WEBVTT - JJ Redick 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:04.680 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Busting with 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:10.200 the Boys, the greatest podcast of all time, sponsored and presented. 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:11.680 By the greatest vehicle. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.560 To ever touch rubber on the road, the Chevy Silverado. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.279 Silverado is strong and dependable as the people who drive them. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.599 Chevy Severrado, modern and advanced with a ton of grit, 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.960 a partner and getting things done, especially when it comes 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.080 to the heart and soul of pickup truck the bed. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.160 With Silverado, you get the most functional bed of any competitor, 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.360 best in class, standard cargo volume. 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Freedom is not free. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.440 Enjoy the things you're gifted in this country, given by 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.200 the people who are making the ultimate sacrifice. 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:17.080 That is a huge deal this week, this episode, banger. 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.520 That's why I had a cloud going on the entire 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.800 time because I was thinking about we had fucking JJ 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:26.480 Reddick on the bus, who's literally everywhere right now, Yes, bro, everywhere, dude, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.000 every way you look, you see people saying like we 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.039 need to protect them at all costs. On ESPN, like 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:31.959 all this, all of us. He's on first take a 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.160 lot right, first take. I don't want sure what other 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:38.240 segments stephen A Smith and that hairline, yeah, he said 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.000 in that airline and mad Dog like JJ's out there 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.280 fighting the good fight. He really the boys very very 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:48.919 intellect very intellectual. Yeah, very that's the word. That's the word, guys, 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:50.800 A fucking very insightful. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.040 His vocabulary kind of pissed me off a little bit 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.400 because it made me feel less than It's my own 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:56.880 issue though, that is my own issue. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.840 Yeah, it's my own bag to unpacked. Pat McAfee did 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:01.480 the other day like, if you're gonna be done, like 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:02.440 you gotta be a tough guy. 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:03.080 Yeah. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.840 I think when JJ's talking you get a little mad, 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.120 you want to get a little tough. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:08.320 Tough, all right, yeah, so look at me. I'm doing 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:09.600 what I'm supposed to be doing. Then you know what 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.120 I'm saying, You're in the beautiful thing what you need 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:12.320 to be. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.280 And a cool thing that JJ said to us was 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:16.960 that like he's like not doing a lot of stuff 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:17.679 with people right now. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.040 Like he committed doing busting with the Boys, which is really. 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.760 Cool with him, but then after the party is like, yeah, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.200 there's a lot of people ask me to do stuff every 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.399 single day, and I just it's so overwhelming. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.480 So I'm not I'm not gonna be doing that. Because 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.200 he's been crushing it, crushing it and we get like 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.120 humble too. Oh bro, he he was fucking awesome. Bro unreal. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.800 He legit took over the podcast. Low key guys. Spoiler alert. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.560 We're not a huge basketball guys. We don't really know 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.880 what's what. We don't have like the knowledge. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.120 He's got a So you know when the Boys were 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.360 in the top five for the charts now Apple Spotify, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:47.799 we're living in those charts. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:49.840 Living top ten your shadow. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.640 Everyone listening to continue to download our episodes on audio, 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.880 like even if you watch on YouTube before watching on YouTube. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.160 Right now, just as we're talking, plut your phone, bring 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.600 up Apple or Spotify download this up so that ship 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.520 helps us, bro. But a podcast that listens to five 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.120 with us is The Old Man in the Three, which 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.680 is JJ Reddick's podcast. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:08.800 He's got a banger podcast. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.560 Banger but uh, yeah, man, he's a stud. You any 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.360 white kid growing up, dude, you wanted to shoot like 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:16.079 JJ Redick. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.560 Let's see, Hey, I thought he was black, Taylor the 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:21.080 day before he. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:25.040 Came on zero and anything about basketball, Bro, you had 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.960 still like I tweeted and had a gift of who 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:29.720 JJ Reddick was. He's like, oh I thought he was 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.560 black until you had that gift. Yeah. Uh, but if 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.720 you watch basketball of any kind, like you wanted to 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.440 be a JJ Reddick back in that the early two thousands. 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.480 But yeah, got a stud podcast, The Old Man in 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.320 the Three. He's the only est panies everywhere. Dude is 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.240 dishing out knowledge left and right about the game of 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.320 basketball because, like Taylor said, he's arguing with Steven A. 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.080 Smith and mad Dog all the time. And also what's 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:56.920 his name, uh Pat Pat Bev Beverly. Some good conversation 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.880 they make that the show. I've been doing homework since 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.280 the pod. Don't get twisted now, boys, I'm learning about basketball, 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.040 like no, And I'm not saying the show isn't entertaining, 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:08.640 but I feel like I've tuned in a couple more 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.080 times a few more times, not just because like J J. Redick, 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.720 Pat Bev and those young cats are like and they're 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.560 like arguing with the old heads and like dropping knowledge, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:16.039 you know what I mean. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.159 It's arguing for the boys. 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.599 But yeah, dude, we had an awesome teer talk about pizza. 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.960 Pizza was the tear talk, and that's where we kind 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.520 of all kind of lost it with each other. I 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.440 think that's where he kind of kind of put himself 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.240 on a pedestal because he lives in the Northeast. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.240 I think that's what it is, too, Like that's the 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:34.880 word like. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.839 You guys don't know pizza and then my tier one. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.640 You guys both shit on, which is fine. I honestly, 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:41.720 that's not gonna be the number one pick of any anybody, 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.320 like for a lot of people, but for me it 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:44.000 was number one. 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:44.919 But he was. 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.960 I think he said the best thing we said was cheese, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:50.599 and that low key is disrespectful. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.680 He was super He's saying some crazy shit, dude, Like 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:55.400 we're trying to have Like he's just using big words. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.400 Dude. He was just said leafs, but he used like 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:58.760 stage and I'll say, he's. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.719 A small word. You know what I'm saying for little words. 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.080 You know what I'm saying, saying big ass words. Piece 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:03.479 of ship. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.720 I'm getting I'm getting tough again. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.520 But yeah, he uh, it was just a you know, 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:11.880 we're just trying to have a good time. Like, hey, 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.520 let's like pick out candies and pizzas and ship like that. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.800 He's like coming ask with some crazy Northeastern But those 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.520 dudes those different kind of think they're a lot better 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.360 than like the Midwest, the Southern guys. 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.760 So you know what's like kind of a stable for them. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:25.960 You were in you were in New York. Was the 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.120 pizza that much better? You can be honest, this list 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.560 was really good. Okay, the pizza is really it was 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.120 that much better, you're gonna say, and he's just say 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:33.320 it was. 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.280 That much better. Oh it's not that much better. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.800 No, no, no, no, Like there's competitive pizza all over 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:40.200 the country. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.880 I feel like, is there anywhere in Nashville you would 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.479 say we compete with New York. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.000 That's good question, right. Are we given some free shoutouts? 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.680 You just I mean is there actual an actual yes? 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.000 Because if my head there might not be fucking Joey 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:53.560 shut down. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.200 I would say that one Joey's the House of Joey's 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.840 House of Pizza really yeah, I mean they brought it 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:02.160 on that one time that he tried it. He gave 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.719 it like a high eight rating. No way, yes, Bro, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:06.680 day when he came to three spots, he went to 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:12.520 Nashville is Joey's five points and one other one, but 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.160 they all got they all got in the eighth, bro, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.920 really with respect, and I will say five points is good. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.440 You're mouth watering, right, Yeah, Rocking Dough is low key. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:28.800 So Lyn is a brewery and everyone who's eating it. 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.719 I haven't had that. I would love to try it. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.800 You got to try it out Smith and Midnight Oil Bro, 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.080 Midnight Oil off fifty. First. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.719 You have about brought them. You brought it on this 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:39.760 pot actually ship. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:40.200 Yeah. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:44.120 Well, Joey's brother still has a uh has a pizza 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.440 spot though it's called Manny's. It's very similar to Joey's. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.080 There were brothers they competed in like the pizza world. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.400 But Manny's is still open it. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.080 I'm glad you said that because I when I saw 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:56.800 Joss shutting down, I was a little bum that, like 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.080 I only had it that one time. He was only 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.040 opening afternoons from like eleven am to four pm, not 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.560 open on weekends, and only open on those afternoons in 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:05.040 the weekdays. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:06.440 Is this the plately operational? 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:11.080 Is this the place that uh Portnoy was like, I'm 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:12.840 coming here and then they were like, please don't come. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:14.679 Yeah, they were like they didn't want the attention because 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.360 they there's always like a long line. 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:17.960 It's just family. It's family opera. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.520 I wonder why they shut down then COVID probably couldn't 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:22.520 have been bro they would have. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.800 I read their ad and it said they're transitioning into 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.320 like doing more food than just pizza. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.960 So they're opening back up. Okay, they're not shutting down. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.200 They're getting bigger because everything you guys are saying sounds 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:33.000 like this would be the hotest place. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.240 So it's not going to be pizza centric anymore. It's 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.480 I think it's just going to be traditional Italian food again. 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.280 That's just what their their Instagram post said, like their 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:41.240 last post. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.000 Okay, pizza's fire, but Italian food for me is not 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:45.600 a really I know? 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:46.360 Is that crazy? 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:47.120 It is crazy? 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.600 Man? That wild. No, Italian Food's heavy, so it's not 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:51.160 always like a choice. I try and go to but 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.320 foods as you much like that? 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:55.120 Really? 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.480 Yeah, no it's not for me, but uh anything else else? 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.040 Miss Jumping in the episode gives a finals prediction. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:09.720 Oh he gave as prediction? What was it? You gotta listen, Taylor, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:14.040 come on different? What am I thinking of right now? 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.320 You're good, bro, you gotta listen to the episode. Though. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.880 We do have one thing though, because the whole rich 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.559 eyes and remember the video. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.200 Yeah, we can just shit it on lighty. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.480 Right behind your seat, there is a device that is 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.600 a fog machine and it possesses a not a big 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.040 one but a small motor. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.959 It's right behind your seat, will Oh, it's right there, yep, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:34.400 I see it. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.320 Try and keep it level if you grab it, because 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.040 I feel like it's like leaking. But rich Eisen said 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.360 that he changed his listen to Jack because it is 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.480 that video special you can yeah, just to prove that 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.800 it's on here. Because rich Eisen has now said that 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.320 he will come on the podcast if we just had 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.680 any motor at all. That little device possesses a very 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.440 small but still a motor. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:00.480 Is that work? Does it work? Yeah? 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.240 We gotta plug it in and stuff, so we don't 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.199 have it. Didn't have to be working, he said, he 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:05.400 could be anything motor. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.040 That's case we got. Isn't there a motor in this bus? 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:10.800 All right, we can do that. 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.079 We just yeah, we need to clip it so he 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.720 can send it to Rich. He should hopefully be coming 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.280 on the show, So Rich, those tweets are gonna still 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.520 be sending off until the day he gets on here. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.560 It seems like Rich in the beginning really fucking dug 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.760 his feet in the ground on what would make him 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.440 come on this bus. And as we've gained a little 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.800 more traction, it kind of seems like Rich has gone 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.120 from doing us a favor to wanting to actually be 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.800 on the bus and is willing to bend his own 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.200 rules of how he's going to come on this bus. 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.480 I've said it once in a thousand times. Its a 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:45.679 huge Rich eisend fan. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:46.120 Yeah. 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:46.640 I think the. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:51.040 Interaction between Busting and and him has been incredible. 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.320 Uh, yeah, it was painful. At first when he just 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.560 wasn't referring to me in the podcast. Yeah, like I 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.079 just want Rich to see me type of thing. Yeah, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.079 but I agree with you because when you first, when 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.920 he talks about you first coming on and talking about 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.440 busting with the boys, I'm sure he's oh, like the 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.240 like the haters people are like, oh the boys are 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.040 doing a cute little podcast. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.520 You know we were for real, I'm not gonna make 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:15.760 it make anything of itself. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.560 Yeah, he didn't know. Now look at us. Now you 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.320 can play with us, play back and forth with us 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.719 a little more on your own show because there's enough 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.920 credibility behind it, enough credibility. Yeah, and he probably wants 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:27.720 to get on that. And he's an o G too. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.240 He's no G. But when you've been in the game 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.720 for this long, he's here with the times, we're hip 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:33.200 or with it. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.920 Yeah you know, yeah, so he's been an o G 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:36.800 Tier three. You know. 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.120 I think at this point we'll allow Rich to come 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.080 on the pod, and I'm happy we could do this 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:41.679 for him. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.079 Do I do you are you sure we need a 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.280 tread that way? Maybe that keeps him from coming on. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.520 I want just don't want him to go back when 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:51.679 I'm playing as you just did. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.720 I know you're right, and if you just give me. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.080 I in my head, Rich is watching this video right 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.839 now and he's gone, He's like this on a stay 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.640 on his desk and he's look, he's watching on his 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:02.640 screen during a TV. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.520 These guys, you know, And I just want him to 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.080 smile with it. And You're right. 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:09.360 I could have been that might have been the thing 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.080 that set him over the edge. But I want him 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.040 to enjoy this. I'm just enjoying the banter, you know. O. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.600 G Michigan guy, dude, hero stud legend. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.720 Is he gonna missage your Michigan one? Do you think 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.640 he should? It should be him in a full sprint, 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.160 is what it should be in a suit? 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:29.840 How so would that be? That'd be tool? But shall 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:30.480 we get into it? 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.000 You know, it'd be cool real quick if we did 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:37.800 a spring football trophy game between Michigan and the trophy 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.840 was Rich, and they would do the Bo the May, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:43.240 the Boot team in the May team, and it was 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.360 just a small trophy of Rich running and whoever won 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.199 that team, their captain got to keep the Rich trophy. 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.400 That captain the captain of whichever team. I'm sure they 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.920 split up, right, Yeah, pro cool while everyone line up 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.000 against the wall. Two captains. I got that guy. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.880 They fucking get the game going. Cool ship. That's a 0:11:58.920 --> 0:11:59.560 funny idea. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:00.360 Thanks man. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:02.920 All right, let's get to this episode. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.280 JJ Reddick, subscribe rate the boys do all the fun stuff. 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.079 Enjoy the episode. How'd you feel about that game of 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.679 pay that just happened there? I didn't feel great about it? 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.240 Yeah, coursewaty right now? 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:13.920 We just played it an intense game of pig, in 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.800 tense game of pig, and JJ Reddick was the first 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:17.360 man out. 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.640 Yeah, I think what I think what obsessed me is 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:22.240 number one the l for sure. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:22.880 Yeah. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.160 But I texted Will yesterday and I said, Will, what 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.520 do I need to know? What am I walking into tomorrow? 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.440 And he laid out a show plan, some Duke stuff, 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.800 some NBA stuff. There was no mention of mini basketball pig. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:39.559 Yeah. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.240 And had I known that, I would have I would 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.920 have came more prepared. I would have my whole day 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:46.439 would have been different. I'll put it that way. So 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.199 you're blaming me a little. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.960 Bit, Well, here's and let me have Will side for 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:50.880 a second game. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.400 Yeah, you guys probably got at least I don't know 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:55.680 ten to fifteen warm up shots? 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:56.000 Why? 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:56.320 Why? 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:56.400 What? 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.240 But but usually when people play pig and someone comes 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.040 in middle of the game, usually have to take a letter. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.920 And you didn't have to come in mid game. Well, 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.760 that's because my driver took me to twelve. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:08.760 I'm not going to say you don't want to see 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.400 the address, but he took me to different a different 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.760 address that started with a C, not a K. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.080 And then on the way over here we got stuck 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:16.720 behind a train. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.360 So just shit happens, man, A lot of adversity when 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.880 you're coming to and during the podcast on the bus. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.960 But just to argue with you a little bit more, 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:27.880 when you and I were sitting in the corner of 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:29.840 there and we were like kind of first meet each other, 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:31.760 you did whisper to me, I play this game with 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.120 my kids, exact hoop exact ball every single day. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:34.920 Did you not say that? 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:35.680 Was it? 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.600 Is that a comment you made? Exact hoop oh ball? 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.520 You actually the ball is bigger and harder to make it. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:45.040 Yes, you know, the there's like a men's basketball, women's basketball, 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.439 youth basketball, and then there's like the mini basketballs. They're 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.240 like three times the size that the ball you guys used. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:52.520 That's what I'm used to. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.320 Are you always aware when you walk into like a 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.199 situation like that, like they all expect me to win 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.199 this game, and when you do lose in that kind 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.120 of fashion because it was pretty quick. Is this something 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.120 where you're just like, damn, these boys like really think 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:05.920 they got me for real? 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.560 I mean, if you guys really think you got me 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.440 in basketball, I actually feel bad for you. 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.840 Let them finish, Let them finish and finish. Nobody laugh. 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.160 No, but I'm just saying if we, if we, if 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.440 we all of a sudden like did a NERF football competition, 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.680 we probably like throwing it at a target, like I 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.880 would probably beat you, guys. I wouldn't say to myself 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:27.680 like I got you in football. I would just say, 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.480 like I won this specific random event. 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.000 Okay, but it's pretty straightforward. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.960 It'd be better, it'd be better and easier for us 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:37.920 to stay based on because there was no like real 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:38.640 basketball there. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:39.920 We're just better shooters than you are. 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:46.360 Again, like at this particular dress, outside of this particular bus, 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.080 I'm that particular hoop you guys got me today, and 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.920 I again, the competitive side of me is pissed off 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.320 and I wish we could move on past this because now. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:55.920 I'm getting angry. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:57.480 It's going it's gonna be a. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:58.040 Few minutes before. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.320 Trust me, we do not want to see for take 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.960 JJ reddick. Really, Yeah, have you not seen the ways 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:04.400 a couple I've. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.120 Seen you lose your temper, But I don't think it's anything 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.880 we can't handle. I don't know if I've lost my 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.760 temp well, I've been animated. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.400 You can tell because your vein will start coming out 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:14.840 of your neck a little bit, you start leaning a 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.600 little bit more in your seat and. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.560 Does the seat lean is a big giveaway? The producer 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:20.440 said that to me the other day. 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.640 Really, because I know when you're about to get really 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.600 engaged because I leaned forward. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.720 Yeah, and I don't even realize I'm doing it. Yeah. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.240 I think I've got to be better at this exact 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.720 This exact video is about Luca and Curry. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.280 Uh. Now, this one was about Steven A calling Jimmy 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.680 Butler a permitter shooter. Yeah, and he's not a premier 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.160 perimeter shooter at all. Jimmy Butler is a fantastic player. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.040 He's you know, superstar. 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.800 Who als are who all are fantastic players? Well, Pat Beverly. 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.440 I'm just Beverly pressed me on the other day, you 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:51.960 got a fantastic player, what does that mean? 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:52.680 And I'm like, I don't know. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.680 Fifty fantastic players. The hierarchy of the NBA is really 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.440 hard to figure out at any given time. But generally speaking, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.360 there's like five guys that are it. They are him, 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.840 and you can win a championship with that player, and 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.160 beyond that, you know, there's probably five more guys that 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.720 on certain nights look like a top five player, that's. 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.120 Sort of like the top ten or fifteen. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.760 Then it becomes very circumstantial for the next twenty to 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:25.480 forty guys, you know, and like Draymond he's a great 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.920 example of that, because where do you sort of place 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.120 him in the hierarchy of the NBA. If we're talking 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.160 about someone who can go off the dribble and score 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.720 on his own, like, that's not Draymond, but we're talking 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:40.440 about impact on winning, well shit, he's top fifteen. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:40.760 Top twenty. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.840 So it's it's hard to rank players. I hate doing it. 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.160 I hate you know, they make me do it. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.280 May have you seen Raymond Green try to play football? 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:50.240 I haven't. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.040 Oh, there's a video fam if you can pull it up? 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.960 Pull it up, Draymond Green spring football, Michigan State. 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.000 What's like a good like for an average quarterback in 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:01.840 the NFL? Average? 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:08.199 Actually, let's go not NFL, average FBS college quarterback? 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.719 How far can they throw football on the flo yards? 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:13.479 Eighty yards? 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:13.560 Like? 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.320 What's good? Oh, so that's a you'd think like you 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.240 think sixty? Yeah, fifty to sixty would probably be basically 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.520 I could average D one quarterbacks. 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:24.600 Well, that's assuming that what you just said means you 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.280 can throw the ball fifty or sixty yards on the 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.960 run accurately. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:29.959 On the run. I mean I can just do it standstill. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.000 You can throw a fifty or sixty yards standstill? Yeah? 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.800 How long you feel somewhere to go? Because we can 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:36.920 go right to the field if you want. 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.880 I mean, I'm gonna you didn't give me warm up here? 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.399 We can go out to the field after we finish. 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.320 I have nothing to do the rest of today. We'll 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.239 play Bay again, just you and me, and you can 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.160 warm up as long as you want. My ongoing joke 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.679 is basically that if I had not quit baseball, I 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.439 would have been a big league pitcher. 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:54.520 You think so I had a heater man, Were you 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.639 a beast? I had a heat? I'll tell you six 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:57.000 or four. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.159 Yeah, well I quit in seventh grade. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.600 That's the thing my dad made me choose. But here's 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.440 the thing I was. That is like the point where 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:06.119 you have here. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.119 I was a beast then, and I hadn't hit my 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.199 growth spurt yet. I was five six, And then all 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.000 the kids that I played against that were on the 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.399 same level as me, they all either played you know, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.040 double A, triple A baseball, D one ACC baseball. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:21.800 I feel like I could have had a I could 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.639 have had a chance. I mean, are you hitting like 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.000 low seventies as a seventh grader? Yeah? Oh easy. I 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.399 mean that's that's just I feel that's just a loose seventies. Yeh. 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.240 I feel like that's pretty to mid sixties. You're like, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.920 holy shit, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:36.800 even sixty two. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:38.080 Yeah. If you mound that. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:39.399 Clothes back to the dug out and you're in like 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:40.800 middle school and you know, hey, this kid can throw 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.800 seventy two miles an hour, You're like, fuck. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.240 I don't think I ever even heard of that. We 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:44.880 would like to. 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.679 Interrupt this incredible episode with JJ Redder to let you 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.200 know a couple of things. One we're gonna give an agory, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.520 but also make sure you guys are subscribing and rating 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.880 five stars for our YouTube and especially audio. Will set 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.560 it in the intro. We have been absolutely living in 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.240 that top five on Spotify and Apple. 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It's a real Actually, I've driven 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:39.440 past there with Willie people. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.560 It's a real place. Yeah. I have bacco lead Okay, cigarettes. 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:45.200 For a long time in my life. 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.040 I'm not a conspiracy there's but for a long time 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:48.920 in my life, I was like, man, I'm not sure 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.479 Missouri and Nebraska actually exists. Like I don't know if 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.320 they are real places or if it was just like 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:54.840 we're going to put them on a map. 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.080 Because I didn't know anybody. You know, you, I'd never 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.960 I'm like Nebraska because they don't leave. Nebraska people don't leave. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.200 It's weird. I'm pretty sure Missouri people don't leave either. 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:04.040 You're talking about where I am right now. 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.200 No, but you like you like made it out kid, Yeah, 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:08.600 I mean you told me all the time people from 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.040 your town like don't really leave that town. 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:12.520 That's fair. Yeah, that's accurate. 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.880 Like Nebraska, it's a similar it's a similar conversation we've had. 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:18.920 I feel like most people if you're in a small town, 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.080 though not a lot of people really leave. I think 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:23.960 that's a great point, you know what I mean. No, 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:27.320 and I agree with that, like cities like you like, yeah, 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.560 I don't know what. We were an hour away from 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.320 Saint Louis when I was growing up, so there really 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:33.359 wasn't no city there. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:34.600 There was like nothing around us. 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.679 So you just get used to the community aspect, I 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.320 guess of a small town, like when you're growing up 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.560 and when you're younger, like in my area, and say, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.520 you're like good at sports, you like picture yourself being 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:46.879 like a head coach of that high school team when 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:48.879 you grow up, or like a gym teacher, you know 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:49.280 what I mean. 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:51.720 Yeah, you know I'm I always coach pe and I'm 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.760 gonna or I'm gonna teach pe and I'm gonna coach football. 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:55.840 What was a big city for you, Saint Louis. St. 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:57.120 Louis Louis. Yeah. Huge. 0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:59.199 When I went to leave in Nebraska, I felt like 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.560 it was big for me and everybody else from like 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:03.479 Texas and Cali, and they like just shit on it. 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:05.919 Like like when I went to Orlando my rookie year, 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:07.600 I thought I thought Orlando was a city. 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.520 It's clearly not a city. It's not a real city. Well, 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.000 Orlanto's a weird place place. 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:13.840 Every time I go to Orlando, I'm like, I like, 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.880 everything's fake here because it's like the Disney the Disney World, 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.000 and it's like, oh, there's a castle right there, or 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.160 like this extravagant billboard, like it's so insane. But really 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.720 it's just like fake. Nothing's real there. It seems like 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:27.600 to me, I've only been there like three times in 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:28.040 all three. 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:28.840 Of those years. 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.280 I don't know that I wouldn't call it like all 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.520 of it fake, but it's a transient place. 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:34.880 So a lot of people in and out, a lot 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:36.280 of tourists google transient for me. 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.840 Well, he's I mean, he can probably define it for you'll. 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.880 Be that'll be the easiest word to translate that I'll 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:45.439 use today. 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:50.439 Oh wow, yeah, what is it? Short lived? Okay? 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:54.639 He always changes moves around, you know, people in and out. Yeah, 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.440 nobody's from Like who's from Orlando? Who's like, oh, yeah, 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.040 I grew up in Orlando and I stayed in Orlando. 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:00.480 It's the same thing here Inshville. 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.280 The first six months I lived in Nashville in twenty fourteen, 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.160 I didn't meet one person from Nashville. 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.919 I grew up in this area at all. Everyone's transplants. 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.440 Yeah, come from New York, come from Florida, come from 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:12.200 all over the place. 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:15.760 What you're you're you know, you're touching the local boys 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:16.160 back there. 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:17.560 Well, I mean, is that not true? Is there's so 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.320 many people from out of town. Yeah. 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.119 So I'm not trying to come out the boys. I'm 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.760 just trying to say, like, it's a transient places. The 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:27.040 book you know, read a book boys, and it's just 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:28.000 a transient place. 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:31.520 You know, are you stick to be um busting with 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.119 the boys? I am stoked. 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.600 I mean shit, man, Like I gotta be honest with 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.280 you all. The last eight or nine months has been 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:43.080 kind of crazy for me because I always envisioned this 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:47.960 year of bliss and quiet when I retired, and I 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:52.560 was very hesitant to do ESPN and agree to do 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.160 like a short one year deal, and I was still 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.840 obligated to do the podcast for another year. So it's like, yeah, 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:00.760 I'll fuck it, I'll do I'll do ESPN. But getting 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.400 into the media space has been way busier than I expected, 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:06.960 and so I get asked to do podcasts probably three 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:09.479 or four times a week, and that's our exaggeration, like 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.520 literally three or four times a week. So for me, 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:16.720 when I got like the ask from your crew that 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:18.720 was like, hey, did he come down to Nashville to 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:18.960 do this? 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:23.520 I was like absolutely, absolutely, no hesitation. I'm super excited 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:23.880 to be here. 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.720 What about bust? One the boys is if there's three 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:28.600 or four a week coming to you saying hey, come 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:30.080 on our podcast? What about busting? 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:32.200 Was like, so was it? The bus was a will? 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.480 It was mostly will? Yeah, most usually great follow up, 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:39.120 a great follow on Twitter, a great phenomenal teeth. Yes, 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.920 he's hilarious. He had one of them need to body 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:44.439 back somebody for JJ. Somebody was coming at him. Really's 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:45.080 guy named. 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:49.000 Chip and then jj JJ gave like a good response 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:50.280 Tom And it was one of those things where you 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:51.800 kind of like read through the bullsh like, hey, JJ, 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:53.119 do you need do you need me to ask him 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:53.560 for a favor? 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:54.400 Yeah? 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:56.520 I was so scared to clap back at people on 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.479 Twitter when I was a player and then I was 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:00.280 off of social media for like two years. 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:01.880 It was it was an awesome time. 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.959 But then when we started doing the podcast again, I 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.840 was like I kind of gotta be on. But in retirement, 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.760 I have zero problem lapping back. And I used to 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:14.120 think about Kevin Durant. I'd be like, why is Kevin Durant? 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.080 Why is Kevin Durant like clapping back. Well, he's the 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.760 top five player. The guy's worth hundreds of millions of dollars, 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.400 Like why does he find the time. But the reality 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:24.199 is when you have the app on your phone and 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.840 you check on it. 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.080 It's human nature. You're gonna look at the mentions and 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.640 like why not. It's very satisfying. 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:32.000 Yeah, very satisfy. 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:34.040 And it's a super that guy in a body bag 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.560 the other day with the you put him to put him. 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:40.360 In the Yeah, So like. 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.960 How's your swaddle game right now? My swallow game? 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.760 Well now we're kind of, you know, we kind of 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:47.320 we're kind of cheating now because we got the Ali 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.560 swaddle because it's like voo that exists, Yes, that exists, 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.360 and it is a good it's a very good swaddow. 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.760 But before we got the Ali, my swadow was was 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:55.920 actually getting pretty good. 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:57.640 I was like in mid season four, before we got 0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:58.480 the Ali, that's good. 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:00.800 Yeah, my wife only let me do the swaddle. She 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.520 couldn't do it really for both our kids. Yeah, I was, 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:04.640 and I went tight. 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:09.040 I went, well, that hands has poken out when when 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.600 you first start then that hands starts creeping, they start 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:12.400 scratching their face. 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.040 There's nothing, it's it's it's a wild thing. 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:19.399 The swaddle was something that took very seriously at competitive Yes, 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:21.199 like when they're kind of tugging, You're like, all right, 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:22.240 I'll fucking show you. 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.000 You want to you want to play games like that? 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:26.280 You know what I'm saying. From in there, I didn't 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:27.840 really fight back too much. Makes you feel kind of 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:29.320 bad after, but while you're. 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:31.359 In it, you definitely like think, oh, this baby's trying me. 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.680 You know what I'm saying, I absolutely get it. 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.639 But yeah, I was telling Taylor like, uh oh, stoked 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.840 that you were coming on because every every white kid 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:41.720 in America when you're playing college basketball, they want to 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.639 be able to shoot a ball like JJ Reddick. And 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.000 I was more fired up now that you're coming on 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.240 the bus because I was telling Taylor that you're legitimately 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.320 one of the first ogs like in the in the 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.359 active athlete world that was doing a podcast like you 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.560 did yours for like five years now. You did it 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.439 with like Yahoo and Ringer before you had to do 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.720 your own thing. But just the fact that you're podcasting 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.040 in those five years, like when we started Busting with 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:07.320 the Boys, like low key to give your flowers a 0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.919 little bit, like you helped give me like confidence and 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:11.600 like courage you like do Busting with the Boys kind 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.320 of like a Pat McAfee and some of those guys 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.080 who have kind of like pioneered the space. And so 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.639 that's like, that's actually like a that's a huge reason 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.239 like why I was fired up because I would look 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.680 at old Man and the three, and you're obviously in 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.399 the in the basketball space, so I never really like 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:27.320 there's some out there you look and you're like all 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:29.399 their kind of like competition and stuff, but you like 0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.080 you were since you were in the basketball side of it. 0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.000 I was like, oh, let me see like what JJ's doing, 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:34.000 like how he does his stuff. 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:37.199 You retired on your own platform, like you own you 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:38.919 like own your voice, you control your narrative. 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:39.840 You give a platform for. 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.879 Athletes, and so that's like why I'm so fired up 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:43.600 that you're on the bus. 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:44.399 I appreciate that. 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:49.199 I never thought about that when I first started WOJ 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.480 was launching a platform called The Vertical at Yahoo, and 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:55.000 he asked me to write articles for him, and I 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.560 got this like weird flashback to college, being like stressed 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.680 out and then having to stay up all till six 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:02.000 am to write a term paper. 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:03.680 I was like, fuck that, well, which I don't want 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:03.919 to do that. 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:05.520 And then he came back six months later it's like 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:07.560 me and Chris Mannix are doing the pod Do you 0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:10.840 want your own pod? And I legitimately had never listened 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.240 to a podcast before. My wife had listened to Cereal 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.399 the season one about the love triangle and the murder 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.359 and stuff. Oh I never I was like, I listened 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:19.679 to it and I was like, I don't know what 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.040 to do, Like this is not what I'm going for. 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.840 And you know, when I started it, it was I 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:26.159 thought at the time it was weird. I thought at 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:27.960 the time, I was like, I'll just get some reps 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:29.960 in case I want to do media. But then I 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.159 realized that it like satisfied this curiosity in me, Like 0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.440 because I go to dinners or you know, I meet 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.880 people and I'm like, I'm genuinely. 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:39.440 Curious about people. 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.760 I'm very interested in the human psyche and It's given 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:47.360 me this like amazing ability to to like interact with people. 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.480 And then on top of that, as you mentioned, there's 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.840 nothing better as an athlete than like having your own 0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.640 platform and being able to control the narrative. And I've 0:28:55.720 --> 0:29:00.280 used it in some ways, probably positively and probably negative 0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.800 lead to do that, but like I just I enjoy 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.800 having it. If there's anything that happens in my life, 0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.360 you know, it's as a player, and even as a 0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.280 retired player, I can just go on the pod and 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:09.840 talk about it. 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.160 When you were first starting your podcast, was there like that? 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:14.360 Then in security that like, oh man, it was I 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.040 put the start putting this out there while I'm playing. 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.360 Am I going to be like oh yeah, Judge did 0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:20.120 My coach is going to think this way? My team 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:21.920 is going to think a certain way, Like how did 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:23.000 you deal with that situation? 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:24.440 Yeah? 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.000 I was fortunate because the clip the Clippers At the time. 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.360 I get asked that question a lot. The truthful answer 0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:34.640 is anyone who is around me as a professional knew 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:38.000 that my number one priority was basketball, even more so 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.000 than my family. And I hate admitting that, but that's 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:43.560 the truth. My entire day was structured around trying to 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:46.920 be great at basketball. So no one that I worked 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.880 with whatever question whether or not I was making the 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:54.360 podcast a bigger priority than basketball, I think for me. 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:55.800 And it's still this way. 0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.160 I still get a little bit of performance and performance 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.200 anxiety when I when I I record a pod, because 0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:04.400 like I just want anything I do, I want it 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.000 to be good. This is why I'm so mad that 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.520 I lost to you guys in many basketball. No, I'm serious, like, 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.040 I just want it to be good. And so it 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:17.600 took twenty to thirty episodes where I like, legit wouldn't 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.520 have to chug a beer before I started, just to 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:20.440 calm myself down. 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:21.360 Really I would chug. 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.640 I would chug it was I was living at LA, 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.960 so it's the North Coast Pilsner. I would chug a 0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.600 North Coast Pilsner, and and just to calm myself down, 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.600 like okay, all right, you're gonna be all right. And 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.840 I used to fucking keep I mean age like fifteen 0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.640 to twenty pages of notes on each person, and I 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.960 would like have every question, I have a flow chart. 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:42.160 I mean I overdid it. 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.200 And now it's like I record and not do my notes, 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.000 and I research and I work hard on it. But 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:49.640 generally speaking, now it's just like it's natural, it's flows. 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.040 I'm sure you guys have experienced the same thing. One 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.880 hundred some episodes in. It gets easier. 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.880 It's way easier because's you gonna understand, Like the more 0:30:57.960 --> 0:30:59.960 you do episodes, like I took us about twenty episodes. 0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:01.840 Every once in a while too, like we'll do an 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:03.520 episode somebody, We'll call each other in the car. But 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.600 that was like our go to in the beginning was 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.040 do an episode driving away, call each other like, hey, 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:09.800 what do you think? And then we go back and 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.760 forth on what we thought we both could have done better, 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:14.719 or like hey, if I do this, maybe you say that, 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.680 or like go off it this way, And it was 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.080 it was a difficult, trying time because you're just kind 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.720 of in this world that you know nothing about, and 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.520 then you don't know if people are really gonna enjoy it. 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:28.440 And then as you do it more, it kind of 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.719 just becomes like you know what your audience likes and wants, 0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.440 you know, like it's much. It's probably easier for me 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.400 and Will because we're best friends, so it's easy for 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.640 us to come up here and because what we do 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:39.920 in the podcast we. 