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Speaker 2: That is a huge deal this week, this episode, banger.
Speaker 3: That's why I had a cloud going on the entire
Speaker 3: time because I was thinking about we had fucking JJ
Speaker 3: Reddick on the bus, who's literally everywhere right now, Yes, bro, everywhere, dude,
Speaker 3: every way you look, you see people saying like we
Speaker 3: need to protect them at all costs. On ESPN, like
Speaker 3: all this, all of us. He's on first take a
Speaker 3: lot right, first take. I don't want sure what other
Speaker 3: segments stephen A Smith and that hairline, yeah, he said
Speaker 3: in that airline and mad Dog like JJ's out there
Speaker 3: fighting the good fight. He really the boys very very
Speaker 3: intellect very intellectual. Yeah, very that's the word. That's the word, guys,
Speaker 3: A fucking very insightful.
Speaker 1: His vocabulary kind of pissed me off a little bit
Speaker 1: because it made me feel less than It's my own
Speaker 1: issue though, that is my own issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my own bag to unpacked. Pat McAfee did
Speaker 3: the other day like, if you're gonna be done, like
Speaker 3: you gotta be a tough guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think when JJ's talking you get a little mad,
Speaker 3: you want to get a little tough.
Speaker 4: Tough, all right, yeah, so look at me. I'm doing
Speaker 4: what I'm supposed to be doing. Then you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, You're in the beautiful thing what you need
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 1: And a cool thing that JJ said to us was
Speaker 1: that like he's like not doing a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: with people right now.
Speaker 2: Like he committed doing busting with the Boys, which is really.
Speaker 1: Cool with him, but then after the party is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people ask me to do stuff every
Speaker 1: single day, and I just it's so overwhelming.
Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm not gonna be doing that. Because
Speaker 2: he's been crushing it, crushing it and we get like
Speaker 2: humble too. Oh bro, he he was fucking awesome. Bro unreal.
Speaker 1: He legit took over the podcast. Low key guys. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: We're not a huge basketball guys. We don't really know
Speaker 1: what's what. We don't have like the knowledge.
Speaker 3: He's got a So you know when the Boys were
Speaker 3: in the top five for the charts now Apple Spotify,
Speaker 3: we're living in those charts.
Speaker 2: Living top ten your shadow.
Speaker 3: Everyone listening to continue to download our episodes on audio,
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Speaker 3: Right now, just as we're talking, plut your phone, bring
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Speaker 3: helps us, bro. But a podcast that listens to five
Speaker 3: with us is The Old Man in the Three, which
Speaker 3: is JJ Reddick's podcast.
Speaker 2: He's got a banger podcast.
Speaker 3: Banger but uh, yeah, man, he's a stud. You any
Speaker 3: white kid growing up, dude, you wanted to shoot like
Speaker 3: JJ Redick.
Speaker 2: Let's see, Hey, I thought he was black, Taylor the
Speaker 2: day before he.
Speaker 3: Came on zero and anything about basketball, Bro, you had
Speaker 3: still like I tweeted and had a gift of who
Speaker 3: JJ Reddick was. He's like, oh I thought he was
Speaker 3: black until you had that gift. Yeah. Uh, but if
Speaker 3: you watch basketball of any kind, like you wanted to
Speaker 3: be a JJ Reddick back in that the early two thousands.
Speaker 3: But yeah, got a stud podcast, The Old Man in
Speaker 3: the Three. He's the only est panies everywhere. Dude is
Speaker 3: dishing out knowledge left and right about the game of
Speaker 3: basketball because, like Taylor said, he's arguing with Steven A.
Speaker 3: Smith and mad Dog all the time. And also what's
Speaker 3: his name, uh Pat Pat Bev Beverly. Some good conversation
Speaker 3: they make that the show. I've been doing homework since
Speaker 3: the pod. Don't get twisted now, boys, I'm learning about basketball,
Speaker 3: like no, And I'm not saying the show isn't entertaining,
Speaker 3: but I feel like I've tuned in a couple more
Speaker 3: times a few more times, not just because like J J. Redick,
Speaker 3: Pat Bev and those young cats are like and they're
Speaker 3: like arguing with the old heads and like dropping knowledge,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's arguing for the boys.
Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, we had an awesome teer talk about pizza.
Speaker 1: Pizza was the tear talk, and that's where we kind
Speaker 1: of all kind of lost it with each other. I
Speaker 1: think that's where he kind of kind of put himself
Speaker 1: on a pedestal because he lives in the Northeast.
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is, too, Like that's the
Speaker 2: word like.
Speaker 1: You guys don't know pizza and then my tier one.
Speaker 1: You guys both shit on, which is fine. I honestly,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be the number one pick of any anybody,
Speaker 1: like for a lot of people, but for me it
Speaker 1: was number one.
Speaker 2: But he was.
Speaker 4: I think he said the best thing we said was cheese,
Speaker 4: and that low key is disrespectful.
Speaker 3: He was super He's saying some crazy shit, dude, Like
Speaker 3: we're trying to have Like he's just using big words.
Speaker 2: Dude. He was just said leafs, but he used like
Speaker 2: stage and I'll say, he's.
Speaker 1: A small word. You know what I'm saying for little words.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, saying big ass words. Piece
Speaker 1: of ship.
Speaker 2: I'm getting I'm getting tough again.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he uh, it was just a you know,
Speaker 3: we're just trying to have a good time. Like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's like pick out candies and pizzas and ship like that.
Speaker 3: He's like coming ask with some crazy Northeastern But those
Speaker 3: dudes those different kind of think they're a lot better
Speaker 3: than like the Midwest, the Southern guys.
Speaker 2: So you know what's like kind of a stable for them.
Speaker 4: You were in you were in New York. Was the
Speaker 4: pizza that much better? You can be honest, this list
Speaker 4: was really good. Okay, the pizza is really it was
Speaker 4: that much better, you're gonna say, and he's just say
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 2: That much better. Oh it's not that much better.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, Like there's competitive pizza all over
Speaker 3: the country.
Speaker 1: I feel like, is there anywhere in Nashville you would
Speaker 1: say we compete with New York.
Speaker 2: That's good question, right. Are we given some free shoutouts?
Speaker 2: You just I mean is there actual an actual yes?
Speaker 2: Because if my head there might not be fucking Joey
Speaker 2: shut down.
Speaker 3: I would say that one Joey's the House of Joey's
Speaker 3: House of Pizza really yeah, I mean they brought it
Speaker 3: on that one time that he tried it. He gave
Speaker 3: it like a high eight rating. No way, yes, Bro,
Speaker 3: day when he came to three spots, he went to
Speaker 3: Nashville is Joey's five points and one other one, but
Speaker 3: they all got they all got in the eighth, bro,
Speaker 3: really with respect, and I will say five points is good.
Speaker 3: You're mouth watering, right, Yeah, Rocking Dough is low key.
Speaker 5: So Lyn is a brewery and everyone who's eating it.
Speaker 2: I haven't had that. I would love to try it.
Speaker 2: You got to try it out Smith and Midnight Oil Bro,
Speaker 2: Midnight Oil off fifty. First.
Speaker 4: You have about brought them. You brought it on this
Speaker 4: pot actually ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, Joey's brother still has a uh has a pizza
Speaker 6: spot though it's called Manny's. It's very similar to Joey's.
Speaker 6: There were brothers they competed in like the pizza world.
Speaker 6: But Manny's is still open it.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that because I when I saw
Speaker 3: Joss shutting down, I was a little bum that, like
Speaker 3: I only had it that one time. He was only
Speaker 3: opening afternoons from like eleven am to four pm, not
Speaker 3: open on weekends, and only open on those afternoons in
Speaker 3: the weekdays.
Speaker 2: Is this the plately operational?
Speaker 1: Is this the place that uh Portnoy was like, I'm
Speaker 1: coming here and then they were like, please don't come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like they didn't want the attention because
Speaker 3: they there's always like a long line.
Speaker 2: It's just family. It's family opera.
Speaker 4: I wonder why they shut down then COVID probably couldn't
Speaker 4: have been bro they would have.
Speaker 6: I read their ad and it said they're transitioning into
Speaker 6: like doing more food than just pizza.
Speaker 2: So they're opening back up. Okay, they're not shutting down.
Speaker 1: They're getting bigger because everything you guys are saying sounds
Speaker 1: like this would be the hotest place.
Speaker 6: So it's not going to be pizza centric anymore. It's
Speaker 6: I think it's just going to be traditional Italian food again.
Speaker 6: That's just what their their Instagram post said, like their
Speaker 6: last post.
Speaker 1: Okay, pizza's fire, but Italian food for me is not
Speaker 1: a really I know?
Speaker 3: Is that crazy?
Speaker 2: It is crazy?
Speaker 3: Man? That wild. No, Italian Food's heavy, so it's not
Speaker 3: always like a choice. I try and go to but
Speaker 3: foods as you much like that?
Speaker 5: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no it's not for me, but uh anything else else?
Speaker 3: Miss Jumping in the episode gives a finals prediction.
Speaker 2: Oh he gave as prediction? What was it? You gotta listen, Taylor,
Speaker 2: come on different? What am I thinking of right now?
Speaker 2: You're good, bro, you gotta listen to the episode. Though.
Speaker 5: We do have one thing though, because the whole rich
Speaker 5: eyes and remember the video.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can just shit it on lighty.
Speaker 5: Right behind your seat, there is a device that is
Speaker 5: a fog machine and it possesses a not a big
Speaker 5: one but a small motor.
Speaker 2: It's right behind your seat, will Oh, it's right there, yep,
Speaker 2: I see it.
Speaker 5: Try and keep it level if you grab it, because
Speaker 5: I feel like it's like leaking. But rich Eisen said
Speaker 5: that he changed his listen to Jack because it is
Speaker 5: that video special you can yeah, just to prove that
Speaker 5: it's on here. Because rich Eisen has now said that
Speaker 5: he will come on the podcast if we just had
Speaker 5: any motor at all. That little device possesses a very
Speaker 5: small but still a motor.
Speaker 2: Is that work? Does it work? Yeah?
Speaker 5: We gotta plug it in and stuff, so we don't
Speaker 5: have it. Didn't have to be working, he said, he
Speaker 5: could be anything motor.
Speaker 2: That's case we got. Isn't there a motor in this bus?
Speaker 2: All right, we can do that.
Speaker 5: We just yeah, we need to clip it so he
Speaker 5: can send it to Rich. He should hopefully be coming
Speaker 5: on the show, So Rich, those tweets are gonna still
Speaker 5: be sending off until the day he gets on here.
Speaker 1: It seems like Rich in the beginning really fucking dug
Speaker 1: his feet in the ground on what would make him
Speaker 1: come on this bus. And as we've gained a little
Speaker 1: more traction, it kind of seems like Rich has gone
Speaker 1: from doing us a favor to wanting to actually be
Speaker 1: on the bus and is willing to bend his own
Speaker 1: rules of how he's going to come on this bus.
Speaker 1: I've said it once in a thousand times. Its a
Speaker 1: huge Rich eisend fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the.
Speaker 1: Interaction between Busting and and him has been incredible.
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, it was painful. At first when he just
Speaker 3: wasn't referring to me in the podcast. Yeah, like I
Speaker 3: just want Rich to see me type of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I agree with you because when you first, when
Speaker 3: he talks about you first coming on and talking about
Speaker 3: busting with the boys, I'm sure he's oh, like the
Speaker 3: like the haters people are like, oh the boys are
Speaker 3: doing a cute little podcast.
Speaker 2: You know we were for real, I'm not gonna make
Speaker 2: it make anything of itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't know. Now look at us. Now you
Speaker 3: can play with us, play back and forth with us
Speaker 3: a little more on your own show because there's enough
Speaker 3: credibility behind it, enough credibility. Yeah, and he probably wants
Speaker 3: to get on that. And he's an o G too.
Speaker 2: He's no G. But when you've been in the game
Speaker 2: for this long, he's here with the times, we're hip
Speaker 2: or with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, so he's been an o G
Speaker 3: Tier three. You know.
Speaker 1: I think at this point we'll allow Rich to come
Speaker 1: on the pod, and I'm happy we could do this
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 3: Do I do you are you sure we need a
Speaker 3: tread that way? Maybe that keeps him from coming on.
Speaker 3: I want just don't want him to go back when
Speaker 3: I'm playing as you just did.
Speaker 1: I know you're right, and if you just give me.
Speaker 1: I in my head, Rich is watching this video right
Speaker 1: now and he's gone, He's like this on a stay
Speaker 1: on his desk and he's look, he's watching on his
Speaker 1: screen during a TV.
Speaker 2: These guys, you know, And I just want him to
Speaker 2: smile with it. And You're right.
Speaker 1: I could have been that might have been the thing
Speaker 1: that set him over the edge. But I want him
Speaker 1: to enjoy this. I'm just enjoying the banter, you know. O.
Speaker 1: G Michigan guy, dude, hero stud legend.
Speaker 3: Is he gonna missage your Michigan one? Do you think
Speaker 3: he should? It should be him in a full sprint,
Speaker 3: is what it should be in a suit?
Speaker 2: How so would that be? That'd be tool? But shall
Speaker 2: we get into it?
Speaker 1: You know, it'd be cool real quick if we did
Speaker 1: a spring football trophy game between Michigan and the trophy
Speaker 1: was Rich, and they would do the Bo the May,
Speaker 1: the Boot team in the May team, and it was
Speaker 1: just a small trophy of Rich running and whoever won
Speaker 1: that team, their captain got to keep the Rich trophy.
Speaker 1: That captain the captain of whichever team. I'm sure they
Speaker 1: split up, right, Yeah, pro cool while everyone line up
Speaker 1: against the wall. Two captains. I got that guy.
Speaker 2: They fucking get the game going. Cool ship. That's a
Speaker 2: funny idea.
Speaker 3: Thanks man.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to this episode.
Speaker 3: JJ Reddick, subscribe rate the boys do all the fun stuff.
Speaker 3: Enjoy the episode. How'd you feel about that game of
Speaker 3: pay that just happened there? I didn't feel great about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, coursewaty right now?
Speaker 3: We just played it an intense game of pig, in
Speaker 3: tense game of pig, and JJ Reddick was the first
Speaker 3: man out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what I think what obsessed me is
Speaker 4: number one the l for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I texted Will yesterday and I said, Will, what
Speaker 4: do I need to know? What am I walking into tomorrow?
Speaker 4: And he laid out a show plan, some Duke stuff,
Speaker 4: some NBA stuff. There was no mention of mini basketball pig.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And had I known that, I would have I would
Speaker 4: have came more prepared. I would have my whole day
Speaker 4: would have been different. I'll put it that way. So
Speaker 4: you're blaming me a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, Well, here's and let me have Will side for
Speaker 2: a second game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys probably got at least I don't know
Speaker 4: ten to fifteen warm up shots?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 1: But but usually when people play pig and someone comes
Speaker 1: in middle of the game, usually have to take a letter.
Speaker 2: And you didn't have to come in mid game. Well,
Speaker 2: that's because my driver took me to twelve.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say you don't want to see
Speaker 4: the address, but he took me to different a different
Speaker 4: address that started with a C, not a K.
Speaker 2: And then on the way over here we got stuck
Speaker 2: behind a train.
Speaker 1: So just shit happens, man, A lot of adversity when
Speaker 1: you're coming to and during the podcast on the bus.
Speaker 1: But just to argue with you a little bit more,
Speaker 1: when you and I were sitting in the corner of
Speaker 1: there and we were like kind of first meet each other,
Speaker 1: you did whisper to me, I play this game with
Speaker 1: my kids, exact hoop exact ball every single day.
Speaker 2: Did you not say that?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 2: Is that a comment you made? Exact hoop oh ball?
Speaker 2: You actually the ball is bigger and harder to make it.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, the there's like a men's basketball, women's basketball,
Speaker 4: youth basketball, and then there's like the mini basketballs. They're
Speaker 4: like three times the size that the ball you guys used.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm used to.
Speaker 3: Are you always aware when you walk into like a
Speaker 3: situation like that, like they all expect me to win
Speaker 3: this game, and when you do lose in that kind
Speaker 3: of fashion because it was pretty quick. Is this something
Speaker 3: where you're just like, damn, these boys like really think
Speaker 3: they got me for real?
Speaker 4: I mean, if you guys really think you got me
Speaker 4: in basketball, I actually feel bad for you.
Speaker 2: Let them finish, Let them finish and finish. Nobody laugh.
Speaker 4: No, but I'm just saying if we, if we, if
Speaker 4: we all of a sudden like did a NERF football competition,
Speaker 4: we probably like throwing it at a target, like I
Speaker 4: would probably beat you, guys. I wouldn't say to myself
Speaker 4: like I got you in football. I would just say,
Speaker 4: like I won this specific random event.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1: It'd be better, it'd be better and easier for us
Speaker 1: to stay based on because there was no like real
Speaker 1: basketball there.
Speaker 2: We're just better shooters than you are.
Speaker 4: Again, like at this particular dress, outside of this particular bus,
Speaker 4: I'm that particular hoop you guys got me today, and
Speaker 4: I again, the competitive side of me is pissed off
Speaker 4: and I wish we could move on past this because now.
Speaker 2: I'm getting angry.
Speaker 3: It's going it's gonna be a.
Speaker 2: Few minutes before.
Speaker 3: Trust me, we do not want to see for take
Speaker 3: JJ reddick. Really, Yeah, have you not seen the ways
Speaker 3: a couple I've.
Speaker 4: Seen you lose your temper, But I don't think it's anything
Speaker 4: we can't handle. I don't know if I've lost my
Speaker 4: temp well, I've been animated.
Speaker 3: You can tell because your vein will start coming out
Speaker 3: of your neck a little bit, you start leaning a
Speaker 3: little bit more in your seat and.
Speaker 2: Does the seat lean is a big giveaway? The producer
Speaker 2: said that to me the other day.
Speaker 4: Really, because I know when you're about to get really
Speaker 4: engaged because I leaned forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't even realize I'm doing it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I've got to be better at this exact
Speaker 2: This exact video is about Luca and Curry.
Speaker 4: Uh. Now, this one was about Steven A calling Jimmy
Speaker 4: Butler a permitter shooter. Yeah, and he's not a premier
Speaker 4: perimeter shooter at all. Jimmy Butler is a fantastic player.
Speaker 4: He's you know, superstar.
Speaker 2: Who als are who all are fantastic players? Well, Pat Beverly.
Speaker 7: I'm just Beverly pressed me on the other day, you
Speaker 7: got a fantastic player, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Fifty fantastic players. The hierarchy of the NBA is really
Speaker 4: hard to figure out at any given time. But generally speaking,
Speaker 4: there's like five guys that are it. They are him,
Speaker 4: and you can win a championship with that player, and
Speaker 4: beyond that, you know, there's probably five more guys that
Speaker 4: on certain nights look like a top five player, that's.
Speaker 2: Sort of like the top ten or fifteen.
Speaker 4: Then it becomes very circumstantial for the next twenty to
Speaker 4: forty guys, you know, and like Draymond he's a great
Speaker 4: example of that, because where do you sort of place
Speaker 4: him in the hierarchy of the NBA. If we're talking
Speaker 4: about someone who can go off the dribble and score
Speaker 4: on his own, like, that's not Draymond, but we're talking
Speaker 4: about impact on winning, well shit, he's top fifteen.
Speaker 2: Top twenty.
Speaker 4: So it's it's hard to rank players. I hate doing it.
Speaker 4: I hate you know, they make me do it.
Speaker 2: May have you seen Raymond Green try to play football?
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's a video fam if you can pull it up?
Speaker 1: Pull it up, Draymond Green spring football, Michigan State.
Speaker 2: What's like a good like for an average quarterback in
Speaker 2: the NFL? Average?
Speaker 4: Actually, let's go not NFL, average FBS college quarterback?
Speaker 2: How far can they throw football on the flo yards?
Speaker 2: Eighty yards?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 2: What's good? Oh, so that's a you'd think like you
Speaker 2: think sixty? Yeah, fifty to sixty would probably be basically
Speaker 2: I could average D one quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Well, that's assuming that what you just said means you
Speaker 1: can throw the ball fifty or sixty yards on the
Speaker 1: run accurately.
Speaker 2: On the run. I mean I can just do it standstill.
Speaker 2: You can throw a fifty or sixty yards standstill? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How long you feel somewhere to go? Because we can
Speaker 1: go right to the field if you want.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm gonna you didn't give me warm up here?
Speaker 4: We can go out to the field after we finish.
Speaker 4: I have nothing to do the rest of today. We'll
Speaker 4: play Bay again, just you and me, and you can
Speaker 4: warm up as long as you want. My ongoing joke
Speaker 4: is basically that if I had not quit baseball, I
Speaker 4: would have been a big league pitcher.
Speaker 2: You think so I had a heater man, Were you
Speaker 2: a beast? I had a heat? I'll tell you six
Speaker 2: or four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I quit in seventh grade.
Speaker 2: That's the thing my dad made me choose. But here's
Speaker 2: the thing I was. That is like the point where
Speaker 2: you have here.
Speaker 4: I was a beast then, and I hadn't hit my
Speaker 4: growth spurt yet. I was five six, And then all
Speaker 4: the kids that I played against that were on the
Speaker 4: same level as me, they all either played you know,
Speaker 4: double A, triple A baseball, D one ACC baseball.
Speaker 2: I feel like I could have had a I could
Speaker 2: have had a chance. I mean, are you hitting like
Speaker 2: low seventies as a seventh grader? Yeah? Oh easy. I
Speaker 2: mean that's that's just I feel that's just a loose seventies. Yeh.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's pretty to mid sixties. You're like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: even sixty two.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you mound that.
Speaker 3: Clothes back to the dug out and you're in like
Speaker 3: middle school and you know, hey, this kid can throw
Speaker 3: seventy two miles an hour, You're like, fuck.
