactly

634
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: really want.

635
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Speaker 2: To do it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think this is this whole episode was kind

637
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: of an exercise of like, yeah, like how bad do

638
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 4: you really want it? Like you say that, because even

639
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: in the last episode she said like I need to

640
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: set the world right. This isn't right, Like even if

641
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 4: it makes means I have to be alone or unlikable

642
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: or hate it or whatever, I'm willing to do it.

643
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: But then in this episode, when she's actually confronted with

644
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 4: the possibility to do it, it's like, do you actually

645
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 4: want to do it or do you just want to

646
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 4: hang out with Zosha and not be alone? You know?

647
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: And so I think that she had like kind of

648
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 4: a mirror held up to her in the form of Manusos.

649
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: He is like, okay, like let's save the world, Like

650
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: this is what it's going to take like let's and

651
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: as you said, Jason, like you got to crack some

652
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 4: eggs to make an omelet, and Carol's like, oh, but actually,

653
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 4: I don't know. I really like these eggs, like Maybee,

654
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: the eggs are hot, like I don't know like.

655
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: That, No eggs don't die.

656
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: You're so sexy exactly.

657
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: And so I think it really is like Carol has

658
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: to confront that within herself, like because she's kind of

659
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: taken the easy route in some of these situations or

660
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 4: is kind of done like kind of the bare minimum,

661
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 4: or kind of half asked some of these things. You know,

662
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 4: like throughout the season, we've seen examples of it. She

663
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: didn't include the people who didn't speak English like that

664
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: might have been helpful for her. She initially didn't even

665
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: ask any questions or tried to gather any information, and

666
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: you know, she realized she didn't actually want to be

667
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 4: alone and really falls back into just being wrapped up

668
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: in the hive mind you know, cuddle puddle, and stopped

669
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: kind of questioning and fighting it. She did, you know,

670
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 4: keep trying to continue keeping tabs on them, but she

671
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: allowed herself to become really comfortable and kind of get

672
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: distracted from the mission, whereas Manuso says, like, fuck all

673
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: of that shit, like let's let's make something happen. And

674
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: I think she realized, like, oh shit, Like I think

675
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 4: I was kind of all talk. I was talking to

676
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 4: talk when I wasn't ready to walk the walk. And

677
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: Manuso's very much is.

678
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: When Manusos does his little I'm not even sure what

679
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: he was doing beyond it seemed like maybe trying to

680
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: jam the freak and see when he was doing the

681
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: thing with Rick and trying to sever the connection with

682
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: the hive mind Wi Fi in order to like reach

683
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: the person inside. I didn't.

684
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 4: I don't.

685
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: I think we were left without enough evidence to really

686
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: understand if it was working. But what do we think, Rosie,

687
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: what do you think was it working?

688
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: I do my gut says it didn't work in that moment.

689
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: But I think that by adding the idea that.

690
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: The people within the mind is still there, your kind

691
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 2: of body snatches vibe, which is what he said.

692
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 4: Is a huge imputense on this.

693
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, get out, And.

694
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: Also it gives you a much more significant emotional drive

695
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: to save the world rather than let's just stop the Sai.

696
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 3: The invasion. We don't know what's going to happen.

697
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: The idea that she could, you know, help other people

698
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: get back to their loved ones, I think could end

699
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: up being a drive.

700
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna know for sure.

701
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna keep this as one of the

702
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: kind of mysteries of the show until they need to,

703
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: you know, answer it. And I have to say, one

704
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: of our big conversations about this show was are they

705
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: going to be able to answer the questions?

706
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: Are they going to be able to land it? There's

707
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: so much here and.

708
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: I think something I really love about this show is

709
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: the finale has basically proven that it's not really a

710
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: mystery box in.

711
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: The way that we've known them, you know, prior with

712
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: like Lost. They they finished this season and Vince Gilligan.

