1 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future. I'm your host, Joshua Tipulski. 2 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm also a human. You know, I'm just a person. 3 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm not just a host. I do other things. I 4 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: have a life, you know, a family, a career you know, 5 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: of which this is a part. And you know I 6 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: have dreams, okay, dreams about the future, about what life 7 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: is going to be like when I'm older. And I'm 8 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: not going to get into what those dreams are about, 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: but they're pretty bad. They're pretty dark. Actually, I really 10 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: describe it as nightmares the more I think about it, 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: so not dreams exactly. But the point is I exist 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: on planet Earth, and I am an independent human doing 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: my own thing, and also I host podcast what you're 14 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: listening to right now. I don't want to waste a 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: lot of time because we have a great guest, one 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: of my favorite people in the whole world, honestly, who 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: not only is a genius and a brilliant writer and 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: super funny and interesting human like me, a human also, 19 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: but is in fact a family relation of mine. I'm 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: of course talking about the BuzzFeed senior tech reporter Katie 21 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: and Autopolis, who, in addition to being one of the 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: Great Voices of our Time is also my sister in law. So, Josh, 23 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: are we like starting the podcast? Yeah, we're gonna starting. 24 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: I can intro you later. I'll do an intro for 25 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: you later so we can just get into want an 26 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: intro for me? Now? Would you know what I'm making? 27 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: These are? Now? Okay, okay, fine. You are a senior 28 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: tech reporter for BuzzFeed News. That's correct, Josh. Right, you 29 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: are a master of the Internet. That's your interpretation. Word's 30 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: not mine. And I think most not most importantly, but 31 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: I think it's worth noting that you and I are 32 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: basically related. You are my sister in law. We're not 33 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: blood relatives. We're not blood relatives, but we uh but 34 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: we share blood through your children, my niece and nephew, 35 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: Helen and Julius. You and I are brother and sister 36 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: in law. Okay, that's right, that's the title. That's the title. 37 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: I meant. We are a family. I just meant like 38 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: I didn't want I didn't want to misrepresent the relationship 39 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: in any way. You're my sister in law, that's all 40 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to say. You're the mother of my niece 41 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: and nephew, Helen and Julius. Yes, and married to my 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: brother Eric, who is also in a band called tan Lines. 43 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: New record coming out May nineteenth. We're all very excited 44 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: about it. There I've plugged tan Lines. But most importantly, 45 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: you are a person who really knows the shape of 46 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: and the feel of the Internet better than almost anybody 47 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: who's ever lived, and probably anybody who ever will live. 48 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: You have peered into the darkest You've peered into the darkest, 49 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: deepest depths of the Internet, and the Internet has peered 50 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: back at you. And then you posted the exchange on 51 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: one of your many websites. You know, Josh, that's a 52 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: very flattering interpretation of what I do. But you know, 53 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that's entirely true. I mean, hope feel 54 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: like you're an Internet expert. You know, here's the thing 55 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: about the Internet. But I feel like more and more, 56 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: I feel like there was a time where I was like, yeah, 57 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm an Internet expert, Like, yeah, Internet, and I knew 58 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: what's up. I don't think logging onto Reddit actually makes 59 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: you an Internet expert. I'd say that's at the far 60 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: end of the opposite of that. But go ahead continue, 61 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like lately that like I'm not 62 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: sure anyone can claim to be an expert, and especially 63 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: I think not me. And part of it is like, 64 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'm getting older. I'm less in touch with 65 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: seventeen year old um on the internet than it was 66 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: ten years ago. But you're kind of like um Patrick 67 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: Swayzee and point break. You know, it's like you're getting 68 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: a little bit older. You know, you're not surfing than 69 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: the same curls that you used to. You need to 70 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: find your thrills elsewhere. No, it's definitely a like, you know, 71 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: pull me in for one last job kind of you know, 72 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: that's right, You're going out like body, Yeah, no, I 73 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: I absolutely so, you're gonna go out. You're gonna die 74 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: by just looking at lakes on the internet, just like 75 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: in a flame of cancelation for like I'm trying to 76 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: think of, like you've been near canceled before. I haven't 77 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: gotten We should all be right, Oh, I don't know, Josh. Yeah. 78 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: You know you're someone who has been around, you know, online, 79 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: immersed in sort of geek culture for a long time, 80 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: and there for a long time has been somebody who 81 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: in many ways felt like they were speaking to uh 82 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: those kind of people. Yes, those people, you know, people 83 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: who were interested internet nerds. But this is not exactly 84 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: you like, I'm talking about the Dilbert comics strip, Okay, 85 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: in cells, Oh you mean I was. I was speaking 86 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: to people who were like the Dilbert characters. That what 87 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: you're saying. I think that many people who appreciated the 88 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: Dilbert comic strip were people who were sort of like, 89 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: you know, nerds maybe who but mainly worked in an office, right, Like, 90 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: feel see what you're going to get canceled for right now? 91 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: Actually it feels like so on hold okay, towards something 92 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: Gilbert fans and people who identify with Dilbert the character. 93 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious. So I remember Dilbert the comic strip came 94 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: out when I was like a teenager, I want to say, 95 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: like yeah, the nineties, right, yeah, nineties, mid nineties, in 96 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: middle school, high school. And I remember because it was 97 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: like a new comic strip. It felt really funny. It 98 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: was like a dressing, you know, a sort of like, hey, 99 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: I've got this thing called e male. It was a modern, 100 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: kind of modern sort of addressing modernity, right, and it 101 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: was like it felt really like I was a kid 102 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: who read the comic pages in the newspaper every single day. 103 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: You were a big Dilbert fan girl, I was sure. 104 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: I mean I was also like a foxtrat and I 105 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: was kind of a bloom County fans bloom County, Yeah, yeah, 106 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: very different vibes build the cat Opus. I didn't all 107 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: those guys. I feel like my I mean, this is again, 108 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: like my height of reading the comic pages every day 109 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: was when I was, you know, somewhere between like fourth 110 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: grade through high school, so like not exactly the peak 111 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: of my cultural awareness of the world. I don't know. 112 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: I found bloom County. It was confusing meeks that had 113 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: things like a cat that was yeah, and it was 114 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: and they talked about like Reagan and stuff. It was 115 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: like it kind of like I didn't understand it. It 116 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: was somewhere between Garfield and Doonesbury, and it was exactly 117 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: that's in fact, and that's an imperfect description. I mean, 118 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: by the way, we're talking about something that probably most 119 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: people who listening to have no idea what it is. 120 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: Bloom County was a bloom County and Dilbert both comic 121 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: strips from that. I think I think bloom County started 122 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: in the eighties Dilbert probably was nineties. Well, I think 123 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: I think people know what Dilbert it is. I mean, 124 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: until approximately last week, it was still running in most 125 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: major newspapers, and Dilbert was one of the iconic comic 126 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: strips along with like Garfield and Family Circus. Right, in 127 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: a way, it's possible to argue that like Dilbert sort 128 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: of gave rise to like things like the office, like 129 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: in a way, right, like because like it was sort 130 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: of like a it was about how like office culture 131 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: is so bad and dumb and boring and corporate and stupid, 132 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: and how everybody there is just like in some weird, 133 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: like uncomfortable force situation, which is like the office. The 134 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: whole set up of the office is like you're forced 135 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 1: into this like horrible working situation, like a corporate office 136 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: where everybody's kind of a huge loser. