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At the trade off 21 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: for this doing reruns Yeah, mostly reruns. If you want to, 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: if you want to listen to a Thinking Sideway Sideways 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: podcast rerun, just go into a catalog and click on 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: any on any episode and it's already it's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, So, 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: just as a heads up, these episodes are going to 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: be shorter. There are summer series. But thanks for your understanding. 27 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: Let's do this thing great. Today we're going to talk 28 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: about the Bermeha Island. And this was not a suggestion. What. Yeah, 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: I found this myself. You went, You went on the 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: intertubes and found a mystery on your own. Did Yeah. 31 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 1: I can't believe you did that. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry, 32 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: but this is creepy. I don't know if creepy is 33 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: the word. An entire island disappears. It's been interesting mystery, 34 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: to be sure. Yeah. And I'm just going to go 35 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: ahead and say right now that a lot of the 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: research that I relied on is not in English, so 37 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: there may be a little bit of weird translation things happening. Um, 38 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: so I apologize in advance if that happens. Ready. So 39 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: Bermeja Island was first mentioned in fifteen thirty nine in 40 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: the Yucatan and adjacent Islands. General is Lario of All 41 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: Islands in the World by Alonso de Santa Cruz of Madrid, Spain. 42 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: He was a cartographer. This publication is generally called the 43 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: General Atlas of all the Islands in the World. Yes, really, 44 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: I think that's the ambitious, ambitious you know, in the hundreds. Yeah, 45 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: that's crazy, all of the islands of all of the world. 46 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 1: But there you go. This island is or was depending 47 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: in the Gulf of Mexico, just off the Yucatan Peninsula, right, Okay, 48 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: silently sitting there. You're not reacting, though I need reactions. Yes, yes, 49 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: in Mexico. So in the Mariners Mirror by Alonso de Chaves, 50 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,559 Speaker 1: which is a different Alonso, who's also a Spanish cartographer. 51 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: Apparently that was like a super super fun name for 52 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: cartographers in Spain. Anyway, he described this island as and 53 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: this is a weird translation. So I'm gonna like try 54 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: and as I go from the tip of Cape Baron Redondo, 55 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: you go almost all the way to the west coast 56 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: for all all, almost all the way the west, about 57 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: seventy miles up and then there's this little arch to 58 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: the north in this place where the y'all, thank you, 59 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: and the island of the Arniss and then also Bermeha, 60 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: so they're like a cluster of islands. It is. It's weird, 61 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: but it's also Google Translate a fifteen hundreds Spanish different. 62 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: It was different, but it's an interesting little So you 63 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: kind of go up the Yucatan and then it's like 64 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: right across. I actually thought maybe it was more of 65 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: a straight line from Havana, Cuba. It's further away, certainly, 66 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: but I think it's a straighter line. Yeah, it's just 67 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: if you imagine like the north if you mentioned the 68 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: Yucatan Peninsula, the northwest corner, it's it's like pretty much 69 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: like due northwest, and I don't know how many miles 70 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: miles I believe. So when we give you the core gets, 71 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: write them down and then you can just enter that 72 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: directly into the map. Yeah, just write this down, you're ready. 73 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Just kidding. The coordinates that you will see provided in 74 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: a lot of articles are twenty two degrees in, thirty 75 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: three minutes north, one degrees and twenty two minutes east. 76 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: But when you actually look that up, it's a small 77 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: island in Bangladesh. So that's not right. Yeah, I was choked. 78 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: I I thought you were sending you a snipe hunt. 79 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: I was so confused. Well, it took me a minute too, 80 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: you know. It kind of just plops you down in 81 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: the middle of c and you're like, well, but there's 82 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: an island there on Google Maps, so there must be this. 83 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: It can't be a mystery. And you zoom at, zoom at, 84 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: zoom out, and suddenly there's nothing in English. It's all 85 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: in you know, Arabic text, and you're like, okay, this 86 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: is obviously the wrong place. Yeah, So it turns out 87 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 1: that it's actually twenty two degrees thirty four minutes six 88 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: seconds north and nine degrees twenty one minutes and fifty 89 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: three point nine seconds west. Turns out decimal points are 90 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: important when it comes to this sort of thing. So 91 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: it's crazy. So go look that up. Those are the coordinates. 