713
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: Said, here are your two characters, here's the status quo,

714
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 2: and here's what we're setting up for season two in

715
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: a really traditional way that made you, like Ian pointed out,

716
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: was really kind of character focused and more about the

717
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: writing and the character journeys. I just find that really interesting,

718
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: and I think that that emotional character focus is probably

719
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: gonna push through to season two, which makes me think

720
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: having that idea of being able to bring the human back,

721
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: and also then for season two, my gut says, kind

722
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: of a horrible reveal of what it is to be

723
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: stuck in a hive mind body.

724
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 4: You know, it raises the stakes a little bit in

725
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 4: that regard, I think, because if it does turn out

726
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 4: that the real person is still just kind of buried

727
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 4: in there like a passenger in your own body, that's

728
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 4: pretty sinister and like dark and terrifying. If that's happening

729
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 4: to seven billion people.

730
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: Exactly, and that has not been something they've shared or

731
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: anything like that, right, And.

732
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: So if we learn that that is the case, that

733
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: makes this feel a lot worse, I think, and puts

734
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 4: a different little spin on it. And I also thought

735
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: it was really interesting when he was, you know, doing

736
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: that experiment with the radio. I was like, are we

737
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 4: gonna hear like the guy's real voice, like coming over

738
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: the radio frequency or something. I was like, maybe is

739
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: that what's gonna happen? So I love that they opened

740
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 4: up the possibility of that, as you said, Rosie, but

741
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 4: left it kind of open ended or ambiguous. Yeah, because

742
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: I think that is going to be a big focus

743
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 4: of the next season, is really digging into this electromagnetic

744
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: frequency and is there a way to connect with the

745
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: person inside if there even is someone in there. So

746
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 4: I love that they introduce that but kind of left

747
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 4: it as a little thread hanging to move forward with.

748
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 4: It gives us some runway.

749
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: I really love Ian.

750
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: There was something that you kind of read from this

751
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: that I thought I probably like crossed my mind during

752
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: the show, but you really dug into it in a

753
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: way that I think is really cool. So could you

754
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about like the kind of brain

755
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: chemistry conversation and happiness conversation and how you read that

756
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: and what you felt like it might be hinting about

757
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: the hive mind?

758
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 4: Sure? Yeah, So when I was watching that scene where

759
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 4: they're at the ski lodge, it immediately made me think, Okay,

760
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 4: like what physically causes happiness in the body, And you

761
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: know Zosha's talking about dopamine and serotonin and oxytosein all

762
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: these there's a brain chemistry that produces a sensation of happiness.

763
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: And so in my mind I was thinking, like, oh,

764
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 4: is that maybe like the show dropping a little hint

765
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 4: or a clue that you know, is that how the

766
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 4: virus works by rewriting your DNA to produce, you know,

767
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: an abundance of these hormones or change your brain chemistry.

768
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 4: And then it made me think, is there a way

769
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: if we can block some of those chemicals or that

770
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 4: brain chemistry to reverse the joining or to temporarily stop it,

771
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 4: to be able to communicate with a person inside still

772
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: if they are there. So that got me thinking like,

773
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: maybe is that a way to fix the situation or

774
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 4: is that a clue as to how you know the

775
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 4: virus works or affects the people. So I thought that

776
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 4: was really interesting and again like kind of set up

777
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: a potential thread for the next season. Jason, what did

778
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 4: you think about that conversation?

779
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was really interesting, And I think, again,

780
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: one thing I think this show is doing really well

781
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: is makes you consider what the impact of like an

782
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: unjoining could be. Like we've already seen that it could

783
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: penetrate lead to millions, if not billions, of death, And

784
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: I think I think you're right in that the show

785
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: is setting the stage for these particular chemicals being important

786
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: to this process, And you know, it leaves me wondering,

787
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: much like drug addicts, like who the people who do

788
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: too much Molly or people who have gotten off of meth.

789
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: Can you run here?

790
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can you be happy? What if in disconnecting from

791
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: the hive mind and blocking these chemicals, you can no

792
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: longer be happy?

793
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: Oh dude, damn.