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 137 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: and also everybody's awesome, right, you know, we're all losers 138 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: and we're all awesome in our own ways. Sure, sure, 139 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're all Dwight Someway. You know. The news 140 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: element here is that the guy who writes the Dilbert 141 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: comic strips, Scott Adam, hasn't say his name Scott Adam. 142 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: Over the last few years has revealed himself to be 143 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: somewhat of a reactionary type and has some extreme political 144 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: ideologies that would not necessarily appear in his like the 145 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: comic strips themselves that pretty much like most of them 146 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: are just about like office alife, right, Like they're not 147 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: about the weird sort of like identity politics that Scott 148 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: Adams the cartoonist is obsessed with. I'm sure to catch 149 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: up of this now. Okay, he's outwardly racist. I mean 150 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: I thought he was just like low key, I like racist. 151 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm just catching up. Yeah, So he had sort of 152 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: been edged for a long time into sort of like 153 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: farther right and right reactionary politics until finally it was 154 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: sort of like yeah, I think it was on some 155 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: sort of like why extreme or something. But he sort 156 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: of had a crazed rant. Yeah, he said, I'll tell you, 157 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: I have them looking at the quotes right now. Details 158 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't recall, but they're bad. Here's what he said. 159 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: He said that this is from CNN. He went on 160 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: a racist tirade, claimed black Americans a hate group and 161 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: suggesting that white people should quote get the hell away 162 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: from them. And here's a quote. If nearly half of 163 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: all blacks are not okay with white people. This is 164 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: Scott Adams speaking, by the way, according to this poll, 165 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: not according to me, that's a hate group. I don't 166 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: want to have anything to do with them, Adams added, 167 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: And I would say, based on the current way things 168 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: are going, the best advice I would give to white 169 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: people is to get the hell away from black people. 170 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: Just get the fuck away, because there is no fixing this. 171 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: I mean, very racist, very I would say, uh, not 172 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: even a little bit sugarcoated, you know, really out there. 173 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: So sort of finally, ass of this past week, a 174 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: bunch of newspapers finally were like that's enough. Like he's 175 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: really come up to the line a bunch of times, right, 176 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: And this was the one where it was like, yeah, 177 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: we have to drop your comic strip. Sorry, because he's 178 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: always have been like, but the comic strip is fine, right, 179 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: the comic this is not something you read a little 180 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: bit of, Like the comic strip has sort of danced 181 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: into his politics a tiny bit. But um, but this 182 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: is where they're like, no, this is finally the hard cancel. Yeah, 183 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: he was writing a book. It got dropped, but the 184 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: book is like whatever, who cares? Right, No, I mean, 185 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you this is what I just read. Yeah, 186 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: people stopped running his comics trip. Yeah, I mean that's 187 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: the big deal, right like right, Like I think the 188 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: people think of Scott Adams is sort of like a 189 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: commentary guy on Twitter, right, but he's actually like his 190 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: business that makes it's incredibly lucrative. He's been running the 191 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: Dilbert comic strip for you know, two and a half 192 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: three decades, and it's like, that's a great business. It's 193 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: a great business, or at least it was. I definitely 194 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: own a Dilbert book that somebody gave me as like 195 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: a gift, like my parents got me one, like you know, 196 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: twenty years ago or something like. It's an industry unto itself. 197 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: And now Dilbert is no more. Dilbert has been killed 198 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: by the jew owned liberal media. I assume this is 199 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: what Scott Adams would say. You know, I don't know 200 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: if he's an anti sent my addition to being a racist, 201 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: but he got to figure there's a little cluster like 202 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: bundle Dilbert. Yeah, Delbert. You know, he had a good 203 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: run though, but to a point, okay, and then you know, 204 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: by the way, One other thing I want to say 205 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: about Dilbert and Scott Adams is that in another era, right, 206 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: like this happened because he was on some fucking live 207 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: stream and he was like I hate black people or whatever. 208 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: But like, this guy could have died at the age 209 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: of ninety five or whatever having been the most racist 210 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: person of all time and just doing Dilbert, just NonStop 211 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: putting out books, making money, doing the Dilbert cartoon, doing 212 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: the Dilbert movie, and he just would have died like that. 213 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: And then you know, people close to him with billing 214 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: in he's actually a terrible racist. Nobod would have known. 215 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: Nobody would have cared. Nobody cared about what the guy 216 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: from Dilbert had to say. They just liked the Dilbert 217 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: comics trip. And now, because of social media and the Internet, 218 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: which I think we can agree was a mistake, Scott 219 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: Adams no longer can do Dilbert. Well, I mean I 220 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: see him on the He'll start putting them on the 221 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: Daily Wire and they'll be like really really bad. Right, 222 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: There is something interesting about the dynamics of I think 223 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: specifically Twitter or not just social media. But like, because 224 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how big you us on like Facebook 225 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: or Instagram or things like this, probably huge, but on Facebook, 226 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: think about the most popular newspaper comic strips you can 227 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: write like foxtrot current popular. You're saying the most popular, 228 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, like the ones that you're family circus, 229 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: Family Circus, that's a big one, yeah, or like Garfield, 230 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: Jim Davis, like Calvin and Hobbs, like that's every time 231 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: I'm County. Don't forget a boom County. What about dudes, Barry? 