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Speaker 1: guys are wondering why I'm just like this today Tomorial Day.

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Speaker 1: So shout out to all the people out there who

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Speaker 1: gave the ultimate sacrifice to this country. Not to be

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Speaker 1: put lightly by shouting them out. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like you'd be proud where you're from. Freedom is not free.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the things you're gifted in this country, given by

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Speaker 1: the people who are making the ultimate sacrifice.

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Speaker 2: That is a huge deal this week, this episode, banger.

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Speaker 3: That's why I had a cloud going on the entire

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Speaker 3: time because I was thinking about we had fucking JJ

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Speaker 3: Reddick on the bus, who's literally everywhere right now, Yes, bro, everywhere, dude,

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Speaker 3: every way you look, you see people saying like we

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Speaker 3: need to protect them at all costs. On ESPN, like

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Speaker 3: all this, all of us. He's on first take a

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Speaker 3: lot right, first take. I don't want sure what other

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Speaker 3: segments stephen A Smith and that hairline, yeah, he said

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Speaker 3: in that airline and mad Dog like JJ's out there

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Speaker 3: fighting the good fight. He really the boys very very

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Speaker 3: intellect very intellectual. Yeah, very that's the word. That's the word, guys,

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Speaker 3: A fucking very insightful.

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Speaker 1: His vocabulary kind of pissed me off a little bit

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Speaker 1: because it made me feel less than It's my own

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Speaker 1: issue though, that is my own issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my own bag to unpacked. Pat McAfee did

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Speaker 3: the other day like, if you're gonna be done, like

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Speaker 3: you gotta be a tough guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think when JJ's talking you get a little mad,

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Speaker 3: you want to get a little tough.

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Speaker 4: Tough, all right, yeah, so look at me. I'm doing

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Speaker 4: what I'm supposed to be doing. Then you know what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, You're in the beautiful thing what you need

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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 1: And a cool thing that JJ said to us was

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Speaker 1: that like he's like not doing a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: with people right now.

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Speaker 2: Like he committed doing busting with the Boys, which is really.

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Speaker 1: Cool with him, but then after the party is like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people ask me to do stuff every

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Speaker 1: single day, and I just it's so overwhelming.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm not gonna be doing that. Because

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Speaker 2: he's been crushing it, crushing it and we get like

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Speaker 2: humble too. Oh bro, he he was fucking awesome. Bro unreal.

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Speaker 1: He legit took over the podcast. Low key guys. Spoiler alert.

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Speaker 1: We're not a huge basketball guys. We don't really know

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Speaker 1: what's what. We don't have like the knowledge.

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Speaker 3: He's got a So you know when the Boys were

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Speaker 3: in the top five for the charts now Apple Spotify,

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Speaker 3: we're living in those charts.

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Speaker 2: Living top ten your shadow.

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Speaker 3: Everyone listening to continue to download our episodes on audio,

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Speaker 3: like even if you watch on YouTube before watching on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Right now, just as we're talking, plut your phone, bring

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Speaker 3: up Apple or Spotify download this up so that ship

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Speaker 3: helps us, bro. But a podcast that listens to five

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Speaker 3: with us is The Old Man in the Three, which

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Speaker 3: is JJ Reddick's podcast.

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Speaker 2: He's got a banger podcast.

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Speaker 3: Banger but uh, yeah, man, he's a stud. You any

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Speaker 3: white kid growing up, dude, you wanted to shoot like

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Speaker 3: JJ Redick.

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Speaker 2: Let's see, Hey, I thought he was black, Taylor the

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Speaker 2: day before he.

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Speaker 3: Came on zero and anything about basketball, Bro, you had

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Speaker 3: still like I tweeted and had a gift of who

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Speaker 3: JJ Reddick was. He's like, oh I thought he was

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Speaker 3: black until you had that gift. Yeah. Uh, but if

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Speaker 3: you watch basketball of any kind, like you wanted to

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Speaker 3: be a JJ Reddick back in that the early two thousands.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, got a stud podcast, The Old Man in

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Speaker 3: the Three. He's the only est panies everywhere. Dude is

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Speaker 3: dishing out knowledge left and right about the game of

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Speaker 3: basketball because, like Taylor said, he's arguing with Steven A.

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Speaker 3: Smith and mad Dog all the time. And also what's

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Speaker 3: his name, uh Pat Pat Bev Beverly. Some good conversation

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Speaker 3: they make that the show. I've been doing homework since

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Speaker 3: the pod. Don't get twisted now, boys, I'm learning about basketball,

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Speaker 3: like no, And I'm not saying the show isn't entertaining,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like I've tuned in a couple more

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Speaker 3: times a few more times, not just because like J J. Redick,

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Speaker 3: Pat Bev and those young cats are like and they're

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Speaker 3: like arguing with the old heads and like dropping knowledge,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's arguing for the boys.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, we had an awesome teer talk about pizza.

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Speaker 1: Pizza was the tear talk, and that's where we kind

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Speaker 1: of all kind of lost it with each other. I

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Speaker 1: think that's where he kind of kind of put himself

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Speaker 1: on a pedestal because he lives in the Northeast.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what it is, too, Like that's the

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Speaker 2: word like.

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Speaker 1: You guys don't know pizza and then my tier one.

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Speaker 1: You guys both shit on, which is fine. I honestly,

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna be the number one pick of any anybody,

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Speaker 1: like for a lot of people, but for me it

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Speaker 1: was number one.

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Speaker 2: But he was.

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Speaker 4: I think he said the best thing we said was cheese,

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Speaker 4: and that low key is disrespectful.

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Speaker 3: He was super He's saying some crazy shit, dude, Like

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Speaker 3: we're trying to have Like he's just using big words.

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Speaker 2: Dude. He was just said leafs, but he used like

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Speaker 2: stage and I'll say, he's.

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Speaker 1: A small word. You know what I'm saying for little words.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, saying big ass words. Piece

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Speaker 1: of ship.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting I'm getting tough again.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he uh, it was just a you know,

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Speaker 3: we're just trying to have a good time. Like, hey,

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Speaker 3: let's like pick out candies and pizzas and ship like that.

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Speaker 3: He's like coming ask with some crazy Northeastern But those

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Speaker 3: dudes those different kind of think they're a lot better

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Speaker 3: than like the Midwest, the Southern guys.

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Speaker 2: So you know what's like kind of a stable for them.

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Speaker 4: You were in you were in New York. Was the

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Speaker 4: pizza that much better? You can be honest, this list

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Speaker 4: was really good. Okay, the pizza is really it was

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Speaker 4: that much better, you're gonna say, and he's just say

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Speaker 4: it was.

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Speaker 2: That much better. Oh it's not that much better.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, Like there's competitive pizza all over

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Speaker 3: the country.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, is there anywhere in Nashville you would

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Speaker 1: say we compete with New York.

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Speaker 2: That's good question, right. Are we given some free shoutouts?

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Speaker 2: You just I mean is there actual an actual yes?

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Speaker 2: Because if my head there might not be fucking Joey

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Speaker 3: I would say that one Joey's the House of Joey's

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Speaker 3: House of Pizza really yeah, I mean they brought it

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Speaker 3: on that one time that he tried it. He gave

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Speaker 3: it like a high eight rating. No way, yes, Bro,

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Speaker 3: day when he came to three spots, he went to

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Speaker 3: Nashville is Joey's five points and one other one, but

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Speaker 3: they all got they all got in the eighth, bro,

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Speaker 3: really with respect, and I will say five points is good.

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Speaker 3: You're mouth watering, right, Yeah, Rocking Dough is low key.

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Speaker 5: So Lyn is a brewery and everyone who's eating it.

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Speaker 2: I haven't had that. I would love to try it.

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Speaker 2: You got to try it out Smith and Midnight Oil Bro,

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Speaker 2: Midnight Oil off fifty. First.

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Speaker 4: You have about brought them. You brought it on this

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Speaker 4: pot actually ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well, Joey's brother still has a uh has a pizza

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Speaker 6: spot though it's called Manny's. It's very similar to Joey's.

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Speaker 6: There were brothers they competed in like the pizza world.

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Speaker 6: But Manny's is still open it.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that because I when I saw

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Speaker 3: Joss shutting down, I was a little bum that, like

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Speaker 3: I only had it that one time. He was only

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Speaker 3: opening afternoons from like eleven am to four pm, not

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Speaker 3: open on weekends, and only open on those afternoons in

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Speaker 2: Is this the plately operational?

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Speaker 1: Is this the place that uh Portnoy was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: coming here and then they were like, please don't come.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like they didn't want the attention because

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Speaker 3: they there's always like a long line.

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Speaker 2: It's just family. It's family opera.

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Speaker 4: I wonder why they shut down then COVID probably couldn't

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Speaker 4: have been bro they would have.

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Speaker 6: I read their ad and it said they're transitioning into

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Speaker 6: like doing more food than just pizza.

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Speaker 2: So they're opening back up. Okay, they're not shutting down.

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Speaker 1: They're getting bigger because everything you guys are saying sounds

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Speaker 1: like this would be the hotest place.

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Speaker 6: So it's not going to be pizza centric anymore. It's

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Speaker 6: I think it's just going to be traditional Italian food again.

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Speaker 6: That's just what their their Instagram post said, like their

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Speaker 1: Okay, pizza's fire, but Italian food for me is not

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Speaker 1: a really I know?

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Speaker 3: Is that crazy?

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Speaker 2: It is crazy?

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Speaker 3: Man? That wild. No, Italian Food's heavy, so it's not

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Speaker 3: always like a choice. I try and go to but

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Speaker 3: foods as you much like that?

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Speaker 5: Really?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no it's not for me, but uh anything else else?

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Speaker 3: Miss Jumping in the episode gives a finals prediction.

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Speaker 2: Oh he gave as prediction? What was it? You gotta listen, Taylor,

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Speaker 2: come on different? What am I thinking of right now?

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Speaker 2: You're good, bro, you gotta listen to the episode. Though.

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Speaker 5: We do have one thing though, because the whole rich

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Speaker 5: eyes and remember the video.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we can just shit it on lighty.

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Speaker 5: Right behind your seat, there is a device that is

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Speaker 5: a fog machine and it possesses a not a big

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Speaker 5: one but a small motor.

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Speaker 2: It's right behind your seat, will Oh, it's right there, yep,

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Speaker 2: I see it.

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Speaker 5: Try and keep it level if you grab it, because

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Speaker 5: I feel like it's like leaking. But rich Eisen said

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Speaker 5: that he changed his listen to Jack because it is

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Speaker 5: that video special you can yeah, just to prove that

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Speaker 5: it's on here. Because rich Eisen has now said that

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Speaker 5: he will come on the podcast if we just had

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Speaker 5: any motor at all. That little device possesses a very

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Speaker 5: small but still a motor.

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Speaker 2: Is that work? Does it work? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: We gotta plug it in and stuff, so we don't

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Speaker 5: have it. Didn't have to be working, he said, he

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Speaker 5: could be anything motor.

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Speaker 2: That's case we got. Isn't there a motor in this bus?

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Speaker 1: It seems like Rich in the beginning really fucking dug

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Speaker 1: I've said it once in a thousand times. Its a

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the.

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Speaker 1: Interaction between Busting and and him has been incredible.

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Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, it was painful. At first when he just

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Speaker 2: You know we were for real, I'm not gonna make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't know. Now look at us. Now you

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Speaker 3: can play with us, play back and forth with us

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, so he's been an o G

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Speaker 1: I think at this point we'll allow Rich to come

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Speaker 3: Do I do you are you sure we need a

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Speaker 3: tread that way? Maybe that keeps him from coming on.

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Speaker 3: I want just don't want him to go back when

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Speaker 3: I'm playing as you just did.

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Speaker 1: I know you're right, and if you just give me.

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Speaker 1: I in my head, Rich is watching this video right

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Speaker 2: These guys, you know, And I just want him to

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Speaker 1: I could have been that might have been the thing

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Speaker 1: G Michigan guy, dude, hero stud legend.

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Speaker 3: Is he gonna missage your Michigan one? Do you think

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Speaker 3: he should? It should be him in a full sprint,

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Speaker 3: is what it should be in a suit?

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Speaker 2: How so would that be? That'd be tool? But shall

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Speaker 1: You know, it'd be cool real quick if we did

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Speaker 1: a spring football trophy game between Michigan and the trophy

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Speaker 1: was Rich, and they would do the Bo the May,

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Speaker 1: the Boot team in the May team, and it was

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Speaker 1: just a small trophy of Rich running and whoever won

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Speaker 1: that team, their captain got to keep the Rich trophy.

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Speaker 1: That captain the captain of whichever team. I'm sure they

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Speaker 1: split up, right, Yeah, pro cool while everyone line up

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Speaker 1: against the wall. Two captains. I got that guy.

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Speaker 2: They fucking get the game going. Cool ship. That's a

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Speaker 2: funny idea.

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Speaker 3: Thanks man.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to this episode.

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Speaker 3: JJ Reddick, subscribe rate the boys do all the fun stuff.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy the episode. How'd you feel about that game of

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Speaker 3: pay that just happened there? I didn't feel great about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, coursewaty right now?

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Speaker 3: We just played it an intense game of pig, in

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Speaker 3: tense game of pig, and JJ Reddick was the first

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what I think what obsessed me is

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Speaker 4: number one the l for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But I texted Will yesterday and I said, Will, what

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Speaker 4: do I need to know? What am I walking into tomorrow?

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Speaker 4: And he laid out a show plan, some Duke stuff,

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Speaker 4: some NBA stuff. There was no mention of mini basketball pig.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And had I known that, I would have I would

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Speaker 4: have came more prepared. I would have my whole day

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Speaker 4: would have been different. I'll put it that way. So

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Speaker 4: you're blaming me a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit, Well, here's and let me have Will side for

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Speaker 2: a second game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys probably got at least I don't know

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Speaker 4: ten to fifteen warm up shots?

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Speaker 5: Why?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 1: But but usually when people play pig and someone comes

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Speaker 2: And you didn't have to come in mid game. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's because my driver took me to twelve.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to say you don't want to see

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Speaker 4: the address, but he took me to different a different

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Speaker 2: And then on the way over here we got stuck

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Speaker 1: So just shit happens, man, A lot of adversity when

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Speaker 1: But just to argue with you a little bit more,

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Speaker 1: you did whisper to me, I play this game with

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Speaker 1: my kids, exact hoop exact ball every single day.

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Speaker 2: Did you not say that?

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Speaker 7: Was it?

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Speaker 2: Is that a comment you made? Exact hoop oh ball?

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Speaker 2: You actually the ball is bigger and harder to make it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, the there's like a men's basketball, women's basketball,

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Speaker 4: youth basketball, and then there's like the mini basketballs. They're

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Speaker 4: like three times the size that the ball you guys used.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm used to.

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Speaker 3: Are you always aware when you walk into like a

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Speaker 3: this game, and when you do lose in that kind

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Speaker 3: where you're just like, damn, these boys like really think

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you guys really think you got me

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Speaker 2: Let them finish, Let them finish and finish. Nobody laugh.

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Speaker 4: No, but I'm just saying if we, if we, if

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Speaker 4: we all of a sudden like did a NERF football competition,

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Speaker 4: we probably like throwing it at a target, like I

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Speaker 4: would probably beat you, guys. I wouldn't say to myself

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Speaker 2: Okay, but it's pretty straightforward.

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Speaker 1: It'd be better, it'd be better and easier for us

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Speaker 2: We're just better shooters than you are.

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Speaker 4: Again, like at this particular dress, outside of this particular bus,

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Speaker 4: I'm that particular hoop you guys got me today, and

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Speaker 4: I again, the competitive side of me is pissed off

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Speaker 4: and I wish we could move on past this because now.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting angry.

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Speaker 3: It's going it's gonna be a.

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Speaker 2: Few minutes before.

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Speaker 3: Trust me, we do not want to see for take

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Speaker 3: JJ reddick. Really, Yeah, have you not seen the ways

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Speaker 4: Seen you lose your temper, But I don't think it's anything

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Speaker 4: we can't handle. I don't know if I've lost my

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Speaker 4: temp well, I've been animated.

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Speaker 3: You can tell because your vein will start coming out

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Speaker 2: Does the seat lean is a big giveaway? The producer

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Speaker 4: Really, because I know when you're about to get really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't even realize I'm doing it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think I've got to be better at this exact

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Speaker 2: This exact video is about Luca and Curry.

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Speaker 4: Uh. Now, this one was about Steven A calling Jimmy

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Speaker 4: Butler a permitter shooter. Yeah, and he's not a premier

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Speaker 4: He's you know, superstar.

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Speaker 2: Who als are who all are fantastic players? Well, Pat Beverly.

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Speaker 7: I'm just Beverly pressed me on the other day, you

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Speaker 4: Fifty fantastic players. The hierarchy of the NBA is really

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Speaker 4: on his own, like, that's not Draymond, but we're talking

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Speaker 4: about impact on winning, well shit, he's top fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Top twenty.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's hard to rank players. I hate doing it.

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Speaker 4: I hate you know, they make me do it.

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Speaker 2: May have you seen Raymond Green try to play football?

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Speaker 2: I haven't.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's a video fam if you can pull it up?

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Speaker 1: Pull it up, Draymond Green spring football, Michigan State.

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Speaker 4: Actually, let's go not NFL, average FBS college quarterback?

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Speaker 2: How far can they throw football on the flo yards?

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Speaker 2: I could average D one quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's assuming that what you just said means you

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Speaker 2: On the run. I mean I can just do it standstill.

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Speaker 2: You can throw a fifty or sixty yards standstill? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How long you feel somewhere to go? Because we can

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm gonna you didn't give me warm up here?

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Speaker 4: We can go out to the field after we finish.

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Speaker 4: I have nothing to do the rest of today. We'll

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Speaker 4: play Bay again, just you and me, and you can

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Speaker 4: warm up as long as you want. My ongoing joke

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Speaker 2: You think so I had a heater man, Were you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I quit in seventh grade.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing my dad made me choose. But here's

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Speaker 2: the thing I was. That is like the point where

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Speaker 2: you have here.

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Speaker 4: I was a beast then, and I hadn't hit my

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Speaker 4: growth spurt yet. I was five six, And then all

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Speaker 4: the kids that I played against that were on the

449
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Speaker 4: same level as me, they all either played you know,

450
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Speaker 4: double A, triple A baseball, D one ACC baseball.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I could have had a I could

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Speaker 2: have had a chance. I mean, are you hitting like

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Speaker 2: low seventies as a seventh grader? Yeah? Oh easy. I

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Speaker 2: mean that's that's just I feel that's just a loose seventies. Yeh.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's pretty to mid sixties. You're like,

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Speaker 3: holy shit, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: even sixty two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If you mound that.

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Speaker 3: Clothes back to the dug out and you're in like

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Speaker 3: middle school and you know, hey, this kid can throw

461
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Speaker 3: seventy two miles an hour, You're like, fuck.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I ever even heard of that. We

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Speaker 2: would like to.

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Speaker 1: Interrupt this incredible episode with JJ Redder to let you

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Speaker 4: Taylor, honest with you, Your listeners know this. This is

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Speaker 4: more of us getting to know each other. Where Where

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Speaker 4: are you from again?

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Speaker 3: From Arizona from I grew up grew up in Airsa,

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Speaker 3: born in California, grew grew up in Arizona, went to Michigan,

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Speaker 3: and I've been here, so.

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Speaker 4: I do that, okay, And then so Bontaire, Missouri. Is

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Speaker 4: that that's a real place.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I've been there. It's a real Actually, I've driven

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Speaker 1: past there with Willie people.

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Speaker 2: It's a real place. Yeah. I have bacco lead Okay, cigarettes.

516
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Speaker 2: For a long time in my life.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a conspiracy there's but for a long time

518
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Speaker 4: in my life, I was like, man, I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: Missouri and Nebraska actually exists. Like I don't know if

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Speaker 4: they are real places or if it was just like

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Speaker 4: we're going to put them on a map.

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Speaker 2: Because I didn't know anybody. You know, you, I'd never

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Speaker 2: I'm like Nebraska because they don't leave. Nebraska people don't leave.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. I'm pretty sure Missouri people don't leave either.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about where I am right now.

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Speaker 1: No, but you like you like made it out kid, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you told me all the time people from

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Speaker 1: your town like don't really leave that town.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, that's accurate.

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Speaker 1: Like Nebraska, it's a similar it's a similar conversation we've had.

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Speaker 3: I feel like most people if you're in a small town,

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Speaker 3: though not a lot of people really leave. I think

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Speaker 3: that's a great point, you know what I mean. No,

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Speaker 3: and I agree with that, like cities like you like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what. We were an hour away from

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Speaker 3: Saint Louis when I was growing up, so there really

537
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Speaker 3: wasn't no city there.

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Speaker 2: There was like nothing around us.

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Speaker 3: So you just get used to the community aspect, I

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Speaker 3: guess of a small town, like when you're growing up

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Speaker 3: and when you're younger, like in my area, and say,

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Speaker 3: you're like good at sports, you like picture yourself being

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Speaker 3: like a head coach of that high school team when

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Speaker 3: you grow up, or like a gym teacher, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I'm I always coach pe and I'm

547
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Speaker 2: gonna or I'm gonna teach pe and I'm gonna coach football.

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Speaker 2: What was a big city for you, Saint Louis. St.

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Speaker 2: Louis Louis. Yeah. Huge.

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Speaker 3: When I went to leave in Nebraska, I felt like

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Speaker 3: it was big for me and everybody else from like

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Speaker 3: Texas and Cali, and they like just shit on it.

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Speaker 4: Like like when I went to Orlando my rookie year,

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Speaker 4: I thought I thought Orlando was a city.

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Speaker 2: It's clearly not a city. It's not a real city. Well,

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Speaker 2: Orlanto's a weird place place.

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Speaker 1: Every time I go to Orlando, I'm like, I like,

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Speaker 1: everything's fake here because it's like the Disney the Disney World,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, there's a castle right there, or

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Speaker 1: like this extravagant billboard, like it's so insane. But really

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Speaker 1: it's just like fake. Nothing's real there. It seems like

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Speaker 1: to me, I've only been there like three times in

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Speaker 1: all three.

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Speaker 2: Of those years.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I wouldn't call it like all

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Speaker 4: of it fake, but it's a transient place.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people in and out, a lot

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Speaker 2: of tourists google transient for me.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's I mean, he can probably define it for you'll.

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Speaker 4: Be that'll be the easiest word to translate that I'll

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Speaker 4: use today.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, what is it? Short lived? Okay?

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Speaker 4: He always changes moves around, you know, people in and out. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: nobody's from Like who's from Orlando? Who's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Orlando and I stayed in Orlando.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing here Inshville.

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Speaker 1: The first six months I lived in Nashville in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 1: I didn't meet one person from Nashville.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in this area at all. Everyone's transplants.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, come from New York, come from Florida, come from

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Speaker 4: all over the place.

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Speaker 3: What you're you're you know, you're touching the local boys

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Speaker 3: back there.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, is that not true? Is there's so

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Speaker 2: many people from out of town. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to come out the boys. I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to say, like, it's a transient places. The

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Speaker 1: book you know, read a book boys, and it's just

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Speaker 1: a transient place.

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Speaker 2: You know, are you stick to be um busting with

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Speaker 2: the boys? I am stoked.

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Speaker 4: I mean shit, man, Like I gotta be honest with

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Speaker 4: you all. The last eight or nine months has been

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Speaker 4: kind of crazy for me because I always envisioned this

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Speaker 4: year of bliss and quiet when I retired, and I

596
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Speaker 4: was very hesitant to do ESPN and agree to do

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Speaker 4: like a short one year deal, and I was still

598
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Speaker 4: obligated to do the podcast for another year. So it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'll fuck it, I'll do I'll do ESPN. But getting

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Speaker 4: into the media space has been way busier than I expected,

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Speaker 4: and so I get asked to do podcasts probably three

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Speaker 4: or four times a week, and that's our exaggeration, like

603
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Speaker 4: literally three or four times a week. So for me,

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Speaker 4: when I got like the ask from your crew that

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Speaker 4: was like, hey, did he come down to Nashville to

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Speaker 4: do this?

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Speaker 2: I was like absolutely, absolutely, no hesitation. I'm super excited

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Speaker 2: to be here.

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Speaker 1: What about bust? One the boys is if there's three

610
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Speaker 1: or four a week coming to you saying hey, come

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Speaker 1: on our podcast? What about busting?

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Speaker 2: Was like, so was it? The bus was a will?