794
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

795
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: So I love that because I had considered right that

796
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: everything that we Ian's kind of pointed out there and

797
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: everything we've talked about the notion of like maybe the

798
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: reason why they scream and stuff, and we're just trusting,

799
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, what the hive mind say, but we don't

800
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: know if the what they're really screaming at is like

801
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: the feeling of the other person, like trying to claw

802
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 2: their way back to the top. You know, we don't

803
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: really know what their feelings are or what the hive

804
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 2: mind is truly experiencing because they're so good at intense

805
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: emotional manipulation. Like, I love this thing, Ian, And I

806
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: think this kind of leans into what we were talking

807
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: about too, about dopamine and stuff like that. But this

808
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: kind of read on the show is like it's about

809
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: being in an abusive relationship or there's analogies at least

810
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: to this notion of like the love bombing, the abandonment,

811
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: the waiting until you beg them to come back because

812
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 2: you're so alone because they've isolated you from everyone else.

813
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: And then they come back, and then the reality of

814
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: what they want is that they want to convince you

815
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: to do something, and in this case, it's to convince

816
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: Carol to join. And we see that in that moment

817
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: with the we love you Carol, but she goes we

818
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: and then she says I love you Carol because she

819
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: wants to manipulate her. You know. So, I think this

820
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: notion of it being about dopamine and being about love

821
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: bombing and being about trying to make somebody happy really

822
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: is an interesting soup to kind of really be like

823
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: seasoning and taking into season two. Could you talk a

824
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: little bit about because it feels really intentional And now

825
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: Manuso's kind of is the blow up your life friend

826
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: who's like, You're going to blow up your life to

827
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: get out of this shitty relationship, it's worth it. What

828
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: do you think the show is going to do with

829
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: that in season two? Like what are they establishing there

830
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: with the hive mind? Is this just another way to

831
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: show the us that they're the bad guys, like or

832
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: is this kind of like something deeper that's going to

833
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: connect as we go forward.

834
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 4: What do you think because it is really unclear or

835
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 4: I feel like the show wants it to be kind

836
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: of ambiguous or make you question, like is the Hive

837
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 4: Mind actually the villain the bad guy? Like is there

838
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 4: a villain you know? Or is this just like nature

839
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 4: running its course? So hmm, that is an interesting.

840
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: Question, Harry David Atimbry like that read is like is

841
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: this just what happens? And I kind of like the

842
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: way that there are these sinister undertones even though the

843
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: entire notion of the show is.

844
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: Like everyone's so happy to be in the Hive Mind.

845
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: So I'm very interested to see if next season is

846
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: going to be an exploration of the depression or how

847
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: depression could break it through or something like that.

848
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: I ask you this. I still feel as if the

849
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: cold open from was it the previous episode of the

850
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: episode before where we see Manusos's blood hitting the floor

851
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: of the hospital as they're doing surgery on him. He

852
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: was in there for I don't know. It seemed like

853
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: at least a couple of days right in the hospital

854
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: before he came to or at least long enough to

855
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: knock the infection down. During that period, they potentially would

856
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: have been able to harvest anything they wanted from him,

857
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: And I would not put it past them at that

858
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: period because clearly they were done. They did not need

859
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: to ask his permission in order to save his life.

860
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like, once they're in there working on oh, absolutely,

861
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: they can take anything they want. So was that a

862
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: clue and are they? We understand Carol kind of figured

863
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: it out when Zosha pitched it to her, like, hey,

864
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: you know, you should think about joining, but it's not

865
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: even on his radar right now, and it's not on

866
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: Carrol's radar either that they might be working on something

867
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: for Manusos. Do we think that they have Manusos's enough

868
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: of Menuslus's genetic material to make a virus for him?

869
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 4: Yes, I wouldn't put it past the hive mind. I

870
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 4: think they do for all the reasons you laid out.

871
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 4: And actually that is interesting that Carol and Manuso's never

872
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: really discussed that. They never talk together. Yeah, they never

873
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 4: talk about it, so he doesn't know that that's a possibility.