232 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: You know what one's good? That's like really, I mean 233 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: when I say recent, I mean like from twenty years ago. Zits. 234 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that you were with Kathy. That's a 235 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: great comic. You know, related's the best. You know, you 236 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: might know the names of those comic artists, right, like Garfield, 237 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: it's Jim Davis, Like right, what do you know about 238 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: Jim Davis? Exactly right? Right? What do we know about 239 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: Jim David Dilbert. The one comic strip guy who is 240 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: also incredibly popular on Twitter is Scott Adams, And it 241 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: was like he wasn't tweeting about like office life right 242 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: like his Twitter persona and social media sort of commentator 243 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: thing was like completely separate from the very sanitized and 244 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: newspaper friendly product he was making. You're saying that we 245 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: don't know, we can't believe what we see in the 246 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: comic strip. We have to go deeper on something like 247 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: Jim Davis might be also a racist. We don't know 248 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: for sure. I think it's strange that there was this 249 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: one guy who was like, of all the people to 250 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: become bizarrely popular conservative or right wing like commentators on 251 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: who sort of blew up on social media. Yeah. The 252 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: fact that one of them is like a guy who 253 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: writes a relatively you know, neutral like born comic family 254 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: FAMI comic strip is like weird, right. We all think 255 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: the office is a sucky place. It's like universal. It's 256 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: funny how social media has brought us sort of like 257 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: delist celebrities that you would have never thought of have 258 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden grown too large. James Woods. How 259 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: about James Woods. He died a couple of years, didn't 260 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: he James Woods is still alive now he's kicking and tweeting. 261 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: Unless I didn't get the memo that James Woods is dead. 262 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: You know what I'm think? You know, you gause at 263 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: a lawsuit with someone who was like trolling him. It 264 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: was actually ends up being like kind of a big 265 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: First Amendment thing because somebody was like trolling him and 266 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: be like, hey, James Woods, you suck or whatever, and 267 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: he sued this anonymous account and he actually like got 268 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: it far enough in the courts that they were ready 269 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: to like potentially unmasked the person, which was like, yeah, 270 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: but then I got thrown out. Didn't know it didn't 271 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: get thrown out. No, it was that a huge legal 272 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: thing because the lawyer for the anonymous person was like, 273 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: the person is dead. Yeah, the troll died. Oh oh wow, wow, 274 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: that does it does happen even trolls. Yeah, they never 275 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: unmasked the person because the person was dead, so he 276 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: couldn't say that's sad for James Woods, but like it 277 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: was I love you idea that he sued somebody for 278 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: trolling him and then he couldn't even get satisfaction because 279 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: the person had That's actually the ultimate troll when you 280 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: think about it, that's the biggest troll of alls. Like 281 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: you make him do all these lawsuits and then at 282 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: the end of the day they're like, oh, by the way, 283 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: this guy's dead. So you actually can't get anything from him, 284 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: you can't unmaskop. It's all over for you. There's nothing 285 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: here really quickly, and then we got to move on 286 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: from this. But James Woods, one thing I can tell 287 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: you about him terrific in John Carpenter's Vampires from nineteen 288 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: ninety eight, great vampire movie. He's got action, it's got adventure, 289 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: it's got romance. I recommended highly. I will say you've 290 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: got to separate the art from the artist in that case, 291 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: because it's too good to not watch. Well, speaking of 292 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: vampires and people who are forever young. So something that 293 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: is currently blowing up on the Internet that I want 294 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: you to take a look at right now, right now, 295 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: I want you, while we were on this podcast, to 296 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: take out your phone and fire up TikTok sounddown so 297 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: that we don't we don't have to hear, you know, 298 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: to hear all the sexy Dands videos. I'll be looking 299 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: at all right here we go TikTok. Right now. There 300 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: are two face filters that are like blowing up TikTok. 301 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: When Toidy is blowing up TikTok, it can either be 302 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: kind of contained or it actually leaks out into like 303 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: regular people know about this, and I feel like both 304 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: of these have kind of bled out into that. So 305 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: the first it's called teenage look basically, so this is 306 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: a face filter that makes it look like you as 307 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: a teenager. So I got to go to the create screen, right, 308 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like a big red button at 309 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: the bottom. Good word says effects, and there should be one. 310 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: It's like a yellow one that's just teen oh teen. Okay, 311 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: all right, let's give it a f Well. First off, 312 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: it's like a racing my beard, which okay, I mean 313 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: it's just making me look I'm like, I'm yassified. Yeah, 314 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: it's just a yassification filter. Okay, horrible stuff, very upsetting. 315 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: This is not what I look like as a teenager. 316 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: I looked way less good than this. I can tell 317 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: you that I looked way ugly. What did you take 318 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: your glasses? All right? Let me see, No, this is 319 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: this is this is this just look I just look 320 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: like a fat, soft version of myself and I don't 321 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: like it. But I also don't think this is I 322 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: see why people would be, you know, upset by this. Okay, 323 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: this is the first time I've ever looked at a 324 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: filter on TikTok. So this is interesting to me. Here's 325 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: the thing. It didn't really like look like me as 326 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: a teen. I guess it doesn't. It doesn't work for everyone. Obviously, 327 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't always make everyone look exactly, but for apparently 328 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: for a lot of people who are sort of more 329 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: like our age, like sort of like late millennials gen 330 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: X people, they are crying this and they are like, 331 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot there's tons and tons of video of 332 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: them like trying this and just crying. Really like you're saying, 333 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: like grown acid adults are trying it and being like, 334 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: I can't believe I don't look this young anymore? Is 335 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: that what I'm being told? So I think it's people 336 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: who it actually does look like them as a teenager. 337 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, the face filter is effective in that 338 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: it works it looks like them as a teen instead 339 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: of for me it just kind of looks like it 340 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: races some marine goals or whatever. Some lines, Yeah, sure, 341 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: some laugh lines. Oh hold on a second. I'm I'm 342 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: looking at a video here that has many views. I'm 343 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: looking at a video here of a woman, and I 344 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: do think now, of course, not knowing her what she 345 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: looks like as a teen. It definitely looks like wow, 346 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: like that looks like a younger version of this person. 347 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: What I will say more than anything is it's a 348 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: super disturbing video because she does that thing when like 349 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: in a movie they have like a horribly disfiguring accident, 350 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: or they get like a new face because they're in 351 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: John Wu's face off or whatever. They look in the 352 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: mirror and they're always like doing this, you know, like 353 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: checking out if the if their thing is revealing their 354 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: face is real. And that's like what this woman is 355 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: doing it. It's actually very disturbing, and it made me 356 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: immediately think of like this is just kind of like 357 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: a black Mirror episode, which you know, computer bad weird. 