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Speaker 2: All right, hit that horn verbless. What's up everybody, and

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Speaker 2: welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. I am your host,

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Speaker 2: Chris Raybon, joined as always by one of the top

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Speaker 2: fantasy rankers in the game, Sean Kerner, and today we

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Speaker 4: Special guest to talk running backs.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about a senior writing for the Athletic All

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Speaker 2: In Kid, Jake Steely Jake, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Man? Thanks for doing this, Thanks for having me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how about the all in fiance Kid? Like I'm celebrating

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Speaker 2: Oh man, congratulations once again new we engage. Oh and kids,

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Speaker 2: I know I love to hear it, love to hear it.

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Speaker 2: And uh yeah man, good uh good vibes.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna start the pod.

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Speaker 2: With that and uh exactly, you know, Jake, I want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much, it's the same as what I've been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know that that that's a fair concern.

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Speaker 4: Go to Saquon Barkley, Jake.

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Speaker 2: You know, last year, I know Sean and I are

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Speaker 2: he would have games where he would run like fifteen

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Speaker 1: It wasn't quite that bad. But yeah, he understand a

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Speaker 1: No, No, there are some pretty like I think this year.

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Speaker 1: I've had him inside my top ten this entire offseason

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know this is I think this is the

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Speaker 2: And you make a really good point. You know, everyone's

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Speaker 2: Jarius Toni and Wandale Robinson and his cake out and yeah,

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Speaker 2: And it's like, how about just take the guy who's

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Speaker 2: they have to. So Sean, what do you think about

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Speaker 2: the range of outcomes for saque Is here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think he still has top five upside if

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Speaker 3: All report sound like he's one hundred percent, So I

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Speaker 3: think we're getting a steal with him at RB fourteen.

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Speaker 3: And he's actually and I mean he has no competition

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Speaker 3: and he's right at the end of I would say

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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, I love getting guys at

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Speaker 3: So I love getting him at RB fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, feels good to finally be able to take some Saquon.

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Speaker 2: You know, VX got it, got a rep from Eye.

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Speaker 3: Rep for the Hood.

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Speaker 2: But let's talk about Zeke because you know, there was

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Speaker 2: you know, do you think some of the struggles, especially

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think part of it was. I think

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Speaker 1: You know, he had the one game with twenty carries,

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Speaker 1: more explosive. And then but was it injury or is

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Speaker 1: I thinks a lot of questions out there. I think

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Speaker 1: no matter how much you were a freak. You are

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Speaker 1: and we've seen the practices, and he looks explosive again.

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Speaker 1: But when you have somebody like Tony Pollard and you

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Speaker 1: have the NFL copycat lead, we say that every single year,

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Speaker 1: we copy ourselves saying it every single year. Is that

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Speaker 1: when you have somebody like Tony Pollard, the best running

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Speaker 1: wanted to see him take over for Zeke last year,

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Speaker 1: Saquon likely just run them into the ground. Not that

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Speaker 1: that's fair to the player, but if the Cowboys have Playoff,

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Speaker 1: which they should aspirations, if they have Super Bowl aspirations.

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Speaker 1: Do you win a Super Bowl without Zeke? It's questionable.

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Speaker 3: Do you win it with.

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Speaker 1: Both of them? He and Pollard? That's a good chance

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Speaker 1: that you will. So why not copy the blueprint around

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Speaker 1: the NFL. You don't have to go full fifty to

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Speaker 1: sixty five even thirty five, and then yeah, Zeke should

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Speaker 2: John, you know, Jake kind of made the case for

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Speaker 2: tear drop, you know, from Saquon. So for give me

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Speaker 3: Is going to be a workhorse. Like I said, he

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Speaker 3: Tony Pollard is probably better at this point in his career,

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Speaker 3: but they're paying Zeke way too much money. We're not

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Speaker 3: going to see Pollard leap frog Zeke and be starting

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Speaker 3: over a healthy Zeke, And I'm willing to forgive Zeke.

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Speaker 3: Last year he was playing through a partially torn PCL.

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Speaker 3: That's got to be painful. It absolutely limited him. So

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Speaker 3: please Zeke rest when you have a torn PCL this

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Speaker 3: time around. But yeah, I think that, you know, in

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Speaker 3: this range, he is a fairly safe play. Like, I

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Speaker 3: is definitely capped with Pollard there. So I just I'd

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Speaker 3: rather get Pollard, you know, a few rounds later, just

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Speaker 3: because the upside is massive there and this is a

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Speaker 3: range where I think there's still you know, pretty good

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Speaker 3: the point in the draft I'm I'm trying to get

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Speaker 3: my second or third wide receiver sometimes. So yeah, Zeke,

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Speaker 3: he just sits in, you know, the on top of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually don't mind Seke I I kind of

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Speaker 2: I agree that Sequon is. You know, I think there's

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Speaker 2: you know, Zeke last year he ran a route on

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Speaker 2: sixty percent of the dropback, but he only got targeted

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Speaker 2: fifteen percent of the time, whereas Poward got targeted twenty

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Speaker 3: But you know, the.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys now they're having all these wide receiver injuries. You know,

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Speaker 2: upside is still massive. So you know, it's not as

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Speaker 3: Either. Like I think he's fine. I think that's a yeah,

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Speaker 3: the way to discovered it. That's fine. I would preferm

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Speaker 2: RB sixteen is David Montgomery, and you know, he's a

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Speaker 2: what are you doing with Montgomery this year? How risky

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Speaker 2: is he? You know, probably a bottom five offensive line

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Speaker 2: the Bears don't have any pass catchers and Montgomery has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of out on Montgomery at this spot.

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Speaker 1: I think that we've seen some drafts similar to what

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Speaker 1: Sean was just saying. It's like other drafts where he'll

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Speaker 1: So what usually happens in those kind of backfields. Your

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Speaker 1: tale complete story. We all know that, but it does

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Speaker 1: I just don't think he's much better than replacement level.

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Speaker 3: Feeling about Montgomery here? Not great? And I love this

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Speaker 3: turns into the Dave Montgomery pod, but he definitely gives

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Speaker 3: me some frozen Pond vibes because, as Jake mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 3: the new offensive corner Lugetzky, he's coming over from Green Bay.

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Speaker 3: So I do expect more of an even time show

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Speaker 3: So this is again same thing with Zeke. I don't

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Speaker 3: So again, this is the range where I like to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's you know, there's definitely some floor

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Speaker 2: his name, trustin Ebner.

433
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Speaker 3: For all we know. You know, so you know, there

434
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 3: are just some concerns.

435
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,199
Speaker 2: And I look at you know, some of the receivers

436
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 2: going around there. I mean you can still get a

437
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson, Davin Wattle, Terry mclaurren's on the board a

438
00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,719
Speaker 2: lot of the time. So Kyle Pitts is actually sometimes

439
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 2: still there as well. So uh, Hitman, there's just I

440
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 2: think it's just not the strength of the draft here,

441
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, just to be taken running backs here, because

442
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 2: you know, Shawan, as you and I talked about on

443
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 2: the last pod, a lot of the running backs in

444
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: that next probably two tiers that that we're gonna get to.

445
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,159
Speaker 2: I don't think there's as much difference. You know, there's

446
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 2: there's a wide range of outcomes with all of them.

447
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,680
Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's they'll have low floors. So, yeah,

448
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 2: Montgomery's not a guy I'm getting too much of. I

449
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 2: do think I do think he'll still catch a lot

450
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 2: of passes, though, I will say it, even with the

451
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: mobile quarterback, I just think Kyle would needs needs.

452
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 3: Somebody to catch the football.

453
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Speaker 2: Okay, cam Akers, you know he had quite an interesting

454
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: you know, eighteen months or whatever you want to call it.

455
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: I mean just burst on the scene at the end

456
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty. Uh and then you know, gets hurt,

457
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 2: you know, the Achilles injury, comes back way too soon

458
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: and has just an abysmally inefficient host season. But Jake,

459
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: I'll ask you, is was that just an aberration due

460
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 2: to coming back too soon? We've also heard whispers about

461
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 2: not whispers, I mean the coach himself, Sean McVay said, hey,

462
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 2: you know, Darya Henders is going to be more involved

463
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: this year. So what do you make of cam Akers

464
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 2: going here at RB seventeen?

465
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Speaker 1: So since after the Super Bowl win of my way

466
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Speaker 1: too early rankings, this is now, So that's what February, March, April, May, June, July, August,

467
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 1: it's like six months of this. So anybody out there

468
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 1: that's seeing me on my shows, like you're gonna get

469
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: You already know where I'm going with this, so I apologize.

470
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 1: Maybe skip ahead and listen to Sean instead, But I'm

471
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Speaker 1: gonna say what I always say is like, watch and

472
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 1: listen to what teams tell us. Not Sean McVay. Coaches

473
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: lie all the time. Sean McVay is lying out of

474
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: the side of his mouth. Sean McVay one likes to

475
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 1: rely on one guy when he can two, and that's

476
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Speaker 1: been proven too. What I'm going with here, and again,

477
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: this could be wrong because doctors no more than we do.