874
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 4: And I think it's kind of fucked up that Carol

875
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: hasn't mentioned that's it. But maybe she's like ashamed or

876
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: embarrassed that, like, you know, they got one up on me,

877
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 4: they got my eggs, they're working on it. I'm kind

878
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: of screed. Maybe she's like doesn't want to admit that.

879
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: I think it's important to also recognize with that note

880
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: that maybe she's scared, maybe she's embarrassed, maybe she's a shamed.

881
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: She does lie to Manusos about oh yeah, yeah, the

882
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: relationship with Zotia and everything that it entails, and attempts

883
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: to obuscate the whole thing, and you know, I don't

884
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: know that when she comes back, he's gonna be like,

885
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: he's you know, well, I was just on a week

886
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: long fuckfest with the hive mind. I don't know that

887
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: that's exactly gonna be the reveal. So I think Carol

888
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: has a lot of shame around the fact that she

889
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: caught feelings for this thing that she still clearly has.

890
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: I agree with you completely.

891
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: Do you think that Zosha is going to be an

892
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: important part of season two? Do you think Zosha's use

893
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: is kind of done?

894
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: Do you yeah?

895
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: How do you feel do you think she's still going

896
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: to be that thing that they're like holding over Carol?

897
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, because they because they want to, and

898
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: in fact, they kind of need to. I feel like

899
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: before they can really start their whatever their project is

900
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: in safety, they kind of need to make sure that

901
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: they don't have any survivors that are either one a

902
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: drain on resources because like, whatever do you bought? Diabati's

903
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: not working against them, but he's also like using a

904
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: lot of shit, He's burning through.

905
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: Stuff the resources they came for.

906
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna need to marshal all of the biomass

907
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: to build this thing, right, would one would assume, And

908
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: two then they have the issue of people working against

909
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: them and potentially any of the survivors deciding at some

910
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: point to work against them. So I would assume that

911
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: they really, really really want to get the issue of

912
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: the survivors kind of cleared up as quickly as they can,

913
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: and the fact that they're working and have been working

914
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: behind the scenes on a cure for Carol, and they

915
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: have Zosha as the point person to be like, keep

916
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: her happy, keep the fuck fest going, go to Tokyo,

917
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: go to Spain, go to Barcelona, go to light just

918
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: keep her busy, I think, And even that they shared

919
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: that look in the helicopter, whereas Carol's like, I'm gonna

920
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: work against you, but I I have feelings for you,

921
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: and this is complicated. Zosha is absolutely going to be

922
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: an important part of this and it's going to be

923
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: interesting to see just how That's why I'm manipulative they

924
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: can get because they are being manipulative, you know, in

925
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: the kind of most positive version of the way. What

926
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: do you guys think, do you think Zosha's going to

927
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: be like the lead manipulator and chief or is it

928
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 1: going to be something less sinister.

929
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 4: I think they have to keep her because that is

930
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 4: like the carrot on the stick dangling in front of

931
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 4: Carol to you know, it's like, oh don't you miss Zosha?

932
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 4: Like come are you sure? Like you know, she really

933
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: misses you, She would love to see you, you know, Like,

934
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 4: I think they have to keep that going because that's

935
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 4: the one connection that Carol really has truly formed. That's

936
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: the one thing that they can use to to, you know,

937
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 4: manipulate her. I think everything else they've tried really hasn't worked.

938
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 4: You know, she rejected almost everything else they try to

939
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 4: offer her. But she, we know, has this intense like

940
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 4: ownership feeling over Zosha. You know, she's like your your mine,

941
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 4: you're my chaperone, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I

942
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: don't think there's going to be a way they can

943
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: get rid of her. That that's the only thing they

944
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 4: have that has a holdover Carol.

945
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: Let's some okay, quick hitting things that we don't know,

946
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: and let's quickly just give our predictions about these things. One,

947
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: we don't know how the electra electromagnetic communication actually works,

948
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: but we sense that Manuso's onto something. Do we think

949
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: that Do we think that Manuso's was like actually close

950
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: to separating Rick, Yes or no?