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Speaker 4: It was mostly will? Yeah, most usually great follow up,

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Speaker 4: a great follow on Twitter, a great phenomenal teeth. Yes,

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Speaker 4: he's hilarious. He had one of them need to body

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Speaker 4: back somebody for JJ. Somebody was coming at him. Really's

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Speaker 4: guy named.

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Speaker 3: Chip and then jj JJ gave like a good response

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Speaker 3: Tom And it was one of those things where you

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Speaker 3: kind of like read through the bullsh like, hey, JJ,

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Speaker 3: do you need do you need me to ask him

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Speaker 3: for a favor?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I was so scared to clap back at people on

625
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Speaker 4: Twitter when I was a player and then I was

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Speaker 4: off of social media for like two years.

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Speaker 2: It was it was an awesome time.

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Speaker 4: But then when we started doing the podcast again, I

629
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Speaker 4: was like I kind of gotta be on. But in retirement,

630
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Speaker 4: I have zero problem lapping back. And I used to

631
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Speaker 4: think about Kevin Durant. I'd be like, why is Kevin Durant?

632
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Speaker 4: Why is Kevin Durant like clapping back. Well, he's the

633
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Speaker 4: top five player. The guy's worth hundreds of millions of dollars,

634
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Speaker 4: Like why does he find the time. But the reality

635
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Speaker 4: is when you have the app on your phone and

636
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Speaker 4: you check on it.

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Speaker 2: It's human nature. You're gonna look at the mentions and

638
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Speaker 2: like why not. It's very satisfying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very satisfy.

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Speaker 2: And it's a super that guy in a body bag

641
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Speaker 2: the other day with the you put him to put him.

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Speaker 3: In the Yeah, So like.

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Speaker 2: How's your swaddle game right now? My swallow game?

644
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Speaker 3: Well now we're kind of, you know, we kind of

645
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Speaker 3: we're kind of cheating now because we got the Ali

646
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Speaker 3: swaddle because it's like voo that exists, Yes, that exists,

647
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Speaker 3: and it is a good it's a very good swaddow.

648
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Speaker 3: But before we got the Ali, my swadow was was

649
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Speaker 3: actually getting pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I was like in mid season four, before we got

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Speaker 2: the Ali, that's good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my wife only let me do the swaddle. She

653
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Speaker 4: couldn't do it really for both our kids. Yeah, I was,

654
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Speaker 4: and I went tight.

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Speaker 1: I went, well, that hands has poken out when when

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Speaker 1: you first start then that hands starts creeping, they start

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Speaker 1: scratching their face.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing, it's it's it's a wild thing.

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Speaker 3: The swaddle was something that took very seriously at competitive Yes,

660
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Speaker 3: like when they're kind of tugging, You're like, all right,

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Speaker 3: I'll fucking show you.

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Speaker 2: You want to you want to play games like that?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. From in there, I didn't

664
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: really fight back too much. Makes you feel kind of

665
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: bad after, but while you're.

666
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: In it, you definitely like think, oh, this baby's trying me.

667
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I absolutely get it.

668
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was telling Taylor like, uh oh, stoked

669
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: that you were coming on because every every white kid

670
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 3: in America when you're playing college basketball, they want to

671
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: be able to shoot a ball like JJ Reddick. And

672
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: I was more fired up now that you're coming on

673
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: the bus because I was telling Taylor that you're legitimately

674
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: one of the first ogs like in the in the

675
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: active athlete world that was doing a podcast like you

676
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: did yours for like five years now. You did it

677
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 3: with like Yahoo and Ringer before you had to do

678
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: your own thing. But just the fact that you're podcasting

679
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: in those five years, like when we started Busting with

680
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: the Boys, like low key to give your flowers a

681
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 3: little bit, like you helped give me like confidence and

682
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: like courage you like do Busting with the Boys kind

683
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: of like a Pat McAfee and some of those guys

684
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: who have kind of like pioneered the space. And so

685
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 3: that's like, that's actually like a that's a huge reason

686
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 3: like why I was fired up because I would look

687
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: at old Man and the three, and you're obviously in

688
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 3: the in the basketball space, so I never really like

689
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: there's some out there you look and you're like all

690
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: their kind of like competition and stuff, but you like

691
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: you were since you were in the basketball side of it.

692
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, let me see like what JJ's doing,

693
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: like how he does his stuff.

694
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 3: You retired on your own platform, like you own you

695
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 3: like own your voice, you control your narrative.

696
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: You give a platform for.

697
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 3: Athletes, and so that's like why I'm so fired up

698
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: that you're on the bus.

699
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

700
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 4: I never thought about that when I first started WOJ

701
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 4: was launching a platform called The Vertical at Yahoo, and

702
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: he asked me to write articles for him, and I

703
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: got this like weird flashback to college, being like stressed

704
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: out and then having to stay up all till six

705
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: am to write a term paper.

706
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck that, well, which I don't want

707
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: to do that.

708
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 4: And then he came back six months later it's like

709
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 4: me and Chris Mannix are doing the pod Do you

710
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: want your own pod? And I legitimately had never listened

711
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: to a podcast before. My wife had listened to Cereal

712
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 4: the season one about the love triangle and the murder

713
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 4: and stuff. Oh I never I was like, I listened

714
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 4: to it and I was like, I don't know what

715
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: to do, Like this is not what I'm going for.

716
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: And you know, when I started it, it was I

717
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 4: thought at the time it was weird. I thought at

718
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: the time, I was like, I'll just get some reps

719
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: in case I want to do media. But then I

720
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 4: realized that it like satisfied this curiosity in me, Like

721
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 4: because I go to dinners or you know, I meet

722
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: people and I'm like, I'm genuinely.

723
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: Curious about people.

724
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 4: I'm very interested in the human psyche and It's given

725
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 4: me this like amazing ability to to like interact with people.

726
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, as you mentioned, there's

727
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: nothing better as an athlete than like having your own

728
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: platform and being able to control the narrative. And I've

729
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 4: used it in some ways, probably positively and probably negative

730
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: lead to do that, but like I just I enjoy

731
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: having it. If there's anything that happens in my life,

732
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: you know, it's as a player, and even as a

733
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: retired player, I can just go on the pod and

734
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: talk about it.

735
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: When you were first starting your podcast, was there like that?

736
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: Then in security that like, oh man, it was I

737
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: put the start putting this out there while I'm playing.

738
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Am I going to be like oh yeah, Judge did

739
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: My coach is going to think this way? My team

740
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: is going to think a certain way, Like how did

741
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: you deal with that situation?

742
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

743
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: I was fortunate because the clip the Clippers At the time.

744
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: I get asked that question a lot. The truthful answer

745
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: is anyone who is around me as a professional knew

746
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: that my number one priority was basketball, even more so

747
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 4: than my family. And I hate admitting that, but that's

748
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 4: the truth. My entire day was structured around trying to

749
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 4: be great at basketball. So no one that I worked

750
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: with whatever question whether or not I was making the

751
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: podcast a bigger priority than basketball, I think for me.

752
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: And it's still this way.

753
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: I still get a little bit of performance and performance

754
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: anxiety when I when I I record a pod, because

755
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: like I just want anything I do, I want it

756
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 4: to be good. This is why I'm so mad that

757
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: I lost to you guys in many basketball. No, I'm serious, like,

758
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 4: I just want it to be good. And so it

759
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: took twenty to thirty episodes where I like, legit wouldn't

760
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 4: have to chug a beer before I started, just to

761
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 4: calm myself down.

762
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: Really I would chug.

763
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: I would chug it was I was living at LA,

764
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: so it's the North Coast Pilsner. I would chug a

765
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: North Coast Pilsner, and and just to calm myself down,

766
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: like okay, all right, you're gonna be all right. And

767
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: I used to fucking keep I mean age like fifteen

768
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: to twenty pages of notes on each person, and I

769
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: would like have every question, I have a flow chart.

770
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: I mean I overdid it.

771
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: And now it's like I record and not do my notes,

772
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: and I research and I work hard on it. But

773
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: generally speaking, now it's just like it's natural, it's flows.

774
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys have experienced the same thing. One

775
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: hundred some episodes in. It gets easier.

776
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: It's way easier because's you gonna understand, Like the more

777
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: you do episodes, like I took us about twenty episodes.

778
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: Every once in a while too, like we'll do an

779
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: episode somebody, We'll call each other in the car. But

780
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: that was like our go to in the beginning was

781
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: do an episode driving away, call each other like, hey,

782
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: what do you think? And then we go back and

783
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: forth on what we thought we both could have done better,

784
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: or like hey, if I do this, maybe you say that,

785
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: or like go off it this way, And it was

786
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: it was a difficult, trying time because you're just kind

787
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: of in this world that you know nothing about, and

788
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: then you don't know if people are really gonna enjoy it.

789
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: And then as you do it more, it kind of

790
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: just becomes like you know what your audience likes and wants,

791
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, like it's much. It's probably easier for me

792
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: and Will because we're best friends, so it's easy for

793
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: us to come up here and because what we do

794
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: in the podcast we.

795
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: Literally do outside.

796
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: So if it's just us too, it's never a difficult

797
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: thing having a guest on. It's not a difficult thing

798
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 4: for us because at the end of the day, we

799
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: can bounce back off each other, you know, and we wit.

800
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: But it took us time in reps to learn that.

801
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with Tommy, I think that was part

802
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: of the reason that I wanted Tommy as a co host,

803
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: which our last season of The Ringer. I know he

804
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: was trying to get me to do it, and I

805
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 4: was like, I could. I'll be honestly, I don't really

806
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: want to do it anymore. So we did it for

807
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: a few months together and then COVID hit Pandemic hit

808
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: World shutdown. We have both simultaneously discovered Zoom and we're like, oh,

809
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: we don't have to do these in person. We can

810
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: do them, you know, over the internet and put some

811
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 4: content out during COVID and then we you know, Bill

812
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: wouldn't let us own the podcast, so we were like,

813
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: all right, we're gonna leave. But I think having like

814
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: that was my motivation for involving Tommy and just having

815
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: somebody like as a backup bounce ideas off to.

816
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: Give me a pause during it. It's helpful.

817
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: It's helpful, by the way, even this year working for

818
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 4: ESPN and kind of having a real sense of the

819
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: landscape of sports media, like being in it and getting

820
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: to understand it a little bit better. Like we are

821
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: in the first wave of athlete driven content, the first wave,

822
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: and like you mentioned you like I was a pioneer,

823
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: like I think all of us are. I think all

824
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 4: of us in this first inning, first couple innings, are

825
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 4: pioneers in it.

826
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't.

827
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: I don't think this is like a novelty something that's

828
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: going to be a short lived thing. I think the

829
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: future of sports media is going to be athlete driven.

830
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: That's not to say that traditional journalists won't have their

831
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: place in it, but.

832
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Honestly, people are star for this.

833
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: Like we have been fed and soda for the last

834
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 4: fifteen or twenty years. And being able to peel back

835
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: the curtain a little bit and offer someone a three

836
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: course meal with a leafy green salad.

837
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: I think people eat it up.

838
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 6: Man.

839
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: I really don't. I agree.

840
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 1: I think not just that, but like the suit and

841
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: tie like got to be super proper all the time.

842
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: I think for us is we're kind of learning like

843
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: people want to feel like, oh, these guys are just

844
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: like me k type of vibe, like we might play sports,

845
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: but I mean we're sitting here.

846
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: In shorts, t shirt. Barstool does.

847
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 4: One of the best parts about hanging out Barstool one

848
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: of the best parts with You've mentioned.

849
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: Bill not letting you own the podcast during that time.

850
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 3: You said that was during the COVID during Yeah, this

851
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 3: was so.

852
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: Our contract was running up.

853
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 4: I think it ended like July thirty first or August first,

854
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 4: so it's basically two weeks into the bubble. And I

855
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: told Bill in June, I was like, hey, you know,

856
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 4: just so you know, like we are like going to

857
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: other companies and being like, do you want to help.

858
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: Us sell ads on our podcast.

859
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I want to be transparent with you

860
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: that this is happening, so please make an offer. And

861
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 4: you know, they made an offer, but they were the

862
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 4: only company that was like, you can't own it. And

863
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: this was right around the time of of the Ringer

864
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 4: sale to Spotify and so and not to.

865
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: Mention Barstool with color Daddy, like there was a lot

866
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: of IP conversation.

867
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And so that was just it wasn't even

868
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 4: it wasn't even a money issue because it honestly, honestly,

869
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: the Ringer offered us more guaranteed money than anyone else.

870
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: But it was just like I just wanted to own

871
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 4: the IP, even like simple stuff that you want to

872
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 4: do down the line with, you know, conversations or episodes.

873
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: It's like, well, if I don't have control of that,

874
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: like what good is it? You know?

875
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 4: And so it really just became bottom line, like are

876
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 4: you gonna let me own it? And he said no,

877
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: And I said, okay, no hard feelings, that's fine, We're

878
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: moving on.

879
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: No what was it called before the JJ Ready podcast?

880
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: And he wouldn't let Yeah, yeah, and and they So

881
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: we lost.

882
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 4: I mean, it's the same thing that barstool with McAfee. Yeah,

883
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 4: is Pat McAfee showing us Pat McAfee two point zero?

884
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: Correct, for sure, But you just almost think, like, man,

885
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: it's we lost.

886
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we lost kind of crazy, right, We lost

887
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: our subscriber base obviously are to be the biggest thing, right,

888
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 4: And I had done it twice already because I lost

889
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: it when I left the Ringer. Yeahoo, I love I

890
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 4: lost mine then, so I've had to restart three times basically, which.

891
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: Well, what's huge, but I think speaks so good to

892
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: your audience. It was like very like intriguing when like

893
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: learning about you when we were doing Bustle with Boys,

894
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: was that, Yeah, you guys amassed one hundred thousand subscribers

895
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: on YouTube within six weeks.

896
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 2: On our old Man. Yeah.

897
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 4: I mean that's the thing that we realized early on.

898
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: It was like an epiphany moment we had my last

899
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 4: year with the Ringer, we did Zion in person in

900
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 4: LA and it was his first long form interview. And

901
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: we did Jimmy right before literally two weeks before COVID

902
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 4: and March eleventh and the you know, the world shutdown.

903
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: Basically we put that on YouTube and those are still

904
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 4: the two most watched videos on the Ringer YouTube channel.

905
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 4: So is this epiphany moment We're like, oh, not only

906
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: is it audio, Like podcast should be audio, they should

907
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: be video, and then we should probably put stuff on

908
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: social and so like all of those things helped just

909
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 4: grow the brand and grow the audience. And you know,

910
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: I talk with people all the time that either want

911
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: to do business with a podcast at or you know,

912
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 4: our contract is up, and so you know we're we're

913
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: talking about potentially, you know, doing deals with other people.

914
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 4: But it's like, I don't care about anything else. I

915
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 4: just want to grow the audience. I just want people

916
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 4: to appreciate the content. When I have a guest on,

917
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 4: I want people to walk away and be like, hey,

918
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of that guy now. Like Pat Beverly

919
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 4: is a great example of that. Like he is a

920
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: divisive player because of whatever however you view his antics

921
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: on the court. But the greatest compliment I can get

922
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: is like I have Pat Beverly on the show, and

923
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: people like I used to hate Pat Beverley.

924
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: I like him now. That to me is like that's it.

925
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: That's the juice for me.

926
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty impressive.

927
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: And you said yeah, and I was like, oh no,

928
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: on this.

929
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, the juice for me is basically coming on YouTube

930
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: mostly and like seeing like subscriber, seeing people commenting and

931
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: like just loving what we're doing. It's it's still a

932
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: cret thought process to me that we're sitting here on

933
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: mics on cameras and you when you play a sport

934
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: your whole life and you think, oh, this is all

935
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: really ever be good at? This is my this is

936
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: my one crack at the big whatever I'm supposed to

937
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: do in this world, and then you go branch off

938
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: and do something like this, and it's like you don't

939
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: know if it's gonna work. Then all of a sudden,

940
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: like it's kind of blowing up in a way that

941
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: you're like, I can't believe people like this because it's

942
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: so natural and easy for us to do.

943
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: So it's just fun. I do love it when people

944
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: come on this this say I thought I didn't like

945
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 4: this guy, but I do like this guy. But for me,

946
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 4: it's just like it's given me. I feel safer in

947
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: my own life after doing a podcast as far as

948
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: like a session, Yeah, but it is, Uh, it's actually

949
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: thing I think about all the time. There used to

950
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: be a point in my life where I was like football,

951
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: that's like the only main income I have. Like, yeah,

952
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: I've made a lot of money in football, but like

953
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: what if this and what if that? Like, am I

954
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 4: going to ever be able to you know, I'm not

955
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 4: gonna have to go work a nine to five job

956
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 4: or something like that. And then once we started doing

957
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 4: and I started really making money, I was like, oh,

958
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna be okay no matter what, Like, no

959
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: matter what, I do in my life.

960
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine. Like this was like that step,

961
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: that little piece for me to be like, Okay, I'm

962
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: gonna be all right and thing's gonna work out.

963
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: I knew going into my last year of my contract

964
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: with the Pelicans that it was gonna be my last year, and.

965
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: The other side of that was so terrifying. It was

966
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: so scary.

967
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: And I and I had had a podcast, but I

968
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 4: again it was like it was podcasting my future.

969
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

970
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 4: And it almost feels weird to say podcasting is my future.

971
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: Just you're like is that even a thing? But I, oh, yeah,

972
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: it's the thing.

973
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but like what what you were like? Yeah,

974
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: but you first kind of started like is this really

975
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: a feel? And like the last three four years I

976
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: called come into it.

977
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 4: My parents, actually my parents called me because they were

978
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: worried about me. It was a New Year's morning. We

979
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: had played a road game in Oklahoma City. I think

980
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: the night before I got in late. I went to

981
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 4: bed at like three am, woke up at eight. I

982
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: had a miscall for my mom. So I called my

983
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: mom back and she was like, you know, we're really

984
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: worried about you. My family was in Brooklyn and I

985
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: was living on my own in New Orleans, and I

986
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 4: was like super emotional because on Christmas morning, we were

987
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 4: in Miami and my wife had sent me a video

988
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: of my now yeah, five year old running down the

989
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 4: stairs to the Christmas tree. And I basically checked out

990
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: at that moment, like I was like, I just want

991
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 4: to be home. I don't want to do this and

992
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: my mom. I told my mom, was like, I just

993
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: want to get in my car and drive from New

994
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 4: Orleans back to New York City. I just want to

995
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 4: be home. And She's like, why don't you? And I said,

996
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: because I'm fucking terrified, Mom, Like, I'm so scared of

997
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: what the rest of my life is. Like, think about

998
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 4: you guys, play U sports. I'm guessing I started at

999
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 4: seven years old. I'm thirty seven now, I retired at

1000
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 4: thirty seven. Thirty years of my life. I'm not great

1001
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: at math, but I would guarantee that's probably high eighty

1002
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: percent of my life. Eighty nine percent of my life

1003
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: has been wrapped up in sports. My identity, my ego, structure,

1004
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 4: everything is so ingrained in being a basketball player.

1005
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 2: And like letting go of that, letting go of that thing. Fuck, dude,

1006
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: it was terrifying.

1007
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 4: But I can say to your point about like feeling

1008
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 4: safe about it, like, no, I can. I can do

1009
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 4: other things, and maybe it's maybe it's this for a while,

1010
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 4: maybe it's something else, but I'm it's a weird place

1011
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: to be, you know, basically a year out of retirement

1012
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, I'm gonna be fine, my life's

1013
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 4: gonna be okay, everything's gonna be all right.

1014
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: Getting to that other side of it, because you're right,

1015
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: like it's that example. We spend, however, many years of

1016
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: our life just doing one thing, and I feel like

1017
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: like you're probably the same way. Like even when you're

1018
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: in it, you have interests, and every kind of player

1019
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: and athletes feels like they have something they're kind of

1020
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: lining themselves up for. They have a curiosity or a

1021
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: i'm gonna do this afterwards, everybody feels confident. But when

1022
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: those like for me, it was just like three years ago,

1023
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: I thought that could potentially have been my last year,

1024
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: and you're just like I was getting into real estate,

1025
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: I was journaling up the podcast what it could look like,

1026
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: but I was just terrified. I'm like, man, I'm not

1027
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: playing a whole lot this year, like this could be it,

1028
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: Like I truly have to. I've always been the guy

1029
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: that felt comfortable and be like, oh, I'll figure something out,

1030
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 3: like I already have a few things going blah blah blah,

1031
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: but man, I really have to figure out like what

1032
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: I enjoy because this could be coming faster than what

1033
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: I realize. And and for me with the podcast stuff,

1034
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: like it's it's like like you were saying it like

1035
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 3: scratches that curiosity that itach that you have.

1036
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: Like I love like talking to people.

1037
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: I feel like if I get to learn something about somebody,

1038
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: like we've had on like Darren Waller, Max, We've had

1039
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: on a lot of incredible people, but a couple of

1040
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: those stories saying now where Max is talking about his sobriety,

1041
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 3: Darren Waller's talking about his sobriety and just going in

1042
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 3: depth and like like giving athletes kind of a platform

1043
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 3: to talk about stuff, and like you said, like I'll

1044
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 3: you'll have people call and be like, yo, I didn't

1045
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: fuck with that guy, but that's really cool, or it's

1046
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 3: just like yo, I like this person, but man I

1047
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: did not know he fucking went through that. And it's

1048
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: like really cool that you guys are able to like

1049
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: peel back layers because they feel comfortable sitting in front

1050
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: of you. Because we're all athletes, right, Because a lot

1051
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: of stuff that you'll give a microphone or the reporters

1052
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: or something you're either in the locker room when you're

1053
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 3: you're your backup or somebody that you're competing with sitting

1054
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: next to you, Like guys are around there, you're not walls.

1055
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's up.

1056
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 3: You're not gonna you're not gonna actually give reporters and

1057
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: talk about stuff, not because you won't give it to

1058
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 3: the reporter. One you won't give it to the reporter,

1059
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: but also like the environment you're in, you're just not

1060
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: your guards up, like you said, egos are going and

1061
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 3: like when you're on something like this, I just feel

1062
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: like everybody feels more comfortable when they're talking with like

1063
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: athletes or there's more of like an unfiltered approach, like

1064
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 3: being for the boys. We tell everybody if there's something

1065
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: that you don't like, let us know. We'll take it off.

1066
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: Like we've talked about jerk off stories that somebody's wanted

1067
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: theirs off.

1068
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: We kept ours on, but somewhere.

1069
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 6: It's like, yo, just be yourself.

1070
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, like you know, just let it fly

1071
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: and be yourself. And if you're yeah, yeah, you're driving

1072
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: very much. You want to take a coup, we'll take

1073
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: it off.

1074
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: People ask me all the time what this podcast is about.

1075
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: I literally go, I think it's just like a bunch

1076
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: of guys in the locker room talking. Yeah, it's like

1077
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: the conversations you would have. But another thing to what

1078
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: you were saying is, like we talk about all the time,

1079
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: like how you have like these blinders on how you're

1080
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: so zoomed into the world that you live in, and

1081
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: like not only let's say besides the podcast, like football,

1082
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Like I go and play football, and then I spend

1083
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: time in the off season watching free agency, and then

1084
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: I spend time watching the combine. Then I watched the

1085
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: draft and see you the guys I'm gonna go again

1086
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: soon what they're gonna be like, and then the like

1087
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: shortly after that, the schedule comes out and then you're

1088
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: in OTAs and then you have that six weeks break

1089
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: where you're just so focused and in like your fight

1090
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: camp going into camp.

1091
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: It's a year round thing.

1092
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: And what this has allowed us to do or especially

1093
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: myself because I get super caught up in like thinking

1094
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: like everyone is so focused and dialed in on Tennessee

1095
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: Titan football when really, if I just like zoom out

1096
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: for a second, it's like there's a there's a bunch

1097
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: of people that are but for the most part, like,

1098
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: ain't nobody gives a shit what I'm doing.

1099
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1100
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: It's like I'll be in camp and it'll be the

1101
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: middle of August and it's I'm right in the middle.

1102
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: The start is too far to see and the and

1103
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: the end's not close enough, and you're just kind of

1104
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: like fucking in it. And you have a day off

1105
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: and you go drive home and you say, you know what,

1106
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go cruise down Broadway.

1107
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: Real quick and see what's going on.

1108
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: And you go down Broadway and you see every type

1109
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: of person walking up and down, drinking, having a good

1110
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: time going. They don't give two shits at the Tennessee

1111
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: Times had practice today, or we were watching film, or

1112
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: who we're gonna play. And it allows you to be like, oh,

1113
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be It's gonna be all right. It's

1114
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: kind of comes down to is like, oh, this isn't

1115
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: as overwhelming consuming to everybody as you think it is.