478
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: But what we know and saw is the team told

479
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Speaker 1: us coming off a six month which nobody ever does.

480
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: Achille Injurery with the playoffs when he faced really good

481
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: teams actually including the forty nine ers on the defensive side,

482
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Speaker 1: with the Super Bowl on the line, Sean McVay and

483
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: the Rams said, we're going to make you a bell cow.

484
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: We have Henderson, we had Sony Michelle playing like we

485
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Speaker 1: have options, and we're still going to give you the

486
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Speaker 1: bell cow workload. With the playoffs and super Bowl on

487
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: the line. That tells me what the team thinks and

488
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Speaker 1: what the team wants to do. So I'm going with

489
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Speaker 1: cam Akers now a hell of a lot far removed,

490
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Speaker 1: if full on year removed from this injury. Was getting

491
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 1: bellcow treatment six months when you're not supposed to come

492
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: back from this injury. Tells me cam Akers is going

493
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: to be a bellcow and one of the most positive

494
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: game script offensive powerhouses in the NFL. I have cam

495
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Speaker 1: Akers as a rock solid RB one. I could be

496
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Speaker 1: going down with his ship or I could be going

497
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Speaker 1: down with his achilles, because maybe he's never one hundred

498
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Speaker 1: percent again. But I'm going with what the team told

499
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Speaker 1: us and not what mcveigh's lying to us right now.

500
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Speaker 1: In preseason, don.

501
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Speaker 3: Thought cam Akers at seventeen is a fair price. I'm

502
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: not worried about Henderson much at all. As Jake mentioned,

503
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Speaker 3: you know, McVeagh does like just relying on one back,

504
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 3: and Sony Michelle was able to leap frog Henderson last

505
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: year partly because Henderson was in now the lineup and

506
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 3: McVay was like, I just want to know who's the

507
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: running back, so he just started using Sony Michelle and

508
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 3: then he let a less than one hundred percent fully

509
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: ineffective Acres be the workhorse over Henderson. So with Acres

510
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 3: being more of a normal amount removed from the achilles

511
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 3: Like last season was a miracle that he came back,

512
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Speaker 3: so I'm willing to forgive him last year. I think

513
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: Acres is going to dominate touches in this offense. And

514
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, they threw the ball at the league high

515
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: rate of sixty four percent inside the five last year.

516
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: I'm expecting some aggression there. So Acres is, you know,

517
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Speaker 3: a decent bet for double digit touchdowns, Like he's going

518
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: to get plenty of goal line chances. So I like Acres,

519
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: you know, just in terms of volume and touch on upside.

520
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 3: To target him in this.

521
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Speaker 2: Range, yeah, I'm not buying Acres as much as you guys.

522
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: I think.

523
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Speaker 4: I think they're just like a lot of these other backs.

524
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Speaker 2: They're just enough concerns to where I'd still rather probably

525
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: target a wide receiver or a tight end in this range.

526
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it's fair to say Sean

527
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 2: McVay always wants to go to number one guy. I

528
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: think Darryl Henderson, who will talk about later, but I

529
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: think he's a guy that it's just you, you know,

530
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to give him, you know,

531
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Speaker 2: twenty carries for seventeen games. But like I think McVeigh also,

532
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: you know, when when Todd Gurley started breaking down, he

533
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: kept with CJ. Anderson even you know, throughout the Super Bowl,

534
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: and he might be scarred by you know, what happened

535
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: with Akers, even though they got away with it. So

536
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know that he's just gonna be

537
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Speaker 2: like a ninety percent, you know, touch guy in this

538
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Speaker 2: backfield going forward. I do think though that the Rams

539
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: will run more this year. Uh, you know, they're already

540
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 2: dealing with some you know, just injuries at wide receiver guys,

541
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Speaker 2: you know, not coming back.

542
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: Stafford's going to have the elbow pain.

543
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: So I do think that from that standpoint, there should

544
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: be enough volume. So it's not you know, it's not

545
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: a guy that I'm like, okay, I'm all the way

546
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: out on. But I do like the guy next a

547
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: little more, and that's James Connor at RB eighteen.

548
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 3: You know, Jake, I don't.

549
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: Know, to me, it just feels low considering you know,

550
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 2: he's kind of in a similar boat to to two

551
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: Acres in a way. You know, it should be a

552
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: good offense, you know, and Connor, I mean last year,

553
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: if you watch this dude play like it wasn't just okay,

554
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: like he's scoring touchdowns, like he at times looked like

555
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: one of the best backs in football, And so I

556
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 2: kind of put Connor in that like Leonard Fournette kind

557
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: of tier where I just think people are too low

558
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: on him. I know he's probably never going to be

559
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: that you know, twenty touch workhorse at this stage, you know,

560
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: to to preserve him, but I really like his situation.

561
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: I just really like the way he played.

562
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Speaker 1: But what say you, Yeah, So this is coming from

563
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: somebody loves James Connor throughout his career, so I think

564
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: this is a fair spot for him. Would take Akers

565
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: ten times out of ten over him, mostly because for me,

566
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: there's two things. And so James Connor was a little

567
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: bit more effective and that's just pure running game, but

568
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more effective once Hopkins was gone, not

569
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 1: just from target standpoint, those definitely targets. He saw more

570
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: of it. But the interesting thing is, like how this

571
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: offense shifted with no Hopkins is that you watch it,

572
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: Culer Murray ran more effectively and all his rushing touchdowns

573
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: came when Hopkins was in the lineup, which is also

574
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 1: when James Connor struggled a little bit more, but granted

575
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: he was getting his own rushing touchdowns, but his effectiveness

576
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: actually went up a bit when there was no DeAndre Hopkins.

577
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was because more of a

578
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: threat in the passing game or more of a balance.

579
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to pinpoint because you watch games

580
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: and as you said, at times he looks great even

581
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: when Hopkins was in there and was not in there,

582
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 1: So it's hard to pinpoint Connor. And what I do

583
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: know at this point when I brought him up with

584
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: for Net and Zekee Elliott, what I will say we

585
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: know about Connor is he's touchdown relyant. His touches aren't

586
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: going to be three hundred, He's had an injury history,

587
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: he has never played a full season. So I think

588
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: this is a fair spot. Could he repeat and far

589
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: to see this spot? Absolutely? Is this a nice spot

590
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: for me in the fact that you're baking in some

591
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: of that risk and what happens when Hopkins does come back,

592
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: what does this offense look like it again now with

593
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: Marquis Brown. I think that's fair and that's why I

594
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: like him at this spot. So it's very rare that

595
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: I'm like Oh, like, I'm okay with this spot. But

596
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: like James Connor at RB eighteen, although I will say

597
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: I would take him in front of David Montgomery.

598
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Like I think that's kind of where I

599
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: was getting at.

600
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: You know, some of these I mean, if we're gonna

601
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: take one of these guys, because they're all in a

602
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: you know again, they all have risks. But like, if

603
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: we're gonna take one of these guys, give me the

604
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: guy going later who I think could outperform some of

605
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: the other guys I always has, you know, the same

606
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: kind of chance.

607
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: But what do you think about Connor Shaw? Yeah, I

608
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: think he's my favorite back from this tier. And you know,

609
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: the fight games without Chase last year, he averaged twenty

610
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 3: one HAPPYPR points, which was more than Jonathan Taylor's full

611
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 3: season average. So you know, and like you said, Rayvon,

612
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 3: like he passed the eye test. He looked amazing. Last year.

613
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: He looked at a brand new running back. And part

614
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: of the reason why he was such a workhorse is

615
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: they have literally no depth outside of Edmonds and Connor.

616
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: But this year they did beef up the backfield a

617
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: little bit. You know, they added Darrel Williams, they drafted

618
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: Kante Ingram, who I think is sneaky, so they, along

619
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 3: with Eno Benjamin, will probably fill in the Chase Edmonds

620
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: role a bit, which does hurt James Connor's ceiling from

621
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: what we saw last year. But he's not going to

622
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: score eighteen touchdowns this year. I'm aware of that. But

623
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: he's still going to be their goal line back. The

624
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: offense is still going to be putting up points, so

625
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: I think we could bank on him possibly, you know,

626
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 3: breaking double digit touchdowns again this year. So yeah, in

627
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: this range when all these guys we can poke holes in,

628
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: I think Connor has at least other than just his

629
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: injury history, and he might not play every game, but

630
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: at least when he's in there, we know he's going

631
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: to put up you know, solid RB two numbers.

632
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, I don't know if it really

633
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: hurts the ceiling in the sense that like it probably

634
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: preserves him, you know, like he needs that, Like he

635
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: needs those games where he can touch the ball like

636
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 2: fifteen times but score two touchdowns and then there will

637
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: always be you know, those four or five games where

638
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: they just have to give him twenty calories and he

639
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: could do it. But you know, I really like what

640
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: I saw. You know, I know that at times it

641
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: wasn't always efficient. You know, three point seven yards per

642
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: carry was actually a career low, but ten point one

643
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 2: yards per catch was a career high, so you know

644
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: he passed the eye test. Good offense. Hopkins is going

645
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: to be out six games anyway. Edmonds isn't there. You know,

646
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: I'll you know, I'll take Connor all day. I really

647
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: love him, so I have him ranked significantly higher than

648
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: his RB eighteen spot. I have him in the low teens.