92 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: The island was always in the same place on the maps. 93 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 1: It was always well, well ish, I mean close enough 94 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: for the time. Yeah, that it's it's well assumed that 95 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: there was actually an island there at that time. Yeah, 96 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: but I'm looking at like, for example, that these two 97 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: maps here, they're both very old, and I have to 98 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: say it, but these maps are really all over the map, 99 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: so different numbers of islands. Some are on this one 100 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: and not on this one. You get you get a 101 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: tolls and you get islands that are there and not. Yeah, 102 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: and we will talk more about this in theories. Is 103 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: apparently my favorite phrase to talk about ever. But we 104 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: the islands. There are not always islands visible to the 105 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: naked eye that you know, cartographers would be seeing in 106 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: the fifteen six dreds. So, so how big is this 107 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: Meica is about? Was whichever is was a little challenging 108 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: about thirty one square miles um total land, which is 109 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: about eight square kilometers. So it's not nothing. It's not 110 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: a big thing, but it's not huge. But it's not like, oh, 111 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: I could jump to the other side of this island 112 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: and one fell swoop, you know, and you can walk 113 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: across it in a day, but it would take you 114 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,559 Speaker 1: a full day square miles that's three three three miles 115 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: by ten miles depends on I mean you could walk 116 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: around it. Yeah. The jungle is I guess if there 117 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: is any no, no, no, no, and it's just just sand, 118 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: just say yeah, no, it's kind of rocks and sand. 119 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: Never as far as I have heard, you know, as 120 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: far as I have read at least not heard. There's 121 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: no it's not like trees and things like that. It's 122 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: just kind of sandy sandbar ish. This island Burham was 123 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: documented on maps until at which point an expedition failed 124 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: to locate the island when it was out couldn't find it. 125 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: I had read that it was the Mexican Navy that 126 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: was out on a fishing expedition. I don't know why 127 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: that was what it was, but apparently the Mexican Navy 128 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: goes out in the nineties with late nineties, they were 129 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: going on fishing expeditions and they tried to swing by 130 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: it and found that it wasn't there. I don't know. Yeah. Um, 131 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: In reality, the last confirmed mapping of Bermeja Island was 132 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty one, and that was in the Geographic 133 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: Atlas of the Mexican Republic. And so that was an 134 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: atlas that was published in Mexico. Correct, yes, yeah, And 135 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: then basically they just kind of they hadn't done any 136 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: kind of cartographic surveys. I just made that word up 137 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: cartography surveys at least for this certain publication, since that 138 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: was the last survey they did to confirm that all 139 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: the islands were where they were. Uh. And then in 140 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: the nineties this became more of a thing, which we're 141 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: about to talk to talk about in the second but 142 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: nine the last confirmed definitely they somebody saw it there time, 143 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: Like I said, Um, Mexican Navy was apparently doing this 144 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: fishing expedition and they yeah, yeah, and like I said, 145 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: it was it wasn't populated or anything. It was just 146 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: kind of the thing. So they I guess they just 147 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: kind of shrugged and thought, well, maybe we're in the 148 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: wrong place or who knows what. Um, and they went 149 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: on their way. They did report it. They couldn't find it, 150 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: but they didn't even reported. They reported the island missing island. 151 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: It's on Charlie Project. Yeah. Yeah, I think it might 152 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: be a yeah, a couple of pictures. They've actually done 153 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: an aging thing. How old it would yeah. Um. In 154 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: two thousand nine, very much more serious search for Vermeha 155 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: Island uh started and like three agencies took part of 156 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: the survey. Yeah. They can't blame them. Again, you can't 157 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: blame them. Yeah. The big question here, right is, Okay, 158 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: so an island went missing, who cares? Right, really? Who 159 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: cares well. UM, So you probably know, but you may 160 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: not know that the Gulf of Mexico is split between 161 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: the United States and Mexico. UM. There's this whole treaty 162 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: where it says that, you know, nations are supposed to 163 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: be allowed two nautical miles out to do whatever they 164 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: want off of their shores. But obviously the Gulf of 165 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: Mexico that's not necessarily feasible, so it's supposed to be. 166 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: It's negotiated, and oftentimes the way that those things are 167 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: negotiated is they'll say, well, this is our furthest for Mexico. 