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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal here with as you can see, the master

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Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory universe, Scott Brown. We are not

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Speaker 1: with Alana Rizzo today for reasons that I will explain

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Speaker 1: later in the show. Good reasons, Scott. We've got a

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Speaker 1: ton to talk about as the Winter Meetings approach.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do, and I'm excited to see you briefly

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Speaker 2: at the Winter Meetings, running around covering the sport like

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Speaker 2: you do. But let's get into what's surfacing before that,

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Speaker 2: And Ken, I think we need to start with the

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Speaker 2: biggest name in terms of who should command the most

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Speaker 2: money this offseason. That's Kyle Tucker. And that's a little

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Speaker 2: visit to a fancy facility in duned and Florida. What

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Speaker 2: else do you know? And do you think that the

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Speaker 2: Blue Jays are serious candidates to be able to sign him?

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Speaker 1: Well, this was a stunning report by Robert Murray last

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Speaker 1: night about this visit by Tucker to the Jays training complex,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the best in Dned. It's a

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Speaker 1: selling point for the Blue Jays. Now, what's interesting about

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Speaker 1: this is that prior to last night, the Jay's interest

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Speaker 1: in Tucker was kind of rumored, but it was never

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Speaker 1: really confirmed or even seemed to be something that the

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Speaker 1: club was prioritizing. We know that they signed the two

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Speaker 1: starting pitchers, Dan Cease and Cody Ponce. We didn't know

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Speaker 1: exactly what they were doing on the position side, but

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Speaker 1: they had interest, perhaps in Tucker and certainly in resigning

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Speaker 1: Boba Schett. So this is a clear indication of their interest.

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Speaker 1: Whether it indicates that they're going to sign Tucker, that

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Speaker 1: remains to be seen. And let's not get carried away

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Speaker 1: with that idea. You remember Shoeo Tani a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago visiting the Jays training complex and Dunedin didn't sign.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of a normal thing for players to do.

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Speaker 1: And Kyle Tucker does live in Tampa, which is a

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't want to underplay this.

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Speaker 1: The Jays are acting like behemoths in this market, and

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Speaker 1: this meeting with Tucker that took place last night or yesterday,

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Speaker 1: whenever exactly it was, that's an indication that they are

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Speaker 1: thinking big. It also might be a message to Bobaschett,

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Speaker 1: hey come down a little bit in your price. They

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Speaker 1: are all kinds of possibilities here, but the fact of

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Speaker 1: the matter is he was into Needin at their complex

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Speaker 1: and that is news.

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Speaker 2: That is definitely news, and I will give credit. We

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Speaker 2: got to see this actually surface. If they signed Tucker

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Speaker 2: or if they signed back Bobachhett, payroll will.

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Speaker 1: Be high for the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: We certainly knock on this network teams when they cry

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Speaker 2: poor and don't spend. The Blue Jays just had a

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Speaker 2: banger postseason. I know they didn't win the World Series Ken,

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Speaker 2: but they clearly made a lot of money and it

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Speaker 2: seems like they're reinvesting back into the team. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: ish mill for their opening day payroll. It seems like

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Speaker 2: whether they get Tucker Bishett or someone else, they're going

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're going to open with a club record payroll

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Speaker 1: and it's right now. If they signed Tucker, likely will

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Speaker 1: be over three hundred million opening day, which is not

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Speaker 1: where the Jays have been. They've been a high payroll

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Speaker 1: team in the past at various points early nineties when

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Speaker 1: they were rolling. They had a big payroll back then,

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Speaker 1: at least relative to the other clubs. But this is

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Speaker 1: clearly an indication of their aggression and assertiveness in this

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Speaker 1: off season. And let's have some fun here, Scott and

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Speaker 1: look at a projected lineup with Kyle Tucker in it,

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Speaker 1: because it's kind of an awesome thing to just consider.

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Speaker 1: Here it is. You can see it right there, Springer

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Speaker 1: This is without Bobashed. I don't expect them to sign

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Speaker 1: And that is a powerhouse lineup, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that looks really good. And here's a team that's

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Speaker 2: going to be in a competitive division. Yankees always good.

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Speaker 2: Red Sox should be as good, if not better, this

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Speaker 2: So good to see the Blue Jays getting involved on

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Let's move to the team they lost to, and that's

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers, and I thought this stood out a ton

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Speaker 2: to me in your notes column this morning to Oscar

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Speaker 1: Well, what I reported along with Patrick Mooney today is

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Speaker 1: sound like it's terribly likely, but it's an intriguing thought

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Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. Yes, as you just mentioned Scott,

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Speaker 1: their defense was lacking last year, Tao was one of

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Speaker 1: course what else is he? He has been one of

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Speaker 1: their best hitters in the postseason the last two years,

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Speaker 1: hitters during the season as well. If you trade him

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Speaker 1: at a point when you already need an outfielder, Confordo

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Speaker 1: I'm not certainly going to do it. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear that his name has come up

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Speaker 1: because his contract it's complex, but it's relatively affordable. And

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Speaker 1: let's say the Dodgers could get an outfielder back and

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Speaker 1: I don't know that this means in any way that

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Speaker 1: they are going to be in the Kyle Tucker sweepstakes.