649
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: So love me some James Connor this year where he's going. Okay, Jay,

650
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: things are starting to get dicey after Connor, like for real,

651
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: for real, in my opinion, do you feel like this

652
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: is kind of.

653
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 4: The start of a frozen Pond tier or.

654
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: Do you think drafters should be targeting you know, these

655
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: running backs in that you know RB get twenty to

656
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: thirty range.

657
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: So the funny thing is here, I'll say Michael Florida,

658
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: a good friend I used to do shows and stuff

659
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: with over an NFL netwhere he tweeted out something about

660
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: the frozen pond like this range mentioned Gibson, some of

661
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: these running backs we're going to talk about, and he said, like, oh,

662
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: so you know you might be able to take a

663
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: few more darts a little bit deeper this year. I said,

664
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 1: for me, like I wasn't coming at Floria, but like

665
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: in a not even for you either. It's just difference

666
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: of opinions. There's a lot of running backs in this

667
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: range that I would start the Frozen Pond after, like

668
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: for me Gibson Jacobs, Mitchell Dobbins, now that we have

669
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: the news and then that might be about it, I

670
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: would throw it because I think like four of those

671
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: five were in his tweet. Those would come and then

672
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: I would start the Frozen Pond with like Damian Harris,

673
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: wh I do like but deserves to be in that conversation,

674
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders deserves all those. So there's about four or

675
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: five that I would say before you got to that

676
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: this year, and people are going to differ out there,

677
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: because that's why we're doing shows like this. People have

678
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: different opinions. But there's a lot of those running backs

679
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: that I would consider as rock solid RB twos for me,

680
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: and I know that I'm on a ledge with a

681
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: little bit more of them than other people are. But yeah,

682
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: so I think we're getting into frozen pond range, but

683
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: I think it is a little bit further back than

684
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: it was last year.

685
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: Make the case actually for some of those guys, because

686
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: I I know that Let's start with you mentioned Jacobs.

687
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: I want to talk about him because I know some

688
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: people were nervous. They saw him, you know, out there

689
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: with in the preseason game, and they also saw how

690
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: good Zamir White looked, so obviously Kenyan Drake this so

691
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: let's start with Jacobs. Just make the case for Josh

692
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: Jacobs in twenty twenty two.

693
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: So and I know he was a rookie, but like

694
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: naj Harris played a ton in the Hall of Football

695
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game last year. So like before, it's

696
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: too much like oh with the talk my beat, we're

697
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: talking a new lensive coordinator. Drake was hurt. I'm not

698
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: saying to not have any concern. This is something I'll

699
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: say similar to it. And I know this is actual

700
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: game versus beat reporters, but I say this every single

701
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: year when you see a Beat reporter say, ooh, Blank

702
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: had a good practice today, and that's the only person

703
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: reporting it, whether he or she is the one that wait,

704
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: just put a pin in it, like remember in the

705
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: back of your head that somebody said that, but don't

706
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: react until four or five six beat reporters starts saying

707
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: the same thing, because just like why I said that

708
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: about this conversation is I might like Jake was more

709
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: than twenty other experts, but do you want to believe

710
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: me or the nineteen that might be right? So that's

711
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: why I say put that away. So the Jacobs, there's

712
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot of factors going on the game. And the

713
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: reason I bring that up is to say, well, Week

714
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: two rolls out of the preseason, Week three rolls out

715
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: of the preseason, and now it's more of a committee.

716
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: He's working with the second team while it's still out there.

717
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: All right, now, let's take a little bit of a note.

718
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: But Jacobs, I will say, on the positive side, look

719
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: good one two was actually being used in the passing game.

720
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: I like, for how many times have we said that?

721
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: But I think Jacobs is their best back. I'm I

722
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: think Zamro White's a fine complimentary piece. I think Kenyan

723
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Drake at this point is a complimentary piece. I think

724
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: he's part of the Gruden bringing regime. I think Jacobs

725
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: is looking at still fifty five sixty percent, and if

726
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: what we suspect this offense to be what it was

727
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: last year, I think Jacobs deserves to be a solid

728
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: RB two. But that's why he's RB twenty and he's

729
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 1: not RB twelve.

730
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: Just given the offense that he's in, it does seem

731
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: kind of interesting that like he's going, you know, well

732
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: after David Montgomery.

733
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're just talking.

734
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: Because like you're kind of this is there's a lot

735
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: of early downbacks in this year, Like let's be honest,

736
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: and you're kind of looking for touchdowns. Like I would say,

737
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: I have Jacobs ranked the highest and standard then a

738
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: little less high in half PPR in the lowest in

739
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: pp are because I think you have uh, you know

740
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: Adams renfro Waller. So yes, Jacobs was using the passing

741
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: game last year when when guys were hurting, no Adams

742
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: was there. But I don't think they need to use

743
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: him in the past game this year, So I do

744
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: think that will come down. And but I don't think

745
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm like super worried about him yet. I think at

746
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: the end of the day, that's what this tier is.

747
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: It's guys who are going to plan early downs that's

748
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: never gonna be you know, eighty percent, that's gonna be

749
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: like you said, fifty to sixty. So you know that

750
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: that's that's a good point on Jacob's Sean, how you

751
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: feeling about Jacobs and just some of the other backs

752
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 2: in this you know, early downs here.

753
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 4: Gibson's another one I kind of want you to opining on.

754
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So all these guys I would consider sort of

755
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: the Frozen Pond tier. Plus I'm targeting We're going to

756
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: talk about these backs a little bit later, but I'm

757
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: targeting three specific backs in this range. So I'm not

758
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: getting much exposure on these guys, but I will say

759
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: this Frozen Pond is a lot better than last year.

760
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: Remember it was like Mike Davis, Miles Gaskin and like

761
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: I think Raheem Mosert was here. So this tier, this

762
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: Frozen Pond tier, is actually legit. All these guys have

763
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: you know, a low end RB one up. I'm not

764
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: denying that, but every single one of these guys just

765
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: has just four concerns. Where Antonio Gibson, you know, he's

766
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 3: going to be sandwiched between ja D mcizick and Brian Robinson,

767
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: who will be getting the high value targets, you know,

768
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: the receptions and goal line work potentially, so that's very

769
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: scary for Gibson. Josh Jacobs. Again, we're kind of concerned

770
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: of a potential three way committee with Zumier White and

771
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: Kenyan and Drake. That's you know, that's an issue with me.

772
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: Elijah Mitchell. He begins the season as the foreign errow

773
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: starting running back, which has been the biggest trap in

774
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: fantasy football each of the past four seasons. I think

775
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: he might be the guy that breaks that trend. He

776
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: looked really good last year. I don't know why they

777
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't use him as a workhorse back this year, but

778
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: you know, fool me once, shame on me kind of thing.

779
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: So he's definitely frozen pod just because of Kyle Shanahan. JK.

780
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: Dobbins is you know, he's going to be easy in

781
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: to begin the season, and he's already limited in the

782
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: receiving game, which limits his upside. And Damian Harris he

783
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: could get leap fraud by Ramadrick Stevenson at any point,

784
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: and Rashad Penny could be splitting work with Kenth Walker.

785
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 3: So there's four concern with all these guys. And then

786
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: in this range. You know, I'm telling you I'm I'm

787
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 3: targeting three other backs instead.

788
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, I want to spend some time

789
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: on this range because I mean, this is the range

790
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: where I think people could just make mistakes.

791
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: You know, it is kind of land minds.

792
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: Even if you do like some of them, I will

793
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: say this, you know, I did you know earlier in

794
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: the offseason. I think Gibson was still in like that,

795
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, the early teens, and he's been dropping.

796
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: But I think there's a misconception.

797
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: And I've stated this going back to AJ Dillon's rookie year.

798
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: It's like when they get it, when they when a

799
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: team drafts a rookie back for short yardage, everyone just

800
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: assumes that short yardage is going to include goal line,

801
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: but it can just include shortyard He's like, remember the

802
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: Washington at one point had like Peyton Barber for short yardage.

803
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: That didn't mean he got every goal line Carrie. It's like,

804
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: you give your best back the ball at the goal line.

805
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: Like Aaron Jones was still good.

806
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: I think he's like put up like fifteen touch downs

807
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: that year and everyone wrote him off, like, oh he

808
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: j Dealon is gonna stet a touchdown. So like, I

809
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: don't think Antonio Gibson is just gonna miraculously be pulled

810
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: at the goal line for a rookie, uh, when he's

811
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: been Washington's you know, second best offensive player, you know.

812
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: Since he was drafted. So that I'm not concerned with.

813
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: I am concerned with Carson Wentz, who may not be

814
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: able to bring the offense down the field.