1116
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 4: I experienced that at Duke because I felt like I

1117
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: feel like I was like they all wanted it there.

1118
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: Like I was in a fishball at Duke, and.

1119
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 4: When I got on the other side of it, I

1120
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 4: was like, oh, you know, like Duke basketball, like it's

1121
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 4: well known, but it's not actually like that important. But

1122
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: at the time, it felt like every single thing I

1123
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: did was live or die. It felt very intense to me.

1124
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: I did to asker you guys a question because I

1125
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 4: was my best friend. He works in television in LA

1126
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 4: and I had lunch with him yesterday and I was

1127
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 4: talking about the other side of sports, you know, being

1128
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 4: retired and whatever, and he's like, you know, you used

1129
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: to used to say this shit all the time when

1130
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: when you were a player, Like used to say you

1131
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 4: wanted to quit, used to say you wanted to retire.

1132
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm curious if you guys, in your career,

1133
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 4: even if it was a great season, that moment you're

1134
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 4: talking about when you're driving down Broadway and you're like,

1135
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 4: people are just having a.

1136
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: Normal good time.

1137
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 4: Like there's so many things that I felt like I

1138
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: miss missed out on, like Christmas being an example. I

1139
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 4: think I think I played on Christmas Day twelve times

1140
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 4: in fifteen years, and I carried I carried like a

1141
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: little bit of resentment about that, Like I don't know

1142
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 4: what it was. And there were moments where I was like,

1143
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 4: you know, I could do something, why don't I do

1144
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 4: something else? Like I started thinking about that. Actually it

1145
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: was right after I had my first kid, because I

1146
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 4: could change my perspective about my time basically, And I

1147
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: don't know, it's like I was. I was definitely still

1148
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: into it. I was definitely still committed, even more so

1149
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 4: at the end of my career. I was a fucking psycho,

1150
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 4: But like I still carried like a little bit of

1151
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 4: resentment about all the things that went into it that

1152
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 4: prevented me from doing other things.

1153
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: Did you guys, Do you guys feel that at all?

1154
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: If I feel like me feeling it was probably if anything,

1155
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 3: in the last couple of years, like when I know,

1156
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like I have a foot out the door,

1157
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: like I kind of know what I want to lean

1158
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: into and do when I'm done now with bustling with

1159
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: the boys and everything else, and so you think about

1160
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: it a lot more like when I'm in the season,

1161
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: but I would say, like the first large the first

1162
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: like seven years, I more so think like I can't

1163
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: wait to do this when football's over with, like because

1164
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: it would be the same.

1165
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: Thing like with Thanksgiving.

1166
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: You don't get to do any of the holidays like

1167
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: during the season, like Thanksgiving, Halloween, Christmas, all these things.

1168
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 3: New Years, it'd be more so like I can't wait

1169
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 3: to do this, like when I get done.

1170
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: Playing complaining not complaining. No, But it's because it's a

1171
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 4: great life and I'm I was. I never felt any

1172
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: sense of like ingratitude. I was always grateful. I was

1173
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 4: always you know, I would still like even my fifty

1174
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 4: and you're super frustrated, Like dude, I have fucking thirty

1175
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 4: six and I'm in the NBA, Like how fucking cool

1176
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: is this?

1177
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I loved it

1178
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 2: every day, but still there were there were moments. There

1179
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: were moments.

1180
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: Everyone goes through the grasses greener And the thing is,

1181
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: there's so many different lives you can live on this world,

1182
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: and so everyone always daydreams and think about what if.

1183
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: I always I remember being in college and like having

1184
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: to get my weight up because I came into college

1185
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: super underweight. I remember thinking to myself, like, man, when

1186
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm done playing football, I'm gonna be so like jacked

1187
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: and skinny, and like I still to this day, I'm like, man,

1188
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: I cannot I can't wait to fucking lose sixty pounds,

1189
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, And I can't wait to do this and this,

1190
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and there was I mean, we talked about it. We

1191
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, Like during the season last year,

1192
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: the season I was having I had him over the house,

1193
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna retire. I'm done, like and you

1194
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: kind of but that's when you're like so in it,

1195
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: and then you start to realize, like, hey, you're in

1196
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: the NFL.

1197
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: How cool is this? Regardless, like it's just hope.

1198
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: You're living.

1199
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: Every kid's dream has to be a professional athlete at

1200
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: it's some position.

1201
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: We did it.

1202
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 3: We made gratulations, we fucking made congratulations.

1203
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: We made it, and it's just cool. It's a cool vibe.

1204
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, there are there's always something you want to

1205
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: do other than what you're doing at that moment.

1206
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: YEA, yeah, I think I've retired with the last three years.

1207
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, every year, this is it, this is known will

1208
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 4: every single year he's been like this is the last one?

1209
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: Is the last one? And now we're talking about your ten.

1210
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: You know, it's just crazy. Do you think, like I'm.

1211
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: Curious too, do you think there's a difference in basketball

1212
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 3: and football like doing the media stuff and having personalities?

1213
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: But I think because I think it's like it's wild

1214
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: that Draymond has a podcast. I think it's awesome, but

1215
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, like he's got some stones. When you

1216
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: go do a podcast like right after a game and

1217
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 3: talking about the game, like, do you feel like there's

1218
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: a difference there because you obviously did the pot for

1219
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: like five years, Like what's the sense? Like, what's the

1220
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: sense like when you're around all the guys, Because when

1221
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 3: I went to Vegas last year, like everybody kind of

1222
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: knew about the podcast.

1223
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: I know everybody liked this, so it was all good.

1224
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: But when I was in the building and seeing guys

1225
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: work and appreciating kind of like, damn, like these dudes

1226
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: like fucking they love like I love, But I'm like

1227
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: they love ball way more than the spot that I'm

1228
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: at in my career right now, to where you almost

1229
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: you almost feel bad bringing up any of the stuff

1230
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: because you don't want to seem like you're like not

1231
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 3: in it as much as they are.

1232
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I go back to that point. I don't.

1233
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 4: I go back to like any teammate I've ever been around,

1234
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: like saw the dedication of work I put in, So

1235
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: I never sort of worried about that. On the basketball

1236
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 4: football side, I mean, that's probably part of a larger

1237
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 4: conversation just about the empowerment that NBA players have right now,

1238
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 4: the player empowerment era that we're in the middle of

1239
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: right now, relative to the NFL. And I don't think

1240
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 4: the NFL has gotten to the level that the NBA has.

1241
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: And probably some of that is are guaranteed contracts.

1242
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah they are.

1243
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 3: They run the league more.

1244
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: You know, again, it's you get the right guys. You

1245
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: can not predict, Like it's a lot more competive now,

1246
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: but it's a lot easier to.

1247
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 3: Predict what Lebron and these boys on this team, like

1248
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 3: these teams are going to see each other in the final.

1249
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 4: There's also just inherently because of the way your cap works,

1250
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 4: there's there's like more parody in the NFL and because

1251
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 4: it's a two way sport like.

1252
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: In the NBA.

1253
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 4: It's like if you're one of the five best players

1254
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 4: or ten best players, like.

1255
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 2: You fucking run it. You run it.

1256
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 4: Some guys don't take advantage of that. Some guys do,

1257
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 4: But there's just more. I just believe inherently there's more power.

1258
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: If you are Lebron James, or you're a Kawhi Leonard

1259
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 4: or Kevin Durant, there's you just carry more than even

1260
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: a great All Pro NFL player does. It's just the

1261
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 4: way the sport works.

1262
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: Plus, guys probably when you say run it, you mean

1263
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: like they run practice and meetings and they say, we're

1264
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: fucking this is what we're doing.

1265
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: There's input on everything. You have input on everything. I

1266
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys like Aaron.

1267
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: Rodgers are like Peyton Manning. There's very few guys kind.

1268
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 4: Of but I think every team in the all thirty

1269
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 4: teams probably you could probably name five guys in the NFL.

1270
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: Ten guys.

1271
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: Maybe you'd name the best wide receiver the NFL, and yeah,

1272
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 4: but that he's not he's not having input on like

1273
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 4: who they should draft, right, they should trade? Yes, where

1274
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 4: in the in the NBA, the top two guys on

1275
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 4: pretty much every team. I mean I had that with

1276
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 4: the Clippers, and I was like the fourth or fifth guy,

1277
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 4: you know, I had. I would talk to Doc, I

1278
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: would talk to L Frank, I would talk to Steve

1279
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 4: Balmer like I had that, you know, I had that

1280
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 4: with Philly when I went there, Like I wasn't even

1281
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 4: one of the best players, And I just I just

1282
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 4: think that because of I don't know if it's less

1283
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: guys or just like you know, we're on the court

1284
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: the whole time. You know, in the NFL you're playing

1285
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 4: offense or you're playing defense. And to a degree too,

1286
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 4: it's like the NBA, a great player can impact the

1287
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: game more than a great NFL player because I don't

1288
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 4: want to no IgE make broad gener rallies, but in general,

1289
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 4: like in the NFL, like on a play, you have

1290
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 4: a specific task.

1291
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: In the NBA, it's it's.

1292
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 4: A little more organic where a player's talent can sort

1293
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: of shine in a bunch of different Right, does.

1294
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: That make that that you guys?

1295
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: The mannings thereon Rodgers, the Tom Brady's like, if you play,

1296
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: if you play good offense, like running the ball, and

1297
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: you can keep them off the field, like you can

1298
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: keep those guys off the field, like those quarterbacks need

1299
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: the defense, and the special teams in literally everybody just

1300
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: as much as they feel.

1301
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: Like they can affect basketball.

1302
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: It seems like, well it seems like not knowing basketball,

1303
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: but like it seems like you have two or three

1304
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: dudes you can take over and do whatever the fuck

1305
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: you want.

1306
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: Almost yeah, you know what I'm saying. Pretty much like

1307
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: when Lebron.

1308
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 4: As long as those dudes were like good in twenty

1309
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 4: twenty two and not the last time they were good

1310
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 4: was like twenty sixteen, Like the Lakers this year, right,

1311
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 4: they built a team around guys that were good six

1312
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 4: years as?

1313
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: Uh?

1314
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 2: Is that? Why?

1315
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 5: Then?

1316
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: Is that why Lebron? That man? Though? Yeah, yeah he

1317
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: still is.

1318
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: I mean where would you rank him in the top

1319
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 3: ten today?

1320
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean he's in the top ten.

1321
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: I don't know the top five though, it's hard to

1322
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: judge based on this year, just because of how bad

1323
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 4: that team was and how bad badly that roster was constructed.

1324
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: You know, I probably to a degree the Brooklyn that's

1325
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 4: not as bad of a roster but also equally bad

1326
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 4: because it's the NBA has changed, and it's very recent,

1327
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 4: but the NBA has changed, Like I really believe you

1328
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 4: need homegrown talent.

1329
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: Like you have the draft.

1330
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's the inefficiency in the marketplace. You have

1331
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 4: to draft well, you have to have homegrown talent. You

1332
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 4: can't buy championships anymore because you need all the ancillary pieces.

1333
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 4: You can go get two or three great players that

1334
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 4: are super max or max players. You need really good

1335
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: players three through seven, three through eight. And if you're

1336
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 4: going to have two or three Max guys, those guys

1337
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: have to be on rookie contracts or you have to

1338
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 4: be really good with finding bargain players in free agency.

1339
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: But if you okay, so if you're the La Rams.

1340
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: They went and they didn't do anything in the draft,

1341
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: and there's fifty three guys on a roster in the NFL,

1342
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: how come you can't do that in the NBA anymore?

1343
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: Like it seems like it'd be way easier to go

1344
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: pay seven or eight guys and then and then have

1345
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: them be a super team.

1346
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: Are you saying, do you see? You see that can't

1347
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: happen anymore?

1348
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: Once when the Rams just did that with way more guys,

1349
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying to say?

1350
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see what I'm saying.

1351
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 4: I'm not again, I haven't put my GM hat on

1352
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 4: to be an NFL GM. Yeah, I have put it

1353
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 4: on to be an NBA GM, right, And it's just

1354
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 4: the general way our our cap works. So there's a

1355
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 4: there's a cap, and then there's a luxury tax, and

1356
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 4: there's a there's a hard cap, an apron, there's a

1357
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 4: you know, the difference between the luxury tax and the

1358
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 4: hard cap is like an apron. So once you get

1359
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 4: into like two max players, then it's like, all right,

1360
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 4: we have thirteen roster spots we need to fill out with. Essentially,

1361
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 4: the supermaxes are so high now, essentially like forty million dollars,

1362
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 4: so on average, you're going to pay guys three million

1363
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 4: dollars a year, which is what the Lakers did this year.

1364
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 4: They signed you know, Avery Bradley, Trevor Reza uh DeAndre Jordan,

1365
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 4: like all these guys on minimum contracts. Well, if you're

1366
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: a free agent and you're trying to get paid and

1367
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 4: another team has let's say the mid level, which is

1368
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 4: ten million dollars a year, you're probably gonna go take

1369
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: that versus two point five, you know what I mean.

1370
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 4: So it's just the nature of the salary cap. So

1371
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: unless you have those guys that you drafted and they're

1372
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 4: still on their rookie contract, and you're able to pay

1373
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 4: those players once they become free agents because you have

1374
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 4: their bird rights.

1375
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: But that's the challenge, the bird rights, bird rights? What's

1376
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: the bird rights? Bird rights?

1377
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 4: Basically, if you're drafted by a team and then you're

1378
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 4: you're a free agent, and that team is over the the.

1379
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: What the salary the what's the star cap? Yeah, salar cap.

1380
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 4: If you're over the Sellard cap, you can resign them.

1381
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 4: Came in with Larry Bird. So like if when I

1382
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 4: signed with Philly on the one year deal, they didn't

1383
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 4: have my bird rights the following summer, so when Lebron

1384
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 4: didn't sign there, they signed me on another one year deal.

1385
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 4: Had I re signed there, they could have gone over

1386
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 4: the luxury tax because after two years you have early

1387
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 4: bird rights, after three you have full bird rights.

1388
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: And this is all because of Larry Bird. It's all

1389
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: because of Larry Bird. Do you care to explain that

1390
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: situation to me at all?

1391
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 4: I again, I not a complete basketball historian, but my

1392
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 4: general knowledge of the situation is that the salary cap

1393
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 4: came into place sometime in the nineteen eighties and Larry

1394
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 4: Bird's rookie contract was over and the Celtics wanted to

1395
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 4: resign him, but they couldn't go over the salary cap

1396
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: to resign him. So there was a rule put in

1397
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 4: place in the collective Barging Agreement that you could resign

1398
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 4: your own free agents to go over the salary cap

1399
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 4: as long as you had bird rights.

1400
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, that was a good explanation. That's a

1401
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: great explanation.

1402
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 3: The Well, not a historian, but here's exactly what you

1403
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 3: need to know in for the for the Rams question,

1404
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 3: I feel like they've been kind of cooking that team

1405
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 3: up for a couple of years.

1406
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1407
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: I mean like each year they've kind of added a

1408
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: different place. And mind you, they drafted Aaron Donald. They

1409
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: drafted they've had it. They had Aaron Donald. He realized like, okay,

1410
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: they missed, they're missing a qbpiece. They were able to

1411
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 3: trade Mats Stafford, and they probably feel Stafford. They got

1412
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: Obj and they were close enough if they just needed

1413
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: if they got like the OBJ and the vond Mill

1414
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 3: and they probably sat there they're like, hey, fuck these

1415
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,959
Speaker 3: draft picks, Like, let's try to win the Super Bowl

1416
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: this year.

1417
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: I was mund it fascinating with the NFL, Like how

1418
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: you guys can sign a contract and like two years later,

1419
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 4: like a new contract happens. We're like we, you know,

1420
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 4: we sign a contract, like, we can't renegotiate our contract

1421
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 4: if we're gonna make Let's say a guy's gonna make

1422
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 4: twenty million dollars and a team wants to go sign

1423
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 4: another player. They're not gonna go to that player and

1424
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 4: be like, hey, will you take ten next year? You know,

1425
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 4: it's like yeah, no, it's just like guaranteed, like that's

1426
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 4: what you get.

1427
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's a real issue on Harry.

1428
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 4: Beard is like it's like this guy's cat, he's gonna

1429
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 4: make thirty seven million dollars, but his cap hits thirteen

1430
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 4: and it all.

1431
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: It really depends on that ship. To me, it depends

1432
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: on teams and how much like money they have. Yeah,

1433
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: Like if you're if your owner has lots of money,

1434
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: really the cat doesn't really matter, right because we'll be

1435
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: making ten million dollars and his cap it's going to

1436
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: be seven. Yeah, and we're gonna say, all right, hey,

1437
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: well we're gonna give you nine million dollars in a

1438
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: signing bonus right now, So now your capit's one and

1439
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: you're making minimum this year.

1440
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: It's just a crazy concept. Yeah, it really doesn't matter,

1441
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 3: and we have a lot of tenders.

1442
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 2: We have a lot of Like the tenders are wild.

1443
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: The fifth year.

1444
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: There's a fifth year option where if you're a first

1445
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: round you're a first round draft pick, it's a four

1446
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: year contract with an option for the team to pick

1447
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: up a fifth year option. Mind you, you can get franchise

1448
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: tag twice too, because you can literally play seven years

1449
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: on one deal.

1450
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: Basically.

1451
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're out playing your contract, your rookie,

1452
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: we're about to get paid, they can put a fifth.

1453
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: Year option on you.

1454
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: And the fifth year option is like you make an

1455
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: average of what the top ten guys are making or

1456
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: something like that, which is usually top three or four

1457
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: guys make a lot of money and there's a big

1458
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: there's a big difference in the bottom, so you kind

1459
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: of average out position at your position, and then you

1460
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: can get actually get another I think you can put

1461
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: another option on the guy.

1462
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: Again. No, that's a fresh eye stack. That's fresh eye stack.

1463
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 3: It's the average of the top three, right, Yeah, they

1464
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 3: have the top three players. But yeah, you can just

1465
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 3: crazy on these one year one year deals, and they

1466
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 3: have your rights for like Taylor said, like up to

1467
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: seven years if they actually wanted to. But rookies nowadays,

1468
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 3: like if you start out performing your deal, like going

1469
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: into that fifth year, if like they try a fifth

1470
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 3: year option, you guys are getting a lot. You know,

1471
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 3: guys are like holding out or saying that they won't

1472
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 3: play something like that.

1473
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: Guys will hold out.

1474
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: And usually what teams do is they'll pick up your

1475
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: fifth year option and then they'll negotiate as you're.

1476
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: Going to your fourth year or your fifth year.

1477
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't really it doesn't really matter anymore, but it

1478
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: just gives them more time. Just in case, I signed

1479
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: my second contract going into my fourth year, but they

1480
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: already picked up my fifth year option.

1481
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: They have to pick it up by what your third year,

1482
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: like by like mayor may or third year. It's a

1483
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: it's a wild deal. It's a wild deal.

1484
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: The it's it's crazy when you when you're an NFL

1485
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: player and you guys are we're all sitting here talking

1486
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 3: about money and stuff like that, and then we look

1487
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: at the NBA.

1488
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, it's fucking wild. How these guys

1489
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: kind of just run the show.

1490
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: It really is just like, we're like, mother fuck like

1491
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 3: these you are just making Like I think Derek Carr

1492
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: literally I didn't even play that much, right right right?

1493
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: Ten million dollars dude.

1494
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 4: Derek Carr signed his contract, not this most recent one,

1495
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 4: but the one before that, and somebody tweeted him it

1496
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 4: was like one hundred and twenty million dollar country or

1497
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 4: something like that, and he's like, hey, congratulations, you make

1498
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 4: as much as a sixth man in the NBA.

1499
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: Now that's not true.

1500
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: Well that someone says like that, and I was like,

1501
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: that's just fucking wild.

1502
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 2: That's but the money is like, have you been announce

1503
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: starty and made a nice little.

1504
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 4: My two year deal with the Pelicans was nice. Yeah,

1505
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 4: I mean I made like thirteen and a half or

1506
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 4: something a year and you were in the top five.

1507
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 4: And I wasn't a sorry, yeah, that's crazy.

1508
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: It's good for you.

1509
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 3: I'm thinking that's crazy, Like I didn't play either, give

1510
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 3: me that, that's crazy. If you're not a starter and

1511
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 3: a half million dollars different, it's different.

1512
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how different. How is it?

1513
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 4: What do you I play twenty eight minutes a game

1514
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 4: and scored over fifteen points, was second the league in

1515
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 4: three point percentage.

1516
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: Go off game.

1517
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, listen, a guy, a guy in the

1518
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 4: NFL who's not a starter might play ten snaps a

1519
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 4: game like there's a that's my point.

1520
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: There's a difference. So you're still getting kick me. I'm

1521
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: right here on the bust.

1522
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 3: Look at me.

1523
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: You might not play stuff in the NFL. He's just like,

1524
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: just look at me, man. I didn't say it ten mil.

1525
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. You're you're paid.

1526
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: You're paid in the NBA based on production, and so

1527
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 4: you don't have to be a starter to produce.

1528
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 7: That's where the difference is. You know, that's true. And

1529
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 7: you guys have like way like less guys.

1530
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: We have less guys. Yeah, and again it goes back.

1531
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 4: If you're generally speaking, you have like a max guy

1532
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 4: or a couple of max guys. You have a couple

1533
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 4: guys that get salary cap, which is what every time

1534
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 4: I was a free agent, I signed with cap space.

1535
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 4: I signed with to a team with cap space. Then

1536
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 4: you have like the exceptions, the mid level exception, and

1537
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 4: if you're over the tax you have the tax payer

1538
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 4: mid level exception, which is about half of the mid

1539
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 4: level exception. And then everything else is like minimum, So

1540
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 4: it's it just depends on your service. So like if

1541
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 4: you're a ten year guy, minimum is two point seven

1542
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 4: something like that.

1543
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,959
Speaker 3: A nice man, that's a nice little baggy. I was like,

1544
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 3: as a tenure guy, I think it's one.

1545
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 4: One front player is minimum. So now you're on our son.

1546
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 4: You see him change the tune a little bit.

1547
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's minimum after you've played like eight or nine, yeah,

1548
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: ten years.

1549
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: Mind, this pastor is based on like nine eighty maybe

1550
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. How many guys?

1551
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 4: How many guys minimum? Guys though that are like bawling

1552
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 4: that are starting and producing, And I'm not saying they're

1553
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 4: like necessarily all pro players, but they're they're good.

1554
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: They're really good. Well I'm grade out well in analytics,

1555
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 2: I see.

1556
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: I think analytics is a it's not not the move

1557
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: but this.

1558
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you have a bad taste about like

1559
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: analytics and the people.

1560
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes a whole It doesn't make

1561
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense. Stats like you can do

1562
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: it for quarterbacks, maybe wide receivers.

1563
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: You can do it to an extent, I feel like,

1564
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: but it doesn't tart the.

1565
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: Entire story when people say numbers agree with you, People

1566
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,479
Speaker 1: say numbers of the entire story.

1567
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: I disagree with that whole whole heart. And I love analytics.

1568
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 4: There's the most beautiful uh synergy that I've you know,

1569
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 4: can witness. And synergy, by the way, is a name

1570
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 4: of advanced stats company. The most beautiful synergy that I

1571
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 4: can see. Like, when I analyze this stuff is my

1572
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 4: eye is telling me so. And I'll hit up a

1573
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 4: couple people I use for advanced stats. It's some of

1574
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 4: the stuff I check myself. But I'm not great on

1575
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 4: second spectrum. I don't really know how to operate it.

1576
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 4: So I'll be like, hey, it feels like this team

1577
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 4: is running way more ISOs this series and they don't

1578
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 4: run a lot of ISOs in the regular season.

1579
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: Can you look that up?

1580
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 4: And then it'll be like, oh, yeah, they're running forty

1581
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 4: percent more ISOs during this series than they do in

1582
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 4: the regular season. I'm like, oh, it matches up. Sometimes

1583
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 4: the eye test and the analytics they match up. Sometimes

1584
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 4: the analytics tell us stuff we can't see with our eyes,

1585
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 4: and sometimes the analytics lie to us with what we

1586
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 4: see with our eyes. Yeah, Like Devin books are an

1587
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 4: example of this. He is I think third on he

1588
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 4: was like third on the Suns this year and win

1589
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 4: shares right, he's going to be first team All NBA.