168 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: They would say, this is our furthest north spot that 169 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: we claim as our own land, so let's negotiate from there. 170 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: And then the US would say, okay, well this is 171 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: our southernmost spot that we're claimed land, so let's negotiate 172 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: ate what a good you know, actable term it difference, right, 173 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: And it turns out that Bromeha was the northernmost point 174 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: for Mexico in the Gulf of Mexico that they claimed 175 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: that in that in that specific treaty, which was originally 176 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: negotiated in eight I believe, I believe, I believe I'm 177 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: pulling that number from my memory, so apologies if it's 178 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: wrong anyway. So with the loss of Bromeha, the next 179 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: closest island is like seventy ish mile I mean, it's 180 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: basically the uk tam Peninsula is the next closest bit 181 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: of land that Mexico claims, which means that Mexico has 182 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: lost a sizeable amount of their quote unquote territory within 183 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: the Gulf of Mexico, which also happens to include an 184 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: estimated twenty two point five billion barrels of oil. There's 185 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: a lot of oil down there, so it's kind of 186 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: a big Actually that Burmehan made finance Yeah, that has 187 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: nothing on it. Yeah, totally well with that, we're on 188 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: the theories. Yeah, just I told you its shorts man 189 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: doing it. It's actually kind of a lot to talk about. 190 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: The Yahoo out. So the first theory that we're going 191 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: to talk about is um that Burmehan may have just 192 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: never existed. UM. The National Autonomous University of Mexico, which 193 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: is UNAM, is one of the agencies, one of the 194 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: three agencies that in two thousand nine went out and 195 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: used what one article referred to as the most whiz 196 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: bang technology all there, which I thought was an interesting 197 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: phrase but okay attached to but I mean they were 198 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: actually they did actually do a lot of investigation in 199 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: this area. You know, they sent divers down, they used 200 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: all of the radio sonar, thank you sonar technology, all 201 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: that stuff, and basically what they concluded was that there 202 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: had never actually been an island there ever, based on 203 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: their findings. Yeah, you know, one of the things they 204 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: said was that just sizemologic size a malologically yeah, maybe 205 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: based on the way that the Earth's cross days in 206 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: that area, it didn't make sense for their to be 207 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: an island there anyway, which is fair. I mean, we've 208 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: got some maps and you when you look up on 209 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: Google Earth. Um, when you look this up, it shows 210 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: you where the you know, the shelf is there, and 211 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: it does it does make sense. You know, there's a 212 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: bunch of violence kind of along the shelf, but this 213 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: island is like not exactly where you would expect, and 214 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 1: if it is, it drops off quite precipitously. It's like 215 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: two down. Yeah. And then about Nuevo and Karnis the 216 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: two the ones that are closest to this one are 217 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: on the escarpment. That's what's called the Yukatan Escarpment. And 218 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: I've got this this map, I'll describe it. It shows 219 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: to drop off into what's called the six Be Deep 220 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: and and that is the deepest part of the Gulf 221 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: of Mexico. And then I plotted the I plotted the 222 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: island Ireland or Mayha and this right smack in the 223 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: middle of six be Deep. Yeah, it doesn't make down. Yeah, 224 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: the yeah, thirty six, Yeah exactly, that's the number that 225 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm confusing with the other number. And bust talk. Yeah, 226 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: And why they why they're saying that there couldn't have 227 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: been an island for years, I don't really quite get that. 228 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: It seems like that. I guess they kind of they 229 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: did an analysis on the age of the sea floor 230 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: and decided that in no meaningful way had this sea 231 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: floor been disrupted in terms of like if there had 232 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: been an island that because an island is not I'm 233 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm just making the assumption that you guys know this, 234 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it anyway. And island isn't just 235 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: a floating thing. It land that comes up, and so 236 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: it would I don't know necessarily where they're coming from. 237 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: The fifty three hundred years necessarily, I would assume that 238 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: they just they were able to say that that's what 239 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: the age surrounding. Yeah, they gave that number, and so 240 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: I assumed that they just an analysis of the ocean 241 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: floor and said, Okay, this ocean floor was that undred 242 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: years ago. There's not been any major disruption before after 243 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: that time, so there couldn't have ever been an island here, 244 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: which is a fair assumption. Was reasonable. Yeah, you know, actually, um, 245 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: the way the way maps were done, especially in the 246 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: old days, is they relied on accounts from sailors and 247 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: explorers and people like that, and and so somebody could 248 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: have described an island to this to the map makers 249 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: back in Spain being at this particular spot, you know, 250 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: they scribbed a very seriously series and said, oh, it's 251 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: it's about this shape, it's about this size, you know, 252 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: and that's and that's all they had to go with. 253 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: That's how map making work back and then it was 254 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: copy paste, yeah, and that they were copied over and stuff, 255 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: and then and of course one another map was aid. 256 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: Then obviously they took that information off the previous map, 257 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: even though it was erroneous. Probably, and it turns out 258 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: sometimes they put disinformation in the maps back in the 259 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: old days too, Yeah, more than sometimes. Actually that was 260 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: an intentional ling. Yeah, because if you see this cluster, right, 261 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: So if if Spain's enemies, for instance, see this cluster 262 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: of islands in the middle of the Gulf Mexico, they're 263 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: going to think, okay, well there's no way we can 264 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: navigate that because it's really dangerous, so we're not going 265 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: to go over there, which means they're not going to 266 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: challenge Spain's claim to the land around that, which obviously 267 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: Spain claimed that land. And that was a thing that 268 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: was common just across the board everybody whenever they mapped anything, 269 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: they would just say, also, there's like this weird, I 270 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: don't know, coral reef thing here. It's crazy. I know, 271 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense that it's in the middle of 272 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: the ocean, but it's there. Don't try to get through it. 273 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: And that's the other part that it rei Jeff said 274 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: on account second hand account. So somebody could have gotten 275 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: you could have thought, oh, yeah, you know, there was 276 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: there was three of them in that area. There was 277 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: three island e things in that area. Wond In fact, 278 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: there was only two. And then when press. Uh, it was. 279 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: It was And it's like throwing a dart at a map. 280 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: It was right there and there was shaped like this. Yeah, 281 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: navigational tools and all that stuff. And but also an 282 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: interesting thing I found out just yesterday because I happen 283 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: to be reading a book about maps at the moment, 284 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: and that modern day map makers actually put disinformation in also. 285 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: You know that what they do is like say, when 286 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: we do this thing called trap streets, which is what 287 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: you do. If you're ACME map company and you're doing 288 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: a map of say London, what you do is you 289 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: put in somewhere in that map, you put a totally 290 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: fictitious street on your map, and you give it, give 291 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: it a unique name. You might name it after your 292 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: dog or something. That's a totally fake street that doesn't 293 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: exist in the real world. And that way, if your 294 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: competitors rip you off, then you have proof of a 295 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: copyright violation. And so that's why everybody they still they 296 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: still are putting disinformation in the apps even today. Do 297 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: they do that on Google? Um, I don't know. It's 298 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: a good question. I would have to imagine that Google 299 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: had worked out some kind of agreement with people at 300 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: least in the beginning. Google is mapping everything on their 301 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: freaking own at this point, so they probably aren't as 302 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: reliant anymore on those old maps. But but I mean, yeah, 303 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: it's it's well, hell, you remember map Quest. That thing 304 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: used to be wrong all the time, And now it 305 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: makes me wonder if it wasn't that they were taking 306 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: it way too far because the Internet was scary, or 307 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: if they just really were that crappy. Yeah, it's hard 308 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: to tell. I'm probably crappy. Google is. I mean they 309 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: are literally mapping everything. And there's this game called Geo Guesser, 310 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: which is super awesome. They just PLoP you down in 311 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: street view in Google and you have to guess where 312 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: in the world you are. Really do you get to 313 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: do you get to move around? You can move around, yeah, 314 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: but you know, all the signs are mostly blurred out. 315 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: But you know the I was playing the other day 316 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: and they ploted me to out in the middle of 317 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: literally a dirt road in like Spain, and I was 318 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: like clicking through and you're just like, there's nothing there. 