815
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: Are he's already having issues.

816
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: Like the like if you read training camp reports about

817
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz, like he's already in the stock down section,

818
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: which just worries me. So that would be my concern.

819
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: But like it's not like a you know, it gives

820
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: him starts dropping.

821
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: I've seen him drop to like.

822
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: RB twenty five, twenty six, like a whole round. Yeah,

823
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm fine with him. Like I'm fine, I'm taking that value,

824
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: but I'm fine.

825
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. And to be sure, I think, sorry, I think

826
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: Gibson could absolutely be a workhorse back. I would use

827
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 3: him as going back and a pass catching back. And

828
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: I take your point with the you don't really have

829
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: a concern about goaling touches, you know, Brian Robinson potentially

830
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: saying way, you know, we have no concern about goal

831
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: and touches the guy going right before him, James Connor.

832
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying that the fact that we're even

833
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: able to have a discussion is all I'm saying, whereas

834
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: James Connor, there's no discussion there. So that's why I'm

835
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: just being a little bit cautious. Like you said, RB

836
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: nineteen a little bit rich, but outside of the top

837
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: twenty five sometimes he falls there.

838
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, to go real quick because I just want

839
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: to get out of the way the Dobbins when I

840
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: agree with you, Sean has cob like kind of the

841
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: Barkley last year. But we are at least we're getting in

842
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: a discount versus Barkley last year where you might have

843
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,479
Speaker 1: to wait to October to get him one hundred percent.

844
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: The two that were touching on Gibson and Mitchell that

845
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: I wanted to come back. But yeah, Gibson, I've had

846
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: in this range the entire time because I made the argument,

847
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: as you just said, is the fact that is this

848
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: really an upgrade When it comes to Carson Wentz like

849
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: the only and I broke it down and I went

850
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: through it, and I'm looking all these games and it's

851
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: like Heinekee versus wins. The only difference was really touchdown,

852
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: the interception ratio, everything else. You're looking at a very

853
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: similar quarterback. And so when you talk about the offense, Yeah,

854
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: that's a valid thing to throw out there. The Antonio

855
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: Gibson thing. Tweeted this yesterday too, and I said that

856
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: even before they lost mckissicks. So if you just go

857
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: with the games where McKissick was out there, Gibson was

858
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: still RB fifteen to twenty depending on your scoring format,

859
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 1: in that range, both overall and in points per game.

860
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: He's still gonna get that work. The only concern that

861
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned, Raybond is the fact that like you know,

862
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: they're talking about the short yard, like if Gibson continues

863
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: to fumble, if he continues to fumble and he's fumbling

864
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: at the goal line and then he lose, Like but

865
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: you would need three four weeks of that and that again,

866
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: that's a possibility. That's why he's down here. But it's

867
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: not gonna happen week one. Like, he's not gonna fumble

868
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: once and they're gonna boom yank him off and you're

869
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: never going to see him again. It's going to Brian

870
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: Robinson show and how many times have we done. You

871
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: just mentioned the AJ Dillon. Let's just see him say,

872
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson is no guarantee to succeed in the NFL.

873
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: I love Rookie as much as anybody, but let's chill

874
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: out before we just hand the job off to Brian Robinson.

875
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: That like he's already showed out great and we have

876
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: seen him do great, we still don't know the Elijah

877
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: Mitchell day. I rotted this off to Ratcliffe when he

878
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: was on my show. I said, tell me whose game

879
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: log this is? For Carrie's nineteen seventeen nine and where

880
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: he got banged up eighteen eighteen eight in a miserable

881
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: game against Arizona, twenty seven, twenty seven, twenty two, twenty one,

882
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty seven. Those twenties were with Deebo B

883
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: and Deebo by the way, where he was starting to

884
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: run five, six, seven times a game. I know we've

885
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: gotten Shanahan in the past, but this time last year,

886
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Sean, everybody wanted to raheem most hurt.

887
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: He got hurt. Everybody wanted James Jeff Wilson. The years

888
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: before that, A lot of Shanahan's turnover has been injury related.

889
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: I am fully in on Elijah Mitchell, but let's remember

890
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: they don't want to use the specific roles. He's not

891
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: used in the passing game, even though he can catch

892
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: the ball. He's basically discount Derrick Henry Elijah Mitchell.

893
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: I mean I struggled with him a little bit because

894
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: I honestly do think RB twenty one is a little

895
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: too high.

896
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: And the reason is, I do.

897
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: Agree with what you said about, like, you know, the

898
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: carries when he had a game, lines were amazing, and

899
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: he looked good, like he's another guy that passed test.

900
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: But as I read these beat reports and like you said,

901
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: you know, multiple beat reports, how Shanahan's been quoted as

902
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: essentially saying, I am worried about Mitchell's health. I am

903
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: worried about his ability to handle a full workloade over

904
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 2: the course of a seventeen game season.

905
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 4: That is why we drafted ty Davis Price.

906
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 3: That is why we have this you know, deep running

907
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: back room.

908
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: And really, I mean Janahan kind of fell into it

909
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: with Mitchell last year. I mean I think it was

910
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: like the first or second week of the season, every

911
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: running back on the depth chart got hurt, even Trenton

912
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: Cannon and they had to like put Mitchell back in

913
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: the game after he got hurt, and you know, he's

914
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: he just ran away with the job.

915
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: But I well, he sent for Trey Sermon, who they

916
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: traded up to get and took in the third round,

917
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: and that's why they took him last year.

918
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, what all I'm saying is, I

919
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: do think that Mitchell will be mad.

920
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: Now, does that mean he doesn't get go forward?

921
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because I still think at the

922
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 2: end of the day, he's their best back.

923
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: He's I think he's still going to be in in

924
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: the leverage situations.

925
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: But would I be surprised if he if they try

926
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: to scale back his workworld, No, because I do. I

927
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: do think that Shannan out of point. I mean, Mitchell

928
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: was in it out of the line of himself. And

929
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure Shanahan has just scarred from year after year,

930
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: like all his running backs are getting hurt, and Mitchell's

931
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: probably been the best one. So I do think they'll

932
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: kind of conserve him a little bit, you know, so

933
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: that you know there are like a wider range of

934
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: outcomes this year than last year, where you could just

935
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: pencil him in for seventeen to twenty carries, So you

936
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: know that's I think RB twenty one a little bit,

937
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: a little bit steep Dobbins. You know, I've been vocally

938
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: down on him the majority of the off season. Now

939
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: he's you know, off the punt with he's back practiced

940
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: in I did read a report that said he was

941
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: laboring and it was a struggle was talking back, like

942
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: what I mean, they're also I got you know, that's

943
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: kind of expected, but like, it doesn't make me feel

944
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: great when I'm taking a one dimensional guy because like

945
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, we saw a happy and no different injury.

946
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: But we saw it happen with Cam Akers last year, right,

947
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: you know, it's like, oh wow, he's amazing, he's young,

948
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: he's coming back off this injury that you know, ten

949
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: years ago nobody would have dreamed of. But then it

950
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: was just like, hey, maybe should have just stayed out,

951
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: Like I need to monitor JK. Dobbins very closely and

952
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: like the visual proof over and over. And I don't

953
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: know if we'll get that because I don't. I don't

954
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: think they'll play him in the preseason.

955
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: Yes, they're not going to.

956
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to So it's like we're gonna

957
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: i mean every camp like the camps are you know

958
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: that we still get footage. But like I have to

959
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: really see something with Dobbins to justify this, because I mean,

960
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: the Ravens still, you know, they still have a bunch

961
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: of backs on the roster. You know, Edwards will still

962
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: be back at some point. And even when Dobbins, you know,

963
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: took off his rookie year, he was still getting about

964
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: thirteen carriage per game and Edwards is getting about nine.

965
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: So like it's always I think gonna be a committee.

966
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: I can't really justify his draft spot even if he is,

967
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: you know, back to kind of what he is. I

968
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: just think there is a better way to kind of

969
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: go about your draft, especially in half PBR full PBR,

970
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: then going Dobbins at this spot where you could be

971
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: I think kind of storing up your receiving core and

972
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: just wait a little longer and still get some some

973
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: good values at running backs. So those four guys, I

974
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: think though, those are gonna be very polarizing. Gibson, Jacob's,

975
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: Mitchell Dobbins, I mean, Harris is we kind of know

976
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: what it is. It's like, you know, the New England's

977
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: gonna mix in Stevenson, They're.

978
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: Not gonna New England is just gonna do whatever works.

979
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: You know, they might have a different guy for a

980
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: different week, just based on some intricate detail that we

981
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: don't know about, right And and in Penny, I mean

982
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: he's missed twenty seven out.

983
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: Of sixty five career games.

984
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's more worrisome than even I

985
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: think they drafted Kenneth Walker because they know that, and

986
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: so it's like how much Penny do you get? You know,

987
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: that's more the issue with him. But Jake, let's jump

988
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: into you know, two other guys in this tier as well.