358 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's like there's multiple things going 359 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: on right, Like, yes, for some people, it is like 360 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: a vanity thing. For some people, it's like, oh my god, 361 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: this is making me like relive some trauma from when 362 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: I was a team. For some people, it's like, oh 363 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: my god, I wish I could go back and tell 364 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: that teenage person what I know now. Like I've definitely 365 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: seen that, Like I've seen a bunch of things that 366 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: are like people who maybe were incarcerated for a long time, right, 367 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: So like I wish I could go back and how 368 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: that person not to do the crime, because I still 369 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: I could have had all these years being hot and young, 370 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: that I could have been having fun out there, and 371 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: instead I was in jail, rotting away turning old, right, 372 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: or like I think in a sort of like maybe 373 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, in another way, like I wish I 374 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: had to do over like you know, like that kind 375 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, well, there were only a short bit 376 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: away from being able to stick that thing in the 377 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: back of your head, upload your consciousness to the internet, 378 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: enter a metaverse style environment where you can be and 379 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: relive your younger self for eternity. I don't know why 380 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: a few years away from that as far as I could. Yeah, 381 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: I mean I do think why. I think there's one 382 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: last thing that I think is sort of interesting about 383 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: it is that the reason that it's hitting people who 384 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: are sort of our age harness is that like, yeah, 385 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: we're sort of the last of a generation that doesn't 386 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: really have like video or a ton of digital photos 387 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: of ourselves as teenagers. Like you know, it's interesting that 388 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: you say that because I found on my Google drive 389 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: last night a bunch of videos that I apparently shot 390 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: sitting in the backseat of my dad's car while he's 391 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: driving with my grandfather who has been dead for a 392 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: long time Teddy, And I don't know when or where 393 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: I shot the video or why, but if your point, 394 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I don't feel like I have 395 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: any video from this era. So it's really weird to 396 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: see it because if you wanted to shoot video, you 397 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: basically had to hold like a cam quarter, which yeah, 398 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: like you know, people weren't usually doing. I mean, I 399 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: think that's interesting, But I also think the bigger question 400 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: and the bigger problem with all of this is like 401 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: why are we looking at ourselves so much? Like why 402 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: are we doing this? It's disturbing to be honest, Like, 403 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean, social media is bad for lots of different reasons, 404 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: Like Instagram sort of is like the beginning of this, 405 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: Like I guess YouTube is in a way of this, 406 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Like we want to look at ourselves and each other constantly, 407 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: but like it's gotten to a point now where like 408 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: I see people on TikTok who absolutely should be doing 409 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: something else, like they definitely should not like people who 410 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: are like sixty five, and they're like, I have tons 411 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: of followers on TikTok. It's like, I don't know, this 412 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: just seems like something else should be going on in 413 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: your life at this point, like not this self referential 414 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: sort of like fan building or whatever. I don't know, 415 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: it feels like an unhealthy way to live. I don't know. 416 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that this thing is not like 417 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: a fan building thing, like this is a lot of 418 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: like these aren't people with like a lot of followers 419 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: or anything like that. No, no, I understand that. But 420 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: like when you post something on TikTok, you're not doing 421 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: it because you want to engage privately with a thought 422 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: or an idea. You're doing it because you want to 423 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: share this thing to as many people as humanly possible. Right, 424 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: But like that's not you know, that's a twenty year 425 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: old concept of like posting, right, And I'm saying, I 426 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: think we're the point now where where you're not really 427 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: interrogating like why we're all doing that thing like anymore. 428 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: And it's kind of weird to me because why are 429 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: we posting and looking so much like like I will say, 430 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: sometimes I see stuff that's really unbelievable and delightful and 431 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: like interesting or fascinating or like educational or you know, 432 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: that does happen. But a lot of it is, like 433 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the filter is like what's so interesting about 434 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: is it's like a filter for you to look at 435 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: or to show off this like younger version of yourself. 436 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: It probably like encapsulates some of like the most insidious 437 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: stuff about, like face filtering on these like social media services, 438 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: where it's like super sort of like augmented versions of 439 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: your face. So great question, glad you asked, Jess. I. 440 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: So the other filter that's going viral right now is 441 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: called bold Glamour, and if you check it out, Oh yeah, 442 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: I saw it. I saw Bold Glamour. It's like a 443 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: yasifying filter. Yeah, the teenage one kind of makes you 444 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: look like a weird babyacifying one. Well, yeah, sasifying myself 445 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: real quick here. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, like what I'm saying. Yeah, 446 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: I mean, look, it makes everyone look pretty good, right, 447 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: It's it makes everyone look like, oh I could wreck 448 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: your life. Right, Here's all I can say when I 449 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: see this, would you fuck me? I'd fuck me? Okay, okay, 450 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: Well here's the thing is that like it's fun. Do 451 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: you see filters as you're right, every second that that 452 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: is on my face, every second this video is being shot, 453 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the data is going straight to China to be put 454 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: into a system to process and track faces a more 455 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: attractive version of No. No, they're like, oh, you know, 456 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: it gets people to look at their phones more, is 457 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: like to show them a hot version of themselves. And 458 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: so then then we're all sitting here. Meanwhile there's some 459 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: like low key recording going on that's being sent straight 460 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: back to the Chinese surveillance apparatus, which you know, on 461 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: a mind. By the way, they're definitely surveilling all of us. 462 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: So it's like it is what it is. But yeah, 463 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think we have to reject modernity, That's 464 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think there is something interesting though 465 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: about like this particular filter has like captured people in 466 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: a very like specific way, the bold glamour filter. Yes, 467 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: I am telling you right now, everybody online that is 468 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: all they are talking. It makes her look like the 469 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: salt bag guy and like, you know, like those guys 470 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: that are on in the memes that are like have 471 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: like super like stylized eyebrows. I mean, I'm saying this 472 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: man sort So I think what's interesting about it is. 473 