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever even heard of that. We
Speaker 2: would like to.
Speaker 1: Interrupt this incredible episode with JJ Redder to let you
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Speaker 1: we have issues the big boxing stuff willly what you
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Speaker 3: I would just like to do in a mini shot out,
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Speaker 2: Know that the uh that the case is a Lufah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been using a NonStop and I every time
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Speaker 2: That's a big deal. Duke Cannon not for clowns.
Speaker 4: Taylor, honest with you, Your listeners know this. This is
Speaker 4: more of us getting to know each other. Where Where
Speaker 4: are you from again?
Speaker 3: From Arizona from I grew up grew up in Airsa,
Speaker 3: born in California, grew grew up in Arizona, went to Michigan,
Speaker 3: and I've been here, so.
Speaker 4: I do that, okay, And then so Bontaire, Missouri. Is
Speaker 4: that that's a real place.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've been there. It's a real Actually, I've driven
Speaker 1: past there with Willie people.
Speaker 2: It's a real place. Yeah. I have bacco lead Okay, cigarettes.
Speaker 2: For a long time in my life.
Speaker 4: I'm not a conspiracy there's but for a long time
Speaker 4: in my life, I was like, man, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: Missouri and Nebraska actually exists. Like I don't know if
Speaker 4: they are real places or if it was just like
Speaker 4: we're going to put them on a map.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't know anybody. You know, you, I'd never
Speaker 2: I'm like Nebraska because they don't leave. Nebraska people don't leave.
Speaker 2: It's weird. I'm pretty sure Missouri people don't leave either.
Speaker 2: You're talking about where I am right now.
Speaker 1: No, but you like you like made it out kid, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you told me all the time people from
Speaker 1: your town like don't really leave that town.
Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, that's accurate.
Speaker 1: Like Nebraska, it's a similar it's a similar conversation we've had.
Speaker 3: I feel like most people if you're in a small town,
Speaker 3: though not a lot of people really leave. I think
Speaker 3: that's a great point, you know what I mean. No,
Speaker 3: and I agree with that, like cities like you like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know what. We were an hour away from
Speaker 3: Saint Louis when I was growing up, so there really
Speaker 3: wasn't no city there.
Speaker 2: There was like nothing around us.
Speaker 3: So you just get used to the community aspect, I
Speaker 3: guess of a small town, like when you're growing up
Speaker 3: and when you're younger, like in my area, and say,
Speaker 3: you're like good at sports, you like picture yourself being
Speaker 3: like a head coach of that high school team when
Speaker 3: you grow up, or like a gym teacher, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I'm I always coach pe and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna or I'm gonna teach pe and I'm gonna coach football.
Speaker 2: What was a big city for you, Saint Louis. St.
Speaker 2: Louis Louis. Yeah. Huge.
Speaker 3: When I went to leave in Nebraska, I felt like
Speaker 3: it was big for me and everybody else from like
Speaker 3: Texas and Cali, and they like just shit on it.
Speaker 4: Like like when I went to Orlando my rookie year,
Speaker 4: I thought I thought Orlando was a city.
Speaker 2: It's clearly not a city. It's not a real city. Well,
Speaker 2: Orlanto's a weird place place.
Speaker 1: Every time I go to Orlando, I'm like, I like,
Speaker 1: everything's fake here because it's like the Disney the Disney World,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, there's a castle right there, or
Speaker 1: like this extravagant billboard, like it's so insane. But really
Speaker 1: it's just like fake. Nothing's real there. It seems like
Speaker 1: to me, I've only been there like three times in
Speaker 1: all three.
Speaker 2: Of those years.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I wouldn't call it like all
Speaker 4: of it fake, but it's a transient place.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people in and out, a lot
Speaker 2: of tourists google transient for me.
Speaker 3: Well, he's I mean, he can probably define it for you'll.
Speaker 4: Be that'll be the easiest word to translate that I'll
Speaker 4: use today.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, what is it? Short lived? Okay?
Speaker 4: He always changes moves around, you know, people in and out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: nobody's from Like who's from Orlando? Who's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I grew up in Orlando and I stayed in Orlando.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing here Inshville.
Speaker 1: The first six months I lived in Nashville in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: I didn't meet one person from Nashville.
Speaker 2: I grew up in this area at all. Everyone's transplants.
Speaker 4: Yeah, come from New York, come from Florida, come from
Speaker 4: all over the place.
Speaker 3: What you're you're you know, you're touching the local boys
Speaker 3: back there.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, is that not true? Is there's so
Speaker 2: many people from out of town. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to come out the boys. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to say, like, it's a transient places. The
Speaker 1: book you know, read a book boys, and it's just
Speaker 1: a transient place.
Speaker 2: You know, are you stick to be um busting with
Speaker 2: the boys? I am stoked.
Speaker 4: I mean shit, man, Like I gotta be honest with
Speaker 4: you all. The last eight or nine months has been
Speaker 4: kind of crazy for me because I always envisioned this
Speaker 4: year of bliss and quiet when I retired, and I
Speaker 4: was very hesitant to do ESPN and agree to do
Speaker 4: like a short one year deal, and I was still
Speaker 4: obligated to do the podcast for another year. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll fuck it, I'll do I'll do ESPN. But getting
Speaker 4: into the media space has been way busier than I expected,
Speaker 4: and so I get asked to do podcasts probably three
Speaker 4: or four times a week, and that's our exaggeration, like
Speaker 4: literally three or four times a week. So for me,
Speaker 4: when I got like the ask from your crew that
Speaker 4: was like, hey, did he come down to Nashville to
Speaker 4: do this?
Speaker 2: I was like absolutely, absolutely, no hesitation. I'm super excited
Speaker 2: to be here.
Speaker 1: What about bust? One the boys is if there's three
Speaker 1: or four a week coming to you saying hey, come
Speaker 1: on our podcast? What about busting?
Speaker 2: Was like, so was it? The bus was a will?
Speaker 4: It was mostly will? Yeah, most usually great follow up,
Speaker 4: a great follow on Twitter, a great phenomenal teeth. Yes,
Speaker 4: he's hilarious. He had one of them need to body
Speaker 4: back somebody for JJ. Somebody was coming at him. Really's
Speaker 4: guy named.
Speaker 3: Chip and then jj JJ gave like a good response
Speaker 3: Tom And it was one of those things where you
Speaker 3: kind of like read through the bullsh like, hey, JJ,
Speaker 3: do you need do you need me to ask him
Speaker 3: for a favor?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I was so scared to clap back at people on
Speaker 4: Twitter when I was a player and then I was
Speaker 4: off of social media for like two years.
Speaker 2: It was it was an awesome time.
Speaker 4: But then when we started doing the podcast again, I
Speaker 4: was like I kind of gotta be on. But in retirement,
Speaker 4: I have zero problem lapping back. And I used to
Speaker 4: think about Kevin Durant. I'd be like, why is Kevin Durant?
Speaker 4: Why is Kevin Durant like clapping back. Well, he's the
Speaker 4: top five player. The guy's worth hundreds of millions of dollars,
Speaker 4: Like why does he find the time. But the reality
Speaker 4: is when you have the app on your phone and
Speaker 4: you check on it.
Speaker 2: It's human nature. You're gonna look at the mentions and
Speaker 2: like why not. It's very satisfying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very satisfy.
Speaker 2: And it's a super that guy in a body bag
Speaker 2: the other day with the you put him to put him.
Speaker 3: In the Yeah, So like.
Speaker 2: How's your swaddle game right now? My swallow game?
Speaker 3: Well now we're kind of, you know, we kind of
Speaker 3: we're kind of cheating now because we got the Ali
Speaker 3: swaddle because it's like voo that exists, Yes, that exists,
Speaker 3: and it is a good it's a very good swaddow.
Speaker 3: But before we got the Ali, my swadow was was
Speaker 3: actually getting pretty good.
Speaker 2: I was like in mid season four, before we got
Speaker 2: the Ali, that's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my wife only let me do the swaddle. She
Speaker 4: couldn't do it really for both our kids. Yeah, I was,
Speaker 4: and I went tight.
Speaker 1: I went, well, that hands has poken out when when
Speaker 1: you first start then that hands starts creeping, they start
Speaker 1: scratching their face.
Speaker 2: There's nothing, it's it's it's a wild thing.
Speaker 3: The swaddle was something that took very seriously at competitive Yes,
Speaker 3: like when they're kind of tugging, You're like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'll fucking show you.
Speaker 2: You want to you want to play games like that?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. From in there, I didn't
Speaker 2: really fight back too much. Makes you feel kind of
Speaker 2: bad after, but while you're.
Speaker 3: In it, you definitely like think, oh, this baby's trying me.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I absolutely get it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was telling Taylor like, uh oh, stoked
Speaker 3: that you were coming on because every every white kid
Speaker 3: in America when you're playing college basketball, they want to
Speaker 3: be able to shoot a ball like JJ Reddick. And
Speaker 3: I was more fired up now that you're coming on
Speaker 3: the bus because I was telling Taylor that you're legitimately
Speaker 3: one of the first ogs like in the in the
Speaker 3: active athlete world that was doing a podcast like you
Speaker 3: did yours for like five years now. You did it
Speaker 3: with like Yahoo and Ringer before you had to do
Speaker 3: your own thing. But just the fact that you're podcasting
Speaker 3: in those five years, like when we started Busting with
Speaker 3: the Boys, like low key to give your flowers a
Speaker 3: little bit, like you helped give me like confidence and
Speaker 3: like courage you like do Busting with the Boys kind
Speaker 3: of like a Pat McAfee and some of those guys
Speaker 3: who have kind of like pioneered the space. And so
Speaker 3: that's like, that's actually like a that's a huge reason
Speaker 3: like why I was fired up because I would look
Speaker 3: at old Man and the three, and you're obviously in
Speaker 3: the in the basketball space, so I never really like
Speaker 3: there's some out there you look and you're like all
Speaker 3: their kind of like competition and stuff, but you like
Speaker 3: you were since you were in the basketball side of it.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, let me see like what JJ's doing,
Speaker 2: like how he does his stuff.
Speaker 3: You retired on your own platform, like you own you
Speaker 3: like own your voice, you control your narrative.
Speaker 2: You give a platform for.
Speaker 3: Athletes, and so that's like why I'm so fired up
Speaker 3: that you're on the bus.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I never thought about that when I first started WOJ
Speaker 4: was launching a platform called The Vertical at Yahoo, and
Speaker 4: he asked me to write articles for him, and I
Speaker 4: got this like weird flashback to college, being like stressed
Speaker 4: out and then having to stay up all till six
Speaker 4: am to write a term paper.
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck that, well, which I don't want
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 4: And then he came back six months later it's like
Speaker 4: me and Chris Mannix are doing the pod Do you
Speaker 4: want your own pod? And I legitimately had never listened
Speaker 4: to a podcast before. My wife had listened to Cereal
Speaker 4: the season one about the love triangle and the murder
Speaker 4: and stuff. Oh I never I was like, I listened
Speaker 4: to it and I was like, I don't know what
Speaker 4: to do, Like this is not what I'm going for.
Speaker 4: And you know, when I started it, it was I
Speaker 4: thought at the time it was weird. I thought at
Speaker 4: the time, I was like, I'll just get some reps
Speaker 4: in case I want to do media. But then I
Speaker 4: realized that it like satisfied this curiosity in me, Like
Speaker 4: because I go to dinners or you know, I meet
Speaker 4: people and I'm like, I'm genuinely.
Speaker 2: Curious about people.
Speaker 4: I'm very interested in the human psyche and It's given
Speaker 4: me this like amazing ability to to like interact with people.
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, as you mentioned, there's
Speaker 4: nothing better as an athlete than like having your own
Speaker 4: platform and being able to control the narrative. And I've
Speaker 4: used it in some ways, probably positively and probably negative
Speaker 4: lead to do that, but like I just I enjoy
Speaker 4: having it. If there's anything that happens in my life,
Speaker 4: you know, it's as a player, and even as a
Speaker 4: retired player, I can just go on the pod and
Speaker 4: talk about it.
Speaker 1: When you were first starting your podcast, was there like that?
Speaker 1: Then in security that like, oh man, it was I
Speaker 1: put the start putting this out there while I'm playing.
Speaker 1: Am I going to be like oh yeah, Judge did
Speaker 1: My coach is going to think this way? My team
Speaker 1: is going to think a certain way, Like how did
Speaker 1: you deal with that situation?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I was fortunate because the clip the Clippers At the time.
Speaker 4: I get asked that question a lot. The truthful answer
Speaker 4: is anyone who is around me as a professional knew
Speaker 4: that my number one priority was basketball, even more so
Speaker 4: than my family. And I hate admitting that, but that's
Speaker 4: the truth. My entire day was structured around trying to
Speaker 4: be great at basketball. So no one that I worked
Speaker 4: with whatever question whether or not I was making the
Speaker 4: podcast a bigger priority than basketball, I think for me.
Speaker 2: And it's still this way.
Speaker 4: I still get a little bit of performance and performance
Speaker 4: anxiety when I when I I record a pod, because
Speaker 4: like I just want anything I do, I want it
Speaker 4: to be good. This is why I'm so mad that
Speaker 4: I lost to you guys in many basketball. No, I'm serious, like,
Speaker 4: I just want it to be good. And so it
Speaker 4: took twenty to thirty episodes where I like, legit wouldn't
Speaker 4: have to chug a beer before I started, just to
Speaker 4: calm myself down.
Speaker 2: Really I would chug.
Speaker 4: I would chug it was I was living at LA,
Speaker 4: so it's the North Coast Pilsner. I would chug a
Speaker 4: North Coast Pilsner, and and just to calm myself down,
Speaker 4: like okay, all right, you're gonna be all right. And
Speaker 4: I used to fucking keep I mean age like fifteen
Speaker 4: to twenty pages of notes on each person, and I
Speaker 4: would like have every question, I have a flow chart.
Speaker 2: I mean I overdid it.
Speaker 4: And now it's like I record and not do my notes,
Speaker 4: and I research and I work hard on it. But
Speaker 4: generally speaking, now it's just like it's natural, it's flows.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys have experienced the same thing. One
Speaker 4: hundred some episodes in. It gets easier.
Speaker 1: It's way easier because's you gonna understand, Like the more
Speaker 1: you do episodes, like I took us about twenty episodes.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while too, like we'll do an
Speaker 1: episode somebody, We'll call each other in the car. But
Speaker 1: that was like our go to in the beginning was
Speaker 1: do an episode driving away, call each other like, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think? And then we go back and
Speaker 1: forth on what we thought we both could have done better,
Speaker 1: or like hey, if I do this, maybe you say that,
Speaker 1: or like go off it this way, And it was
Speaker 1: it was a difficult, trying time because you're just kind
Speaker 1: of in this world that you know nothing about, and
Speaker 1: then you don't know if people are really gonna enjoy it.
Speaker 1: And then as you do it more, it kind of
Speaker 1: just becomes like you know what your audience likes and wants,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's much. It's probably easier for me
Speaker 1: and Will because we're best friends, so it's easy for
Speaker 1: us to come up here and because what we do
Speaker 1: in the podcast we.
Speaker 2: Literally do outside.
Speaker 4: So if it's just us too, it's never a difficult
Speaker 4: thing having a guest on. It's not a difficult thing
Speaker 4: for us because at the end of the day, we
Speaker 4: can bounce back off each other, you know, and we wit.
Speaker 2: But it took us time in reps to learn that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with Tommy, I think that was part
Speaker 4: of the reason that I wanted Tommy as a co host,
Speaker 4: which our last season of The Ringer. I know he
Speaker 4: was trying to get me to do it, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I could. I'll be honestly, I don't really
Speaker 4: want to do it anymore. So we did it for
Speaker 4: a few months together and then COVID hit Pandemic hit
Speaker 4: World shutdown. We have both simultaneously discovered Zoom and we're like, oh,
Speaker 4: we don't have to do these in person. We can
Speaker 4: do them, you know, over the internet and put some
Speaker 4: content out during COVID and then we you know, Bill
Speaker 4: wouldn't let us own the podcast, so we were like,
Speaker 4: all right, we're gonna leave. But I think having like
Speaker 4: that was my motivation for involving Tommy and just having
Speaker 4: somebody like as a backup bounce ideas off to.
Speaker 2: Give me a pause during it. It's helpful.
Speaker 4: It's helpful, by the way, even this year working for
Speaker 4: ESPN and kind of having a real sense of the
Speaker 4: landscape of sports media, like being in it and getting
Speaker 4: to understand it a little bit better. Like we are
Speaker 4: in the first wave of athlete driven content, the first wave,
Speaker 4: and like you mentioned you like I was a pioneer,
Speaker 4: like I think all of us are. I think all
Speaker 4: of us in this first inning, first couple innings, are
Speaker 4: pioneers in it.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think this is like a novelty something that's
Speaker 4: going to be a short lived thing. I think the
Speaker 4: future of sports media is going to be athlete driven.
Speaker 4: That's not to say that traditional journalists won't have their
Speaker 4: place in it, but.
Speaker 2: Honestly, people are star for this.
Speaker 4: Like we have been fed and soda for the last
Speaker 4: fifteen or twenty years. And being able to peel back
Speaker 4: the curtain a little bit and offer someone a three
Speaker 4: course meal with a leafy green salad.
Speaker 2: I think people eat it up.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: I really don't. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think not just that, but like the suit and
Speaker 1: tie like got to be super proper all the time.
Speaker 1: I think for us is we're kind of learning like
Speaker 1: people want to feel like, oh, these guys are just
Speaker 1: like me k type of vibe, like we might play sports,
Speaker 1: but I mean we're sitting here.
Speaker 2: In shorts, t shirt. Barstool does.
Speaker 4: One of the best parts about hanging out Barstool one
Speaker 4: of the best parts with You've mentioned.
Speaker 3: Bill not letting you own the podcast during that time.
Speaker 3: You said that was during the COVID during Yeah, this
Speaker 3: was so.
Speaker 2: Our contract was running up.
Speaker 4: I think it ended like July thirty first or August first,
Speaker 4: so it's basically two weeks into the bubble. And I
Speaker 4: told Bill in June, I was like, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: just so you know, like we are like going to
Speaker 4: other companies and being like, do you want to help.
Speaker 2: Us sell ads on our podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I want to be transparent with you
Speaker 4: that this is happening, so please make an offer. And
Speaker 4: you know, they made an offer, but they were the
Speaker 4: only company that was like, you can't own it. And
Speaker 4: this was right around the time of of the Ringer
Speaker 4: sale to Spotify and so and not to.
Speaker 3: Mention Barstool with color Daddy, like there was a lot
Speaker 3: of IP conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And so that was just it wasn't even
Speaker 4: it wasn't even a money issue because it honestly, honestly,
Speaker 4: the Ringer offered us more guaranteed money than anyone else.
Speaker 4: But it was just like I just wanted to own
Speaker 4: the IP, even like simple stuff that you want to
Speaker 4: do down the line with, you know, conversations or episodes.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, if I don't have control of that,
Speaker 2: like what good is it? You know?
Speaker 4: And so it really just became bottom line, like are
Speaker 4: you gonna let me own it? And he said no,
Speaker 4: And I said, okay, no hard feelings, that's fine, We're
Speaker 4: moving on.
Speaker 2: No what was it called before the JJ Ready podcast?
Speaker 2: And he wouldn't let Yeah, yeah, and and they So
Speaker 2: we lost.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the same thing that barstool with McAfee. Yeah,
Speaker 4: is Pat McAfee showing us Pat McAfee two point zero?
Speaker 2: Correct, for sure, But you just almost think, like, man,
Speaker 2: it's we lost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we lost kind of crazy, right, We lost
Speaker 4: our subscriber base obviously are to be the biggest thing, right,
Speaker 4: And I had done it twice already because I lost
Speaker 4: it when I left the Ringer. Yeahoo, I love I
Speaker 4: lost mine then, so I've had to restart three times basically, which.
Speaker 3: Well, what's huge, but I think speaks so good to
Speaker 3: your audience. It was like very like intriguing when like
Speaker 3: learning about you when we were doing Bustle with Boys,
Speaker 3: was that, Yeah, you guys amassed one hundred thousand subscribers
Speaker 3: on YouTube within six weeks.
Speaker 2: On our old Man. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean that's the thing that we realized early on.
Speaker 4: It was like an epiphany moment we had my last
Speaker 4: year with the Ringer, we did Zion in person in
Speaker 4: LA and it was his first long form interview. And
Speaker 4: we did Jimmy right before literally two weeks before COVID
Speaker 4: and March eleventh and the you know, the world shutdown.
Speaker 4: Basically we put that on YouTube and those are still
Speaker 4: the two most watched videos on the Ringer YouTube channel.
Speaker 4: So is this epiphany moment We're like, oh, not only
Speaker 4: is it audio, Like podcast should be audio, they should
Speaker 4: be video, and then we should probably put stuff on
Speaker 4: social and so like all of those things helped just
Speaker 4: grow the brand and grow the audience. And you know,
Speaker 4: I talk with people all the time that either want
Speaker 4: to do business with a podcast at or you know,
Speaker 4: our contract is up, and so you know we're we're
Speaker 4: talking about potentially, you know, doing deals with other people.
Speaker 4: But it's like, I don't care about anything else. I
Speaker 4: just want to grow the audience. I just want people
Speaker 4: to appreciate the content. When I have a guest on,
Speaker 4: I want people to walk away and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of that guy now. Like Pat Beverly
Speaker 4: is a great example of that. Like he is a
Speaker 4: divisive player because of whatever however you view his antics
Speaker 4: on the court. But the greatest compliment I can get
Speaker 4: is like I have Pat Beverly on the show, and
Speaker 4: people like I used to hate Pat Beverley.
Speaker 2: I like him now. That to me is like that's it.