1590
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 4: He was top five in MVP voting, like he was

1591
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 4: their best player this year, but because of how analytics

1592
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 4: grade players out, he didn't fare particularly well. Like you're

1593
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 4: always going to in the NBA. You're always going to

1594
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 4: need volume shot creators, and he's great at that and

1595
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 4: he does it at a fair efficient level. And my

1596
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 4: eye can tell me that, but the analytics they lied

1597
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 4: to me. They lied to me.

1598
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: They don't tell me he's as great as he is.

1599
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 2: Very well spoken man, he is. Jevin Booker, you are

1600
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: sure for sure? No, Yeah, I don't know. Definit Bucker

1601
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: answer your question about the minimum things.

1602
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 3: I feel like it probably happens more for like defensive

1603
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 3: guys than offensive, yeah, because if you're if you're if

1604
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 3: you're like on offense, I feel like when you're like

1605
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 3: when you're having a year like it's it's it's easier

1606
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: to see, Yeah, Like defense could be harder because there's

1607
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 3: a lot of variables that you sometimes need to go

1608
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 3: to your way, like as far as opportunity and everything else.

1609
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 3: So if you might see a minimum guy bawling on

1610
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 3: a minimum contract. I feel like it's probably like a

1611
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 3: vet that's on like a one year deal, probably defensively.

1612
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: So here's another question I asker you.

1613
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 4: I'm glad I have you guys on my podcast right now,

1614
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 4: but I have another question for you.

1615
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm curious about this seriously.

1616
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 4: I think about the NBA and like a guy who's

1617
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 4: a free agent who needs to put up numbers, Like

1618
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 4: in the NBA, it's a lot out of it is

1619
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 4: like your points, your rebounds, your assists, field goal percent,

1620
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 4: all of this stuff, Like you need to put up numbers.

1621
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 4: And so there's a way for a guy to basically

1622
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 4: have goods counting stats, earn a nice contract, but have

1623
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 4: literally no impact on winning, either because he's playing on

1624
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 4: a bad team or because of his role. And he

1625
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 4: just you know, he's able to just shoot the ball

1626
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 4: whenever he wants. And I wonder if the NFL, if

1627
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 4: you're able to do that, Like if a guy's a

1628
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 4: free agent, like can you hide behind statistics or is

1629
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 4: in the NFL are you just exposed at all time

1630
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 4: if what you do doesn't impact winning.

1631
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: I think to another one that goes for defense, because

1632
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: you can hide behind statistics in a lot of way.

1633
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: Ways.

1634
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: If because a guy, let's say a defensive end, he

1635
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: can have a lot of sacks, you can look at

1636
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 1: him and be like, oh that you have twelve sacks,

1637
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: your holy shit, And then you go watch his film

1638
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: and he he might not be beating guys one on one.

1639
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: The quarterback might be holding the ball really long, or

1640
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: he gets flushed out of the pocket the wrong way.

1641
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: It's an efforts sack a lot of way, a lot

1642
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: of ways, which is one of the arguments I would

1643
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: have had with what's his name who loves digit t J.

1644
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: Watt Jersey Jerry's t J. Wat's an unblievable defensive end.

1645
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: He deserves everything he's getting, but a lot of his

1646
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: sacks or effort sacks as well, Like he beats you,

1647
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, He fucking murders cats out.

1648
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: Are their statistics for that, like how many times you

1649
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 2: beat you? Sure there are? Yeah?

1650
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's where PFF comes in to play Pro Football Focus.

1651
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: The thing Will was kind of alluding to with me

1652
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: was with PFF, they gray everybody every single day, and

1653
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: they they have like these numbers come out and it's

1654
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: a very difficult thing to do for my position, because

1655
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: you don't there's a thousand different ways to run one play,

1656
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: and based on how we run ours, it's different than

1657
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: Washington does, or San Francisco does, or you know, and

1658
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: so when you go to grade it, you can't grade

1659
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: us all the same, and so you need to have somebody,

1660
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: let's literally in the building to know what to do.

1661
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: And that's where I kind of get off like a

1662
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: little upset with.

1663
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 4: Numbers, right, because there's times there's one thing I won't

1664
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 4: go back to this, the task part of it. You

1665
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 4: could do your task, but someone through their bias of

1666
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 4: how they think the task should be run right, grades

1667
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 4: you a different way. Internally, the Titans could be like, oh,

1668
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 4: you did that perfectly right.

1669
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: And there there was a point in twenty sixteen where

1670
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: I was the grade of the number one tackle for

1671
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: the first nine weeks of the season, and I said

1672
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: the same thing then too. It's just like they don't

1673
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: really know what they're talking about when it comes to

1674
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: the offense line. And now with quarterbacks, I think running

1675
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: backs would be another difficult one to do.

1676
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: I think defenses will be very pretty hard.

1677
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 3: Depends like with a O lineman that you could see

1678
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 3: it like if you're moving the guy out of the gap,

1679
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 3: like you could be doing the task, but are you

1680
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 3: are you moving him to the sideline Like for me

1681
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: as a backer, like I could take a I could take.

1682
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 2: An offensive lineman on in the hole.

1683
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: But if we're stagnant or I'm barely getting moved even

1684
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 3: though I'm doing the right thing, like I know, mom

1685
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 3: leveraging the right side to all these guys, don't know

1686
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 3: what the fuck the talker takes on more of a

1687
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 3: more of a thudder dote hi tower takes on somebody

1688
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 3: and puts the offensive lineman in the gap. You'd see

1689
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 3: why he'd get like a better grade because he's he's

1690
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 3: physically moving the guy more, which could play into it

1691
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 3: and to do a spill.

1692
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,440
Speaker 2: Uh, it's so crazy because defense.

1693
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 3: Doesn't feel the same way when you're talking about some

1694
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 3: of the basketball Stuff'm like, I kind of don't know

1695
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 3: what that means.

1696
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: But he makes that shit sound great.

1697
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 3: It's crazy, right, and but yeah, that's what's a crazy world.

1698
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 3: More so defense where you can hide behind stats like

1699
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 3: dbs who get a lot of picks, you have like

1700
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 3: you got a lot of picks you made a lot

1701
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 3: of plays on the ball, you get a lot of sacks,

1702
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 3: he could be a bad run defender, like maybe he's

1703
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 3: rushing to get a sack every damn play.

1704
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: Right, that's a great point. Yeah, DB's too.

1705
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 4: It's like if you get a lot of picks, that

1706
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 4: means they're throwing the ball on your side right right.

1707
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1708
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 4: Or if you're a safety too, safeties do like Kevin Byron.

1709
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 4: He's on the Titans.

1710
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: He had a lot of interceptions this past year, and

1711
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: he's just in the right place at the right time.

1712
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 3: Again, full quarterbacks that type of thing.

1713
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: But if you're a corner one on one like Drew

1714
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: Revis at one point when he was on Revis Island

1715
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: is like he it was like, you don't even throw

1716
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: to that area, Like he just lost.

1717
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 3: Dudes down the great ones, like they probably won't have

1718
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 3: a lot of stats because then the ball's not thrown

1719
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 3: to him, right, you know how it is.

1720
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 2: So it all comes down who's.

1721
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: The cornerback for the Dallas Cowboys. Keep going ahead and

1722
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: we'll keep going Stefan Diggs. No, the corner is it's

1723
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: the Trevon Digs. Trevon Diggs, He's a guy I saw

1724
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 1: a stat I don't know if this is true or not.

1725
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: He had the most interceptions in the NFL last year.

1726
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: But he also had the most yards given up by

1727
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: any cornerback too. But he was all pro. He would

1728
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: play aggressively. You could beat him on a double move

1729
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: because he's like looking to.

1730
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: Get a pick. He trying to get them. Pichy, he

1731
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: is a stud. But yeah, like like the great ones.

1732
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 3: But you know how it is, like all those numbers,

1733
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: all that stuff comes down to like trying to gain leverage,

1734
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 3: like in a negotiation. So some guys it does work out,

1735
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 3: you know, others you know it might not.

1736
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 1: But it all comes down to probably the thing. Another

1737
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: thing is too just like supplying demand. Like a lot

1738
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: of guys would go in to free agency and you'll

1739
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 1: be like, he's not that good, but he gets broke

1740
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: off because this team needs there's let's say there's market day,

1741
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: the market down, there's not.

1742
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 4: Many tackles out on twenty sixteen free agency. By a year,

1743
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 4: I was a free agent twenty seventeen. I tried to

1744
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 4: get a player option for sixteen after the sixteen year.

1745
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 4: I didn't get it with my Clippers contract, and I

1746
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 4: missed out like that summer was Bombers.

1747
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 2: That was the summer where you know.

1748
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 4: Timothy Mosk, I've got sixty four million dollars from Lakers.

1749
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah.

1750
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:03,840
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1751
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,280
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1752
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Speaker 2: Now back to the episode.

1774
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 3: Dude, I want to talk about like I know you've

1775
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 3: talked about it openly, but like your Duke days, like

1776
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 3: you were one of the most hated players in college basketball,

1777
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 3: like history, like obviously Duke as well, but like it

1778
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 3: just in college basketball in general. And there were times

1779
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 3: where you talked about quitting, and I've seen that you did.

1780
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 3: Is it true that you've changed your number at times?

1781
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 3: Like your cell phone number?

1782
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 2: Oh my god? So yeah.

1783
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 4: I mean my sophomore year, I've probably changed it ten

1784
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 4: or fifteen times. There were so many nights that year

1785
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 4: where I don't know who was the culprit who from

1786
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 4: it was somebody from Duke that had a friend at

1787
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 4: another school that would pass along my number, and you know,

1788
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 4: it was UNC fans mostly and Maryland fans mostly. And

1789
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 4: back then I had the Nokia, you know, and so like,

1790
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 4: I don't know if you could do this maybe in

1791
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 4: like the Upper Model my junior and senior year, but

1792
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 4: early on, like you couldn't like get an alarm and

1793
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 4: simultaneously have it on silent. So I would just get

1794
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 4: calls all night long, like thirty forty calls, you know,

1795
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 4: as soon as like the number shows up at a

1796
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 4: Maryland party or at a Maryland bar, like my shit's

1797
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 4: blown up, over and over and over again. So I, yeah,

1798
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 4: I had to deal with that. There were you know,

1799
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 4: there were times that Maryland fans would call me, they

1800
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 4: would call me the Antichrist, which just like what again,

1801
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 4: this is true? No, it's wonder but the watch it

1802
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 4: goes back to why I sort I felt like, in

1803
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 4: a way, we're all the main character in our own story, right,

1804
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 4: We're all little bit narcissistic, I think inherently, Yeah, but

1805
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 4: you know, Duke felt like this this this fish bowl,

1806
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 4: and I was like the main character. Everybody. Everybody really

1807
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 4: hated me, and it was it was tough to deal with.

1808
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 4: So yeah, my sophomore year, and I may have told

1809
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 4: this story with with Dan and Eric on their pod,

1810
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 4: but my sophomore year, I called my sisters to campus.

1811
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 4: It was during the Christmas break. I told him to

1812
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 4: come over from Raleigh and they came over. There was

1813
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 4: this chicken place and we grabbed a chicken sandwich and

1814
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm done, like I want to quit,

1815
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 4: and they're like, what do you mean? I was like,

1816
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 4: I just I was like, I want to be a

1817
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 4: normal student. I want to go to class. I want

1818
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 4: to be a frat kid. I think I probably said

1819
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 4: I wanted to write poetry. I think that probably came.

1820
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 2: Ran poetry when you're depressed, that it is the move,

1821
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 2: it is the move, that is this move. Sure, And

1822
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 2: and then I didn't quit.

1823
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 4: Second semester, I went into what I would describe as

1824
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 4: a spiral. I was out every night, nights before games.

1825
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 4: I would drink twenty five thirty beers n show up

1826
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 4: the next day. I counted really crossing, like the marker

1827
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 4: on the wrist. I move after the season there. Do

1828
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 4: you guys remember the OC please? Some of you watch

1829
01:14:58,960 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 4: the OC.

1830
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, but I did not watch it.

1831
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 4: That was the show when I was in college. That

1832
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 4: was like we would record it on VHS. We record

1833
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 4: it and like watch it later. So it was a Thursday,

1834
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 4: and I was like, OC's on tonight, and I was like,

1835
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to see how many beers I can drink tonight.

1836
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 4: And I started at eight o'clock when the OC came on,

1837
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 4: and I got to like thirty nine by the next morning,

1838
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 4: and and it was just like that was my second

1839
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 4: semester at Duke. I was just I was out of control,

1840
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 4: and a little bit of it was immaturity and selfishness.

1841
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,719
Speaker 4: A little bit of it was rebellion because I had

1842
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 4: my whole sporting life since I was seven years old.

1843
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 4: And watch Christian Latner hit the shot to be Kentucky,

1844
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to go to Duke.

1845
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 2: I want to go to Duke. And it was like

1846
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 2: a dream come true.

1847
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 4: And then I get to Duke and I'm like, oh,

1848
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 4: everyone fucking hates my guts, Like this is not what

1849
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 4: I signed up.

1850
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: Why did everyone? Why did anyone hate you so much

1851
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: because I was a Duke. I mean if I had

1852
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 2: gone to Florida or Uva, like it would have been funne.

1853
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: I would just would have been a normal kid. I

1854
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 2: would have had that hate vibe home.

1855
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 4: They do they do and it's like the white villain

1856
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 4: at Duke like that was.

1857
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: That was definitely part of it. I was next in

1858
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:10,879
Speaker 2: line for that because.

1859
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 4: We I mean we had we had like eleven or

1860
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 4: twelve games my freshman year that we played at the

1861
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 4: beginning of the season. It was like home games, and

1862
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 4: then we played like UCLA in Indianapolis. We played Ohio

1863
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 4: State in Greensboro for the Big tenn ACC Challenge. We'd

1864
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 4: have a road game till after the new year, and

1865
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 4: we go to Clemson. We come out for warm ups

1866
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 4: in the entire student sections chanting ship. Two weeks later,

1867
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 4: we go to Uva, my home state. There's all these students.

1868
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 4: I had really bad bacne in college and I had

1869
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 4: there's all these kids wearing like makeshift white Duke for

1870
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 4: Duke number four jerseys and they had painted like red dots.

1871
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 2: On their shoulders. Hilarious. By the way, I thought it

1872
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: was hilarious. I was, you know, I was very sensitive.

1873
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 2: You think it was funny.

1874
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 4: I did, even though it was really sensitive about you know,

1875
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 4: my my shoulder acting. I was like, man, that's that's

1876
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 4: fucking creative. Why didn't you go T shirt unto the jersey?

1877
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 4: Then if you're so if you're insecure, about it.

1878
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: It was a rule.

1879
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 4: We couldn't do it. I convinced him thephomore year, I

1880
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 4: went into his office. I may have cried and I

1881
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 4: was just like, you gotta let me know. Shit shirt

1882
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 4: under my jersey.

1883
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: Damn you you say may have I cried? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1884
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: Well that's that's a real deal.

1885
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 4: So the end of my sophomore year, we lost in

1886
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 4: the final four. It was a it was a low

1887
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 4: point for me. We we lost to Yukon. We were

1888
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 4: up eight with like three and a half minutes to go,

1889
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 4: and they came back and I had a chance twice,

1890
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 4: actually once to take the lead with like ten seconds left.

1891
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 4: I got stripped and then I had a chance with

1892
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 4: like five seconds left to hit a three to Taius

1893
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 4: and I missed him both and I just like that

1894
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 4: spiral that I was on went even deeper, and Coach

1895
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 4: would like make me come in on Saturday mornings to

1896
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 4: his office and he would meet with me, and he

1897
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 4: told me during one of those meetings, he said, uh,

1898
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 4: we didn't win a national championship because you weren't worthy

1899
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 4: to be a champion. It's like the met thing everyone's

1900
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 4: ever said to me. And it was true. It was true,

1901
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 4: but it was like so soul cutting right. That sent

1902
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 4: me further down. So I then my parents, because they

1903
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 4: knew I was having a tough time for Christmas, had

1904
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 4: given me a toy airplane.

1905
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the it was a ticket.

1906
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 4: Basically, They're like, wherever you want to go after the

1907
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 4: school year's out, you can go.

1908
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 2: So I'm like all right.

1909
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I want to go see my buddy,

1910
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 4: duke soccer player. I want to go see my buddy

1911
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,440
Speaker 4: in California. So I planned this trip. We went to Davis, California.

1912
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 4: We went to the Bay, we went to Santa Barbara,

1913
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 4: we went to La drove back up.

1914
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 2: Well.

1915
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,719
Speaker 4: By the time I got to the trip, my parents

1916
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 4: knew that I was in a really bad place. I

1917
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 4: had seven dollars in my checking account. They're like, we're

1918
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 4: not going to give you any money for this trip.

1919
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 4: We'll let you still go on the trip, We're not

1920
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 4: going to give any money. I basically like bummed off

1921
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 4: people for those like ten days I was out there.

1922
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 4: And I got back from the trip, and I was

1923
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 4: supposed to finish an incomplete because I had knock gone

1924
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 4: a class all semester either so I was supposed to

1925
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,839
Speaker 4: finish it in complete. So I'm hanging out my buddy's

1926
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 4: apartment for like two weeks, and I would wake up

1927
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 4: at like two pm in the afternoon, I'd start chugging beers.

1928
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 4: I'd have a burrito party through the night, wake up

1929
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 4: at two pm. I did that for two straight weeks.

1930
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 4: No one knew where I was. I told my parents

1931
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 4: I was in summer school. I told Duke I was

1932
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 4: back home finishing my complete One day, I get a

1933
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 4: fucking wrap rap rap at noon on the door of

1934
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 4: the apartment and it's Coach Collins and Coach Wojo. So

1935
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 4: I walked downstairs. I've literally got by the way. I

1936
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 4: have one outfit I've got. It's an aberc It's a

1937
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 4: blue Abercrombie shirt and Abercrombie cargo show.

1938
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 2: It was the time.

1939
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 4: It was the time, and I've and I've got these

1940
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 4: these flip flops that I had bought at the Gap

1941
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 4: in San Francisco with my last five dollars. They were

1942
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 4: on sale, and they're like, they're like, come outside. So

1943
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, So I'm two, I'm probably one

1944
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 4: ninety five. I'm two twenty five. Bro, I'm fucking fatty.

1945
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,759
Speaker 4: I'm fat as fuck. I hadn't shaved in like three weeks.

1946
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 4: My hair is like Sae frat boy hair, you know

1947
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 4: what I mean.

1948
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 2: A little wavy, little curly right over the years.

1949
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 4: They're like, you know, come outside. We get in the car,

1950
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 4: we drive all the way back to camp.

1951
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: Possible for where's your anxiety? And when these dudes knock.

1952
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 3: On the door, ten out of ten, ten out of ten,

1953
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 3: which is debilitating.

1954
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 2: Debilitating. There was bongs everywhere as well, like it was bad.

1955
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 2: It was a bad scene. Beer beer cans everywhere.

1956
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 4: In a way though, and I'll in a way, I

1957
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 4: was like, finally, really, yeah, someone came to get me.

1958
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:34,440
Speaker 4: I was like finally. And so they we go to campus.

1959
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 4: We're getting ready to cock. This is a random part

1960
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 4: of the story. But we get we get ready to

1961
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 4: turn on campus and Wojo looks in the rear for

1962
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 4: yoummu and he's like, nobody said a word, by the way,

1963
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 4: since come outside, Like I just followed them into the car.

1964
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 4: We get to campus and he's like, so what have

1965
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 4: you been doing? And I was like I don't know

1966
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 4: why I said this, but I was like watching movies.

1967
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: I was like all right.

1968
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 4: So they took me up to Coach K's office. They

1969
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 4: dragged me through the through the fifth floor. He's on

1970
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 4: the sixth floor. They dragged me through the fifth floor

1971
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 4: to embarrass me and shame me, which I love that

1972
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 4: they did that because Bojo and College are complete assholes

1973
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 4: and I love them to death. So they dragged me through,

1974
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 4: I'm like looking like shit, and then we go up

1975
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 4: to Coach's office. We had a lot, like a long

1976
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 4: hour and a half meeting, and you know, they they

1977
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 4: basically it was basically an ultimatum. It was like, dude,

1978
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 4: we're not going to kick you off the team. We're

1979
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 4: not going to kick you off camp, you know, at

1980
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 4: of school, but you need to get your shit together,

1981
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 4: and like we're gonna get you, you know, the help

1982
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 4: you need. So like I started seeing a therapist, saw

1983
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 4: a therapist the rest of my time at Duke that summer.

1984
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: I saw a psychiatrist as well.

1985
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 4: They put me on a fucking hourly schedule that summer

1986
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 4: and it was dude, I swear to god, I still

1987
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 4: have the sheet. Is eight am, wake up, nine am,

1988
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 4: check in, ten am class, you know, one pm, study hall,

1989
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 4: two pm court, three pm, weights, four PM run, five pm,

1990
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 4: pick up, six pm, dinner, eight pm. You know, you're

1991
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 4: in your apartment ten pm, lights out. And I did

1992
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 4: that all summer.

1993
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: They check in your apartment to make sure it was.

1994
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 4: Funny because it was two weeks into summer school, so

1995
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 4: I didn't have I had have petitioned the dean to

1996
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 4: get back into summer school.

1997
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: They let me back in.

1998
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 4: I took a class on the Civil War and there's

1999
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 4: the start of my transformation as a student as well

2000
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 4: that summer. I got basically straight a's after that. But

2001
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 4: because it was so late in the summer, they were like,

2002
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 4: we don't like all the all your teammates, all the managers, everybody,

2003
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 4: you know that they already have roommates. So there was

2004
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 4: this random dude, I don't know his name. There's this

2005
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 4: random dude on Central campus. They were like, there's a

2006
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 4: person that has an extra bedroom in the two bedroom

2007
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 4: apartment on Central Campus.

2008
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 2: You're gonna live with this person.

2009
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 4: And he had no affiliation to anyone I knew any

2010
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 4: affiliation of the team. And I walked into the apartment.

2011
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, man, I'm going through some shit.

2012
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 4: I would appreciate it. I'm going to be friendly to you,

2013
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 4: but I appreciate it if you just like let me,

2014
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 4: let me be for the next like six weeks.

2015
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 2: And he's like, what a first impression? Yeah? Yeah, so

2016
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: what did he say to you? He's like, okay, O, good,

2017
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 2: no worries.

2018
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 4: And I would like see him like later on like

2019
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 4: my junior and senior year, and it was like it

2020
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 4: was like a passing, you know, sort of like I

2021
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 4: didn't know his name.

2022
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 2: No, he probably talks about you all the time. He

2023
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: probably talk about you all the time.

2024
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 3: Dude, you're probably talking about he was instrumental and JJ reddick.

2025
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 2: A yeah, jj reddick h. Yeah. When I met him,

2026
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 2: he was going through it is done. Yeah, see what

2027
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: he's done that schedule.

2028
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 4: That was life changing. Yeah, because that became the rest

2029
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 4: of my life. And I wouldn't have done what I

2030
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 4: did in the NBA, or don't even done what I

2031
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 4: did a duke had the length of career I had.

2032
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 4: I was, I mean, from that point I was a psycho.

2033
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 4: I was an absolute psycho. It was like diligent routine,

2034
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 4: my schedule that takes precedence over everything. I need to

2035
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 4: get my work done, I need to get my sleep,

2036
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 4: I need to eat right, I'm going to go after

2037
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 4: it like that over and over and over again. And

2038
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 4: I did that for the rest of my career.

2039
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 2: Oh shit, dude, that's a that's an incredible deal.

2040
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think I discipline, disciplines the number

2041
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: one you need for success is what you're saying.

2042
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: Well, I think obsession is I agree with that.

2043
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 4: I think because even with like a creative you don't

2044
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 4: necessarily need discipline if you're super talented. I know guys

2045
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 4: in the NBA that aren't as disciplined as I was.

2046
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 4: I know guys that probably are more disciplined than I was.

2047
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 4: Like I, it's obsession. It's like the true love the

2048
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 4: stuff we were talking about earlier about like fuck, man,

2049
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 4: I want to go have a beer on Broadway, or

2050
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 4: fuck I want to go, you know, have Thanksgiving dinner

2051
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 4: with my family, all those things, like we have to

2052
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 4: be more obsessed with the other thing. We have to

2053
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 4: be more obsessed with what we're doing. And I always was.

2054
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 4: I was always more obsessed with it, and it's you know,

2055
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 4: so it was like the obsession on one hand, but

2056
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 4: then it was like learning how to be diligent, learning

2057
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 4: how to have a routine, you know, I I developed

2058
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 4: this routine as a pro player. It was like it

2059
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 4: was sick because my routines had routines, and it was

2060
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 4: like to the minute on a game day, to the minute,

2061
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 4: starting at eight am. Whenever I woke up, it was like,

2062
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 4: to the minute. All right, it's twelve thirteen, I've got

2063
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 4: seventeen minutes till i need to lunch. It's one to fifteen.