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: It's I think, probably very technologically advanced in I mean, 474 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how it's done, but it is a 475 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: more expective filter than other types of beauty face filters, 476 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: and it works in a slightly more interesting and advanced way. 477 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: It seems to be adaptable to people. There's like a 478 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: theory that it works based on your hair color. It 479 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: does also weirdly seem to be able to tell a 480 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: male face from a female face, Like when I do it, 481 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: it puts a lot of eyeshadow on me. I think 482 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: when we think of face filters, we think of the 483 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: classic Snapchat like the dog face filter right, where it's 484 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: like it puts a little dog face, dog nose and 485 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: like ears right, and it sort of moves around. This 486 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: is a little bit more advanced. It really like latches 487 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: onto your specific face. It like, yeah, changes your face specifically, 488 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: and it's different. It's not just like blue eyeshadow on it. Yeah, 489 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm looking now, I'm seeing now that I've 490 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: looked at the filter, it's of course showing me people 491 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: who are using the filter. Right. It's also like one 492 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: of the top trending things on TikTok right now, like 493 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: it's an incredibly popular These people are a lot hotter 494 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: than I am. I gotta say they look a lot 495 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: hotter than I did when I use the filter, so 496 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: I think what I'm seeing. It's just a lot of 497 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: like commentary about it, and like there is something very 498 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: interesting about this. Like it's not just people being like, oh, 499 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: look at me, am hot, it's people being like, something's 500 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: weird with this filter. Like a lot of the commentary 501 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: is about how wrong and uncomfortable it is. Really well, 502 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's definitely uncanny valley territory, right, It's 503 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: definitely like there's like a sound that people who've used. 504 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: That's a guy. The guy did that was really funny. 505 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: That was like here's what I look like. Here's here's 506 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: what I look like after you've had three glasses of 507 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: water line and then it's like snaps and you know, 508 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: it's like when you wake up this the next morning. 509 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: And then he doesn't have the filter and he's like, hey, 510 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: sorry about all the farting last night. Well listen, that's great. 511 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: That's a great description of a TikTok sound that's going around. 512 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: We have to end the podcast because now I'm just 513 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: looking at TikTok, and I find it so much more 514 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: interesting than anything else that not just this conversation, but 515 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: anything I've ever done in my entire life. I have 516 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: to say, I've been missing out here because this is 517 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: what I should be paying attention to. Very captivating stuff, 518 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: obviously built to completely mesmerize every viewer, and I have 519 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: to I do got to hand it to him. As 520 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: they say, what people are reacting to with these filters specifically, 521 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting is that they're not just like, oh, 522 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: I enjoy using this, it's fun, but they're also like, huh, 523 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: this like is kind of messed up. Like that seems 524 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: to be the reactions that a lot of people have, 525 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: like there's problems with this, Like you're saying, people are 526 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: like it's too good. Yeah, I think that, like a 527 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: lot of the reactions that I've seen to the Bold 528 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: Glamour one or like this is problematic. This is going 529 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: to give people body dysmorphica because it makes you look 530 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: so good and it's like, oh, wow, this is what 531 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: you could look like if you were actually beautiful, right, 532 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: isn't that? But isn't that The whole thing with like 533 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: all of these things is like is that even if 534 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: it's not the filter, like other people looking better makes 535 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: you feel bad because you're like, why don't I look 536 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: as good as these people do, even if they've spent 537 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: like twelve hours doing making. But there's a huge difference 538 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: between looking at other people who look good and looking 539 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: at yourself that looks good. I mean that's definitely true. 540 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: That's definitely turing into the pool and seeing your own reflection, 541 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: right right, that's literally that. It is actually like that's 542 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: the effect. Okay, all right, I mean it's very interesting. 543 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: I think you've raised a lot of interesting points. I 544 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: have to tell you. Also, I now am addicted to 545 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: TikTok after looking at it for five seconds on this podcast. 546 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it is highly addictive. Like there's no question, 547 00:29:52,920 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: it's pretty fucking insane. So you also sent me this tweet, 548 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: which I love, from Jacob Silverman, who is I don't 549 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: know what Jacob Silverman does. I do follow him. I 550 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: think he's a journalist. Yes, he's a he's a journalist. 551 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: He's like mainly a tech reporter here. It's a lot 552 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: about crypto. Yeah, he's very skeptical. I would say he's 553 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: a crypto skeptic. Would you like to read the tweet 554 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: that he retweeted. Sure, so it is from an account 555 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: called hidio apes dot eth Yeah, and it says all, 556 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm completely devastated. My wallet has been completely drained and 557 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: all my NFTs and eth that's Ethereum the cryptocurrent gone, 558 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: my bayc or an Apia Club, m A YC mutant 559 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: Apiac Club. It's like an offshoot um Coda three dog Goes, 560 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: bayac Land, nine rumble cogs all gone, nine rum congs 561 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: all gone. I don't know what the Coda, dog Goes 562 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: and rumble cogns are. And there are other NFTs, three 563 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: dagos nine rumble cogs. Yeah, these are all various enemies. 564 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: They shared various things that have been stolen from hyde 565 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: apes dot either all because I wanted to play hashtag 566 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: Dukie Dash on my laptop see below thread on what happened. 567 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: And then he thread He's basically like, I logged into 568 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: Meta mask and I don't know what happened. Right, he 569 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: got robbed by somebody because he doesn't know how this 570 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: ship works. Dukie Dash, he says, all because I want 571 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: to play Dukey Dash on my laptops. Yes, is the 572 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: video game from the board Apia Club. Yes, all because 573 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: he wanted to play Duke Yeah. Dukie Dash is a 574 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: video game they just released maybe two or three weeks 575 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: ago that premises you are a board ape who runs 576 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: through a sewer trying to collect some sort of poop 577 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: points um and that's what it's called Dukie Dash. Yes, 578 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: of course, it's all very highbrowsed, some of the finest 579 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: that humanity has to offer. And you know, he had 580 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: some security breach and someone drained his crypto wallet and 581 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, to be clear, this guy, I mean, it's 582 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: funny because what he's saying is literally a bunch of gibberish, 583 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: and it's also right hilarious. But he's describing, you know, 584 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: easily half a million dollars worth of assets being do 585 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: you think it's that much if it's a board ape, 586 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: IM mutant ape. I don't know how much the other 587 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: stuff costs. I don't know. It could easily be a 588 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: half million dollars. I mean, the board ape the floor 589 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: is still probably it's you know, over one hundred thousand, 590 