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:40.960 Literally do outside. 0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.600 So if it's just us too, it's never a difficult 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:46.080 thing having a guest on. It's not a difficult thing 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:47.240 for us because at the end of the day, we 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.400 can bounce back off each other, you know, and we wit. 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.720 But it took us time in reps to learn that. 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.080 Yeah, I think with Tommy, I think that was part 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:57.600 of the reason that I wanted Tommy as a co host, 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.400 which our last season of The Ringer. I know he 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:01.560 was trying to get me to do it, and I 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:03.239 was like, I could. I'll be honestly, I don't really 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:04.800 want to do it anymore. So we did it for 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:09.320 a few months together and then COVID hit Pandemic hit 0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:14.040 World shutdown. We have both simultaneously discovered Zoom and we're like, oh, 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:15.440 we don't have to do these in person. We can 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:19.040 do them, you know, over the internet and put some 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.960 content out during COVID and then we you know, Bill 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:23.840 wouldn't let us own the podcast, so we were like, 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.160 all right, we're gonna leave. But I think having like 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:30.200 that was my motivation for involving Tommy and just having 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.560 somebody like as a backup bounce ideas off to. 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.520 Give me a pause during it. It's helpful. 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:42.080 It's helpful, by the way, even this year working for 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:47.120 ESPN and kind of having a real sense of the 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:51.160 landscape of sports media, like being in it and getting 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:54.360 to understand it a little bit better. Like we are 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.720 in the first wave of athlete driven content, the first wave, 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.560 and like you mentioned you like I was a pioneer, 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.640 like I think all of us are. I think all 0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.560 of us in this first inning, first couple innings, are 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:07.280 pioneers in it. 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:07.600 I don't. 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.440 I don't think this is like a novelty something that's 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.280 going to be a short lived thing. I think the 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.520 future of sports media is going to be athlete driven. 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.120 That's not to say that traditional journalists won't have their 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:18.440 place in it, but. 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.360 Honestly, people are star for this. 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:25.880 Like we have been fed and soda for the last 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.600 fifteen or twenty years. And being able to peel back 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:32.480 the curtain a little bit and offer someone a three 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:34.200 course meal with a leafy green salad. 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:35.520 I think people eat it up. 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:35.680 Man. 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:37.000 I really don't. I agree. 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.239 I think not just that, but like the suit and 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:42.800 tie like got to be super proper all the time. 0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:44.720 I think for us is we're kind of learning like 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.600 people want to feel like, oh, these guys are just 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:49.960 like me k type of vibe, like we might play sports, 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.440 but I mean we're sitting here. 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.200 In shorts, t shirt. Barstool does. 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:55.600 One of the best parts about hanging out Barstool one 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.840 of the best parts with You've mentioned. 0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:02.240 Bill not letting you own the podcast during that time. 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:04.959 You said that was during the COVID during Yeah, this 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:05.920 was so. 0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:07.680 Our contract was running up. 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:11.840 I think it ended like July thirty first or August first, 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.319 so it's basically two weeks into the bubble. And I 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.200 told Bill in June, I was like, hey, you know, 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.360 just so you know, like we are like going to 0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.440 other companies and being like, do you want to help. 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:24.680 Us sell ads on our podcast. 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.680 I'm you know, I want to be transparent with you 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:31.680 that this is happening, so please make an offer. And 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:35.880 you know, they made an offer, but they were the 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.319 only company that was like, you can't own it. And 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:40.640 this was right around the time of of the Ringer 0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:43.319 sale to Spotify and so and not to. 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.359 Mention Barstool with color Daddy, like there was a lot 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:46.880 of IP conversation. 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.040 Yeah, exactly, And so that was just it wasn't even 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:54.240 it wasn't even a money issue because it honestly, honestly, 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.000 the Ringer offered us more guaranteed money than anyone else. 0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.200 But it was just like I just wanted to own 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.440 the IP, even like simple stuff that you want to 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:07.239 do down the line with, you know, conversations or episodes. 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.279 It's like, well, if I don't have control of that, 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:10.640 like what good is it? You know? 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:14.400 And so it really just became bottom line, like are 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:15.600 you gonna let me own it? And he said no, 0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.160 And I said, okay, no hard feelings, that's fine, We're 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:18.560 moving on. 0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.400 No what was it called before the JJ Ready podcast? 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.840 And he wouldn't let Yeah, yeah, and and they So 0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:28.400 we lost. 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.439 I mean, it's the same thing that barstool with McAfee. Yeah, 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:33.839 is Pat McAfee showing us Pat McAfee two point zero? 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.359 Correct, for sure, But you just almost think, like, man, 0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:37.200 it's we lost. 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.439 Yeah, So we lost kind of crazy, right, We lost 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:43.120 our subscriber base obviously are to be the biggest thing, right, 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.279 And I had done it twice already because I lost 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:48.600 it when I left the Ringer. Yeahoo, I love I 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:53.800 lost mine then, so I've had to restart three times basically, which. 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:55.719 Well, what's huge, but I think speaks so good to 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.440 your audience. It was like very like intriguing when like 0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.440 learning about you when we were doing Bustle with Boys, 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:05.040 was that, Yeah, you guys amassed one hundred thousand subscribers 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.160 on YouTube within six weeks. 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.720 On our old Man. Yeah. 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:14.680 I mean that's the thing that we realized early on. 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:19.000 It was like an epiphany moment we had my last 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.239 year with the Ringer, we did Zion in person in 0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:26.719 LA and it was his first long form interview. And 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:32.880 we did Jimmy right before literally two weeks before COVID 0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:35.200 and March eleventh and the you know, the world shutdown. 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:37.560 Basically we put that on YouTube and those are still 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.920 the two most watched videos on the Ringer YouTube channel. 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.919 So is this epiphany moment We're like, oh, not only 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.279 is it audio, Like podcast should be audio, they should 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.960 be video, and then we should probably put stuff on 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.600 social and so like all of those things helped just 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:55.319 grow the brand and grow the audience. And you know, 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.960 I talk with people all the time that either want 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.120 to do business with a podcast at or you know, 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.399 our contract is up, and so you know we're we're 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:06.600 talking about potentially, you know, doing deals with other people. 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.880 But it's like, I don't care about anything else. I 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.840 just want to grow the audience. I just want people 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:16.040 to appreciate the content. When I have a guest on, 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:17.960 I want people to walk away and be like, hey, 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:19.680 I'm a fan of that guy now. Like Pat Beverly 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.319 is a great example of that. Like he is a 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:27.000 divisive player because of whatever however you view his antics 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:30.000 on the court. But the greatest compliment I can get 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.160 is like I have Pat Beverly on the show, and 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:34.160 people like I used to hate Pat Beverley. 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.799 I like him now. That to me is like that's it. 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:37.680 That's the juice for me. 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.040 Yeah, pretty impressive. 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:46.800 And you said yeah, and I was like, oh no, 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:48.920 on this. 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:53.520 Yeah, the juice for me is basically coming on YouTube 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.560 mostly and like seeing like subscriber, seeing people commenting and 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.759 like just loving what we're doing. It's it's still a 0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:02.800 cret thought process to me that we're sitting here on 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:06.040 mics on cameras and you when you play a sport 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:07.760 your whole life and you think, oh, this is all 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.160 really ever be good at? This is my this is 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:13.320 my one crack at the big whatever I'm supposed to 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.440 do in this world, and then you go branch off 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.480 and do something like this, and it's like you don't 0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:19.720 know if it's gonna work. Then all of a sudden, 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.120 like it's kind of blowing up in a way that 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.120 you're like, I can't believe people like this because it's 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.400 so natural and easy for us to do. 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.279 So it's just fun. I do love it when people 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:31.239 come on this this say I thought I didn't like 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.400 this guy, but I do like this guy. But for me, 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:38.840 it's just like it's given me. I feel safer in 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.960 my own life after doing a podcast as far as 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:46.000 like a session, Yeah, but it is, Uh, it's actually 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:47.360 thing I think about all the time. There used to 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.440 be a point in my life where I was like football, 0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.759 that's like the only main income I have. Like, yeah, 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:53.160 I've made a lot of money in football, but like 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:54.920 what if this and what if that? Like, am I 0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:56.800 going to ever be able to you know, I'm not 0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:58.239 gonna have to go work a nine to five job 0:38:58.360 --> 0:38:59.960 or something like that. And then once we started doing 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.839 and I started really making money, I was like, oh, 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.520 like I'm gonna be okay no matter what, Like, no 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:06.480 matter what, I do in my life. 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:08.760 I'm gonna be fine. Like this was like that step, 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.080 that little piece for me to be like, Okay, I'm 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.040 gonna be all right and thing's gonna work out. 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:17.160 I knew going into my last year of my contract 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:20.320 with the Pelicans that it was gonna be my last year, and. 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:26.200 The other side of that was so terrifying. It was 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:26.720 so scary. 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.560 And I and I had had a podcast, but I 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.360 again it was like it was podcasting my future. 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:32.880 I didn't know. 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.480 And it almost feels weird to say podcasting is my future. 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.560 Just you're like is that even a thing? But I, oh, yeah, 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:39.000 it's the thing. 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:41.480 I know, I know, but like what what you were like? Yeah, 0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:43.360 but you first kind of started like is this really 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:45.719 a feel? And like the last three four years I 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:46.840 called come into it. 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:49.640 My parents, actually my parents called me because they were 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.520 worried about me. It was a New Year's morning. We 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:54.719 had played a road game in Oklahoma City. I think 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.759 the night before I got in late. I went to 0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:00.080 bed at like three am, woke up at eight. I 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:01.640 had a miscall for my mom. So I called my 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.520 mom back and she was like, you know, we're really 0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.279 worried about you. My family was in Brooklyn and I 0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:09.120 was living on my own in New Orleans, and I 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:12.520 was like super emotional because on Christmas morning, we were 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:14.839 in Miami and my wife had sent me a video 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.600 of my now yeah, five year old running down the 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.480 stairs to the Christmas tree. And I basically checked out 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:22.120 at that moment, like I was like, I just want 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:23.879 to be home. I don't want to do this and 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.960 my mom. I told my mom, was like, I just 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.000 want to get in my car and drive from New 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.120 Orleans back to New York City. I just want to 0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:35.000 be home. And She's like, why don't you? And I said, 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:39.080 because I'm fucking terrified, Mom, Like, I'm so scared of 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:43.080 what the rest of my life is. Like, think about 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.799 you guys, play U sports. I'm guessing I started at 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.759 seven years old. I'm thirty seven now, I retired at 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.959 thirty seven. Thirty years of my life. I'm not great 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:56.640 at math, but I would guarantee that's probably high eighty 0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.080 percent of my life. Eighty nine percent of my life 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:03.520 has been wrapped up in sports. My identity, my ego, structure, 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:08.120 everything is so ingrained in being a basketball player. 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:12.439 And like letting go of that, letting go of that thing. Fuck, dude, 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:13.320 it was terrifying. 0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.720 But I can say to your point about like feeling 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:19.759 safe about it, like, no, I can. I can do 0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:22.480 other things, and maybe it's maybe it's this for a while, 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.920 maybe it's something else, but I'm it's a weird place 0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.640 to be, you know, basically a year out of retirement 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:30.920 to be like, Okay, I'm gonna be fine, my life's 0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:34.600 gonna be okay, everything's gonna be all right. 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.080 Getting to that other side of it, because you're right, 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:39.319 like it's that example. We spend, however, many years of 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.120 our life just doing one thing, and I feel like 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:43.839 like you're probably the same way. Like even when you're 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.480 in it, you have interests, and every kind of player 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:49.160 and athletes feels like they have something they're kind of 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:51.440 lining themselves up for. They have a curiosity or a 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.560 i'm gonna do this afterwards, everybody feels confident. But when 0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:56.680 those like for me, it was just like three years ago, 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.799 I thought that could potentially have been my last year, 0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.200 and you're just like I was getting into real estate, 0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:04.160 I was journaling up the podcast what it could look like, 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:06.120 but I was just terrified. I'm like, man, I'm not 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:07.799 playing a whole lot this year, like this could be it, 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.560 Like I truly have to. I've always been the guy 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:12.640 that felt comfortable and be like, oh, I'll figure something out, 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.720 like I already have a few things going blah blah blah, 0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:16.560 but man, I really have to figure out like what 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.440 I enjoy because this could be coming faster than what 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.640 I realize. And and for me with the podcast stuff, 0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:24.920 like it's it's like like you were saying it like 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.080 scratches that curiosity that itach that you have. 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:28.600 Like I love like talking to people. 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:30.880 I feel like if I get to learn something about somebody, 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.560 like we've had on like Darren Waller, Max, We've had 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.160 on a lot of incredible people, but a couple of 0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:38.000 those stories saying now where Max is talking about his sobriety, 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:40.800 Darren Waller's talking about his sobriety and just going in 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:44.280 depth and like like giving athletes kind of a platform 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:46.839 to talk about stuff, and like you said, like I'll 0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:48.760 you'll have people call and be like, yo, I didn't 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:50.600 fuck with that guy, but that's really cool, or it's 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.880 just like yo, I like this person, but man I 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:54.839 did not know he fucking went through that. And it's 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.000 like really cool that you guys are able to like 0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.160 peel back layers because they feel comfortable sitting in front 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:02.440 of you. Because we're all athletes, right, Because a lot 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:04.480 of stuff that you'll give a microphone or the reporters 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:06.960 or something you're either in the locker room when you're 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.399 you're your backup or somebody that you're competing with sitting 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.640 next to you, Like guys are around there, you're not walls. 0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:12.920 Yeah, everything's up. 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.320 You're not gonna you're not gonna actually give reporters and 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:16.960 talk about stuff, not because you won't give it to 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:18.760 the reporter. One you won't give it to the reporter, 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:21.120 but also like the environment you're in, you're just not 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:23.759 your guards up, like you said, egos are going and 0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:25.959 like when you're on something like this, I just feel 0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:28.200 like everybody feels more comfortable when they're talking with like 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.040 athletes or there's more of like an unfiltered approach, like 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:32.959 being for the boys. We tell everybody if there's something 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.520 that you don't like, let us know. We'll take it off. 0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:38.200 Like we've talked about jerk off stories that somebody's wanted 0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:38.680 theirs off. 0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:40.480 We kept ours on, but somewhere. 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:41.480 It's like, yo, just be yourself. 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:44.799 So yeah, yeah, like you know, just let it fly 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.640 and be yourself. And if you're yeah, yeah, you're driving 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:49.120 very much. You want to take a coup, we'll take 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:49.319 it off. 0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:51.040 People ask me all the time what this podcast is about. 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:52.399 I literally go, I think it's just like a bunch 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.520 of guys in the locker room talking. Yeah, it's like 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:58.279 the conversations you would have. But another thing to what 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.719 you were saying is, like we talk about all the time, 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:02.319 like how you have like these blinders on how you're 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:04.960 so zoomed into the world that you live in, and 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:08.880 like not only let's say besides the podcast, like football, 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.200 Like I go and play football, and then I spend 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.040 time in the off season watching free agency, and then 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.239 I spend time watching the combine. Then I watched the 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:16.839 draft and see you the guys I'm gonna go again 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.239 soon what they're gonna be like, and then the like 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:21.879 shortly after that, the schedule comes out and then you're 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:23.680 in OTAs and then you have that six weeks break 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.040 where you're just so focused and in like your fight 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:27.120 camp going into camp. 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:28.319 It's a year round thing. 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:32.200 And what this has allowed us to do or especially 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.560 myself because I get super caught up in like thinking 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:39.240 like everyone is so focused and dialed in on Tennessee 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.560 Titan football when really, if I just like zoom out 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:44.399 for a second, it's like there's a there's a bunch 0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:46.480 of people that are but for the most part, like, 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:48.279 ain't nobody gives a shit what I'm doing. 0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:48.960 You know. 0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.960 It's like I'll be in camp and it'll be the 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:54.720 middle of August and it's I'm right in the middle. 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.440 The start is too far to see and the and 0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:59.160 the end's not close enough, and you're just kind of 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.239 like fucking in it. And you have a day off 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.279 and you go drive home and you say, you know what, 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:06.480 I'm gonna go cruise down Broadway. 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:07.239 Real quick and see what's going on. 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.200 And you go down Broadway and you see every type 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:13.239 of person walking up and down, drinking, having a good 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:16.280 time going. They don't give two shits at the Tennessee 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:18.759 Times had practice today, or we were watching film, or 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.680 who we're gonna play. And it allows you to be like, oh, 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.560 like I'm gonna be It's gonna be all right. It's 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.040 kind of comes down to is like, oh, this isn't 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:30.480 as overwhelming consuming to everybody as you think it is. 0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:35.279 I experienced that at Duke because I felt like I 0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:37.200 feel like I was like they all wanted it there. 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:39.520 Like I was in a fishball at Duke, and. 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:42.920 When I got on the other side of it, I 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:45.879 was like, oh, you know, like Duke basketball, like it's 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.040 well known, but it's not actually like that important. But 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:52.200 at the time, it felt like every single thing I 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:56.400 did was live or die. It felt very intense to me. 0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:59.400 I did to asker you guys a question because I 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.200 was my best friend. He works in television in LA 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:03.839 and I had lunch with him yesterday and I was 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:08.120 talking about the other side of sports, you know, being 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.839 retired and whatever, and he's like, you know, you used 0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:12.600 to used to say this shit all the time when 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:14.400 when you were a player, Like used to say you 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:16.280 wanted to quit, used to say you wanted to retire. 0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.800 And I'm like, I'm curious if you guys, in your career, 0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.319 even if it was a great season, that moment you're 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.440 talking about when you're driving down Broadway and you're like, 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:24.839 people are just having a. 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:25.920 Normal good time. 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.160 Like there's so many things that I felt like I 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.560 miss missed out on, like Christmas being an example. I 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.240 think I think I played on Christmas Day twelve times 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:38.160 in fifteen years, and I carried I carried like a 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:41.160 little bit of resentment about that, Like I don't know 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.120 what it was. And there were moments where I was like, 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:46.239 you know, I could do something, why don't I do 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:48.200 something else? Like I started thinking about that. Actually it 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:50.040 was right after I had my first kid, because I 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:54.880 could change my perspective about my time basically, And I 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:58.040 don't know, it's like I was. I was definitely still 0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:00.560 into it. I was definitely still committed, even more so 0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:02.600 at the end of my career. I was a fucking psycho, 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.480 But like I still carried like a little bit of 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.080 resentment about all the things that went into it that 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:09.960 prevented me from doing other things. 