WEBVTT - Do men and women have different brains? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to you stuff you should know friend House Stuff 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:10.800 Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.600 Josh Clark. There's Charles Chuck Bryant, and this is stuff 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:23.479 you should have grant women's brain, man's brains friend, Yes, yes, 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.240 Chuck zombie Chuck? Now that was what was it? Tonto 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:32.520 Frankenstein And yeah, yeah, I know we've talked about this before. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:37.080 I can never remember, Ponto Frankenstein. Oh man, why are 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:43.160 you doing this to us? There's somebody screaming at their alright, 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:48.000 Conto Frankenstein. Yeah, well's just get on with it. I'll 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:53.479 remember as soon as I look at up Tarzan boom. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.120 That's it. I don't have anything. I just sturb it 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.400 my all your little man's brain with all the great 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:04.319 matter parted out. Honest, this is a very god this 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.920 is gonna be touchy navigating this one. Well, the implications 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:15.120 are really huge, you know, especially not necessarily the scientific implications, 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.000 but the potential policy implications of misguided people who don't 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.600 understand what they're hearing. Yeah, but I say this as 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.119 our general This is what I gather from this whole 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:29.280 thing is it sounds like men and women's brains are different, 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.360 and who cares. Men might be better at some things 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.360 and women. Women might be better at some things and 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:39.039 men women might process this faster, men might process this faster. 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.760 Who cares. That's why we're all here together to put 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:48.200 these brains together to lead us forward into the future. Like, 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.360 don't get all worked up about it. Women are seems 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:51.760 to be better at some things, and men seem to 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.680 be better like big well, and some of them supposedly 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.920 are like very cliche. Sure, Like men supposedly are better 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:03.400 at orienting objects in space in their mind, and that 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:08.160 means you can read a map be Women are generally 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.280 better at language tests, which probably means that they may 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.800 be better at communicating things. Okay, so I really really 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.800 feel though we should caveat this with this is a 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:23.480 look at the state of a pretty nascent field still 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.640 comparing the brains of men and women like. It was 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:33.560 only in the nineties that um A Dr. Sandra Whittleston 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.000 started comparing more than a hundred normal men's and women's 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.800 brains and actually accidentally stumbled upon the fact that they 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:45.960 are different in their their organization the makeup. And since 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:49.160 then it's been such a touchy subject that there's still 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:53.160 a lot of the field who won't say anything more 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.400 than that may be true, but um, there's really no 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.160 difference or whatever. And there's people that they're starting to 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.160 get louder and louder they're saying, no, there are differences. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.320 It's not necessarily an intelligence. It's not necessarily in cognitive ability. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.760 I will even go one better and say, I'm not 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.040 even willing to say that women don't read maps as 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:19.560 well as men, but there are structural and compositional differences 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.520 between men's and women's friends. It's been improven and what 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.480 are the implications of that? Yeah, And I say, like, yes, 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.560 study this because there are so many benefits you can 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:33.639 garner from learning more specifically about everything. But exactly so, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:35.840 that's kind of where we're at right now. We're just 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:40.080 reporting on the state of this Nason field and and 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:41.760 a lot of it's not improven, but one thing that 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:43.640 has been shown and we I really feel like we 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.840 should kick it off with this. If you if you 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.880 look at longitude longitudinal studies, huge studies UM that have 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:57.640 been done over the decades UM, and you compare cognitive 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:03.360 abilities intelligence between boys and girls, the differences are almost 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.760 negligible overall. Yeah, I Q score stuff like that. It's 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.440 all about the same, right, And Um, there's differences, say 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:17.080 between math skills and um, between boys and girls and 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.839 those we don't even know whether those are culturally bound 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:21.960 or what. But we'll we'll get to that. Let's talk 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.000 about how the brain is different, because, like we said, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.039 that has been proven men's brains and women's brains do 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.640 differ in some ways. Yeah, and um, like you said, 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.320 this is new. For a while, they've known that they're different, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.960 but they used to think it was sort of justin 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:39.960 the hypothalamus where uh, sex drive and food intake are controlled. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.760 And that seems like such a kind of a cop out, 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.400 Like you know, their brains are different because men like 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.960 to eat more and have sex more. Well, I mean 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.480 it's not true. The structurally they are different. There are 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.880 the super chismatic nucleus is different and that helps regulate 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:59.919 reproductive cycles for katiean rhythm. Um, there's different patterns of 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:05.960 androgen receptors, uh, which are responsible for sexual preferences. Um, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:12.080 there's there's there's two times more UM like neurons and 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.920 cells in certain areas in the hypothalamus of a man 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.760 than a woman. So they are different. But that's what 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.320 they thought for a long time, like that was the 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.520 only difference in the brain. Yeah, and they've also found 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:27.640 out that taking into consideration weight differences and height differences, 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.320 men's brains are probably a little bigger. But that doesn't 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.960 equate to intelligent or cogni abilities. It's just one of 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.920 those things. Now, remember the myths of the brain episode 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.279 we did. We were saying, like, humans don't have the 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.880 biggest brain a whale does, but it's all about ratio 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.520 body size. Well, we missed something. It's about the ratio 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.000 of neurons to body size more than brain size. I 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.880 think someone pointed out who was it. It was some 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:58.119 animal that kind of disproved it was just the size. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.760 I don't remember what the animals, I wonder. Two people 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.800 wrote in with that. Okay, so this this actually kind 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.880 of raises a very troubling question I did at first. Well, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.160 wait a minute, if a man's brain is bigger than 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:12.840 a woman's, and even if you take into account like 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.480 weight and height and all that stuff, it's still larger, 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.000 then you know, does that mean that men are smarter 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:24.200 than women or should be? No? Why? Well, because in 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.640 two thousand one. They found that certain parts of men's 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.480 brains might be larger or smaller, certain parts of women's 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.839 brains are larger or smaller, and that could balance out 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.720 the overall difference in In the end, that's why you're 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.080 not gonna see any kind you know, any differences on 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.200 like intelligence levels and stuff like that. So parts of 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:48.039 the frontal lobe um, which is decision making, problem solving, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.600 and the olympic cortex, which is for regulating emotions, are 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.800 larger in women, whereas in men the parietal cortex, which 0:06:55.880 --> 0:07:00.080 is space perception in the amygdala, which impacts sexual if 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.320 you're in social behavior, were larger. So certain parts of 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.719 arge a bigger, parts of the ladies are bigger. Okay, 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.200 there's another big difference that they found. Um, men have 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.240 about six and a half times more gray matter, which 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:17.920 is neurons, than women do, but women have about ten 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.560 times more white matter, which is the connections between those neurons, 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.360 than men do. That's right, and it seems that men 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.240 actually think with the gray matter and women think with 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:33.360 the white matter. And uh so, taking a step back 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.680 from the outside, it looks like women's brains might be 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.680 more complicated and how it's set up and how they think. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.760 But they may be faster than men, right, they would 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:46.480 work more efficiently. So in this sense, if you're looking 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.679 at this gray matter, that's where the neurons, the thinking 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:54.960 cells are, but there's less communication among them in men 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.600 that makes sense, whereas women may have, depending on the 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.800 part of the brain, fewer neurons but a more efficient 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:07.240 communication system. Which is weird because then that would mean 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.600 that you could make the case that they would roughly 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.239 arrive at the same conclusion at about the same time, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.600 even though there were these two completely different structures. Yeah, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.440 but they also point out that some women might have 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.040 more neurons, as much as twelve percent more neurons. It 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.160 depends and I was surprised, um that that sentence was 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.720 written like that. There. It depends on the region of 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:33.640 the brain that um the I think she's a biologist, physiologist, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:38.920 Sandra whittleson that McMaster in Ontario, psychologist, psychologist, she's the 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.480 brain lady. Um. She found that there are parts of 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.319 the cortex in women, um, pretty much across the board 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.439 where you're gonna find about twelve percent more neurons packed 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:53.160 in there. So in this region they may have less 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:57.199 gray matter overall, but their neurons are more densely packed. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.400 But what she found that was interesting was that these 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.520 areas where they have more neurons were associated with signals 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.360 coming into and out of the brain, which means that 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.600 women would be more efficient at combining information rather than 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:16.280 internal calculation. Yeah. That makes sense to me too. When 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.680 I hear all these things out loud and think about 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.360 my marriage, I think, yeah, like Emily's like way faster 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.520 at processing things in a conversation than I am, and like, 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.320 I don't know, it all kind of makes sense to me. See, 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.319 I feel like that that is that this is the 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.240 reason why a lot of people are so whoa, whoa, whoa, 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.880 Because we're at this point where we, like, just in 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.920 the nineties Whittleson discovered more neurons in this one thing 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.000 we did. We did. We know so little about the 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.040 brain as it stands, let alone the differences between men 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.960 and women that it's like, I feel like we need 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.200 to amass all of the info we can and then 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.280 start extrapolating, you know what I mean? Yeah, Well, because 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.840 I Emily's way better reading maps than me, and that 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.319 has counter to what usually what people might think I 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.480 have to worse. It's direction on the planet, like we 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.559 call it the opposite thing. If I say go right, 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.200 it's left. And I'll even try and trick myself and 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.400 say I think it's right, and I'll say go left 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.720 and it's right. So it's I'm a wonder of nature. 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.600 And how bad my sense of direction is. I didn't 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.120 know that, dude. I've been on road trips and gotting 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.520 off the highway to get gas and gotten back on 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.080 and gone right back the way I came from no 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.200 way for miles before I realized it. I feel like 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.240 I know you a little more. Yeah, I'm really bad 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:30.840 when it comes to that stuff. That means you've got 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.400 a lady brain, and I do. And I have to 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.520 hold the map like I have to orient the map 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.400 to where like pointed in the direction to make sense 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.320 of it. I know you mean, I know what you 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:47.240 mean about the having to orient the map in that direction. Yeah, 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.360 but wow, I had no idea. Oh yeah, I'm awful. Okay, 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.160 so um oh, here's another one. This one. This is 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.319 the most amazing difference to me between a man's brain 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.200 and a woman's brain. Back in I think the nineties, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:06.760 like right, around the turn of that year. Um, some 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:14.480 Yale researchers gave a test, I guess, a language skilled 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.120 test of some sort where basically they said, um, here 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.160 say say Germany without the muh. It was like a 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:29.599 test of removing phonemes Germany Gurney Journey. Yeah. I was 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.760 just be in stupid. I was having trouble with it 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.240 just now. But they did this though under the at 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.800 the time brand spanking new wonder machine. It was new 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.920 at the time. Yeah, And the weird thing that they 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:45.760 found was that women and men had the same ability. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.840 They did just as good a job in removing phonemes 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.040 from words, but they used different parts of their brain. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.000 Whereas men used just one small region of one of 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.600 the hemispheres I'm not sure which one, the left, women 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:04.360 used regions in both the left and the right to 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.160 do the exact same thing. And the researchers pointed this 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.240 out there, like, okay, we would get this at what 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.040 we were testing was something really ancient, like something that 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:18.440 had to do with reproduction or acquiring food or defense 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:23.040 or fear, something like that, something really old. But reading. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:28.120 Reading is a skill that humans have acquired, probably do 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.000 within the last few thousand years. It's brand new, and 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.040 men and women have evolved in just that recent in 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.240 time to use their brains differently to do the same thing. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:43.000 Why that makes no sense whatsoever. What it suggests is 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:48.640 that men and women have different brains exactly. It's remarkable. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:50.920 You know, you would think they kind of worked in 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.440 the same way, but they really don't. Yeah, that's staggering 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:57.920 to me. Because we're human beings, were the same species. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.880 We can mate and produced new versions of our species, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.160 you know, like the fact that we have different brains 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:11.200 just because of the differing sexes, And that's just mind 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.760 boggling to me. I have no idea just because of 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.080 different sexes or there's the old nature versus nurture argument. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:23.000 So uh, who wrote this was a Connor Molly Edmonds 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.840 Molly Edmonds, formerly of Stuff Mom Never Told You. Um. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.240 She points out that even if you're like super super 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.560 open minded and I really want to just raise my 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.360 child not you know, as you're boys you have to 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:36.800 play with trucks, or you're a girl you have to 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.200 play with dolls, there's still probably gonna be some of 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.800 that that the child absorbs. Even among the most like 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.679 gender neutral parents, among us. You rarely like pick up 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.120 a little girl by her left ankle and dangle her 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.880 upside down, right exactly. But um, no matter how hard 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.320 you try, society is going to impact and shape a 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.520 child like that in some way. But uh so that 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.679 you know, maybe that plays a part in it. Okay, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.960 So okay, all right, I'll shoot a hole right into that. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.000 That doesn't account for the brain changing being different in structure, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.199 or does it. Well. Sandra Whittleston studied Einstein's brain. We've 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.680 done a podcast on Einstein's brain and the fact that 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.920 it's had in a garage for a number of years 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.640 like a jar, but she actually got a piece of 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:24.760 it like other people have to study it. In Her 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.800 argument is now our brains are structured at birth, because 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.480 look at Einstein's brain, it was actually structurally different and 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.120 it had nothing to do with nature at all, I'm sorry, 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:39.040 nurture at all. It was just shaped in differently in 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.520 some ways. And that's, you know, maybe why he was 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.240 so smart, and maybe that's why there aren't Einstein's all 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.600 over the place. And so this is something that we 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.240 get from birth, and it doesn't matter how you're raised, 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:51.880 it's going to be different. But see the jury is 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.160 still out on that one. Whittleston, that's her belief. There's 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.720 also another camp that says, well, no, because there's such 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.560 a thing as brain plasticity, and you have neural connections 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.120 that are remember the person with UM just one hemisphere, 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:09.760 but binocular vision um. Your your brain goes through the 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.520 process of pruning, so it gets rid of neural connections. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.720 And if everybody's telling a little girl that she's not 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.200 good at math because she's a girl, her brain may 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.080 very ruthlessly cut out a lot of those connections and 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.560 she may, through this brain's version of a self fulfilling prophecy, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.240 be the last good at math. Well, when that's where 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.000 and the brain structure would still look the same exactly, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:31.840 that's where nurture comes back in. Like you said, if 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.040 little girls are taught they don't want to do math, 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.080 maybe there are more boys in class, and then that 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.080 perpetuates it further to where they did one study where 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.320 they found that female students who were math and science 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.400 and engineering majors did not want to sign up for 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:49.720 these summer conferences in math and science because they were 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.160 shown videos where it was a bunch of corny little 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.920 nerdy boys, right. I was wondering there, like, I don't 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.840 exactly you want to be surrounded by those goons. So 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.280 these are math and science and engineering majors, and they 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:06.000 didn't want to do that because again, they're just fed 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.360 that line that now it's just all boys, and boys 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:09.880 are interested in this kind of thing. And there were 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.760 there's been other studies to that found like UM girls 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.240 who are told that a a math test generally does 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.840 show gender differences score more poorly than ones who weren't 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.400 told that, or if they were told as gender neutral, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.800 they improve, right, and boys are not immune to this 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.240 kind of thing too. Apparently they did a study where 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.280 they told UM white males taking a math test that 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.040 their scores were going to be compared to Asian males, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.200 and they did much more poorly than people like males 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.240 who weren't told that. Right, So again it's that self 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.160 fulfilling prophecy that we can, I guess make happen. So 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.440 we're we're the path that we're going down right now, 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.120 when we're saying, well, no, it's just nurture, it's just society. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.800 It's just there's a danger to it. It's not necessarily 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.840 wrong but there's a danger of following it too far 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.320 along to where you ignore the fact that they're are 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:05.080 for whatever reason, real differences, but in the male brain 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.920 and the female brain, and is here where some people, Um, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.800 there's a guy named Cahill. I can't remember his first name, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.520 but he's that you see, Irvine, He's one of the 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.159 louder people to shout like, no, we need to be 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:21.640 paying attention to the differences to understand how to say 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.560 better treat males and females suffering from the same thing. Yeah, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.600 like drugs, for instance, I didn't know this. Apparently most 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:33.119 of the studies they do on on drugs are done 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.199 on males and male animals because they don't want a 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:41.440 skewed result during the minstrual cycle. And so these drugs, 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.600 like they need to study both the female brain and 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.879 the male brain because they could potentially tailor a drug 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.760 toward a female brain to act better and be received 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.360 better than they would for just the standard male brain. 