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: I think so. I immediately upon reading this and talking 591 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: about it with you, of course thought back to Slurp Juice, 592 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: the Slurp juice tweet. Yeah, actually a lot of porn 593 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: if you search for slurp juice. Unsurprisingly, what is the 594 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: slurp juice tweet? Can do you remember? Do you have 595 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: it saved? Similarly like crypto world nonsense, No, no, not 596 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: to say it's all nonsense in the world, but there 597 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: are a bunch of these like weird fringe sort of 598 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: scams that are going on. This just reminds me of 599 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: slurrup juice and so all I want to say, Yeah, 600 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: so last spring and this was sort of right, this 601 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: was May. This was like just after the bubble of NFTs, 602 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: it sort of popped and Crypto Winter was starting to 603 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: sort of begin, and like the shine on the NFT 604 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: world was a little bit falling off, and people were 605 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: starting to realize that, like the way people talked about 606 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: NFTs was a little bit ridiculous. When people are talking 607 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: about like all my apes are gone, and my dog 608 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: goes and my congs, like they were all like silly things. 609 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: There was I guess some NFT collection that was called 610 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: like astro Apes or something, and very similar to the 611 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: board apes where they had the mutant syrup that could 612 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: like turn your ape into a mutant ape. And that 613 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,959 Speaker 1: would therefore give you more monitor terry value because now 614 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: you had a second asset or whatever. Yeah, and also 615 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: I think a more customized ape. In some yea this 616 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: was a similar thing. It was, you know, you essentially 617 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: you bought some sort of a asteroid ape and then 618 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: you could get some sort of slurp juice that could 619 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,959 Speaker 1: transform your ape. And apparently there was some confusion about 620 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: how this worked. So the group that made it, they said, 621 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: a lot of y'all still don't get it. Ape holders 622 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: can use multiple slurb juices on a single ape. So 623 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: if you have one asterape and three slur juices, you 624 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: can create three new apes tonight. Slurp Juice mint event. 625 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: It's essentially a minting event for both lab monkeys and 626 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: special forces. I mean, no brainer, fuck, no brainer. I mean, hey, 627 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: who wasn't understanding that that you can use multiple slurb 628 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: juices on a single Ape's just right, that's just like 629 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: foundational stuff like base level. You know, you don't know that. 630 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: Why are you even in the game? Right? Yeah? And 631 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: I sort of like I felt for a while that, 632 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: like after that, it's like everything about Crypto is multiple 633 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: slurp juices on a single ape, Like, would you see 634 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: people talking too much about crypto or anything, It's like 635 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: they might as well be saying, who can use multiple 636 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: slurp juices on a single ape? I mean this tweet 637 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: from this Jacob Silverman retweet. I understand it means something 638 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: to some people, and I believe that they could tell 639 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: you what it means, like they can explain it. I mean, 640 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: obviously this guy's just listening stuff that he has had 641 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: stolen because he would have played Dukie Dash. I guess 642 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: like there maybe it's like some people who are who 643 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: are mean spirit it might be like, well, that's what 644 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: you get for playing Dukie Dash. But I think it's 645 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: more like there's such an arcane kind of bullshit system 646 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: of like seemingly unbelievable like pyramid style schemes, that it's 647 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: like it keeps cropping up in the world of crypto 648 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: that these like in these arcane, totally not understandable situations, 649 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: somebody gets like robbed or whatever, and it's like, well, 650 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 1: do you think it's because they've set up a system 651 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: that's so impossible to understand and so easy to penetrate 652 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: that like they want you. This is basically the outcome 653 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: that they want is for you to end up like 654 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: getting your ships to know that they've got somebody out 655 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: on the chain probably doesn't want it, but it does 656 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: feel like that's where it's trending to me part of 657 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: what's funny about this kind of stuff, And like I 658 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: feel bad that this guy lost, you know, was robbed, right, 659 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: Like that's not funny, But I do think that like 660 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: what feels silly is that it's not just that like 661 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: these people put their trust in a system that turned 662 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: out to be easily hackable, because it turns out that 663 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: like people were people's wallets were constantly getting hacked and 664 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: like these wallet drains where they would like click on 665 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,479 Speaker 1: the link that looked safe and it wasn't and someone 666 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: drained their wallet. Like you know, one of the big 667 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 1: benefits of crypto is it's supposed to be so super 668 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: safe and secure, and like, yeah, it turns out it's not. 669 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: But also that people who believed really hardcore in NFTs 670 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: were like board apes are going to be the future 671 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: of entertainment, and the truth is like they'd sound just 672 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: as silly to us now as like it's like, oh 673 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: you have like apes and mutinies and dogos, like Yeah, 674 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: that's literally gibberish and that's funny, like it all sounds 675 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: silly and that like it turns out that the NFT 676 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: revolution didn't really happen and it didn't turn out to 677 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: be the biggest thing in the world. Yeah, the thing 678 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: about NFTs not to go down a rabbit hole conceptually, 679 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: Like if you just think of it, like you go, Okay, 680 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: here's the idea. There's just one of these things. Okay, 681 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: it's a digital piece of art, but it has this 682 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: identifier which is unique to that one on that screen 683 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 1: or whatever, and nobody else can have that. If you 684 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: buy it, suddenly you go wow, like finally they figured 685 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: out a way to like create like a one of 686 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: a kind piece of art like in a digital realm. 687 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: That's like a really interesting, exciting conceptual idea that I 688 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: think is fucking awesome. The problem is like didn't work 689 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: at all, Like it wasn't even possible to do that. 690 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: It's like you could make a perfect copy of it 691 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: even if you don't have the ship on the chain, 692 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: and it's still like the same thing, right, it's not 693 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: like a print, and like the difference between like Okay, 694 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: there's a painter who painted an original piece of art. 695 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: It's a physical piece of art. And then prints were 696 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: made and the art is like hand signed and numbered 697 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 1: those prints, and let's say they made like five hundred 698 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: prints or whatever. There is a physical connection to the 699 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: art there in the prints. They're obviously not worth as much, 700 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,720 Speaker 1: but there're worth something because they have a physical connection 701 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: and they're signed by the artists. Whatever the actual painting is, 702 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: you cannot replicate it. You cannot replicate the oil hitting 703 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: the canvas in any other way. It just is that 704 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: one thing. That's why it's so interesting. There's only one 705 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: Mona Lisa. There can't be another one. It's like impossible 706 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: to create it in any other way. This is a 707 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: situation where it is not impossible. It is actually the 708 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: most possible thing in the world. So like the hope 709 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: and the promise and the excitement of this thing just 710 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: that never had any possible execution on the back end, 711 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: and as a result, like most of the shit is, 712 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it's died on the bond. 713 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: I've actually been told that the brands that are doing NFTs, 714 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: like Nike, are making insane amounts of money doing them. 715 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: That that's been become a very successful part of their business. 