0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.920 Did you guys, Do you guys feel that at all? 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.960 If I feel like me feeling it was probably if anything, 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:17.719 in the last couple of years, like when I know, 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.240 I'm kind of like I have a foot out the door, 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:21.799 like I kind of know what I want to lean 0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:23.400 into and do when I'm done now with bustling with 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.560 the boys and everything else, and so you think about 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:26.799 it a lot more like when I'm in the season, 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:29.640 but I would say, like the first large the first 0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:32.879 like seven years, I more so think like I can't 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.160 wait to do this when football's over with, like because 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:35.960 it would be the same. 0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:36.799 Thing like with Thanksgiving. 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:38.880 You don't get to do any of the holidays like 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:43.000 during the season, like Thanksgiving, Halloween, Christmas, all these things. 0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.359 New Years, it'd be more so like I can't wait 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:47.280 to do this, like when I get done. 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.120 Playing complaining not complaining. No, But it's because it's a 0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:54.160 great life and I'm I was. I never felt any 0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:57.680 sense of like ingratitude. I was always grateful. I was 0:47:57.719 --> 0:47:59.920 always you know, I would still like even my fifty 0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:02.240 and you're super frustrated, Like dude, I have fucking thirty 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.440 six and I'm in the NBA, Like how fucking cool 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:04.759 is this? 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:07.160 Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I loved it 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:09.839 every day, but still there were there were moments. There 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:10.759 were moments. 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:12.640 Everyone goes through the grasses greener And the thing is, 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:15.000 there's so many different lives you can live on this world, 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.680 and so everyone always daydreams and think about what if. 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:21.520 I always I remember being in college and like having 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.120 to get my weight up because I came into college 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.680 super underweight. I remember thinking to myself, like, man, when 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:27.920 I'm done playing football, I'm gonna be so like jacked 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.480 and skinny, and like I still to this day, I'm like, man, 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.000 I cannot I can't wait to fucking lose sixty pounds, 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.160 you know, And I can't wait to do this and this, 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.680 and there was I mean, we talked about it. We 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.480 talked about all the time, Like during the season last year, 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:40.920 the season I was having I had him over the house, 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.560 was like, I'm gonna retire. I'm done, like and you 0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:45.440 kind of but that's when you're like so in it, 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:47.319 and then you start to realize, like, hey, you're in 0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:47.760 the NFL. 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.239 How cool is this? Regardless, like it's just hope. 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:50.680 You're living. 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:54.719 Every kid's dream has to be a professional athlete at 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:55.840 it's some position. 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:56.640 We did it. 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:59.879 We made gratulations, we fucking made congratulations. 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.560 We made it, and it's just cool. It's a cool vibe. 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:04.759 But yeah, there are there's always something you want to 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:06.960 do other than what you're doing at that moment. 0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.520 YEA, yeah, I think I've retired with the last three years. 0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:13.560 Yeah, every year, this is it, this is known will 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:15.799 every single year he's been like this is the last one? 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:18.279 Is the last one? And now we're talking about your ten. 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:22.440 You know, it's just crazy. Do you think, like I'm. 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.200 Curious too, do you think there's a difference in basketball 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:27.880 and football like doing the media stuff and having personalities? 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.560 But I think because I think it's like it's wild 0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:34.440 that Draymond has a podcast. I think it's awesome, but 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:36.759 I'm like, damn, like he's got some stones. When you 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:38.560 go do a podcast like right after a game and 0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:40.759 talking about the game, like, do you feel like there's 0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:42.560 a difference there because you obviously did the pot for 0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:44.840 like five years, Like what's the sense? Like, what's the 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:46.920 sense like when you're around all the guys, Because when 0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:49.480 I went to Vegas last year, like everybody kind of 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:50.200 knew about the podcast. 0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:51.880 I know everybody liked this, so it was all good. 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:54.120 But when I was in the building and seeing guys 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:57.680 work and appreciating kind of like, damn, like these dudes 0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.480 like fucking they love like I love, But I'm like 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:02.319 they love ball way more than the spot that I'm 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.520 at in my career right now, to where you almost 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:07.040 you almost feel bad bringing up any of the stuff 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.040 because you don't want to seem like you're like not 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:10.439 in it as much as they are. 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.719 Yeah, again, I go back to that point. I don't. 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:17.720 I go back to like any teammate I've ever been around, 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:20.719 like saw the dedication of work I put in, So 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:24.640 I never sort of worried about that. On the basketball 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.600 football side, I mean, that's probably part of a larger 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:33.399 conversation just about the empowerment that NBA players have right now, 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:36.080 the player empowerment era that we're in the middle of 0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:39.000 right now, relative to the NFL. And I don't think 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:43.319 the NFL has gotten to the level that the NBA has. 0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:47.680 And probably some of that is are guaranteed contracts. 0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:47.600 Yeah they are. 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:49.399 They run the league more. 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:52.400 You know, again, it's you get the right guys. You 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:54.640 can not predict, Like it's a lot more competive now, 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:55.520 but it's a lot easier to. 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:57.440 Predict what Lebron and these boys on this team, like 0:50:57.440 --> 0:50:58.839 these teams are going to see each other in the final. 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.960 There's also just inherently because of the way your cap works, 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:08.520 there's there's like more parody in the NFL and because 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:12.200 it's a two way sport like. 0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:14.440 In the NBA. 0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:16.360 It's like if you're one of the five best players 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:17.479 or ten best players, like. 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:19.839 You fucking run it. You run it. 0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:22.279 Some guys don't take advantage of that. Some guys do, 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:26.680 But there's just more. I just believe inherently there's more power. 0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:30.200 If you are Lebron James, or you're a Kawhi Leonard 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:34.120 or Kevin Durant, there's you just carry more than even 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:37.600 a great All Pro NFL player does. It's just the 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:38.800 way the sport works. 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:41.480 Plus, guys probably when you say run it, you mean 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:43.759 like they run practice and meetings and they say, we're 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:44.600 fucking this is what we're doing. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.120 There's input on everything. You have input on everything. I 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:48.440 don't know if you guys like Aaron. 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:52.760 Rodgers are like Peyton Manning. There's very few guys kind. 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:54.440 Of but I think every team in the all thirty 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:56.920 teams probably you could probably name five guys in the NFL. 0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:57.400 Ten guys. 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:01.680 Maybe you'd name the best wide receiver the NFL, and yeah, 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:05.120 but that he's not he's not having input on like 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:07.640 who they should draft, right, they should trade? Yes, where 0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:10.279 in the in the NBA, the top two guys on 0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:12.759 pretty much every team. I mean I had that with 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.160 the Clippers, and I was like the fourth or fifth guy, 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.080 you know, I had. I would talk to Doc, I 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:19.680 would talk to L Frank, I would talk to Steve 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.920 Balmer like I had that, you know, I had that 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:24.919 with Philly when I went there, Like I wasn't even 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.040 one of the best players, And I just I just 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:30.239 think that because of I don't know if it's less 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.600 guys or just like you know, we're on the court 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:38.160 the whole time. You know, in the NFL you're playing 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.640 offense or you're playing defense. And to a degree too, 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.640 it's like the NBA, a great player can impact the 0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:48.160 game more than a great NFL player because I don't 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:51.120 want to no IgE make broad gener rallies, but in general, 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:52.840 like in the NFL, like on a play, you have 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:53.800 a specific task. 0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:56.000 In the NBA, it's it's. 0:52:55.880 --> 0:53:00.439 A little more organic where a player's talent can sort 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:02.600 of shine in a bunch of different Right, does. 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:03.319 That make that that you guys? 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.960 The mannings thereon Rodgers, the Tom Brady's like, if you play, 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:09.080 if you play good offense, like running the ball, and 0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.040 you can keep them off the field, like you can 0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:13.560 keep those guys off the field, like those quarterbacks need 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:17.120 the defense, and the special teams in literally everybody just 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:18.200 as much as they feel. 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:19.000 Like they can affect basketball. 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.680 It seems like, well it seems like not knowing basketball, 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:23.400 but like it seems like you have two or three 0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:25.399 dudes you can take over and do whatever the fuck 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:25.759 you want. 0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:28.239 Almost yeah, you know what I'm saying. Pretty much like 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:29.239 when Lebron. 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:32.520 As long as those dudes were like good in twenty 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:34.080 twenty two and not the last time they were good 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:36.319 was like twenty sixteen, Like the Lakers this year, right, 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:38.480 they built a team around guys that were good six 0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:40.239 years as? 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:40.440 Uh? 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:41.319 Is that? Why? 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:41.600 Then? 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:45.319 Is that why Lebron? That man? Though? Yeah, yeah he 0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:45.960 still is. 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:48.040 I mean where would you rank him in the top 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:48.760 ten today? 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:50.200 I mean he's in the top ten. 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.279 I don't know the top five though, it's hard to 0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:55.640 judge based on this year, just because of how bad 0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:58.759 that team was and how bad badly that roster was constructed. 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:03.799 You know, I probably to a degree the Brooklyn that's 0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:07.520 not as bad of a roster but also equally bad 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:11.280 because it's the NBA has changed, and it's very recent, 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:14.200 but the NBA has changed, Like I really believe you 0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:15.640 need homegrown talent. 0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:16.160 Like you have the draft. 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.359 Well, that's that's the inefficiency in the marketplace. You have 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:21.960 to draft well, you have to have homegrown talent. You 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:26.680 can't buy championships anymore because you need all the ancillary pieces. 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.279 You can go get two or three great players that 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.239 are super max or max players. You need really good 0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:35.600 players three through seven, three through eight. And if you're 0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:37.319 going to have two or three Max guys, those guys 0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:39.440 have to be on rookie contracts or you have to 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:42.640 be really good with finding bargain players in free agency. 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:45.440 But if you okay, so if you're the La Rams. 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:48.160 They went and they didn't do anything in the draft, 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:50.640 and there's fifty three guys on a roster in the NFL, 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:52.720 how come you can't do that in the NBA anymore? 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:55.000 Like it seems like it'd be way easier to go 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:57.960 pay seven or eight guys and then and then have 0:54:58.040 --> 0:54:59.440 them be a super team. 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:01.319 Are you saying, do you see? You see that can't 0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:01.960 happen anymore? 0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:05.120 Once when the Rams just did that with way more guys, 0:55:05.120 --> 0:55:05.920 You know what I'm trying to say? 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:07.040 Yeah, I don't see what I'm saying. 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:09.840 I'm not again, I haven't put my GM hat on 0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:12.080 to be an NFL GM. Yeah, I have put it 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:15.080 on to be an NBA GM, right, And it's just 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.360 the general way our our cap works. So there's a 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:20.360 there's a cap, and then there's a luxury tax, and 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:24.400 there's a there's a hard cap, an apron, there's a 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:26.759 you know, the difference between the luxury tax and the 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.399 hard cap is like an apron. So once you get 0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:31.319 into like two max players, then it's like, all right, 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:35.160 we have thirteen roster spots we need to fill out with. Essentially, 0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:39.520 the supermaxes are so high now, essentially like forty million dollars, 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:41.880 so on average, you're going to pay guys three million 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:45.160 dollars a year, which is what the Lakers did this year. 0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:50.360 They signed you know, Avery Bradley, Trevor Reza uh DeAndre Jordan, 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:55.200 like all these guys on minimum contracts. Well, if you're 0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:58.000 a free agent and you're trying to get paid and 0:55:58.480 --> 0:56:02.040 another team has let's say the mid level, which is 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:04.480 ten million dollars a year, you're probably gonna go take 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:06.600 that versus two point five, you know what I mean. 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:09.360 So it's just the nature of the salary cap. So 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:12.000 unless you have those guys that you drafted and they're 0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:14.359 still on their rookie contract, and you're able to pay 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:16.640 those players once they become free agents because you have 0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:17.560 their bird rights. 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:21.440 But that's the challenge, the bird rights, bird rights? What's 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:22.680 the bird rights? Bird rights? 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:25.280 Basically, if you're drafted by a team and then you're 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:29.400 you're a free agent, and that team is over the the. 0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:34.080 What the salary the what's the star cap? Yeah, salar cap. 0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:35.719 If you're over the Sellard cap, you can resign them. 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:38.440 Came in with Larry Bird. So like if when I 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:42.439 signed with Philly on the one year deal, they didn't 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.600 have my bird rights the following summer, so when Lebron 0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:46.799 didn't sign there, they signed me on another one year deal. 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:48.480 Had I re signed there, they could have gone over 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:50.439 the luxury tax because after two years you have early 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.040 bird rights, after three you have full bird rights. 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:55.160 And this is all because of Larry Bird. It's all 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:57.759 because of Larry Bird. Do you care to explain that 0:56:57.800 --> 0:56:58.680 situation to me at all? 0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:03.080 I again, I not a complete basketball historian, but my 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.919 general knowledge of the situation is that the salary cap 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:09.080 came into place sometime in the nineteen eighties and Larry 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:12.279 Bird's rookie contract was over and the Celtics wanted to 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.640 resign him, but they couldn't go over the salary cap 0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:17.120 to resign him. So there was a rule put in 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:19.920 place in the collective Barging Agreement that you could resign 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:22.160 your own free agents to go over the salary cap 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:24.120 as long as you had bird rights. 0:57:24.240 --> 0:57:26.600 All right, Yeah, that was a good explanation. That's a 0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:27.320 great explanation. 0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:29.760 The Well, not a historian, but here's exactly what you 0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:31.919 need to know in for the for the Rams question, 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:33.560 I feel like they've been kind of cooking that team 0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:34.360 up for a couple of years. 0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:34.680 Yeah. 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:36.320 I mean like each year they've kind of added a 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.160 different place. And mind you, they drafted Aaron Donald. They 0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:42.880 drafted they've had it. They had Aaron Donald. He realized like, okay, 0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:44.960 they missed, they're missing a qbpiece. They were able to 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:47.360 trade Mats Stafford, and they probably feel Stafford. They got 0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:50.640 Obj and they were close enough if they just needed 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:52.760 if they got like the OBJ and the vond Mill 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:54.280 and they probably sat there they're like, hey, fuck these 0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:55.959 draft picks, Like, let's try to win the Super Bowl 0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:56.320 this year. 0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:58.600 I was mund it fascinating with the NFL, Like how 0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:01.000 you guys can sign a contract and like two years later, 0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:04.640 like a new contract happens. We're like we, you know, 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:08.360 we sign a contract, like, we can't renegotiate our contract 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:11.160 if we're gonna make Let's say a guy's gonna make 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:13.160 twenty million dollars and a team wants to go sign 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:14.680 another player. They're not gonna go to that player and 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:16.880 be like, hey, will you take ten next year? You know, 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:18.840 it's like yeah, no, it's just like guaranteed, like that's 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:19.320 what you get. 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:22.560 Yeah, and then it's a real issue on Harry. 0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:24.840 Beard is like it's like this guy's cat, he's gonna 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:27.200 make thirty seven million dollars, but his cap hits thirteen 0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:27.640 and it all. 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:29.760 It really depends on that ship. To me, it depends 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:32.040 on teams and how much like money they have. Yeah, 0:58:32.360 --> 0:58:35.240 Like if you're if your owner has lots of money, 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:37.880 really the cat doesn't really matter, right because we'll be 0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.080 making ten million dollars and his cap it's going to 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:42.000 be seven. Yeah, and we're gonna say, all right, hey, 0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:43.280 well we're gonna give you nine million dollars in a 0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:46.120 signing bonus right now, So now your capit's one and 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:47.320 you're making minimum this year. 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:50.240 It's just a crazy concept. Yeah, it really doesn't matter, 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:51.520 and we have a lot of tenders. 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:53.720 We have a lot of Like the tenders are wild. 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:54.280 The fifth year. 0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:56.880 There's a fifth year option where if you're a first 0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:59.160 round you're a first round draft pick, it's a four 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.040 year contract with an option for the team to pick 0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:03.520 up a fifth year option. Mind you, you can get franchise 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:05.760 tag twice too, because you can literally play seven years 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:06.760 on one deal. 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:07.320 Basically. 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:11.120 Yeah, and if you're out playing your contract, your rookie, 0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:13.520 we're about to get paid, they can put a fifth. 0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:14.120 Year option on you. 0:59:14.760 --> 0:59:16.760 And the fifth year option is like you make an 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:19.480 average of what the top ten guys are making or 0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:21.600 something like that, which is usually top three or four 0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:23.160 guys make a lot of money and there's a big 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:25.000 there's a big difference in the bottom, so you kind 0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:28.120 of average out position at your position, and then you 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:31.440 can get actually get another I think you can put 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:32.400 another option on the guy. 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:34.880 Again. No, that's a fresh eye stack. That's fresh eye stack. 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:36.800 It's the average of the top three, right, Yeah, they 0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:38.640 have the top three players. But yeah, you can just 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.680 crazy on these one year one year deals, and they 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:43.320 have your rights for like Taylor said, like up to 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:46.280 seven years if they actually wanted to. But rookies nowadays, 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.360 like if you start out performing your deal, like going 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:49.880 into that fifth year, if like they try a fifth 0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:51.840 year option, you guys are getting a lot. You know, 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:53.760 guys are like holding out or saying that they won't 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:54.520 play something like that. 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:55.200 Guys will hold out. 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:56.720 And usually what teams do is they'll pick up your 0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:59.760 fifth year option and then they'll negotiate as you're. 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:01.520 Going to your fourth year or your fifth year. 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:03.520 It doesn't really it doesn't really matter anymore, but it 1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:06.160 just gives them more time. Just in case, I signed 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:09.400 my second contract going into my fourth year, but they 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:10.680 already picked up my fifth year option. 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.360 They have to pick it up by what your third year, 1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:17.040 like by like mayor may or third year. It's a 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:19.120 it's a wild deal. It's a wild deal. 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:22.640 The it's it's crazy when you when you're an NFL 1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:24.840 player and you guys are we're all sitting here talking 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:26.240 about money and stuff like that, and then we look 1:00:26.240 --> 1:00:26.720 at the NBA. 1:00:26.720 --> 1:00:28.919 I was like, Yo, it's fucking wild. How these guys 1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:29.920 kind of just run the show. 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:33.720 It really is just like, we're like, mother fuck like 1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.360 these you are just making Like I think Derek Carr 1:00:36.400 --> 1:00:39.040 literally I didn't even play that much, right right right? 1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:40.560 Ten million dollars dude. 1:00:40.920 --> 1:00:44.480 Derek Carr signed his contract, not this most recent one, 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:47.000 but the one before that, and somebody tweeted him it 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:48.560 was like one hundred and twenty million dollar country or 1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:50.640 something like that, and he's like, hey, congratulations, you make 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:52.160 as much as a sixth man in the NBA. 1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:53.360 Now that's not true. 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.520 Well that someone says like that, and I was like, 1:00:55.560 --> 1:00:56.680 that's just fucking wild. 1:00:56.840 --> 1:00:59.040 That's but the money is like, have you been announce 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:00.280 starty and made a nice little. 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:04.680 My two year deal with the Pelicans was nice. Yeah, 1:01:04.680 --> 1:01:06.480 I mean I made like thirteen and a half or 1:01:06.520 --> 1:01:08.439 something a year and you were in the top five. 1:01:08.640 --> 1:01:11.560 And I wasn't a sorry, yeah, that's crazy. 