Speaker 2: That's the juice for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: And you said yeah, and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 2: on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the juice for me is basically coming on YouTube
Speaker 1: mostly and like seeing like subscriber, seeing people commenting and
Speaker 1: like just loving what we're doing. It's it's still a
Speaker 1: cret thought process to me that we're sitting here on
Speaker 1: mics on cameras and you when you play a sport
Speaker 1: your whole life and you think, oh, this is all
Speaker 1: really ever be good at? This is my this is
Speaker 1: my one crack at the big whatever I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: do in this world, and then you go branch off
Speaker 1: and do something like this, and it's like you don't
Speaker 1: know if it's gonna work. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of blowing up in a way that
Speaker 1: you're like, I can't believe people like this because it's
Speaker 1: so natural and easy for us to do.
Speaker 4: So it's just fun. I do love it when people
Speaker 4: come on this this say I thought I didn't like
Speaker 4: this guy, but I do like this guy. But for me,
Speaker 4: it's just like it's given me. I feel safer in
Speaker 4: my own life after doing a podcast as far as
Speaker 4: like a session, Yeah, but it is, Uh, it's actually
Speaker 4: thing I think about all the time. There used to
Speaker 4: be a point in my life where I was like football,
Speaker 4: that's like the only main income I have. Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I've made a lot of money in football, but like
Speaker 4: what if this and what if that? Like, am I
Speaker 4: going to ever be able to you know, I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna have to go work a nine to five job
Speaker 4: or something like that. And then once we started doing
Speaker 4: and I started really making money, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna be okay no matter what, Like, no
Speaker 4: matter what, I do in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine. Like this was like that step,
Speaker 1: that little piece for me to be like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be all right and thing's gonna work out.
Speaker 4: I knew going into my last year of my contract
Speaker 4: with the Pelicans that it was gonna be my last year, and.
Speaker 2: The other side of that was so terrifying. It was
Speaker 2: so scary.
Speaker 4: And I and I had had a podcast, but I
Speaker 4: again it was like it was podcasting my future.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 4: And it almost feels weird to say podcasting is my future.
Speaker 4: Just you're like is that even a thing? But I, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's the thing.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but like what what you were like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you first kind of started like is this really
Speaker 1: a feel? And like the last three four years I
Speaker 1: called come into it.
Speaker 4: My parents, actually my parents called me because they were
Speaker 4: worried about me. It was a New Year's morning. We
Speaker 4: had played a road game in Oklahoma City. I think
Speaker 4: the night before I got in late. I went to
Speaker 4: bed at like three am, woke up at eight. I
Speaker 4: had a miscall for my mom. So I called my
Speaker 4: mom back and she was like, you know, we're really
Speaker 4: worried about you. My family was in Brooklyn and I
Speaker 4: was living on my own in New Orleans, and I
Speaker 4: was like super emotional because on Christmas morning, we were
Speaker 4: in Miami and my wife had sent me a video
Speaker 4: of my now yeah, five year old running down the
Speaker 4: stairs to the Christmas tree. And I basically checked out
Speaker 4: at that moment, like I was like, I just want
Speaker 4: to be home. I don't want to do this and
Speaker 4: my mom. I told my mom, was like, I just
Speaker 4: want to get in my car and drive from New
Speaker 4: Orleans back to New York City. I just want to
Speaker 4: be home. And She's like, why don't you? And I said,
Speaker 4: because I'm fucking terrified, Mom, Like, I'm so scared of
Speaker 4: what the rest of my life is. Like, think about
Speaker 4: you guys, play U sports. I'm guessing I started at
Speaker 4: seven years old. I'm thirty seven now, I retired at
Speaker 4: thirty seven. Thirty years of my life. I'm not great
Speaker 4: at math, but I would guarantee that's probably high eighty
Speaker 4: percent of my life. Eighty nine percent of my life
Speaker 4: has been wrapped up in sports. My identity, my ego, structure,
Speaker 4: everything is so ingrained in being a basketball player.
Speaker 2: And like letting go of that, letting go of that thing. Fuck, dude,
Speaker 2: it was terrifying.
Speaker 4: But I can say to your point about like feeling
Speaker 4: safe about it, like, no, I can. I can do
Speaker 4: other things, and maybe it's maybe it's this for a while,
Speaker 4: maybe it's something else, but I'm it's a weird place
Speaker 4: to be, you know, basically a year out of retirement
Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, I'm gonna be fine, my life's
Speaker 4: gonna be okay, everything's gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: Getting to that other side of it, because you're right,
Speaker 3: like it's that example. We spend, however, many years of
Speaker 3: our life just doing one thing, and I feel like
Speaker 3: like you're probably the same way. Like even when you're
Speaker 3: in it, you have interests, and every kind of player
Speaker 3: and athletes feels like they have something they're kind of
Speaker 3: lining themselves up for. They have a curiosity or a
Speaker 3: i'm gonna do this afterwards, everybody feels confident. But when
Speaker 3: those like for me, it was just like three years ago,
Speaker 3: I thought that could potentially have been my last year,
Speaker 3: and you're just like I was getting into real estate,
Speaker 3: I was journaling up the podcast what it could look like,
Speaker 3: but I was just terrified. I'm like, man, I'm not
Speaker 3: playing a whole lot this year, like this could be it,
Speaker 3: Like I truly have to. I've always been the guy
Speaker 3: that felt comfortable and be like, oh, I'll figure something out,
Speaker 3: like I already have a few things going blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: but man, I really have to figure out like what
Speaker 3: I enjoy because this could be coming faster than what
Speaker 3: I realize. And and for me with the podcast stuff,
Speaker 3: like it's it's like like you were saying it like
Speaker 3: scratches that curiosity that itach that you have.
Speaker 2: Like I love like talking to people.
Speaker 3: I feel like if I get to learn something about somebody,
Speaker 3: like we've had on like Darren Waller, Max, We've had
Speaker 3: on a lot of incredible people, but a couple of
Speaker 3: those stories saying now where Max is talking about his sobriety,
Speaker 3: Darren Waller's talking about his sobriety and just going in
Speaker 3: depth and like like giving athletes kind of a platform
Speaker 3: to talk about stuff, and like you said, like I'll
Speaker 3: you'll have people call and be like, yo, I didn't
Speaker 3: fuck with that guy, but that's really cool, or it's
Speaker 3: just like yo, I like this person, but man I
Speaker 3: did not know he fucking went through that. And it's
Speaker 3: like really cool that you guys are able to like
Speaker 3: peel back layers because they feel comfortable sitting in front
Speaker 3: of you. Because we're all athletes, right, Because a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff that you'll give a microphone or the reporters
Speaker 3: or something you're either in the locker room when you're
Speaker 3: you're your backup or somebody that you're competing with sitting
Speaker 3: next to you, Like guys are around there, you're not walls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's up.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna you're not gonna actually give reporters and
Speaker 3: talk about stuff, not because you won't give it to
Speaker 3: the reporter. One you won't give it to the reporter,
Speaker 3: but also like the environment you're in, you're just not
Speaker 3: your guards up, like you said, egos are going and
Speaker 3: like when you're on something like this, I just feel
Speaker 3: like everybody feels more comfortable when they're talking with like
Speaker 3: athletes or there's more of like an unfiltered approach, like
Speaker 3: being for the boys. We tell everybody if there's something
Speaker 3: that you don't like, let us know. We'll take it off.
Speaker 3: Like we've talked about jerk off stories that somebody's wanted
Speaker 3: theirs off.
Speaker 2: We kept ours on, but somewhere.
Speaker 6: It's like, yo, just be yourself.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, like you know, just let it fly
Speaker 2: and be yourself. And if you're yeah, yeah, you're driving
Speaker 2: very much. You want to take a coup, we'll take
Speaker 2: it off.
Speaker 1: People ask me all the time what this podcast is about.
Speaker 1: I literally go, I think it's just like a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys in the locker room talking. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: the conversations you would have. But another thing to what
Speaker 1: you were saying is, like we talk about all the time,
Speaker 1: like how you have like these blinders on how you're
Speaker 1: so zoomed into the world that you live in, and
Speaker 1: like not only let's say besides the podcast, like football,
Speaker 1: Like I go and play football, and then I spend
Speaker 1: time in the off season watching free agency, and then
Speaker 1: I spend time watching the combine. Then I watched the
Speaker 1: draft and see you the guys I'm gonna go again
Speaker 1: soon what they're gonna be like, and then the like
Speaker 1: shortly after that, the schedule comes out and then you're
Speaker 1: in OTAs and then you have that six weeks break
Speaker 1: where you're just so focused and in like your fight
Speaker 1: camp going into camp.
Speaker 2: It's a year round thing.
Speaker 1: And what this has allowed us to do or especially
Speaker 1: myself because I get super caught up in like thinking
Speaker 1: like everyone is so focused and dialed in on Tennessee
Speaker 1: Titan football when really, if I just like zoom out
Speaker 1: for a second, it's like there's a there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of people that are but for the most part, like,
Speaker 1: ain't nobody gives a shit what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like I'll be in camp and it'll be the
Speaker 1: middle of August and it's I'm right in the middle.
Speaker 1: The start is too far to see and the and
Speaker 1: the end's not close enough, and you're just kind of
Speaker 1: like fucking in it. And you have a day off
Speaker 1: and you go drive home and you say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go cruise down Broadway.
Speaker 2: Real quick and see what's going on.
Speaker 1: And you go down Broadway and you see every type
Speaker 1: of person walking up and down, drinking, having a good
Speaker 1: time going. They don't give two shits at the Tennessee
Speaker 1: Times had practice today, or we were watching film, or
Speaker 1: who we're gonna play. And it allows you to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be It's gonna be all right. It's
Speaker 1: kind of comes down to is like, oh, this isn't
Speaker 1: as overwhelming consuming to everybody as you think it is.
Speaker 4: I experienced that at Duke because I felt like I
Speaker 4: feel like I was like they all wanted it there.
Speaker 2: Like I was in a fishball at Duke, and.
Speaker 4: When I got on the other side of it, I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, you know, like Duke basketball, like it's
Speaker 4: well known, but it's not actually like that important. But
Speaker 4: at the time, it felt like every single thing I
Speaker 4: did was live or die. It felt very intense to me.
Speaker 4: I did to asker you guys a question because I
Speaker 4: was my best friend. He works in television in LA
Speaker 4: and I had lunch with him yesterday and I was
Speaker 4: talking about the other side of sports, you know, being
Speaker 4: retired and whatever, and he's like, you know, you used
Speaker 4: to used to say this shit all the time when
Speaker 4: when you were a player, Like used to say you
Speaker 4: wanted to quit, used to say you wanted to retire.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm curious if you guys, in your career,
Speaker 4: even if it was a great season, that moment you're
Speaker 4: talking about when you're driving down Broadway and you're like,
Speaker 4: people are just having a.
Speaker 2: Normal good time.
Speaker 4: Like there's so many things that I felt like I
Speaker 4: miss missed out on, like Christmas being an example. I
Speaker 4: think I think I played on Christmas Day twelve times
Speaker 4: in fifteen years, and I carried I carried like a
Speaker 4: little bit of resentment about that, Like I don't know
Speaker 4: what it was. And there were moments where I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I could do something, why don't I do
Speaker 4: something else? Like I started thinking about that. Actually it
Speaker 4: was right after I had my first kid, because I
Speaker 4: could change my perspective about my time basically, And I
Speaker 4: don't know, it's like I was. I was definitely still
Speaker 4: into it. I was definitely still committed, even more so
Speaker 4: at the end of my career. I was a fucking psycho,
Speaker 4: But like I still carried like a little bit of
Speaker 4: resentment about all the things that went into it that
Speaker 4: prevented me from doing other things.
Speaker 2: Did you guys, Do you guys feel that at all?
Speaker 3: If I feel like me feeling it was probably if anything,
Speaker 3: in the last couple of years, like when I know,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like I have a foot out the door,
Speaker 3: like I kind of know what I want to lean
Speaker 3: into and do when I'm done now with bustling with
Speaker 3: the boys and everything else, and so you think about
Speaker 3: it a lot more like when I'm in the season,
Speaker 3: but I would say, like the first large the first
Speaker 3: like seven years, I more so think like I can't
Speaker 3: wait to do this when football's over with, like because
Speaker 3: it would be the same.
Speaker 2: Thing like with Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: You don't get to do any of the holidays like
Speaker 3: during the season, like Thanksgiving, Halloween, Christmas, all these things.
Speaker 3: New Years, it'd be more so like I can't wait
Speaker 3: to do this, like when I get done.
Speaker 4: Playing complaining not complaining. No, But it's because it's a
Speaker 4: great life and I'm I was. I never felt any
Speaker 4: sense of like ingratitude. I was always grateful. I was
Speaker 4: always you know, I would still like even my fifty
Speaker 4: and you're super frustrated, Like dude, I have fucking thirty
Speaker 4: six and I'm in the NBA, Like how fucking cool
Speaker 4: is this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I loved it
Speaker 2: every day, but still there were there were moments. There
Speaker 2: were moments.
Speaker 1: Everyone goes through the grasses greener And the thing is,
Speaker 1: there's so many different lives you can live on this world,
Speaker 1: and so everyone always daydreams and think about what if.
Speaker 1: I always I remember being in college and like having
Speaker 1: to get my weight up because I came into college
Speaker 1: super underweight. I remember thinking to myself, like, man, when
Speaker 1: I'm done playing football, I'm gonna be so like jacked
Speaker 1: and skinny, and like I still to this day, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I cannot I can't wait to fucking lose sixty pounds,
Speaker 1: you know, And I can't wait to do this and this,
Speaker 1: and there was I mean, we talked about it. We
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, Like during the season last year,
Speaker 1: the season I was having I had him over the house,
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna retire. I'm done, like and you
Speaker 1: kind of but that's when you're like so in it,
Speaker 1: and then you start to realize, like, hey, you're in
Speaker 1: the NFL.
Speaker 2: How cool is this? Regardless, like it's just hope.
Speaker 3: You're living.
Speaker 1: Every kid's dream has to be a professional athlete at
Speaker 1: it's some position.
Speaker 2: We did it.
Speaker 3: We made gratulations, we fucking made congratulations.
Speaker 2: We made it, and it's just cool. It's a cool vibe.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there are there's always something you want to
Speaker 1: do other than what you're doing at that moment.
Speaker 2: YEA, yeah, I think I've retired with the last three years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every year, this is it, this is known will
Speaker 4: every single year he's been like this is the last one?
Speaker 2: Is the last one? And now we're talking about your ten.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just crazy. Do you think, like I'm.
Speaker 3: Curious too, do you think there's a difference in basketball
Speaker 3: and football like doing the media stuff and having personalities?
Speaker 3: But I think because I think it's like it's wild
Speaker 3: that Draymond has a podcast. I think it's awesome, but
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, like he's got some stones. When you
Speaker 3: go do a podcast like right after a game and
Speaker 3: talking about the game, like, do you feel like there's
Speaker 3: a difference there because you obviously did the pot for
Speaker 3: like five years, Like what's the sense? Like, what's the
Speaker 3: sense like when you're around all the guys, Because when
Speaker 3: I went to Vegas last year, like everybody kind of
Speaker 3: knew about the podcast.
Speaker 2: I know everybody liked this, so it was all good.
Speaker 3: But when I was in the building and seeing guys
Speaker 3: work and appreciating kind of like, damn, like these dudes
Speaker 3: like fucking they love like I love, But I'm like
Speaker 3: they love ball way more than the spot that I'm
Speaker 3: at in my career right now, to where you almost
Speaker 3: you almost feel bad bringing up any of the stuff
Speaker 3: because you don't want to seem like you're like not
Speaker 3: in it as much as they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I go back to that point. I don't.
Speaker 4: I go back to like any teammate I've ever been around,
Speaker 4: like saw the dedication of work I put in, So
Speaker 4: I never sort of worried about that. On the basketball
Speaker 4: football side, I mean, that's probably part of a larger
Speaker 4: conversation just about the empowerment that NBA players have right now,
Speaker 4: the player empowerment era that we're in the middle of
Speaker 4: right now, relative to the NFL. And I don't think
Speaker 4: the NFL has gotten to the level that the NBA has.
Speaker 4: And probably some of that is are guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 2: Yeah they are.
Speaker 3: They run the league more.
Speaker 2: You know, again, it's you get the right guys. You
Speaker 2: can not predict, Like it's a lot more competive now,
Speaker 2: but it's a lot easier to.
Speaker 3: Predict what Lebron and these boys on this team, like
Speaker 3: these teams are going to see each other in the final.
Speaker 4: There's also just inherently because of the way your cap works,
Speaker 4: there's there's like more parody in the NFL and because
Speaker 4: it's a two way sport like.
Speaker 2: In the NBA.
Speaker 4: It's like if you're one of the five best players
Speaker 4: or ten best players, like.
Speaker 2: You fucking run it. You run it.
Speaker 4: Some guys don't take advantage of that. Some guys do,
Speaker 4: But there's just more. I just believe inherently there's more power.
Speaker 4: If you are Lebron James, or you're a Kawhi Leonard
Speaker 4: or Kevin Durant, there's you just carry more than even
Speaker 4: a great All Pro NFL player does. It's just the
Speaker 4: way the sport works.
Speaker 1: Plus, guys probably when you say run it, you mean
Speaker 1: like they run practice and meetings and they say, we're
Speaker 1: fucking this is what we're doing.
Speaker 2: There's input on everything. You have input on everything. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys like Aaron.
Speaker 1: Rodgers are like Peyton Manning. There's very few guys kind.
Speaker 4: Of but I think every team in the all thirty
Speaker 4: teams probably you could probably name five guys in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Ten guys.
Speaker 4: Maybe you'd name the best wide receiver the NFL, and yeah,
Speaker 4: but that he's not he's not having input on like
Speaker 4: who they should draft, right, they should trade? Yes, where
Speaker 4: in the in the NBA, the top two guys on
Speaker 4: pretty much every team. I mean I had that with
Speaker 4: the Clippers, and I was like the fourth or fifth guy,
Speaker 4: you know, I had. I would talk to Doc, I
Speaker 4: would talk to L Frank, I would talk to Steve
Speaker 4: Balmer like I had that, you know, I had that
Speaker 4: with Philly when I went there, Like I wasn't even
Speaker 4: one of the best players, And I just I just
Speaker 4: think that because of I don't know if it's less
Speaker 4: guys or just like you know, we're on the court
Speaker 4: the whole time. You know, in the NFL you're playing
Speaker 4: offense or you're playing defense. And to a degree too,
Speaker 4: it's like the NBA, a great player can impact the
Speaker 4: game more than a great NFL player because I don't
Speaker 4: want to no IgE make broad gener rallies, but in general,
Speaker 4: like in the NFL, like on a play, you have
Speaker 4: a specific task.
Speaker 2: In the NBA, it's it's.
Speaker 4: A little more organic where a player's talent can sort
Speaker 4: of shine in a bunch of different Right, does.
Speaker 2: That make that that you guys?
Speaker 3: The mannings thereon Rodgers, the Tom Brady's like, if you play,
Speaker 3: if you play good offense, like running the ball, and
Speaker 3: you can keep them off the field, like you can
Speaker 3: keep those guys off the field, like those quarterbacks need
Speaker 3: the defense, and the special teams in literally everybody just
Speaker 3: as much as they feel.
Speaker 2: Like they can affect basketball.
Speaker 1: It seems like, well it seems like not knowing basketball,
Speaker 1: but like it seems like you have two or three
Speaker 1: dudes you can take over and do whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: you want.
Speaker 2: Almost yeah, you know what I'm saying. Pretty much like
Speaker 2: when Lebron.
Speaker 4: As long as those dudes were like good in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two and not the last time they were good
Speaker 4: was like twenty sixteen, Like the Lakers this year, right,
Speaker 4: they built a team around guys that were good six
Speaker 4: years as?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Is that? Why?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 2: Is that why Lebron? That man? Though? Yeah, yeah he
Speaker 2: still is.
Speaker 3: I mean where would you rank him in the top
Speaker 3: ten today?
Speaker 2: I mean he's in the top ten.
Speaker 4: I don't know the top five though, it's hard to
Speaker 4: judge based on this year, just because of how bad
Speaker 4: that team was and how bad badly that roster was constructed.
Speaker 4: You know, I probably to a degree the Brooklyn that's
Speaker 4: not as bad of a roster but also equally bad
Speaker 4: because it's the NBA has changed, and it's very recent,
Speaker 4: but the NBA has changed, Like I really believe you
Speaker 4: need homegrown talent.
Speaker 2: Like you have the draft.
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's the inefficiency in the marketplace. You have
Speaker 4: to draft well, you have to have homegrown talent. You
Speaker 4: can't buy championships anymore because you need all the ancillary pieces.
Speaker 4: You can go get two or three great players that
Speaker 4: are super max or max players. You need really good
Speaker 4: players three through seven, three through eight. And if you're
Speaker 4: going to have two or three Max guys, those guys
Speaker 4: have to be on rookie contracts or you have to
Speaker 4: be really good with finding bargain players in free agency.
Speaker 2: But if you okay, so if you're the La Rams.
Speaker 1: They went and they didn't do anything in the draft,
Speaker 1: and there's fifty three guys on a roster in the NFL,
Speaker 1: how come you can't do that in the NBA anymore?
Speaker 1: Like it seems like it'd be way easier to go
Speaker 1: pay seven or eight guys and then and then have
Speaker 1: them be a super team.
Speaker 2: Are you saying, do you see? You see that can't
Speaker 2: happen anymore?