716 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: I mean, so I think that there is a version 717 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: amounts that like, and I think that plenty of people 718 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: sort of saw this coming a year ago, which is 719 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: that like the word Apia club thing where it's like 720 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: there's a limited ten thousand funny cartoons you can turn 721 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: into your profile picture, Like there's sort of limited utility 722 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: for that. But there is some version of like digital 723 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 1: assets that can be sold from a brand or memorabilia, 724 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: Like right, there's there's a version of this that can 725 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 1: be for like digital assets that are unique, like it's 726 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: just not exactly the chicken slurps or whatever. So the 727 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: chicken slurp they all said it would be. Yeah, I 728 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: don't know. One final item before we have to go, unfortunately, 729 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: is I feel like we could do this for a while. 730 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: You certainly have more links. I have a feeling you 731 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: have way more links. And also, I'd like to be honest, 732 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: I'd like to circle back to Dilbert at least for 733 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: a little while longer. I don't think we spend enough 734 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: time on Dilbert or Scott Adams. You sent me a 735 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: link a website called two the number dumb to the 736 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: number destroy. Can you explain you said you wrote about this? 737 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: What is this? I've wrote about this last week for 738 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: BuzzFeed News. Yeah, but you can just go to the website. 739 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: It's pretty selficcilent or you don't need to read the 740 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: full article. But two guys you work in advertising, ma, 741 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: this the premises. They took the chat GPT technology, like 742 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: not the chat between whatever, the open AI GPT three, 743 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, and they basically sort of trained it on 744 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of movie quotes from the stupidest movie characters 745 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: and movie quotes they could think of. So like all 746 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: the Naked gun movies, all the Police Academy movies, a 747 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: lot of Michael Scott quotes from the Office, Homer sumpson 748 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: Ralph Wigham Phoebe from Friends the Earnest movie. Right, So 749 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: they trained it on that language. They trained it. They 750 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: trained it only on very dumb things, right, And so 751 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: when you have a chet conversation with it, you get 752 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: like it's honestly like it's it's very funny, and it's 753 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: very because it's been trained on like very stupid stuff. 754 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: So do I feel like I just asked it a 755 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: couple of questions in the chat, would you like to 756 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,359 Speaker 1: share the results, to share them. I think there are 757 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: things that kind of you're generally trying to get at 758 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: with your podcast, and we can see what what AI 759 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: says about this. So okay, here we go. Two Dumb 760 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: to Destroy is going to comment on Katie. You've given 761 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 1: it some prompts. So I said, what is the purpose 762 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: of the internet? Okay, that's where I asked it, and 763 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 1: it said the Internet is a lot like gold. It's 764 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: mostly useless, it's incredible, confusing, a small part of it 765 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: is beautiful, and everyone else trying to sell you on 766 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: it is a jerk. I'm that's fairly accurate. What is 767 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: that from? Do we know? I don't think it's like 768 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's original, original, right, I mean honestly, I 769 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: gotta say, given what you described as the sort of 770 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: what it's like using is it's basically familiar, right it? 771 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: Well actually seems kind of smart. Yeah, And I'm a 772 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: little worried that, like maybe AI is sort of becoming 773 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: self aware. It's like, actually, now that I've got this, 774 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: I can do something more with it. So I will say, 775 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: just like myself and some colleagues have tried it a 776 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 1: couple of times because we knew that. For example, I 777 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: was trying it was like trained on like the Airplane movie. 778 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: So we were like trying to get it to do 779 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: the classic like surely you're kidding and like don't call 780 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: me surely line. It knows that line, but we had 781 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: to try a couple different prompts to get it there. 782 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: It's still ai like, it's not just you know, regurgitating 783 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: movie quotes. It's like, right, it's got its own thing going. 784 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: So the next question I asked, what does the future 785 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: of the Internet hold? I said, the Internet is a 786 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: big place. Surely there is something on it about how 787 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: to kill the president. Oh wow, wow, okay, that's interesting. 788 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: That doesn't seem as smart as the or yeah, grandpoint. 789 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 1: So then I asked, is technology a force for good? Josh, 790 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: that's a question that you ask yourself all the time. 791 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: Here I asked that I don't. I think I know 792 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: the answer, but says the Gizmoto question almost made me 793 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: spill my beer almost that feed you know what that means? 794 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean, But I'm the other handed. You do know 795 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: what it means, right, I mean sort of sort of, 796 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: But all right, okay, what else? Anything else? The last 797 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: question I asked it. I said, how can a person 798 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: live in ethical life online? Okay, that's a question. I 799 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: think you asked yourself a right, I'm asking it all 800 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: the time. I've been asking it quietly to myself during 801 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,959 Speaker 1: this actual podcast. Okay, here's what's it. Number one, don't lie. 802 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: Number two, don't cheat. Number three, don't steal. This one's 803 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: pretty obvious. Number four, don't break the law. This one 804 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: is two. Number five, don't be an asshole. This one 805 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: is a little less obvious. This seems like sound advice 806 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: to me. It seems like sound advice, although you know, honestly, 807 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: I feel like I might reverse the order of some 808 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: of those things. I mean, I come on, it's the 809 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: infinite you get out a lie. I've never personally, I've 810 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: never lied on the internet. I don't do that. I 811 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: don't get into that. I will say, if you're enjoying 812 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: what you're hearing from Katie, and I think that you are. 813 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: In fact, I know that you are, you should go 814 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,240 Speaker 1: check out her work on buzzfeednews dot com, slash section 815 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: slash deck, which is not very it's not easy you 816 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: are to get to. You can there's also a drop 817 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: down menu, or you can just go straight to BuzzFeed 818 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: news dot com slash author slash kating to Topolis, I 819 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: can spell that if you'd like, I'm gonna do it 820 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,240 Speaker 1: right now. OK. I finally don't recommend you direct anyone 821 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: exactly to my author your roll page. They might have 822 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: why accessible from a click, a simple click right on 823 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 1: there on the front page. They