2064
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 4: I've got fifteen minutes till I need to take my nap.

2065
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 4: I'm waking up at four pm. I'm calling the room

2066
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 4: service at four thirt Like it was just everything was

2067
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 4: to the minute.

2068
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: When you do stuff like that, though, does it ever

2069
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: feel like if something messes with that schedule, like your

2070
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: kids are doing something, your wife does something, you can

2071
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: argue with somebody and at fucksuper situal where you're nothing,

2072
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: you're now off the minute? Yeah, it does it fuck

2073
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: up your game? Did it fuck up your situation? Because

2074
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: being that obsessive.

2075
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: It would fuck me up in the moment.

2076
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 4: I don't know there was one example I can think

2077
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 4: of where it really fucked me up in the game,

2078
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 4: but it would fuck me at the moment.

2079
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example of that.

2080
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 4: My first game with the Pelicans were in Toronto, and

2081
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 4: again they don't know that I'm like this, And so

2082
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 4: Jamel McMillan, Nate McMillan's son, comes in the training room

2083
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 4: and I've started my routine ninety minutes on the clock.

2084
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 4: I'm in the training room, sixty five minutes on the clock.

2085
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 4: I'm in the weight room, fifty two minutes on the clock.

2086
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,839
Speaker 4: I'm on the court eight minutes. I'm finishing up my workout.

2087
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 4: I'm back in the locker room at thirty six minutes,

2088
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 4: like I'm starting that first game. And he comes to

2089
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 4: the locker room and he's like, hey, man, you're shooting it.

2090
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 4: He made he said some time that was not my

2091
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,800
Speaker 4: shooting time, and I fucking lost.

2092
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 2: It on him.

2093
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 4: And I really Jamel and I are cool, like, but

2094
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 4: it was our first interaction that we had had, and.

2095
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck? What what kind of

2096
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: operation is this? That's not my shooting top. I agree

2097
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 2: to this shooting time this morning. I told you, motherfuckers.

2098
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 4: Like then, I'm like, okay, I gotta go apologize like

2099
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 4: seven people right now.

2100
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that was the game. That's the game, like

2101
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: all that stuff.

2102
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 4: The one time was I was in Indianapolis when I

2103
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 4: was with the Bucks and were it was a different

2104
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 4: hotel than we normally stayed at. And I ordered my

2105
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 4: room service and it never came, and I went, you know,

2106
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm running out of time. Now I've got

2107
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 4: to go down. I canna take my bags under the bus.

2108
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 4: So I went down. I go to the restaurant like, hey,

2109
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 4: room service never came, Like whatever, they go get it.

2110
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: They gave it to me a minute before my bus time.

2111
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 4: So I'm eating like on the bus as I'm walking

2112
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 4: in the arena, and I was like two for thirteen

2113
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 4: that night and just couldn't I couldn't focus on the game.

2114
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: Was it because of the because of the food, because

2115
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: the food is bad? Like you're, yeah, what do you

2116
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: think about the routine?

2117
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 3: There?

2118
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 2: Me up?

2119
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 3: Messed up your dad?

2120
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: Here's it?

2121
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 4: So it was all about control for me. You know,

2122
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 4: I get here, that's what I can control. I'm going

2123
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,839
Speaker 4: to control this and like you're now you're now fucking

2124
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 4: with my control. The one thing I can control is

2125
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 4: my routine, and now you're fucking with it.

2126
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:28,799
Speaker 2: And I'm pissed.

2127
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sucked up? Looked Yeah, two for thirteen? Yeah, see.

2128
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: I've tried to be like that before during game, especially

2129
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: in game day. But one thing I've realized for myself,

2130
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 1: when I do best when I had like I don't

2131
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: try to have control over anything as long as like

2132
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, oh, I just need to

2133
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: feel good before this game starts. I can show up

2134
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: four hours before the game starts. I showed up two

2135
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 1: hours before the game starts. It does not matter to

2136
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 1: me anymore. But at one point I was like that,

2137
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: right if for like, wake up at this specific time,

2138
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: go get in the cold tubs, go from there, go

2139
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: get a coffee at that Starbucks. Then you know that,

2140
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: get to the coffee, you go right to the stadium

2141
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 1: that I used to you like that.

2142
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 2: But then one thing would happen.

2143
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: It would fuck me up, and then I would tell

2144
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: myself after the game, I like, oh, that's it's because

2145
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: you messed up your deal.

2146
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got over that at Duke.

2147
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 4: Like by the end of my Duke time, I was like,

2148
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 4: I'm my performance on the court is not because I

2149
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 4: made three out of four on the last spot of

2150
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 4: my routine and didn't make four out of four. Like,

2151
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 4: I just got over that part of it. I think

2152
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 4: it was more about just like it was like, here's

2153
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 4: what I need to do to peak at seven oh

2154
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 4: seven or seven thirty seven when that all goes up

2155
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 4: and it's tipped, like, here's what I need to do

2156
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 4: to peak at that time. So it was that was

2157
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 4: what was what it was about. To besides the control

2158
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 4: was like there was a reason that I did everything.

2159
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, well I did tie my shoes a

2160
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 4: certain way and put on my clothes my jersey in

2161
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 4: a certain order.

2162
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:49,560
Speaker 2: But it wasn't about superstitious.

2163
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 8: It was whatever. But it was like a few got

2164
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 8: a feel you have a thing? Do you have a precision? Yeah,

2165
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 8: not that I'm like thinking of, Like you know, I

2166
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:01,520
Speaker 8: love a pregame latte.

2167
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I wouldn't say it's like a superstition like

2168
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 3: if I missed it, I would like think a certain way.

2169
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 4: I mean, what if somebody said that we don't have lattes,

2170
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 4: We're just going to give you an espresso shot, Like.

2171
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm good, you're not gonna sn't take it. So

2172
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:17,520
Speaker 2: it's not about the caffeine.

2173
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's not about the caffeine. It's just

2174
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 3: like the vibes going into the stadium. It's like about

2175
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 3: getting a latte's putting into the cup holder, it's turning

2176
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 3: up zz top, Sharp Dressed Man, Lagrange all this easy

2177
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 3: Top Cinderella Man by eminem a lot of like old

2178
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 3: school bangers and like feeling good walking outware latte.

2179
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 2: What No, Cinderella Man. That's a banger.

2180
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: You said its easy Top three times and all of

2181
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: a sudden it Cinderella Man eminem.

2182
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 2: Ez time. Yeah, Sharp Dressed Man Lagrange. Yet. Yeah, Like

2183
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 2: Cinderella Man is another one.

2184
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 3: Like if if I'm feeling like I got to have

2185
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 3: like a comeback game or a get back on track

2186
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 3: game in my head, I'm going to Cinderella Man when

2187
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 3: I'm walking inside, because to me, it's like I'm Cinderella Man.

2188
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 2: I'm the fucking underdog. All that kind of So, you.

2189
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 4: Know what, we're all telling ourselves our story.

2190
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 2: You're always telling yourself what you need to do.

2191
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of like I guess I think there's

2192
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 4: not is that because you listen to it one time

2193
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 4: before a game and you played well and then you're like, okay,

2194
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 4: that's my Yeah.

2195
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 3: Some of that yeah, yeah, like visualization, like running through

2196
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 3: the same reel in your head about like old plays

2197
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 3: that you've made, just to like see yourself do it

2198
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 3: and feel this and feel that. Yeah, it's like a

2199
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 3: kind of like a routine like that, and then if

2200
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 3: you have a baller game, you're like, yeah, I gotta

2201
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:24,879
Speaker 3: go back to that kind of routine.

2202
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 2: But if it throws off, I'm not Like flow states,

2203
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 2: it's like that's the wat.

2204
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 4: Talk about peak, getting to the peak, like hitting the

2205
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 4: peak at seven thirty seven? Yeah, what are the things

2206
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 4: I need to do to get into a flow state?

2207
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 4: Because as an athlete, like if you're not in the

2208
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 4: flow state, you're okay, maybe you're shitty, but you're not

2209
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 4: like the best version of.

2210
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 3: Yourself, right, You're in your own head a lot.

2211
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also one of the most difficult things to

2212
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 1: achieve is the flow state. Just be like nothing else

2213
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: mana as you're so present right now, you're thinking about

2214
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:51,400
Speaker 1: anything else.

2215
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, for sure.

2216
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 3: One time in Tampa is like before the fourth preseason games,

2217
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 3: the first time I made the team out right, So

2218
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 3: I was in my second year, went through preseason anxieties

2219
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 3: at a ten because I'm like, this is it, Like

2220
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 3: I gotta make the fucking team? Yeah, And uh, I

2221
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 3: had I had, I had ice cream before the game.

2222
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 3: The night before the game, I made myself up with

2223
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 3: ice cream M and MS had some caramels and fudge

2224
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 3: on that thing. And the boy ball like the boy

2225
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 3: played well, you gotta let the team and tackles that game.

2226
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 2: The boy the boy Yeah, And so sometimes.

2227
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 3: Like that would be my reason for having like I

2228
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 3: I literally think back to myself, I'm like, it puts

2229
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 3: me in like, uh, puts me in a good mood.

2230
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 2: Obviously, some ice cream puts anybody in.

2231
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 3: A good but like if everybody's like, why you eat

2232
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 3: that the night before a game, you just worry about yourself.

2233
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 2: You just yourself. There are dudes there everyone.

2234
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 4: I don't know every team you've been on, but Tians

2235
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 4: have a Sunday station every night before a game.

2236
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 2: You're like, why the fuck is that out there? That

2237
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 2: makes sense to me. It's like, what are we doing

2238
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 2: here with this this thing? I feel you guys can agree.

2239
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: But when we go back to the flow state thing,

2240
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 1: when you're in a flos, it's like the game goes

2241
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: by so fast and it's over. But there's other games

2242
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: where you're not like you're the opposite of flow state.

2243
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: Don't know what that is on flow state and you

2244
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 1: remember everything. Like we played Michigan, was playing Notre Dame.

2245
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: It was a night game. When we came back, it

2246
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: was like hundred a minute forty two left in the game.

2247
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: There's like five scores or whatever. That's when Denard threw

2248
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: it in the back of the end zone. Yeah, and

2249
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: we won it Anti Flow Thank you. And me and

2250
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: my girlfriend who I was dating at the time, Me

2251
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 1: and the girls the at the time, like I cheated

2252
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: on her or she cheated.

2253
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 2: On something happened like two days before it happened. I

2254
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 2: cheated on her. There was there was like a discover

2255
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 2: there's something was going on. But it was like it

2256
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 2: was during that game, and all I could think about

2257
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 2: was trying to get her back.

2258
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 1: And I played the entire game, and I played all right,

2259
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 1: played pretty good, decent, but like the whole game, I

2260
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: was not ever invested in that game.

2261
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, how do I make it

2262
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 2: up to this girl? Was she at the game? Probably

2263
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 2: it's one hundred and fifteen thousand, How can I tell

2264
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: I know?

2265
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 3: You know, because you know where your girl sits, and

2266
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 3: you feel like, no, I never knew anything like that

2267
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 3: where they're sitting.

2268
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 4: No, I never I never had that, and not till

2269
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 4: I got not to think the NFL, where I knew

2270
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 4: like people whe people were sitting. Yeah, and my dad

2271
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 4: would always sit and want a certain spot, always kind

2272
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 4: of look up at him every once in a while.

2273
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 4: But my girl, every every game my dad ever came to,

2274
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 4: even youth basketball, yeah, I'd always like find.

2275
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 2: Him, find him. You're the flow state part is like.

2276
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 4: When you're not in that state, you're thinking about what

2277
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 4: just happened. So it's like that you're carrying something to

2278
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 4: the next play. And I always always be like, oh,

2279
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,799
Speaker 4: should I had a turnover? Okay, that's like a tally.

2280
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 4: And then like I'd be like, all right, I made

2281
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 4: a shot. Okay, now we're even Oh I missed a shot.

2282
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 4: You are teaching right now, Okay, I just had a

2283
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 4: good pass. That's like then all of a sudden, like

2284
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 4: what are you playing? You're not actually in the game.

2285
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 4: You're like doing this tallly in you in your head. Yeah,

2286
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:54,879
Speaker 4: it's it was very detrimental to the the overall product

2287
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 4: that I was trying to put out on the court.

2288
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: There would be times where I'd be like so stressed

2289
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 1: out about games that I would do that on purpose, Yes, right,

2290
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 1: but okay, all you have to do is just play

2291
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: well in this series and your player should be Okay,

2292
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: that was a good play. He could have been on

2293
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: that play, but like that won't be like a minus.

2294
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: That'll because I made that good play on that yeah earlier. Well, no,

2295
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: that you you start playing the like a lot of

2296
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: times the way the greatest like minus zero plus zero

2297
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 1: did your job.

2298
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 3: Minus you didn't do your job.

2299
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 4: Plus you did something extra, something extra there, And so

2300
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 4: I like go and I have like a couple of

2301
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 4: I have like zero across the board, one minus.

2302
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 2: And a plus.

2303
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: Bag I'm up and even like a plus to me

2304
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: would be double what a minus was you know in

2305
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: your head. But you're like playing this game so you

2306
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 1: can tell yourself I played good any way to tell

2307
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: yourself I did well.

2308
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 2: What about the feeling of.

2309
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,679
Speaker 4: Being in the arena, being on the field, on the court, whatever,

2310
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 4: and just knowing that you're shit, like knowing that you

2311
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,719
Speaker 4: are having September this year game of your life.

2312
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we and unfortunately we were all at.

2313
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 4: And you're like, well, you can't escape it, and you

2314
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 4: feel like everybody knows that you're ship. Everybody knows you're terrible.

2315
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 2: What game was that? Worst fucking feeling as an Athletetember.

2316
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: Twelve, twenty twenty one. I so I tore my ACL

2317
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: in October.

2318
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 2: Of twenty twenty. I'll have the four right so, and

2319
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:15,759
Speaker 2: in my head, I'm like, come back season.

2320
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm with the boys, all these all these guys the

2321
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 1: whole year, telling like, hey, this would be a comeback here.

2322
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,759
Speaker 1: I feel great, I feel amazing, and I wasn't feeling

2323
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 1: the best. I go into camp and I'm like, no

2324
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: matter what is this better not be the film I

2325
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: want to see right now? Roll the tape. I'm like,

2326
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have to start. I have to start

2327
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: a half to start. I go out to play. They

2328
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: announced the offense. I'm fucking women, crowds going wild. I

2329
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: gave up two sacks in that game got dusted. Well,

2330
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: that's challeng Jones getting five sacks. This dude, Chileng Jones

2331
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 1: fifty five. He had five sacks in this game. I

2332
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 1: gave up two to him. This is me right here.

2333
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 3: But it feels like within the first three series, there's

2334
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 3: there's some there's this is the next.

2335
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 4: Series, this is the next series no chance, So I stop, stop, stop, stop.

2336
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 2: So at this point I've given up two.

2337
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: It's the first fucking quarter still, and I'm like, I've

2338
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 1: never done that in my life. That's never happened to

2339
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: me ever in my entire life. We're in the first

2340
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: quarter of four. I'm having a horrible game, Like there's

2341
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: no way to come back from it. It's got and

2342
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 1: it just the rest of the game just got worse

2343
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:17,799
Speaker 1: and worse and worse. I'd be seen on the sideline

2344
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: and like, you just feel like everyone's looking at you.

2345
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 1: I went and got an IV because I was cramping.

2346
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: Thank God, that's what this sack is. Go you can

2347
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 1: go back this sec This is a Kendall getting beat

2348
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 1: for a sack. I go back into the game. I

2349
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: played the Tennessee Times my whole entire career. I go

2350
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,679
Speaker 1: back into the game, and what do they say, Uh,

2351
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: the announcer love, the guy's name is Matt did a

2352
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: real fucked up movie.

2353
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 2: Go Tail.

2354
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 4: Lajuana's back in the game. The whole stadium, not the

2355
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 4: whole sam but the stadium starts booing and I'm.

2356
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 3: Just like, Will, Yeah, Will, I saw Will up there.

2357
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 3: Me and his wife are in the suite just fucking booming.

2358
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was, dude.

2359
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,679
Speaker 4: It was the worst, the worst feeling in the entire

2360
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 4: world as an offensive lineman. Would you get a penalty?

2361
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 4: What's going through your brain?

2362
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 2: O care? Same thing? No?

2363
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 3: No, hey, no, old man in the three We're in

2364
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 3: the Old Man in the three podcasts right now he's

2365
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 3: potting you up.

2366
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 2: Well yeah, okay, go ahead, you know what. You guys

2367
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 2: have the four. You guys have the four.

2368
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, what's the worst moment, what's the

2369
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 3: worst what's that situation for you?

2370
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 4: Game one, twenty nineteen playoffs against the Nets. I was

2371
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 4: some shit and they kept targeting me and isoing me,

2372
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:34,879
Speaker 4: and I fouled out with like four minutes ago, my blessing,

2373
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 4: Did you foul out?

2374
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, I'm gonna try and foul out.

2375
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 4: No, I was able to foul out of the Cardinals game.

2376
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 4: I would have it is a little bit of blessing,

2377
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Yeah, this is the great

2378
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,759
Speaker 4: thing about basketball. You have other players. They can produce,

2379
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 4: so like if you're having a shit game, sometimes they'll

2380
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 4: just be like, all right, we're gonna relieve him of

2381
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 4: his duties and we're gonna go with the other guy.

2382
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 4: He's getting getting benched, Yeah, getting benched. Yeah, just foll out,

2383
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 4: thank god.

2384
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 2: But yeah. Uh and then D'Angelo Russell waved me off

2385
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 2: the floor. He drew the sixth file. He waved me

2386
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 2: off the floor.

2387
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 4: And as I'm walking off the floor, yeah, I was

2388
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:07,759
Speaker 4: playing in Philly, the whole Philly. You know, the crowd

2389
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 4: is booing me. Yeah, which there insane thing. Yeah, and

2390
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:13,600
Speaker 4: like that was that was a low point for me.

2391
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 4: That was a low point. You know. The other part

2392
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 4: was like playing with Chris, and I love Chris, but

2393
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 4: like he demands so much of his teammates, and there

2394
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 4: were games where like I would not play well and

2395
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 4: I would feel like this overwhelming sense that I let

2396
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:33,719
Speaker 4: him down, you know, that I didn't I didn't reach

2397
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 4: his level that night, and that that probably hurts more

2398
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 4: than like getting booed by a crowd, right, because it's

2399
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 4: to me, it was always about like am I accountable

2400
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 4: to my teammates? If I'm accountable to my teammates, like

2401
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 4: fuck everybody else, you.

2402
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. So that probably those those moments

2403
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:51,799
Speaker 2: probably were worse. Yeah, they're the worse. It's the whole.

2404
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 3: Two thousand I'd say two thousand and sixteen Thanksgiving game

2405
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 3: for the Dallas Cowboys. Like I've talked about it before

2406
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:03,680
Speaker 3: on here, but when I missed two tackles in a

2407
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,639
Speaker 3: row on Ezekiel Elliott. And not only that, but Dak

2408
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 3: would check at the line of scrimmage and.

2409
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 2: I knew, like what the run plays were.

2410
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 3: He'd be like, he'd like step back and be like

2411
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 3: whether it be like Pope or Giant, Like I would

2412
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:23,600
Speaker 3: know what plays were coming and what they were chee copies. Yeah,

2413
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 3: And I would know what the play is and tell people.

2414
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 3: And fucking he broke a tackle from me, I like

2415
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 3: leave my feet diving off the diving board. And the

2416
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:34,720
Speaker 3: second miss tackle. The first one was in my head

2417
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, don't miss his tackle. And you know

2418
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 3: that that usually never works out for you. Universe doesn't

2419
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 3: hear negatives?

2420
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then they come there.

2421
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 3: It is right there, right fucking there, dude, And it

2422
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 3: was a big back.

2423
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 2: Go back. They drive, they drive all the way down again.

2424
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 2: I want him to hurt like I did earlier. They

2425
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 2: they drive all.

2426
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 3: The way down and score and we get to the

2427
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 3: sideline and I'm sitting on the bench and those are

2428
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 3: that's the time for me when I yeah, I really

2429
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 3: for you, yeah, I mean he had a hand on

2430
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 3: me too.

2431
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 2: And then he does the fuck heating, which, by the way,

2432
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 2: is he Elliott stole that from dond Robinson. And then

2433
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 2: they score and I go to the soul whole your

2434
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 2: effort did not look great. Right there, that's a minus.

2435
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 2: That's a minus.

2436
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 1: I looked like as right there, Yeah, yeah, we can

2437
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: go ahead and say that.

2438
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting on the sideline and I'm wondering. I'm like, man,

2439
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 3: everybody like it's a Thanksgiving game. Everybody's watching the Cowboys

2440
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 3: play on Thanksgiving, yep. And I saw an articles like

2441
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 3: the most televised like football game that year and shit,

2442
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 3: and it's just I'm sitting there thinking like, well, I

2443
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 3: wonder what people are saying about me on Twitter. That's

2444
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 3: to me, that was a moment when I knew social

2445
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 3: media and other stuff was consuming my mind more than

2446
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 3: you know, forget the last play, move to the next one.

2447
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 3: It was more like I can't miss this tackle because

2448
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 3: I'm on the big stage and everybody's gonna fucking think

2449
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 3: I'm trash or no, that I'm trash, and that game

2450
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 3: is one of those games you're like, man, just get

2451
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 3: me fucking home and off the field.

2452
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 2: It's a weird thing. As terrible, it's a weird thing

2453
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 2: as an athlete.

2454
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever felt this way of

2455
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: feeling like you've made it, like you're a star in

2456
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 1: the NFL or you're a star in the NBA, and

2457
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, Man, I.

2458
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 2: Hope I don't get exposed. Everyone knows I don't belong here.

2459
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:10,760
Speaker 2: There's a feeling. Yes, yeah, that's normal. That is you

2460
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 2: felt that. Oh yeah, that's normal. Okay, most I think

2461
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 2: most well it's years of therapy. Yeah, but I love that.

2462
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 4: No, but it's it's I think most high achievers and anything.

2463
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 4: If you asked, I don't know what the percentage is,

2464
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 4: but be a large percentage of actors, actresses, musicians, professors,

2465
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 4: like like, unless you're a narcissist like that has like

2466
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 4: delusions of grander like you, you really do think at

2467
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 4: times like I'm gonna be exposed.

2468
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 2: I'm going to be exposed as a fraud. That sucks.

2469
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 1: It almost be better to be a narcissist. Honestly, it

2470
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like a nice deal, like you

2471
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 1: just don't know.

2472
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:49,639
Speaker 2: I agree with you that way. Yeah, like imence ignorance.

2473
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, super, I'm not I'm that dude.

2474
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:53,879
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, no, you're not, You're like you guys are haters.

2475
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: But it's just fucking your narcissist. I gotta become a

2476
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 1: narcissist twenty twenty too, shit urcissis Taylor. Yeah, let's go. Hey,

2477
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: I do want to ask about your therapy. Do you

2478
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 1: feel like the therapy stuff is where that started to

2479
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: help you make your shift mentally in basketball? Like what

2480
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:18,799
Speaker 1: did you learn from therapy about yourself that was holding

2481
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 1: you back?

2482
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:21,759
Speaker 2: It's a great question.

2483
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 4: I think I I I learned, I learned who I was.

2484
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 4: I think I became more comfortable with who I was.

2485
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 4: And do ever, you guys ever take personality tests? Yeah,

2486
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 4: with the enneagram or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2487
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 4: so you know I've done. I did a bunch of

2488
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 4: college I did him in the NBA. I took one recently.