Speaker 1: Once when the Rams just did that with way more guys,
Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying to say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm not again, I haven't put my GM hat on
Speaker 4: to be an NFL GM. Yeah, I have put it
Speaker 4: on to be an NBA GM, right, And it's just
Speaker 4: the general way our our cap works. So there's a
Speaker 4: there's a cap, and then there's a luxury tax, and
Speaker 4: there's a there's a hard cap, an apron, there's a
Speaker 4: you know, the difference between the luxury tax and the
Speaker 4: hard cap is like an apron. So once you get
Speaker 4: into like two max players, then it's like, all right,
Speaker 4: we have thirteen roster spots we need to fill out with. Essentially,
Speaker 4: the supermaxes are so high now, essentially like forty million dollars,
Speaker 4: so on average, you're going to pay guys three million
Speaker 4: dollars a year, which is what the Lakers did this year.
Speaker 4: They signed you know, Avery Bradley, Trevor Reza uh DeAndre Jordan,
Speaker 4: like all these guys on minimum contracts. Well, if you're
Speaker 4: a free agent and you're trying to get paid and
Speaker 4: another team has let's say the mid level, which is
Speaker 4: ten million dollars a year, you're probably gonna go take
Speaker 4: that versus two point five, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's just the nature of the salary cap. So
Speaker 4: unless you have those guys that you drafted and they're
Speaker 4: still on their rookie contract, and you're able to pay
Speaker 4: those players once they become free agents because you have
Speaker 4: their bird rights.
Speaker 2: But that's the challenge, the bird rights, bird rights? What's
Speaker 2: the bird rights? Bird rights?
Speaker 4: Basically, if you're drafted by a team and then you're
Speaker 4: you're a free agent, and that team is over the the.
Speaker 2: What the salary the what's the star cap? Yeah, salar cap.
Speaker 4: If you're over the Sellard cap, you can resign them.
Speaker 4: Came in with Larry Bird. So like if when I
Speaker 4: signed with Philly on the one year deal, they didn't
Speaker 4: have my bird rights the following summer, so when Lebron
Speaker 4: didn't sign there, they signed me on another one year deal.
Speaker 4: Had I re signed there, they could have gone over
Speaker 4: the luxury tax because after two years you have early
Speaker 4: bird rights, after three you have full bird rights.
Speaker 1: And this is all because of Larry Bird. It's all
Speaker 1: because of Larry Bird. Do you care to explain that
Speaker 1: situation to me at all?
Speaker 4: I again, I not a complete basketball historian, but my
Speaker 4: general knowledge of the situation is that the salary cap
Speaker 4: came into place sometime in the nineteen eighties and Larry
Speaker 4: Bird's rookie contract was over and the Celtics wanted to
Speaker 4: resign him, but they couldn't go over the salary cap
Speaker 4: to resign him. So there was a rule put in
Speaker 4: place in the collective Barging Agreement that you could resign
Speaker 4: your own free agents to go over the salary cap
Speaker 4: as long as you had bird rights.
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, that was a good explanation. That's a
Speaker 2: great explanation.
Speaker 3: The Well, not a historian, but here's exactly what you
Speaker 3: need to know in for the for the Rams question,
Speaker 3: I feel like they've been kind of cooking that team
Speaker 3: up for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean like each year they've kind of added a
Speaker 3: different place. And mind you, they drafted Aaron Donald. They
Speaker 3: drafted they've had it. They had Aaron Donald. He realized like, okay,
Speaker 3: they missed, they're missing a qbpiece. They were able to
Speaker 3: trade Mats Stafford, and they probably feel Stafford. They got
Speaker 3: Obj and they were close enough if they just needed
Speaker 3: if they got like the OBJ and the vond Mill
Speaker 3: and they probably sat there they're like, hey, fuck these
Speaker 3: draft picks, Like, let's try to win the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 4: I was mund it fascinating with the NFL, Like how
Speaker 4: you guys can sign a contract and like two years later,
Speaker 4: like a new contract happens. We're like we, you know,
Speaker 4: we sign a contract, like, we can't renegotiate our contract
Speaker 4: if we're gonna make Let's say a guy's gonna make
Speaker 4: twenty million dollars and a team wants to go sign
Speaker 4: another player. They're not gonna go to that player and
Speaker 4: be like, hey, will you take ten next year? You know,
Speaker 4: it's like yeah, no, it's just like guaranteed, like that's
Speaker 4: what you get.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's a real issue on Harry.
Speaker 4: Beard is like it's like this guy's cat, he's gonna
Speaker 4: make thirty seven million dollars, but his cap hits thirteen
Speaker 4: and it all.
Speaker 1: It really depends on that ship. To me, it depends
Speaker 1: on teams and how much like money they have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like if you're if your owner has lots of money,
Speaker 1: really the cat doesn't really matter, right because we'll be
Speaker 1: making ten million dollars and his cap it's going to
Speaker 1: be seven. Yeah, and we're gonna say, all right, hey,
Speaker 1: well we're gonna give you nine million dollars in a
Speaker 1: signing bonus right now, So now your capit's one and
Speaker 1: you're making minimum this year.
Speaker 3: It's just a crazy concept. Yeah, it really doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: and we have a lot of tenders.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of Like the tenders are wild.
Speaker 2: The fifth year.
Speaker 1: There's a fifth year option where if you're a first
Speaker 1: round you're a first round draft pick, it's a four
Speaker 1: year contract with an option for the team to pick
Speaker 1: up a fifth year option. Mind you, you can get franchise
Speaker 1: tag twice too, because you can literally play seven years
Speaker 1: on one deal.
Speaker 2: Basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're out playing your contract, your rookie,
Speaker 1: we're about to get paid, they can put a fifth.
Speaker 2: Year option on you.
Speaker 1: And the fifth year option is like you make an
Speaker 1: average of what the top ten guys are making or
Speaker 1: something like that, which is usually top three or four
Speaker 1: guys make a lot of money and there's a big
Speaker 1: there's a big difference in the bottom, so you kind
Speaker 1: of average out position at your position, and then you
Speaker 1: can get actually get another I think you can put
Speaker 1: another option on the guy.
Speaker 2: Again. No, that's a fresh eye stack. That's fresh eye stack.
Speaker 3: It's the average of the top three, right, Yeah, they
Speaker 3: have the top three players. But yeah, you can just
Speaker 3: crazy on these one year one year deals, and they
Speaker 3: have your rights for like Taylor said, like up to
Speaker 3: seven years if they actually wanted to. But rookies nowadays,
Speaker 3: like if you start out performing your deal, like going
Speaker 3: into that fifth year, if like they try a fifth
Speaker 3: year option, you guys are getting a lot. You know,
Speaker 3: guys are like holding out or saying that they won't
Speaker 3: play something like that.
Speaker 2: Guys will hold out.
Speaker 1: And usually what teams do is they'll pick up your
Speaker 1: fifth year option and then they'll negotiate as you're.
Speaker 2: Going to your fourth year or your fifth year.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really it doesn't really matter anymore, but it
Speaker 1: just gives them more time. Just in case, I signed
Speaker 1: my second contract going into my fourth year, but they
Speaker 1: already picked up my fifth year option.
Speaker 2: They have to pick it up by what your third year,
Speaker 2: like by like mayor may or third year. It's a
Speaker 2: it's a wild deal. It's a wild deal.
Speaker 3: The it's it's crazy when you when you're an NFL
Speaker 3: player and you guys are we're all sitting here talking
Speaker 3: about money and stuff like that, and then we look
Speaker 3: at the NBA.
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, it's fucking wild. How these guys
Speaker 2: kind of just run the show.
Speaker 3: It really is just like, we're like, mother fuck like
Speaker 3: these you are just making Like I think Derek Carr
Speaker 3: literally I didn't even play that much, right right right?
Speaker 2: Ten million dollars dude.
Speaker 4: Derek Carr signed his contract, not this most recent one,
Speaker 4: but the one before that, and somebody tweeted him it
Speaker 4: was like one hundred and twenty million dollar country or
Speaker 4: something like that, and he's like, hey, congratulations, you make
Speaker 4: as much as a sixth man in the NBA.
Speaker 2: Now that's not true.
Speaker 1: Well that someone says like that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's just fucking wild.
Speaker 2: That's but the money is like, have you been announce
Speaker 2: starty and made a nice little.
Speaker 4: My two year deal with the Pelicans was nice. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I made like thirteen and a half or
Speaker 4: something a year and you were in the top five.
Speaker 4: And I wasn't a sorry, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's good for you.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking that's crazy, Like I didn't play either, give
Speaker 3: me that, that's crazy. If you're not a starter and
Speaker 3: a half million dollars different, it's different.
Speaker 2: I don't know how different. How is it?
Speaker 4: What do you I play twenty eight minutes a game
Speaker 4: and scored over fifteen points, was second the league in
Speaker 4: three point percentage.
Speaker 2: Go off game.
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, listen, a guy, a guy in the
Speaker 4: NFL who's not a starter might play ten snaps a
Speaker 4: game like there's a that's my point.
Speaker 2: There's a difference. So you're still getting kick me. I'm
Speaker 2: right here on the bust.
Speaker 3: Look at me.
Speaker 2: You might not play stuff in the NFL. He's just like,
Speaker 2: just look at me, man. I didn't say it ten mil.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. You're you're paid.
Speaker 4: You're paid in the NBA based on production, and so
Speaker 4: you don't have to be a starter to produce.
Speaker 7: That's where the difference is. You know, that's true. And
Speaker 7: you guys have like way like less guys.
Speaker 2: We have less guys. Yeah, and again it goes back.
Speaker 4: If you're generally speaking, you have like a max guy
Speaker 4: or a couple of max guys. You have a couple
Speaker 4: guys that get salary cap, which is what every time
Speaker 4: I was a free agent, I signed with cap space.
Speaker 4: I signed with to a team with cap space. Then
Speaker 4: you have like the exceptions, the mid level exception, and
Speaker 4: if you're over the tax you have the tax payer
Speaker 4: mid level exception, which is about half of the mid
Speaker 4: level exception. And then everything else is like minimum, So
Speaker 4: it's it just depends on your service. So like if
Speaker 4: you're a ten year guy, minimum is two point seven
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 3: A nice man, that's a nice little baggy. I was like,
Speaker 3: as a tenure guy, I think it's one.
Speaker 4: One front player is minimum. So now you're on our son.
Speaker 4: You see him change the tune a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's minimum after you've played like eight or nine, yeah,
Speaker 1: ten years.
Speaker 2: Mind, this pastor is based on like nine eighty maybe
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. How many guys?
Speaker 4: How many guys minimum? Guys though that are like bawling
Speaker 4: that are starting and producing, And I'm not saying they're
Speaker 4: like necessarily all pro players, but they're they're good.
Speaker 2: They're really good. Well I'm grade out well in analytics,
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: I think analytics is a it's not not the move
Speaker 1: but this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you have a bad taste about like
Speaker 3: analytics and the people.
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes a whole It doesn't make
Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense. Stats like you can do
Speaker 1: it for quarterbacks, maybe wide receivers.
Speaker 2: You can do it to an extent, I feel like,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't tart the.
Speaker 1: Entire story when people say numbers agree with you, People
Speaker 1: say numbers of the entire story.
Speaker 2: I disagree with that whole whole heart. And I love analytics.
Speaker 4: There's the most beautiful uh synergy that I've you know,
Speaker 4: can witness. And synergy, by the way, is a name
Speaker 4: of advanced stats company. The most beautiful synergy that I
Speaker 4: can see. Like, when I analyze this stuff is my
Speaker 4: eye is telling me so. And I'll hit up a
Speaker 4: couple people I use for advanced stats. It's some of
Speaker 4: the stuff I check myself. But I'm not great on
Speaker 4: second spectrum. I don't really know how to operate it.
Speaker 4: So I'll be like, hey, it feels like this team
Speaker 4: is running way more ISOs this series and they don't
Speaker 4: run a lot of ISOs in the regular season.
Speaker 2: Can you look that up?
Speaker 4: And then it'll be like, oh, yeah, they're running forty
Speaker 4: percent more ISOs during this series than they do in
Speaker 4: the regular season. I'm like, oh, it matches up. Sometimes
Speaker 4: the eye test and the analytics they match up. Sometimes
Speaker 4: the analytics tell us stuff we can't see with our eyes,
Speaker 4: and sometimes the analytics lie to us with what we
Speaker 4: see with our eyes. Yeah, Like Devin books are an
Speaker 4: example of this. He is I think third on he
Speaker 4: was like third on the Suns this year and win
Speaker 4: shares right, he's going to be first team All NBA.
Speaker 4: He was top five in MVP voting, like he was
Speaker 4: their best player this year, but because of how analytics
Speaker 4: grade players out, he didn't fare particularly well. Like you're
Speaker 4: always going to in the NBA. You're always going to
Speaker 4: need volume shot creators, and he's great at that and
Speaker 4: he does it at a fair efficient level. And my
Speaker 4: eye can tell me that, but the analytics they lied
Speaker 4: to me. They lied to me.
Speaker 2: They don't tell me he's as great as he is.
Speaker 2: Very well spoken man, he is. Jevin Booker, you are
Speaker 2: sure for sure? No, Yeah, I don't know. Definit Bucker
Speaker 2: answer your question about the minimum things.
Speaker 3: I feel like it probably happens more for like defensive
Speaker 3: guys than offensive, yeah, because if you're if you're if
Speaker 3: you're like on offense, I feel like when you're like
Speaker 3: when you're having a year like it's it's it's easier
Speaker 3: to see, Yeah, Like defense could be harder because there's
Speaker 3: a lot of variables that you sometimes need to go
Speaker 3: to your way, like as far as opportunity and everything else.
Speaker 3: So if you might see a minimum guy bawling on
Speaker 3: a minimum contract. I feel like it's probably like a
Speaker 3: vet that's on like a one year deal, probably defensively.
Speaker 2: So here's another question I asker you.
Speaker 4: I'm glad I have you guys on my podcast right now,
Speaker 4: but I have another question for you.
Speaker 2: I'm curious about this seriously.
Speaker 4: I think about the NBA and like a guy who's
Speaker 4: a free agent who needs to put up numbers, Like
Speaker 4: in the NBA, it's a lot out of it is
Speaker 4: like your points, your rebounds, your assists, field goal percent,
Speaker 4: all of this stuff, Like you need to put up numbers.
Speaker 4: And so there's a way for a guy to basically
Speaker 4: have goods counting stats, earn a nice contract, but have
Speaker 4: literally no impact on winning, either because he's playing on
Speaker 4: a bad team or because of his role. And he
Speaker 4: just you know, he's able to just shoot the ball
Speaker 4: whenever he wants. And I wonder if the NFL, if
Speaker 4: you're able to do that, Like if a guy's a
Speaker 4: free agent, like can you hide behind statistics or is
Speaker 4: in the NFL are you just exposed at all time
Speaker 4: if what you do doesn't impact winning.
Speaker 1: I think to another one that goes for defense, because
Speaker 1: you can hide behind statistics in a lot of way.
Speaker 2: Ways.
Speaker 1: If because a guy, let's say a defensive end, he
Speaker 1: can have a lot of sacks, you can look at
Speaker 1: him and be like, oh that you have twelve sacks,
Speaker 1: your holy shit, And then you go watch his film
Speaker 1: and he he might not be beating guys one on one.
Speaker 1: The quarterback might be holding the ball really long, or
Speaker 1: he gets flushed out of the pocket the wrong way.
Speaker 1: It's an efforts sack a lot of way, a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, which is one of the arguments I would
Speaker 1: have had with what's his name who loves digit t J.
Speaker 1: Watt Jersey Jerry's t J. Wat's an unblievable defensive end.
Speaker 1: He deserves everything he's getting, but a lot of his
Speaker 1: sacks or effort sacks as well, Like he beats you,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, He fucking murders cats out.
Speaker 2: Are their statistics for that, like how many times you
Speaker 2: beat you? Sure there are? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's where PFF comes in to play Pro Football Focus.
Speaker 1: The thing Will was kind of alluding to with me
Speaker 1: was with PFF, they gray everybody every single day, and
Speaker 1: they they have like these numbers come out and it's
Speaker 1: a very difficult thing to do for my position, because
Speaker 1: you don't there's a thousand different ways to run one play,
Speaker 1: and based on how we run ours, it's different than
Speaker 1: Washington does, or San Francisco does, or you know, and
Speaker 1: so when you go to grade it, you can't grade
Speaker 1: us all the same, and so you need to have somebody,
Speaker 1: let's literally in the building to know what to do.
Speaker 1: And that's where I kind of get off like a
Speaker 1: little upset with.
Speaker 4: Numbers, right, because there's times there's one thing I won't
Speaker 4: go back to this, the task part of it. You
Speaker 4: could do your task, but someone through their bias of
Speaker 4: how they think the task should be run right, grades
Speaker 4: you a different way. Internally, the Titans could be like, oh,
Speaker 4: you did that perfectly right.
Speaker 1: And there there was a point in twenty sixteen where
Speaker 1: I was the grade of the number one tackle for
Speaker 1: the first nine weeks of the season, and I said
Speaker 1: the same thing then too. It's just like they don't
Speaker 1: really know what they're talking about when it comes to
Speaker 1: the offense line. And now with quarterbacks, I think running
Speaker 1: backs would be another difficult one to do.
Speaker 2: I think defenses will be very pretty hard.
Speaker 3: Depends like with a O lineman that you could see
Speaker 3: it like if you're moving the guy out of the gap,
Speaker 3: like you could be doing the task, but are you
Speaker 3: are you moving him to the sideline Like for me
Speaker 3: as a backer, like I could take a I could take.
Speaker 2: An offensive lineman on in the hole.
Speaker 3: But if we're stagnant or I'm barely getting moved even
Speaker 3: though I'm doing the right thing, like I know, mom
Speaker 3: leveraging the right side to all these guys, don't know
Speaker 3: what the fuck the talker takes on more of a
Speaker 3: more of a thudder dote hi tower takes on somebody
Speaker 3: and puts the offensive lineman in the gap. You'd see
Speaker 3: why he'd get like a better grade because he's he's
Speaker 3: physically moving the guy more, which could play into it
Speaker 3: and to do a spill.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's so crazy because defense.
Speaker 3: Doesn't feel the same way when you're talking about some
Speaker 3: of the basketball Stuff'm like, I kind of don't know
Speaker 3: what that means.
Speaker 2: But he makes that shit sound great.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, right, and but yeah, that's what's a crazy world.
Speaker 3: More so defense where you can hide behind stats like
Speaker 3: dbs who get a lot of picks, you have like
Speaker 3: you got a lot of picks you made a lot
Speaker 3: of plays on the ball, you get a lot of sacks,
Speaker 3: he could be a bad run defender, like maybe he's
Speaker 3: rushing to get a sack every damn play.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a great point. Yeah, DB's too.
Speaker 4: It's like if you get a lot of picks, that
Speaker 4: means they're throwing the ball on your side right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Or if you're a safety too, safeties do like Kevin Byron.
Speaker 4: He's on the Titans.
Speaker 1: He had a lot of interceptions this past year, and
Speaker 1: he's just in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 3: Again, full quarterbacks that type of thing.
Speaker 1: But if you're a corner one on one like Drew
Speaker 1: Revis at one point when he was on Revis Island
Speaker 1: is like he it was like, you don't even throw
Speaker 1: to that area, Like he just lost.
Speaker 3: Dudes down the great ones, like they probably won't have
Speaker 3: a lot of stats because then the ball's not thrown
Speaker 3: to him, right, you know how it is.
Speaker 2: So it all comes down who's.
Speaker 1: The cornerback for the Dallas Cowboys. Keep going ahead and
Speaker 1: we'll keep going Stefan Diggs. No, the corner is it's
Speaker 1: the Trevon Digs. Trevon Diggs, He's a guy I saw
Speaker 1: a stat I don't know if this is true or not.
Speaker 1: He had the most interceptions in the NFL last year.
Speaker 1: But he also had the most yards given up by
Speaker 1: any cornerback too. But he was all pro. He would
Speaker 1: play aggressively. You could beat him on a double move
Speaker 1: because he's like looking to.
Speaker 2: Get a pick. He trying to get them. Pichy, he
Speaker 2: is a stud. But yeah, like like the great ones.
Speaker 3: But you know how it is, like all those numbers,
Speaker 3: all that stuff comes down to like trying to gain leverage,
Speaker 3: like in a negotiation. So some guys it does work out,
Speaker 3: you know, others you know it might not.
Speaker 1: But it all comes down to probably the thing. Another
Speaker 1: thing is too just like supplying demand. Like a lot
Speaker 1: of guys would go in to free agency and you'll
Speaker 1: be like, he's not that good, but he gets broke
Speaker 1: off because this team needs there's let's say there's market day,
Speaker 1: the market down, there's not.
Speaker 4: Many tackles out on twenty sixteen free agency. By a year,
Speaker 4: I was a free agent twenty seventeen. I tried to
Speaker 4: get a player option for sixteen after the sixteen year.
Speaker 4: I didn't get it with my Clippers contract, and I
Speaker 4: missed out like that summer was Bombers.
Speaker 2: That was the summer where you know.
Speaker 4: Timothy Mosk, I've got sixty four million dollars from Lakers.
Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Dude, I want to talk about like I know you've
Speaker 3: talked about it openly, but like your Duke days, like
Speaker 3: you were one of the most hated players in college basketball,
Speaker 3: like history, like obviously Duke as well, but like it
Speaker 3: just in college basketball in general. And there were times
Speaker 3: where you talked about quitting, and I've seen that you did.
Speaker 3: Is it true that you've changed your number at times?