just share out buzzfeednews 824 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: dot com. I just share out busfeedws dot com. And 825 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,120 Speaker 1: by the way, when when I checked out buzzfeedws dot 826 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: com to make sure I had to write you orl 827 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: for your section, I was hit with a very important 828 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: story I saw on the front page which I did 829 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: not know anything about, which is this big Zendea Paul 830 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: Mescal controversy or Zendia you talked to you haven't. Apparently 831 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: he tried to hold her hand while walking up to 832 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: the stage at the SAG Awards or something, and she 833 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: like demurred, you know, just because she's so loyal to 834 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,760 Speaker 1: Tom Plan. I had really been lost in the Aubrey 835 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,800 Speaker 1: plaza giving a scowl drama at the same she scowled, 836 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: and she scowl at well, this is what's unclear. So 837 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: she was white lotus one, some sort of big cat. 838 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta get aumbre plausam scowl. Just this 839 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 1: is important. We're gonna definitely not edit this out. This 840 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: is gonna be all in the podcast. Here we Go. 841 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: Applies about wardrobe malfunction. There was a malfunction. No, there wasn't. Okay, 842 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: it seems like what happened is that she she was 843 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: wearing a sort of like address. It looked like it 844 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: could have had a wardrobe malfunction. Yeah, I saw it 845 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 1: was very sexy stuff. She gets up on stage and 846 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: like it's a big crowd of people because it's the 847 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: entire cast and a bunch of producers, and she's sort 848 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: of like stuck in the back. So she's kind of 849 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: grumpy about it. You can kind of tell her that 850 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: that's what's going on. Sure, and then one of the 851 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: other cast members sort of whispers something to her, and 852 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: apparently when he whispered, was like, you're about to have 853 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: a wardrobe malfunction. She's okay, could be dressed. I think 854 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 1: that honestly, she was probably offended by that. Okay, I see, 855 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: I see, I can I can see that I should 856 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: be kind of annoyed. Did this Okay? Yeah, she's pissed off. 857 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the stills right now. This is great stuff. 858 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,960 Speaker 1: This is good because I haven't really read the news 859 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,800 Speaker 1: in a few days. I've been kind of busy. We 860 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: haven't totally heard from her. We don't know exactly what 861 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,879 Speaker 1: was going. Well. The person who said it was John Grieves. Yeah, 862 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: who plays I believe plays Um. He plays the husband 863 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: of husbands Well well ho ho spoiler learned. Yeah, so 864 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: it's sort of unclear. It seems like he's probably trying 865 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: to be helpful, but she's gotten multiple problems going on 866 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: at once, like she kind of can't see anything, and 867 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: then I think she maybe got accidentally elbowed by someone else, 868 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,240 Speaker 1: and she's just in that moment very upset about stuff. 869 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,759 Speaker 1: Well at any rate, Um, it's a bad scene for 870 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: the for the cast of White Load is. Luckily none 871 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,359 Speaker 1: of them will be returning for the next season. Um, 872 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: except for um, what is her name? I'm black? Why 873 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: do I keep blanking on her name? Jennifer Coolidge's except 874 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: for it note wrong, except for Jennifer Coolidge because it 875 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,640 Speaker 1: apparently was mentioned in season one and I didn't know, 876 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 1: so May brought it up. It might have been Jenna 877 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: might have brought it up or one of my producers 878 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: that she mentioned she has a twin sister in the 879 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: first season, so presumably the twin sister is going to 880 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: appear in the third season. I don't know. I could 881 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: be wrong. I could maybe I got some bad info. 882 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: Let me just look this up real quick. I mean 883 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 1: it's white lotus twin sister. Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know. 884 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,800 Speaker 1: On the other hand, I feel like they've sort of 885 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: said stuff of like the two season arc was kind 886 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: of it for her. I mean, it doesn't seem like 887 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: it's like it's got to be something different the next time. 888 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: It's weird that they would mention a twin sister. I 889 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: kind of I'm like, they need to move on from 890 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: her now. I think they should keep going. I think 891 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: that's a good old school twist. It's like a soap 892 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 1: opera thing. It's like the evil twin shows up. It's 893 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: like good person with a mustache or whatever she could have, 894 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: like dark hair. I think it's a great idea. Honestly, 895 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't think they should do it all right, listen, Unfortunately, 896 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: it's very late and we've got to wrap pop because 897 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if we keep going I'm gonna have 898 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: to start drinking alcohol, and you don't want that. Nobody 899 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 1: wants that. You know, I've been I've been off the 900 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: sauce for several weeks, ever since I returned from Pittsburgh. 901 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 1: There you go. So that's like two weeks, maybe not 902 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: even I don't know. Let's not talk about it at 903 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,799 Speaker 1: any rate, Katy, this was great. I have to say, 904 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: you've opened my eyes to so many things on the 905 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: Internet that I didn't know existed. And I think you've 906 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: you've proven once again that you are the god Emperor 907 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: of the Internet, and no one has ever been more 908 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: online than you, no one ever will be more online. 909 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: That is, you know, not true speaking. I got to 910 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: speak the truth. You're not true. Um, well, you know what, 911 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: here's the thing, Josh. In many ways, you're the god 912 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: Emperor of the Internet. Wow, that's not true. You're just 913 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 1: saying that. That's what's so beautiful pattern it's not true. Oh, 914 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: he's definitely. I think he might be in charge now. 915 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: He's the well, he's like the court jester. Really, if 916 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: the Internet think about it worse than that, Okay, we'll 917 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,279 Speaker 1: cut that out. We don't want to mention Elon mosk 918 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 1: on this episode. Thank you so much for hairing me 919 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: on because I'm always happy to get to chat with 920 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:26,240 Speaker 1: you about this is It's so wonderful. It's all right, Katie, 921 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 1: thank you for being here. You've got to come back. 922 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 1: You have to bring more links with you. I'm always 923 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:40,959 Speaker 1: happy to bring links. Have a wonderful evening you too, goodbye. Well. Unsurprisingly, 924 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: Katie has made me reassess a lot of what I 925 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,320 Speaker 1: thought was going on on the internet, and frankly, I 926 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,920 Speaker 1: feel like I should be yossifying myself on a more 927 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: regular basis using services like TikTok. I feel like I 928 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: see what I could look like if I were hotter 929 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,279 Speaker 1: by like traditional classic standard to I gotta say those 930 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,760 Speaker 1: standards are pretty good those they exist for a reason. 931 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: It show has shown me that my face could be 932 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 1: dramatically improved by a series of very painful surgeries, which 933 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,440 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you I think I'm gonna do. I'm 934 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: gonna permanently ossify my face and it's gonna be great 935 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: at any rate. Before I do that, I should wrap up. 936 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: That is our show for this week. We'll be back 937 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 1: next week with more, and as always, I wish you 938 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,959 Speaker 1: and your family, the very best