989
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: But I kind of grouped them together because I feel

990
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: like there's this potential for them to be like post

991
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: height sleepers.

992
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: Or just terrible bus.

993
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: Number one is Spot Edwards Lair going to RB twenty seven,

994
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: and number two is Miles Standards going right after at

995
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 2: RB twenty eight.

996
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 4: Thoughts on both of those guys.

997
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have zero share so far on both of them. Interestingly,

998
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 1: I think the Edwards a layer. This is a couple

999
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: factors of player, but I think the biggest one is

1000
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to hope and Chase. What is the Chiefs offense.

1001
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: That's why you see Isaiah Pajaco get news and all

1002
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: of a sudden his ADP skyrockets in two days. And

1003
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: then before that it was Ronald Jones. Because Ronald Jones

1004
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: might be the lead, and it was a layer might

1005
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: be the change of pace, and that's oh they brought

1006
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: back Jack McKinnon. Like, at this point we might be

1007
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: headed to the Chiefs version of the Patriots where it's

1008
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: all for the head of a report yesterday, all four

1009
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: might be active and on the roster. So I would

1010
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: just look at it more so of what happened. I

1011
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: did the draft this past weekend. I don't want Ronald Jones,

1012
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: but in the fourteenth round, I'm just gonna take the

1013
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: cheapest one. If Pajaco goes into twelfth and Jones goes

1014
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: in the fourteenth, I'll take the cheapest one. If Jones

1015
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: still goes in the tenth and Pajaco falls off the

1016
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: way down, or maybe Edward Zilaire ends up going cheap,

1017
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: He's probably never going to be the cheapest, but if

1018
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: he gets down to round nine or ten, so I'll

1019
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: say I'll take the best discount here because you're basically

1020
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: rolling the dice of one of three potentially one of four,

1021
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: and you still might not get great value. So I

1022
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: want cheap discount here. Miles Sanders has more to do

1023
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: with and I'm not going to go too much into

1024
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: him because I see Sean has something here, And if

1025
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: anybody wants to see my article of my top five breakouts,

1026
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: my fifth breakout to go even deeper was Kenneth Gainwell,

1027
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: so I'll save that for Sean and if anyone wants

1028
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: to read the article. But part of the reason I'm

1029
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: not in on Miles Sanders is not because I think

1030
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: he can't score touchdowns this year. He'll score more than

1031
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: zero this year. But I am a fan of Kenneth

1032
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: Gainwell being the breakout in this backfield, so I'm kind

1033
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: of out on both.

1034
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: Con Jim fr Yeah, similar here. You know, they are

1035
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 3: pretty cheap. They could end up posting high end RB

1036
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: two numbers, but it's just too risky right now. More

1037
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: more likely than not, they're going to end up being

1038
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: and very frustrating running back committees, so I'm a fan

1039
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 3: of just taking their backup. So yeah, like Jake alluded to,

1040
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: I'd rather target game Well much later. I mean, then

1041
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: with the Chiefs backfield, Yeah, I'd rather just take a

1042
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: flyer on like a Ronald Jones or even the Pa

1043
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 3: Checko home run, you know, flyer in the last round

1044
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: of the draft. But you know he's his ADP is

1045
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: going up quite a bit right now. But I'd rather

1046
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 3: just invest in like long shots in those backfields because

1047
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: there is a lot of potential there. But yeah, these

1048
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: guys still feel frozen.

1049
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 2: Pondie to me, I think I'm a lot more worried

1050
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: about Edwards z Wayer. I know the offense is saxy,

1051
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: I know, I know he looked great in college that

1052
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 2: final year, but like, let's compare him to Mile Let's

1053
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: just compare him to Miles Standers. Miles Sanders has averaged

1054
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: at least five point five yards per touch every single

1055
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 2: year of his career. Clide Edwards y Laire has never

1056
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: averaged more than five point one, and he dropped from

1057
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: five point one to four point seven last year.

1058
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: You know, I just don't I just.

1059
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: Worry that Clyde Edgards Laiir is just not as talented

1060
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 2: as you know, maybe he looked that final year at LSU.

1061
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: I mean it just really and because like Andy Reid

1062
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: is not an idiot, Like and if anyone could get

1063
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: the most out of a guy, it's Andy Reid. And

1064
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: like it just really and Patrick Mahome and it just

1065
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: seems like this is another one of those situations kind

1066
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: of similar to San Francisco, where you don't want to

1067
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: start with their back, you want to end it their back.

1068
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: So like I don't know how it's gonna kind of

1069
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: you know, the pieces are gonna fall, Jake to your point,

1070
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: Like you know, the cheapest guy a lot of times

1071
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: is Ronald Jones right now, and you know it's an

1072
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: offense that you know, could could present some touchdown opportunities,

1073
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: especially without known touchdown score.

1074
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill still on.

1075
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: The team, so he could, like he could be the

1076
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 2: goal line back because Edwards Laire aside from like that

1077
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: one high light against Pittsburgh last year we trucked two guys,

1078
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: has really struggled, you know, in the goal line.

1079
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 3: So and like that's the difference. Like Sanders, I don't really.

1080
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: Feel like like he's a bad goal line back.

1081
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 4: He just got really unlucky last year.

1082
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: But like Sanders has put up like Nick Chubbyard per

1083
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 2: carry averages like Miles Sanders when they started running the

1084
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: ball more last year was like looked amazing. So you know,

1085
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: Sanders to me, just as much as I hate to

1086
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: say it, because I liked Edwards the Layer a lot

1087
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: coming out, I just think Sanders passes the eye test

1088
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: more I think Standers. I just think Sanders is a

1089
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: better play than Edwards Lair. Both of them I don't

1090
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: want too much of, but of the two I would

1091
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: I think I would go Standers over Edwards Lair every time.

1092
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: At this point I would in that cass.

1093
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So now I know that I know

1094
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: Sean's gonna be excited about these oh year guys. But uh, Jacob,

1095
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 2: I'll let you start it off. And then what Sean

1096
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: wax poetic, But what are your thoughts on taking what

1097
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: is essentially the lesser half of a running back by

1098
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: committee that's still going with the ADP. In the top

1099
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: thirty two running backs, you have aj Dillon at RB

1100
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 2: twenty six. You have Kareem Hunt at RB thirty one,

1101
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: just requested a crede got denied. And you also have

1102
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: Tony Howard, the best back in the history of football,

1103
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: as you said, going to RB number thirty two.

1104
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: So I actually like this range, especially that the kream

1105
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: hunting worries me a little bit, but also worries me

1106
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: a little bit for the fact that last year we

1107
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: saw him step in for Nick Chubb and basically just

1108
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: still be cream Hunt and then all of a sudden

1109
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: he goes down Darrins Johnson got Bell cow work, like

1110
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: is that chicken the egg and like they just had

1111
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: nobody else left. But it's just weird that they didn't

1112
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: use Hunt quite in the full Bell Cow. So we're

1113
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: really like Dylan and Pollard more than Hunt, not that

1114
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: I dislike him, but just specifically in this range. And

1115
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: I especially like Dylan is because if Aaron Jones goes

1116
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: down AJ Dillon top ten, if Ze goes down Tony

1117
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: Pollard top fifteen, maybe even top ten, Like you're getting

1118
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: guys who if you go wide receiver heavy, draft a

1119
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: tight end early as well, you're getting guys that could

1120
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: be your RB two's, which again it's not the sexiest

1121
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: RB two, but it's somebody who you can plug in

1122
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: your RB two when you have a team built this way,

1123
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: who if anything happens now it's a league winner because

1124
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: you went wide receiver heavy, or maybe you went belcow

1125
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: RB a hero RB. You have one and now you

1126
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: have a second to mention with the fact that you

1127
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: have three or four wide receivers. So I love these

1128
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: guys as it sounds like Sean does as well. I'm

1129
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: more in on like if I had the rank them,

1130
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: maybe Dylan Pollard and Hunt. But I just I think

1131
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: these are always great picks every single year. And to

1132
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: be honest, like, I think there are some rookies and

1133
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: you mentioned Rashat Penny. For Sean Penny was further down

1134
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: into the thirties. The offense is killing him. But I

1135
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: think that you know, if he did what he did

1136
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: last year and Ken Walker gets hurt as a rookie,

1137
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 1: you can see him have top fifteen value two although

1138
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: that again that offense kind of hurts him a little bit.

1139
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think these are always smart player is

1140
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: to have.