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:12.160 It's good for you. 1:01:12.200 --> 1:01:14.120 I'm thinking that's crazy, Like I didn't play either, give 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:17.520 me that, that's crazy. If you're not a starter and 1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:20.200 a half million dollars different, it's different. 1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:22.280 I don't know how different. How is it? 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:26.080 What do you I play twenty eight minutes a game 1:01:26.120 --> 1:01:28.080 and scored over fifteen points, was second the league in 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:29.480 three point percentage. 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:30.040 Go off game. 1:01:30.080 --> 1:01:32.480 All right, Okay, listen, a guy, a guy in the 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:34.920 NFL who's not a starter might play ten snaps a 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:36.560 game like there's a that's my point. 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:38.880 There's a difference. So you're still getting kick me. I'm 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:39.600 right here on the bust. 1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:40.200 Look at me. 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:48.200 You might not play stuff in the NFL. He's just like, 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:51.560 just look at me, man. I didn't say it ten mil. 1:01:51.680 --> 1:01:53.040 Know what I'm saying. You're you're paid. 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:55.800 You're paid in the NBA based on production, and so 1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:57.840 you don't have to be a starter to produce. 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:00.440 That's where the difference is. You know, that's true. And 1:02:00.480 --> 1:02:02.840 you guys have like way like less guys. 1:02:03.000 --> 1:02:05.040 We have less guys. Yeah, and again it goes back. 1:02:05.280 --> 1:02:08.800 If you're generally speaking, you have like a max guy 1:02:08.920 --> 1:02:10.959 or a couple of max guys. You have a couple 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.200 guys that get salary cap, which is what every time 1:02:13.240 --> 1:02:15.000 I was a free agent, I signed with cap space. 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:17.560 I signed with to a team with cap space. Then 1:02:17.600 --> 1:02:20.600 you have like the exceptions, the mid level exception, and 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:22.600 if you're over the tax you have the tax payer 1:02:22.600 --> 1:02:25.160 mid level exception, which is about half of the mid 1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:29.280 level exception. And then everything else is like minimum, So 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:32.360 it's it just depends on your service. So like if 1:02:32.360 --> 1:02:34.720 you're a ten year guy, minimum is two point seven 1:02:34.960 --> 1:02:35.480 something like that. 1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:39.959 A nice man, that's a nice little baggy. I was like, 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:42.000 as a tenure guy, I think it's one. 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:46.200 One front player is minimum. So now you're on our son. 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:48.000 You see him change the tune a little bit. 1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:52.400 Yeah, that's minimum after you've played like eight or nine, yeah, 1:02:52.440 --> 1:02:53.000 ten years. 1:02:53.120 --> 1:02:55.840 Mind, this pastor is based on like nine eighty maybe 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:57.640 I think that's what it is. How many guys? 1:02:57.680 --> 1:03:02.280 How many guys minimum? Guys though that are like bawling 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:07.080 that are starting and producing, And I'm not saying they're 1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:10.680 like necessarily all pro players, but they're they're good. 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:13.640 They're really good. Well I'm grade out well in analytics, 1:03:15.160 --> 1:03:15.520 I see. 1:03:15.560 --> 1:03:24.200 I think analytics is a it's not not the move 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:23.200 but this. 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:28.800 Yeah, I know you have a bad taste about like 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:29.800 analytics and the people. 1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:31.520 I don't think it makes a whole It doesn't make 1:03:31.520 --> 1:03:33.560 a whole lot of sense. Stats like you can do 1:03:33.560 --> 1:03:36.160 it for quarterbacks, maybe wide receivers. 1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:37.720 You can do it to an extent, I feel like, 1:03:38.440 --> 1:03:39.160 but it doesn't tart the. 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:41.320 Entire story when people say numbers agree with you, People 1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:42.479 say numbers of the entire story. 1:03:42.520 --> 1:03:46.000 I disagree with that whole whole heart. And I love analytics. 1:03:46.240 --> 1:03:50.080 There's the most beautiful uh synergy that I've you know, 1:03:50.080 --> 1:03:51.960 can witness. And synergy, by the way, is a name 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:55.960 of advanced stats company. The most beautiful synergy that I 1:03:55.960 --> 1:03:59.000 can see. Like, when I analyze this stuff is my 1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:01.160 eye is telling me so. And I'll hit up a 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:03.040 couple people I use for advanced stats. It's some of 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:05.040 the stuff I check myself. But I'm not great on 1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:07.160 second spectrum. I don't really know how to operate it. 1:04:07.360 --> 1:04:10.400 So I'll be like, hey, it feels like this team 1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:12.760 is running way more ISOs this series and they don't 1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:14.400 run a lot of ISOs in the regular season. 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:15.360 Can you look that up? 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:16.960 And then it'll be like, oh, yeah, they're running forty 1:04:16.960 --> 1:04:19.520 percent more ISOs during this series than they do in 1:04:19.560 --> 1:04:22.360 the regular season. I'm like, oh, it matches up. Sometimes 1:04:22.440 --> 1:04:25.280 the eye test and the analytics they match up. Sometimes 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:27.880 the analytics tell us stuff we can't see with our eyes, 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:30.960 and sometimes the analytics lie to us with what we 1:04:31.000 --> 1:04:34.440 see with our eyes. Yeah, Like Devin books are an 1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:38.640 example of this. He is I think third on he 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:41.160 was like third on the Suns this year and win 1:04:41.280 --> 1:04:43.800 shares right, he's going to be first team All NBA. 1:04:44.360 --> 1:04:47.040 He was top five in MVP voting, like he was 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:50.760 their best player this year, but because of how analytics 1:04:50.800 --> 1:04:54.040 grade players out, he didn't fare particularly well. Like you're 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:55.880 always going to in the NBA. You're always going to 1:04:55.960 --> 1:04:59.160 need volume shot creators, and he's great at that and 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:01.600 he does it at a fair efficient level. And my 1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:04.360 eye can tell me that, but the analytics they lied 1:05:04.440 --> 1:05:05.480 to me. They lied to me. 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:07.160 They don't tell me he's as great as he is. 1:05:08.520 --> 1:05:11.240 Very well spoken man, he is. Jevin Booker, you are 1:05:11.680 --> 1:05:14.480 sure for sure? No, Yeah, I don't know. Definit Bucker 1:05:14.600 --> 1:05:16.000 answer your question about the minimum things. 1:05:16.000 --> 1:05:18.040 I feel like it probably happens more for like defensive 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:21.960 guys than offensive, yeah, because if you're if you're if 1:05:22.000 --> 1:05:24.880 you're like on offense, I feel like when you're like 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:28.040 when you're having a year like it's it's it's easier 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:30.680 to see, Yeah, Like defense could be harder because there's 1:05:30.720 --> 1:05:33.040 a lot of variables that you sometimes need to go 1:05:33.080 --> 1:05:35.320 to your way, like as far as opportunity and everything else. 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:37.400 So if you might see a minimum guy bawling on 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:39.800 a minimum contract. I feel like it's probably like a 1:05:40.440 --> 1:05:43.000 vet that's on like a one year deal, probably defensively. 1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:44.200 So here's another question I asker you. 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:46.240 I'm glad I have you guys on my podcast right now, 1:05:46.240 --> 1:05:48.680 but I have another question for you. 1:05:48.840 --> 1:05:50.280 I'm curious about this seriously. 1:05:50.640 --> 1:05:53.439 I think about the NBA and like a guy who's 1:05:53.440 --> 1:05:59.040 a free agent who needs to put up numbers, Like 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:00.480 in the NBA, it's a lot out of it is 1:06:00.600 --> 1:06:03.200 like your points, your rebounds, your assists, field goal percent, 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:04.920 all of this stuff, Like you need to put up numbers. 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:09.080 And so there's a way for a guy to basically 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:13.600 have goods counting stats, earn a nice contract, but have 1:06:14.080 --> 1:06:16.960 literally no impact on winning, either because he's playing on 1:06:17.000 --> 1:06:20.240 a bad team or because of his role. And he 1:06:20.400 --> 1:06:22.280 just you know, he's able to just shoot the ball 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:24.920 whenever he wants. And I wonder if the NFL, if 1:06:24.920 --> 1:06:26.800 you're able to do that, Like if a guy's a 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:30.280 free agent, like can you hide behind statistics or is 1:06:30.320 --> 1:06:32.640 in the NFL are you just exposed at all time 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:34.360 if what you do doesn't impact winning. 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:37.080 I think to another one that goes for defense, because 1:06:37.120 --> 1:06:38.800 you can hide behind statistics in a lot of way. 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:39.680 Ways. 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:42.200 If because a guy, let's say a defensive end, he 1:06:42.240 --> 1:06:43.480 can have a lot of sacks, you can look at 1:06:43.520 --> 1:06:44.919 him and be like, oh that you have twelve sacks, 1:06:45.040 --> 1:06:47.080 your holy shit, And then you go watch his film 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:49.439 and he he might not be beating guys one on one. 1:06:49.760 --> 1:06:51.840 The quarterback might be holding the ball really long, or 1:06:51.840 --> 1:06:53.520 he gets flushed out of the pocket the wrong way. 1:06:53.720 --> 1:06:55.440 It's an efforts sack a lot of way, a lot 1:06:55.440 --> 1:06:57.320 of ways, which is one of the arguments I would 1:06:57.320 --> 1:07:00.240 have had with what's his name who loves digit t J. 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:05.080 Watt Jersey Jerry's t J. Wat's an unblievable defensive end. 1:07:05.280 --> 1:07:07.800 He deserves everything he's getting, but a lot of his 1:07:07.960 --> 1:07:10.640 sacks or effort sacks as well, Like he beats you, 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:13.360 don't get me wrong, He fucking murders cats out. 1:07:13.480 --> 1:07:15.440 Are their statistics for that, like how many times you 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:17.200 beat you? Sure there are? Yeah? 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:19.800 Yeah, That's where PFF comes in to play Pro Football Focus. 1:07:20.120 --> 1:07:22.520 The thing Will was kind of alluding to with me 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:26.720 was with PFF, they gray everybody every single day, and 1:07:26.760 --> 1:07:29.560 they they have like these numbers come out and it's 1:07:29.560 --> 1:07:32.560 a very difficult thing to do for my position, because 1:07:32.840 --> 1:07:36.240 you don't there's a thousand different ways to run one play, 1:07:36.800 --> 1:07:39.200 and based on how we run ours, it's different than 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:42.720 Washington does, or San Francisco does, or you know, and 1:07:42.800 --> 1:07:44.280 so when you go to grade it, you can't grade 1:07:44.320 --> 1:07:46.080 us all the same, and so you need to have somebody, 1:07:46.120 --> 1:07:47.520 let's literally in the building to know what to do. 1:07:47.560 --> 1:07:49.440 And that's where I kind of get off like a 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:50.200 little upset with. 1:07:50.200 --> 1:07:52.400 Numbers, right, because there's times there's one thing I won't 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:54.800 go back to this, the task part of it. You 1:07:54.840 --> 1:07:59.440 could do your task, but someone through their bias of 1:07:59.440 --> 1:08:02.800 how they think the task should be run right, grades 1:08:02.800 --> 1:08:05.840 you a different way. Internally, the Titans could be like, oh, 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:07.280 you did that perfectly right. 1:08:07.320 --> 1:08:09.240 And there there was a point in twenty sixteen where 1:08:09.280 --> 1:08:11.320 I was the grade of the number one tackle for 1:08:11.440 --> 1:08:13.360 the first nine weeks of the season, and I said 1:08:13.360 --> 1:08:15.960 the same thing then too. It's just like they don't 1:08:15.960 --> 1:08:17.280 really know what they're talking about when it comes to 1:08:17.280 --> 1:08:19.920 the offense line. And now with quarterbacks, I think running 1:08:19.920 --> 1:08:21.240 backs would be another difficult one to do. 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:23.200 I think defenses will be very pretty hard. 1:08:23.280 --> 1:08:25.639 Depends like with a O lineman that you could see 1:08:25.640 --> 1:08:27.960 it like if you're moving the guy out of the gap, 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:30.880 like you could be doing the task, but are you 1:08:30.960 --> 1:08:32.559 are you moving him to the sideline Like for me 1:08:32.600 --> 1:08:35.120 as a backer, like I could take a I could take. 1:08:34.960 --> 1:08:36.360 An offensive lineman on in the hole. 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:39.040 But if we're stagnant or I'm barely getting moved even 1:08:39.080 --> 1:08:41.320 though I'm doing the right thing, like I know, mom 1:08:41.400 --> 1:08:43.360 leveraging the right side to all these guys, don't know 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:48.040 what the fuck the talker takes on more of a 1:08:48.160 --> 1:08:50.400 more of a thudder dote hi tower takes on somebody 1:08:50.400 --> 1:08:52.559 and puts the offensive lineman in the gap. You'd see 1:08:52.600 --> 1:08:54.760 why he'd get like a better grade because he's he's 1:08:54.800 --> 1:08:57.880 physically moving the guy more, which could play into it 1:08:57.880 --> 1:08:59.639 and to do a spill. 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:02.440 Uh, it's so crazy because defense. 1:09:02.280 --> 1:09:03.760 Doesn't feel the same way when you're talking about some 1:09:03.800 --> 1:09:05.400 of the basketball Stuff'm like, I kind of don't know 1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:05.840 what that means. 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:07.000 But he makes that shit sound great. 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:09.679 It's crazy, right, and but yeah, that's what's a crazy world. 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:12.040 More so defense where you can hide behind stats like 1:09:12.160 --> 1:09:14.559 dbs who get a lot of picks, you have like 1:09:14.640 --> 1:09:16.000 you got a lot of picks you made a lot 1:09:16.040 --> 1:09:17.840 of plays on the ball, you get a lot of sacks, 1:09:17.880 --> 1:09:19.640 he could be a bad run defender, like maybe he's 1:09:19.720 --> 1:09:21.360 rushing to get a sack every damn play. 1:09:21.439 --> 1:09:23.240 Right, that's a great point. Yeah, DB's too. 1:09:23.280 --> 1:09:24.800 It's like if you get a lot of picks, that 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:27.160 means they're throwing the ball on your side right right. 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:27.720 Yeah. 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:31.400 Or if you're a safety too, safeties do like Kevin Byron. 1:09:31.439 --> 1:09:32.519 He's on the Titans. 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:35.280 He had a lot of interceptions this past year, and 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:36.679 he's just in the right place at the right time. 1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:38.559 Again, full quarterbacks that type of thing. 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:40.559 But if you're a corner one on one like Drew 1:09:40.640 --> 1:09:44.360 Revis at one point when he was on Revis Island 1:09:43.960 --> 1:09:46.240 is like he it was like, you don't even throw 1:09:46.280 --> 1:09:47.599 to that area, Like he just lost. 1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:49.600 Dudes down the great ones, like they probably won't have 1:09:49.640 --> 1:09:51.400 a lot of stats because then the ball's not thrown 1:09:51.439 --> 1:09:52.559 to him, right, you know how it is. 1:09:52.560 --> 1:09:54.439 So it all comes down who's. 1:09:53.840 --> 1:09:56.000 The cornerback for the Dallas Cowboys. Keep going ahead and 1:09:56.040 --> 1:10:00.479 we'll keep going Stefan Diggs. No, the corner is it's 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:04.160 the Trevon Digs. Trevon Diggs, He's a guy I saw 1:10:04.200 --> 1:10:05.560 a stat I don't know if this is true or not. 1:10:05.680 --> 1:10:07.439 He had the most interceptions in the NFL last year. 1:10:07.640 --> 1:10:09.320 But he also had the most yards given up by 1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:12.160 any cornerback too. But he was all pro. He would 1:10:12.160 --> 1:10:14.160 play aggressively. You could beat him on a double move 1:10:14.240 --> 1:10:15.519 because he's like looking to. 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:17.160 Get a pick. He trying to get them. Pichy, he 1:10:17.200 --> 1:10:19.040 is a stud. But yeah, like like the great ones. 1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:21.120 But you know how it is, like all those numbers, 1:10:21.160 --> 1:10:23.200 all that stuff comes down to like trying to gain leverage, 1:10:23.200 --> 1:10:26.160 like in a negotiation. So some guys it does work out, 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:27.720 you know, others you know it might not. 1:10:27.920 --> 1:10:30.719 But it all comes down to probably the thing. Another 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:32.559 thing is too just like supplying demand. Like a lot 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:33.920 of guys would go in to free agency and you'll 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:35.759 be like, he's not that good, but he gets broke 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:40.720 off because this team needs there's let's say there's market day, 1:10:40.760 --> 1:10:42.240 the market down, there's not. 1:10:42.200 --> 1:10:45.479 Many tackles out on twenty sixteen free agency. By a year, 1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:47.840 I was a free agent twenty seventeen. 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And there were times 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:27.040 where you talked about quitting, and I've seen that you did. 1:12:27.240 --> 1:12:29.160 Is it true that you've changed your number at times? 1:12:29.200 --> 1:12:30.240 Like your cell phone number? 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:32.719 Oh my god? So yeah. 1:12:32.800 --> 1:12:36.639 I mean my sophomore year, I've probably changed it ten 1:12:36.720 --> 1:12:40.400 or fifteen times. There were so many nights that year 1:12:40.640 --> 1:12:44.120 where I don't know who was the culprit who from 1:12:44.360 --> 1:12:46.559 it was somebody from Duke that had a friend at 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:50.080 another school that would pass along my number, and you know, 1:12:50.120 --> 1:12:54.120 it was UNC fans mostly and Maryland fans mostly. And 1:12:54.600 --> 1:12:57.479 back then I had the Nokia, you know, and so like, 1:12:57.920 --> 1:12:59.439 I don't know if you could do this maybe in 1:12:59.479 --> 1:13:01.680 like the Upper Model my junior and senior year, but 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:04.760 early on, like you couldn't like get an alarm and 1:13:04.840 --> 1:13:08.920 simultaneously have it on silent. So I would just get 1:13:08.960 --> 1:13:12.320 calls all night long, like thirty forty calls, you know, 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:14.600 as soon as like the number shows up at a 1:13:14.600 --> 1:13:17.479 Maryland party or at a Maryland bar, like my shit's 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:21.920 blown up, over and over and over again. So I, yeah, 1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:23.920 I had to deal with that. There were you know, 1:13:23.960 --> 1:13:26.000 there were times that Maryland fans would call me, they 1:13:26.000 --> 1:13:31.080 would call me the Antichrist, which just like what again, 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:37.320 this is true? No, it's wonder but the watch it 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:40.000 goes back to why I sort I felt like, in 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:42.519 a way, we're all the main character in our own story, right, 1:13:42.560 --> 1:13:48.120 We're all little bit narcissistic, I think inherently, Yeah, but 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:52.240 you know, Duke felt like this this this fish bowl, 1:13:52.240 --> 1:13:57.000 and I was like the main character. Everybody. Everybody really 1:13:57.000 --> 1:13:58.960 hated me, and it was it was tough to deal with. 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:00.960 So yeah, my sophomore year, and I may have told 1:14:00.960 --> 1:14:03.800 this story with with Dan and Eric on their pod, 1:14:03.840 --> 1:14:07.679 but my sophomore year, I called my sisters to campus. 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:10.880 It was during the Christmas break. I told him to 1:14:10.880 --> 1:14:12.680 come over from Raleigh and they came over. There was 1:14:12.680 --> 1:14:15.760 this chicken place and we grabbed a chicken sandwich and 1:14:15.800 --> 1:14:17.519 I was like, I'm done, like I want to quit, 1:14:17.680 --> 1:14:19.280 and they're like, what do you mean? I was like, 1:14:19.320 --> 1:14:21.720 I just I was like, I want to be a 1:14:21.800 --> 1:14:24.519 normal student. I want to go to class. I want 1:14:24.520 --> 1:14:28.360 to be a frat kid. I think I probably said 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:30.599 I wanted to write poetry. I think that probably came. 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:32.320 Ran poetry when you're depressed, that it is the move, 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:35.280 it is the move, that is this move. Sure, And 1:14:35.280 --> 1:14:36.519 and then I didn't quit. 1:14:37.200 --> 1:14:40.840 Second semester, I went into what I would describe as 1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:45.400 a spiral. I was out every night, nights before games. 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:50.160 I would drink twenty five thirty beers n show up 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:54.759 the next day. I counted really crossing, like the marker 1:14:54.760 --> 1:14:57.160 on the wrist. I move after the season there. Do 1:14:57.200 --> 1:14:58.920 you guys remember the OC please? Some of you watch 1:14:58.960 --> 1:14:59.200 the OC. 1:14:59.360 --> 1:15:00.960 Yeah, I remember, but I did not watch it. 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:02.840 That was the show when I was in college. That 1:15:03.000 --> 1:15:05.840 was like we would record it on VHS. We record 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:09.679 it and like watch it later. So it was a Thursday, 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:11.960 and I was like, OC's on tonight, and I was like, 1:15:12.000 --> 1:15:14.000 I'm going to see how many beers I can drink tonight. 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:17.280 And I started at eight o'clock when the OC came on, 1:15:17.320 --> 1:15:20.519 and I got to like thirty nine by the next morning, 1:15:20.800 --> 1:15:24.559 and and it was just like that was my second 1:15:24.600 --> 1:15:27.599 semester at Duke. I was just I was out of control, 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:31.760 and a little bit of it was immaturity and selfishness. 1:15:32.520 --> 1:15:36.719 A little bit of it was rebellion because I had 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:40.519 my whole sporting life since I was seven years old. 1:15:40.520 --> 1:15:42.599 And watch Christian Latner hit the shot to be Kentucky, 1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:43.720 I was like, I want to go to Duke. 1:15:43.720 --> 1:15:45.800 I want to go to Duke. And it was like 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:46.960 a dream come true. 1:15:47.200 --> 1:15:49.759 And then I get to Duke and I'm like, oh, 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:53.320 everyone fucking hates my guts, Like this is not what 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:54.040 I signed up. 1:15:54.200 --> 1:15:56.040 Why did everyone? Why did anyone hate you so much 1:15:56.160 --> 1:15:57.800 because I was a Duke. I mean if I had 1:15:57.840 --> 1:16:00.200 gone to Florida or Uva, like it would have been funne. 1:16:00.200 --> 1:16:01.519 I would just would have been a normal kid. I 1:16:01.520 --> 1:16:02.920 would have had that hate vibe home. 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:06.200 They do they do and it's like the white villain 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:07.240 at Duke like that was. 1:16:07.400 --> 1:16:09.000 That was definitely part of it. I was next in 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:10.879 line for that because. 1:16:10.680 --> 1:16:14.640 We I mean we had we had like eleven or 1:16:14.720 --> 1:16:18.320 twelve games my freshman year that we played at the 1:16:18.360 --> 1:16:20.000 beginning of the season. It was like home games, and 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:23.240 then we played like UCLA in Indianapolis. We played Ohio 1:16:23.320 --> 1:16:25.920 State in Greensboro for the Big tenn ACC Challenge. We'd 1:16:25.920 --> 1:16:27.720 have a road game till after the new year, and 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:30.120 we go to Clemson. We come out for warm ups 1:16:30.120 --> 1:16:32.880 in the entire student sections chanting ship. Two weeks later, 1:16:32.920 --> 1:16:36.639 we go to Uva, my home state. There's all these students. 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:40.439 I had really bad bacne in college and I had 1:16:40.960 --> 1:16:43.760 there's all these kids wearing like makeshift white Duke for 1:16:44.320 --> 1:16:47.200 Duke number four jerseys and they had painted like red dots. 1:16:46.880 --> 1:16:49.920 On their shoulders. Hilarious. By the way, I thought it 1:16:49.960 --> 1:16:52.200 was hilarious. I was, you know, I was very sensitive. 1:16:52.400 --> 1:16:53.080 You think it was funny. 1:16:53.120 --> 1:16:55.800 I did, even though it was really sensitive about you know, 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:58.400 my my shoulder acting. I was like, man, that's that's 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:01.280 fucking creative. Why didn't you go T shirt unto the jersey? 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:02.960 Then if you're so if you're insecure, about it. 1:17:02.960 --> 1:17:03.519 It was a rule. 1:17:03.520 --> 1:17:06.200 We couldn't do it. I convinced him thephomore year, I 1:17:06.240 --> 1:17:08.400 went into his office. I may have cried and I 1:17:08.479 --> 1:17:10.479 was just like, you gotta let me know. Shit shirt 1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:11.320 under my jersey. 1:17:11.640 --> 1:17:16.360 Damn you you say may have I cried? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:17:16.400 --> 1:17:18.000 Well that's that's a real deal. 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:22.200 So the end of my sophomore year, we lost in 1:17:22.240 --> 1:17:23.800 the final four. It was a it was a low 1:17:23.840 --> 1:17:27.160 point for me. We we lost to Yukon. We were 1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:28.720 up eight with like three and a half minutes to go, 1:17:29.680 --> 1:17:32.639 and they came back and I had a chance twice, 1:17:32.760 --> 1:17:35.439 actually once to take the lead with like ten seconds left. 1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:38.080 I got stripped and then I had a chance with 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:41.679 like five seconds left to hit a three to Taius 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:44.760 and I missed him both and I just like that 1:17:44.880 --> 1:17:48.320 spiral that I was on went even deeper, and Coach 1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:50.920 would like make me come in on Saturday mornings to 1:17:51.000 --> 1:17:52.800 his office and he would meet with me, and he 1:17:52.880 --> 1:17:55.519 told me during one of those meetings, he said, uh, 1:17:55.640 --> 1:17:57.960 we didn't win a national championship because you weren't worthy 1:17:58.000 --> 1:18:00.679 to be a champion. It's like the met thing everyone's 1:18:00.680 --> 1:18:02.519 ever said to me. And it was true. It was true, 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:06.280 but it was like so soul cutting right. That sent 1:18:06.320 --> 1:18:09.360 me further down. So I then my parents, because they 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:11.280 knew I was having a tough time for Christmas, had 1:18:11.320 --> 1:18:13.040 given me a toy airplane. 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:15.639 I'm like, what the it was a ticket. 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:18.000 Basically, They're like, wherever you want to go after the 1:18:18.240 --> 1:18:19.439 school year's out, you can go. 1:18:20.280 --> 1:18:21.679 So I'm like all right. 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:24.200 I was like, oh, I want to go see my buddy, 1:18:24.880 --> 1:18:26.360 duke soccer player. I want to go see my buddy 1:18:26.360 --> 1:18:30.440 in California. So I planned this trip. We went to Davis, California. 1:18:30.800 --> 1:18:32.799 We went to the Bay, we went to Santa Barbara, 1:18:32.880 --> 1:18:34.519 we went to La drove back up. 1:18:35.160 --> 1:18:35.360 Well. 1:18:35.400 --> 1:18:37.719 By the time I got to the trip, my parents 1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:39.320 knew that I was in a really bad place. I 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:41.080 had seven dollars in my checking account. They're like, we're 1:18:41.120 --> 1:18:42.920 not going to give you any money for this trip. 1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:44.240 We'll let you still go on the trip, We're not 1:18:44.240 --> 1:18:46.599 going to give any money. I basically like bummed off 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:49.040 people for those like ten days I was out there. 1:18:49.680 --> 1:18:55.000 And I got back from the trip, and I was 1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:57.559 supposed to finish an incomplete because I had knock gone 1:18:57.600 --> 1:18:59.320 a class all semester either so I was supposed to 1:18:59.320 --> 1:19:01.839 finish it in complete. So I'm hanging out my buddy's 1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:07.000 apartment for like two weeks, and I would wake up 1:19:07.040 --> 1:19:10.519 at like two pm in the afternoon, I'd start chugging beers. 1:19:10.600 --> 1:19:13.360 I'd have a burrito party through the night, wake up 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:15.120 at two pm. I did that for two straight weeks. 1:19:15.160 --> 1:19:16.800 No one knew where I was. I told my parents 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:18.479 I was in summer school. I told Duke I was 1:19:18.479 --> 1:19:21.160 back home finishing my complete One day, I get a 1:19:21.160 --> 1:19:24.200 fucking wrap rap rap at noon on the door of 1:19:24.240 --> 1:19:26.840 the apartment and it's Coach Collins and Coach Wojo. So 1:19:26.920 --> 1:19:29.600 I walked downstairs. I've literally got by the way. I 1:19:29.640 --> 1:19:32.479 have one outfit I've got. It's an aberc It's a 1:19:32.560 --> 1:19:36.240 blue Abercrombie shirt and Abercrombie cargo show. 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:38.720 It was the time. 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:40.960 It was the time, and I've and I've got these 1:19:41.080 --> 1:19:43.200 these flip flops that I had bought at the Gap 1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:45.640 in San Francisco with my last five dollars. They were 1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:49.400 on sale, and they're like, they're like, come outside. So 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:52.439 I'm like, all right, So I'm two, I'm probably one 1:19:52.520 --> 1:19:55.960 ninety five. I'm two twenty five. Bro, I'm fucking fatty. 1:19:56.080 --> 1:19:59.759 I'm fat as fuck. I hadn't shaved in like three weeks. 1:19:59.800 --> 1:20:03.200 My hair is like Sae frat boy hair, you know 1:20:03.200 --> 1:20:03.639 what I mean. 1:20:03.520 --> 1:20:05.599 A little wavy, little curly right over the years. 1:20:06.000 --> 1:20:08.320 They're like, you know, come outside. We get in the car, 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:10.000 we drive all the way back to camp. 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:12.400 Possible for where's your anxiety? And when these dudes knock. 1:20:12.240 --> 1:20:15.920 On the door, ten out of ten, ten out of ten, 1:20:16.000 --> 1:20:17.160 which is debilitating. 1:20:17.280 --> 1:20:21.040 Debilitating. There was bongs everywhere as well, like it was bad. 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:23.000 It was a bad scene. Beer beer cans everywhere. 1:20:23.880 --> 1:20:26.680 In a way though, and I'll in a way, I 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:30.160 was like, finally, really, yeah, someone came to get me. 1:20:30.360 --> 1:20:34.440 I was like finally. And so they we go to campus. 1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:36.840 We're getting ready to cock. This is a random part 1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:38.280 of the story. But we get we get ready to 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:41.360 turn on campus and Wojo looks in the rear for 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:44.360 yoummu and he's like, nobody said a word, by the way, 1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:47.679 since come outside, Like I just followed them into the car. 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:51.000 We get to campus and he's like, so what have 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:53.120 you been doing? And I was like I don't know 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:55.559 why I said this, but I was like watching movies. 1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:00.360 I was like all right. 