2489
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:46,799
Speaker 4: My wife would me take one recently? And like fifteen

2490
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 4: twenty years ago, if I'd taken one, like on the

2491
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 4: introverted extroverted scale scale, I would be like ninety five

2492
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 4: percent introverted, and if I took one now, like i'd

2493
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 4: be like fifty six introverted. So I'm still introverted, but

2494
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 4: I like have gotten enough comfortable enough with who I

2495
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:09,719
Speaker 4: am and myself and enough confidence and like the person,

2496
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 4: not the player, but the person. Because I was confident

2497
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 4: as a person, I could navigate NBA locker rooms, I

2498
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 4: could be a great teammate, I could be liaison between

2499
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 4: the coach and the player. It helped me on the court,

2500
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:26,760
Speaker 4: you know, I'm just like I think it gave me

2501
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 4: a sense of perspective about who I was and my

2502
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 4: value as a human being. Again, it's like I'm nineteen

2503
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 4: and everybody's like, fuck you. You know, you drink your

2504
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 4: own pea. The best T shirt I ever saw was

2505
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,599
Speaker 4: I was at Maryland my sophomore year and these guys

2506
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 4: had these white T shirts done and my picture was

2507
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 4: on the front. So I went a little closer to

2508
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 4: see what it said. And on the front it said

2509
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 4: when I grew up, I want to name my kid

2510
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 4: JJ Reddick. And so when I got close enough, they

2511
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 4: turned around so that I could see what was written

2512
01:43:57,240 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 4: on the back, and it said and beat him every day,

2513
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 4: which you know, that's savage, savage right, So like here again,

2514
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 4: I'm nineteen, I'm like, fuck, dude, you know so I

2515
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 4: think you drinks.

2516
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:12,600
Speaker 2: No, I never have. I never have. But it was

2517
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 2: a very clever.

2518
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 4: So it was I think it was like becoming like

2519
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 4: just just confident, like it's not it's I don't think

2520
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 4: it's egotistical to be like sure of yourself, you know

2521
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 4: what I mean. You could still be sure of yourself

2522
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 4: and be self aware enough to know when you're wrong,

2523
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:33,720
Speaker 4: know when you fucked up, to know that it's not

2524
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 4: all about you, Like my dad. That was the greatest

2525
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 4: piece of advice I've ever got in my life.

2526
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 2: You tell me that.

2527
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 4: Every day as a kid, I'd complain about something like JJ,

2528
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 4: it's not always about you, not always about you. That

2529
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 4: helped me, you know, is a is a as a

2530
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 4: basketball player on a team sport. It helped me help

2531
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 4: me navigate everything. But I think I think that's what

2532
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 4: it came down. That's that's that's the real benefit later

2533
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 4: on in life, you know, as I became confident who

2534
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 4: I was, I I We'll see I've seen a therapist that

2535
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 4: lives on the West Coast and comes into New York

2536
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 4: like once a month, and I talked to him on

2537
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 4: the phone. But you know that more is like almost

2538
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 4: performance coaching, you know what I mean by that, Like,

2539
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:15,479
Speaker 4: and he was the guy along with my wife really

2540
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 4: you know, but he kind of helped me get that

2541
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 4: last one percent to retire. It was like, but ninety

2542
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 4: nine percent of the way there for like a year.

2543
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 4: It was such a hard thing to let go of.

2544
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 4: And so him and I like met a couple of times.

2545
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 4: We did a bunch of these like time value proposition exercises,

2546
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 4: and we worked through some things why I want to play,

2547
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 4: why I don't want to play, And by the end

2548
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 4: of the second meeting, it was like, oh dude, it's

2549
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,720
Speaker 4: crystal clear, like it's not even as not even a

2550
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 4: question about whether or not I should retire. I should retire,

2551
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 4: Like it's it's time, and I was very comfortable with

2552
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 4: doing it.

2553
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 2: So damn.

2554
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, have you guys you guys don't you guys aren't

2555
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:53,679
Speaker 4: in therapy?

2556
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 2: See therapists? Oh yeah, I see therapist every week.

2557
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2558
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

2559
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:59,719
Speaker 3: I first started doing couples therapy before we got married,

2560
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,040
Speaker 3: and then we like fell in love with the whole

2561
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:05,160
Speaker 3: therapy aspect, like emotional intelligence, all that stuff, Like I'm

2562
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 3: I like love like looking into that stuff because I

2563
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 3: feel like you're psyche. It's like everything right, like losing

2564
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 3: control of yourself in a moment, like figuring out like

2565
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 3: why am I reacting to this?

2566
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 2: Or why am I.

2567
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 3: Getting upset or losing control? Or what am I scared of?

2568
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 3: Like being in therapy and actually talking about like it's

2569
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 3: like it's like you get the dead ends, like when

2570
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 3: you're in conversations with friends or buddies or something else

2571
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 3: and you don't nearly you don't nearly go as far

2572
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 3: as what you would in therapy, like there's nowhere to

2573
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 3: go and you're in a safe place, and then they

2574
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 3: ask those extra questions that actually get you talking about

2575
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 3: like the underlying thing that like breaks you, and then

2576
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 3: you're in tears for whatever reason, and then you come

2577
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 3: out of it and you're like, you know, you start

2578
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 3: learning about yourself a lot more.

2579
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 4: So, I'm glad that I'm glad that this is a

2580
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 4: safe space for us space.

2581
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 2: It's definitely a safe space. You work with what's the

2582
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 2: dow's name.

2583
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 3: You work with Armando.

2584
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 1: Armando at least part of cheat code, and it's like

2585
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 1: supposed to do a bunch of things he does, like

2586
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 1: a sound way and different songs and stuff like that,

2587
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:03,759
Speaker 1: and you put those on. He talks you through stuff,

2588
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:06,639
Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool because you talk about what's what's

2589
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:08,639
Speaker 1: bothering you in this moment. It's like a present feeling,

2590
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 1: like what's what's the he that's bothering me the most?

2591
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 1: And he'll be like, all right, look forward, like how

2592
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 1: do you feel when you look forward and think about it?

2593
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: You're like, well, I feel this way. And then you

2594
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 1: look right and look left and you're really present. You

2595
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 1: can notice like when you look whether it's right or

2596
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 1: left or middle, like some areas feel worse or better

2597
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 1: than others, so whatever's worse. He'll be like, all right,

2598
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 1: let's start there, or sometimes we'll start what's better, and

2599
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: then you just work through He's all right, now fixate

2600
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: on a spot, and then every sixty seconds, but like,

2601
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 1: what are you thinking about right now? And then he

2602
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,800
Speaker 1: you start talking to him, and then at one point

2603
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: while you're talking, it'll be rambling him like stop stop

2604
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: right there and go with that, and then you just

2605
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,799
Speaker 1: kind of keep working through it. And I'd say majority

2606
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: of the times ends in tears because you're just trying

2607
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 1: to Yeah, you're just trying to figure out You're trying

2608
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, why do I you do

2609
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: certain things so that other people approve of you when

2610
01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 1: you can't just approve yourself?

2611
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:00,799
Speaker 4: Like what is that from from being a child or whatever?

2612
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 4: And like how do you get to a point where

2613
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 4: you're the only ones trying to person to yourself? And

2614
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 4: it's just it's like you said, like the whole growth

2615
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 4: thing is it's super It's the most important thing. It's

2616
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 4: probably it's the most important thing as a human to do.

2617
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:15,719
Speaker 4: And we talk about reading, like we're both like trying.

2618
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 2: To read more. And when I got to read, I'm.

2619
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 4: Like to look at a fiction book like a book

2620
01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 4: that's not real. It's not a self help of Like

2621
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:25,680
Speaker 4: it's so hard for me to go and read that

2622
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 4: because I could go find something that's going to help

2623
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,680
Speaker 4: me like be a better person, you know. And so

2624
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 4: that's that's something definitely, And it's like you said all

2625
01:48:33,479 --> 01:48:36,200
Speaker 4: the time, it's the most important thing, like with whether

2626
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 4: it's sports, being a father, being a husband, all that stuff.

2627
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,479
Speaker 4: On the emotional intelligence, he's doing it again, No, I

2628
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 4: was not a question. It was a comment to Will's

2629
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 4: comment is that, Okay, that's all right.

2630
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 2: Okay, carry immediately we started it.

2631
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 4: No, I would say this is a little bit of

2632
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 4: a call back to what we were talking about earlier

2633
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:56,639
Speaker 4: about what will I ever be good at anything else?

2634
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 4: And I think what I realized at the end my career,

2635
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 4: and what I've realized over the last nine months is

2636
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:06,800
Speaker 4: like when you develop that side of your personality and

2637
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 4: developed that side of your brain, you can fit anywhere.

2638
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 4: Being able to like what we do, what you guys

2639
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 4: have done for a long time, what I did for

2640
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,439
Speaker 4: fifteen years and prior to that at Duke in high school, AAU,

2641
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 4: all that stuff, like what you do in a locker

2642
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 4: room and being able to navigate that year in year out,

2643
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:29,599
Speaker 4: like that is building a skill set, and by building

2644
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 4: your emotional intelligence, like you can fit anywhere, you could

2645
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 4: do anything. I really believe that I'm not going to

2646
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,719
Speaker 4: develop a rocket. It's going to take us to Mars.

2647
01:49:38,040 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 4: I'm not saying, but there's other like that that's like

2648
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:43,600
Speaker 4: almost like a like a skill set that is overlooked.

2649
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, i'd agree with you. Have you read

2650
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 3: an emotional intelligence two point zero? No?

2651
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 2: I haven't. Where do you get the emotional intelligence thing from.

2652
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 4: The first time I heard it was actually, uh is

2653
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,360
Speaker 4: now become a good friend of mine. David Solomon who

2654
01:49:57,439 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 4: now runs Golden Sacks. I met him, he was not

2655
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,599
Speaker 4: running Golden Sacks, was not the CEO. But yeah, it's

2656
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 4: a little flex.

2657
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 2: But no, but it was. It was like the first time.

2658
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:07,719
Speaker 2: It was the first time I'd ever heard the phrase.

2659
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 4: I spoke at this This was like in twenty sixteen,

2660
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:14,799
Speaker 4: I spoke on this panel at this retreat that Goldvin

2661
01:50:14,840 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 4: Sachs was having for like tech and media CEOs.

2662
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 2: I have no idea why I was invited. I really

2663
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:19,599
Speaker 2: truly don't know.

2664
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 4: But I spoke on this panel with Maverick Carter and

2665
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:28,280
Speaker 4: Casey Wasserman and David and I spent some time together

2666
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 4: at the dinner that night, and it was the first

2667
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 4: time that he brought it. I was like, you, you

2668
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:35,680
Speaker 4: have good emotional intelligence. You could you know, you can

2669
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:37,559
Speaker 4: work on Wall Street if you want it. Like, oh,

2670
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:39,640
Speaker 4: So then I like started reading about it, and then

2671
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 4: I started thinking about like how it relates to my

2672
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 4: own life, Like it's it goes back to like anything

2673
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 4: we do as an athlete, like our routine visualization, all

2674
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 4: that stuff. It's like it's like that constant flow state

2675
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 4: and so like being able to check in with yourself.

2676
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 4: What am I projecting on other people? What is that

2677
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 4: person projecting onto someone else? Like I'm constantly thinking about that,

2678
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:00,040
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's why it's been so

2679
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 4: enjoyable for me to have you guys in my chair

2680
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:03,599
Speaker 4: and ask you these questions.

2681
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:06,320
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Speaker 3: And now back to the show. Are we doing tier talk? Oh,

2709
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:24,599
Speaker 3: we get some tear talk. You have some tear talk.

2710
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:25,479
Speaker 2: We can have some tear talk.

2711
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 3: Let's do some tear talk now. My question, so tear talk.

2712
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:30,960
Speaker 3: You guys are getting familiar with tiar talk. Everybody out

2713
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 3: there in the audience. It's something newer that we've done,

2714
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,519
Speaker 3: but it's we have a tear system, we have our

2715
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 3: our audience. There's tier ones out there, tier twos, and

2716
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 3: tier threes. Now we bring it into a segment where

2717
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 3: we rate things. Most notably recently has been the burger

2718
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 3: thing that's one out there a couple of times when

2719
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 3: we rate it in and out, which, by the way,

2720
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 3: what's your favorite fast food burger? I saw all that

2721
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 3: my favorite fast food burger? Man, it's definitely not in

2722
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:51,559
Speaker 3: and out?

2723
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, we need then the questions over the question

2724
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 2: is now over, Like it's fine. It's not like but

2725
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 2: you watch my thing and you're like, yeah, I totally

2726
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 2: co signed with you.

2727
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's like, fine, dude, this is great.

2728
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm having a blast. Okay, God, well talk about you know,

2729
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 2: let's see what his favorite fast food burger is. Uh.

2730
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 4: I'm actually I would probably say what a burger because

2731
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 4: I lived in Austin and that's probably like I think

2732
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:22,360
Speaker 4: it's I think it's good.

2733
01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 2: I don't what about are we are we like solid burger?

2734
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,679
Speaker 2: Like are we doing like it's five guys fast food?

2735
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:29,400
Speaker 2: Is that not fast food? That's that's a that's a

2736
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 2: big question people are saying right now. Yeah, because there's

2737
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 2: no drive.

2738
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,920
Speaker 3: Through, drive through, which I do, like, I understand.

2739
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,519
Speaker 4: It's five guys, is more on the fast casual side

2740
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 4: like Chipotle.

2741
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 3: Basically, Oh, I don't even think a fast casual. It's

2742
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:43,879
Speaker 3: the second time i've heard that. Charles said it about Shakeshack.

2743
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 3: She's like, Shakeshack, Like Shakeshack, I think is awesome. She's like,

2744
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 3: but it's a little more fast casual because yeah, it's not.

2745
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:50,680
Speaker 3: There's no drive through.

2746
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:53,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you fancy, yeah, yeah, you fancy you.

2747
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 4: Think the number one burger is because I'm sure you've

2748
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 4: talked about you guys, but that's not that's not fast food.

2749
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, take okay, so just drive throughs. I bet you,

2750
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 2: I bet you men and out Burger makes it up.

2751
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 2: There doesn't. I was gonna say shake Shack, but shakes

2752
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:07,440
Speaker 2: I mean Hartys.

2753
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, Yeah, Carl Parties is fire. What a burger

2754
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:16,639
Speaker 3: is good? In and out is good. And I said,

2755
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:18,720
Speaker 3: but you're thinking and out burger is better than what

2756
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:22,480
Speaker 3: a burger? No, you know you're just saying.

2757
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm lying. In and out burger is better than.

2758
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:28,240
Speaker 1: In and out would be your number best fast burger.

2759
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 1: Carls Junior one in and Out too. I don't know, man,

2760
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 1: once five guys has taken out for you kind of falla.

2761
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 2: Because I think Shakeshack is good. Yeah, you kind of

2762
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 2: fall apart. Just a classy bitch, dude, you know what

2763
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's funny as all right. So basically, so

2764
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 2: tears dog go ahead.

2765
01:54:49,120 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 3: You rattled me, You rattled me. I'm not even thinking

2766
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 3: about that anymore. I'm trying to think of out fast

2767
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:54,160
Speaker 3: because we just found out that everything really stilled themselves

2768
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 3: on the last two weeks.

2769
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 2: It's not anymore.

2770
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,520
Speaker 3: I think the spicy ketchup is overrated at what a burger?

2771
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 3: Mm hmm okay, because because Texas are big on that

2772
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 3: perfect the whole the whole thing for me was coming

2773
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 3: from Missouri like you be in the locker rooms and

2774
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 3: when you travel like a Texas game or will you

2775
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:11,080
Speaker 3: we go on the West Coast to play Arizona and

2776
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 3: the guys who are on your team or West Coast like, oh,

2777
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 3: we got to go to in and Out and dudes

2778
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 3: from Texas immediate argument in the locker about what a

2779
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 3: burger in and out? So I always look forward to

2780
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 3: going to these spots to try these both all these

2781
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:25,760
Speaker 3: different burgers, and now that I've had them a few

2782
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 3: different times each, I do think I wanted to like

2783
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 3: what a burger more because again, I I'm more so

2784
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 3: like love to just argue against the West Coast people

2785
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 3: because they're so prideful about in and out Burger.

2786
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 2: But I would say in and out Burger is probably

2787
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 2: better burger than what a burger.

2788
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 1: Try fat burger too, Well, that's not all you drive

2789
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 1: through either, that's casual.

2790
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 2: Man, we learned something.

2791
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but on this tier talk, we're gonna be doing

2792
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 3: should we do pizza toppings or pizzas.

2793
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:53,720
Speaker 5: To where you can combine certain toppings and the well,

2794
01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:56,600
Speaker 5: but some people like just a pepperoni pizza, riches pizza

2795
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 5: or like whatever.

2796
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 2: We're not the thing you can toppings themselves.

2797
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:04,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'd be difficult too. I don't know where

2798
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: I'd stand on that, but I don't know where you

2799
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:08,320
Speaker 1: stand if I had to rank the number one topping.

2800
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, are we gonna say if

2801
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:11,680
Speaker 3: if Taylor.

2802
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:12,000
Speaker 2: Says that show?

2803
01:56:12,040 --> 01:56:14,920
Speaker 4: I don't know how the tear talk were.

2804
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 2: I think it's best pizza. I think best pizza. Yeah,

2805
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:19,680
Speaker 2: whatever is.

2806
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 1: Your best your number one favorite pizza tears. You know what,

2807
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 1: We'll do our three favorite pizzas and then you guys

2808
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:28,400
Speaker 1: will tear it for us. No, what do you mean

2809
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 1: here for us? Because if we're doing tier talk, there's

2810
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: tier one, two, and three.

2811
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2812
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 1: So JJ says my favorite pizza is X, and you

2813
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: say my favorite pizza is why, and I say my

2814
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 1: favorit pizza is Z. How are we gonna tear that?

2815
01:56:40,360 --> 01:56:42,360
Speaker 1: We can't because we'd always say that our pizza is

2816
01:56:42,440 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 1: number one.

2817
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 2: Right, But that's what we did with Bert with the

2818
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:46,040
Speaker 2: fast food burger.

2819
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,520
Speaker 3: We go one, two, three, like we quietly let JJ

2820
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 3: have the floor and he does this tier one through three.

2821
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:53,280
Speaker 1: But if you're just making a pizza, there's no he's

2822
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:54,480
Speaker 1: gonna make three pizza for us right now.

2823
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:56,680
Speaker 2: Off the top of my head, I can go. Let's go,

2824
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 2: I feel like everyone. Yeah, I can say three pizzas.

2825
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:02,240
Speaker 2: I'll figure out way say three pizza. You can go last, Taylor,

2826
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:03,920
Speaker 2: you can go. I'm always going last.

2827
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 3: Now, JJ, you have the floor, All right's gonna go.

2828
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:11,560
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go in an order of how I want

2829
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 4: to eat these pizzas. That makes sense.

2830
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:15,600
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know a little bit.

2831
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 4: More so I like, if you go to a great

2832
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 4: pizza place like Luke Collie in Brooklyn, I would I

2833
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:25,640
Speaker 4: would want to eat them in this order. Not the

2834
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:29,280
Speaker 4: entire pizza. I'm not that glutinous, but maybe a slice

2835
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:31,680
Speaker 4: or two of each. What I'm saying, gluatness is one

2836
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 4: of the seven deadly since I've been glad. I would

2837
01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 4: start with two toppings that you guys don't actually have

2838
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:41,280
Speaker 4: on this graphic here, which.

2839
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 2: Your number one? This is number one?

2840
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 4: I would say, this is my number one pizza, okay,

2841
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 4: number one, Like I just want like shallotts and hot peppers.

2842
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 2: Shallattes and hot peppers. Let's just let them have the floor,

2843
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:51,880
Speaker 2: did it.

2844
01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 4: Second pizza would be what I call a twin special,

2845
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 4: my wife's saired pizza along with her twin ago pepperoni,

2846
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 4: white onion, green pepper. And then for kind of like

2847
01:58:04,240 --> 01:58:07,320
Speaker 4: a dessert, I would go with ricotta sausage and maybe

2848
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 4: some some stage mm hmm.

2849
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:19,320
Speaker 2: I fucked you guys up tonight.

2850
01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:21,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you why you did your chef special

2851
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 1: on us just now, so my man knows it's pizzas.

2852
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 2: Well.

2853
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:36,840
Speaker 3: You have the floor, my tier one. You already laughing

2854
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:39,040
Speaker 3: because I just feel like you just said some artistic

2855
01:58:39,080 --> 01:58:41,000
Speaker 3: ship and you're gonna go sausage.

2856
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:46,880
Speaker 2: I mean, this is hard.

2857
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 3: My Tier one is very hard because there's a couple

2858
01:58:48,760 --> 01:58:52,520
Speaker 3: of pieces I'm thinking about. Well, either way, I got

2859
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:54,520
Speaker 3: to decide this tier one. That's what the hard part is.

2860
01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:00,520
Speaker 3: But I think if I had to order a pizza,

2861
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go.

2862
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:11,720
Speaker 4: Wait, he texted me this last night, so he's he's

2863
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 4: had twenty four hours.

2864
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 2: I thought about the entire I thought about my one.

2865
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:17,800
Speaker 2: I know exactly what I have it.

2866
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:21,160
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go like a sweet heat where

2867
01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 3: you got pepperoni halapao's. I love onions, so you can

2868
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:28,320
Speaker 3: just throw onions on them. That's not really part of it.

2869
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:30,160
Speaker 3: But I do love onions. But you throw like a

2870
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:32,320
Speaker 3: uh you get the red pepper flakes, but you also

2871
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 3: drizzled honey over top.

2872
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 2: You drizzle honey honey. Yeah, some MIC's hot honey. Yeah.

2873
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:38,200
Speaker 2: I like that.

2874
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:42,360
Speaker 3: My number two is Hawaiian. That's what battle for my

2875
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 3: number one. I'm a big Hawaiian pizza guy. I believe

2876
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:47,320
Speaker 3: in pineapples on pizza. I am pro pineapple on pizza.

2877
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:48,880
Speaker 3: And my number three.

2878
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:52,680
Speaker 2: Big CPK guy.

2879
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 3: I love supremes, I love meat lovers, but I think

2880
01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 3: if I had to order, I would go pepperoni and bacon.

2881
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:04,200
Speaker 2: My Tier three, M Taylor take it.

2882
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:12,680
Speaker 1: From here, brother, Okay, My Tier three is gonna be

2883
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:18,640
Speaker 1: very basic, extremely basic. It's gonna be your Neapolitan cheese pizza.

2884
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:21,680
Speaker 1: I think you can't beat it. You got a little

2885
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:24,839
Speaker 1: bit of garnish on there, you got your cheese, your sauce,

2886
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 1: and I think it's fantastic with the fluffy crust, it's

2887
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:28,520
Speaker 1: it's outstanding.

2888
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:33,680
Speaker 2: That's my Tier three. My Tier two is.

2889
02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:36,440
Speaker 1: Also the Hawaiian pizza, but with a spice. You gotta

2890
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:39,880
Speaker 1: throw banana peppers on there or jalapinos. I like a

2891
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:41,360
Speaker 1: little spice.

2892
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:43,600
Speaker 2: I have the four.

2893
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:50,240
Speaker 1: And number one is going to be I almost said

2894
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 1: yes when you said sopk because I'm a barbecue chicken

2895
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:59,240
Speaker 1: pizza guy. That's my number one barbecue sauce chicken. Really yeah,

2896
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:02,200
Speaker 1: a little on on there. I think it's out It's

2897
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:06,120
Speaker 1: my favorite possible pizza I can make for myself.

2898
02:01:06,920 --> 02:01:08,600
Speaker 2: Barb cute chickens, Robert good chicken.

2899
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:13,920
Speaker 3: Now that we're done, What the fuck was that, dude? Yeah?

2900
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:16,120
Speaker 2: What did you say? What was your number one? Shallots

2901
02:01:16,120 --> 02:01:20,120
Speaker 2: and what shallots and Pepperoni's shallots? Shalots on pizza? It's

2902
02:01:20,120 --> 02:01:23,000
Speaker 2: a cheat coat. What's a shalat? A shalot is like

2903
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:25,839
Speaker 2: like a little onion right between like a red onion garlic.

2904
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:28,760
Speaker 2: I like garlic, Yeah, I like onions.

2905
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:31,080
Speaker 3: I mean I like both those cook a little bit.

2906
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:36,000
Speaker 3: Shallat and sheldon what uh? Hot peppers? Hot peppers? How

2907
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:37,960
Speaker 3: some of those are like terrible and greases. I'm just

2908
02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:39,920
Speaker 3: thinking you're tier one. You're like, hey, JJ, what do

2909
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:41,960
Speaker 3: you want to eat? They got someone with the shallots

2910
02:01:41,960 --> 02:01:42,920
Speaker 3: and not peppers on it.

2911
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:46,960
Speaker 4: Here's the fuck man. I am not not a CPK hater.

2912
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:51,440
Speaker 4: I think I think restaurants like CPK Chili's TJ Fridays

2913
02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:54,320
Speaker 4: like they have their place in America, and I respect them,

2914
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:56,800
Speaker 4: and I've ate a lot of meals at places like that,

2915
02:01:57,800 --> 02:01:58,560
Speaker 4: But you're.