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:58.679 And conversely to UM, like, if you take a like schizophrenia, UM, 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.680 that's different for men, it's different for women. The onsets 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.520 usually earlier for men. Men usually have worse symptoms. Women 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.520 usually fare better. With schizophrenia, and um, they think that 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.760 it's because women respond better to the drugs prescribed to 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.760 treat schizophrenia than men. That would be because of the 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.480 differences in the brain. And if we understand the male 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.720 brain versus the female brain, we could better tailor schizophrenia 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.640 ments to treat men better and have better outcomes. Yeah. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.960 Physical therapy is another good example. In the article, Um, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.080 they found that our brains actually work differently, Like when 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.840 we do simple things like reaching for an object, A 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.480 woman's brain tackles that differently than a men's, just in 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.880 the same way that I guess we do when we're 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:47.000 reading Germany Uriney. Yeah, it is journey, so don't stop believing. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.800 So it physically me reaching for this phone is different 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:52.919 than when Jerry comes over and reaches for this phone. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.160 Then if we had we're both punched in the brain, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:01.320 we might need different physical therapy. Uh techniques, Well, you 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.600 said it punched in the brain to women, Um, especially 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:09.280 in frontal lobe injuries, have are devastated by those way 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.000 more than men. They think, because there's more neural activity 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.680 packed into the frontal lobe of women, and that's where 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.919 they do a lot more they're thinking than men do, 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.480 and that's evidenced by people who suffered the exact same 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.800 kind of brain injury. But a woman will just be 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.920 zong in. A man will be like, Oh, that kind 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:28.800 of hurt, but I'm going to get back to walking, 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.760 you know. Yeah, so I I mean, I'll go back 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:33.920 to the beginning. I stand by it. I say everyone 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.119 needs to just settle down and and start studying this 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.600 stuff because it could provide huge medical benefits and physical 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.640 therapy benefits and things like that if we just accepted 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:46.320 the fact that, yeah, our brains are a little different, 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.960 and that's just the deal. You know, Yeah, our brains 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.800 are different, but they're also trainable. Like if a girl 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.719 was told that she was bad at math, and she 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.280 decided that she wanted to take a lot of math classes, 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.840 I guarantee you she would excel it math. Yeah, and 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.440 I could probably train my brain to be more spatially 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.239 oriented as far as maps and direction goes. Do it? 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.200 I just I don't care, because now I have GPS 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:15.680 and Emily right to tell me I'm dumb. Um, let's 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.040 see you got anything else. I don't embraced differences people, 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.240 That's what I say. Um, that's very nice, serious nickers, 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.040 she's behind that. Uh. If you want to learn more 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.200 about embracing differences, specifically with the male and female brain, 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.199 you can type that into the search bar at how 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.600 stuff works dot com and it will bring up this article. 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:34.880 Oh and and now it's time for listening to mail 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:39.200 right all right, this is from I'm gonna call this 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.520 uh Stuff you Should Know jingle. Oh yeah, we got 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:44.560 a jingle written for us. I can't wait to start 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:47.080 using this. Um, hey, pal's I play music for a 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.240 living mostly up in Canada. On a recent tour down 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.719 to south By, Southwest and Austin, or keyboard player Alex 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.960 introduced me to the podcast and I had heard that 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.879 word podcast, but I honestly never knew what it was. 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.000 A way to go ale. I then spent the night 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.240 next two nights listening to Stuff you Should Know. Every 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.399 moment that I could really made the drives go by 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.199 a lot faster. And I love that you guys can 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:12.240 make any topic very interesting. UM, I have a lot 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.359 of time to kill, so I listened to nearly thirty 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.439 episodes in just over a week. So anyway, guys, one 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.560 of the last episodes I was listening to us how 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.520 commercial jingles work. I think Josh mentioned under his breath 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.000 that he wished you guys had a jingle. So when 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:27.840 I got home, I wrote you a jingle. Awesome. I 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.800 tried to combine the familiarity of something like the Cheers 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.400 theme song with the immediacy and simplicity of a commercial jingle. 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:36.680 I hope you enjoy it. I'm glad to discover the show, 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.639 and I'll be listening as long as you're talking. And 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:44.040 this bit of goodness is from Rusty Ah Machia's m 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:48.560 A t y a sid he pronounced that matches Mighty 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:58.720 Mas Media's from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, North America, art US. 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.040 And so we want to play the little jingle right now, 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.280 and uh, we may try and work this in somehow 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.199 and use this on the show. 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