Speaker 3: Like your cell phone number?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? So yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean my sophomore year, I've probably changed it ten
Speaker 4: or fifteen times. There were so many nights that year
Speaker 4: where I don't know who was the culprit who from
Speaker 4: it was somebody from Duke that had a friend at
Speaker 4: another school that would pass along my number, and you know,
Speaker 4: it was UNC fans mostly and Maryland fans mostly. And
Speaker 4: back then I had the Nokia, you know, and so like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you could do this maybe in
Speaker 4: like the Upper Model my junior and senior year, but
Speaker 4: early on, like you couldn't like get an alarm and
Speaker 4: simultaneously have it on silent. So I would just get
Speaker 4: calls all night long, like thirty forty calls, you know,
Speaker 4: as soon as like the number shows up at a
Speaker 4: Maryland party or at a Maryland bar, like my shit's
Speaker 4: blown up, over and over and over again. So I, yeah,
Speaker 4: I had to deal with that. There were you know,
Speaker 4: there were times that Maryland fans would call me, they
Speaker 4: would call me the Antichrist, which just like what again,
Speaker 4: this is true? No, it's wonder but the watch it
Speaker 4: goes back to why I sort I felt like, in
Speaker 4: a way, we're all the main character in our own story, right,
Speaker 4: We're all little bit narcissistic, I think inherently, Yeah, but
Speaker 4: you know, Duke felt like this this this fish bowl,
Speaker 4: and I was like the main character. Everybody. Everybody really
Speaker 4: hated me, and it was it was tough to deal with.
Speaker 4: So yeah, my sophomore year, and I may have told
Speaker 4: this story with with Dan and Eric on their pod,
Speaker 4: but my sophomore year, I called my sisters to campus.
Speaker 4: It was during the Christmas break. I told him to
Speaker 4: come over from Raleigh and they came over. There was
Speaker 4: this chicken place and we grabbed a chicken sandwich and
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm done, like I want to quit,
Speaker 4: and they're like, what do you mean? I was like,
Speaker 4: I just I was like, I want to be a
Speaker 4: normal student. I want to go to class. I want
Speaker 4: to be a frat kid. I think I probably said
Speaker 4: I wanted to write poetry. I think that probably came.
Speaker 2: Ran poetry when you're depressed, that it is the move,
Speaker 2: it is the move, that is this move. Sure, And
Speaker 2: and then I didn't quit.
Speaker 4: Second semester, I went into what I would describe as
Speaker 4: a spiral. I was out every night, nights before games.
Speaker 4: I would drink twenty five thirty beers n show up
Speaker 4: the next day. I counted really crossing, like the marker
Speaker 4: on the wrist. I move after the season there. Do
Speaker 4: you guys remember the OC please? Some of you watch
Speaker 4: the OC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, but I did not watch it.
Speaker 4: That was the show when I was in college. That
Speaker 4: was like we would record it on VHS. We record
Speaker 4: it and like watch it later. So it was a Thursday,
Speaker 4: and I was like, OC's on tonight, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to see how many beers I can drink tonight.
Speaker 4: And I started at eight o'clock when the OC came on,
Speaker 4: and I got to like thirty nine by the next morning,
Speaker 4: and and it was just like that was my second
Speaker 4: semester at Duke. I was just I was out of control,
Speaker 4: and a little bit of it was immaturity and selfishness.
Speaker 4: A little bit of it was rebellion because I had
Speaker 4: my whole sporting life since I was seven years old.
Speaker 4: And watch Christian Latner hit the shot to be Kentucky,
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to go to Duke.
Speaker 2: I want to go to Duke. And it was like
Speaker 2: a dream come true.
Speaker 4: And then I get to Duke and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: everyone fucking hates my guts, Like this is not what
Speaker 4: I signed up.
Speaker 2: Why did everyone? Why did anyone hate you so much
Speaker 2: because I was a Duke. I mean if I had
Speaker 2: gone to Florida or Uva, like it would have been funne.
Speaker 2: I would just would have been a normal kid. I
Speaker 2: would have had that hate vibe home.
Speaker 4: They do they do and it's like the white villain
Speaker 4: at Duke like that was.
Speaker 2: That was definitely part of it. I was next in
Speaker 2: line for that because.
Speaker 4: We I mean we had we had like eleven or
Speaker 4: twelve games my freshman year that we played at the
Speaker 4: beginning of the season. It was like home games, and
Speaker 4: then we played like UCLA in Indianapolis. We played Ohio
Speaker 4: State in Greensboro for the Big tenn ACC Challenge. We'd
Speaker 4: have a road game till after the new year, and
Speaker 4: we go to Clemson. We come out for warm ups
Speaker 4: in the entire student sections chanting ship. Two weeks later,
Speaker 4: we go to Uva, my home state. There's all these students.
Speaker 4: I had really bad bacne in college and I had
Speaker 4: there's all these kids wearing like makeshift white Duke for
Speaker 4: Duke number four jerseys and they had painted like red dots.
Speaker 2: On their shoulders. Hilarious. By the way, I thought it
Speaker 2: was hilarious. I was, you know, I was very sensitive.
Speaker 2: You think it was funny.
Speaker 4: I did, even though it was really sensitive about you know,
Speaker 4: my my shoulder acting. I was like, man, that's that's
Speaker 4: fucking creative. Why didn't you go T shirt unto the jersey?
Speaker 4: Then if you're so if you're insecure, about it.
Speaker 2: It was a rule.
Speaker 4: We couldn't do it. I convinced him thephomore year, I
Speaker 4: went into his office. I may have cried and I
Speaker 4: was just like, you gotta let me know. Shit shirt
Speaker 4: under my jersey.
Speaker 2: Damn you you say may have I cried? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Well that's that's a real deal.
Speaker 4: So the end of my sophomore year, we lost in
Speaker 4: the final four. It was a it was a low
Speaker 4: point for me. We we lost to Yukon. We were
Speaker 4: up eight with like three and a half minutes to go,
Speaker 4: and they came back and I had a chance twice,
Speaker 4: actually once to take the lead with like ten seconds left.
Speaker 4: I got stripped and then I had a chance with
Speaker 4: like five seconds left to hit a three to Taius
Speaker 4: and I missed him both and I just like that
Speaker 4: spiral that I was on went even deeper, and Coach
Speaker 4: would like make me come in on Saturday mornings to
Speaker 4: his office and he would meet with me, and he
Speaker 4: told me during one of those meetings, he said, uh,
Speaker 4: we didn't win a national championship because you weren't worthy
Speaker 4: to be a champion. It's like the met thing everyone's
Speaker 4: ever said to me. And it was true. It was true,
Speaker 4: but it was like so soul cutting right. That sent
Speaker 4: me further down. So I then my parents, because they
Speaker 4: knew I was having a tough time for Christmas, had
Speaker 4: given me a toy airplane.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the it was a ticket.
Speaker 4: Basically, They're like, wherever you want to go after the
Speaker 4: school year's out, you can go.
Speaker 2: So I'm like all right.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I want to go see my buddy,
Speaker 4: duke soccer player. I want to go see my buddy
Speaker 4: in California. So I planned this trip. We went to Davis, California.
Speaker 4: We went to the Bay, we went to Santa Barbara,
Speaker 4: we went to La drove back up.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: By the time I got to the trip, my parents
Speaker 4: knew that I was in a really bad place. I
Speaker 4: had seven dollars in my checking account. They're like, we're
Speaker 4: not going to give you any money for this trip.
Speaker 4: We'll let you still go on the trip, We're not
Speaker 4: going to give any money. I basically like bummed off
Speaker 4: people for those like ten days I was out there.
Speaker 4: And I got back from the trip, and I was
Speaker 4: supposed to finish an incomplete because I had knock gone
Speaker 4: a class all semester either so I was supposed to
Speaker 4: finish it in complete. So I'm hanging out my buddy's
Speaker 4: apartment for like two weeks, and I would wake up
Speaker 4: at like two pm in the afternoon, I'd start chugging beers.
Speaker 4: I'd have a burrito party through the night, wake up
Speaker 4: at two pm. I did that for two straight weeks.
Speaker 4: No one knew where I was. I told my parents
Speaker 4: I was in summer school. I told Duke I was
Speaker 4: back home finishing my complete One day, I get a
Speaker 4: fucking wrap rap rap at noon on the door of
Speaker 4: the apartment and it's Coach Collins and Coach Wojo. So
Speaker 4: I walked downstairs. I've literally got by the way. I
Speaker 4: have one outfit I've got. It's an aberc It's a
Speaker 4: blue Abercrombie shirt and Abercrombie cargo show.
Speaker 2: It was the time.
Speaker 4: It was the time, and I've and I've got these
Speaker 4: these flip flops that I had bought at the Gap
Speaker 4: in San Francisco with my last five dollars. They were
Speaker 4: on sale, and they're like, they're like, come outside. So
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, So I'm two, I'm probably one
Speaker 4: ninety five. I'm two twenty five. Bro, I'm fucking fatty.
Speaker 4: I'm fat as fuck. I hadn't shaved in like three weeks.
Speaker 4: My hair is like Sae frat boy hair, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 2: A little wavy, little curly right over the years.
Speaker 4: They're like, you know, come outside. We get in the car,
Speaker 4: we drive all the way back to camp.
Speaker 2: Possible for where's your anxiety? And when these dudes knock.
Speaker 3: On the door, ten out of ten, ten out of ten,
Speaker 3: which is debilitating.
Speaker 2: Debilitating. There was bongs everywhere as well, like it was bad.
Speaker 2: It was a bad scene. Beer beer cans everywhere.
Speaker 4: In a way though, and I'll in a way, I
Speaker 4: was like, finally, really, yeah, someone came to get me.
Speaker 4: I was like finally. And so they we go to campus.
Speaker 4: We're getting ready to cock. This is a random part
Speaker 4: of the story. But we get we get ready to
Speaker 4: turn on campus and Wojo looks in the rear for
Speaker 4: yoummu and he's like, nobody said a word, by the way,
Speaker 4: since come outside, Like I just followed them into the car.
Speaker 4: We get to campus and he's like, so what have
Speaker 4: you been doing? And I was like I don't know
Speaker 4: why I said this, but I was like watching movies.
Speaker 2: I was like all right.
Speaker 4: So they took me up to Coach K's office. They
Speaker 4: dragged me through the through the fifth floor. He's on
Speaker 4: the sixth floor. They dragged me through the fifth floor
Speaker 4: to embarrass me and shame me, which I love that
Speaker 4: they did that because Bojo and College are complete assholes
Speaker 4: and I love them to death. So they dragged me through,
Speaker 4: I'm like looking like shit, and then we go up
Speaker 4: to Coach's office. We had a lot, like a long
Speaker 4: hour and a half meeting, and you know, they they
Speaker 4: basically it was basically an ultimatum. It was like, dude,
Speaker 4: we're not going to kick you off the team. We're
Speaker 4: not going to kick you off camp, you know, at
Speaker 4: of school, but you need to get your shit together,
Speaker 4: and like we're gonna get you, you know, the help
Speaker 4: you need. So like I started seeing a therapist, saw
Speaker 4: a therapist the rest of my time at Duke that summer.
Speaker 2: I saw a psychiatrist as well.
Speaker 4: They put me on a fucking hourly schedule that summer
Speaker 4: and it was dude, I swear to god, I still
Speaker 4: have the sheet. Is eight am, wake up, nine am,
Speaker 4: check in, ten am class, you know, one pm, study hall,
Speaker 4: two pm court, three pm, weights, four PM run, five pm,
Speaker 4: pick up, six pm, dinner, eight pm. You know, you're
Speaker 4: in your apartment ten pm, lights out. And I did
Speaker 4: that all summer.
Speaker 2: They check in your apartment to make sure it was.
Speaker 4: Funny because it was two weeks into summer school, so
Speaker 4: I didn't have I had have petitioned the dean to
Speaker 4: get back into summer school.
Speaker 2: They let me back in.
Speaker 4: I took a class on the Civil War and there's
Speaker 4: the start of my transformation as a student as well
Speaker 4: that summer. I got basically straight a's after that. But
Speaker 4: because it was so late in the summer, they were like,
Speaker 4: we don't like all the all your teammates, all the managers, everybody,
Speaker 4: you know that they already have roommates. So there was
Speaker 4: this random dude, I don't know his name. There's this
Speaker 4: random dude on Central campus. They were like, there's a
Speaker 4: person that has an extra bedroom in the two bedroom
Speaker 4: apartment on Central Campus.
Speaker 2: You're gonna live with this person.
Speaker 4: And he had no affiliation to anyone I knew any
Speaker 4: affiliation of the team. And I walked into the apartment.
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, man, I'm going through some shit.
Speaker 4: I would appreciate it. I'm going to be friendly to you,
Speaker 4: but I appreciate it if you just like let me,
Speaker 4: let me be for the next like six weeks.
Speaker 2: And he's like, what a first impression? Yeah? Yeah, so
Speaker 2: what did he say to you? He's like, okay, O, good,
Speaker 2: no worries.
Speaker 4: And I would like see him like later on like
Speaker 4: my junior and senior year, and it was like it
Speaker 4: was like a passing, you know, sort of like I
Speaker 4: didn't know his name.
Speaker 2: No, he probably talks about you all the time. He
Speaker 2: probably talk about you all the time.
Speaker 3: Dude, you're probably talking about he was instrumental and JJ reddick.
Speaker 2: A yeah, jj reddick h. Yeah. When I met him,
Speaker 2: he was going through it is done. Yeah, see what
Speaker 2: he's done that schedule.
Speaker 4: That was life changing. Yeah, because that became the rest
Speaker 4: of my life. And I wouldn't have done what I
Speaker 4: did in the NBA, or don't even done what I
Speaker 4: did a duke had the length of career I had.
Speaker 4: I was, I mean, from that point I was a psycho.
Speaker 4: I was an absolute psycho. It was like diligent routine,
Speaker 4: my schedule that takes precedence over everything. I need to
Speaker 4: get my work done, I need to get my sleep,
Speaker 4: I need to eat right, I'm going to go after
Speaker 4: it like that over and over and over again. And
Speaker 4: I did that for the rest of my career.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, dude, that's a that's an incredible deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think I discipline, disciplines the number
Speaker 1: one you need for success is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Well, I think obsession is I agree with that.
Speaker 4: I think because even with like a creative you don't
Speaker 4: necessarily need discipline if you're super talented. I know guys
Speaker 4: in the NBA that aren't as disciplined as I was.
Speaker 4: I know guys that probably are more disciplined than I was.
Speaker 4: Like I, it's obsession. It's like the true love the
Speaker 4: stuff we were talking about earlier about like fuck, man,
Speaker 4: I want to go have a beer on Broadway, or
Speaker 4: fuck I want to go, you know, have Thanksgiving dinner
Speaker 4: with my family, all those things, like we have to
Speaker 4: be more obsessed with the other thing. We have to
Speaker 4: be more obsessed with what we're doing. And I always was.
Speaker 4: I was always more obsessed with it, and it's you know,
Speaker 4: so it was like the obsession on one hand, but
Speaker 4: then it was like learning how to be diligent, learning
Speaker 4: how to have a routine, you know, I I developed
Speaker 4: this routine as a pro player. It was like it
Speaker 4: was sick because my routines had routines, and it was
Speaker 4: like to the minute on a game day, to the minute,
Speaker 4: starting at eight am. Whenever I woke up, it was like,
Speaker 4: to the minute. All right, it's twelve thirteen, I've got
Speaker 4: seventeen minutes till i need to lunch. It's one to fifteen.
Speaker 4: I've got fifteen minutes till I need to take my nap.
Speaker 4: I'm waking up at four pm. I'm calling the room
Speaker 4: service at four thirt Like it was just everything was
Speaker 4: to the minute.
Speaker 1: When you do stuff like that, though, does it ever
Speaker 1: feel like if something messes with that schedule, like your
Speaker 1: kids are doing something, your wife does something, you can
Speaker 1: argue with somebody and at fucksuper situal where you're nothing,
Speaker 1: you're now off the minute? Yeah, it does it fuck
Speaker 1: up your game? Did it fuck up your situation? Because
Speaker 1: being that obsessive.
Speaker 2: It would fuck me up in the moment.
Speaker 4: I don't know there was one example I can think
Speaker 4: of where it really fucked me up in the game,
Speaker 4: but it would fuck me at the moment.
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example of that.
Speaker 4: My first game with the Pelicans were in Toronto, and
Speaker 4: again they don't know that I'm like this, And so
Speaker 4: Jamel McMillan, Nate McMillan's son, comes in the training room
Speaker 4: and I've started my routine ninety minutes on the clock.
Speaker 4: I'm in the training room, sixty five minutes on the clock.
Speaker 4: I'm in the weight room, fifty two minutes on the clock.
Speaker 4: I'm on the court eight minutes. I'm finishing up my workout.
Speaker 4: I'm back in the locker room at thirty six minutes,
Speaker 4: like I'm starting that first game. And he comes to
Speaker 4: the locker room and he's like, hey, man, you're shooting it.
Speaker 4: He made he said some time that was not my
Speaker 4: shooting time, and I fucking lost.
Speaker 2: It on him.
Speaker 4: And I really Jamel and I are cool, like, but
Speaker 4: it was our first interaction that we had had, and.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck? What what kind of
Speaker 2: operation is this? That's not my shooting top. I agree
Speaker 2: to this shooting time this morning. I told you, motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: Like then, I'm like, okay, I gotta go apologize like
Speaker 4: seven people right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that was the game. That's the game, like
Speaker 2: all that stuff.
Speaker 4: The one time was I was in Indianapolis when I
Speaker 4: was with the Bucks and were it was a different
Speaker 4: hotel than we normally stayed at. And I ordered my
Speaker 4: room service and it never came, and I went, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm running out of time. Now I've got
Speaker 4: to go down. I canna take my bags under the bus.
Speaker 4: So I went down. I go to the restaurant like, hey,
Speaker 4: room service never came, Like whatever, they go get it.
Speaker 4: They gave it to me a minute before my bus time.
Speaker 4: So I'm eating like on the bus as I'm walking
Speaker 4: in the arena, and I was like two for thirteen
Speaker 4: that night and just couldn't I couldn't focus on the game.
Speaker 1: Was it because of the because of the food, because
Speaker 1: the food is bad? Like you're, yeah, what do you
Speaker 1: think about the routine?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 2: Me up?
Speaker 3: Messed up your dad?
Speaker 2: Here's it?
Speaker 4: So it was all about control for me. You know,
Speaker 4: I get here, that's what I can control. I'm going
Speaker 4: to control this and like you're now you're now fucking
Speaker 4: with my control. The one thing I can control is
Speaker 4: my routine, and now you're fucking with it.
Speaker 2: And I'm pissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sucked up? Looked Yeah, two for thirteen? Yeah, see.
Speaker 1: I've tried to be like that before during game, especially
Speaker 1: in game day. But one thing I've realized for myself,
Speaker 1: when I do best when I had like I don't
Speaker 1: try to have control over anything as long as like
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, oh, I just need to
Speaker 1: feel good before this game starts. I can show up
Speaker 1: four hours before the game starts. I showed up two
Speaker 1: hours before the game starts. It does not matter to
Speaker 1: me anymore. But at one point I was like that,
Speaker 1: right if for like, wake up at this specific time,
Speaker 1: go get in the cold tubs, go from there, go
Speaker 1: get a coffee at that Starbucks. Then you know that,
Speaker 1: get to the coffee, you go right to the stadium
Speaker 1: that I used to you like that.
Speaker 2: But then one thing would happen.
Speaker 1: It would fuck me up, and then I would tell
Speaker 1: myself after the game, I like, oh, that's it's because
Speaker 1: you messed up your deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got over that at Duke.
Speaker 4: Like by the end of my Duke time, I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm my performance on the court is not because I
Speaker 4: made three out of four on the last spot of
Speaker 4: my routine and didn't make four out of four. Like,
Speaker 4: I just got over that part of it. I think
Speaker 4: it was more about just like it was like, here's
Speaker 4: what I need to do to peak at seven oh
Speaker 4: seven or seven thirty seven when that all goes up
Speaker 4: and it's tipped, like, here's what I need to do
Speaker 4: to peak at that time. So it was that was
Speaker 4: what was what it was about. To besides the control
Speaker 4: was like there was a reason that I did everything.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, well I did tie my shoes a
Speaker 4: certain way and put on my clothes my jersey in
Speaker 4: a certain order.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't about superstitious.
Speaker 8: It was whatever. But it was like a few got
Speaker 8: a feel you have a thing? Do you have a precision? Yeah,
Speaker 8: not that I'm like thinking of, Like you know, I
Speaker 8: love a pregame latte.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I wouldn't say it's like a superstition like
Speaker 3: if I missed it, I would like think a certain way.
Speaker 4: I mean, what if somebody said that we don't have lattes,
Speaker 4: We're just going to give you an espresso shot, Like.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm good, you're not gonna sn't take it. So
Speaker 2: it's not about the caffeine.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's not about the caffeine. It's just
Speaker 3: like the vibes going into the stadium. It's like about
Speaker 3: getting a latte's putting into the cup holder, it's turning
Speaker 3: up zz top, Sharp Dressed Man, Lagrange all this easy
Speaker 3: Top Cinderella Man by eminem a lot of like old
Speaker 3: school bangers and like feeling good walking outware latte.
Speaker 2: What No, Cinderella Man. That's a banger.
Speaker 1: You said its easy Top three times and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it Cinderella Man eminem.
Speaker 2: Ez time. Yeah, Sharp Dressed Man Lagrange. Yet. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: Cinderella Man is another one.
Speaker 3: Like if if I'm feeling like I got to have
Speaker 3: like a comeback game or a get back on track
Speaker 3: game in my head, I'm going to Cinderella Man when
Speaker 3: I'm walking inside, because to me, it's like I'm Cinderella Man.
Speaker 2: I'm the fucking underdog. All that kind of So, you.
Speaker 4: Know what, we're all telling ourselves our story.
Speaker 2: You're always telling yourself what you need to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of like I guess I think there's
Speaker 4: not is that because you listen to it one time
Speaker 4: before a game and you played well and then you're like, okay,
Speaker 4: that's my Yeah.