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Speaker 1: Just seems to me his price is going to exceed

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Speaker 1: perhaps this becomes a viable thing. I don't necessarily expect

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Speaker 1: and that to me was certainly interesting to hear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ken, My observation is that the Dodgers are in

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Speaker 2: a place where they have someone who is going to

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Speaker 2: and there, but you want him dhing most of the time.

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Speaker 2: You want him dhing in the playoffs where you need

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Speaker 2: better space for him, a team that's looking for pop.

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Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, it's not easy to find the profile

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Speaker 2: teams out there that are like, hey, we could use

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Speaker 2: during the season. It's not going to kill us, but

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Speaker 2: we also have the DH spot open for him.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great call, Scott. And one team

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Speaker 1: that's stands out immediately as just you were talking, there

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Speaker 1: is a team that's pretty predominantly left handed, and it's Boston.

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Speaker 1: Boston has, of course the desire to resign Alex Redman,

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Speaker 1: they're going to do some other things, and frankly, they're

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Speaker 1: looking for two bats. So that's just one team. I

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Speaker 1: do believe you're right that another team can fit him

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Speaker 1: And obviously if you lose Tail, then you've got to

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Speaker 1: find offense to replace him too, because he's been such

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Speaker 1: a meaningful part of their clubhouse. But again the question becomes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you trade him, then what are you doing to

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Speaker 1: replace him? And I'm sure if the Dodgers even come

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Speaker 2: That's funny you mentioned the Red Sox like they were

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Speaker 2: in on him. I don't remember. I think they actually

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Speaker 2: missed out on him. Tayo was on our show soon

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Speaker 2: So the fit makes even more sense when you consider

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Speaker 2: that the team actually does like the player in the past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have, and again a lot has to happen

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Speaker 1: to get from point A to point B here, But

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Speaker 1: up tasker Hernandez. Even if you think he can play

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Speaker 2: M yeah, I know there's some crazy pervision and you

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Speaker 2: you're at at all that you can get into that

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Speaker 2: in the article and the Athletic Ken's got it out

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Speaker 2: right Now. Let's move to the other column that you

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Speaker 2: put out this morning, and that regards the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: There's a big decision coming up this weekend with the

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Speaker 2: Contemporary Committee that's going to try and vote in some players.

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Speaker 2: But you need, I believe, twelve out of sixteen votes

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Speaker 2: to go your way. But can you get into what

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Speaker 2: you wrote about and how the landscape of how people

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Speaker 2: are thinking about voting players in should change.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Scott. So this idea that I had to write

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Speaker 1: the article stemmed from the fact that Mattingly is on

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Speaker 1: this contemporary era about and he is a guy who

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Speaker 1: had a short peak in his career, but some people

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Speaker 1: consider still Hall of Fame worthy, even though the writers

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Speaker 1: for fifteen years snubbed him in the Coopers Down balloting. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of layers to what I was

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Speaker 1: his first two years on the ballot, David Wright, Dustin Pedroia,

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Speaker 1: And what I say in the article is that generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: I prefer my Hall of famers to have longevity, to

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Speaker 1: have volume. Ten year dominance is of my prerequisite. But

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Speaker 2: It's baseball the way it should be covered on the

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Speaker 2: Right, let's get to the Dorks. Two good candidates this

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Speaker 2: Tis the season, Ken, But when I say that, I

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Speaker 1: All right, time now for Grilling Ken, the part of

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Speaker 1: What I was told this week is that they'll have

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Speaker 1: question then becomes, and to the question that the person

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Speaker 1: way are they going to go? I don't necessarily expect

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Speaker 1: them to trade Ryan Buxton. Maybe Pablo Lopez it seems

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Speaker 1: to me that there are factions in the Twins organization

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Speaker 1: Good ideas, since you've alienated your fan base. And then

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Speaker 1: there are ownership questions. They just took on the two

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Speaker 1: new investors. How much are they going to spend all

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Speaker 1: of that but to keep going backwards? If they do that,

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Speaker 1: then yes, Ryan becomes available, Buckston becomes available. They're probably

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Speaker 1: more valuable separately than they would be together. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go to the next question. What I mean there

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Speaker 1: is separately in trades than they would be in one package.

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Speaker 1: Next question, this one comes from Bernie Suarez, who asked,

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Speaker 1: can you elaborate on the case for Valenzuela in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame? I know there are many fans of

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Speaker 1: Mexican descent, like myself that became fans because of him. Bernie,

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Speaker 1: great question. And Fernando Valezuela, like Murphy, like Maddingly, would

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Speaker 1: he elevate the Hall of Fame? Yes, he would elevate

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. For a moment in time, Fernando

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Speaker 1: Vealezuela was the hottest thing in the sport, and like

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Speaker 1: some of the others, you could say his peak was shorter.