2916
02:01:58,440 --> 02:01:58,960
Speaker 2: Better than them.

2917
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 4: That question where you guys are eating pizza based on you,

2918
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 4: you guys saying Hawaiian pizza for both of you was

2919
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:06,680
Speaker 4: number two?

2920
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:09,960
Speaker 2: Fire and a barbecue chicken said number one.

2921
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:12,920
Speaker 1: I think question that, I think you can't touch barbecue

2922
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:14,680
Speaker 1: chicken pizza if you have the right barbecue sauce on it.

2923
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:18,080
Speaker 3: Brother, that's the one thing, like I mean cheese to me,

2924
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:20,600
Speaker 3: I was like, but everybody some people like like their

2925
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:21,240
Speaker 3: cheese pizza.

2926
02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:23,520
Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like a coastal elite here. Yeah,

2927
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:25,280
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna sound like a coastal elite.

2928
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, not getting you.

2929
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:28,000
Speaker 4: Like I live in New York. I live in Brooklyn.

2930
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:30,320
Speaker 4: Brooklyn is the best pizza in the world. Like, the

2931
02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:32,920
Speaker 4: ship is discussed, what do you mean the ship that

2932
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,160
Speaker 4: we're talking about? So you would need a sweet heat.

2933
02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:36,880
Speaker 4: I think you ragged it, like, oh that sounds pretty good.

2934
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah you said that, you actually did it. I think

2935
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:41,000
Speaker 4: you said that so sweet heat sounded nice.

2936
02:02:41,080 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 3: Hawaiian pizzazza is fire, bro.

2937
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, a coastal elite, you guys should just sit on

2938
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 1: the traditional ingredients and you guys just make the best

2939
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:48,880
Speaker 1: pizza and that's it.

2940
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:50,520
Speaker 2: That's how I think a coastal elite works.

2941
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:53,560
Speaker 1: So I think by you doing by you doing some

2942
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:56,200
Speaker 1: special like challottes and hot peppers, does that make you

2943
02:02:56,240 --> 02:02:58,960
Speaker 1: a coastal leaders? Make you use your you're just a

2944
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:00,920
Speaker 1: little fluff ad your TJ fright us with some Fluff's

2945
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:02,760
Speaker 1: what it sounds like to me, it's just what it

2946
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:03,280
Speaker 1: sounds like.

2947
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,080
Speaker 2: But I will agree on the barbecue chicken part. The

2948
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:07,240
Speaker 2: barbecue chicken throws me off.

2949
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:09,880
Speaker 1: Brokay, I'm not here to argue that part. I've gone

2950
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:11,720
Speaker 1: downhill within an out burger. I've seen what the people

2951
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:13,120
Speaker 1: have done. If Seal will stow to do to me,

2952
02:03:13,320 --> 02:03:16,240
Speaker 1: I think it's fucking ridiculous. Chicken pizza, honestly shameful of

2953
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:18,080
Speaker 1: you guys to handle you yourself the way you have.

2954
02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:19,760
Speaker 2: I think it's fucking ridiculous.

2955
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:22,360
Speaker 3: I think barbecue chicken pizza is the best pizza by

2956
02:03:22,360 --> 02:03:23,280
Speaker 3: cue chicken pizza.

2957
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:25,880
Speaker 2: No, they wouldn't eat Barbie chicken pizza. We wouldn't feed that,

2958
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:28,440
Speaker 2: y'all fucking up. We wouldn't feed that. You're fucking up

2959
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:29,880
Speaker 2: you like a Barbie.

2960
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:30,280
Speaker 8: My daughter?

2961
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:33,320
Speaker 3: What's my daughter to mellow mushroom last Sunday?

2962
02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:35,840
Speaker 1: She wants to go back this, she wants to go

2963
02:03:35,880 --> 02:03:38,520
Speaker 1: back tonight. I probably go get one tonight. You know

2964
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:42,040
Speaker 1: what I'm an order the Barbieae chicken pizza. Nope, hang on, no,

2965
02:03:42,120 --> 02:03:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm like go half and half now.

2966
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:45,720
Speaker 2: Look wine is fucking goot.

2967
02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:47,360
Speaker 4: A little little heat on it? Right, Yeah, I'll put

2968
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:49,720
Speaker 4: a little sweet heat on it. Absolutely, I did like

2969
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:50,839
Speaker 4: the sweet heat vibe.

2970
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:52,800
Speaker 3: You want to know where you get that pizza at?

2971
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:56,120
Speaker 3: Go Ahead Midnight Oil. So if a fifty first, no free,

2972
02:03:56,120 --> 02:03:58,000
Speaker 3: shout us to Midnight Oil. But you go to Midnight

2973
02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:59,960
Speaker 3: Oil and you order a sweet heat pizza pizza from

2974
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:01,760
Speaker 3: and I don't like that. Let him know the boy

2975
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:04,200
Speaker 3: sent you. Okay, a little something in.

2976
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:06,960
Speaker 1: There once you know I sent me and I wanted

2977
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:08,120
Speaker 1: to just sweet hate pizza.

2978
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:12,200
Speaker 2: Please, it's it's phenomenal. Really, are you here until tomorrow? Bad?

2979
02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:17,400
Speaker 2: Leave tonight? What time? Uh ship a little bit? Yeah,

2980
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:18,040
Speaker 2: something like that.

2981
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, is this one of those show at seven

2982
02:04:20,120 --> 02:04:21,959
Speaker 1: thirty things? Are we getting there a couple of hours early.

2983
02:04:23,200 --> 02:04:24,160
Speaker 2: To my flight? Yeah?

2984
02:04:24,160 --> 02:04:25,400
Speaker 7: No, I don't get or I don't go to the

2985
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:27,640
Speaker 7: airport early. Who does that? I'm not a But here's

2986
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:30,200
Speaker 7: what we're trying to ask. Driving there to fly out

2987
02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:32,400
Speaker 7: at seven thirty? Are you getting there at an hour

2988
02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:33,240
Speaker 7: hour and a half before?

2989
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:35,600
Speaker 2: But we're going through TSA. Are we're not going to tsay? Oh,

2990
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:36,600
Speaker 2: I see what you're asking.

2991
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:38,920
Speaker 4: I see what you're asking you guys flew me down

2992
02:04:39,160 --> 02:04:41,120
Speaker 4: like I'm like this this trip was not on me.

2993
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:43,520
Speaker 7: Oh, he's right now, you know what he is, right,

2994
02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:46,200
Speaker 7: bar barstol Fleet, you're our first.

2995
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:48,280
Speaker 3: Guest that we've flown down to be on us. Yeah,

2996
02:04:48,280 --> 02:04:50,800
Speaker 3: we've just started kind of doing that. You should ask

2997
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:52,240
Speaker 3: for some money, probably would have gave it to you.

2998
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just my pleasure to be on the show.

2999
02:04:54,640 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 6: Man.

3000
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:57,320
Speaker 2: I love that your show. No, I don't. I don't

3001
02:04:57,320 --> 02:04:59,800
Speaker 2: think I'm not a I'm not. I'm not that level it. Guys,

3002
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,840
Speaker 2: you don't like barbecue chicken pizza. I don't like what

3003
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:04,760
Speaker 2: we're talking about. Are we're not talking about we're not

3004
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 2: talking about.

3005
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:08,800
Speaker 1: Talking about private jets? Yes, I last start too extreme

3006
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:10,840
Speaker 1: right now to be doing that. I don't think barbecue

3007
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:13,360
Speaker 1: pizza is trash. I just don't order it or I

3008
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:15,240
Speaker 1: don like. To me, it's like, what are we doing?

3009
02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:18,360
Speaker 1: I felt that way about Supreme. It's really just staple.

3010
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:20,600
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like, all the extra shit on

3011
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,000
Speaker 1: it yours and I said it was solid.

3012
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:26,800
Speaker 3: You have Barbie Chicken, any Barbie CHICKI Chicken in the

3013
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:27,960
Speaker 3: back there, Chicken b Ranch.

3014
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:32,000
Speaker 2: It's number one by far, Like it's not even fucking

3015
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:37,640
Speaker 2: close that Hobbin Aero cream Pie. Holy fuck dude.

3016
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:39,760
Speaker 1: Yes see, that's where it kind of throws me off

3017
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:41,920
Speaker 1: when he start talking aboutizzas, because there's like that's like

3018
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:45,160
Speaker 1: a gourmet pizza, like five points is like Jack Brown's

3019
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:47,240
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways with the burgers, Like you

3020
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 1: can't like just go like if I were to say

3021
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:52,040
Speaker 1: to you, guys are like jalapenos, but the seeds carved

3022
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:55,160
Speaker 1: out with cream cheese on on it. Also, it just

3023
02:05:55,160 --> 02:05:57,839
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to be able to explain that pizza.

3024
02:05:57,880 --> 02:05:58,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

3025
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:01,280
Speaker 3: I thought JJ's gonna explain something. Did I think he did?

3026
02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:03,320
Speaker 3: I still we need an interpret to figure out what

3027
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:05,440
Speaker 3: you said? Yeah, what was the Yeah you said a

3028
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:06,240
Speaker 3: little bit of stage.

3029
02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:07,320
Speaker 2: And that's where I was like, you.

3030
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:09,720
Speaker 4: Guys have had like a fried sage leaf before, like

3031
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:11,800
Speaker 4: a little bit of little fried sage leaf on the

3032
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:13,400
Speaker 4: sausage in ricotta pizza.

3033
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:16,040
Speaker 2: That does sound like white sauce. Like I look like

3034
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:20,040
Speaker 2: a guy that had fried stage on my pizza in

3035
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:24,440
Speaker 2: your life? You've never had fried sage? Did you have

3036
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:27,240
Speaker 2: when you grew up? Fried stage? It's seven bucks?

3037
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:31,000
Speaker 3: Is chicken expensive? It sounds expensive. It just sounds expensive

3038
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:33,960
Speaker 3: to me, Like he's a very expensive place.

3039
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:36,640
Speaker 2: Is it is? It must have been nice? But what

3040
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:40,000
Speaker 2: was that? Why don't you move down in Nashville? What's up? Sorry?

3041
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:41,960
Speaker 2: I go do what's question first? Well again, what was

3042
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:45,480
Speaker 2: the dry I get you explained? What what about it?

3043
02:06:45,600 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 2: What was what were the toppings? What? Ricotta? Cheese, sausage

3044
02:06:50,160 --> 02:06:52,160
Speaker 2: and fried sage? See?

3045
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:54,640
Speaker 3: I think table combo. It sounds like it's like a

3046
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:58,440
Speaker 3: tasty pizza, for sure. But if we're just like ranking

3047
02:06:58,440 --> 02:07:02,880
Speaker 3: our pizzas, dude, and you're saying sage and racanon sausage.

3048
02:07:02,640 --> 02:07:05,560
Speaker 4: I actually the best thing I heard from both of

3049
02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:07,840
Speaker 4: you was just a classic Neapolitan cheese pizza.

3050
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:10,120
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think that's well that's.

3051
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:12,040
Speaker 1: Because I said garnish too. Did you hear I started

3052
02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:16,000
Speaker 1: sound fancy like you, I said garnish. So basically, what

3053
02:07:16,080 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 1: you just fucking said with all those fancy words is

3054
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:21,280
Speaker 1: a sausage pizza with a little bit of age keys

3055
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:23,040
Speaker 1: A sausage pizza. Toasted me that green ship on there

3056
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:24,520
Speaker 1: as was what you said to the person on the counter.

3057
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:28,960
Speaker 4: You like melow mushroom, though I do Melo pizza, I

3058
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:30,040
Speaker 4: underrated pizza.

3059
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:33,280
Speaker 1: I went my daughter to a birthday party last week,

3060
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:36,520
Speaker 1: Chuck E Cheese. Don't fucking at me, dude, that Chuck

3061
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:39,320
Speaker 1: E Cheese is low key fire Peter Harper Pizza.

3062
02:07:39,360 --> 02:07:42,200
Speaker 3: For those of you in the West, chuck e Cheese

3063
02:07:42,240 --> 02:07:42,800
Speaker 3: in a long time.

3064
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:45,000
Speaker 2: So I'll when and I went.

3065
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:46,800
Speaker 4: That, When and I went there, it was the pretty

3066
02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:48,800
Speaker 4: money grown up so we couldn't go to Chuck e Cheese, that's.

3067
02:07:48,720 --> 02:07:53,120
Speaker 3: Crazy, that's cray. We got the fried stage though. Huh,

3068
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:58,000
Speaker 3: that's a lot of sausage and fried sage.

3069
02:07:58,080 --> 02:08:00,400
Speaker 2: He just said sausage and cheese pizza.

3070
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:02,480
Speaker 3: I know he did, but he's also he's also like,

3071
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:04,480
Speaker 3: the only thing you guys said good was the cheese pizza.

3072
02:08:04,520 --> 02:08:07,440
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, like, bro stop anything like you didn't

3073
02:08:07,480 --> 02:08:08,640
Speaker 3: react and I said sweet heat.

3074
02:08:09,200 --> 02:08:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah you did say that because I almost because when

3075
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:14,040
Speaker 1: you said that's well, I almost said, hey, we don't

3076
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:14,560
Speaker 1: react here.

3077
02:08:14,720 --> 02:08:16,640
Speaker 2: We don't react on the tier talk, do you know.

3078
02:08:16,920 --> 02:08:18,880
Speaker 2: I know, trying to keep it. That's why I was

3079
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 2: holding it in while he was going, well picture when

3080
02:08:20,720 --> 02:08:21,480
Speaker 2: he said the sweet heat.

3081
02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:24,360
Speaker 4: I'm pictured. There's a there's a place called Emily in Brooklyn.

3082
02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:27,160
Speaker 4: It makes a great burger as well as guy, No,

3083
02:08:27,160 --> 02:08:30,200
Speaker 4: it's kidding, good water's better up there, man, Like, what

3084
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:32,600
Speaker 4: do you want me to say the water's better for pizza?

3085
02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:33,920
Speaker 2: Why the bagels are so good?

3086
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:36,640
Speaker 4: And bagels, but Emily has like a like a sweet

3087
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:39,360
Speaker 4: heat pizza that basically is the description what you described.

3088
02:08:39,400 --> 02:08:41,040
Speaker 2: And they do a little MIC's hot honey on the

3089
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:42,840
Speaker 2: top and you've had it and I've had it. Fire,

3090
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:44,680
Speaker 2: it's fire. It's a good pizza.

3091
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:47,080
Speaker 3: You just don't I think you don't agree with pineapple

3092
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:47,560
Speaker 3: and pizza.

3093
02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:51,360
Speaker 4: No it sus I don't wake up, you know, well,

3094
02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:53,600
Speaker 4: who's the morning and be like I'm the things. I

3095
02:08:53,600 --> 02:08:55,600
Speaker 4: can't waitant people tonight and I want to put pineapple

3096
02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:56,920
Speaker 4: on it. Like that's just a weird thing to me.

3097
02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:59,680
Speaker 4: It's that mush mushrooms. Like I eat everything, but mushrooms.

3098
02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:02,080
Speaker 4: I can't. I can't touch. I can't touch mushrooms.

3099
02:09:02,120 --> 02:09:02,520
Speaker 2: Not for me.

3100
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:09,120
Speaker 4: Now Italian truffles, I could hear.

3101
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 2: Whiplash. I'm turning looking at you so fast, dude.

3102
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:15,480
Speaker 1: What was the second pizza you say, because you were

3103
02:09:15,560 --> 02:09:17,080
Speaker 1: kind of did it run like a run on sentence

3104
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:18,360
Speaker 1: for the last special?

3105
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:22,480
Speaker 2: Huh, twins special. It's just simple pepperoni, white onion, green pepper.

3106
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:25,080
Speaker 2: We just got to start naming our shit cool so

3107
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:25,760
Speaker 2: it sounds better.

3108
02:09:25,880 --> 02:09:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said white onion, like when he said when

3109
02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:29,680
Speaker 1: he said the way when you I'm saying even out there.

3110
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:31,600
Speaker 1: When he was talking like that, I legit thought to myself,

3111
02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:33,520
Speaker 1: like we picked the wrong category.

3112
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:36,040
Speaker 2: We're about to say sausage and ship. You know, we're

3113
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:37,800
Speaker 2: about to say basic ship. I believed in what I

3114
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:39,720
Speaker 2: was about to say. I stay, I stay in tantoed down.

3115
02:09:39,960 --> 02:09:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he said twins pizza, he said ricotta. He

3116
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:45,120
Speaker 1: used the word ricotta, stayed cheese.

3117
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:47,120
Speaker 2: And what's crazy is he been thinking about that since

3118
02:09:47,200 --> 02:09:50,720
Speaker 2: last night. Yeah, he's a homework guy. He's got fifteen

3119
02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:53,720
Speaker 2: pages on both of us. Forgot where I was from Instnia.

3120
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:55,800
Speaker 4: I the only reason I thought of all those pizzas

3121
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:57,440
Speaker 4: because when I saw the toppings, I was like.

3122
02:09:57,360 --> 02:09:58,960
Speaker 2: Oh shall it's not on there? Can I ask you

3123
02:09:59,000 --> 02:09:59,400
Speaker 2: a hard hit?

3124
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:02,360
Speaker 4: Went back to the catalog in my brain. Can I

3125
02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:04,640
Speaker 4: ask you a hard hitting basketball question? Who's the greatest

3126
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:05,120
Speaker 4: of all time?

3127
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:11,760
Speaker 2: Man? Who's the goat? I like that second part question

3128
02:10:12,040 --> 02:10:18,120
Speaker 2: was Michael Jordan narcissist. I think it's like it's one A,

3129
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:19,840
Speaker 2: one B to me. I don't I don't. I don't

3130
02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:20,560
Speaker 2: like that answer.

3131
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:24,840
Speaker 1: I want you to take a strong one A Who's Ah.

3132
02:10:25,800 --> 02:10:29,320
Speaker 4: It's weird because Jordan is who I like, grew up watching,

3133
02:10:31,600 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 4: but then Lebron is who I played against, and it's

3134
02:10:35,640 --> 02:10:38,760
Speaker 4: hard for me to like pick either one. Kyle Korver

3135
02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:42,480
Speaker 4: once said to me, he's like, you know, like MJ.

3136
02:10:42,920 --> 02:10:45,800
Speaker 4: I know the accompliment. Accomplishments are great, but like MJ

3137
02:10:45,880 --> 02:10:49,080
Speaker 4: had to take two years off. So like the discredit

3138
02:10:49,200 --> 02:10:52,720
Speaker 4: Lebron gets for making eight straight finals, I think is

3139
02:10:52,800 --> 02:10:56,680
Speaker 4: kind of insane. So I'm I had to say it.

3140
02:10:56,960 --> 02:10:59,760
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say Jordan one A that.

3141
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:01,600
Speaker 2: Was your say answer because if you would have said Lebron,

3142
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:05,200
Speaker 2: you'd got torched. Jordan is Jordan? Okay, Lebron's your two?

3143
02:11:05,480 --> 02:11:09,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah? What about Kobe? Great player? Great player?

3144
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:10,840
Speaker 2: Oh you know what.

3145
02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:14,000
Speaker 4: Here's the here's the other thing I've learned, especially in

3146
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,560
Speaker 4: the last year, is the you guys know what a

3147
02:11:16,600 --> 02:11:20,560
Speaker 4: stand is, right, yes, yes, okay, eminent callback.

3148
02:11:21,880 --> 02:11:23,720
Speaker 2: The song is incredible, too, incredible song.

3149
02:11:24,720 --> 02:11:30,200
Speaker 4: What I've realized is that certain players stands are fucking insane.

3150
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:34,680
Speaker 4: On social media, and I said a bunch of nice

3151
02:11:34,720 --> 02:11:38,600
Speaker 4: things about Steph Curry the other day, And but the

3152
02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:41,160
Speaker 4: question was who do you want in the clutch? More

3153
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:43,160
Speaker 4: Luca or Staph. I saw that, but I said in

3154
02:11:43,160 --> 02:11:46,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, I said Luca. And the amount of

3155
02:11:46,160 --> 02:11:48,160
Speaker 4: hate that I got from the Steph stands.

3156
02:11:48,160 --> 02:11:50,920
Speaker 2: Do you think he deserved it? A little bit? Greatest

3157
02:11:50,920 --> 02:11:51,680
Speaker 2: shooter of all time?

3158
02:11:52,760 --> 02:11:55,120
Speaker 4: Again, that wasn't the question, though, game in the line,

3159
02:11:55,120 --> 02:11:56,120
Speaker 4: who do you want the ball in their hands?

3160
02:11:56,160 --> 02:11:59,360
Speaker 2: The question, yeah, exactly, And I said, Luca, who do

3161
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:01,920
Speaker 2: you want with the ball? But why diys?

3162
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:04,680
Speaker 1: But if he if my man can just pull up

3163
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:07,960
Speaker 1: at the logo and splash that thing and no problem,

3164
02:12:08,680 --> 02:12:13,440
Speaker 1: then we don't need size. Oh I sound like a

3165
02:12:13,480 --> 02:12:18,080
Speaker 1: basketball right now. Luca is big, he's a dominant player.

3166
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:21,400
Speaker 1: He can't shoot like Steph. Everyone knows that no one

3167
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:23,600
Speaker 1: can shoot like stuff. Okay, so why wouldn't you put

3168
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:24,720
Speaker 1: Do you need a basket?

3169
02:12:24,800 --> 02:12:24,920
Speaker 2: Right?

3170
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:26,680
Speaker 4: The whole concept of basketball is to put the ball

3171
02:12:26,680 --> 02:12:28,640
Speaker 4: in the hoop. The issue more is like how you

3172
02:12:28,680 --> 02:12:29,600
Speaker 4: go get the basket?

3173
02:12:29,680 --> 02:12:30,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

3174
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:33,360
Speaker 4: Like so when I think about like watch, I think

3175
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:38,800
Speaker 4: I look at statistics because they track those about your honis.

3176
02:12:37,800 --> 02:12:40,840
Speaker 2: The best player in the world right now, you'd rather

3177
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:42,760
Speaker 2: have Luca over him too.

3178
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:46,280
Speaker 4: No, the question was the question that I got asked,

3179
02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:48,040
Speaker 4: was Luc or Steph, Well and bust one of the boys.

3180
02:12:48,040 --> 02:12:52,720
Speaker 4: We like to throw in wrenches, you know what. There's

3181
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:54,400
Speaker 4: like ten guys I'd like to have in the clutch

3182
02:12:54,440 --> 02:12:55,280
Speaker 4: with the ball in their hands.

3183
02:12:56,720 --> 02:12:58,520
Speaker 2: All right, but go on to me about Luca. Sorry,

3184
02:12:58,560 --> 02:12:59,720
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to throw you in there.

3185
02:12:59,800 --> 02:13:01,560
Speaker 4: What I was when I think about, like, who do

3186
02:13:01,600 --> 02:13:03,720
Speaker 4: I want to have the ball in their hands in

3187
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:08,840
Speaker 4: the clutch, It's guys like Luca's, guys like Lebron who

3188
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:13,160
Speaker 4: have size, because they're going to create a shot, whether

3189
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:16,080
Speaker 4: that's against the double team, whether that's one on one,

3190
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:19,360
Speaker 4: they're going to create a shot. There's nothing wrong with

3191
02:13:19,400 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 4: saying Steph in that answer, by the way, and he's

3192
02:13:21,240 --> 02:13:23,760
Speaker 4: made a ton of clutch shots. I was basing some

3193
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:26,320
Speaker 4: of it on just this past season. Steph was ten

3194
02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:28,120
Speaker 4: for fifty one from three in the clutch this season.

3195
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:31,280
Speaker 4: So like, some of that is recency bias, which is

3196
02:13:31,320 --> 02:13:33,080
Speaker 4: another thing I've learned in the media. We all have

3197
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:35,520
Speaker 4: versus of the moment. I like to describe stephen A

3198
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:37,600
Speaker 4: as that. It's another phrase that I see that I

3199
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:39,520
Speaker 4: use Yeah, yeah, it sucks.

3200
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:41,360
Speaker 2: It sucks. I can't imagine.

3201
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:43,400
Speaker 4: I can't imagine getting the point where like, you have

3202
02:13:43,480 --> 02:13:45,920
Speaker 4: a show every day and you're like, man, I got

3203
02:13:46,040 --> 02:13:49,640
Speaker 4: to fill two fucking hours with the same take, but

3204
02:13:49,720 --> 02:13:50,560
Speaker 4: in a different way.

3205
02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:53,320
Speaker 2: That's tough. I like to pop in and pop out.