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:02.639 So they took me up to Coach K's office. They 1:21:02.720 --> 1:21:05.479 dragged me through the through the fifth floor. He's on 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:07.040 the sixth floor. They dragged me through the fifth floor 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:09.280 to embarrass me and shame me, which I love that 1:21:09.320 --> 1:21:11.719 they did that because Bojo and College are complete assholes 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:13.960 and I love them to death. So they dragged me through, 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:16.599 I'm like looking like shit, and then we go up 1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:18.719 to Coach's office. We had a lot, like a long 1:21:18.760 --> 1:21:22.559 hour and a half meeting, and you know, they they 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:25.360 basically it was basically an ultimatum. It was like, dude, 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:26.519 we're not going to kick you off the team. We're 1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:28.519 not going to kick you off camp, you know, at 1:21:28.520 --> 1:21:30.759 of school, but you need to get your shit together, 1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:32.840 and like we're gonna get you, you know, the help 1:21:32.880 --> 1:21:35.639 you need. So like I started seeing a therapist, saw 1:21:35.680 --> 1:21:38.559 a therapist the rest of my time at Duke that summer. 1:21:38.600 --> 1:21:40.280 I saw a psychiatrist as well. 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:44.519 They put me on a fucking hourly schedule that summer 1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:46.599 and it was dude, I swear to god, I still 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:50.000 have the sheet. Is eight am, wake up, nine am, 1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:54.040 check in, ten am class, you know, one pm, study hall, 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:58.360 two pm court, three pm, weights, four PM run, five pm, 1:21:58.400 --> 1:22:02.280 pick up, six pm, dinner, eight pm. You know, you're 1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:05.559 in your apartment ten pm, lights out. And I did 1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:06.280 that all summer. 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:09.599 They check in your apartment to make sure it was. 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:11.600 Funny because it was two weeks into summer school, so 1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:13.880 I didn't have I had have petitioned the dean to 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:15.120 get back into summer school. 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:16.360 They let me back in. 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:20.679 I took a class on the Civil War and there's 1:22:20.720 --> 1:22:23.040 the start of my transformation as a student as well 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:26.120 that summer. I got basically straight a's after that. But 1:22:27.960 --> 1:22:30.240 because it was so late in the summer, they were like, 1:22:30.479 --> 1:22:34.160 we don't like all the all your teammates, all the managers, everybody, 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:37.040 you know that they already have roommates. So there was 1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:40.760 this random dude, I don't know his name. There's this 1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:44.040 random dude on Central campus. They were like, there's a 1:22:44.080 --> 1:22:47.080 person that has an extra bedroom in the two bedroom 1:22:47.080 --> 1:22:48.120 apartment on Central Campus. 1:22:48.200 --> 1:22:49.360 You're gonna live with this person. 1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:52.439 And he had no affiliation to anyone I knew any 1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:55.160 affiliation of the team. And I walked into the apartment. 1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:56.679 I was like, hey, man, I'm going through some shit. 1:22:57.000 --> 1:22:58.720 I would appreciate it. I'm going to be friendly to you, 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:00.000 but I appreciate it if you just like let me, 1:23:00.520 --> 1:23:02.479 let me be for the next like six weeks. 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:04.760 And he's like, what a first impression? Yeah? Yeah, so 1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:06.800 what did he say to you? He's like, okay, O, good, 1:23:06.920 --> 1:23:07.800 no worries. 1:23:07.560 --> 1:23:09.360 And I would like see him like later on like 1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:11.160 my junior and senior year, and it was like it 1:23:11.200 --> 1:23:12.920 was like a passing, you know, sort of like I 1:23:13.000 --> 1:23:13.840 didn't know his name. 1:23:14.400 --> 1:23:16.760 No, he probably talks about you all the time. He 1:23:16.840 --> 1:23:18.160 probably talk about you all the time. 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:21.200 Dude, you're probably talking about he was instrumental and JJ reddick. 1:23:20.920 --> 1:23:24.120 A yeah, jj reddick h. Yeah. When I met him, 1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:26.400 he was going through it is done. Yeah, see what 1:23:26.439 --> 1:23:27.960 he's done that schedule. 1:23:28.520 --> 1:23:30.800 That was life changing. Yeah, because that became the rest 1:23:30.840 --> 1:23:32.920 of my life. And I wouldn't have done what I 1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:34.479 did in the NBA, or don't even done what I 1:23:34.479 --> 1:23:37.080 did a duke had the length of career I had. 1:23:37.240 --> 1:23:39.360 I was, I mean, from that point I was a psycho. 1:23:39.520 --> 1:23:42.360 I was an absolute psycho. It was like diligent routine, 1:23:43.000 --> 1:23:45.840 my schedule that takes precedence over everything. I need to 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:47.360 get my work done, I need to get my sleep, 1:23:47.400 --> 1:23:49.080 I need to eat right, I'm going to go after 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:51.519 it like that over and over and over again. And 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:52.920 I did that for the rest of my career. 1:23:53.880 --> 1:23:56.719 Oh shit, dude, that's a that's an incredible deal. 1:23:56.800 --> 1:23:59.760 Yeah, what do you think I discipline, disciplines the number 1:23:59.760 --> 1:24:01.439 one you need for success is what you're saying. 1:24:01.880 --> 1:24:05.160 Well, I think obsession is I agree with that. 1:24:05.240 --> 1:24:09.599 I think because even with like a creative you don't 1:24:09.640 --> 1:24:14.479 necessarily need discipline if you're super talented. I know guys 1:24:14.479 --> 1:24:17.000 in the NBA that aren't as disciplined as I was. 1:24:17.360 --> 1:24:19.880 I know guys that probably are more disciplined than I was. 1:24:19.920 --> 1:24:24.720 Like I, it's obsession. It's like the true love the 1:24:24.720 --> 1:24:27.400 stuff we were talking about earlier about like fuck, man, 1:24:27.439 --> 1:24:28.920 I want to go have a beer on Broadway, or 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:31.200 fuck I want to go, you know, have Thanksgiving dinner 1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:34.360 with my family, all those things, like we have to 1:24:34.400 --> 1:24:37.000 be more obsessed with the other thing. We have to 1:24:37.040 --> 1:24:40.360 be more obsessed with what we're doing. And I always was. 1:24:40.600 --> 1:24:43.840 I was always more obsessed with it, and it's you know, 1:24:44.200 --> 1:24:46.680 so it was like the obsession on one hand, but 1:24:46.720 --> 1:24:50.360 then it was like learning how to be diligent, learning 1:24:50.400 --> 1:24:54.400 how to have a routine, you know, I I developed 1:24:54.400 --> 1:24:56.519 this routine as a pro player. It was like it 1:24:56.560 --> 1:25:00.320 was sick because my routines had routines, and it was 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:03.080 like to the minute on a game day, to the minute, 1:25:03.160 --> 1:25:05.360 starting at eight am. Whenever I woke up, it was like, 1:25:05.360 --> 1:25:07.559 to the minute. All right, it's twelve thirteen, I've got 1:25:07.600 --> 1:25:09.960 seventeen minutes till i need to lunch. It's one to fifteen. 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:11.840 I've got fifteen minutes till I need to take my nap. 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:14.639 I'm waking up at four pm. I'm calling the room 1:25:14.680 --> 1:25:17.080 service at four thirt Like it was just everything was 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:17.719 to the minute. 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:19.920 When you do stuff like that, though, does it ever 1:25:19.960 --> 1:25:23.840 feel like if something messes with that schedule, like your 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:26.000 kids are doing something, your wife does something, you can 1:25:26.120 --> 1:25:28.200 argue with somebody and at fucksuper situal where you're nothing, 1:25:28.280 --> 1:25:31.080 you're now off the minute? Yeah, it does it fuck 1:25:31.160 --> 1:25:33.080 up your game? Did it fuck up your situation? Because 1:25:33.360 --> 1:25:34.880 being that obsessive. 1:25:34.800 --> 1:25:36.240 It would fuck me up in the moment. 1:25:36.439 --> 1:25:38.280 I don't know there was one example I can think 1:25:38.280 --> 1:25:40.000 of where it really fucked me up in the game, 1:25:40.040 --> 1:25:41.000 but it would fuck me at the moment. 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:42.080 I'll give you an example of that. 1:25:42.439 --> 1:25:45.080 My first game with the Pelicans were in Toronto, and 1:25:45.280 --> 1:25:48.840 again they don't know that I'm like this, And so 1:25:49.000 --> 1:25:52.200 Jamel McMillan, Nate McMillan's son, comes in the training room 1:25:52.240 --> 1:25:54.920 and I've started my routine ninety minutes on the clock. 1:25:54.920 --> 1:25:56.800 I'm in the training room, sixty five minutes on the clock. 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:58.920 I'm in the weight room, fifty two minutes on the clock. 1:25:58.920 --> 1:26:01.839 I'm on the court eight minutes. I'm finishing up my workout. 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:04.519 I'm back in the locker room at thirty six minutes, 1:26:04.560 --> 1:26:07.760 like I'm starting that first game. And he comes to 1:26:07.760 --> 1:26:09.920 the locker room and he's like, hey, man, you're shooting it. 1:26:09.920 --> 1:26:11.559 He made he said some time that was not my 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:13.800 shooting time, and I fucking lost. 1:26:13.520 --> 1:26:13.920 It on him. 1:26:13.920 --> 1:26:16.519 And I really Jamel and I are cool, like, but 1:26:16.560 --> 1:26:18.519 it was our first interaction that we had had, and. 1:26:18.479 --> 1:26:21.040 I was like, what the fuck? What what kind of 1:26:21.040 --> 1:26:23.479 operation is this? That's not my shooting top. I agree 1:26:23.479 --> 1:26:25.600 to this shooting time this morning. I told you, motherfuckers. 1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:28.040 Like then, I'm like, okay, I gotta go apologize like 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:29.040 seven people right now. 1:26:29.200 --> 1:26:32.960 Yeah, But that was the game. That's the game, like 1:26:32.960 --> 1:26:33.599 all that stuff. 1:26:33.840 --> 1:26:36.400 The one time was I was in Indianapolis when I 1:26:36.439 --> 1:26:38.240 was with the Bucks and were it was a different 1:26:38.240 --> 1:26:41.160 hotel than we normally stayed at. And I ordered my 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:45.240 room service and it never came, and I went, you know, 1:26:45.280 --> 1:26:46.960 I'm like, I'm running out of time. Now I've got 1:26:46.960 --> 1:26:48.840 to go down. I canna take my bags under the bus. 1:26:48.880 --> 1:26:51.280 So I went down. I go to the restaurant like, hey, 1:26:51.400 --> 1:26:54.640 room service never came, Like whatever, they go get it. 1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:57.080 They gave it to me a minute before my bus time. 1:26:57.760 --> 1:26:59.840 So I'm eating like on the bus as I'm walking 1:26:59.840 --> 1:27:02.120 in the arena, and I was like two for thirteen 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:06.040 that night and just couldn't I couldn't focus on the game. 1:27:06.320 --> 1:27:09.040 Was it because of the because of the food, because 1:27:09.200 --> 1:27:11.800 the food is bad? Like you're, yeah, what do you 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:12.559 think about the routine? 1:27:12.600 --> 1:27:12.760 There? 1:27:13.080 --> 1:27:13.320 Me up? 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:14.880 Messed up your dad? 1:27:15.000 --> 1:27:15.400 Here's it? 1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:18.320 So it was all about control for me. You know, 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:20.120 I get here, that's what I can control. I'm going 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:22.839 to control this and like you're now you're now fucking 1:27:22.920 --> 1:27:25.800 with my control. The one thing I can control is 1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:28.040 my routine, and now you're fucking with it. 1:27:28.080 --> 1:27:28.799 And I'm pissed. 1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:32.599 Yeah, and it sucked up? Looked Yeah, two for thirteen? Yeah, see. 1:27:32.600 --> 1:27:35.200 I've tried to be like that before during game, especially 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:37.120 in game day. But one thing I've realized for myself, 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:40.519 when I do best when I had like I don't 1:27:40.560 --> 1:27:42.439 try to have control over anything as long as like 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:43.880 in my head, I'm like, oh, I just need to 1:27:43.880 --> 1:27:46.360 feel good before this game starts. I can show up 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:48.040 four hours before the game starts. I showed up two 1:27:48.040 --> 1:27:49.640 hours before the game starts. It does not matter to 1:27:49.640 --> 1:27:51.640 me anymore. But at one point I was like that, 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:53.800 right if for like, wake up at this specific time, 1:27:53.880 --> 1:27:55.760 go get in the cold tubs, go from there, go 1:27:55.760 --> 1:27:57.360 get a coffee at that Starbucks. Then you know that, 1:27:57.479 --> 1:27:59.320 get to the coffee, you go right to the stadium 1:27:59.320 --> 1:28:00.519 that I used to you like that. 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:02.120 But then one thing would happen. 1:28:02.120 --> 1:28:03.559 It would fuck me up, and then I would tell 1:28:03.600 --> 1:28:05.200 myself after the game, I like, oh, that's it's because 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:06.360 you messed up your deal. 1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:10.160 Yeah. I got over that at Duke. 1:28:10.400 --> 1:28:12.240 Like by the end of my Duke time, I was like, 1:28:12.800 --> 1:28:16.000 I'm my performance on the court is not because I 1:28:16.080 --> 1:28:18.280 made three out of four on the last spot of 1:28:18.320 --> 1:28:20.320 my routine and didn't make four out of four. Like, 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:22.160 I just got over that part of it. I think 1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:25.599 it was more about just like it was like, here's 1:28:25.640 --> 1:28:28.880 what I need to do to peak at seven oh 1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:33.080 seven or seven thirty seven when that all goes up 1:28:33.120 --> 1:28:34.760 and it's tipped, like, here's what I need to do 1:28:34.840 --> 1:28:37.200 to peak at that time. So it was that was 1:28:37.320 --> 1:28:39.639 what was what it was about. To besides the control 1:28:39.760 --> 1:28:42.200 was like there was a reason that I did everything. 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:44.800 It wasn't like, well I did tie my shoes a 1:28:44.800 --> 1:28:46.880 certain way and put on my clothes my jersey in 1:28:47.040 --> 1:28:48.160 a certain order. 1:28:48.240 --> 1:28:49.560 But it wasn't about superstitious. 1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:53.640 It was whatever. But it was like a few got 1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:56.560 a feel you have a thing? Do you have a precision? Yeah, 1:28:56.760 --> 1:29:00.280 not that I'm like thinking of, Like you know, I 1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:01.520 love a pregame latte. 1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:04.280 Yeah, But I wouldn't say it's like a superstition like 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:06.120 if I missed it, I would like think a certain way. 1:29:06.600 --> 1:29:09.720 I mean, what if somebody said that we don't have lattes, 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.519 We're just going to give you an espresso shot, Like. 1:29:12.439 --> 1:29:16.240 Oh, I'm good, you're not gonna sn't take it. So 1:29:16.280 --> 1:29:17.520 it's not about the caffeine. 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:19.400 No, no, no, it's not about the caffeine. It's just 1:29:19.439 --> 1:29:22.160 like the vibes going into the stadium. It's like about 1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:24.200 getting a latte's putting into the cup holder, it's turning 1:29:24.280 --> 1:29:27.320 up zz top, Sharp Dressed Man, Lagrange all this easy 1:29:27.360 --> 1:29:29.920 Top Cinderella Man by eminem a lot of like old 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:33.240 school bangers and like feeling good walking outware latte. 1:29:33.439 --> 1:29:35.759 What No, Cinderella Man. That's a banger. 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:37.479 You said its easy Top three times and all of 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:39.320 a sudden it Cinderella Man eminem. 1:29:40.800 --> 1:29:43.519 Ez time. Yeah, Sharp Dressed Man Lagrange. Yet. Yeah, Like 1:29:43.520 --> 1:29:44.760 Cinderella Man is another one. 1:29:44.800 --> 1:29:46.559 Like if if I'm feeling like I got to have 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:49.400 like a comeback game or a get back on track 1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:51.680 game in my head, I'm going to Cinderella Man when 1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:54.320 I'm walking inside, because to me, it's like I'm Cinderella Man. 1:29:54.320 --> 1:29:56.920 I'm the fucking underdog. All that kind of So, you. 1:29:56.880 --> 1:30:00.080 Know what, we're all telling ourselves our story. 1:30:00.240 --> 1:30:02.000 You're always telling yourself what you need to do. 1:30:02.320 --> 1:30:04.360 Yeah, that's kind of like I guess I think there's 1:30:04.400 --> 1:30:06.519 not is that because you listen to it one time 1:30:06.520 --> 1:30:08.320 before a game and you played well and then you're like, okay, 1:30:08.320 --> 1:30:09.120 that's my Yeah. 1:30:09.120 --> 1:30:12.160 Some of that yeah, yeah, like visualization, like running through 1:30:12.160 --> 1:30:15.000 the same reel in your head about like old plays 1:30:15.000 --> 1:30:17.160 that you've made, just to like see yourself do it 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:19.360 and feel this and feel that. Yeah, it's like a 1:30:19.439 --> 1:30:22.200 kind of like a routine like that, and then if 1:30:22.200 --> 1:30:23.639 you have a baller game, you're like, yeah, I gotta 1:30:23.680 --> 1:30:24.879 go back to that kind of routine. 1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:27.360 But if it throws off, I'm not Like flow states, 1:30:27.439 --> 1:30:29.200 it's like that's the wat. 1:30:29.840 --> 1:30:31.880 Talk about peak, getting to the peak, like hitting the 1:30:31.880 --> 1:30:34.920 peak at seven thirty seven? Yeah, what are the things 1:30:35.000 --> 1:30:36.800 I need to do to get into a flow state? 1:30:36.840 --> 1:30:38.160 Because as an athlete, like if you're not in the 1:30:38.200 --> 1:30:42.280 flow state, you're okay, maybe you're shitty, but you're not 1:30:42.439 --> 1:30:43.559 like the best version of. 1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:44.840 Yourself, right, You're in your own head a lot. 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:46.479 Yeah, it's also one of the most difficult things to 1:30:46.520 --> 1:30:49.360 achieve is the flow state. Just be like nothing else 1:30:49.360 --> 1:30:50.920 mana as you're so present right now, you're thinking about 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:51.400 anything else. 1:30:51.520 --> 1:30:52.760 Yeah, Yeah, for sure. 1:30:53.040 --> 1:30:55.320 One time in Tampa is like before the fourth preseason games, 1:30:55.320 --> 1:30:57.400 the first time I made the team out right, So 1:30:57.760 --> 1:31:00.559 I was in my second year, went through preseason anxieties 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:02.559 at a ten because I'm like, this is it, Like 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:06.880 I gotta make the fucking team? Yeah, And uh, I 1:31:06.920 --> 1:31:09.439 had I had, I had ice cream before the game. 1:31:09.479 --> 1:31:11.479 The night before the game, I made myself up with 1:31:11.560 --> 1:31:14.519 ice cream M and MS had some caramels and fudge 1:31:14.520 --> 1:31:17.840 on that thing. And the boy ball like the boy 1:31:17.840 --> 1:31:20.280 played well, you gotta let the team and tackles that game. 1:31:20.880 --> 1:31:24.320 The boy the boy Yeah, And so sometimes. 1:31:23.880 --> 1:31:27.640 Like that would be my reason for having like I 1:31:27.640 --> 1:31:29.920 I literally think back to myself, I'm like, it puts 1:31:29.960 --> 1:31:32.200 me in like, uh, puts me in a good mood. 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:33.720 Obviously, some ice cream puts anybody in. 1:31:33.720 --> 1:31:36.320 A good but like if everybody's like, why you eat 1:31:36.320 --> 1:31:38.519 that the night before a game, you just worry about yourself. 1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:42.000 You just yourself. There are dudes there everyone. 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:43.920 I don't know every team you've been on, but Tians 1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:46.400 have a Sunday station every night before a game. 1:31:46.439 --> 1:31:48.880 You're like, why the fuck is that out there? That 1:31:49.000 --> 1:31:50.760 makes sense to me. It's like, what are we doing 1:31:50.800 --> 1:31:54.240 here with this this thing? I feel you guys can agree. 1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:57.360 But when we go back to the flow state thing, 1:31:57.400 --> 1:31:59.040 when you're in a flos, it's like the game goes 1:31:59.040 --> 1:32:02.040 by so fast and it's over. But there's other games 1:32:02.080 --> 1:32:03.920 where you're not like you're the opposite of flow state. 1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:06.439 Don't know what that is on flow state and you 1:32:06.520 --> 1:32:10.639 remember everything. Like we played Michigan, was playing Notre Dame. 1:32:10.680 --> 1:32:12.000 It was a night game. When we came back, it 1:32:12.040 --> 1:32:14.559 was like hundred a minute forty two left in the game. 1:32:14.600 --> 1:32:17.400 There's like five scores or whatever. That's when Denard threw 1:32:17.439 --> 1:32:19.360 it in the back of the end zone. Yeah, and 1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:22.840 we won it Anti Flow Thank you. And me and 1:32:22.880 --> 1:32:25.160 my girlfriend who I was dating at the time, Me 1:32:25.240 --> 1:32:27.320 and the girls the at the time, like I cheated 1:32:27.360 --> 1:32:28.840 on her or she cheated. 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:31.800 On something happened like two days before it happened. I 1:32:31.920 --> 1:32:36.280 cheated on her. There was there was like a discover 1:32:36.400 --> 1:32:38.320 there's something was going on. But it was like it 1:32:38.360 --> 1:32:40.880 was during that game, and all I could think about 1:32:41.000 --> 1:32:42.040 was trying to get her back. 1:32:42.400 --> 1:32:44.519 And I played the entire game, and I played all right, 1:32:44.600 --> 1:32:48.600 played pretty good, decent, but like the whole game, I 1:32:48.680 --> 1:32:50.559 was not ever invested in that game. 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:52.439 I was just thinking, like, how do I make it 1:32:52.479 --> 1:32:55.040 up to this girl? Was she at the game? Probably 1:32:55.080 --> 1:32:56.840 it's one hundred and fifteen thousand, How can I tell 1:32:57.160 --> 1:32:57.320 I know? 1:32:57.520 --> 1:32:59.200 You know, because you know where your girl sits, and 1:32:59.200 --> 1:33:01.080 you feel like, no, I never knew anything like that 1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:02.639 where they're sitting. 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:04.920 No, I never I never had that, and not till 1:33:04.920 --> 1:33:06.519 I got not to think the NFL, where I knew 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:08.320 like people whe people were sitting. Yeah, and my dad 1:33:08.360 --> 1:33:10.320 would always sit and want a certain spot, always kind 1:33:10.320 --> 1:33:11.479 of look up at him every once in a while. 1:33:11.479 --> 1:33:14.000 But my girl, every every game my dad ever came to, 1:33:14.080 --> 1:33:17.000 even youth basketball, yeah, I'd always like find. 1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:19.599 Him, find him. You're the flow state part is like. 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:26.200 When you're not in that state, you're thinking about what 1:33:26.439 --> 1:33:29.760 just happened. So it's like that you're carrying something to 1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:32.360 the next play. And I always always be like, oh, 1:33:32.400 --> 1:33:34.799 should I had a turnover? Okay, that's like a tally. 1:33:35.840 --> 1:33:37.000 And then like I'd be like, all right, I made 1:33:37.000 --> 1:33:39.840 a shot. Okay, now we're even Oh I missed a shot. 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.360 You are teaching right now, Okay, I just had a 1:33:42.360 --> 1:33:45.080 good pass. That's like then all of a sudden, like 1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:47.679 what are you playing? You're not actually in the game. 1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:50.320 You're like doing this tallly in you in your head. Yeah, 1:33:50.360 --> 1:33:54.879 it's it was very detrimental to the the overall product 1:33:55.080 --> 1:33:56.679 that I was trying to put out on the court. 1:33:56.680 --> 1:33:58.200 There would be times where I'd be like so stressed 1:33:58.200 --> 1:34:00.760 out about games that I would do that on purpose, Yes, right, 1:34:00.760 --> 1:34:02.000 but okay, all you have to do is just play 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:03.720 well in this series and your player should be Okay, 1:34:03.760 --> 1:34:05.240 that was a good play. He could have been on 1:34:05.280 --> 1:34:07.200 that play, but like that won't be like a minus. 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:10.439 That'll because I made that good play on that yeah earlier. Well, no, 1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:12.360 that you you start playing the like a lot of 1:34:12.400 --> 1:34:15.080 times the way the greatest like minus zero plus zero 1:34:15.160 --> 1:34:15.599 did your job. 1:34:15.640 --> 1:34:16.519 Minus you didn't do your job. 1:34:16.560 --> 1:34:19.439 Plus you did something extra, something extra there, And so 1:34:19.479 --> 1:34:21.080 I like go and I have like a couple of 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:23.160 I have like zero across the board, one minus. 1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:23.320 And a plus. 1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:27.200 Bag I'm up and even like a plus to me 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:29.559 would be double what a minus was you know in 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:31.680 your head. But you're like playing this game so you 1:34:31.720 --> 1:34:34.160 can tell yourself I played good any way to tell 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:35.000 yourself I did well. 1:34:35.040 --> 1:34:36.800 What about the feeling of. 1:34:38.200 --> 1:34:41.679 Being in the arena, being on the field, on the court, whatever, 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:46.200 and just knowing that you're shit, like knowing that you 1:34:46.240 --> 1:34:49.719 are having September this year game of your life. 1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:51.960 Oh yeah, we and unfortunately we were all at. 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:54.000 And you're like, well, you can't escape it, and you 1:34:54.040 --> 1:34:58.400 feel like everybody knows that you're ship. Everybody knows you're terrible. 1:34:58.720 --> 1:35:02.760 What game was that? Worst fucking feeling as an Athletetember. 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:04.920 Twelve, twenty twenty one. I so I tore my ACL 1:35:04.960 --> 1:35:06.280 in October. 1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:14.280 Of twenty twenty. I'll have the four right so, and 1:35:14.320 --> 1:35:15.759 in my head, I'm like, come back season. 1:35:15.800 --> 1:35:17.680 I'm with the boys, all these all these guys the 1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:19.720 whole year, telling like, hey, this would be a comeback here. 1:35:19.760 --> 1:35:22.759 I feel great, I feel amazing, and I wasn't feeling 1:35:22.880 --> 1:35:25.559 the best. I go into camp and I'm like, no 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:27.439 matter what is this better not be the film I 1:35:27.439 --> 1:35:31.200 want to see right now? Roll the tape. I'm like, 1:35:32.240 --> 1:35:33.760 I'm like, I have to start. I have to start 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:35.519 a half to start. I go out to play. They 1:35:35.560 --> 1:35:39.160 announced the offense. I'm fucking women, crowds going wild. I 1:35:39.200 --> 1:35:41.439 gave up two sacks in that game got dusted. Well, 1:35:41.439 --> 1:35:44.080 that's challeng Jones getting five sacks. This dude, Chileng Jones 1:35:44.120 --> 1:35:46.120 fifty five. He had five sacks in this game. I 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:47.760 gave up two to him. This is me right here. 1:35:49.439 --> 1:35:51.400 But it feels like within the first three series, there's 1:35:51.439 --> 1:35:53.360 there's some there's this is the next. 1:35:53.200 --> 1:35:57.960 Series, this is the next series no chance, So I stop, stop, stop, stop. 1:35:58.320 --> 1:36:00.000 So at this point I've given up two. 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:04.120 It's the first fucking quarter still, and I'm like, I've 1:36:04.120 --> 1:36:05.760 never done that in my life. That's never happened to 1:36:05.840 --> 1:36:08.880 me ever in my entire life. We're in the first 1:36:08.960 --> 1:36:12.360 quarter of four. I'm having a horrible game, Like there's 1:36:12.360 --> 1:36:14.519 no way to come back from it. It's got and 1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:16.120 it just the rest of the game just got worse 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:17.799 and worse and worse. I'd be seen on the sideline 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:21.360 and like, you just feel like everyone's looking at you. 1:36:21.400 --> 1:36:23.320 I went and got an IV because I was cramping. 1:36:23.439 --> 1:36:25.200 Thank God, that's what this sack is. Go you can 1:36:25.240 --> 1:36:28.400 go back this sec This is a Kendall getting beat 1:36:28.439 --> 1:36:30.760 for a sack. I go back into the game. I 1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:33.080 played the Tennessee Times my whole entire career. I go 1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:35.679 back into the game, and what do they say, Uh, 1:36:36.439 --> 1:36:39.000 the announcer love, the guy's name is Matt did a 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:39.840 real fucked up movie. 1:36:39.880 --> 1:36:40.200 Go Tail. 1:36:40.240 --> 1:36:42.680 Lajuana's back in the game. The whole stadium, not the 1:36:42.680 --> 1:36:45.280 whole sam but the stadium starts booing and I'm. 1:36:45.160 --> 1:36:47.880 Just like, Will, Yeah, Will, I saw Will up there. 1:36:48.120 --> 1:36:50.080 Me and his wife are in the suite just fucking booming. 1:36:50.120 --> 1:36:52.000 Oh yeah, it was, dude. 1:36:52.080 --> 1:36:55.679 It was the worst, the worst feeling in the entire 1:36:55.680 --> 1:36:59.519 world as an offensive lineman. Would you get a penalty? 1:37:00.120 --> 1:37:01.040 What's going through your brain? 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:02.360 O care? Same thing? No? 1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:04.840 No, hey, no, old man in the three We're in 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:06.439 the Old Man in the three podcasts right now he's 1:37:06.439 --> 1:37:07.160 potting you up. 1:37:08.400 --> 1:37:11.559 Well yeah, okay, go ahead, you know what. You guys 1:37:11.560 --> 1:37:12.720 have the four. You guys have the four. 1:37:13.120 --> 1:37:14.880 I was gonna say, what's the worst moment, what's the 1:37:14.880 --> 1:37:16.479 worst what's that situation for you? 1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:25.360 Game one, twenty nineteen playoffs against the Nets. I was 1:37:25.400 --> 1:37:29.519 some shit and they kept targeting me and isoing me, 1:37:30.200 --> 1:37:34.879 and I fouled out with like four minutes ago, my blessing, 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:35.880 Did you foul out? 1:37:35.880 --> 1:37:37.240 You're like, yeah, I'm gonna try and foul out. 1:37:37.400 --> 1:37:39.200 No, I was able to foul out of the Cardinals game. 1:37:39.200 --> 1:37:41.920 I would have it is a little bit of blessing, 1:37:41.960 --> 1:37:43.760 you know what I mean? Yeah, this is the great 1:37:43.760 --> 1:37:45.759 thing about basketball. You have other players. They can produce, 1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:47.960 so like if you're having a shit game, sometimes they'll 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:49.720 just be like, all right, we're gonna relieve him of 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:52.040 his duties and we're gonna go with the other guy. 1:37:52.120 --> 1:37:56.760 He's getting getting benched, Yeah, getting benched. Yeah, just foll out, 1:37:57.200 --> 1:37:57.639 thank god. 1:37:57.760 --> 1:38:01.320 But yeah. Uh and then D'Angelo Russell waved me off 1:38:01.320 --> 1:38:03.000 the floor. He drew the sixth file. He waved me 1:38:03.000 --> 1:38:03.439 off the floor. 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:05.120 And as I'm walking off the floor, yeah, I was 1:38:05.120 --> 1:38:07.759 playing in Philly, the whole Philly. You know, the crowd 1:38:07.840 --> 1:38:11.200 is booing me. Yeah, which there insane thing. Yeah, and 1:38:11.800 --> 1:38:13.600 like that was that was a low point for me. 1:38:13.760 --> 1:38:17.679 That was a low point. You know. The other part 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:19.880 was like playing with Chris, and I love Chris, but 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:24.599 like he demands so much of his teammates, and there 1:38:24.600 --> 1:38:27.280 were games where like I would not play well and 1:38:27.360 --> 1:38:31.080 I would feel like this overwhelming sense that I let 1:38:31.160 --> 1:38:33.719 him down, you know, that I didn't I didn't reach 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:37.479 his level that night, and that that probably hurts more 1:38:37.520 --> 1:38:40.200 than like getting booed by a crowd, right, because it's 1:38:40.360 --> 1:38:42.960 to me, it was always about like am I accountable 1:38:42.960 --> 1:38:44.800 to my teammates? If I'm accountable to my teammates, like 1:38:44.800 --> 1:38:45.720 fuck everybody else, you. 1:38:45.720 --> 1:38:48.559 Know what I mean. So that probably those those moments 1:38:48.600 --> 1:38:51.799 probably were worse. Yeah, they're the worse. It's the whole. 1:38:53.840 --> 1:38:59.559 Two thousand I'd say two thousand and sixteen Thanksgiving game 1:38:59.760 --> 1:39:02.120 for the Dallas Cowboys. Like I've talked about it before 1:39:02.160 --> 1:39:03.680 on here, but when I missed two tackles in a 1:39:03.840 --> 1:39:07.639 row on Ezekiel Elliott. And not only that, but Dak 1:39:07.680 --> 1:39:10.000 would check at the line of scrimmage and. 1:39:11.360 --> 1:39:13.000 I knew, like what the run plays were. 1:39:14.280 --> 1:39:16.080 He'd be like, he'd like step back and be like 1:39:16.280 --> 1:39:18.920 whether it be like Pope or Giant, Like I would 1:39:19.080 --> 1:39:23.600 know what plays were coming and what they were chee copies. Yeah, 1:39:23.640 --> 1:39:26.360 And I would know what the play is and tell people. 