Speaker 3: Some of that yeah, yeah, like visualization, like running through
Speaker 3: the same reel in your head about like old plays
Speaker 3: that you've made, just to like see yourself do it
Speaker 3: and feel this and feel that. Yeah, it's like a
Speaker 3: kind of like a routine like that, and then if
Speaker 3: you have a baller game, you're like, yeah, I gotta
Speaker 3: go back to that kind of routine.
Speaker 2: But if it throws off, I'm not Like flow states,
Speaker 2: it's like that's the wat.
Speaker 4: Talk about peak, getting to the peak, like hitting the
Speaker 4: peak at seven thirty seven? Yeah, what are the things
Speaker 4: I need to do to get into a flow state?
Speaker 4: Because as an athlete, like if you're not in the
Speaker 4: flow state, you're okay, maybe you're shitty, but you're not
Speaker 4: like the best version of.
Speaker 3: Yourself, right, You're in your own head a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also one of the most difficult things to
Speaker 1: achieve is the flow state. Just be like nothing else
Speaker 1: mana as you're so present right now, you're thinking about
Speaker 1: anything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: One time in Tampa is like before the fourth preseason games,
Speaker 3: the first time I made the team out right, So
Speaker 3: I was in my second year, went through preseason anxieties
Speaker 3: at a ten because I'm like, this is it, Like
Speaker 3: I gotta make the fucking team? Yeah, And uh, I
Speaker 3: had I had, I had ice cream before the game.
Speaker 3: The night before the game, I made myself up with
Speaker 3: ice cream M and MS had some caramels and fudge
Speaker 3: on that thing. And the boy ball like the boy
Speaker 3: played well, you gotta let the team and tackles that game.
Speaker 2: The boy the boy Yeah, And so sometimes.
Speaker 3: Like that would be my reason for having like I
Speaker 3: I literally think back to myself, I'm like, it puts
Speaker 3: me in like, uh, puts me in a good mood.
Speaker 2: Obviously, some ice cream puts anybody in.
Speaker 3: A good but like if everybody's like, why you eat
Speaker 3: that the night before a game, you just worry about yourself.
Speaker 2: You just yourself. There are dudes there everyone.
Speaker 4: I don't know every team you've been on, but Tians
Speaker 4: have a Sunday station every night before a game.
Speaker 2: You're like, why the fuck is that out there? That
Speaker 2: makes sense to me. It's like, what are we doing
Speaker 2: here with this this thing? I feel you guys can agree.
Speaker 1: But when we go back to the flow state thing,
Speaker 1: when you're in a flos, it's like the game goes
Speaker 1: by so fast and it's over. But there's other games
Speaker 1: where you're not like you're the opposite of flow state.
Speaker 1: Don't know what that is on flow state and you
Speaker 1: remember everything. Like we played Michigan, was playing Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: It was a night game. When we came back, it
Speaker 1: was like hundred a minute forty two left in the game.
Speaker 1: There's like five scores or whatever. That's when Denard threw
Speaker 1: it in the back of the end zone. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we won it Anti Flow Thank you. And me and
Speaker 1: my girlfriend who I was dating at the time, Me
Speaker 1: and the girls the at the time, like I cheated
Speaker 1: on her or she cheated.
Speaker 2: On something happened like two days before it happened. I
Speaker 2: cheated on her. There was there was like a discover
Speaker 2: there's something was going on. But it was like it
Speaker 2: was during that game, and all I could think about
Speaker 2: was trying to get her back.
Speaker 1: And I played the entire game, and I played all right,
Speaker 1: played pretty good, decent, but like the whole game, I
Speaker 1: was not ever invested in that game.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, how do I make it
Speaker 2: up to this girl? Was she at the game? Probably
Speaker 2: it's one hundred and fifteen thousand, How can I tell
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 3: You know, because you know where your girl sits, and
Speaker 3: you feel like, no, I never knew anything like that
Speaker 3: where they're sitting.
Speaker 4: No, I never I never had that, and not till
Speaker 4: I got not to think the NFL, where I knew
Speaker 4: like people whe people were sitting. Yeah, and my dad
Speaker 4: would always sit and want a certain spot, always kind
Speaker 4: of look up at him every once in a while.
Speaker 4: But my girl, every every game my dad ever came to,
Speaker 4: even youth basketball, yeah, I'd always like find.
Speaker 2: Him, find him. You're the flow state part is like.
Speaker 4: When you're not in that state, you're thinking about what
Speaker 4: just happened. So it's like that you're carrying something to
Speaker 4: the next play. And I always always be like, oh,
Speaker 4: should I had a turnover? Okay, that's like a tally.
Speaker 4: And then like I'd be like, all right, I made
Speaker 4: a shot. Okay, now we're even Oh I missed a shot.
Speaker 4: You are teaching right now, Okay, I just had a
Speaker 4: good pass. That's like then all of a sudden, like
Speaker 4: what are you playing? You're not actually in the game.
Speaker 4: You're like doing this tallly in you in your head. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it was very detrimental to the the overall product
Speaker 4: that I was trying to put out on the court.
Speaker 1: There would be times where I'd be like so stressed
Speaker 1: out about games that I would do that on purpose, Yes, right,
Speaker 1: but okay, all you have to do is just play
Speaker 1: well in this series and your player should be Okay,
Speaker 1: that was a good play. He could have been on
Speaker 1: that play, but like that won't be like a minus.
Speaker 1: That'll because I made that good play on that yeah earlier. Well, no,
Speaker 1: that you you start playing the like a lot of
Speaker 1: times the way the greatest like minus zero plus zero
Speaker 1: did your job.
Speaker 3: Minus you didn't do your job.
Speaker 4: Plus you did something extra, something extra there, And so
Speaker 4: I like go and I have like a couple of
Speaker 4: I have like zero across the board, one minus.
Speaker 2: And a plus.
Speaker 1: Bag I'm up and even like a plus to me
Speaker 1: would be double what a minus was you know in
Speaker 1: your head. But you're like playing this game so you
Speaker 1: can tell yourself I played good any way to tell
Speaker 1: yourself I did well.
Speaker 2: What about the feeling of.
Speaker 4: Being in the arena, being on the field, on the court, whatever,
Speaker 4: and just knowing that you're shit, like knowing that you
Speaker 4: are having September this year game of your life.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we and unfortunately we were all at.
Speaker 4: And you're like, well, you can't escape it, and you
Speaker 4: feel like everybody knows that you're ship. Everybody knows you're terrible.
Speaker 2: What game was that? Worst fucking feeling as an Athletetember.
Speaker 1: Twelve, twenty twenty one. I so I tore my ACL
Speaker 1: in October.
Speaker 2: Of twenty twenty. I'll have the four right so, and
Speaker 2: in my head, I'm like, come back season.
Speaker 1: I'm with the boys, all these all these guys the
Speaker 1: whole year, telling like, hey, this would be a comeback here.
Speaker 1: I feel great, I feel amazing, and I wasn't feeling
Speaker 1: the best. I go into camp and I'm like, no
Speaker 1: matter what is this better not be the film I
Speaker 1: want to see right now? Roll the tape. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have to start. I have to start
Speaker 1: a half to start. I go out to play. They
Speaker 1: announced the offense. I'm fucking women, crowds going wild. I
Speaker 1: gave up two sacks in that game got dusted. Well,
Speaker 1: that's challeng Jones getting five sacks. This dude, Chileng Jones
Speaker 1: fifty five. He had five sacks in this game. I
Speaker 1: gave up two to him. This is me right here.
Speaker 3: But it feels like within the first three series, there's
Speaker 3: there's some there's this is the next.
Speaker 4: Series, this is the next series no chance, So I stop, stop, stop, stop.
Speaker 2: So at this point I've given up two.
Speaker 1: It's the first fucking quarter still, and I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: never done that in my life. That's never happened to
Speaker 1: me ever in my entire life. We're in the first
Speaker 1: quarter of four. I'm having a horrible game, Like there's
Speaker 1: no way to come back from it. It's got and
Speaker 1: it just the rest of the game just got worse
Speaker 1: and worse and worse. I'd be seen on the sideline
Speaker 1: and like, you just feel like everyone's looking at you.
Speaker 1: I went and got an IV because I was cramping.
Speaker 1: Thank God, that's what this sack is. Go you can
Speaker 1: go back this sec This is a Kendall getting beat
Speaker 1: for a sack. I go back into the game. I
Speaker 1: played the Tennessee Times my whole entire career. I go
Speaker 1: back into the game, and what do they say, Uh,
Speaker 1: the announcer love, the guy's name is Matt did a
Speaker 1: real fucked up movie.
Speaker 2: Go Tail.
Speaker 4: Lajuana's back in the game. The whole stadium, not the
Speaker 4: whole sam but the stadium starts booing and I'm.
Speaker 3: Just like, Will, Yeah, Will, I saw Will up there.
Speaker 3: Me and his wife are in the suite just fucking booming.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was, dude.
Speaker 4: It was the worst, the worst feeling in the entire
Speaker 4: world as an offensive lineman. Would you get a penalty?
Speaker 4: What's going through your brain?
Speaker 2: O care? Same thing? No?
Speaker 3: No, hey, no, old man in the three We're in
Speaker 3: the Old Man in the three podcasts right now he's
Speaker 3: potting you up.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, okay, go ahead, you know what. You guys
Speaker 2: have the four. You guys have the four.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, what's the worst moment, what's the
Speaker 3: worst what's that situation for you?
Speaker 4: Game one, twenty nineteen playoffs against the Nets. I was
Speaker 4: some shit and they kept targeting me and isoing me,
Speaker 4: and I fouled out with like four minutes ago, my blessing,
Speaker 4: Did you foul out?
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, I'm gonna try and foul out.
Speaker 4: No, I was able to foul out of the Cardinals game.
Speaker 4: I would have it is a little bit of blessing,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Yeah, this is the great
Speaker 4: thing about basketball. You have other players. They can produce,
Speaker 4: so like if you're having a shit game, sometimes they'll
Speaker 4: just be like, all right, we're gonna relieve him of
Speaker 4: his duties and we're gonna go with the other guy.
Speaker 4: He's getting getting benched, Yeah, getting benched. Yeah, just foll out,
Speaker 4: thank god.
Speaker 2: But yeah. Uh and then D'Angelo Russell waved me off
Speaker 2: the floor. He drew the sixth file. He waved me
Speaker 2: off the floor.
Speaker 4: And as I'm walking off the floor, yeah, I was
Speaker 4: playing in Philly, the whole Philly. You know, the crowd
Speaker 4: is booing me. Yeah, which there insane thing. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: like that was that was a low point for me.
Speaker 4: That was a low point. You know. The other part
Speaker 4: was like playing with Chris, and I love Chris, but
Speaker 4: like he demands so much of his teammates, and there
Speaker 4: were games where like I would not play well and
Speaker 4: I would feel like this overwhelming sense that I let
Speaker 4: him down, you know, that I didn't I didn't reach
Speaker 4: his level that night, and that that probably hurts more
Speaker 4: than like getting booed by a crowd, right, because it's
Speaker 4: to me, it was always about like am I accountable
Speaker 4: to my teammates? If I'm accountable to my teammates, like
Speaker 4: fuck everybody else, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. So that probably those those moments
Speaker 2: probably were worse. Yeah, they're the worse. It's the whole.
Speaker 3: Two thousand I'd say two thousand and sixteen Thanksgiving game
Speaker 3: for the Dallas Cowboys. Like I've talked about it before
Speaker 3: on here, but when I missed two tackles in a
Speaker 3: row on Ezekiel Elliott. And not only that, but Dak
Speaker 3: would check at the line of scrimmage and.
Speaker 2: I knew, like what the run plays were.
Speaker 3: He'd be like, he'd like step back and be like
Speaker 3: whether it be like Pope or Giant, Like I would
Speaker 3: know what plays were coming and what they were chee copies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I would know what the play is and tell people.
Speaker 3: And fucking he broke a tackle from me, I like
Speaker 3: leave my feet diving off the diving board. And the
Speaker 3: second miss tackle. The first one was in my head
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, don't miss his tackle. And you know
Speaker 3: that that usually never works out for you. Universe doesn't
Speaker 3: hear negatives?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then they come there.
Speaker 3: It is right there, right fucking there, dude, And it
Speaker 3: was a big back.
Speaker 2: Go back. They drive, they drive all the way down again.
Speaker 2: I want him to hurt like I did earlier. They
Speaker 2: they drive all.
Speaker 3: The way down and score and we get to the
Speaker 3: sideline and I'm sitting on the bench and those are
Speaker 3: that's the time for me when I yeah, I really
Speaker 3: for you, yeah, I mean he had a hand on
Speaker 3: me too.
Speaker 2: And then he does the fuck heating, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: is he Elliott stole that from dond Robinson. And then
Speaker 2: they score and I go to the soul whole your
Speaker 2: effort did not look great. Right there, that's a minus.
Speaker 2: That's a minus.
Speaker 1: I looked like as right there, Yeah, yeah, we can
Speaker 1: go ahead and say that.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting on the sideline and I'm wondering. I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: everybody like it's a Thanksgiving game. Everybody's watching the Cowboys
Speaker 3: play on Thanksgiving, yep. And I saw an articles like
Speaker 3: the most televised like football game that year and shit,
Speaker 3: and it's just I'm sitting there thinking like, well, I
Speaker 3: wonder what people are saying about me on Twitter. That's
Speaker 3: to me, that was a moment when I knew social
Speaker 3: media and other stuff was consuming my mind more than
Speaker 3: you know, forget the last play, move to the next one.
Speaker 3: It was more like I can't miss this tackle because
Speaker 3: I'm on the big stage and everybody's gonna fucking think
Speaker 3: I'm trash or no, that I'm trash, and that game
Speaker 3: is one of those games you're like, man, just get
Speaker 3: me fucking home and off the field.
Speaker 2: It's a weird thing. As terrible, it's a weird thing
Speaker 2: as an athlete.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever felt this way of
Speaker 1: feeling like you've made it, like you're a star in
Speaker 1: the NFL or you're a star in the NBA, and
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, Man, I.
Speaker 2: Hope I don't get exposed. Everyone knows I don't belong here.
Speaker 2: There's a feeling. Yes, yeah, that's normal. That is you
Speaker 2: felt that. Oh yeah, that's normal. Okay, most I think
Speaker 2: most well it's years of therapy. Yeah, but I love that.
Speaker 4: No, but it's it's I think most high achievers and anything.
Speaker 4: If you asked, I don't know what the percentage is,
Speaker 4: but be a large percentage of actors, actresses, musicians, professors,
Speaker 4: like like, unless you're a narcissist like that has like
Speaker 4: delusions of grander like you, you really do think at
Speaker 4: times like I'm gonna be exposed.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be exposed as a fraud. That sucks.
Speaker 1: It almost be better to be a narcissist. Honestly, it
Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like a nice deal, like you
Speaker 1: just don't know.
Speaker 2: I agree with you that way. Yeah, like imence ignorance.
Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, super, I'm not I'm that dude.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, no, you're not, You're like you guys are haters.
Speaker 1: But it's just fucking your narcissist. I gotta become a
Speaker 1: narcissist twenty twenty too, shit urcissis Taylor. Yeah, let's go. Hey,
Speaker 1: I do want to ask about your therapy. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like the therapy stuff is where that started to
Speaker 1: help you make your shift mentally in basketball? Like what
Speaker 1: did you learn from therapy about yourself that was holding
Speaker 1: you back?
Speaker 2: It's a great question.
Speaker 4: I think I I I learned, I learned who I was.
Speaker 4: I think I became more comfortable with who I was.
Speaker 4: And do ever, you guys ever take personality tests? Yeah,
Speaker 4: with the enneagram or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: so you know I've done. I did a bunch of
Speaker 4: college I did him in the NBA. I took one recently.
Speaker 4: My wife would me take one recently? And like fifteen
Speaker 4: twenty years ago, if I'd taken one, like on the
Speaker 4: introverted extroverted scale scale, I would be like ninety five
Speaker 4: percent introverted, and if I took one now, like i'd
Speaker 4: be like fifty six introverted. So I'm still introverted, but
Speaker 4: I like have gotten enough comfortable enough with who I
Speaker 4: am and myself and enough confidence and like the person,
Speaker 4: not the player, but the person. Because I was confident
Speaker 4: as a person, I could navigate NBA locker rooms, I
Speaker 4: could be a great teammate, I could be liaison between
Speaker 4: the coach and the player. It helped me on the court,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm just like I think it gave me
Speaker 4: a sense of perspective about who I was and my
Speaker 4: value as a human being. Again, it's like I'm nineteen
Speaker 4: and everybody's like, fuck you. You know, you drink your
Speaker 4: own pea. The best T shirt I ever saw was
Speaker 4: I was at Maryland my sophomore year and these guys
Speaker 4: had these white T shirts done and my picture was
Speaker 4: on the front. So I went a little closer to
Speaker 4: see what it said. And on the front it said
Speaker 4: when I grew up, I want to name my kid
Speaker 4: JJ Reddick. And so when I got close enough, they
Speaker 4: turned around so that I could see what was written
Speaker 4: on the back, and it said and beat him every day,
Speaker 4: which you know, that's savage, savage right, So like here again,
Speaker 4: I'm nineteen, I'm like, fuck, dude, you know so I
Speaker 4: think you drinks.
Speaker 2: No, I never have. I never have. But it was
Speaker 2: a very clever.
Speaker 4: So it was I think it was like becoming like
Speaker 4: just just confident, like it's not it's I don't think
Speaker 4: it's egotistical to be like sure of yourself, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. You could still be sure of yourself
Speaker 4: and be self aware enough to know when you're wrong,
Speaker 4: know when you fucked up, to know that it's not
Speaker 4: all about you, Like my dad. That was the greatest
Speaker 4: piece of advice I've ever got in my life.
Speaker 2: You tell me that.
Speaker 4: Every day as a kid, I'd complain about something like JJ,
Speaker 4: it's not always about you, not always about you. That
Speaker 4: helped me, you know, is a is a as a
Speaker 4: basketball player on a team sport. It helped me help
Speaker 4: me navigate everything. But I think I think that's what
Speaker 4: it came down. That's that's that's the real benefit later
Speaker 4: on in life, you know, as I became confident who
Speaker 4: I was, I I We'll see I've seen a therapist that
Speaker 4: lives on the West Coast and comes into New York
Speaker 4: like once a month, and I talked to him on
Speaker 4: the phone. But you know that more is like almost
Speaker 4: performance coaching, you know what I mean by that, Like,
Speaker 4: and he was the guy along with my wife really
Speaker 4: you know, but he kind of helped me get that
Speaker 4: last one percent to retire. It was like, but ninety
Speaker 4: nine percent of the way there for like a year.
Speaker 4: It was such a hard thing to let go of.
Speaker 4: And so him and I like met a couple of times.
Speaker 4: We did a bunch of these like time value proposition exercises,
Speaker 4: and we worked through some things why I want to play,
Speaker 4: why I don't want to play, And by the end
Speaker 4: of the second meeting, it was like, oh dude, it's
Speaker 4: crystal clear, like it's not even as not even a
Speaker 4: question about whether or not I should retire. I should retire,
Speaker 4: Like it's it's time, and I was very comfortable with
Speaker 4: doing it.
Speaker 2: So damn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, have you guys you guys don't you guys aren't
Speaker 4: in therapy?
Speaker 2: See therapists? Oh yeah, I see therapist every week.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I first started doing couples therapy before we got married,
Speaker 3: and then we like fell in love with the whole
Speaker 3: therapy aspect, like emotional intelligence, all that stuff, Like I'm
Speaker 3: I like love like looking into that stuff because I
Speaker 3: feel like you're psyche. It's like everything right, like losing
Speaker 3: control of yourself in a moment, like figuring out like
Speaker 3: why am I reacting to this?
Speaker 2: Or why am I.
Speaker 3: Getting upset or losing control? Or what am I scared of?
Speaker 3: Like being in therapy and actually talking about like it's
Speaker 3: like it's like you get the dead ends, like when
Speaker 3: you're in conversations with friends or buddies or something else
Speaker 3: and you don't nearly you don't nearly go as far
Speaker 3: as what you would in therapy, like there's nowhere to
Speaker 3: go and you're in a safe place, and then they
Speaker 3: ask those extra questions that actually get you talking about
Speaker 3: like the underlying thing that like breaks you, and then
Speaker 3: you're in tears for whatever reason, and then you come
Speaker 3: out of it and you're like, you know, you start
Speaker 3: learning about yourself a lot more.
Speaker 4: So, I'm glad that I'm glad that this is a
Speaker 4: safe space for us space.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a safe space. You work with what's the
Speaker 2: dow's name.
Speaker 3: You work with Armando.
Speaker 1: Armando at least part of cheat code, and it's like
Speaker 1: supposed to do a bunch of things he does, like
Speaker 1: a sound way and different songs and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and you put those on. He talks you through stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool because you talk about what's what's
Speaker 1: bothering you in this moment. It's like a present feeling,
Speaker 1: like what's what's the he that's bothering me the most?
Speaker 1: And he'll be like, all right, look forward, like how
Speaker 1: do you feel when you look forward and think about it?
Speaker 1: You're like, well, I feel this way. And then you
Speaker 1: look right and look left and you're really present. You
Speaker 1: can notice like when you look whether it's right or
Speaker 1: left or middle, like some areas feel worse or better
Speaker 1: than others, so whatever's worse. He'll be like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's start there, or sometimes we'll start what's better, and
Speaker 1: then you just work through He's all right, now fixate
Speaker 1: on a spot, and then every sixty seconds, but like,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about right now? And then he
Speaker 1: you start talking to him, and then at one point
Speaker 1: while you're talking, it'll be rambling him like stop stop
Speaker 1: right there and go with that, and then you just
Speaker 1: kind of keep working through it. And I'd say majority
Speaker 1: of the times ends in tears because you're just trying
Speaker 1: to Yeah, you're just trying to figure out You're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, why do I you do
Speaker 1: certain things so that other people approve of you when
Speaker 1: you can't just approve yourself?