319 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: It's just a dirt road. There's not even houses or anything, 320 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: and you're just like, well, I guess I'm just I 321 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: have to guess, but they're mapping stuff like that. It's insane. 322 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: That sounds like a fun game. I want to pay fun. Yeah, yeah, 323 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: well they're doing all kinds of crazy stuff, like with 324 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: street view. Joe and I before you got here today, 325 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: we're looking at a map of here in Portland, and 326 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: as Joe was panning around the Streetview's like wait, wait, wait, 327 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: go back, go back, And I can actually see the 328 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: reflection of the person who has had the camera, and 329 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: they were on a bicycle. You couldn't get a car 330 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: into the area. And they're like, okay, we'll figure out 331 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: how to bike mount a bunch of cameras and makes 332 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: somebody ride them through there. And it just happened to 333 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: catch it in the image they have they have people once. 334 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's yeah, they're called ostriches anyway, we kind 335 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: of So I just wanted to say one other thing 336 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: about the history of maps, and then that is back 337 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: in the old old days, um maps were hot property, 338 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: was incredibly valuable intelligence, and so in the countries went 339 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: do great lengths to keep them, keep their all their 340 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: maps secret. And they were they weren't cheap to make. 341 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't like you just made a thousand copies because 342 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 1: what the hell. Yeah, you know, it was a scribe 343 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: or a cryptographer sitting there hand creating these things over 344 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: and over. And I mean that's where inaccuracies come from. 345 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: It was part of an old manuscripts. Letters are changed, 346 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: drawings are wrong. It happens, yeah, absolutely, yeah. But so yeah, 347 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: the whole story of maps is interesting. I mean but 348 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: back in the day they were they were considered more 349 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: worth their weight in gold and some Yeah, absolutely accurate. Yeah. 350 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: So I mean it's it is totally possible in my 351 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: mind that I just never existed. I'm pretty sure it didn't. Well, okay, 352 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: but we have talked about their to the theory. There's 353 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: some other really interesting ones. Our next one is that 354 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: it just migrated, which is just like the yeah, and 355 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: it'll be back back. I mean, winters here, it's gonna 356 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: be a long winter, h didn't. I mean they sent 357 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: the white ravens, so I know, winters here, it's gonna 358 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: be a while and then it'll come back and it'll 359 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: be fine. Right. Yeah, So we're just saying that it 360 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: migrated due to like continental shelf shifting. It's dumb, Okay, 361 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: it's uh sank or global warming, which is which is 362 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: a fair thing to say. I mean, based on the 363 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: evidence that we've already presented, there's not an island just 364 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: you know, hanging out a couple hundred feet under water. 365 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: But during these renegotiations of the marine border, um, that happened. 366 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: They happened in I believe between Mexico and the United States. 367 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: Foreign Ministry legal advisor told senators that Vermeha Island was 368 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: actually just like a hundred and fifty feet or underwater. Um. 369 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: I don't think the oceans have been rising that fast. 370 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: I don't think so either. UM. I think that was 371 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: obviously a lie to try to convince senators that it 372 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: was okay to continue negotiating based on that land claim. 