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:29.080 And fucking he broke a tackle from me, I like 1:39:29.200 --> 1:39:32.040 leave my feet diving off the diving board. And the 1:39:32.120 --> 1:39:34.720 second miss tackle. The first one was in my head 1:39:34.760 --> 1:39:36.960 and I'm thinking, don't miss his tackle. And you know 1:39:37.160 --> 1:39:39.559 that that usually never works out for you. Universe doesn't 1:39:39.560 --> 1:39:40.080 hear negatives? 1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:41.800 Yeah, And then they come there. 1:39:41.800 --> 1:39:44.439 It is right there, right fucking there, dude, And it 1:39:44.520 --> 1:39:45.400 was a big back. 1:39:45.240 --> 1:39:48.360 Go back. They drive, they drive all the way down again. 1:39:48.720 --> 1:39:50.960 I want him to hurt like I did earlier. They 1:39:51.080 --> 1:39:52.000 they drive all. 1:39:51.840 --> 1:39:53.680 The way down and score and we get to the 1:39:53.720 --> 1:39:55.960 sideline and I'm sitting on the bench and those are 1:39:56.040 --> 1:39:59.760 that's the time for me when I yeah, I really 1:40:00.160 --> 1:40:02.240 for you, yeah, I mean he had a hand on 1:40:02.280 --> 1:40:02.519 me too. 1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:04.599 And then he does the fuck heating, which, by the way, 1:40:04.680 --> 1:40:07.280 is he Elliott stole that from dond Robinson. And then 1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:09.840 they score and I go to the soul whole your 1:40:09.880 --> 1:40:13.439 effort did not look great. Right there, that's a minus. 1:40:13.640 --> 1:40:14.240 That's a minus. 1:40:14.400 --> 1:40:16.519 I looked like as right there, Yeah, yeah, we can 1:40:16.560 --> 1:40:17.320 go ahead and say that. 1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:20.760 And I'm sitting on the sideline and I'm wondering. I'm like, man, 1:40:20.800 --> 1:40:23.639 everybody like it's a Thanksgiving game. Everybody's watching the Cowboys 1:40:23.680 --> 1:40:26.439 play on Thanksgiving, yep. And I saw an articles like 1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:29.200 the most televised like football game that year and shit, 1:40:29.240 --> 1:40:31.200 and it's just I'm sitting there thinking like, well, I 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:32.960 wonder what people are saying about me on Twitter. That's 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:35.320 to me, that was a moment when I knew social 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:38.080 media and other stuff was consuming my mind more than 1:40:38.760 --> 1:40:40.840 you know, forget the last play, move to the next one. 1:40:41.000 --> 1:40:42.960 It was more like I can't miss this tackle because 1:40:42.960 --> 1:40:46.200 I'm on the big stage and everybody's gonna fucking think 1:40:46.240 --> 1:40:48.880 I'm trash or no, that I'm trash, and that game 1:40:49.000 --> 1:40:50.559 is one of those games you're like, man, just get 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:52.360 me fucking home and off the field. 1:40:52.520 --> 1:40:54.439 It's a weird thing. As terrible, it's a weird thing 1:40:54.479 --> 1:40:54.960 as an athlete. 1:40:54.960 --> 1:40:56.880 I don't know if you've ever felt this way of 1:40:57.240 --> 1:41:00.439 feeling like you've made it, like you're a star in 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:02.519 the NFL or you're a star in the NBA, and 1:41:02.560 --> 1:41:03.400 you think to yourself, Man, I. 1:41:03.400 --> 1:41:05.559 Hope I don't get exposed. Everyone knows I don't belong here. 1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:10.760 There's a feeling. Yes, yeah, that's normal. That is you 1:41:10.800 --> 1:41:13.880 felt that. Oh yeah, that's normal. Okay, most I think 1:41:15.000 --> 1:41:17.960 most well it's years of therapy. Yeah, but I love that. 1:41:18.120 --> 1:41:21.360 No, but it's it's I think most high achievers and anything. 1:41:21.760 --> 1:41:24.120 If you asked, I don't know what the percentage is, 1:41:24.160 --> 1:41:29.920 but be a large percentage of actors, actresses, musicians, professors, 1:41:29.960 --> 1:41:33.840 like like, unless you're a narcissist like that has like 1:41:34.200 --> 1:41:37.280 delusions of grander like you, you really do think at 1:41:37.280 --> 1:41:38.880 times like I'm gonna be exposed. 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:41.559 I'm going to be exposed as a fraud. That sucks. 1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:43.680 It almost be better to be a narcissist. Honestly, it 1:41:43.720 --> 1:41:45.400 sounds like it sounds like a nice deal, like you 1:41:45.439 --> 1:41:46.000 just don't know. 1:41:46.640 --> 1:41:49.639 I agree with you that way. Yeah, like imence ignorance. 1:41:49.680 --> 1:41:52.000 I was, Yeah, super, I'm not I'm that dude. 1:41:52.000 --> 1:41:53.879 Everyone's like, no, you're not, You're like you guys are haters. 1:41:54.320 --> 1:41:58.960 But it's just fucking your narcissist. I gotta become a 1:41:59.040 --> 1:42:04.439 narcissist twenty twenty too, shit urcissis Taylor. Yeah, let's go. Hey, 1:42:04.479 --> 1:42:06.479 I do want to ask about your therapy. Do you 1:42:06.479 --> 1:42:11.559 feel like the therapy stuff is where that started to 1:42:11.600 --> 1:42:14.840 help you make your shift mentally in basketball? Like what 1:42:14.880 --> 1:42:18.799 did you learn from therapy about yourself that was holding 1:42:18.880 --> 1:42:19.400 you back? 1:42:20.880 --> 1:42:21.759 It's a great question. 1:42:21.800 --> 1:42:27.400 I think I I I learned, I learned who I was. 1:42:27.760 --> 1:42:31.840 I think I became more comfortable with who I was. 1:42:32.640 --> 1:42:35.760 And do ever, you guys ever take personality tests? Yeah, 1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:38.519 with the enneagram or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:42:38.520 --> 1:42:41.080 so you know I've done. I did a bunch of 1:42:41.120 --> 1:42:43.080 college I did him in the NBA. I took one recently. 1:42:43.120 --> 1:42:46.799 My wife would me take one recently? And like fifteen 1:42:47.280 --> 1:42:50.120 twenty years ago, if I'd taken one, like on the 1:42:50.240 --> 1:42:54.320 introverted extroverted scale scale, I would be like ninety five 1:42:54.400 --> 1:42:59.240 percent introverted, and if I took one now, like i'd 1:42:59.280 --> 1:43:03.080 be like fifty six introverted. So I'm still introverted, but 1:43:03.160 --> 1:43:06.240 I like have gotten enough comfortable enough with who I 1:43:06.280 --> 1:43:09.719 am and myself and enough confidence and like the person, 1:43:09.840 --> 1:43:14.000 not the player, but the person. Because I was confident 1:43:14.000 --> 1:43:17.439 as a person, I could navigate NBA locker rooms, I 1:43:17.479 --> 1:43:19.960 could be a great teammate, I could be liaison between 1:43:19.960 --> 1:43:24.240 the coach and the player. It helped me on the court, 1:43:24.439 --> 1:43:26.760 you know, I'm just like I think it gave me 1:43:26.800 --> 1:43:29.080 a sense of perspective about who I was and my 1:43:29.200 --> 1:43:34.280 value as a human being. Again, it's like I'm nineteen 1:43:34.520 --> 1:43:38.000 and everybody's like, fuck you. You know, you drink your 1:43:38.040 --> 1:43:41.800 own pea. The best T shirt I ever saw was 1:43:41.840 --> 1:43:44.599 I was at Maryland my sophomore year and these guys 1:43:44.600 --> 1:43:46.400 had these white T shirts done and my picture was 1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:48.200 on the front. So I went a little closer to 1:43:48.439 --> 1:43:50.320 see what it said. And on the front it said 1:43:51.800 --> 1:43:53.000 when I grew up, I want to name my kid 1:43:53.080 --> 1:43:55.160 JJ Reddick. And so when I got close enough, they 1:43:55.280 --> 1:43:57.240 turned around so that I could see what was written 1:43:57.240 --> 1:43:59.080 on the back, and it said and beat him every day, 1:43:59.720 --> 1:44:06.479 which you know, that's savage, savage right, So like here again, 1:44:06.520 --> 1:44:08.920 I'm nineteen, I'm like, fuck, dude, you know so I 1:44:09.160 --> 1:44:10.160 think you drinks. 1:44:10.800 --> 1:44:12.600 No, I never have. I never have. But it was 1:44:12.640 --> 1:44:13.760 a very clever. 1:44:15.880 --> 1:44:18.760 So it was I think it was like becoming like 1:44:18.880 --> 1:44:22.360 just just confident, like it's not it's I don't think 1:44:22.400 --> 1:44:26.080 it's egotistical to be like sure of yourself, you know 1:44:26.120 --> 1:44:28.960 what I mean. You could still be sure of yourself 1:44:29.000 --> 1:44:31.000 and be self aware enough to know when you're wrong, 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:33.720 know when you fucked up, to know that it's not 1:44:33.760 --> 1:44:35.840 all about you, Like my dad. That was the greatest 1:44:35.840 --> 1:44:37.000 piece of advice I've ever got in my life. 1:44:37.040 --> 1:44:37.400 You tell me that. 1:44:37.400 --> 1:44:41.000 Every day as a kid, I'd complain about something like JJ, 1:44:41.240 --> 1:44:44.240 it's not always about you, not always about you. That 1:44:44.360 --> 1:44:46.840 helped me, you know, is a is a as a 1:44:46.880 --> 1:44:49.400 basketball player on a team sport. It helped me help 1:44:49.439 --> 1:44:51.439 me navigate everything. But I think I think that's what 1:44:51.479 --> 1:44:54.160 it came down. That's that's that's the real benefit later 1:44:54.240 --> 1:44:57.840 on in life, you know, as I became confident who 1:44:57.920 --> 1:45:01.720 I was, I I We'll see I've seen a therapist that 1:45:02.040 --> 1:45:04.519 lives on the West Coast and comes into New York 1:45:05.720 --> 1:45:07.040 like once a month, and I talked to him on 1:45:07.080 --> 1:45:10.360 the phone. But you know that more is like almost 1:45:10.360 --> 1:45:12.880 performance coaching, you know what I mean by that, Like, 1:45:12.960 --> 1:45:15.479 and he was the guy along with my wife really 1:45:15.800 --> 1:45:17.559 you know, but he kind of helped me get that 1:45:17.640 --> 1:45:20.360 last one percent to retire. It was like, but ninety 1:45:20.400 --> 1:45:22.040 nine percent of the way there for like a year. 1:45:22.479 --> 1:45:23.840 It was such a hard thing to let go of. 1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:26.840 And so him and I like met a couple of times. 1:45:26.960 --> 1:45:30.200 We did a bunch of these like time value proposition exercises, 1:45:30.240 --> 1:45:32.840 and we worked through some things why I want to play, 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:36.840 why I don't want to play, And by the end 1:45:36.880 --> 1:45:39.240 of the second meeting, it was like, oh dude, it's 1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:41.720 crystal clear, like it's not even as not even a 1:45:41.800 --> 1:45:43.880 question about whether or not I should retire. I should retire, 1:45:44.200 --> 1:45:47.240 Like it's it's time, and I was very comfortable with 1:45:47.320 --> 1:45:47.720 doing it. 1:45:48.600 --> 1:45:49.439 So damn. 1:45:50.400 --> 1:45:52.599 Yeah, have you guys you guys don't you guys aren't 1:45:53.120 --> 1:45:53.679 in therapy? 1:45:53.840 --> 1:45:55.639 See therapists? Oh yeah, I see therapist every week. 1:45:55.680 --> 1:45:55.840 Yeah. 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:56.360 Absolutely. 1:45:56.680 --> 1:45:59.719 I first started doing couples therapy before we got married, 1:46:00.080 --> 1:46:02.040 and then we like fell in love with the whole 1:46:02.040 --> 1:46:05.160 therapy aspect, like emotional intelligence, all that stuff, Like I'm 1:46:05.560 --> 1:46:07.400 I like love like looking into that stuff because I 1:46:07.400 --> 1:46:10.880 feel like you're psyche. It's like everything right, like losing 1:46:10.880 --> 1:46:12.920 control of yourself in a moment, like figuring out like 1:46:12.960 --> 1:46:14.040 why am I reacting to this? 1:46:14.160 --> 1:46:14.720 Or why am I. 1:46:14.680 --> 1:46:18.280 Getting upset or losing control? Or what am I scared of? 1:46:18.360 --> 1:46:22.200 Like being in therapy and actually talking about like it's 1:46:22.240 --> 1:46:24.200 like it's like you get the dead ends, like when 1:46:24.200 --> 1:46:26.320 you're in conversations with friends or buddies or something else 1:46:26.360 --> 1:46:29.320 and you don't nearly you don't nearly go as far 1:46:29.360 --> 1:46:31.160 as what you would in therapy, like there's nowhere to 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:33.360 go and you're in a safe place, and then they 1:46:33.360 --> 1:46:36.120 ask those extra questions that actually get you talking about 1:46:36.439 --> 1:46:39.760 like the underlying thing that like breaks you, and then 1:46:39.800 --> 1:46:42.240 you're in tears for whatever reason, and then you come 1:46:42.240 --> 1:46:43.519 out of it and you're like, you know, you start 1:46:43.600 --> 1:46:44.880 learning about yourself a lot more. 1:46:44.920 --> 1:46:46.800 So, I'm glad that I'm glad that this is a 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:49.519 safe space for us space. 1:46:49.560 --> 1:46:51.880 It's definitely a safe space. You work with what's the 1:46:51.920 --> 1:46:52.320 dow's name. 1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:53.439 You work with Armando. 1:46:53.720 --> 1:46:56.800 Armando at least part of cheat code, and it's like 1:46:56.840 --> 1:46:59.320 supposed to do a bunch of things he does, like 1:46:59.360 --> 1:47:01.880 a sound way and different songs and stuff like that, 1:47:01.920 --> 1:47:03.759 and you put those on. He talks you through stuff, 1:47:03.760 --> 1:47:06.639 and it's pretty cool because you talk about what's what's 1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:08.639 bothering you in this moment. It's like a present feeling, 1:47:08.680 --> 1:47:11.280 like what's what's the he that's bothering me the most? 1:47:11.320 --> 1:47:13.080 And he'll be like, all right, look forward, like how 1:47:13.080 --> 1:47:14.920 do you feel when you look forward and think about it? 1:47:14.920 --> 1:47:16.080 You're like, well, I feel this way. And then you 1:47:16.080 --> 1:47:18.400 look right and look left and you're really present. You 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:20.960 can notice like when you look whether it's right or 1:47:21.040 --> 1:47:25.240 left or middle, like some areas feel worse or better 1:47:25.280 --> 1:47:27.880 than others, so whatever's worse. He'll be like, all right, 1:47:27.920 --> 1:47:30.160 let's start there, or sometimes we'll start what's better, and 1:47:30.200 --> 1:47:32.000 then you just work through He's all right, now fixate 1:47:32.040 --> 1:47:35.080 on a spot, and then every sixty seconds, but like, 1:47:35.080 --> 1:47:36.840 what are you thinking about right now? And then he 1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:39.800 you start talking to him, and then at one point 1:47:39.840 --> 1:47:42.439 while you're talking, it'll be rambling him like stop stop 1:47:42.520 --> 1:47:44.000 right there and go with that, and then you just 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:46.799 kind of keep working through it. And I'd say majority 1:47:46.800 --> 1:47:49.040 of the times ends in tears because you're just trying 1:47:49.040 --> 1:47:50.559 to Yeah, you're just trying to figure out You're trying 1:47:50.560 --> 1:47:53.400 to figure out, you know, why do I you do 1:47:53.520 --> 1:47:56.360 certain things so that other people approve of you when 1:47:56.360 --> 1:47:57.599 you can't just approve yourself? 1:47:57.720 --> 1:48:00.799 Like what is that from from being a child or whatever? 1:48:00.840 --> 1:48:03.120 And like how do you get to a point where 1:48:03.120 --> 1:48:05.479 you're the only ones trying to person to yourself? And 1:48:05.520 --> 1:48:07.439 it's just it's like you said, like the whole growth 1:48:07.439 --> 1:48:11.800 thing is it's super It's the most important thing. It's 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:13.559 probably it's the most important thing as a human to do. 1:48:13.640 --> 1:48:15.719 And we talk about reading, like we're both like trying. 1:48:15.560 --> 1:48:18.360 To read more. And when I got to read, I'm. 1:48:18.200 --> 1:48:21.280 Like to look at a fiction book like a book 1:48:21.320 --> 1:48:23.519 that's not real. It's not a self help of Like 1:48:24.120 --> 1:48:25.680 it's so hard for me to go and read that 1:48:25.720 --> 1:48:27.800 because I could go find something that's going to help 1:48:27.840 --> 1:48:30.680 me like be a better person, you know. And so 1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:33.479 that's that's something definitely, And it's like you said all 1:48:33.479 --> 1:48:36.200 the time, it's the most important thing, like with whether 1:48:36.240 --> 1:48:40.080 it's sports, being a father, being a husband, all that stuff. 1:48:40.720 --> 1:48:43.479 On the emotional intelligence, he's doing it again, No, I 1:48:43.600 --> 1:48:45.320 was not a question. It was a comment to Will's 1:48:45.320 --> 1:48:46.800 comment is that, Okay, that's all right. 1:48:46.720 --> 1:48:49.040 Okay, carry immediately we started it. 1:48:50.280 --> 1:48:52.320 No, I would say this is a little bit of 1:48:52.360 --> 1:48:53.960 a call back to what we were talking about earlier 1:48:54.560 --> 1:48:56.639 about what will I ever be good at anything else? 1:48:56.960 --> 1:49:00.599 And I think what I realized at the end my career, 1:49:00.640 --> 1:49:02.559 and what I've realized over the last nine months is 1:49:02.640 --> 1:49:06.800 like when you develop that side of your personality and 1:49:06.960 --> 1:49:10.280 developed that side of your brain, you can fit anywhere. 1:49:10.960 --> 1:49:13.840 Being able to like what we do, what you guys 1:49:13.840 --> 1:49:15.439 have done for a long time, what I did for 1:49:15.479 --> 1:49:18.439 fifteen years and prior to that at Duke in high school, AAU, 1:49:18.520 --> 1:49:21.080 all that stuff, like what you do in a locker 1:49:21.120 --> 1:49:25.320 room and being able to navigate that year in year out, 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:29.599 like that is building a skill set, and by building 1:49:29.600 --> 1:49:32.439 your emotional intelligence, like you can fit anywhere, you could 1:49:32.479 --> 1:49:35.240 do anything. I really believe that I'm not going to 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:37.719 develop a rocket. It's going to take us to Mars. 1:49:38.040 --> 1:49:41.200 I'm not saying, but there's other like that that's like 1:49:41.240 --> 1:49:43.600 almost like a like a skill set that is overlooked. 1:49:43.600 --> 1:49:46.280 I think, yeah, i'd agree with you. Have you read 1:49:46.320 --> 1:49:48.360 an emotional intelligence two point zero? No? 1:49:48.479 --> 1:49:51.360 I haven't. Where do you get the emotional intelligence thing from. 1:49:51.400 --> 1:49:54.559 The first time I heard it was actually, uh is 1:49:54.600 --> 1:49:57.360 now become a good friend of mine. David Solomon who 1:49:57.439 --> 1:49:59.360 now runs Golden Sacks. I met him, he was not 1:49:59.400 --> 1:50:02.599 running Golden Sacks, was not the CEO. But yeah, it's 1:50:02.600 --> 1:50:03.320 a little flex. 1:50:03.400 --> 1:50:05.599 But no, but it was. It was like the first time. 1:50:05.920 --> 1:50:07.719 It was the first time I'd ever heard the phrase. 1:50:07.760 --> 1:50:10.240 I spoke at this This was like in twenty sixteen, 1:50:11.200 --> 1:50:14.799 I spoke on this panel at this retreat that Goldvin 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:16.880 Sachs was having for like tech and media CEOs. 1:50:16.880 --> 1:50:18.840 I have no idea why I was invited. I really 1:50:18.840 --> 1:50:19.599 truly don't know. 1:50:19.960 --> 1:50:22.479 But I spoke on this panel with Maverick Carter and 1:50:22.560 --> 1:50:28.280 Casey Wasserman and David and I spent some time together 1:50:28.360 --> 1:50:30.280 at the dinner that night, and it was the first 1:50:30.280 --> 1:50:32.360 time that he brought it. I was like, you, you 1:50:32.400 --> 1:50:35.680 have good emotional intelligence. You could you know, you can 1:50:35.720 --> 1:50:37.559 work on Wall Street if you want it. Like, oh, 1:50:37.640 --> 1:50:39.640 So then I like started reading about it, and then 1:50:39.680 --> 1:50:41.800 I started thinking about like how it relates to my 1:50:41.800 --> 1:50:44.120 own life, Like it's it goes back to like anything 1:50:44.160 --> 1:50:46.960 we do as an athlete, like our routine visualization, all 1:50:46.960 --> 1:50:49.360 that stuff. It's like it's like that constant flow state 1:50:49.800 --> 1:50:52.040 and so like being able to check in with yourself. 1:50:52.439 --> 1:50:54.080 What am I projecting on other people? What is that 1:50:54.120 --> 1:50:58.160 person projecting onto someone else? Like I'm constantly thinking about that, 1:50:58.240 --> 1:51:00.040 you know what I mean. 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Now we bring it into a segment where 1:52:39.360 --> 1:52:42.360 we rate things. Most notably recently has been the burger 1:52:42.400 --> 1:52:43.920 thing that's one out there a couple of times when 1:52:43.960 --> 1:52:45.439 we rate it in and out, which, by the way, 1:52:45.439 --> 1:52:47.760 what's your favorite fast food burger? I saw all that 1:52:47.920 --> 1:52:51.240 my favorite fast food burger? Man, it's definitely not in 1:52:51.280 --> 1:52:51.559 and out? 1:52:51.600 --> 1:52:54.800 Okay, cool, we need then the questions over the question 1:52:54.920 --> 1:52:57.439 is now over, Like it's fine. It's not like but 1:52:57.520 --> 1:53:00.400 you watch my thing and you're like, yeah, I totally 1:53:00.439 --> 1:53:01.080 co signed with you. 1:53:01.160 --> 1:53:07.000 I'm like, it's like, fine, dude, this is great. 1:53:07.000 --> 1:53:11.280 I'm having a blast. Okay, God, well talk about you know, 1:53:11.360 --> 1:53:16.360 let's see what his favorite fast food burger is. Uh. 1:53:16.600 --> 1:53:19.080 I'm actually I would probably say what a burger because 1:53:19.080 --> 1:53:21.519 I lived in Austin and that's probably like I think 1:53:21.560 --> 1:53:22.360 it's I think it's good. 1:53:22.479 --> 1:53:24.519 I don't what about are we are we like solid burger? 1:53:24.560 --> 1:53:26.679 Like are we doing like it's five guys fast food? 1:53:26.720 --> 1:53:29.400 Is that not fast food? That's that's a that's a 1:53:29.400 --> 1:53:32.320 big question people are saying right now. Yeah, because there's 1:53:32.320 --> 1:53:32.920 no drive. 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:35.920 Through, drive through, which I do, like, I understand. 1:53:35.520 --> 1:53:38.519 It's five guys, is more on the fast casual side 1:53:38.520 --> 1:53:39.120 like Chipotle. 1:53:39.240 --> 1:53:41.760 Basically, Oh, I don't even think a fast casual. It's 1:53:41.760 --> 1:53:43.879 the second time i've heard that. Charles said it about Shakeshack. 1:53:44.000 --> 1:53:47.200 She's like, Shakeshack, Like Shakeshack, I think is awesome. She's like, 1:53:47.200 --> 1:53:49.680 but it's a little more fast casual because yeah, it's not. 1:53:49.880 --> 1:53:50.680 There's no drive through. 1:53:50.680 --> 1:53:53.640 And I'm like, you fancy, yeah, yeah, you fancy you. 1:53:54.160 --> 1:53:55.920 Think the number one burger is because I'm sure you've 1:53:55.920 --> 1:53:59.080 talked about you guys, but that's not that's not fast food. 1:53:59.240 --> 1:54:02.599 Yeah, take okay, so just drive throughs. I bet you, 1:54:02.680 --> 1:54:04.120 I bet you men and out Burger makes it up. 1:54:04.160 --> 1:54:06.360 There doesn't. I was gonna say shake Shack, but shakes 1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:07.440 I mean Hartys. 1:54:07.960 --> 1:54:14.800 Wow, Okay, Yeah, Carl Parties is fire. What a burger 1:54:14.880 --> 1:54:16.639 is good? In and out is good. And I said, 1:54:17.120 --> 1:54:18.720 but you're thinking and out burger is better than what 1:54:18.760 --> 1:54:22.480 a burger? No, you know you're just saying. 1:54:22.960 --> 1:54:25.000 I'm lying. In and out burger is better than. 1:54:25.880 --> 1:54:28.240 In and out would be your number best fast burger. 1:54:28.880 --> 1:54:33.400 Carls Junior one in and Out too. I don't know, man, 1:54:33.960 --> 1:54:37.280 once five guys has taken out for you kind of falla. 1:54:36.680 --> 1:54:38.760 Because I think Shakeshack is good. Yeah, you kind of 1:54:38.760 --> 1:54:43.000 fall apart. Just a classy bitch, dude, you know what 1:54:43.000 --> 1:54:48.000 I'm saying. That's funny as all right. So basically, so 1:54:48.120 --> 1:54:48.840 tears dog go ahead. 1:54:49.120 --> 1:54:50.920 You rattled me, You rattled me. I'm not even thinking 1:54:50.920 --> 1:54:52.280 about that anymore. I'm trying to think of out fast 1:54:52.240 --> 1:54:54.160 because we just found out that everything really stilled themselves 1:54:54.160 --> 1:54:54.880 on the last two weeks. 1:54:54.880 --> 1:54:55.800 It's not anymore. 1:54:55.920 --> 1:54:58.520 I think the spicy ketchup is overrated at what a burger? 1:54:59.280 --> 1:55:02.560 Mm hmm okay, because because Texas are big on that 1:55:02.680 --> 1:55:05.360 perfect the whole the whole thing for me was coming 1:55:05.360 --> 1:55:07.040 from Missouri like you be in the locker rooms and 1:55:07.080 --> 1:55:08.720 when you travel like a Texas game or will you 1:55:08.760 --> 1:55:11.080 we go on the West Coast to play Arizona and 1:55:11.120 --> 1:55:13.000 the guys who are on your team or West Coast like, oh, 1:55:13.040 --> 1:55:14.800 we got to go to in and Out and dudes 1:55:14.920 --> 1:55:17.800 from Texas immediate argument in the locker about what a 1:55:17.800 --> 1:55:20.400 burger in and out? So I always look forward to 1:55:20.480 --> 1:55:23.480 going to these spots to try these both all these 1:55:23.520 --> 1:55:25.760 different burgers, and now that I've had them a few 1:55:25.760 --> 1:55:28.840 different times each, I do think I wanted to like 1:55:28.840 --> 1:55:31.200 what a burger more because again, I I'm more so 1:55:31.280 --> 1:55:33.160 like love to just argue against the West Coast people 1:55:33.160 --> 1:55:35.160 because they're so prideful about in and out Burger. 1:55:35.320 --> 1:55:36.880 But I would say in and out Burger is probably 1:55:36.880 --> 1:55:38.040 better burger than what a burger. 1:55:38.400 --> 1:55:40.320 Try fat burger too, Well, that's not all you drive 1:55:40.360 --> 1:55:42.160 through either, that's casual. 1:55:42.160 --> 1:55:42.960 Man, we learned something. 1:55:43.000 --> 1:55:45.360 Yeah, but on this tier talk, we're gonna be doing 1:55:45.480 --> 1:55:50.440 should we do pizza toppings or pizzas. 1:55:49.960 --> 1:55:53.720 To where you can combine certain toppings and the well, 1:55:53.760 --> 1:55:56.600 but some people like just a pepperoni pizza, riches pizza 1:55:56.880 --> 1:55:57.680 or like whatever. 1:55:57.760 --> 1:56:01.560 We're not the thing you can toppings themselves. 1:56:01.880 --> 1:56:04.120 Yeah, yeah, that'd be difficult too. I don't know where 1:56:04.120 --> 1:56:05.800 I'd stand on that, but I don't know where you 1:56:05.840 --> 1:56:08.320 stand if I had to rank the number one topping. 1:56:08.880 --> 1:56:10.760 That's what I'm saying, Like, are we gonna say if 1:56:10.560 --> 1:56:11.680 if Taylor. 1:56:11.400 --> 1:56:12.000 Says that show? 1:56:12.040 --> 1:56:14.920 I don't know how the tear talk were. 1:56:15.680 --> 1:56:19.120 I think it's best pizza. I think best pizza. Yeah, 1:56:19.120 --> 1:56:19.680 whatever is. 1:56:19.600 --> 1:56:23.000 Your best your number one favorite pizza tears. You know what, 1:56:23.120 --> 1:56:25.240 We'll do our three favorite pizzas and then you guys 1:56:25.280 --> 1:56:28.400 will tear it for us. No, what do you mean 1:56:28.560 --> 1:56:31.040 here for us? Because if we're doing tier talk, there's 1:56:31.080 --> 1:56:32.080 tier one, two, and three. 1:56:32.280 --> 1:56:32.520 Yeah. 1:56:32.560 --> 1:56:35.120 So JJ says my favorite pizza is X, and you 1:56:35.120 --> 1:56:37.320 say my favorite pizza is why, and I say my 1:56:37.360 --> 1:56:40.280 favorit pizza is Z. How are we gonna tear that? 1:56:40.360 --> 1:56:42.360 We can't because we'd always say that our pizza is 1:56:42.440 --> 1:56:43.320 number one. 1:56:43.440 --> 1:56:45.280 Right, But that's what we did with Bert with the 1:56:45.320 --> 1:56:46.040 fast food burger. 1:56:46.080 --> 1:56:48.520 We go one, two, three, like we quietly let JJ 1:56:48.600 --> 1:56:50.880 have the floor and he does this tier one through three. 1:56:50.920 --> 1:56:53.280 But if you're just making a pizza, there's no he's 1:56:53.280 --> 1:56:54.480 gonna make three pizza for us right now. 1:56:55.240 --> 1:56:56.680 Off the top of my head, I can go. Let's go, 1:56:56.800 --> 1:56:59.920 I feel like everyone. Yeah, I can say three pizzas. 1:57:00.120 --> 1:57:02.240 I'll figure out way say three pizza. You can go last, Taylor, 1:57:02.720 --> 1:57:03.920 you can go. I'm always going last. 1:57:04.000 --> 1:57:09.000 Now, JJ, you have the floor, All right's gonna go. 1:57:09.040 --> 1:57:11.560 I'm gonna go in an order of how I want 1:57:11.560 --> 1:57:13.680 to eat these pizzas. That makes sense. 1:57:14.160 --> 1:57:15.600 Well, I don't know a little bit. 1:57:15.640 --> 1:57:18.280 More so I like, if you go to a great 1:57:18.320 --> 1:57:23.560 pizza place like Luke Collie in Brooklyn, I would I 1:57:23.600 --> 1:57:25.640 would want to eat them in this order. Not the 1:57:25.840 --> 1:57:29.280 entire pizza. I'm not that glutinous, but maybe a slice 1:57:29.400 --> 1:57:31.680 or two of each. What I'm saying, gluatness is one 1:57:31.680 --> 1:57:36.240 of the seven deadly since I've been glad. I would 1:57:36.280 --> 1:57:40.120 start with two toppings that you guys don't actually have 1:57:40.160 --> 1:57:41.280 on this graphic here, which. 1:57:41.520 --> 1:57:43.240 Your number one? This is number one? 1:57:43.640 --> 1:57:45.120 I would say, this is my number one pizza, okay, 1:57:45.160 --> 1:57:48.720 number one, Like I just want like shallotts and hot peppers. 1:57:48.720 --> 1:57:51.280 Shallattes and hot peppers. Let's just let them have the floor, 1:57:51.640 --> 1:57:51.880 did it. 1:57:52.160 --> 1:57:54.760 Second pizza would be what I call a twin special, 1:57:54.880 --> 1:57:57.880 my wife's saired pizza along with her twin ago pepperoni, 1:57:58.640 --> 1:58:04.200 white onion, green pepper. And then for kind of like 1:58:04.240 --> 1:58:07.320 a dessert, I would go with ricotta sausage and maybe 1:58:07.320 --> 1:58:09.560 some some stage mm hmm. 1:58:18.000 --> 1:58:19.320 I fucked you guys up tonight. 1:58:19.640 --> 1:58:21.480 Yeah, I'll tell you why you did your chef special 1:58:21.560 --> 1:58:26.400 on us just now, so my man knows it's pizzas. 1:58:28.680 --> 1:58:28.920 Well. 1:58:28.960 --> 1:58:36.840 You have the floor, my tier one. You already laughing 1:58:36.920 --> 1:58:39.040 because I just feel like you just said some artistic 1:58:39.080 --> 1:58:41.000 ship and you're gonna go sausage. 1:58:43.360 --> 1:58:46.880 I mean, this is hard. 1:58:46.920 --> 1:58:48.760 My Tier one is very hard because there's a couple 1:58:48.760 --> 1:58:52.520 of pieces I'm thinking about. Well, either way, I got 1:58:52.520 --> 1:58:54.520 to decide this tier one. That's what the hard part is. 1:58:57.000 --> 1:59:00.520 But I think if I had to order a pizza, 1:59:02.800 --> 1:59:03.560 I think I'm gonna go. 1:59:08.720 --> 1:59:11.720 Wait, he texted me this last night, so he's he's 1:59:11.720 --> 1:59:12.760 had twenty four hours. 1:59:13.000 --> 1:59:15.080 I thought about the entire I thought about my one. 1:59:15.880 --> 1:59:17.800 I know exactly what I have it. 1:59:18.000 --> 1:59:21.160 I think I'm gonna go like a sweet heat where 1:59:21.200 --> 1:59:26.680 you got pepperoni halapao's. I love onions, so you can 1:59:26.720 --> 1:59:28.320 just throw onions on them. That's not really part of it. 1:59:28.360 --> 1:59:30.160 But I do love onions. But you throw like a 1:59:30.320 --> 1:59:32.320 uh you get the red pepper flakes, but you also 1:59:32.360 --> 1:59:33.480 drizzled honey over top. 1:59:34.280 --> 1:59:37.600 You drizzle honey honey. Yeah, some MIC's hot honey. Yeah. 1:59:37.680 --> 1:59:38.200 I like that. 1:59:38.880 --> 1:59:42.360 My number two is Hawaiian. That's what battle for my 1:59:42.440 --> 1:59:44.640 number one. I'm a big Hawaiian pizza guy. I believe 1:59:44.680 --> 1:59:47.320 in pineapples on pizza. I am pro pineapple on pizza. 1:59:47.720 --> 1:59:48.880 And my number three. 1:59:51.600 --> 1:59:52.680 Big CPK guy. 1:59:53.280 --> 1:59:56.120 I love supremes, I love meat lovers, but I think 1:59:56.200 --> 1:59:59.600 if I had to order, I would go pepperoni and bacon. 2:00:01.280 --> 2:00:04.200 My Tier three, M Taylor take it. 2:00:04.120 --> 2:00:12.680 From here, brother, Okay, My Tier three is gonna be 2:00:12.800 --> 2:00:18.640 very basic, extremely basic. It's gonna be your Neapolitan cheese pizza. 2:00:19.240 --> 2:00:21.680 I think you can't beat it. You got a little 2:00:21.720 --> 2:00:24.839 bit of garnish on there, you got your cheese, your sauce, 2:00:24.880 --> 2:00:27.680 and I think it's fantastic with the fluffy crust, it's 2:00:27.760 --> 2:00:28.520 it's outstanding. 2:00:29.240 --> 2:00:33.680 That's my Tier three. My Tier two is. 2:00:33.640 --> 2:00:36.440 Also the Hawaiian pizza, but with a spice. You gotta 2:00:36.480 --> 2:00:39.880 throw banana peppers on there or jalapinos. I like a 2:00:39.880 --> 2:00:41.360 little spice. 2:00:40.960 --> 2:00:43.600 I have the four. 2:00:45.040 --> 2:00:50.240 And number one is going to be I almost said 2:00:50.320 --> 2:00:52.520 yes when you said sopk because I'm a barbecue chicken 2:00:52.520 --> 2:00:59.240 pizza guy. That's my number one barbecue sauce chicken. Really yeah, 2:00:59.440 --> 2:01:02.200 a little on on there. I think it's out It's 2:01:02.240 --> 2:01:06.120 my favorite possible pizza I can make for myself. 2:01:06.920 --> 2:01:08.600 Barb cute chickens, Robert good chicken. 2:01:10.040 --> 2:01:13.920 Now that we're done, What the fuck was that, dude? Yeah? 2:01:13.920 --> 2:01:16.120 What did you say? What was your number one? Shallots 2:01:16.120 --> 2:01:20.120 and what shallots and Pepperoni's shallots? Shalots on pizza? It's 2:01:20.120 --> 2:01:23.000 a cheat coat. What's a shalat? A shalot is like 2:01:23.000 --> 2:01:25.839 like a little onion right between like a red onion garlic. 2:01:26.960 --> 2:01:28.760 I like garlic, Yeah, I like onions. 2:01:28.800 --> 2:01:31.080 I mean I like both those cook a little bit. 2:01:31.200 --> 2:01:36.000 Shallat and sheldon what uh? Hot peppers? Hot peppers? How 2:01:36.440 --> 2:01:37.960 some of those are like terrible and greases. I'm just 2:01:37.960 --> 2:01:39.920 thinking you're tier one. You're like, hey, JJ, what do 2:01:39.960 --> 2:01:41.960 you want to eat? They got someone with the shallots 2:01:41.960 --> 2:01:42.920 and not peppers on it. 2:01:43.040 --> 2:01:46.960 Here's the fuck man. I am not not a CPK hater. 2:01:47.040 --> 2:01:51.440 I think I think restaurants like CPK Chili's TJ Fridays 2:01:51.440 --> 2:01:54.320 like they have their place in America, and I respect them, 2:01:54.400 --> 2:01:56.800 and I've ate a lot of meals at places like that, 2:01:57.800 --> 2:01:58.560 But you're. 2:01:58.440 --> 2:01:58.960 Better than them. 2:01:58.960 --> 2:02:03.200 That question where you guys are eating pizza based on you, 2:02:03.200 --> 2:02:06.000 you guys saying Hawaiian pizza for both of you was 2:02:06.080 --> 2:02:06.680 number two? 2:02:07.040 --> 2:02:09.960 Fire and a barbecue chicken said number one. 2:02:10.400 --> 2:02:12.920 I think question that, I think you can't touch barbecue 2:02:12.960 --> 2:02:14.680 chicken pizza if you have the right barbecue sauce on it. 2:02:14.760 --> 2:02:18.080 Brother, that's the one thing, like I mean cheese to me, 2:02:18.160 --> 2:02:20.600 I was like, but everybody some people like like their 2:02:20.680 --> 2:02:21.240 cheese pizza. 2:02:21.320 --> 2:02:23.520 I don't want to sound like a coastal elite here. Yeah, 2:02:23.560 --> 2:02:25.280 but I'm gonna sound like a coastal elite. 2:02:25.360 --> 2:02:26.240 Yeah, not getting you. 2:02:26.560 --> 2:02:28.000 Like I live in New York. I live in Brooklyn. 2:02:28.080 --> 2:02:30.320 Brooklyn is the best pizza in the world. Like, the 2:02:30.400 --> 2:02:32.920 ship is discussed, what do you mean the ship that 2:02:32.920 --> 2:02:35.160 we're talking about? So you would need a sweet heat. 2:02:35.200 --> 2:02:36.880 I think you ragged it, like, oh that sounds pretty good. 2:02:36.960 --> 2:02:38.320 Yeah you said that, you actually did it. I think 2:02:38.360 --> 2:02:41.000 you said that so sweet heat sounded nice. 2:02:41.080 --> 2:02:43.760 Hawaiian pizzazza is fire, bro. 2:02:44.200 --> 2:02:46.080 Yeah, a coastal elite, you guys should just sit on 2:02:46.120 --> 2:02:48.160 the traditional ingredients and you guys just make the best 2:02:48.160 --> 2:02:48.880 pizza and that's it. 2:02:48.880 --> 2:02:50.520 That's how I think a coastal elite works. 