Speaker 4: Like what is that from from being a child or whatever?
Speaker 4: And like how do you get to a point where
Speaker 4: you're the only ones trying to person to yourself? And
Speaker 4: it's just it's like you said, like the whole growth
Speaker 4: thing is it's super It's the most important thing. It's
Speaker 4: probably it's the most important thing as a human to do.
Speaker 4: And we talk about reading, like we're both like trying.
Speaker 2: To read more. And when I got to read, I'm.
Speaker 4: Like to look at a fiction book like a book
Speaker 4: that's not real. It's not a self help of Like
Speaker 4: it's so hard for me to go and read that
Speaker 4: because I could go find something that's going to help
Speaker 4: me like be a better person, you know. And so
Speaker 4: that's that's something definitely, And it's like you said all
Speaker 4: the time, it's the most important thing, like with whether
Speaker 4: it's sports, being a father, being a husband, all that stuff.
Speaker 4: On the emotional intelligence, he's doing it again, No, I
Speaker 4: was not a question. It was a comment to Will's
Speaker 4: comment is that, Okay, that's all right.
Speaker 2: Okay, carry immediately we started it.
Speaker 4: No, I would say this is a little bit of
Speaker 4: a call back to what we were talking about earlier
Speaker 4: about what will I ever be good at anything else?
Speaker 4: And I think what I realized at the end my career,
Speaker 4: and what I've realized over the last nine months is
Speaker 4: like when you develop that side of your personality and
Speaker 4: developed that side of your brain, you can fit anywhere.
Speaker 4: Being able to like what we do, what you guys
Speaker 4: have done for a long time, what I did for
Speaker 4: fifteen years and prior to that at Duke in high school, AAU,
Speaker 4: all that stuff, like what you do in a locker
Speaker 4: room and being able to navigate that year in year out,
Speaker 4: like that is building a skill set, and by building
Speaker 4: your emotional intelligence, like you can fit anywhere, you could
Speaker 4: do anything. I really believe that I'm not going to
Speaker 4: develop a rocket. It's going to take us to Mars.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying, but there's other like that that's like
Speaker 4: almost like a like a skill set that is overlooked.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, i'd agree with you. Have you read
Speaker 3: an emotional intelligence two point zero? No?
Speaker 2: I haven't. Where do you get the emotional intelligence thing from.
Speaker 4: The first time I heard it was actually, uh is
Speaker 4: now become a good friend of mine. David Solomon who
Speaker 4: now runs Golden Sacks. I met him, he was not
Speaker 4: running Golden Sacks, was not the CEO. But yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a little flex.
Speaker 2: But no, but it was. It was like the first time.
Speaker 2: It was the first time I'd ever heard the phrase.
Speaker 4: I spoke at this This was like in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: I spoke on this panel at this retreat that Goldvin
Speaker 4: Sachs was having for like tech and media CEOs.
Speaker 2: I have no idea why I was invited. I really
Speaker 2: truly don't know.
Speaker 4: But I spoke on this panel with Maverick Carter and
Speaker 4: Casey Wasserman and David and I spent some time together
Speaker 4: at the dinner that night, and it was the first
Speaker 4: time that he brought it. I was like, you, you
Speaker 4: have good emotional intelligence. You could you know, you can
Speaker 4: work on Wall Street if you want it. Like, oh,
Speaker 4: So then I like started reading about it, and then
Speaker 4: I started thinking about like how it relates to my
Speaker 4: own life, Like it's it goes back to like anything
Speaker 4: we do as an athlete, like our routine visualization, all
Speaker 4: that stuff. It's like it's like that constant flow state
Speaker 4: and so like being able to check in with yourself.
Speaker 4: What am I projecting on other people? What is that
Speaker 4: person projecting onto someone else? Like I'm constantly thinking about that,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's why it's been so
Speaker 4: enjoyable for me to have you guys in my chair
Speaker 4: and ask you these questions.
Speaker 3: Been very specially, it's been a very special time.
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Speaker 3: And now back to the show. Are we doing tier talk? Oh,
Speaker 3: we get some tear talk. You have some tear talk.
Speaker 2: We can have some tear talk.
Speaker 3: Let's do some tear talk now. My question, so tear talk.
Speaker 3: You guys are getting familiar with tiar talk. Everybody out
Speaker 3: there in the audience. It's something newer that we've done,
Speaker 3: but it's we have a tear system, we have our
Speaker 3: our audience. There's tier ones out there, tier twos, and
Speaker 3: tier threes. Now we bring it into a segment where
Speaker 3: we rate things. Most notably recently has been the burger
Speaker 3: thing that's one out there a couple of times when
Speaker 3: we rate it in and out, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: what's your favorite fast food burger? I saw all that
Speaker 3: my favorite fast food burger? Man, it's definitely not in
Speaker 3: and out?
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, we need then the questions over the question
Speaker 2: is now over, Like it's fine. It's not like but
Speaker 2: you watch my thing and you're like, yeah, I totally
Speaker 2: co signed with you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's like, fine, dude, this is great.
Speaker 2: I'm having a blast. Okay, God, well talk about you know,
Speaker 2: let's see what his favorite fast food burger is. Uh.
Speaker 4: I'm actually I would probably say what a burger because
Speaker 4: I lived in Austin and that's probably like I think
Speaker 4: it's I think it's good.
Speaker 2: I don't what about are we are we like solid burger?
Speaker 2: Like are we doing like it's five guys fast food?
Speaker 2: Is that not fast food? That's that's a that's a
Speaker 2: big question people are saying right now. Yeah, because there's
Speaker 2: no drive.
Speaker 3: Through, drive through, which I do, like, I understand.
Speaker 4: It's five guys, is more on the fast casual side
Speaker 4: like Chipotle.
Speaker 3: Basically, Oh, I don't even think a fast casual. It's
Speaker 3: the second time i've heard that. Charles said it about Shakeshack.
Speaker 3: She's like, Shakeshack, Like Shakeshack, I think is awesome. She's like,
Speaker 3: but it's a little more fast casual because yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3: There's no drive through.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you fancy, yeah, yeah, you fancy you.
Speaker 4: Think the number one burger is because I'm sure you've
Speaker 4: talked about you guys, but that's not that's not fast food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take okay, so just drive throughs. I bet you,
Speaker 2: I bet you men and out Burger makes it up.
Speaker 2: There doesn't. I was gonna say shake Shack, but shakes
Speaker 2: I mean Hartys.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, Yeah, Carl Parties is fire. What a burger
Speaker 3: is good? In and out is good. And I said,
Speaker 3: but you're thinking and out burger is better than what
Speaker 3: a burger? No, you know you're just saying.
Speaker 2: I'm lying. In and out burger is better than.
Speaker 1: In and out would be your number best fast burger.
Speaker 1: Carls Junior one in and Out too. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: once five guys has taken out for you kind of falla.
Speaker 2: Because I think Shakeshack is good. Yeah, you kind of
Speaker 2: fall apart. Just a classy bitch, dude, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's funny as all right. So basically, so
Speaker 2: tears dog go ahead.
Speaker 3: You rattled me, You rattled me. I'm not even thinking
Speaker 3: about that anymore. I'm trying to think of out fast
Speaker 3: because we just found out that everything really stilled themselves
Speaker 3: on the last two weeks.
Speaker 2: It's not anymore.
Speaker 3: I think the spicy ketchup is overrated at what a burger?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm okay, because because Texas are big on that
Speaker 3: perfect the whole the whole thing for me was coming
Speaker 3: from Missouri like you be in the locker rooms and
Speaker 3: when you travel like a Texas game or will you
Speaker 3: we go on the West Coast to play Arizona and
Speaker 3: the guys who are on your team or West Coast like, oh,
Speaker 3: we got to go to in and Out and dudes
Speaker 3: from Texas immediate argument in the locker about what a
Speaker 3: burger in and out? So I always look forward to
Speaker 3: going to these spots to try these both all these
Speaker 3: different burgers, and now that I've had them a few
Speaker 3: different times each, I do think I wanted to like
Speaker 3: what a burger more because again, I I'm more so
Speaker 3: like love to just argue against the West Coast people
Speaker 3: because they're so prideful about in and out Burger.
Speaker 2: But I would say in and out Burger is probably
Speaker 2: better burger than what a burger.
Speaker 1: Try fat burger too, Well, that's not all you drive
Speaker 1: through either, that's casual.
Speaker 2: Man, we learned something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but on this tier talk, we're gonna be doing
Speaker 3: should we do pizza toppings or pizzas.
Speaker 5: To where you can combine certain toppings and the well,
Speaker 5: but some people like just a pepperoni pizza, riches pizza
Speaker 5: or like whatever.
Speaker 2: We're not the thing you can toppings themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'd be difficult too. I don't know where
Speaker 1: I'd stand on that, but I don't know where you
Speaker 1: stand if I had to rank the number one topping.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, are we gonna say if
Speaker 3: if Taylor.
Speaker 2: Says that show?
Speaker 4: I don't know how the tear talk were.
Speaker 2: I think it's best pizza. I think best pizza. Yeah,
Speaker 2: whatever is.
Speaker 1: Your best your number one favorite pizza tears. You know what,
Speaker 1: We'll do our three favorite pizzas and then you guys
Speaker 1: will tear it for us. No, what do you mean
Speaker 1: here for us? Because if we're doing tier talk, there's
Speaker 1: tier one, two, and three.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So JJ says my favorite pizza is X, and you
Speaker 1: say my favorite pizza is why, and I say my
Speaker 1: favorit pizza is Z. How are we gonna tear that?
Speaker 1: We can't because we'd always say that our pizza is
Speaker 1: number one.
Speaker 2: Right, But that's what we did with Bert with the
Speaker 2: fast food burger.
Speaker 3: We go one, two, three, like we quietly let JJ
Speaker 3: have the floor and he does this tier one through three.
Speaker 1: But if you're just making a pizza, there's no he's
Speaker 1: gonna make three pizza for us right now.
Speaker 2: Off the top of my head, I can go. Let's go,
Speaker 2: I feel like everyone. Yeah, I can say three pizzas.
Speaker 2: I'll figure out way say three pizza. You can go last, Taylor,
Speaker 2: you can go. I'm always going last.
Speaker 3: Now, JJ, you have the floor, All right's gonna go.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go in an order of how I want
Speaker 4: to eat these pizzas. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know a little bit.
Speaker 4: More so I like, if you go to a great
Speaker 4: pizza place like Luke Collie in Brooklyn, I would I
Speaker 4: would want to eat them in this order. Not the
Speaker 4: entire pizza. I'm not that glutinous, but maybe a slice
Speaker 4: or two of each. What I'm saying, gluatness is one
Speaker 4: of the seven deadly since I've been glad. I would
Speaker 4: start with two toppings that you guys don't actually have
Speaker 4: on this graphic here, which.
Speaker 2: Your number one? This is number one?
Speaker 4: I would say, this is my number one pizza, okay,
Speaker 4: number one, Like I just want like shallotts and hot peppers.
Speaker 2: Shallattes and hot peppers. Let's just let them have the floor,
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 4: Second pizza would be what I call a twin special,
Speaker 4: my wife's saired pizza along with her twin ago pepperoni,
Speaker 4: white onion, green pepper. And then for kind of like
Speaker 4: a dessert, I would go with ricotta sausage and maybe
Speaker 4: some some stage mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I fucked you guys up tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you why you did your chef special
Speaker 1: on us just now, so my man knows it's pizzas.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: You have the floor, my tier one. You already laughing
Speaker 3: because I just feel like you just said some artistic
Speaker 3: ship and you're gonna go sausage.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is hard.
Speaker 3: My Tier one is very hard because there's a couple
Speaker 3: of pieces I'm thinking about. Well, either way, I got
Speaker 3: to decide this tier one. That's what the hard part is.
Speaker 3: But I think if I had to order a pizza,
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4: Wait, he texted me this last night, so he's he's
Speaker 4: had twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: I thought about the entire I thought about my one.
Speaker 2: I know exactly what I have it.
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go like a sweet heat where
Speaker 3: you got pepperoni halapao's. I love onions, so you can
Speaker 3: just throw onions on them. That's not really part of it.
Speaker 3: But I do love onions. But you throw like a
Speaker 3: uh you get the red pepper flakes, but you also
Speaker 3: drizzled honey over top.
Speaker 2: You drizzle honey honey. Yeah, some MIC's hot honey. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: My number two is Hawaiian. That's what battle for my
Speaker 3: number one. I'm a big Hawaiian pizza guy. I believe
Speaker 3: in pineapples on pizza. I am pro pineapple on pizza.
Speaker 3: And my number three.
Speaker 2: Big CPK guy.
Speaker 3: I love supremes, I love meat lovers, but I think
Speaker 3: if I had to order, I would go pepperoni and bacon.
Speaker 2: My Tier three, M Taylor take it.
Speaker 1: From here, brother, Okay, My Tier three is gonna be
Speaker 1: very basic, extremely basic. It's gonna be your Neapolitan cheese pizza.
Speaker 1: I think you can't beat it. You got a little
Speaker 1: bit of garnish on there, you got your cheese, your sauce,
Speaker 1: and I think it's fantastic with the fluffy crust, it's
Speaker 1: it's outstanding.
Speaker 2: That's my Tier three. My Tier two is.
Speaker 1: Also the Hawaiian pizza, but with a spice. You gotta
Speaker 1: throw banana peppers on there or jalapinos. I like a
Speaker 1: little spice.
Speaker 2: I have the four.
Speaker 1: And number one is going to be I almost said
Speaker 1: yes when you said sopk because I'm a barbecue chicken
Speaker 1: pizza guy. That's my number one barbecue sauce chicken. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: a little on on there. I think it's out It's
Speaker 1: my favorite possible pizza I can make for myself.
Speaker 2: Barb cute chickens, Robert good chicken.
Speaker 3: Now that we're done, What the fuck was that, dude? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What did you say? What was your number one? Shallots
Speaker 2: and what shallots and Pepperoni's shallots? Shalots on pizza? It's
Speaker 2: a cheat coat. What's a shalat? A shalot is like
Speaker 2: like a little onion right between like a red onion garlic.
Speaker 2: I like garlic, Yeah, I like onions.
Speaker 3: I mean I like both those cook a little bit.
Speaker 3: Shallat and sheldon what uh? Hot peppers? Hot peppers? How
Speaker 3: some of those are like terrible and greases. I'm just
Speaker 3: thinking you're tier one. You're like, hey, JJ, what do
Speaker 3: you want to eat? They got someone with the shallots
Speaker 3: and not peppers on it.
Speaker 4: Here's the fuck man. I am not not a CPK hater.
Speaker 4: I think I think restaurants like CPK Chili's TJ Fridays
Speaker 4: like they have their place in America, and I respect them,
Speaker 4: and I've ate a lot of meals at places like that,
Speaker 4: But you're.
Speaker 2: Better than them.
Speaker 4: That question where you guys are eating pizza based on you,
Speaker 4: you guys saying Hawaiian pizza for both of you was
Speaker 4: number two?
Speaker 2: Fire and a barbecue chicken said number one.
Speaker 1: I think question that, I think you can't touch barbecue
Speaker 1: chicken pizza if you have the right barbecue sauce on it.
Speaker 3: Brother, that's the one thing, like I mean cheese to me,
Speaker 3: I was like, but everybody some people like like their
Speaker 3: cheese pizza.
Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like a coastal elite here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna sound like a coastal elite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not getting you.
Speaker 4: Like I live in New York. I live in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: Brooklyn is the best pizza in the world. Like, the
Speaker 4: ship is discussed, what do you mean the ship that
Speaker 4: we're talking about? So you would need a sweet heat.
Speaker 4: I think you ragged it, like, oh that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah you said that, you actually did it. I think
Speaker 4: you said that so sweet heat sounded nice.
Speaker 3: Hawaiian pizzazza is fire, bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a coastal elite, you guys should just sit on
Speaker 1: the traditional ingredients and you guys just make the best
Speaker 1: pizza and that's it.
Speaker 2: That's how I think a coastal elite works.
Speaker 1: So I think by you doing by you doing some
Speaker 1: special like challottes and hot peppers, does that make you
Speaker 1: a coastal leaders? Make you use your you're just a
Speaker 1: little fluff ad your TJ fright us with some Fluff's
Speaker 1: what it sounds like to me, it's just what it
Speaker 1: sounds like.
Speaker 2: But I will agree on the barbecue chicken part. The
Speaker 2: barbecue chicken throws me off.
Speaker 1: Brokay, I'm not here to argue that part. I've gone
Speaker 1: downhill within an out burger. I've seen what the people
Speaker 1: have done. If Seal will stow to do to me,
Speaker 1: I think it's fucking ridiculous. Chicken pizza, honestly shameful of
Speaker 1: you guys to handle you yourself the way you have.
Speaker 2: I think it's fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I think barbecue chicken pizza is the best pizza by
Speaker 3: cue chicken pizza.
Speaker 2: No, they wouldn't eat Barbie chicken pizza. We wouldn't feed that,
Speaker 2: y'all fucking up. We wouldn't feed that. You're fucking up
Speaker 2: you like a Barbie.
Speaker 8: My daughter?
Speaker 3: What's my daughter to mellow mushroom last Sunday?
Speaker 1: She wants to go back this, she wants to go
Speaker 1: back tonight. I probably go get one tonight. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm an order the Barbieae chicken pizza. Nope, hang on, no,
Speaker 1: I'm like go half and half now.
Speaker 2: Look wine is fucking goot.
Speaker 4: A little little heat on it? Right, Yeah, I'll put
Speaker 4: a little sweet heat on it. Absolutely, I did like
Speaker 4: the sweet heat vibe.
Speaker 3: You want to know where you get that pizza at?
Speaker 3: Go Ahead Midnight Oil. So if a fifty first, no free,
Speaker 3: shout us to Midnight Oil. But you go to Midnight
Speaker 3: Oil and you order a sweet heat pizza pizza from
Speaker 3: and I don't like that. Let him know the boy
Speaker 3: sent you. Okay, a little something in.
Speaker 1: There once you know I sent me and I wanted
Speaker 1: to just sweet hate pizza.
Speaker 2: Please, it's it's phenomenal. Really, are you here until tomorrow? Bad?
Speaker 2: Leave tonight? What time? Uh ship a little bit? Yeah,
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, is this one of those show at seven
Speaker 1: thirty things? Are we getting there a couple of hours early.
Speaker 2: To my flight? Yeah?
Speaker 7: No, I don't get or I don't go to the
Speaker 7: airport early. Who does that? I'm not a But here's
Speaker 7: what we're trying to ask. Driving there to fly out
Speaker 7: at seven thirty? Are you getting there at an hour
Speaker 7: hour and a half before?
Speaker 2: But we're going through TSA. Are we're not going to tsay? Oh,
Speaker 2: I see what you're asking.
Speaker 4: I see what you're asking you guys flew me down
Speaker 4: like I'm like this this trip was not on me.
Speaker 7: Oh, he's right now, you know what he is, right,
Speaker 7: bar barstol Fleet, you're our first.
Speaker 3: Guest that we've flown down to be on us. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we've just started kind of doing that. You should ask
Speaker 3: for some money, probably would have gave it to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just my pleasure to be on the show.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: I love that your show. No, I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: think I'm not a I'm not. I'm not that level it. Guys,
Speaker 2: you don't like barbecue chicken pizza. I don't like what
Speaker 2: we're talking about. Are we're not talking about we're not
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: Talking about private jets? Yes, I last start too extreme
Speaker 1: right now to be doing that. I don't think barbecue
Speaker 1: pizza is trash. I just don't order it or I
Speaker 1: don like. To me, it's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: I felt that way about Supreme. It's really just staple.
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like, all the extra shit on
Speaker 1: it yours and I said it was solid.
Speaker 3: You have Barbie Chicken, any Barbie CHICKI Chicken in the
Speaker 3: back there, Chicken b Ranch.
Speaker 2: It's number one by far, Like it's not even fucking
Speaker 2: close that Hobbin Aero cream Pie. Holy fuck dude.
Speaker 1: Yes see, that's where it kind of throws me off
Speaker 1: when he start talking aboutizzas, because there's like that's like
Speaker 1: a gourmet pizza, like five points is like Jack Brown's
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways with the burgers, Like you
Speaker 1: can't like just go like if I were to say
Speaker 1: to you, guys are like jalapenos, but the seeds carved
Speaker 1: out with cream cheese on on it. Also, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to be able to explain that pizza.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I thought JJ's gonna explain something. Did I think he did?
Speaker 3: I still we need an interpret to figure out what
Speaker 3: you said? Yeah, what was the Yeah you said a
Speaker 3: little bit of stage.
Speaker 2: And that's where I was like, you.
Speaker 4: Guys have had like a fried sage leaf before, like
Speaker 4: a little bit of little fried sage leaf on the
Speaker 4: sausage in ricotta pizza.
Speaker 2: That does sound like white sauce. Like I look like
Speaker 2: a guy that had fried stage on my pizza in
Speaker 2: your life? You've never had fried sage? Did you have
Speaker 2: when you grew up? Fried stage? It's seven bucks?
Speaker 3: Is chicken expensive? It sounds expensive. It just sounds expensive
Speaker 3: to me, Like he's a very expensive place.
Speaker 2: Is it is? It must have been nice? But what
Speaker 2: was that? Why don't you move down in Nashville? What's up? Sorry?
Speaker 2: I go do what's question first? Well again, what was
Speaker 2: the dry I get you explained? What what about it?
Speaker 2: What was what were the toppings? What? Ricotta? Cheese, sausage
Speaker 2: and fried sage? See?
Speaker 3: I think table combo. It sounds like it's like a
Speaker 3: tasty pizza, for sure. But if we're just like ranking
Speaker 3: our pizzas, dude, and you're saying sage and racanon sausage.