373 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: You know, again it was it was important because it 374 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: did reinforce the claim to that area, which contains a 375 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: bunch of oil. But there are things though. There there 376 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: are things what they're called disappearing islands. There's one actually, 377 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: there's one island in that area that's literally named disappearing 378 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: island because they're so low. They just sit right on 379 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: the surface, so they're really only seen when the tide 380 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: is really really low or you know, kind of low. 381 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: But when it's high tide, the islands disappear completely. But 382 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: those islands are all on the Yukatanas scarp. They are yeah, 383 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: and they are much smaller. They're not, you know, thirty 384 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: one square miles. So the thing that I wondered about 385 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: with this, because we're we're on this you know, the 386 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: island sank. We're back to Atlantis, by the way, but 387 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: we found Atlantis. It's at twenty two degrees no um. 388 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: But the thing is is that what I was looking 389 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: at is when I was looking at the escarpment and 390 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: zooming in, these coordinates may are based on a very 391 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: old map that is, as we've already said, probably fraught 392 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: with inaccuracies. But what I'm wondering is if that island 393 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: might have actually existed, was farther south, so it was 394 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: closer to just the the edge. Let's say that that 395 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: area does collapse, because that if you look at that map, 396 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: you can see how there's areas where it's very it's 397 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: a very subtle slope, and then there's very steep slopes. 398 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: So it could have been that there was some kind 399 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: of seismic activity and it just sort of flaked off 400 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: and over the course of the next two hundred years, 401 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: crap is stacked up on top of it, and so 402 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: it's not as obvious. Because I don't know that this 403 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: that the you name actually sent divers down along that 404 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: entire thing. I have to believe they probably didn't. So 405 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: that makes me think that they may not have seen 406 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: the signs of something that had, based on a seismic event, collapsed. Yeah, 407 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: although that's, uh, that's a pretty huge chunk of land 408 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: to have just sort of like flake off and go 409 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: tumbling down the hillside. I mean, I said, but I 410 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: see your theory. I mean, that occurred to me too well. 411 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: But but then again, we're all you're saying, that's a 412 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: huge chunk of land, but again we're also basing the 413 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: size of this thing on a very old, potentially incorrect an. Absolutely, 414 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, I have to I choose to believe. I 415 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: guess that you now did their due diligence and wasn't 416 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, just saying well whatever, Yeah, it doesn't look 417 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: like things were disturbed. It's probably fine. I mean, I 418 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: would assume that they sent divers down, and I think 419 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: I think if they would would have been biased in 420 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: one direction or the other, it would have been towards 421 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: the other way. I would agree with that. Yeah, I 422 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: mean that it's strongly a Mexican national sentiment is that 423 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: Burmeha existed and something else happened to it, so it 424 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: would be more it would be more in their favor 425 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: and more in their nature maybe to say, yeah, there 426 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: was an island there and it just something happened. Um, 427 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: or there's still an island there. It's probably still an 428 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: island there. Yeah, yeah, it's it's just invisibility cloak. Yeah, 429 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: freaking aquaman again, isn't it. Yeah it is. Yeah. So 430 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: our next and last theory is the one, Okay, my 431 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: last is the one that I think is the most interesting, 432 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: um and maybe even like second most likely even in 433 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: my mind. Uh. And it's that either the CIA or 434 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: the Mexican government or both colluded just blew the heck 435 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: out of Burmeha Island and obliterated it. We never like 436 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: that stupid island. Let's just get rid of it. Yeah, 437 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: you know. And I don't know, I'll be honest, I 438 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: don't know why. The theory is that the CIA did it, 439 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: because the CIA is evil and does everything. Yeah, that's why. 440 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: And this theory does seem a little insane until you 441 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: actually start talking about some vaguely interested related details. Understandably, 442 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: Mexico was not super stoked to find out that their 443 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: quote unquote north most claim was gone, so they decided 444 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: that an investigation needed to take place, which is fair 445 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: because realistically, either one party was lying, right, either the 446 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: USA blew the island to pieces, or the island never existed, right, 447 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: I mean those are the two tech kind of right, okay, okay, 448 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: based based on So either Mexico was lying about it 449 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: ever having existed, or the USA was lying about blowing 450 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, because we love to blow of islance. 