1141
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: I'm by all means. So these are my three favorite

1142
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 3: backs to target. And you can check out my running

1143
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: back upside chart where I kind of grade each you know,

1144
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: backup running back based on their ADP, where I would

1145
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 3: rank them when the starting running back is you know active,

1146
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: and where I would rank them with the starter out,

1147
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: And all three of these backs have an A plus

1148
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 3: grade for me because you know where they're going at ADP,

1149
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: they're probably going to outproduce this even if the starting

1150
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: running back plays all seventeen games, so they should be

1151
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 3: able to provide you low end RB two flex value

1152
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 3: any given week. But as Jake mentioned, they have top

1153
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 3: ten upside whenever the starting running back misses time. And

1154
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: this is a very fragile position. Running back usually sees

1155
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: the most missed games. So I consider three these three

1156
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: backs anti fragile where you're essentially getting their upside. They're

1157
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: built in, massive upside for free. So that's why I

1158
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 3: love targeting all three of these guys. If I get

1159
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: all three of these guys in the draft, I'm very

1160
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: happy because I think at times, you know, one of

1161
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 3: these guys will probably producing you know, low end RB

1162
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 3: one value. So I just love stacking my roster with

1163
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: these guys with built and upside where again, even if

1164
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: the running back ahead of them were to stay healthy,

1165
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: they'll still outperform it.

1166
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: I think that that's a great point and a great

1167
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: way to look at it, and especially you know, because

1168
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: like I said this year, I think you do want

1169
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: to be aggressive with wide receiver that's just how the

1170
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: game is going. But especially this year, I think it

1171
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 2: would pay off to be aggressive in that in that

1172
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: top ten of wide receivers. I mean, if you could

1173
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: even get two of those guys in the top ten.

1174
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 4: I know, Jake, you said you like to get two backs.

1175
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: I don't actually mind getting two receivers.

1176
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: If I can get two in the top ten and

1177
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: taking a bunch of darts later, because I mean, you

1178
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: know this tier last year, like you guys mentioned guys

1179
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: that might not even make their respective teams this year.

1180
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 2: I mean, Mike Davis might not make the roster this year.

1181
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: You know, uh rahiem most It.

1182
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 3: I mean he will.

1183
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: Because the coach loves him. But yeah, I mean, you know,

1184
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 2: like these are all viles. Gaskin probably doesn't make the

1185
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 2: roster if Moster does, so it is deep I do.

1186
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: I will say this as I've been kind of you know,

1187
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: fiddling around with my with my projections. I think Dolan

1188
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: is the guy that really stands out to me because

1189
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: I kind of went back and you know, you always

1190
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: got to kind of assume, you know, we.

1191
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: Talk about it.

1192
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: You can't really predict injury, so you have to assume

1193
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: that Nick Chubb is going to play, you know, fourteen

1194
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: to sixteen games. You have to assume Aaron Jones is

1195
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: going to do the same. You have to assume Zeke

1196
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: is going to do the same. Now, when I you know,

1197
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 2: when I project what that would be like if those

1198
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: guys do, I actually have hunting powered pretty much rank

1199
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: it out where they are being taken. But AJ Dillon,

1200
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: I have him about five six spots higher, even with

1201
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones healthy, because number one of the three, Doon's

1202
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 2: the only one that was essentially witting carries, like with

1203
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: his partner from the jump. He's in an offense that

1204
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: just lost literally a third of its production. So it's

1205
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: gonna shift from like a pass heavy offense where one

1206
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: guy scores a ton of touchdowns to an offense that

1207
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: should still be good because you still have an MVP

1208
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: level quarterback taking you up and down the field, you

1209
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: still have a great defense, but now you're I just

1210
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: think they're gonna be a lot more rushing opportunities.

1211
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna be a lot more rushing touchdowns.

1212
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 2: And I think this is the year where we're finally

1213
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: gonna get our AJ doing touchdowns, not taking them away

1214
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: from Aaron Jones, but I just think there's like, there's

1215
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of touchdowns scoring Green Bay and Devancee.

1216
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: Adams ain't gonna be scoring him, and neither are like

1217
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: Randall Cobb and all these you know, Sammy Lakins. So

1218
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: like I, Dylan is the clear, you know, front runner

1219
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: of the man. He has gone a few spots higher

1220
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: an ADP, but I think it's I just think that's

1221
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: rightfully sone. I would still take him there, and then

1222
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: like you said, he has that added upside.

1223
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1224
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: Wow, if if Jones goes down, feelings probably the top

1225
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: one of all of them anyways.

1226
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 4: So love me some doing hunting powered.

1227
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: It's I like them, but I think they're actually being taken,

1228
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: you know, pretty much where they should be going, just

1229
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: based on the fact that we can't actually predict it.

1230
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know who else I would throw into this group?

1231
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 3: The you know, the least sexy guy that I would

1232
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 3: include this group is Melvin Gordon. He offers the same

1233
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: you know, he can sneak in RB three flex value

1234
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: most weeks, and then he does have high end RB

1235
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: two upside of Javonte. We're to miss time, but it

1236
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: looks like Melvin tweaked his ankle or foot something in practice, Todace,

1237
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 3: We'll have to see what's up with that. So Javante

1238
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 3: Twitter might be going off today in terms of you serious,

1239
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 3: But I would say Gordon's a sneaky candidate for this

1240
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 3: this group, that'd.

1241
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: Be a roller coaster I would throw. I would throw

1242
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert in this group as well.

1243
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely a cheaper version. Yeah.

1244
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: Hey, if we're gonna do if we're gonna do the arbitrage,

1245
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: then here we go. You have to keep with the

1246
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: theme of our podcast. It all leads back to Detroit Lion.

1247
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: If you if you like Melvin Gordon, then we got

1248
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: to just get Jamal Williams in this commers. Oh no,

1249
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 2: it is like twelve thirteen touches per game.

1250
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean talking like that. Oh yeah, no, No,

1251
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 3: normally I would agree, but they just brought in Justin Jackson,

1252
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 3: so that might still that point.

1253
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just brought in Justin Jackson. He had no

1254
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: job until now. Did you see first of all, First

1255
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: of all, did you see Williams the speech on Hard Knock?

1256
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 3: Okay, this guy is a leader.

1257
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: He's gonna get those leader carries like Adrian Peterson did

1258
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: that year.

1259
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: You know what, it doesn't matter if he averages two

1260
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: point six yards per carry? Can we add that ter

1261
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: a projection carry? I think we need a separate tag.

1262
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: Well, I'll went after the but uh, I'm half joking,

1263
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: but I mean that is kind of how you want to,

1264
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: you know, think about these things like you always want

1265
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: to find arbitrage opportunities for these different guys. So yeah,

1266
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: you know Melvin Gordon, Jamal Williams, you know Kaler Herbert.

1267
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: These are guys that you know could potentially perform what

1268
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 2: you you know, people wasting much higher picks are looking for.

1269
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 3: Jake, the young guns, you know, we have another kind.

1270
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: Of They're not exactly a tear because they were a

1271
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: little more out, but I kind of want to talk

1272
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: about them together. Of the rookies, and I'm counting Travis

1273
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: Etn as a rookie because he didn't actually play regular

1274
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: seasons last year. You have Bresaw at RB twenty two.

1275
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: You have Etn one spot later at RB twenty three.

1276
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: You have Ken Walker the third at RB thirty six,

1277
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: and you have James Cook at RB forty one. And

1278
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: I know there's some more guys but you know, we'll

1279
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: talk to us from some longer shots.

1280
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll say, but of these four that are.

1281
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: Kind of going in that top forty, who do you

1282
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: have is the best value relative to their average draft position?

1283
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1284
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: So that's the key here, is because Hall and Etn,

1285
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: for my rankings, are both just a tick behind where

1286
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: I like. I have them higher, but they're very close.

1287
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: James Cook very close. So the biggest gap I actually

1288
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: have is Ken Walker. I do think Cook could be nice,

1289
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: but Cook needs singletary to go down. He's gonna be

1290
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: used in the passing game. You know, they think they

1291
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: don't want to use singletary. Until late last year, some

1292
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: people have speculated there's been reports to the Speculator that

1293
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: Dable was part of the reason that singletary was never

1294
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: used as a bell cut. But whatever might be, I

1295
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: just don't think you want to use singletary as a

1296
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: bell cow. And that's why you draft James Cook, and

1297
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: that's why they flirted with McKissick. McKissick was on his

1298
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: way there and then changed his mind in return. So

1299
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: I think James Cook a step and I think James

1300
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: Cook isn't a twenty touch guy either. But You're still

1301
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: killed in a backfield by what is Josh Allen, Which

1302
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: what is the biggest part about Josh Allen is No,

1303
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: he's not running for a thousand yards like Lamar Jackson,

1304
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: but he is going to run half the time inside

1305
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: the ten, just like Cam Newton used to do his backfields,

1306
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: which Cam Newton had a valuable running back, but that's

1307
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: when he had a bell cow running back, which is

1308
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: what Devin Singletary was for some time. So I say,

1309
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: I'll have to say, that's why I'm in on James Cook.

1310
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: But my value, my rankings isn't much higher than this.

1311
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: I think that was Sean brought up earlier about what

1312
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 1: would be my rankings if the lead guy was hurt. Yeah,

1313
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: Cook would be much higher. Breese Hall I think should

1314
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: be a little bit, but not much so. It's Ken Walker,

1315
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: and I know the offense I talked about it earlier.

1316
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: Probably could struggle whether it's Gino or Drew Lock. Sounds

1317
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: like still Gino. It's probably not going to be a

1318
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: very high octane offense. It should be a bottom five.