Speaker 4: I actually the best thing I heard from both of
Speaker 4: you was just a classic Neapolitan cheese pizza.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think that's well that's.
Speaker 1: Because I said garnish too. Did you hear I started
Speaker 1: sound fancy like you, I said garnish. So basically, what
Speaker 1: you just fucking said with all those fancy words is
Speaker 1: a sausage pizza with a little bit of age keys
Speaker 1: A sausage pizza. Toasted me that green ship on there
Speaker 1: as was what you said to the person on the counter.
Speaker 4: You like melow mushroom, though I do Melo pizza, I
Speaker 4: underrated pizza.
Speaker 1: I went my daughter to a birthday party last week,
Speaker 1: Chuck E Cheese. Don't fucking at me, dude, that Chuck
Speaker 1: E Cheese is low key fire Peter Harper Pizza.
Speaker 3: For those of you in the West, chuck e Cheese
Speaker 3: in a long time.
Speaker 2: So I'll when and I went.
Speaker 4: That, When and I went there, it was the pretty
Speaker 4: money grown up so we couldn't go to Chuck e Cheese, that's.
Speaker 3: Crazy, that's cray. We got the fried stage though. Huh,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of sausage and fried sage.
Speaker 2: He just said sausage and cheese pizza.
Speaker 3: I know he did, but he's also he's also like,
Speaker 3: the only thing you guys said good was the cheese pizza.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, like, bro stop anything like you didn't
Speaker 3: react and I said sweet heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did say that because I almost because when
Speaker 1: you said that's well, I almost said, hey, we don't
Speaker 1: react here.
Speaker 2: We don't react on the tier talk, do you know.
Speaker 2: I know, trying to keep it. That's why I was
Speaker 2: holding it in while he was going, well picture when
Speaker 2: he said the sweet heat.
Speaker 4: I'm pictured. There's a there's a place called Emily in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: It makes a great burger as well as guy, No,
Speaker 4: it's kidding, good water's better up there, man, Like, what
Speaker 4: do you want me to say the water's better for pizza?
Speaker 2: Why the bagels are so good?
Speaker 4: And bagels, but Emily has like a like a sweet
Speaker 4: heat pizza that basically is the description what you described.
Speaker 2: And they do a little MIC's hot honey on the
Speaker 2: top and you've had it and I've had it. Fire,
Speaker 2: it's fire. It's a good pizza.
Speaker 3: You just don't I think you don't agree with pineapple
Speaker 3: and pizza.
Speaker 4: No it sus I don't wake up, you know, well,
Speaker 4: who's the morning and be like I'm the things. I
Speaker 4: can't waitant people tonight and I want to put pineapple
Speaker 4: on it. Like that's just a weird thing to me.
Speaker 4: It's that mush mushrooms. Like I eat everything, but mushrooms.
Speaker 4: I can't. I can't touch. I can't touch mushrooms.
Speaker 2: Not for me.
Speaker 4: Now Italian truffles, I could hear.
Speaker 2: Whiplash. I'm turning looking at you so fast, dude.
Speaker 1: What was the second pizza you say, because you were
Speaker 1: kind of did it run like a run on sentence
Speaker 1: for the last special?
Speaker 2: Huh, twins special. It's just simple pepperoni, white onion, green pepper.
Speaker 2: We just got to start naming our shit cool so
Speaker 2: it sounds better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said white onion, like when he said when
Speaker 1: he said the way when you I'm saying even out there.
Speaker 1: When he was talking like that, I legit thought to myself,
Speaker 1: like we picked the wrong category.
Speaker 2: We're about to say sausage and ship. You know, we're
Speaker 2: about to say basic ship. I believed in what I
Speaker 2: was about to say. I stay, I stay in tantoed down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he said twins pizza, he said ricotta. He
Speaker 1: used the word ricotta, stayed cheese.
Speaker 2: And what's crazy is he been thinking about that since
Speaker 2: last night. Yeah, he's a homework guy. He's got fifteen
Speaker 2: pages on both of us. Forgot where I was from Instnia.
Speaker 4: I the only reason I thought of all those pizzas
Speaker 4: because when I saw the toppings, I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh shall it's not on there? Can I ask you
Speaker 2: a hard hit?
Speaker 4: Went back to the catalog in my brain. Can I
Speaker 4: ask you a hard hitting basketball question? Who's the greatest
Speaker 4: of all time?
Speaker 2: Man? Who's the goat? I like that second part question
Speaker 2: was Michael Jordan narcissist. I think it's like it's one A,
Speaker 2: one B to me. I don't I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: like that answer.
Speaker 1: I want you to take a strong one A Who's Ah.
Speaker 4: It's weird because Jordan is who I like, grew up watching,
Speaker 4: but then Lebron is who I played against, and it's
Speaker 4: hard for me to like pick either one. Kyle Korver
Speaker 4: once said to me, he's like, you know, like MJ.
Speaker 4: I know the accompliment. Accomplishments are great, but like MJ
Speaker 4: had to take two years off. So like the discredit
Speaker 4: Lebron gets for making eight straight finals, I think is
Speaker 4: kind of insane. So I'm I had to say it.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say Jordan one A that.
Speaker 2: Was your say answer because if you would have said Lebron,
Speaker 2: you'd got torched. Jordan is Jordan? Okay, Lebron's your two?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah? What about Kobe? Great player? Great player?
Speaker 2: Oh you know what.
Speaker 4: Here's the here's the other thing I've learned, especially in
Speaker 4: the last year, is the you guys know what a
Speaker 4: stand is, right, yes, yes, okay, eminent callback.
Speaker 2: The song is incredible, too, incredible song.
Speaker 4: What I've realized is that certain players stands are fucking insane.
Speaker 4: On social media, and I said a bunch of nice
Speaker 4: things about Steph Curry the other day, And but the
Speaker 4: question was who do you want in the clutch? More
Speaker 4: Luca or Staph. I saw that, but I said in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, I said Luca. And the amount of
Speaker 4: hate that I got from the Steph stands.
Speaker 2: Do you think he deserved it? A little bit? Greatest
Speaker 2: shooter of all time?
Speaker 4: Again, that wasn't the question, though, game in the line,
Speaker 4: who do you want the ball in their hands?
Speaker 2: The question, yeah, exactly, And I said, Luca, who do
Speaker 2: you want with the ball? But why diys?
Speaker 1: But if he if my man can just pull up
Speaker 1: at the logo and splash that thing and no problem,
Speaker 1: then we don't need size. Oh I sound like a
Speaker 1: basketball right now. Luca is big, he's a dominant player.
Speaker 1: He can't shoot like Steph. Everyone knows that no one
Speaker 1: can shoot like stuff. Okay, so why wouldn't you put
Speaker 1: Do you need a basket?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: The whole concept of basketball is to put the ball
Speaker 4: in the hoop. The issue more is like how you
Speaker 4: go get the basket?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like so when I think about like watch, I think
Speaker 4: I look at statistics because they track those about your honis.
Speaker 2: The best player in the world right now, you'd rather
Speaker 2: have Luca over him too.
Speaker 4: No, the question was the question that I got asked,
Speaker 4: was Luc or Steph, Well and bust one of the boys.
Speaker 4: We like to throw in wrenches, you know what. There's
Speaker 4: like ten guys I'd like to have in the clutch
Speaker 4: with the ball in their hands.
Speaker 2: All right, but go on to me about Luca. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to throw you in there.
Speaker 4: What I was when I think about, like, who do
Speaker 4: I want to have the ball in their hands in
Speaker 4: the clutch, It's guys like Luca's, guys like Lebron who
Speaker 4: have size, because they're going to create a shot, whether
Speaker 4: that's against the double team, whether that's one on one,
Speaker 4: they're going to create a shot. There's nothing wrong with
Speaker 4: saying Steph in that answer, by the way, and he's
Speaker 4: made a ton of clutch shots. I was basing some
Speaker 4: of it on just this past season. Steph was ten
Speaker 4: for fifty one from three in the clutch this season.
Speaker 4: So like, some of that is recency bias, which is
Speaker 4: another thing I've learned in the media. We all have
Speaker 4: versus of the moment. I like to describe stephen A
Speaker 4: as that. It's another phrase that I see that I
Speaker 4: use Yeah, yeah, it sucks.
Speaker 2: It sucks. I can't imagine.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine getting the point where like, you have
Speaker 4: a show every day and you're like, man, I got
Speaker 4: to fill two fucking hours with the same take, but
Speaker 4: in a different way.
Speaker 2: That's tough. I like to pop in and pop out.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved what you love the clapping back you
Speaker 3: were doing on a mad Dog. I think every young
Speaker 3: generation an athlete, young generation person was fairly hype about that.
Speaker 4: The one thing I'll say, and this is not in
Speaker 4: sort of any direction towards Matt Dog. The one thing
Speaker 4: I say is like I and I'm sure you guys
Speaker 4: have seen this too. I have witnessed and lived both
Speaker 4: in my own personal experience and my peers experience a
Speaker 4: lot of tired narratives around athletes. And you know, I
Speaker 4: remember going through the lockout and seeing articles written about athletes,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, why, why is everybody siding with the
Speaker 4: billionaire owners and not the athletes. It's there's something about
Speaker 4: athletes that people think we're entitled, that people think we're
Speaker 4: our only value is to entertain you on a basketball
Speaker 4: court or a football field, that we're not allowed to
Speaker 4: be intelligent and speak our mind or speak an opinion,
Speaker 4: or to protest or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: And it's so dehumanizing and so demeaning, and a lot of.
Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff that has gone viral on
Speaker 4: first take has been in a direct response to some
Speaker 4: of those narratives. And that's one example of it. But
Speaker 4: you know the other part of it, I don't really
Speaker 4: want to talk about. Sure, the undertone I don't want
Speaker 4: to talk about, but you know, so much of that
Speaker 4: is like, hold on a second, Like the narrative is wrong,
Speaker 4: the narrative is tired.
Speaker 2: Let's let's start a new narrative that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, I do want to ask before I know, we've.
Speaker 2: Been We've had a long pot and we got to
Speaker 2: play it.
Speaker 9: In the game of pig, is is coach Is Coach
Speaker 9: K a psycho from the outside When you watch a
Speaker 9: lot of situations unfold, it seems like a lot of
Speaker 9: things that he does seems very calculated.
Speaker 3: Huh and uh, And yes, I'm wondering it's like, is
Speaker 3: coach K?
Speaker 4: But I guess I guess when you because my version
Speaker 4: of a psycho, my definition of a psycho. I I
Speaker 4: also use the word sicko interchangeably about when I talk
Speaker 4: about people.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, and like, what's your sort of definition?
Speaker 1: Psycho is pretty hardcore, over the top, very much, brilliant,
Speaker 1: demonstrative on players. Hardcore makes you feel less than a
Speaker 1: lot of the time, stassistic, narcissistic.
Speaker 3: Understand manipulative game that he can do with players. I mean,
Speaker 3: you've played for him, there's been a lot.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I don't. I think I think manipulative is
Speaker 2: the wrong word. I think.
Speaker 4: The word you use about calculative, I think that's probably
Speaker 4: more appropriate.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: He's definitely not, definitely not a narcissist. He's definitely not
Speaker 4: a psycho in sort of the traditional sense. He is
Speaker 4: very intense and he's very demanding, but he's a truth teller.
Speaker 2: He is always a truth teller.
Speaker 4: And you know, my four years with him, I say
Speaker 4: this sincerely, my four years with him, I never saw
Speaker 4: him have a bad day, like not at what he's on.
Speaker 4: He's on every day we get back from Virginia Tech
Speaker 4: on the bus at three am. He you know, we
Speaker 4: lose meeting. You know, we're in there for an hour.
Speaker 4: We got practice the next day. He's on the bike
Speaker 4: at six am. He comes to practice, energize, ready to go,
Speaker 4: ready to coach. He's like that with every team he's
Speaker 4: ever been on. He's so invested in and takes such
Speaker 4: ownership you know, or did take such ownership of being
Speaker 4: a coach, being a duke basketball coach, like that program.
Speaker 4: He's phenomenal. And I get to a degree when someone
Speaker 4: sees him motherfucking a raft or motherfucking a nineteen year old,
Speaker 4: Like I get why people are like, oh.
Speaker 2: He's he's a psycho.
Speaker 4: He's a psycho, But like I actually would say, all
Speaker 4: the good shit that said about him is true. And
Speaker 4: then so like he's my dad is the greatest man
Speaker 4: that I've ever known. I didn't have to look far
Speaker 4: for a role model. Coach is the second. Like, coach
Speaker 4: is phenomenal.
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 4: Became friends with him my junior year and we've been
Speaker 4: friends now for whatever that is, seventeen years. He's like
Speaker 4: such an important part of my life and it has
Speaker 4: been for you know, since two thousand when I committed,
Speaker 4: Like he's just he's the man.
Speaker 2: I love that dude.
Speaker 1: After your little stint your sophomore year when you were
Speaker 1: brought back and put on a big schedule. Did you
Speaker 1: and him ever talk about it, like reminisced maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago about it, like, hey, you were
Speaker 1: I was worried about you there for a second. Do
Speaker 1: you ever give you that he didn't know if you're
Speaker 1: going to make it.
Speaker 4: We talked a little bit about it when he came
Speaker 4: on the podcast in the fall of twenty twenty. But
Speaker 4: actually the moment we became friends and the moment that
Speaker 4: I felt like he wasn't just my coach was that
Speaker 4: following spring we lost in the sweet sixteen to Michigan
Speaker 4: State in Austin War School.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Terrible, And you know I had I'd gone through all
Speaker 4: that my sophomore year and then I, you know, got
Speaker 4: ACC Player of the Year, ACC Tournament, Tournament, m v P,
Speaker 4: First Team All American, I got one of the national
Speaker 4: Player of the Year awards, I got the Rough Award,
Speaker 4: and we yeah, let's give it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Context context matters, Yeah, no doubt, high point, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: So he called he called me into where we we
Speaker 4: lose at the arena. We're all emotional, I'm crying, and
Speaker 4: we'll get on the bus. He's like, hey, come to
Speaker 4: my hotel room. We'll get back to the hotel and
Speaker 4: we went in there and we basically talked about that.
Speaker 4: We talked about that day in May of two thousand
Speaker 4: and four when he dragged me, when they dragged me
Speaker 4: to the office. Talked about that summer, everything I'd done,
Speaker 4: We talked about the season. He talked about how proud
Speaker 4: he was of me, like I was a lifer at
Speaker 4: that point, like I was a coach klifer. He was,
Speaker 4: he was a friend from that point on. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: is awesome.
Speaker 3: And then one last thing, another one last thing, they
Speaker 3: gambling story of you almost coming to blows with one
Speaker 3: of your teammates. Yeah, I heard you said it was
Speaker 3: one of the closest times. Uh yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: ever came up fighting a teammate.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I've got I've gotten hit by teammates before,
Speaker 7: Like you've gotten punched by teammate, Yeah, he did.
Speaker 2: Turculu used to hit me.
Speaker 4: He hit me a couple of times, a couple of
Speaker 4: times when I was like a rookie, and then once
Speaker 4: again my like my third year, he just like to
Speaker 4: fuck with me.
Speaker 2: But I like when he got into.
Speaker 4: A little strap with Carlos Arroyo, me and Brian Cook
Speaker 4: got into it one time. Like I never like came
Speaker 4: to blows with a guy in practice, but like I
Speaker 4: was trying to fight find a place in the leade
Speaker 4: like in the league.
Speaker 2: So I was just scrappy in practice.
Speaker 4: And if you're a vet, like in his shoot around,
Speaker 4: I that's one of the times turkleu elbowed me in
Speaker 4: the in the eye and gave me a black eye.
Speaker 4: He's just like I was playing too hard a post
Speaker 4: defense when we were we weren't walking through plays. We
Speaker 4: were running through plays, and he just turns and he
Speaker 4: like noticed it was me and he caught me in
Speaker 4: the elbow. Got with an elbow. The Justin Anderson story basically,
Speaker 4: everybody in the NBA plays Blu Ray.
Speaker 2: Do you guys play bou Ray? In the Okay? Everybody
Speaker 2: plays Blue Ray.
Speaker 4: So there's a there's a player's cabin on we used
Speaker 4: Delta charter flights. In the player's cabin there's always a
Speaker 4: table and then there's a bunch of other seats. So
Speaker 4: the table is four card games and so playing bou Ray.
Speaker 4: And there had been some tension building between Justin Anderson
Speaker 4: and another teammate of mine. They were going back and forth.
Speaker 4: They sat next to each other, so their actions directly
Speaker 4: affected the other player's actions, right, whether or not the
Speaker 4: guy stayed in the game, whether or not a guy
Speaker 4: went for a boo or didn't go for boot like,
Speaker 4: it all affected each other. So they were kind of
Speaker 4: mouthing off, and Justin wanted a pretty big hand to
Speaker 4: not count because he felt like there was a discrepancy
Speaker 4: in how that particular hand had been played.
Speaker 2: And we had been drinking as well.
Speaker 4: There had been some wine on the flight, and so
Speaker 4: there was Amir Johnson, Me, Jared Bayliss, Justin Anderson diagonal
Speaker 4: to me, and then there wasn't a fifth seat, so
Speaker 4: Joel would sit on the arm rest in the aisle.
Speaker 2: Joel and Vieu was sit on the arm rest in
Speaker 2: the aisle, and UH.
Speaker 4: Basically got to the point where their bullshit was sabotaging
Speaker 4: the general flow and enjoyment of the car.
Speaker 2: It was ruining the night. It was ruining the night.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: So I got a little vocal and then he got
Speaker 4: vocal back with me, and then I said, you're a
Speaker 4: little bitch, And he said, what did you say? And
Speaker 4: I said, you're a little bit. I doubled down, and
Speaker 4: I'm not proud of this. Like I just said, I
Speaker 4: said you're a bitch, and he said, what did you say?
Speaker 4: I said, I said, you heard me. I said you're
Speaker 4: a bitch. And then he like stood up on the
Speaker 4: table and like, you know, almost swung on me. Joel
Speaker 4: luckily like grabbed him, and then all these flight attendants
Speaker 4: that were on the plane like came. I don't know
Speaker 4: why they broke up this stuffle, but they broke it up.
Speaker 4: Had he swung on me, like I'm sitting down, he's
Speaker 4: standing up on a table six two thirty, But I
Speaker 4: want to know, I will run by the ankles, dude,
Speaker 4: give him a task. I would have lost. Dude, those
Speaker 4: the tables are like here, like there's no leverage. I
Speaker 4: was stuck. I was stuck. I would have lost.
Speaker 2: You're a little bitch, dude.
Speaker 1: You gotta think if you're really gonna fight somebody, well
Speaker 1: he's taking the time to get up on that table.
Speaker 2: You gotta make a move. Yeah, you know if you're
Speaker 2: gonna win that fight.
Speaker 4: The flight attendants they obviously fly with all the other teams.
Speaker 4: The word got around that that had happened, so I
Speaker 4: had a bunch of text from buddies around the league
Speaker 4: that I heard you guys got into a fight, you
Speaker 4: know whatever.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, there's nothing. It was nothing like
Speaker 3: what happened after you guys.
Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. I would have to ask him.
Speaker 2: Jay's my guy. We appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Going on, man, Thanks been unreal to your flight.
Speaker 2: Hey Jack, is he doing the green screen? All right? Cool?
Speaker 2: Did I appreciate it?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: Anything else? Anybody got anything? You trying to hit that
Speaker 2: pig one on one pig? Uh No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: He's scared.
Speaker 3: Is anybody better than you at the collegiate level of
Speaker 3: all time shooter?
Speaker 2: Steph? Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Steph would have I mean, there's other guys
Speaker 4: that have surpassed like the three point thing, but Steph
Speaker 4: would have shattered it had he played one more year,
Speaker 4: he would have shattered it.
Speaker 2: I think I was. I don't know who I was
Speaker 2: having this conversation with. It was somebody the.
Speaker 7: Other day, like I think why, I think why?
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, oh it is omar omar from my
Speaker 4: house Highlights. Omar Omaraja is now his sports center. We
Speaker 4: were talking about this two days ago, and I was
Speaker 4: telling him, it's like part of the reason, like the
Speaker 4: Duke version of me is, you know, there's a legacy
Speaker 4: to that. I think a little bit, even though I
Speaker 4: didn't win a championship, and oh, there definitely is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a there's a little bit of like if you
Speaker 4: were growing up in that area you watch college basketball.
Speaker 4: But I think the reason is number one, because I
Speaker 4: played for Duke, and like people hated Duke and there's
Speaker 4: divisiveness there. The second reason, though, is like my draft
Speaker 4: class was the last draft class before the one and
Speaker 4: done era. So I feel like my time in college
Speaker 4: basketball was like the time in college basketball.
Speaker 2: That we all knew and we all grew up knowing.
Speaker 4: Now with the one and done, it's just different, Like
Speaker 4: you don't have that attachment. Yeah, you're in and out.
Speaker 4: Most people don't even pay attention to March Madness anyways.
Speaker 7: So now it's like back then, it was like you
Speaker 7: and Adam Morrison, yes, yeah, and you know, and then
Speaker 7: you and c was awesome.
Speaker 4: When I was there, they want to know five, you know,
Speaker 4: we had some great games with them, so and they
Speaker 4: were all upper class. When like all those guys left it,
Speaker 4: they were all my high school class, and they all
Speaker 4: left after their junior year. I decided to stay one
Speaker 4: more year. So I just think it was like part
Speaker 4: of part of it was like just the era we
Speaker 4: were in. It wasn't necessarily that like I did anything
Speaker 4: that was that much special relative to other great college
Speaker 4: basketball players.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're pretty good, so I was. I mean
Speaker 2: I was, you know, you were decent leventh overall pack.
Speaker 2: You're pretty solid.
Speaker 3: That was.
Speaker 2: That was good them, the Robbet