951
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: I think I think he's onto something because we hear

952
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 4: the frequency change we shut it sounds different than normal.

953
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 4: So I think he's onto something there and he's going

954
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: to continue doing that research to figure out how to

955
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 4: disrupt that signal.

956
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: Do we think that there is a way to reverse

957
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: the joining? And do we think it's something that won't

958
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: kill billions, millions or hundreds of thousands of people.

959
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: I think they all get to be able to do it.

960
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: My biggest guess is if they are building this big antenna,

961
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: then kind of like you know, as we have seen

962
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: in the popular X Men movies. I also believe that

963
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: you would probably be able to reverse or reverse engineer

964
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: the antenna so that the frequency that stops it or

965
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: knocks out that frequency, some kind of EMD pulse or

966
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: whatever kind of could go out through that giant antenna

967
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: and stop.

968
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: The plan or something.

969
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: I feel like the whole radionus of it all and

970
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: the frequency of it all means that it will be

971
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: able to be used against them. Now, Jason, your question.

972
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 2: I think that Vince Giligan is not afraid to tell

973
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: a shocking story or to upset people or do something

974
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: that is shocking. And I do think that maybe part

975
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: of what he wants to ask here is like the

976
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: good of the fevers the many, and how many is

977
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: worth it? And I think we might get that question

978
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: as we had into the show, which is, I.

979
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: Mean another thing, do we think that if there is

980
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: a way to reverse the joining, that people are going

981
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: to be happy about it when they're out? I mean,

982
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: I think it's an open question.

983
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: Oh, Jason, that's such a good point, because suddenly.

984
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: People don't have to pay rent, they don't have to

985
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: pay you know, food. We don't know if they're enjoying

986
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: it inside there or not.

987
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know, they say right, they might be

988
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: enjoying it.

989
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: They might be enjoying it.

990
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: Maybe all their medical problems essentially solved.

991
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: They don't, you know.

992
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: I love that question, Jason. Do people want to be

993
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 2: bought back? And that could be something that comes into

994
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: season two. If they find a frequency where they can

995
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 2: communicate with the people who are trapped inside the Hive Mind,

996
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: you may find that there are even different delegations and

997
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: factions within there who have different mindsets about it. That

998
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: would be so interesting to see.

999
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 4: I could totally see a situation where if they are

1000
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 4: able to reverse it for somebody, they're like, what are

1001
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 4: you doing? Like put me back in? Put me back in?

1002
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 4: Like it was amazing, Like yeah, that would be crazy.

1003
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 3: I was happy the fast time, Yeah.

1004
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, okay.

1005
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: And then we understand that the Hive Mind eventually is

1006
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: going to build this antenna. They want to spread the message.

1007
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: That's clearly a huge, huge part of what drives them

1008
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: is gratitude and love around this message so much show

1009
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: that they believe that it must be shared with the

1010
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: entire world. Is that so, what's the actual end goal?

1011
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: Do we think, like this is where you're surmising this,

1012
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: but is it just to spread the virus or is

1013
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: is the infrastructure? Is the antennas are the Is the

1014
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: antenna system important? You know? Like how many antennas in

1015
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: space are there? How many have been built? And is

1016
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: that what the point is? Like, what do we think

1017
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: the point of this is.

1018
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: I really like your read on the nature of kind

1019
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: of the duality of it, because I do think that

1020
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: to me, the antenna I love your notion of like

1021
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 2: it almost being like an AI like self generating machine

1022
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: kind of thing where it just has to constantly keep

1023
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: building these antennas to replicate I would love something as

1024
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: like esoteric as that.

1025
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: But I also do.

1026
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: Think that the antennas could be the first part in

1027
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 2: a larger plan and then you all connect with each

1028
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 2: other and then you have a soul hive mind that's

1029
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: running the whole universe and you can terraform the planets

1030
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: however you need, or whatever other version you want to do.

1031
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: I think the big question going into season two that

1032
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 2: will answer all of these questions is.