1319
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: The offensive line isn't another question in this one. Ra

1320
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: Sean Penny look great. I love for seat Penny. Everybody

1321
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: tweeted Jake, it's finally happening for Sean Penny. But you

1322
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: draft ken Walker to be the lead, complimentary piece, and

1323
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: I think this is a backfield that could be a

1324
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: true fifty to fifty if you look at what the

1325
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: Broncos did last year with their Javonte Williams situation. The

1326
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: biggest concern to have and why he's the biggest but

1327
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: only by default, is because I have ken Walker's fringe

1328
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: top thirty just because he should be the lead. But

1329
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: you know this isn't the Broncos situation where I think

1330
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: ken Walker could be first second down, goal line, short

1331
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: yards and maybe twenty targets. I think ra Sean Penny

1332
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: could be the pass catching option with maybe one hundred

1333
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: carries because if they both stay healthy. Because ken Walker's

1334
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: struggles in college at the passing game are legitimate, and

1335
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: I think that if you've already seen reports about it, Yeah,

1336
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: he's made some plays, but there's been a lot too

1337
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: where just like in college, he turned around the wrong way,

1338
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: he dropped the pass. That was like, so it's ken Walker,

1339
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: but it's by default. Sorry, Barkley's bart, good old Barkley

1340
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: get excited at the end of the show. Somebody to

1341
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: just leave it a delivery here, but it's Ken Walker

1342
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: by default. All of them are not that far off

1343
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: from where I have them ranked.

1344
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sean, talk to me about you know these four

1345
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: young gunners Paul at ETN, Walker, and Cook, Who do

1346
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: you like is the best value?

1347
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 3: I think the best value has got to be James

1348
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 3: Cook just because he's going later. But I have no

1349
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 3: problem taking Breese Hall RB twenty two. He was my

1350
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 3: favorite rookie from this class. I didn't like the landing

1351
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: spot like the Jets, was not ideal. The offensive line

1352
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 3: could be a problem, and plus we have to remember

1353
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 3: this is the coaching staff is from the Kyle Shanahan

1354
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 3: coaching trees, so who knows how they're going to handle

1355
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 3: this backfield. But I think he certainly deserves to be

1356
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 3: a workhorse back this year, so I do like him

1357
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 3: at RB twenty two. I think Etn has a better

1358
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: situation on the Jags, especially it seems like James Robinson

1359
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 3: won't be healthy to begin the season or really at all.

1360
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's coming back from Achilles injury, and

1361
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 3: we know that's devastating for a back so I think

1362
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 3: Etn will be closer to a workhorse, and I think

1363
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 3: people realize and being a pass catching specialist is good

1364
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 3: when you're on the jagguars because there's even plenty of

1365
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 3: trailing game scripts. So I don't mind Etn at twenty

1366
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 3: three either. Ken Walker at thirty six, I want nothing

1367
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 3: to do with His value will depend on Rashad Penny's health.

1368
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 3: But when Penny is healthy, they're going to be splitting

1369
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 3: early down work Walker really doesn't have, you know, pass catching,

1370
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 3: past blocking skills or pass catching skills, so it's gonna

1371
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 3: be tough for him to find value in this dreadful

1372
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 3: Seattle offense this year. And then Cook, Yeah, he probably

1373
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 3: doesn't have league winning upside that we like to target,

1374
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 3: but in PPR formats he can certainly provide RB three

1375
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 3: flex value. When Devin Singletary's in there, obviously they want

1376
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: a pass catching back, so I think he's sneaky and

1377
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 3: that he'll probably provide a higher floor than these backs.

1378
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 3: So getting him outside of the top forty I think

1379
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 3: is probably the best value of the rookies.

1380
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: I love me some Cook as a player, but I'm

1381
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: actually with Jake. I do think that He's going to

1382
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: be a lot more like JD mckissic.

1383
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: Damn, people realize so like that, like that.

1384
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 4: That's something that like there is some value to that.

1385
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: But I mean I'm looking for a guy that you know,

1386
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 2: can kind of get those you know, twenty touches and do.

1387
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 4: Essentially, you know, what a guy like Risharde Penney.

1388
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: Did down the stretch last year.

1389
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: I think Breese Hall is probably the one I'm most

1390
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 2: comfortable with because like, you know, yes, he's gonna start

1391
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: out as like the one aid of Carter's one B,

1392
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: but uh, you know, if Carter goes down or just

1393
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: Paul plays well, I could see that turning into a

1394
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: situation where you know, Hall, you know, does kind of

1395
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: approach those twenty touches per game.

1396
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 4: He was my favorite back coming out as well.

1397
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: I think et N I'm a little bit I like

1398
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: the player, but I'm hearing some weird stuff out of

1399
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: Jags camp Man, Like I'm hearing that James Robinson might

1400
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: be the passing down back and that Etn might be

1401
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: used more as a runner because he was great at

1402
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: that great Yeah, and like also James Robinson is actually

1403
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 2: practicing and and and and taking he took his first

1404
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 2: first team reps the other day, so like, we're not

1405
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: out of the woods with this whole etn Robinson split

1406
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: just yet either Walker It to me, I like where

1407
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 2: he's going because like again, like yes, you can't predict injuries,

1408
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: but rashon Penny. I mean, this guy has missed almost

1409
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: half of his games through four years, and it seems

1410
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: just like when you have a Seahawks back like pet

1411
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 2: Kal gets y' all fired up to run the ball and.

1412
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 3: Then you go out and break yourself.

1413
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: So like it happened to Chris Carson, it seems to

1414
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: happen to Penny every year.

1415
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 4: So like I'll take the cheaper Seahawks back.

1416
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: I love Kenneth Walker and the Rookie of the Year

1417
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 2: market too, just because like if Penny just does what

1418
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: he does and gets hurt at some point, like they're

1419
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: still going to run the ball. You know, they still

1420
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: have two receivers on the outside at least that can

1421
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: keep the defense honest even though it shouldn't be a

1422
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 2: great offense.

1423
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 4: So I think Hall is the one I'm most comfortable with.

1424
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: Love Cook is a player, but I think he's more

1425
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: of a PPR guy. And then Walker I think could

1426
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: get you, you know, from RB thirty six to like

1427
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: RB fifteen, you know the very real possibility on that

1428
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: Penny goes down. But we'll close the show out with

1429
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 2: this favorite backs going outside the top forty at eightyp

1430
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: Jake Gump.

1431
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's I'm glad we didn't touch on there

1432
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: here because if we did top young rookie slash etn values,

1433
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: I want the other three we didn't talk about. I

1434
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: want Damian Pierce as a spiller and Tyler Algier. I

1435
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: think Algier could be the lead. It should be. I

1436
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: know they listed him like eighth on depth chart or

1437
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: something like that, but I compared him a little bit

1438
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: to a former Falcon and Tivin Coleman. Not ideally's one

1439
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: to one, but you just want to running between the tackles,

1440
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: taking on the hits. He loves to take on his

1441
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: just run through. He's like discount Damian Pierce, who's discount

1442
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry. I think Damian Pierce has some passing game upside,

1443
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: but another just lead running back. I think Marlon Mack

1444
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: has been overinflated by the fantasy community. In my opinion,

1445
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: I think he's a replaceable running back, he's good. I

1446
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: just don't think he's great, And not that I think

1447
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: Damian Pierce is great, but I think he has more

1448
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: explosiveness than Marlon Mack at this point. If that's a

1449
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: full blow committee, sure, but you're not paying a price

1450
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: where you have to worry about it because you just

1451
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: mentioned outside the top forty and then Isaiah Spiller. Now one,

1452
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: this is coming from somebody that was higher than most

1453
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: people in the draft process on Isaiah Spiller. So if

1454
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: you just disagree on the process of Spiller, but for years,

1455
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: what have we seen the Chargers trying to do find

1456
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: a complimentary take some share off of Austin Eckler. And

1457
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: they tried it with Jackson as you mentioned, who's now

1458
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: with Detroit. They tried it with josh uac Kelly, They

1459
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: tried it with Larry Rowntree. They finally found their answer,

1460
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: and they found their answer. Who I think that you

1461
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: can put Isaiah Spiller into the conversation with aj Dillon

1462
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: and Hunt, not in that tier as in the next

1463
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: group of tiers of maybe like a Herbert and a

1464
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon and stuff like that, where if anything were

1465
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: to happen to Austin Eckler, which has happened in the past.

1466
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: Holy crap, Isaiah Spiller on that offense. So the other

1467
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: three rookies that we didn't talk about, and then of

1468
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: course we're Sean White. We talked at the top of

1469
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: the show. But here's Spiller now's year. I'm a big

1470
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: fan getting a lot of them in the double digit rounds.

1471
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so get outside the top forty. Their end of

1472
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 3: season value really comes down to the health of the

1473
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 3: starting running back on the team. So that's why I

1474
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 3: like to do my upside rankings chart, right, great guys,

1475
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 3: you know, and I like to place guys in different groupings.