3206
02:13:53,400 --> 02:13:53,600
Speaker 2: You know.

3207
02:13:54,120 --> 02:13:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved what you love the clapping back you

3208
02:13:56,880 --> 02:13:59,440
Speaker 3: were doing on a mad Dog. I think every young

3209
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:03,920
Speaker 3: generation an athlete, young generation person was fairly hype about that.

3210
02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:09,360
Speaker 4: The one thing I'll say, and this is not in

3211
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:12,960
Speaker 4: sort of any direction towards Matt Dog. The one thing

3212
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:15,640
Speaker 4: I say is like I and I'm sure you guys

3213
02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:19,040
Speaker 4: have seen this too. I have witnessed and lived both

3214
02:14:19,080 --> 02:14:23,000
Speaker 4: in my own personal experience and my peers experience a

3215
02:14:23,080 --> 02:14:28,640
Speaker 4: lot of tired narratives around athletes. And you know, I

3216
02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:33,120
Speaker 4: remember going through the lockout and seeing articles written about athletes,

3217
02:14:34,720 --> 02:14:38,120
Speaker 4: and I'm like, why, why is everybody siding with the

3218
02:14:38,160 --> 02:14:43,120
Speaker 4: billionaire owners and not the athletes. It's there's something about

3219
02:14:43,880 --> 02:14:47,200
Speaker 4: athletes that people think we're entitled, that people think we're

3220
02:14:47,240 --> 02:14:50,920
Speaker 4: our only value is to entertain you on a basketball

3221
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:53,760
Speaker 4: court or a football field, that we're not allowed to

3222
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:56,440
Speaker 4: be intelligent and speak our mind or speak an opinion,

3223
02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:58,600
Speaker 4: or to protest or whatever it is.

3224
02:14:59,640 --> 02:15:04,000
Speaker 2: And it's so dehumanizing and so demeaning, and a lot of.

3225
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:07,640
Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff that has gone viral on

3226
02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:11,160
Speaker 4: first take has been in a direct response to some

3227
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:14,920
Speaker 4: of those narratives. And that's one example of it. But

3228
02:15:15,640 --> 02:15:18,480
Speaker 4: you know the other part of it, I don't really

3229
02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:21,480
Speaker 4: want to talk about. Sure, the undertone I don't want

3230
02:15:21,480 --> 02:15:24,040
Speaker 4: to talk about, but you know, so much of that

3231
02:15:24,200 --> 02:15:26,920
Speaker 4: is like, hold on a second, Like the narrative is wrong,

3232
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:28,000
Speaker 4: the narrative is tired.

3233
02:15:28,680 --> 02:15:31,000
Speaker 2: Let's let's start a new narrative that makes sense.

3234
02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, I do want to ask before I know, we've.

3235
02:15:36,360 --> 02:15:37,720
Speaker 2: Been We've had a long pot and we got to

3236
02:15:37,720 --> 02:15:37,920
Speaker 2: play it.

3237
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:42,600
Speaker 9: In the game of pig, is is coach Is Coach

3238
02:15:42,680 --> 02:15:46,360
Speaker 9: K a psycho from the outside When you watch a

3239
02:15:46,440 --> 02:15:48,880
Speaker 9: lot of situations unfold, it seems like a lot of

3240
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:51,320
Speaker 9: things that he does seems very calculated.

3241
02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:55,720
Speaker 3: Huh and uh, And yes, I'm wondering it's like, is

3242
02:15:55,760 --> 02:15:56,200
Speaker 3: coach K?

3243
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:00,960
Speaker 4: But I guess I guess when you because my version

3244
02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:03,560
Speaker 4: of a psycho, my definition of a psycho. I I

3245
02:16:03,600 --> 02:16:08,840
Speaker 4: also use the word sicko interchangeably about when I talk

3246
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:09,680
Speaker 4: about people.

3247
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:12,880
Speaker 2: Gotcha, and like, what's your sort of definition?

3248
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:16,680
Speaker 1: Psycho is pretty hardcore, over the top, very much, brilliant,

3249
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:21,080
Speaker 1: demonstrative on players. Hardcore makes you feel less than a

3250
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:24,200
Speaker 1: lot of the time, stassistic, narcissistic.

3251
02:16:23,600 --> 02:16:28,920
Speaker 3: Understand manipulative game that he can do with players. I mean,

3252
02:16:28,920 --> 02:16:30,560
Speaker 3: you've played for him, there's been a lot.

3253
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:35,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I don't. I think I think manipulative is

3254
02:16:35,240 --> 02:16:37,840
Speaker 2: the wrong word. I think.

3255
02:16:39,400 --> 02:16:43,240
Speaker 4: The word you use about calculative, I think that's probably

3256
02:16:43,240 --> 02:16:44,040
Speaker 4: more appropriate.

3257
02:16:45,080 --> 02:16:45,360
Speaker 2: I don't.

3258
02:16:45,400 --> 02:16:47,720
Speaker 4: He's definitely not, definitely not a narcissist. He's definitely not

3259
02:16:47,720 --> 02:16:50,800
Speaker 4: a psycho in sort of the traditional sense. He is

3260
02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:55,760
Speaker 4: very intense and he's very demanding, but he's a truth teller.

3261
02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:57,800
Speaker 2: He is always a truth teller.

3262
02:16:58,520 --> 02:17:01,920
Speaker 4: And you know, my four years with him, I say

3263
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:04,280
Speaker 4: this sincerely, my four years with him, I never saw

3264
02:17:04,360 --> 02:17:07,600
Speaker 4: him have a bad day, like not at what he's on.

3265
02:17:08,120 --> 02:17:11,480
Speaker 4: He's on every day we get back from Virginia Tech

3266
02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:14,080
Speaker 4: on the bus at three am. He you know, we

3267
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:17,840
Speaker 4: lose meeting. You know, we're in there for an hour.

3268
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:20,400
Speaker 4: We got practice the next day. He's on the bike

3269
02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:23,680
Speaker 4: at six am. He comes to practice, energize, ready to go,

3270
02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:25,840
Speaker 4: ready to coach. He's like that with every team he's

3271
02:17:25,879 --> 02:17:29,080
Speaker 4: ever been on. He's so invested in and takes such

3272
02:17:29,120 --> 02:17:32,640
Speaker 4: ownership you know, or did take such ownership of being

3273
02:17:32,640 --> 02:17:36,320
Speaker 4: a coach, being a duke basketball coach, like that program.

3274
02:17:36,560 --> 02:17:41,000
Speaker 4: He's phenomenal. And I get to a degree when someone

3275
02:17:41,080 --> 02:17:44,360
Speaker 4: sees him motherfucking a raft or motherfucking a nineteen year old,

3276
02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:45,920
Speaker 4: Like I get why people are like, oh.

3277
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:46,959
Speaker 2: He's he's a psycho.

3278
02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:50,600
Speaker 4: He's a psycho, But like I actually would say, all

3279
02:17:50,680 --> 02:17:53,440
Speaker 4: the good shit that said about him is true. And

3280
02:17:53,480 --> 02:17:57,920
Speaker 4: then so like he's my dad is the greatest man

3281
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:00,400
Speaker 4: that I've ever known. I didn't have to look far

3282
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:03,840
Speaker 4: for a role model. Coach is the second. Like, coach

3283
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:04,760
Speaker 4: is phenomenal.

3284
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:07,080
Speaker 2: And I.

3285
02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:10,960
Speaker 4: Became friends with him my junior year and we've been

3286
02:18:10,959 --> 02:18:15,200
Speaker 4: friends now for whatever that is, seventeen years. He's like

3287
02:18:15,240 --> 02:18:17,720
Speaker 4: such an important part of my life and it has

3288
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:21,000
Speaker 4: been for you know, since two thousand when I committed,

3289
02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:22,400
Speaker 4: Like he's just he's the man.

3290
02:18:22,680 --> 02:18:23,520
Speaker 2: I love that dude.

3291
02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:26,960
Speaker 1: After your little stint your sophomore year when you were

3292
02:18:27,640 --> 02:18:29,600
Speaker 1: brought back and put on a big schedule. Did you

3293
02:18:29,640 --> 02:18:32,120
Speaker 1: and him ever talk about it, like reminisced maybe a

3294
02:18:32,160 --> 02:18:33,800
Speaker 1: couple of years ago about it, like, hey, you were

3295
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:36,280
Speaker 1: I was worried about you there for a second. Do

3296
02:18:36,320 --> 02:18:37,680
Speaker 1: you ever give you that he didn't know if you're

3297
02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:38,160
Speaker 1: going to make it.

3298
02:18:38,200 --> 02:18:39,920
Speaker 4: We talked a little bit about it when he came

3299
02:18:39,959 --> 02:18:42,240
Speaker 4: on the podcast in the fall of twenty twenty. But

3300
02:18:42,360 --> 02:18:46,720
Speaker 4: actually the moment we became friends and the moment that

3301
02:18:46,800 --> 02:18:50,480
Speaker 4: I felt like he wasn't just my coach was that

3302
02:18:50,680 --> 02:18:53,920
Speaker 4: following spring we lost in the sweet sixteen to Michigan

3303
02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:55,840
Speaker 4: State in Austin War School.

3304
02:18:56,320 --> 02:18:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3305
02:18:56,760 --> 02:19:01,920
Speaker 4: Terrible, And you know I had I'd gone through all

3306
02:19:01,959 --> 02:19:05,160
Speaker 4: that my sophomore year and then I, you know, got

3307
02:19:05,240 --> 02:19:08,040
Speaker 4: ACC Player of the Year, ACC Tournament, Tournament, m v P,

3308
02:19:08,440 --> 02:19:10,879
Speaker 4: First Team All American, I got one of the national

3309
02:19:10,920 --> 02:19:12,720
Speaker 4: Player of the Year awards, I got the Rough Award,

3310
02:19:13,520 --> 02:19:15,560
Speaker 4: and we yeah, let's give it.

3311
02:19:17,560 --> 02:19:17,680
Speaker 2: Now.

3312
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:21,600
Speaker 4: Context context matters, Yeah, no doubt, high point, no doubt.

3313
02:19:22,879 --> 02:19:23,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

3314
02:19:23,560 --> 02:19:27,240
Speaker 4: So he called he called me into where we we

3315
02:19:27,360 --> 02:19:29,920
Speaker 4: lose at the arena. We're all emotional, I'm crying, and

3316
02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:31,320
Speaker 4: we'll get on the bus. He's like, hey, come to

3317
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:33,280
Speaker 4: my hotel room. We'll get back to the hotel and

3318
02:19:33,320 --> 02:19:35,320
Speaker 4: we went in there and we basically talked about that.

3319
02:19:35,360 --> 02:19:38,879
Speaker 4: We talked about that day in May of two thousand

3320
02:19:38,879 --> 02:19:40,600
Speaker 4: and four when he dragged me, when they dragged me

3321
02:19:40,640 --> 02:19:43,600
Speaker 4: to the office. Talked about that summer, everything I'd done,

3322
02:19:43,680 --> 02:19:45,680
Speaker 4: We talked about the season. He talked about how proud

3323
02:19:45,720 --> 02:19:49,720
Speaker 4: he was of me, like I was a lifer at

3324
02:19:49,720 --> 02:19:52,440
Speaker 4: that point, like I was a coach klifer. He was,

3325
02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:55,720
Speaker 4: he was a friend from that point on. Yeah, that

3326
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:56,400
Speaker 4: is awesome.

3327
02:19:56,920 --> 02:19:59,879
Speaker 3: And then one last thing, another one last thing, they

3328
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:03,200
Speaker 3: gambling story of you almost coming to blows with one

3329
02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:06,120
Speaker 3: of your teammates. Yeah, I heard you said it was

3330
02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:08,440
Speaker 3: one of the closest times. Uh yeah, I mean I

3331
02:20:08,520 --> 02:20:09,879
Speaker 3: ever came up fighting a teammate.

3332
02:20:09,959 --> 02:20:12,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I've got I've gotten hit by teammates before,

3333
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:15,400
Speaker 7: Like you've gotten punched by teammate, Yeah, he did.

3334
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:16,480
Speaker 2: Turculu used to hit me.

3335
02:20:16,600 --> 02:20:18,960
Speaker 4: He hit me a couple of times, a couple of

3336
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:21,000
Speaker 4: times when I was like a rookie, and then once

3337
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:22,600
Speaker 4: again my like my third year, he just like to

3338
02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:23,120
Speaker 4: fuck with me.

3339
02:20:23,200 --> 02:20:26,440
Speaker 2: But I like when he got into.

3340
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,760
Speaker 4: A little strap with Carlos Arroyo, me and Brian Cook

3341
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:31,040
Speaker 4: got into it one time. Like I never like came

3342
02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:33,400
Speaker 4: to blows with a guy in practice, but like I

3343
02:20:33,440 --> 02:20:35,400
Speaker 4: was trying to fight find a place in the leade

3344
02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:36,320
Speaker 4: like in the league.

3345
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:39,880
Speaker 2: So I was just scrappy in practice.

3346
02:20:39,879 --> 02:20:42,040
Speaker 4: And if you're a vet, like in his shoot around,

3347
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:44,880
Speaker 4: I that's one of the times turkleu elbowed me in

3348
02:20:44,920 --> 02:20:47,680
Speaker 4: the in the eye and gave me a black eye.

3349
02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:50,039
Speaker 4: He's just like I was playing too hard a post

3350
02:20:50,040 --> 02:20:52,240
Speaker 4: defense when we were we weren't walking through plays. We

3351
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:54,440
Speaker 4: were running through plays, and he just turns and he

3352
02:20:54,520 --> 02:20:56,200
Speaker 4: like noticed it was me and he caught me in

3353
02:20:56,200 --> 02:21:01,000
Speaker 4: the elbow. Got with an elbow. The Justin Anderson story basically,

3354
02:21:01,959 --> 02:21:03,200
Speaker 4: everybody in the NBA plays Blu Ray.

3355
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:05,080
Speaker 2: Do you guys play bou Ray? In the Okay? Everybody

3356
02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:05,760
Speaker 2: plays Blue Ray.

3357
02:21:06,360 --> 02:21:08,800
Speaker 4: So there's a there's a player's cabin on we used

3358
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:11,080
Speaker 4: Delta charter flights. In the player's cabin there's always a

3359
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:14,200
Speaker 4: table and then there's a bunch of other seats. So

3360
02:21:14,280 --> 02:21:18,440
Speaker 4: the table is four card games and so playing bou Ray.

3361
02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:22,440
Speaker 4: And there had been some tension building between Justin Anderson

3362
02:21:22,480 --> 02:21:25,920
Speaker 4: and another teammate of mine. They were going back and forth.

3363
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:29,600
Speaker 4: They sat next to each other, so their actions directly

3364
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:32,840
Speaker 4: affected the other player's actions, right, whether or not the

3365
02:21:32,840 --> 02:21:34,400
Speaker 4: guy stayed in the game, whether or not a guy

3366
02:21:34,480 --> 02:21:36,520
Speaker 4: went for a boo or didn't go for boot like,

3367
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:40,000
Speaker 4: it all affected each other. So they were kind of

3368
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:43,480
Speaker 4: mouthing off, and Justin wanted a pretty big hand to

3369
02:21:43,560 --> 02:21:46,920
Speaker 4: not count because he felt like there was a discrepancy

3370
02:21:47,080 --> 02:21:49,680
Speaker 4: in how that particular hand had been played.

3371
02:21:50,480 --> 02:21:54,680
Speaker 2: And we had been drinking as well.

3372
02:21:54,879 --> 02:21:57,920
Speaker 4: There had been some wine on the flight, and so

3373
02:21:58,120 --> 02:22:02,960
Speaker 4: there was Amir Johnson, Me, Jared Bayliss, Justin Anderson diagonal

3374
02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:05,120
Speaker 4: to me, and then there wasn't a fifth seat, so

3375
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:07,959
Speaker 4: Joel would sit on the arm rest in the aisle.

3376
02:22:08,280 --> 02:22:09,760
Speaker 2: Joel and Vieu was sit on the arm rest in

3377
02:22:09,800 --> 02:22:11,720
Speaker 2: the aisle, and UH.

3378
02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:16,959
Speaker 4: Basically got to the point where their bullshit was sabotaging

3379
02:22:17,320 --> 02:22:19,400
Speaker 4: the general flow and enjoyment of the car.

3380
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:21,640
Speaker 2: It was ruining the night. It was ruining the night.

3381
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:22,400
Speaker 2: Thank you.

3382
02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:25,880
Speaker 4: So I got a little vocal and then he got

3383
02:22:25,959 --> 02:22:28,680
Speaker 4: vocal back with me, and then I said, you're a

3384
02:22:28,760 --> 02:22:31,000
Speaker 4: little bitch, And he said, what did you say? And

3385
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:34,120
Speaker 4: I said, you're a little bit. I doubled down, and

3386
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:36,600
Speaker 4: I'm not proud of this. Like I just said, I

3387
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:38,200
Speaker 4: said you're a bitch, and he said, what did you say?

3388
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:39,959
Speaker 4: I said, I said, you heard me. I said you're

3389
02:22:39,959 --> 02:22:42,760
Speaker 4: a bitch. And then he like stood up on the

3390
02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:47,000
Speaker 4: table and like, you know, almost swung on me. Joel

3391
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:50,119
Speaker 4: luckily like grabbed him, and then all these flight attendants

3392
02:22:50,320 --> 02:22:52,160
Speaker 4: that were on the plane like came. I don't know

3393
02:22:52,200 --> 02:22:55,080
Speaker 4: why they broke up this stuffle, but they broke it up.

3394
02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:58,200
Speaker 4: Had he swung on me, like I'm sitting down, he's

3395
02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:01,680
Speaker 4: standing up on a table six two thirty, But I

3396
02:23:01,720 --> 02:23:03,720
Speaker 4: want to know, I will run by the ankles, dude,

3397
02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:06,240
Speaker 4: give him a task. I would have lost. Dude, those

3398
02:23:06,440 --> 02:23:09,400
Speaker 4: the tables are like here, like there's no leverage. I

3399
02:23:09,440 --> 02:23:11,600
Speaker 4: was stuck. I was stuck. I would have lost.

3400
02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:14,759
Speaker 2: You're a little bitch, dude.

3401
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:17,360
Speaker 1: You gotta think if you're really gonna fight somebody, well

3402
02:23:17,400 --> 02:23:18,800
Speaker 1: he's taking the time to get up on that table.

3403
02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:20,520
Speaker 2: You gotta make a move. Yeah, you know if you're

3404
02:23:20,520 --> 02:23:21,200
Speaker 2: gonna win that fight.

3405
02:23:21,480 --> 02:23:24,600
Speaker 4: The flight attendants they obviously fly with all the other teams.

3406
02:23:24,760 --> 02:23:27,200
Speaker 4: The word got around that that had happened, so I

3407
02:23:27,240 --> 02:23:29,039
Speaker 4: had a bunch of text from buddies around the league

3408
02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:31,720
Speaker 4: that I heard you guys got into a fight, you

3409
02:23:31,720 --> 02:23:32,160
Speaker 4: know whatever.

3410
02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:34,040
Speaker 3: I was like, no, there's nothing. It was nothing like

3411
02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:34,959
Speaker 3: what happened after you guys.

3412
02:23:34,959 --> 02:23:40,280
Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. I would have to ask him.

3413
02:23:40,480 --> 02:23:44,760
Speaker 2: Jay's my guy. We appreciate you.

3414
02:23:44,800 --> 02:23:48,000
Speaker 3: Going on, man, Thanks been unreal to your flight.

3415
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:53,040
Speaker 2: Hey Jack, is he doing the green screen? All right? Cool?

3416
02:23:53,480 --> 02:23:54,240
Speaker 2: Did I appreciate it?

3417
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:54,400
Speaker 5: Man?

3418
02:23:54,600 --> 02:23:58,280
Speaker 2: Anything else? Anybody got anything? You trying to hit that

3419
02:23:58,280 --> 02:24:03,800
Speaker 2: pig one on one pig? Uh No, I don't think so.

3420
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:04,880
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

3421
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:05,520
Speaker 2: He's scared.

3422
02:24:06,120 --> 02:24:08,440
Speaker 3: Is anybody better than you at the collegiate level of

3423
02:24:08,920 --> 02:24:09,680
Speaker 3: all time shooter?

3424
02:24:10,720 --> 02:24:12,240
Speaker 2: Steph? Really?

3425
02:24:12,280 --> 02:24:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Steph would have I mean, there's other guys

3426
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:18,800
Speaker 4: that have surpassed like the three point thing, but Steph

3427
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:20,680
Speaker 4: would have shattered it had he played one more year,

3428
02:24:20,879 --> 02:24:21,800
Speaker 4: he would have shattered it.

3429
02:24:24,480 --> 02:24:27,080
Speaker 2: I think I was. I don't know who I was

3430
02:24:27,080 --> 02:24:28,800
Speaker 2: having this conversation with. It was somebody the.

3431
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:32,040
Speaker 7: Other day, like I think why, I think why?

3432
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:35,600
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, oh it is omar omar from my

3433
02:24:35,720 --> 02:24:39,160
Speaker 4: house Highlights. Omar Omaraja is now his sports center. We

3434
02:24:39,160 --> 02:24:42,200
Speaker 4: were talking about this two days ago, and I was

3435
02:24:42,200 --> 02:24:45,720
Speaker 4: telling him, it's like part of the reason, like the

3436
02:24:46,480 --> 02:24:50,600
Speaker 4: Duke version of me is, you know, there's a legacy

3437
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:51,840
Speaker 4: to that. I think a little bit, even though I

3438
02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:54,400
Speaker 4: didn't win a championship, and oh, there definitely is. Yeah,

3439
02:24:54,400 --> 02:24:55,800
Speaker 4: there's a there's a little bit of like if you

3440
02:24:55,800 --> 02:24:57,640
Speaker 4: were growing up in that area you watch college basketball.

3441
02:24:57,680 --> 02:24:59,640
Speaker 4: But I think the reason is number one, because I

3442
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:01,840
Speaker 4: played for Duke, and like people hated Duke and there's

3443
02:25:01,879 --> 02:25:05,200
Speaker 4: divisiveness there. The second reason, though, is like my draft

3444
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:07,960
Speaker 4: class was the last draft class before the one and

3445
02:25:08,040 --> 02:25:10,840
Speaker 4: done era. So I feel like my time in college

3446
02:25:10,879 --> 02:25:13,400
Speaker 4: basketball was like the time in college basketball.

3447
02:25:12,959 --> 02:25:15,040
Speaker 2: That we all knew and we all grew up knowing.

3448
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:18,080
Speaker 4: Now with the one and done, it's just different, Like

3449
02:25:18,120 --> 02:25:21,160
Speaker 4: you don't have that attachment. Yeah, you're in and out.

3450
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:24,560
Speaker 4: Most people don't even pay attention to March Madness anyways.

3451
02:25:24,600 --> 02:25:26,440
Speaker 7: So now it's like back then, it was like you

3452
02:25:26,480 --> 02:25:29,280
Speaker 7: and Adam Morrison, yes, yeah, and you know, and then

3453
02:25:29,640 --> 02:25:30,560
Speaker 7: you and c was awesome.

3454
02:25:30,600 --> 02:25:32,560
Speaker 4: When I was there, they want to know five, you know,

3455
02:25:32,680 --> 02:25:35,200
Speaker 4: we had some great games with them, so and they

3456
02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:36,880
Speaker 4: were all upper class. When like all those guys left it,

3457
02:25:36,959 --> 02:25:38,440
Speaker 4: they were all my high school class, and they all

3458
02:25:38,480 --> 02:25:41,160
Speaker 4: left after their junior year. I decided to stay one

3459
02:25:41,160 --> 02:25:43,440
Speaker 4: more year. So I just think it was like part

3460
02:25:43,440 --> 02:25:45,080
Speaker 4: of part of it was like just the era we

3461
02:25:45,080 --> 02:25:48,119
Speaker 4: were in. It wasn't necessarily that like I did anything

3462
02:25:48,120 --> 02:25:51,400
Speaker 4: that was that much special relative to other great college

3463
02:25:51,400 --> 02:25:52,160
Speaker 4: basketball players.

3464
02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:54,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you're pretty good, so I was. I mean

3465
02:25:54,520 --> 02:25:57,119
Speaker 2: I was, you know, you were decent leventh overall pack.

3466
02:25:57,160 --> 02:25:57,960
Speaker 2: You're pretty solid.

3467
02:25:58,120 --> 02:25:58,400
Speaker 3: That was.

3468
02:25:58,480 --> 02:26:02,520
Speaker 2: That was good them, the Robbet