1033
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 3: There like a queen, Like is there a leader of

1034
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: the hive mind? And who is that? And what did

1035
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: they want? That's what we need to know.

1036
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think to that point, I think to understand

1037
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 4: that we need to know like where did the virus

1038
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 4: actually originate? Is it was it Kepler twenty two B

1039
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 4: or was that just another planet similar to Earth where

1040
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 4: it got beamed and they just spread it on. So

1041
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 4: I think once we figure out the true origin the virus,

1042
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 4: whether it you know, occurred biologically or it was a

1043
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 4: bioweapon or was engineered by someone like whoever created the virus,

1044
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 4: I think once we learn that origin, then we'll know

1045
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 4: more about what the true goal is because if someone

1046
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 4: created it and sent it out, like I think they

1047
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 4: have a bigger plan beyond just spreading it.

1048
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: Okay, quick predictions for season two, Rosie.

1049
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: I think that it's going to expand out, but I

1050
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 2: think we'll see Albuquerque still be the base. I think

1051
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: we're going to get more international intrigue. I think we

1052
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: will also get more insight into the lives of the survivors,

1053
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: maybe some kind of underground pive mind rebellion. I do know,

1054
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: I can't believe that the hive mind works so well

1055
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: that seven million people are just completely fine, like I just.

1056
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 3: Knows only Sevebellian. I don't believe that.

1057
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: There's like only eleven people who aren't at all going

1058
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: to be impacted by it after a long long time.

1059
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know. I'm I'm intrigued.

1060
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: I think the show is doing a great job at

1061
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: keeping us guessing while also just kind of, you know,

1062
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: following a lot of the rules of what we enjoy

1063
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 2: about these kind of programs. So I'm kinda yeah, who knows,

1064
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 2: we'll see, but definitely.

1065
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 3: Is the new clip I'm gonna go off? I need

1066
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 3: to know, and what's your predictions?

1067
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 4: So I think we're gonna continue to see Carol and

1068
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 4: Manusos do a deep dive into this electromagnetism thing and

1069
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 4: try to really crack that. But what I would love

1070
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 4: to see is to expand the world the scope of

1071
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 4: the show a little bit, checking a little bit more

1072
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 4: of some of the other survivors. You know, we didn't

1073
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 4: see Diabate again in this finale. I would like love

1074
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 4: to check in with him, maybe even lonch me and

1075
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 4: see what their experience is like. As this continues to progress,

1076
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 4: and then I think, yeah, hopefully we learn more about

1077
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 4: the origin of the virus or what the end goal

1078
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 4: of the of the Hive Mind is.

1079
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: I think that at some point in the in the

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Speaker 1: coming season, the Hive Mind will cut off all contact

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Speaker 1: with Carol and Manusos, like not answer the phone, like

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Speaker 1: you can't use the phone anymore. They're just going to

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Speaker 1: disconnect it. And I think they're going to like whatever

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Speaker 1: their version of like quarantining Carol and Manusos. I think they.

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Speaker 1: I think they build like a twenty foot wall around

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Speaker 1: Albuquerque and they just are like or they keep a

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Speaker 1: you know, one hundred mile perimeter around them where nobody

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Speaker 1: goes into it. And if they move fifty miles east,

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Speaker 1: they shift the perimeter fifty miles east, and they're just

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Speaker 1: going to stay completely away from them physically.

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Speaker 2: They walk out the safe distance between what they would

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Speaker 2: need if the bomb went off, and they just always.

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Speaker 3: Constantly that far away from them. Oh, that would be

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Speaker 3: so funny.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's been a fun season. Can't wait come back.

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Speaker 1: I'm already missing it. On the next episode of X

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Speaker 1: ray Vision, we're diving into a discussion on live action

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Speaker 1: adaptations of anime and an interview with horror author Stephen

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Speaker 1: Graham Jones. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: Bye bye. X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepcion

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Speaker 1: and Rosie Knight. And is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay wag.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and Heidi.

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Speaker 3: Our discorded moderate, though