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Speaker 1: He certainly didn't get to the major numbers in longevity

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Speaker 1: that you like to see. But Fernando Valezuela had a

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Speaker 1: huge impact on the sport, and in my view, that

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Speaker 1: should be taken into consideration in Hall of Fame balloting. Now,

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Speaker 1: he didn't get in on the writer's ballot. That's why

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Speaker 1: he's on the Eras Committee ballot, and we'll see how

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Speaker 1: it goes. But when you ask these questions, do I

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Speaker 1: think he belongs? Well, obviously I didn't get in on

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Speaker 1: the writer's boot okay, but if they put him in now,

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Speaker 1: it would be good. It would be a good thing,

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Speaker 1: and I would be quite pleased to see Fernando Valezuela

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Speaker 1: in Cooperstown. All right. Next question, this one comes from

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Speaker 1: let's get to it's Sicilian eighty seven. I love these names.

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Speaker 1: A lot of money coming off the books for Toronto

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Speaker 1: next year, true. Do you think they'll tolerate one year

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Speaker 1: the way that they're going with the signings of Cease

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Speaker 1: and Ponce, and then perhaps another big signing in store,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Tucker or Burschette. Again, I do not expect

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Speaker 1: them to do both. But with that money coming off

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Speaker 1: the books after next year, yes, they can operate in

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Speaker 1: the way that they're doing, and that is perhaps not

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Speaker 1: even perhaps that is one reason why they're going this way.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from armand is amazing. Who asks, besides

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Speaker 1: the Mets, Blue Jays and Dodgers, what other teams will

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Speaker 1: be in on Edwin Diaz. Armond, I'd like to know

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Speaker 1: the answer to that myself, because I don't know now.

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Speaker 1: Diaz is an interesting case. The Mets obviously this week

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Speaker 1: signed Devin Williams as kind of protection against the loss

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Speaker 1: of Daz. If they get Daz back, great, They've got

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Speaker 1: a dynamic one two punch at the end of games.

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Speaker 1: If they don't, certainly Devin Williams can close, though it's

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Speaker 1: not as good a bullpen without Daz. Let's not mistake

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Speaker 1: that the Blue Jays we do know, have been linked

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Speaker 1: to Edwin Diaz and the Dodgers. I can expect that

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Speaker 1: they be in, but probably only if his market collapses.

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Speaker 1: I don't see them doing another multi year for reliever

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Speaker 1: after they gave Tanner Scott four years seventy two million

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Speaker 1: last offseason. So when we look at this and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: which teams are in? Who else can be in? Maybe

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have a market, and certainly the qualifying offer

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Speaker 1: is something that hurts all players who get it to

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Speaker 1: some extent. But I don't ever buy that an elite

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Speaker 1: talent like a Diaz or any other player at that

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Speaker 1: caliber does not have a market. Now, he might not

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Speaker 1: have a market at the level that he wants to

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Speaker 1: be at, but let's say the price drops. Let's say

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Speaker 1: it's not five years one hundred, Let's say it goes

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Speaker 1: to four years, maybe even to three. Then teams would

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Speaker 1: jump in. And again it's difficult to predict. I always

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Speaker 1: tell you guys this that free agency, it's almost impossible

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Speaker 1: to predict in many cases because teams come out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere and teams do things that you don't expect. But

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Speaker 1: does Edwin Diaz have a market? Yes? I believe he does,

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Speaker 1: so we'll find out in short order. I would expect

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Speaker 1: where he's coming, But at this point just don't know

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Speaker 1: beyond those teams which other ones are involved. All right,

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Speaker 1: one more question before we go. This one comes from

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Speaker 1: Christian Avilis one two, three Ken Who are the front

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Speaker 1: runners for tetsuga am I now in our notes column today,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mooney and I we wrote about am I and

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Speaker 1: Patrick in assembling that it was his note for the

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Speaker 1: most part, pointed out that am I as a guy

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Speaker 1: that is not necessarily wedded to any one part of

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Speaker 1: the country, or any one team or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: He is open minded. That was the point of what

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Speaker 1: Patrick wrote. Three East Coast teams I can see being

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Speaker 1: in on Ami for sure, both New York teams the

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Speaker 1: Yankees could use another starter. Not necessarily an absolute must,

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Speaker 1: but man, it would be great if they got one more.

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Speaker 1: The Mets, we know they need an ace and certainly

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Speaker 1: they were in on Yamamoto, as were the Yankees and

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Speaker 1: the Phillies. Another team that was in on Yamamoto two

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Speaker 1: years ago also figured to be in my Sweet Steak.

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Speaker 1: So those are three teams we've heard. San Francisco is out,

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Speaker 1: But here is a guy that can be a difference

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Speaker 1: maker and the best Japanese pitcher coming aboard this year.

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Speaker 1: I would expect he's going to do quite well in

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Speaker 1: free agencies. So with that, I want to thank everyone

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Speaker 1: for watching, for listening, for however you consume our wonderful

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Speaker 1: product here. I also want to thank Scott again for

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Speaker 1: joining us as co host. Have a great weekend everyone,

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Speaker 1: and the next time we speak will be from the

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Speaker 1: Winter Meetings in Orlando coming up Monday. Unfair Territory