1476
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 3: And Alexander Madison is the first guy. Like he typically

1477
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 3: goes around the RB forty range, and he is the

1478
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: definition of a high upside backup bench stash where he's

1479
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 3: not going to provide you value as long as Dalvin

1480
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,959
Speaker 3: Cook is healthy. But once or if Dalvin Cook misses time,

1481
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 3: I mean he offers low end RB one value and

1482
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 3: we've known that for years now, so you can usually

1483
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: get a couple of games from him every year. So

1484
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 3: I love, you know, just drafting Madison as a bench stash.

1485
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 3: And the other guy I mentioned earlier, is Kenneth Gainwell.

1486
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 3: I kind of like getting these high floor PPR kind

1487
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 3: of backs, like a nikem heinz JD mcizick. But Gamewell

1488
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 3: has a unique opportunity where he can like actually leap

1489
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 3: froug Miles Sanders or at least eat into his workload

1490
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: more than we think. You know, it seems like he's

1491
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 3: going to be you know, the pass down back, which

1492
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 3: makes sense, but he could see goal line carries and

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01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 3: his role could expand, so he could offer you know,

1494
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 3: high floor and ceiling combos. So I like where he's going.

1495
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 3: And the last one is you're gonna hate me for this.

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01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 3: It's mark Ingram just because he has the clearest path too,

1497
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 3: potentially offering RB three flex value. We don't know if

1498
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 3: or when Alvin Kamara will get suspended, but that's a

1499
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 3: clear path to you know, potentially six games of starter value.

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01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: So well, you know, he's thirty two, he's probably not

1501
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 3: going to offer high end you know, RB two value,

1502
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 3: and he has some competition in that backfield. You know,

1503
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 3: he's one of those guys in this range where you

1504
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 3: can't really say that about any other back. So I

1505
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 3: like his clear path to six games of value with

1506
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 3: Kamara's potential suspension.

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01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like all those guys, Pierce has been

1508
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 2: kind of sneaking up the ADP. So I don't love

1509
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: that he's going so high. How do I think my

1510
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: like he's got a shot because that backfit is wide open.

1511
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 2: They only want to give past you know, maybe even

1512
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: less work than last year. But Avery Williams is playing well,

1513
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: which which does complicate things. And I know they have

1514
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: a plan for Williams, but but I've been taking some

1515
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: al year as well, you know, light love, which you

1516
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 2: said about game well Sean, Uh, He's kind of staring

1517
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: at me in some Best Ball drafts and I'm.

1518
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 3: Like, should I take the plunge?

1519
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: But I've definitely taken him, Like I'm thinking the same thing, Like,

1520
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, he could have a few weeks or he's

1521
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 2: just you know, that top guy for me, I'll go

1522
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 2: a little bit more off the mat. Well, first is

1523
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,879
Speaker 2: a guy I already mentioned, Jamal Williams.

1524
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 3: I mean he's still a.

1525
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: Guy who could get double digit touches just without anything,

1526
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 2: you know changing, And this is a top three offensive line.

1527
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 2: This offense should be much better. They should have you know,

1528
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 2: touchdown opportunities. So I think, you know, don't forget about him.

1529
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: It won't be sexy, but you know, I do like him.

1530
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about Justin Jackson. I think, you know,

1531
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: Jamal Williams always gonna be the number two. But they

1532
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: you know, Craig Reynolds, that's who I think is going

1533
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: to be challenged by Jackson, if at all.

1534
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 3: But some other guys, uh, I like.

1535
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,879
Speaker 2: Eno Benjamin, you know, you know Benjamin from all reports,

1536
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: it's kind of running away with that number two running

1537
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: back job. You know, we talked about Connor and the fragility,

1538
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: but how valuable this role could be in this Arizona

1539
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: offense anyway. So I think, you know, is an interesting

1540
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: guy who may even just work himself into the Chase

1541
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 2: Edmonds role, you know, full you know, full stop at

1542
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: which we know, you know that was you know, usually

1543
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 2: top thirty, top thirty five value, sometimes better than that,

1544
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: So he's free.

1545
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 4: I think you take take him as a dart throw.

1546
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 2: I also I do like Darryl Henderson because I do

1547
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 2: think that the Rams will run a lot more. I

1548
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: think it's a great offense, and I do think that,

1549
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: you know, there could be some room in this offense

1550
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: this year for for Henderson to kind of mix in

1551
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 2: more than we've seen, and I think, you know, if

1552
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 2: cam Akers do, you know, goes down, I think Henderson,

1553
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: at least for the short term, will be a guy

1554
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: that that that actually does hit that twenty touch mark.

1555
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: I don't think they do it long term, but I

1556
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: do like his upside there. Naim High. They've been talking

1557
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: offseason about getting him more touches. He keeps alternating between

1558
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: years of like fifty less touches than the year before,

1559
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: So this is an up year for him.

1560
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 3: Frank Wright seems to know it.

1561
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: But like you know, Naim's remember like a couple years

1562
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: ago when they were using him, he was like, oh

1563
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 2: my god, like this guy's he was scoring touchdowns, like

1564
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 2: he was doing all kinds of things. I mean maybe

1565
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 2: he even you know, eats into the tail or not

1566
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 2: like on purpose, like oh, they're gonna subtail out for him,

1567
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 2: but maybe you know, hin just happens to be in

1568
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: the game on a passing down and and they score.

1569
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 2: And it's times that scores.

1570
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 4: So I like that.

1571
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, anytime you can kind of hit the number

1572
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: one player in the game and you know, be anti

1573
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: fragile with that.

1574
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 3: I like it.

1575
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 2: Ty Davis Price another guy. He always take the cheapest

1576
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: nyer back and they drafted him on day two this

1577
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 2: year though, No, no, he yeah, that's true.

1578
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 3: Follow the logic the pass four seasons, Trey Sermon actually fished.

1579
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 3: I want I don't want running back. Downte pettis nothing if.

1580
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: This is old, Like where's justin first set the Ravens.

1581
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I one more guy, you know, rookie,

1582
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:05,719
Speaker 2: because again it's very profitable just historically to target rookie

1583
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 2: running backs, like you don't always know which one will

1584
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 2: hit to depending what kind of league format you're in,

1585
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: you could just kind of stash these guys on your bench.

1586
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: I do think robins Ryan Robinson's still worthwhile. Not that

1587
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna get like goal line carries right

1588
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 2: off the bat, but Antonio Gibson got three hundred touches

1589
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 2: last year.

1590
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 4: He did like lose efficiency.

1591
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: So I do think they they'll work Robinson in a

1592
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 2: little more than most rookies. And you know Robinson, you know,

1593
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 2: Matistic would be the only other guy there.

1594
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 4: He's kind of a certain type of back.

1595
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,799
Speaker 2: So Robinson does have some upside as well, if Gibson

1596
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 2: goes down and he's a lot cheaper than paying for

1597
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: you know what, could be a shaky offense, you know

1598
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: at RB twenty. So you know, just again, I think

1599
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 2: the moral of the story is, you know, target these

1600
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 2: rookies and target guys that are kind of locked into

1601
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 2: some some guaranteed touches.

1602
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 3: You know, once you get outside of the top forty.

1603
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 3: But this was a great, you know, really pat pod.

1604
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: But Jake, I know you got you know, I know

1605
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: you gotta a fiancee to get back to now, so

1606
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 2: let you.

1607
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 3: Go out of here. Just thank you so much for

1608
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 3: doing this. It was great. Tell everybody where you're at

1609
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 3: and what you're up to.

1610
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: Matt cloud nine fiance over at the Athletic. I tweet

1611
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: everything out at all in kiss the easiest way. But

1612
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: the rankings projection is over there customizable projections, which if

1613
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: you say, hey, I just listened to this entire podcast

1614
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: and Jake's an idiot, I'm going to go change his

1615
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: projections and auto sorts and redoes everything for you. So

1616
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: you just download that. But in the middle of a

1617
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: series of guys similar to Sean but in a different way.

1618
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: I really like that Sean does that, and I didn't

1619
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: want to steal that from him, so I've never done

1620
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: rankings that way, but I do an article every single

1621
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: year that's very It's in the same vein. It's guys

1622
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: who could be ones and then this is how in

1623
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: the likelihood of them becoming ones, not all of them

1624
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: involved injuries. So I think that's really good. I love

1625
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: that Sean does that, so it's a similar style to that.

1626
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: And then my favorite favorite one next week. Last year's

1627
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: trash the guys that burned you that nobody ever wants

1628
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: to go back to, but you should.

1629
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 3: There you going. Thanks so much, Jake, I really appreciate it.

1630
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: You guys can find showing on Twitter at the Underscore Oddsmaker,

1631
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 2: you can find me at Chris Raybond, and you could

1632
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 2: find us at those same handles in the free award winning.

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1634
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: Be sure to check out actionnetwork dot com for our

1635
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: rankings and projections, and we'll be back next week with

1636
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Speaker 2: some more episodes. Keep it going until next time.

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Speaker 4: Let's get this money