2:02:51.480 --> 2:02:53.560 So I think by you doing by you doing some 2:02:53.640 --> 2:02:56.200 special like challottes and hot peppers, does that make you 2:02:56.240 --> 2:02:58.960 a coastal leaders? Make you use your you're just a 2:02:58.960 --> 2:03:00.920 little fluff ad your TJ fright us with some Fluff's 2:03:00.920 --> 2:03:02.760 what it sounds like to me, it's just what it 2:03:02.800 --> 2:03:03.280 sounds like. 2:03:04.000 --> 2:03:06.080 But I will agree on the barbecue chicken part. The 2:03:06.080 --> 2:03:07.240 barbecue chicken throws me off. 2:03:07.240 --> 2:03:09.880 Brokay, I'm not here to argue that part. I've gone 2:03:09.880 --> 2:03:11.720 downhill within an out burger. I've seen what the people 2:03:11.760 --> 2:03:13.120 have done. If Seal will stow to do to me, 2:03:13.320 --> 2:03:16.240 I think it's fucking ridiculous. Chicken pizza, honestly shameful of 2:03:16.280 --> 2:03:18.080 you guys to handle you yourself the way you have. 2:03:18.280 --> 2:03:19.760 I think it's fucking ridiculous. 2:03:20.040 --> 2:03:22.360 I think barbecue chicken pizza is the best pizza by 2:03:22.360 --> 2:03:23.280 cue chicken pizza. 2:03:23.480 --> 2:03:25.880 No, they wouldn't eat Barbie chicken pizza. We wouldn't feed that, 2:03:26.040 --> 2:03:28.440 y'all fucking up. We wouldn't feed that. You're fucking up 2:03:29.120 --> 2:03:29.880 you like a Barbie. 2:03:29.920 --> 2:03:30.280 My daughter? 2:03:30.320 --> 2:03:33.320 What's my daughter to mellow mushroom last Sunday? 2:03:34.560 --> 2:03:35.840 She wants to go back this, she wants to go 2:03:35.880 --> 2:03:38.520 back tonight. I probably go get one tonight. You know 2:03:38.520 --> 2:03:42.040 what I'm an order the Barbieae chicken pizza. Nope, hang on, no, 2:03:42.120 --> 2:03:43.160 I'm like go half and half now. 2:03:44.200 --> 2:03:45.720 Look wine is fucking goot. 2:03:45.640 --> 2:03:47.360 A little little heat on it? Right, Yeah, I'll put 2:03:47.400 --> 2:03:49.720 a little sweet heat on it. Absolutely, I did like 2:03:49.760 --> 2:03:50.839 the sweet heat vibe. 2:03:50.960 --> 2:03:52.800 You want to know where you get that pizza at? 2:03:52.960 --> 2:03:56.120 Go Ahead Midnight Oil. So if a fifty first, no free, 2:03:56.120 --> 2:03:58.000 shout us to Midnight Oil. But you go to Midnight 2:03:58.000 --> 2:03:59.960 Oil and you order a sweet heat pizza pizza from 2:04:00.040 --> 2:04:01.760 and I don't like that. Let him know the boy 2:04:01.800 --> 2:04:04.200 sent you. Okay, a little something in. 2:04:04.200 --> 2:04:06.960 There once you know I sent me and I wanted 2:04:07.000 --> 2:04:08.120 to just sweet hate pizza. 2:04:08.160 --> 2:04:12.200 Please, it's it's phenomenal. Really, are you here until tomorrow? Bad? 2:04:12.320 --> 2:04:17.400 Leave tonight? What time? Uh ship a little bit? Yeah, 2:04:17.440 --> 2:04:18.040 something like that. 2:04:18.200 --> 2:04:20.080 Yeah, okay, is this one of those show at seven 2:04:20.120 --> 2:04:21.959 thirty things? Are we getting there a couple of hours early. 2:04:23.200 --> 2:04:24.160 To my flight? Yeah? 2:04:24.160 --> 2:04:25.400 No, I don't get or I don't go to the 2:04:25.440 --> 2:04:27.640 airport early. Who does that? I'm not a But here's 2:04:27.680 --> 2:04:30.200 what we're trying to ask. Driving there to fly out 2:04:30.200 --> 2:04:32.400 at seven thirty? Are you getting there at an hour 2:04:32.520 --> 2:04:33.240 hour and a half before? 2:04:33.560 --> 2:04:35.600 But we're going through TSA. Are we're not going to tsay? Oh, 2:04:35.640 --> 2:04:36.600 I see what you're asking. 2:04:36.880 --> 2:04:38.920 I see what you're asking you guys flew me down 2:04:39.160 --> 2:04:41.120 like I'm like this this trip was not on me. 2:04:41.800 --> 2:04:43.520 Oh, he's right now, you know what he is, right, 2:04:43.800 --> 2:04:46.200 bar barstol Fleet, you're our first. 2:04:46.160 --> 2:04:48.280 Guest that we've flown down to be on us. Yeah, 2:04:48.280 --> 2:04:50.800 we've just started kind of doing that. You should ask 2:04:50.800 --> 2:04:52.240 for some money, probably would have gave it to you. 2:04:52.320 --> 2:04:54.600 Yeah, it's just my pleasure to be on the show. 2:04:54.640 --> 2:04:54.800 Man. 2:04:54.840 --> 2:04:57.320 I love that your show. No, I don't. I don't 2:04:57.320 --> 2:04:59.800 think I'm not a I'm not. I'm not that level it. Guys, 2:05:00.000 --> 2:05:02.840 you don't like barbecue chicken pizza. I don't like what 2:05:02.920 --> 2:05:04.760 we're talking about. Are we're not talking about we're not 2:05:04.760 --> 2:05:05.360 talking about. 2:05:05.160 --> 2:05:08.800 Talking about private jets? Yes, I last start too extreme 2:05:08.840 --> 2:05:10.840 right now to be doing that. I don't think barbecue 2:05:10.840 --> 2:05:13.360 pizza is trash. I just don't order it or I 2:05:13.440 --> 2:05:15.240 don like. To me, it's like, what are we doing? 2:05:15.480 --> 2:05:18.360 I felt that way about Supreme. It's really just staple. 2:05:18.400 --> 2:05:20.600 But for me, I'm like, all the extra shit on 2:05:20.600 --> 2:05:23.000 it yours and I said it was solid. 2:05:23.240 --> 2:05:26.800 You have Barbie Chicken, any Barbie CHICKI Chicken in the 2:05:26.840 --> 2:05:27.960 back there, Chicken b Ranch. 2:05:30.000 --> 2:05:32.000 It's number one by far, Like it's not even fucking 2:05:32.040 --> 2:05:37.640 close that Hobbin Aero cream Pie. Holy fuck dude. 2:05:37.720 --> 2:05:39.760 Yes see, that's where it kind of throws me off 2:05:39.760 --> 2:05:41.920 when he start talking aboutizzas, because there's like that's like 2:05:41.920 --> 2:05:45.160 a gourmet pizza, like five points is like Jack Brown's 2:05:45.160 --> 2:05:47.240 in a lot of ways with the burgers, Like you 2:05:47.280 --> 2:05:49.120 can't like just go like if I were to say 2:05:49.120 --> 2:05:52.040 to you, guys are like jalapenos, but the seeds carved 2:05:52.080 --> 2:05:55.160 out with cream cheese on on it. Also, it just 2:05:55.160 --> 2:05:57.839 doesn't make any sense to be able to explain that pizza. 2:05:57.880 --> 2:05:58.480 You know what I'm saying. 2:05:58.480 --> 2:06:01.280 I thought JJ's gonna explain something. Did I think he did? 2:06:01.320 --> 2:06:03.320 I still we need an interpret to figure out what 2:06:03.560 --> 2:06:05.440 you said? Yeah, what was the Yeah you said a 2:06:05.480 --> 2:06:06.240 little bit of stage. 2:06:06.240 --> 2:06:07.320 And that's where I was like, you. 2:06:07.320 --> 2:06:09.720 Guys have had like a fried sage leaf before, like 2:06:09.760 --> 2:06:11.800 a little bit of little fried sage leaf on the 2:06:11.840 --> 2:06:13.400 sausage in ricotta pizza. 2:06:13.520 --> 2:06:16.040 That does sound like white sauce. Like I look like 2:06:16.040 --> 2:06:20.040 a guy that had fried stage on my pizza in 2:06:20.080 --> 2:06:24.440 your life? You've never had fried sage? Did you have 2:06:24.480 --> 2:06:27.240 when you grew up? Fried stage? It's seven bucks? 2:06:27.320 --> 2:06:31.000 Is chicken expensive? It sounds expensive. It just sounds expensive 2:06:31.000 --> 2:06:33.960 to me, Like he's a very expensive place. 2:06:34.400 --> 2:06:36.640 Is it is? It must have been nice? But what 2:06:36.680 --> 2:06:40.000 was that? Why don't you move down in Nashville? What's up? Sorry? 2:06:40.040 --> 2:06:41.960 I go do what's question first? Well again, what was 2:06:42.000 --> 2:06:45.480 the dry I get you explained? What what about it? 2:06:45.600 --> 2:06:49.960 What was what were the toppings? What? Ricotta? Cheese, sausage 2:06:50.160 --> 2:06:52.160 and fried sage? See? 2:06:52.160 --> 2:06:54.640 I think table combo. It sounds like it's like a 2:06:54.720 --> 2:06:58.440 tasty pizza, for sure. But if we're just like ranking 2:06:58.440 --> 2:07:02.880 our pizzas, dude, and you're saying sage and racanon sausage. 2:07:02.640 --> 2:07:05.560 I actually the best thing I heard from both of 2:07:05.600 --> 2:07:07.840 you was just a classic Neapolitan cheese pizza. 2:07:07.880 --> 2:07:10.120 Honestly, I think that's well that's. 2:07:10.360 --> 2:07:12.040 Because I said garnish too. Did you hear I started 2:07:12.080 --> 2:07:16.000 sound fancy like you, I said garnish. So basically, what 2:07:16.080 --> 2:07:17.920 you just fucking said with all those fancy words is 2:07:17.920 --> 2:07:21.280 a sausage pizza with a little bit of age keys 2:07:21.280 --> 2:07:23.040 A sausage pizza. Toasted me that green ship on there 2:07:23.040 --> 2:07:24.520 as was what you said to the person on the counter. 2:07:25.840 --> 2:07:28.960 You like melow mushroom, though I do Melo pizza, I 2:07:29.280 --> 2:07:30.040 underrated pizza. 2:07:30.200 --> 2:07:33.280 I went my daughter to a birthday party last week, 2:07:33.600 --> 2:07:36.520 Chuck E Cheese. Don't fucking at me, dude, that Chuck 2:07:36.520 --> 2:07:39.320 E Cheese is low key fire Peter Harper Pizza. 2:07:39.360 --> 2:07:42.200 For those of you in the West, chuck e Cheese 2:07:42.240 --> 2:07:42.800 in a long time. 2:07:42.840 --> 2:07:45.000 So I'll when and I went. 2:07:44.920 --> 2:07:46.800 That, When and I went there, it was the pretty 2:07:46.840 --> 2:07:48.800 money grown up so we couldn't go to Chuck e Cheese, that's. 2:07:48.720 --> 2:07:53.120 Crazy, that's cray. We got the fried stage though. Huh, 2:07:54.600 --> 2:07:58.000 that's a lot of sausage and fried sage. 2:07:58.080 --> 2:08:00.400 He just said sausage and cheese pizza. 2:08:00.560 --> 2:08:02.480 I know he did, but he's also he's also like, 2:08:02.480 --> 2:08:04.480 the only thing you guys said good was the cheese pizza. 2:08:04.520 --> 2:08:07.440 And I'm thinking, like, bro stop anything like you didn't 2:08:07.480 --> 2:08:08.640 react and I said sweet heat. 2:08:09.200 --> 2:08:12.280 Yeah you did say that because I almost because when 2:08:12.320 --> 2:08:14.040 you said that's well, I almost said, hey, we don't 2:08:14.080 --> 2:08:14.560 react here. 2:08:14.720 --> 2:08:16.640 We don't react on the tier talk, do you know. 2:08:16.920 --> 2:08:18.880 I know, trying to keep it. That's why I was 2:08:18.880 --> 2:08:20.720 holding it in while he was going, well picture when 2:08:20.720 --> 2:08:21.480 he said the sweet heat. 2:08:21.480 --> 2:08:24.360 I'm pictured. There's a there's a place called Emily in Brooklyn. 2:08:24.800 --> 2:08:27.160 It makes a great burger as well as guy, No, 2:08:27.160 --> 2:08:30.200 it's kidding, good water's better up there, man, Like, what 2:08:30.240 --> 2:08:32.600 do you want me to say the water's better for pizza? 2:08:32.800 --> 2:08:33.920 Why the bagels are so good? 2:08:34.000 --> 2:08:36.640 And bagels, but Emily has like a like a sweet 2:08:36.640 --> 2:08:39.360 heat pizza that basically is the description what you described. 2:08:39.400 --> 2:08:41.040 And they do a little MIC's hot honey on the 2:08:41.040 --> 2:08:42.840 top and you've had it and I've had it. Fire, 2:08:42.920 --> 2:08:44.680 it's fire. It's a good pizza. 2:08:44.800 --> 2:08:47.080 You just don't I think you don't agree with pineapple 2:08:47.080 --> 2:08:47.560 and pizza. 2:08:48.680 --> 2:08:51.360 No it sus I don't wake up, you know, well, 2:08:51.400 --> 2:08:53.600 who's the morning and be like I'm the things. I 2:08:53.600 --> 2:08:55.600 can't waitant people tonight and I want to put pineapple 2:08:55.600 --> 2:08:56.920 on it. Like that's just a weird thing to me. 2:08:56.960 --> 2:08:59.680 It's that mush mushrooms. Like I eat everything, but mushrooms. 2:08:59.680 --> 2:09:02.080 I can't. I can't touch. I can't touch mushrooms. 2:09:02.120 --> 2:09:02.520 Not for me. 2:09:03.280 --> 2:09:09.120 Now Italian truffles, I could hear. 2:09:10.800 --> 2:09:13.560 Whiplash. I'm turning looking at you so fast, dude. 2:09:13.960 --> 2:09:15.480 What was the second pizza you say, because you were 2:09:15.560 --> 2:09:17.080 kind of did it run like a run on sentence 2:09:17.080 --> 2:09:18.360 for the last special? 2:09:18.520 --> 2:09:22.480 Huh, twins special. It's just simple pepperoni, white onion, green pepper. 2:09:23.440 --> 2:09:25.080 We just got to start naming our shit cool so 2:09:25.120 --> 2:09:25.760 it sounds better. 2:09:25.880 --> 2:09:27.640 Yeah, he said white onion, like when he said when 2:09:27.680 --> 2:09:29.680 he said the way when you I'm saying even out there. 2:09:29.680 --> 2:09:31.600 When he was talking like that, I legit thought to myself, 2:09:31.640 --> 2:09:33.520 like we picked the wrong category. 2:09:34.160 --> 2:09:36.040 We're about to say sausage and ship. You know, we're 2:09:36.040 --> 2:09:37.800 about to say basic ship. I believed in what I 2:09:37.800 --> 2:09:39.720 was about to say. I stay, I stay in tantoed down. 2:09:39.960 --> 2:09:42.120 Yeah, but he said twins pizza, he said ricotta. He 2:09:42.160 --> 2:09:45.120 used the word ricotta, stayed cheese. 2:09:45.280 --> 2:09:47.120 And what's crazy is he been thinking about that since 2:09:47.200 --> 2:09:50.720 last night. Yeah, he's a homework guy. He's got fifteen 2:09:50.760 --> 2:09:53.720 pages on both of us. Forgot where I was from Instnia. 2:09:53.800 --> 2:09:55.800 I the only reason I thought of all those pizzas 2:09:55.840 --> 2:09:57.440 because when I saw the toppings, I was like. 2:09:57.360 --> 2:09:58.960 Oh shall it's not on there? Can I ask you 2:09:59.000 --> 2:09:59.400 a hard hit? 2:09:59.440 --> 2:10:02.360 Went back to the catalog in my brain. Can I 2:10:02.360 --> 2:10:04.640 ask you a hard hitting basketball question? Who's the greatest 2:10:04.680 --> 2:10:05.120 of all time? 2:10:06.800 --> 2:10:11.760 Man? Who's the goat? I like that second part question 2:10:12.040 --> 2:10:18.120 was Michael Jordan narcissist. I think it's like it's one A, 2:10:18.200 --> 2:10:19.840 one B to me. I don't I don't. I don't 2:10:19.880 --> 2:10:20.560 like that answer. 2:10:20.800 --> 2:10:24.840 I want you to take a strong one A Who's Ah. 2:10:25.800 --> 2:10:29.320 It's weird because Jordan is who I like, grew up watching, 2:10:31.600 --> 2:10:35.600 but then Lebron is who I played against, and it's 2:10:35.640 --> 2:10:38.760 hard for me to like pick either one. Kyle Korver 2:10:38.920 --> 2:10:42.480 once said to me, he's like, you know, like MJ. 2:10:42.920 --> 2:10:45.800 I know the accompliment. Accomplishments are great, but like MJ 2:10:45.880 --> 2:10:49.080 had to take two years off. So like the discredit 2:10:49.200 --> 2:10:52.720 Lebron gets for making eight straight finals, I think is 2:10:52.800 --> 2:10:56.680 kind of insane. So I'm I had to say it. 2:10:56.960 --> 2:10:59.760 I'm just gonna say Jordan one A that. 2:10:59.840 --> 2:11:01.600 Was your say answer because if you would have said Lebron, 2:11:01.600 --> 2:11:05.200 you'd got torched. Jordan is Jordan? Okay, Lebron's your two? 2:11:05.480 --> 2:11:09.840 Oh yeah yeah? What about Kobe? Great player? Great player? 2:11:10.000 --> 2:11:10.840 Oh you know what. 2:11:11.040 --> 2:11:14.000 Here's the here's the other thing I've learned, especially in 2:11:14.000 --> 2:11:16.560 the last year, is the you guys know what a 2:11:16.600 --> 2:11:20.560 stand is, right, yes, yes, okay, eminent callback. 2:11:21.880 --> 2:11:23.720 The song is incredible, too, incredible song. 2:11:24.720 --> 2:11:30.200 What I've realized is that certain players stands are fucking insane. 2:11:30.880 --> 2:11:34.680 On social media, and I said a bunch of nice 2:11:34.720 --> 2:11:38.600 things about Steph Curry the other day, And but the 2:11:38.680 --> 2:11:41.160 question was who do you want in the clutch? More 2:11:41.280 --> 2:11:43.160 Luca or Staph. I saw that, but I said in 2:11:43.160 --> 2:11:46.040 twenty twenty two, I said Luca. And the amount of 2:11:46.160 --> 2:11:48.160 hate that I got from the Steph stands. 2:11:48.160 --> 2:11:50.920 Do you think he deserved it? A little bit? Greatest 2:11:50.920 --> 2:11:51.680 shooter of all time? 2:11:52.760 --> 2:11:55.120 Again, that wasn't the question, though, game in the line, 2:11:55.120 --> 2:11:56.120 who do you want the ball in their hands? 2:11:56.160 --> 2:11:59.360 The question, yeah, exactly, And I said, Luca, who do 2:11:59.400 --> 2:12:01.920 you want with the ball? But why diys? 2:12:02.600 --> 2:12:04.680 But if he if my man can just pull up 2:12:04.720 --> 2:12:07.960 at the logo and splash that thing and no problem, 2:12:08.680 --> 2:12:13.440 then we don't need size. Oh I sound like a 2:12:13.480 --> 2:12:18.080 basketball right now. Luca is big, he's a dominant player. 2:12:18.960 --> 2:12:21.400 He can't shoot like Steph. Everyone knows that no one 2:12:21.440 --> 2:12:23.600 can shoot like stuff. Okay, so why wouldn't you put 2:12:23.920 --> 2:12:24.720 Do you need a basket? 2:12:24.800 --> 2:12:24.920 Right? 2:12:24.960 --> 2:12:26.680 The whole concept of basketball is to put the ball 2:12:26.680 --> 2:12:28.640 in the hoop. The issue more is like how you 2:12:28.680 --> 2:12:29.600 go get the basket? 2:12:29.680 --> 2:12:30.200 You know what I mean? 2:12:30.320 --> 2:12:33.360 Like so when I think about like watch, I think 2:12:33.440 --> 2:12:38.800 I look at statistics because they track those about your honis. 2:12:37.800 --> 2:12:40.840 The best player in the world right now, you'd rather 2:12:40.880 --> 2:12:42.760 have Luca over him too. 2:12:43.880 --> 2:12:46.280 No, the question was the question that I got asked, 2:12:46.320 --> 2:12:48.040 was Luc or Steph, Well and bust one of the boys. 2:12:48.040 --> 2:12:52.720 We like to throw in wrenches, you know what. There's 2:12:52.760 --> 2:12:54.400 like ten guys I'd like to have in the clutch 2:12:54.440 --> 2:12:55.280 with the ball in their hands. 2:12:56.720 --> 2:12:58.520 All right, but go on to me about Luca. Sorry, 2:12:58.560 --> 2:12:59.720 I didn't mean to throw you in there. 2:12:59.800 --> 2:13:01.560 What I was when I think about, like, who do 2:13:01.600 --> 2:13:03.720 I want to have the ball in their hands in 2:13:03.760 --> 2:13:08.840 the clutch, It's guys like Luca's, guys like Lebron who 2:13:09.080 --> 2:13:13.160 have size, because they're going to create a shot, whether 2:13:13.200 --> 2:13:16.080 that's against the double team, whether that's one on one, 2:13:16.080 --> 2:13:19.360 they're going to create a shot. There's nothing wrong with 2:13:19.400 --> 2:13:21.240 saying Steph in that answer, by the way, and he's 2:13:21.240 --> 2:13:23.760 made a ton of clutch shots. I was basing some 2:13:23.840 --> 2:13:26.320 of it on just this past season. Steph was ten 2:13:26.360 --> 2:13:28.120 for fifty one from three in the clutch this season. 2:13:28.320 --> 2:13:31.280 So like, some of that is recency bias, which is 2:13:31.320 --> 2:13:33.080 another thing I've learned in the media. We all have 2:13:33.560 --> 2:13:35.520 versus of the moment. I like to describe stephen A 2:13:35.520 --> 2:13:37.600 as that. It's another phrase that I see that I 2:13:37.760 --> 2:13:39.520 use Yeah, yeah, it sucks. 2:13:39.800 --> 2:13:41.360 It sucks. I can't imagine. 2:13:41.520 --> 2:13:43.400 I can't imagine getting the point where like, you have 2:13:43.480 --> 2:13:45.920 a show every day and you're like, man, I got 2:13:46.040 --> 2:13:49.640 to fill two fucking hours with the same take, but 2:13:49.720 --> 2:13:50.560 in a different way. 2:13:50.800 --> 2:13:53.320 That's tough. I like to pop in and pop out. 2:13:53.400 --> 2:13:53.600 You know. 2:13:54.120 --> 2:13:56.880 Yeah, I loved what you love the clapping back you 2:13:56.880 --> 2:13:59.440 were doing on a mad Dog. I think every young 2:13:59.520 --> 2:14:03.920 generation an athlete, young generation person was fairly hype about that. 2:14:07.400 --> 2:14:09.360 The one thing I'll say, and this is not in 2:14:10.680 --> 2:14:12.960 sort of any direction towards Matt Dog. The one thing 2:14:13.000 --> 2:14:15.640 I say is like I and I'm sure you guys 2:14:15.640 --> 2:14:19.040 have seen this too. I have witnessed and lived both 2:14:19.080 --> 2:14:23.000 in my own personal experience and my peers experience a 2:14:23.080 --> 2:14:28.640 lot of tired narratives around athletes. And you know, I 2:14:28.760 --> 2:14:33.120 remember going through the lockout and seeing articles written about athletes, 2:14:34.720 --> 2:14:38.120 and I'm like, why, why is everybody siding with the 2:14:38.160 --> 2:14:43.120 billionaire owners and not the athletes. It's there's something about 2:14:43.880 --> 2:14:47.200 athletes that people think we're entitled, that people think we're 2:14:47.240 --> 2:14:50.920 our only value is to entertain you on a basketball 2:14:50.960 --> 2:14:53.760 court or a football field, that we're not allowed to 2:14:53.880 --> 2:14:56.440 be intelligent and speak our mind or speak an opinion, 2:14:57.000 --> 2:14:58.600 or to protest or whatever it is. 2:14:59.640 --> 2:15:04.000 And it's so dehumanizing and so demeaning, and a lot of. 2:15:05.360 --> 2:15:07.640 A lot of the stuff that has gone viral on 2:15:07.720 --> 2:15:11.160 first take has been in a direct response to some 2:15:11.280 --> 2:15:14.920 of those narratives. And that's one example of it. But 2:15:15.640 --> 2:15:18.480 you know the other part of it, I don't really 2:15:18.480 --> 2:15:21.480 want to talk about. Sure, the undertone I don't want 2:15:21.480 --> 2:15:24.040 to talk about, but you know, so much of that 2:15:24.200 --> 2:15:26.920 is like, hold on a second, Like the narrative is wrong, 2:15:27.000 --> 2:15:28.000 the narrative is tired. 2:15:28.680 --> 2:15:31.000 Let's let's start a new narrative that makes sense. 2:15:31.600 --> 2:15:36.520 Yeah, yeah, man, I do want to ask before I know, we've. 2:15:36.360 --> 2:15:37.720 Been We've had a long pot and we got to 2:15:37.720 --> 2:15:37.920 play it. 2:15:37.920 --> 2:15:42.600 In the game of pig, is is coach Is Coach 2:15:42.680 --> 2:15:46.360 K a psycho from the outside When you watch a 2:15:46.440 --> 2:15:48.880 lot of situations unfold, it seems like a lot of 2:15:48.920 --> 2:15:51.320 things that he does seems very calculated. 2:15:51.480 --> 2:15:55.720 Huh and uh, And yes, I'm wondering it's like, is 2:15:55.760 --> 2:15:56.200 coach K? 2:15:58.000 --> 2:16:00.960 But I guess I guess when you because my version 2:16:01.000 --> 2:16:03.560 of a psycho, my definition of a psycho. I I 2:16:03.600 --> 2:16:08.840 also use the word sicko interchangeably about when I talk 2:16:08.880 --> 2:16:09.680 about people. 2:16:09.680 --> 2:16:12.880 Gotcha, and like, what's your sort of definition? 2:16:12.960 --> 2:16:16.680 Psycho is pretty hardcore, over the top, very much, brilliant, 2:16:16.680 --> 2:16:21.080 demonstrative on players. Hardcore makes you feel less than a 2:16:21.160 --> 2:16:24.200 lot of the time, stassistic, narcissistic. 2:16:23.600 --> 2:16:28.920 Understand manipulative game that he can do with players. I mean, 2:16:28.920 --> 2:16:30.560 you've played for him, there's been a lot. 2:16:30.600 --> 2:16:35.200 I wouldn't. I don't. I think I think manipulative is 2:16:35.240 --> 2:16:37.840 the wrong word. I think. 2:16:39.400 --> 2:16:43.240 The word you use about calculative, I think that's probably 2:16:43.240 --> 2:16:44.040 more appropriate. 2:16:45.080 --> 2:16:45.360 I don't. 2:16:45.400 --> 2:16:47.720 He's definitely not, definitely not a narcissist. He's definitely not 2:16:47.720 --> 2:16:50.800 a psycho in sort of the traditional sense. He is 2:16:51.280 --> 2:16:55.760 very intense and he's very demanding, but he's a truth teller. 2:16:56.440 --> 2:16:57.800 He is always a truth teller. 2:16:58.520 --> 2:17:01.920 And you know, my four years with him, I say 2:17:01.920 --> 2:17:04.280 this sincerely, my four years with him, I never saw 2:17:04.360 --> 2:17:07.600 him have a bad day, like not at what he's on. 2:17:08.120 --> 2:17:11.480 He's on every day we get back from Virginia Tech 2:17:11.520 --> 2:17:14.080 on the bus at three am. He you know, we 2:17:14.160 --> 2:17:17.840 lose meeting. You know, we're in there for an hour. 2:17:18.240 --> 2:17:20.400 We got practice the next day. He's on the bike 2:17:20.400 --> 2:17:23.680 at six am. He comes to practice, energize, ready to go, 2:17:23.800 --> 2:17:25.840 ready to coach. He's like that with every team he's 2:17:25.879 --> 2:17:29.080 ever been on. He's so invested in and takes such 2:17:29.120 --> 2:17:32.640 ownership you know, or did take such ownership of being 2:17:32.640 --> 2:17:36.320 a coach, being a duke basketball coach, like that program. 2:17:36.560 --> 2:17:41.000 He's phenomenal. And I get to a degree when someone 2:17:41.080 --> 2:17:44.360 sees him motherfucking a raft or motherfucking a nineteen year old, 2:17:44.360 --> 2:17:45.920 Like I get why people are like, oh. 2:17:45.760 --> 2:17:46.959 He's he's a psycho. 2:17:47.080 --> 2:17:50.600 He's a psycho, But like I actually would say, all 2:17:50.680 --> 2:17:53.440 the good shit that said about him is true. And 2:17:53.480 --> 2:17:57.920 then so like he's my dad is the greatest man 2:17:58.160 --> 2:18:00.400 that I've ever known. I didn't have to look far 2:18:00.600 --> 2:18:03.840 for a role model. Coach is the second. Like, coach 2:18:03.920 --> 2:18:04.760 is phenomenal. 2:18:05.280 --> 2:18:07.080 And I. 2:18:08.600 --> 2:18:10.960 Became friends with him my junior year and we've been 2:18:10.959 --> 2:18:15.200 friends now for whatever that is, seventeen years. He's like 2:18:15.240 --> 2:18:17.720 such an important part of my life and it has 2:18:17.760 --> 2:18:21.000 been for you know, since two thousand when I committed, 2:18:21.080 --> 2:18:22.400 Like he's just he's the man. 2:18:22.680 --> 2:18:23.520 I love that dude. 2:18:24.120 --> 2:18:26.960 After your little stint your sophomore year when you were 2:18:27.640 --> 2:18:29.600 brought back and put on a big schedule. Did you 2:18:29.640 --> 2:18:32.120 and him ever talk about it, like reminisced maybe a 2:18:32.160 --> 2:18:33.800 couple of years ago about it, like, hey, you were 2:18:34.200 --> 2:18:36.280 I was worried about you there for a second. Do 2:18:36.320 --> 2:18:37.680 you ever give you that he didn't know if you're 2:18:37.680 --> 2:18:38.160 going to make it. 2:18:38.200 --> 2:18:39.920 We talked a little bit about it when he came 2:18:39.959 --> 2:18:42.240 on the podcast in the fall of twenty twenty. But 2:18:42.360 --> 2:18:46.720 actually the moment we became friends and the moment that 2:18:46.800 --> 2:18:50.480 I felt like he wasn't just my coach was that 2:18:50.680 --> 2:18:53.920 following spring we lost in the sweet sixteen to Michigan 2:18:53.920 --> 2:18:55.840 State in Austin War School. 2:18:56.320 --> 2:18:56.640 Yeah. 2:18:56.760 --> 2:19:01.920 Terrible, And you know I had I'd gone through all 2:19:01.959 --> 2:19:05.160 that my sophomore year and then I, you know, got 2:19:05.240 --> 2:19:08.040 ACC Player of the Year, ACC Tournament, Tournament, m v P, 2:19:08.440 --> 2:19:10.879 First Team All American, I got one of the national 2:19:10.920 --> 2:19:12.720 Player of the Year awards, I got the Rough Award, 2:19:13.520 --> 2:19:15.560 and we yeah, let's give it. 2:19:17.560 --> 2:19:17.680 Now. 2:19:17.920 --> 2:19:21.600 Context context matters, Yeah, no doubt, high point, no doubt. 2:19:22.879 --> 2:19:23.320 Uh. 2:19:23.560 --> 2:19:27.240 So he called he called me into where we we 2:19:27.360 --> 2:19:29.920 lose at the arena. We're all emotional, I'm crying, and 2:19:29.920 --> 2:19:31.320 we'll get on the bus. He's like, hey, come to 2:19:31.360 --> 2:19:33.280 my hotel room. We'll get back to the hotel and 2:19:33.320 --> 2:19:35.320 we went in there and we basically talked about that. 2:19:35.360 --> 2:19:38.879 We talked about that day in May of two thousand 2:19:38.879 --> 2:19:40.600 and four when he dragged me, when they dragged me 2:19:40.640 --> 2:19:43.600 to the office. Talked about that summer, everything I'd done, 2:19:43.680 --> 2:19:45.680 We talked about the season. He talked about how proud 2:19:45.720 --> 2:19:49.720 he was of me, like I was a lifer at 2:19:49.720 --> 2:19:52.440 that point, like I was a coach klifer. He was, 2:19:52.800 --> 2:19:55.720 he was a friend from that point on. Yeah, that 2:19:55.920 --> 2:19:56.400 is awesome. 2:19:56.920 --> 2:19:59.879 And then one last thing, another one last thing, they 2:20:00.080 --> 2:20:03.200 gambling story of you almost coming to blows with one 2:20:03.200 --> 2:20:06.120 of your teammates. Yeah, I heard you said it was 2:20:06.160 --> 2:20:08.440 one of the closest times. Uh yeah, I mean I 2:20:08.520 --> 2:20:09.879 ever came up fighting a teammate. 2:20:09.959 --> 2:20:12.360 Yeah, I mean I've got I've gotten hit by teammates before, 2:20:12.560 --> 2:20:15.400 Like you've gotten punched by teammate, Yeah, he did. 2:20:15.480 --> 2:20:16.480 Turculu used to hit me. 2:20:16.600 --> 2:20:18.960 He hit me a couple of times, a couple of 2:20:19.000 --> 2:20:21.000 times when I was like a rookie, and then once 2:20:21.000 --> 2:20:22.600 again my like my third year, he just like to 2:20:22.640 --> 2:20:23.120 fuck with me. 2:20:23.200 --> 2:20:26.440 But I like when he got into. 2:20:26.240 --> 2:20:28.760 A little strap with Carlos Arroyo, me and Brian Cook 2:20:28.800 --> 2:20:31.040 got into it one time. Like I never like came 2:20:31.080 --> 2:20:33.400 to blows with a guy in practice, but like I 2:20:33.440 --> 2:20:35.400 was trying to fight find a place in the leade 2:20:35.440 --> 2:20:36.320 like in the league. 2:20:37.680 --> 2:20:39.880 So I was just scrappy in practice. 2:20:39.879 --> 2:20:42.040 And if you're a vet, like in his shoot around, 2:20:42.640 --> 2:20:44.880 I that's one of the times turkleu elbowed me in 2:20:44.920 --> 2:20:47.680 the in the eye and gave me a black eye. 2:20:47.760 --> 2:20:50.039 He's just like I was playing too hard a post 2:20:50.040 --> 2:20:52.240 defense when we were we weren't walking through plays. We 2:20:52.240 --> 2:20:54.440 were running through plays, and he just turns and he 2:20:54.520 --> 2:20:56.200 like noticed it was me and he caught me in 2:20:56.200 --> 2:21:01.000 the elbow. Got with an elbow. The Justin Anderson story basically, 2:21:01.959 --> 2:21:03.200 everybody in the NBA plays Blu Ray. 2:21:03.200 --> 2:21:05.080 Do you guys play bou Ray? In the Okay? Everybody 2:21:05.080 --> 2:21:05.760 plays Blue Ray. 2:21:06.360 --> 2:21:08.800 So there's a there's a player's cabin on we used 2:21:08.800 --> 2:21:11.080 Delta charter flights. In the player's cabin there's always a 2:21:11.120 --> 2:21:14.200 table and then there's a bunch of other seats. So 2:21:14.280 --> 2:21:18.440 the table is four card games and so playing bou Ray. 2:21:18.800 --> 2:21:22.440 And there had been some tension building between Justin Anderson 2:21:22.480 --> 2:21:25.920 and another teammate of mine. They were going back and forth. 2:21:25.920 --> 2:21:29.600 They sat next to each other, so their actions directly 2:21:29.640 --> 2:21:32.840 affected the other player's actions, right, whether or not the 2:21:32.840 --> 2:21:34.400 guy stayed in the game, whether or not a guy 2:21:34.480 --> 2:21:36.520 went for a boo or didn't go for boot like, 2:21:36.560 --> 2:21:40.000 it all affected each other. So they were kind of 2:21:40.000 --> 2:21:43.480 mouthing off, and Justin wanted a pretty big hand to 2:21:43.560 --> 2:21:46.920 not count because he felt like there was a discrepancy 2:21:47.080 --> 2:21:49.680 in how that particular hand had been played. 2:21:50.480 --> 2:21:54.680 And we had been drinking as well. 2:21:54.879 --> 2:21:57.920 There had been some wine on the flight, and so 2:21:58.120 --> 2:22:02.960 there was Amir Johnson, Me, Jared Bayliss, Justin Anderson diagonal 2:22:03.000 --> 2:22:05.120 to me, and then there wasn't a fifth seat, so 2:22:05.200 --> 2:22:07.959 Joel would sit on the arm rest in the aisle. 2:22:08.280 --> 2:22:09.760 Joel and Vieu was sit on the arm rest in 2:22:09.800 --> 2:22:11.720 the aisle, and UH. 2:22:13.320 --> 2:22:16.959 Basically got to the point where their bullshit was sabotaging 2:22:17.320 --> 2:22:19.400 the general flow and enjoyment of the car. 2:22:19.600 --> 2:22:21.640 It was ruining the night. It was ruining the night. 2:22:22.040 --> 2:22:22.400 Thank you. 2:22:23.160 --> 2:22:25.880 So I got a little vocal and then he got 2:22:25.959 --> 2:22:28.680 vocal back with me, and then I said, you're a 2:22:28.760 --> 2:22:31.000 little bitch, And he said, what did you say? And 2:22:31.040 --> 2:22:34.120 I said, you're a little bit. I doubled down, and 2:22:34.680 --> 2:22:36.600 I'm not proud of this. Like I just said, I 2:22:36.640 --> 2:22:38.200 said you're a bitch, and he said, what did you say? 2:22:38.240 --> 2:22:39.959 I said, I said, you heard me. I said you're 2:22:39.959 --> 2:22:42.760 a bitch. And then he like stood up on the 2:22:42.840 --> 2:22:47.000 table and like, you know, almost swung on me. Joel 2:22:47.120 --> 2:22:50.119 luckily like grabbed him, and then all these flight attendants 2:22:50.320 --> 2:22:52.160 that were on the plane like came. I don't know 2:22:52.200 --> 2:22:55.080 why they broke up this stuffle, but they broke it up. 2:22:56.240 --> 2:22:58.200 Had he swung on me, like I'm sitting down, he's 2:22:58.240 --> 2:23:01.680 standing up on a table six two thirty, But I 2:23:01.720 --> 2:23:03.720 want to know, I will run by the ankles, dude, 2:23:03.720 --> 2:23:06.240 give him a task. I would have lost. Dude, those 2:23:06.440 --> 2:23:09.400 the tables are like here, like there's no leverage. I 2:23:09.440 --> 2:23:11.600 was stuck. I was stuck. I would have lost. 2:23:12.040 --> 2:23:14.759 You're a little bitch, dude. 2:23:14.800 --> 2:23:17.360 You gotta think if you're really gonna fight somebody, well 2:23:17.400 --> 2:23:18.800 he's taking the time to get up on that table. 2:23:18.840 --> 2:23:20.520 You gotta make a move. Yeah, you know if you're 2:23:20.520 --> 2:23:21.200 gonna win that fight. 2:23:21.480 --> 2:23:24.600 The flight attendants they obviously fly with all the other teams. 2:23:24.760 --> 2:23:27.200 The word got around that that had happened, so I 2:23:27.240 --> 2:23:29.039 had a bunch of text from buddies around the league 2:23:29.080 --> 2:23:31.720 that I heard you guys got into a fight, you 2:23:31.720 --> 2:23:32.160 know whatever. 2:23:32.160 --> 2:23:34.040 I was like, no, there's nothing. It was nothing like 2:23:34.080 --> 2:23:34.959 what happened after you guys. 2:23:34.959 --> 2:23:40.280 Cool. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. I would have to ask him. 2:23:40.480 --> 2:23:44.760 Jay's my guy. We appreciate you. 2:23:44.800 --> 2:23:48.000 Going on, man, Thanks been unreal to your flight. 2:23:48.560 --> 2:23:53.040 Hey Jack, is he doing the green screen? All right? Cool? 2:23:53.480 --> 2:23:54.240 Did I appreciate it? 2:23:54.280 --> 2:23:54.400 Man? 2:23:54.600 --> 2:23:58.280 Anything else? Anybody got anything? You trying to hit that 2:23:58.280 --> 2:24:03.800 pig one on one pig? Uh No, I don't think so. 2:24:04.240 --> 2:24:04.880 I don't think so. 2:24:05.000 --> 2:24:05.520 He's scared. 2:24:06.120 --> 2:24:08.440 Is anybody better than you at the collegiate level of 2:24:08.920 --> 2:24:09.680 all time shooter? 2:24:10.720 --> 2:24:12.240 Steph? Really? 2:24:12.280 --> 2:24:15.160 Yeah, it's Steph would have I mean, there's other guys 2:24:15.200 --> 2:24:18.800 that have surpassed like the three point thing, but Steph 2:24:18.800 --> 2:24:20.680 would have shattered it had he played one more year, 2:24:20.879 --> 2:24:21.800 he would have shattered it. 2:24:24.480 --> 2:24:27.080 I think I was. I don't know who I was 2:24:27.080 --> 2:24:28.800 having this conversation with. It was somebody the. 2:24:28.720 --> 2:24:32.040 Other day, like I think why, I think why? 2:24:33.200 --> 2:24:35.600 It's like, oh, oh it is omar omar from my 2:24:35.720 --> 2:24:39.160 house Highlights. Omar Omaraja is now his sports center. We 2:24:39.160 --> 2:24:42.200 were talking about this two days ago, and I was 2:24:42.200 --> 2:24:45.720 telling him, it's like part of the reason, like the 2:24:46.480 --> 2:24:50.600 Duke version of me is, you know, there's a legacy 2:24:50.640 --> 2:24:51.840 to that. I think a little bit, even though I 2:24:51.840 --> 2:24:54.400 didn't win a championship, and oh, there definitely is. Yeah, 2:24:54.400 --> 2:24:55.800 there's a there's a little bit of like if you 2:24:55.800 --> 2:24:57.640 were growing up in that area you watch college basketball. 2:24:57.680 --> 2:24:59.640 But I think the reason is number one, because I 2:24:59.680 --> 2:25:01.840 played for Duke, and like people hated Duke and there's 2:25:01.879 --> 2:25:05.200 divisiveness there. The second reason, though, is like my draft 2:25:05.200 --> 2:25:07.960 class was the last draft class before the one and 2:25:08.040 --> 2:25:10.840 done era. So I feel like my time in college 2:25:10.879 --> 2:25:13.400 basketball was like the time in college basketball. 2:25:12.959 --> 2:25:15.040 That we all knew and we all grew up knowing. 2:25:15.520 --> 2:25:18.080 Now with the one and done, it's just different, Like 2:25:18.120 --> 2:25:21.160 you don't have that attachment. Yeah, you're in and out. 2:25:21.760 --> 2:25:24.560 Most people don't even pay attention to March Madness anyways. 2:25:24.600 --> 2:25:26.440 So now it's like back then, it was like you 2:25:26.480 --> 2:25:29.280 and Adam Morrison, yes, yeah, and you know, and then 2:25:29.640 --> 2:25:30.560 you and c was awesome. 2:25:30.600 --> 2:25:32.560 When I was there, they want to know five, you know, 2:25:32.680 --> 2:25:35.200 we had some great games with them, so and they 2:25:35.200 --> 2:25:36.880 were all upper class. When like all those guys left it, 2:25:36.959 --> 2:25:38.440 they were all my high school class, and they all 2:25:38.480 --> 2:25:41.160 left after their junior year. I decided to stay one 2:25:41.160 --> 2:25:43.440 more year. So I just think it was like part 2:25:43.440 --> 2:25:45.080 of part of it was like just the era we 2:25:45.080 --> 2:25:48.119 were in. It wasn't necessarily that like I did anything 2:25:48.120 --> 2:25:51.400 that was that much special relative to other great college 2:25:51.400 --> 2:25:52.160 basketball players. 2:25:52.200 --> 2:25:54.480 I mean, you're pretty good, so I was. I mean 2:25:54.520 --> 2:25:57.119 I was, you know, you were decent leventh overall pack. 2:25:57.160 --> 2:25:57.960 You're pretty solid. 2:25:58.120 --> 2:25:58.400 That was. 2:25:58.480 --> 2:26:02.520 That was good them, the Robbet