451 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: We do. Actually, we're really good at it. And I 452 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: don't think I don't think I could say that Mexico 453 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: was lying. I mean, that's the the island goes back 454 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: hundreds of years in plants that I was like, before 455 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: the existence of Mexico, people were putting an island in 456 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: that spot. But that it could have been a really 457 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: convenient that the Mexican government would have said, Okay, we 458 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: know this island doesn't actually exist, but it's on the map, 459 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: so we're just going to say it exists to extend 460 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: our claim. What you're saying, it might have been what 461 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: you're saying about lying then, Okay, yeah, apparently, um, some 462 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: senators did discuss for about ten minutes UM in two 463 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: thousands from Mexico. Yeah, yeah, there was some congressional hearing 464 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: about this whole thing. They discussed it for ten minutes. 465 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: And there's a claim that all of the audio from 466 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: that hearing has just disappeared, doesn't in the again, Yeah, 467 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: I think they probably just taped over the tapes. Well, 468 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: the reason that they were talking about in two thousand 469 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: is because they were finishing up renegotiations on this whole 470 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: land claim thing, and Congress did fail to speak up 471 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: about the fact that their navy had apparently discovered that 472 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: the island didn't exist anymore. I mean, they knew in um, 473 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: and so the tape disappearing would maybe suggest that they said, Okay, 474 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: we know that the island isn't there anymore, but we 475 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: should just keep saying the islands there because the oil, right, 476 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the negotiations started in so even 477 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: when they started these renegotiations, they the navy had said 478 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: this island isn't here anymore, but they started pretending to 479 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: believe this still was. Yeah, they seemed to with with 480 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: like one exception, there's one. There was one senator his 481 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: name was it was Jose angel Um French Jello, and 482 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: he was the chair of the Foreign Relations committee at 483 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: the time in in the Mexican parliament. So negotiations, negotiations 484 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: started to renegotiate this whole border thing, and Concello said 485 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: that there was a secret plan for the Mexican government 486 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: to give a ton of exploration rights to S oil companies, 487 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: which only makes sense, which only makes sense, right of course, yeah, 488 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: and that the island disappearing was probably part of that 489 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: plan he was going to give. They were going to 490 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: give the rights to the U S oil companies to explore, 491 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: and once they found oil, the US would say, well, 492 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: it turns out that Mexico doesn't even have this island, 493 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: so we should renegotiate, and oh, by the way, are 494 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: our people found oil there, so it's our oil, so 495 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: ha ha, Mexico, you don't have claim to any of 496 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: this is apparently his thinking. Essentially, Mexican officials were bribed 497 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: by US oil companies and that you know, eventually that 498 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: the island was decimated and that eventually the U S 499 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: would be able to swoop in and say your land 500 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: claim is bogus, and also we're going to have all 501 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: the oil go big oil. Yeah oil. Well, and you know, 502 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: this kind of seems like the ramblings of a crazy person. 503 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: And tel you find out that Concello actually died in 504 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: August of in a car crash um in which his 505 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: driver wasn't even injured. Mm hmm, that can happen. What 506 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: about the bullet holes? So yeah, I mean, I mean 507 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: the so, what happened is a truck turned left in 508 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: front of his car, the car collided. It killed him 509 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: as the passenger, but his driver was reportedly totally uninjured. 510 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: He was probably in the back seat, he was, Yeah, 511 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: Concello was in the back sea Yeah, so probably point 512 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: I probably the passenger side, which would explain why this 513 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: man was not but okay, totally. But it's it's a 514 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: little I mean, you have to admit there's at least 515 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: a tiny voice in your brain that says, okay, but 516 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: it's a little weird that the one person who spoke 517 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: out about this. Yeah, it's it's weird that he did. 518 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: He died, But as far as his driver surviving, that's 519 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: not that that weird. Because if you're if you're gonna, like, 520 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: if you're gonna like have this guy whacked via an 521 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: auto accident, you don't really care about his driver, you know, 522 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: So that's that was just a flu wasn't hit. But 523 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: it's still kind of It's one of those things where 524 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: it's like, I don't want to believe that this is 525 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: actually happening, but a little bit in my brain, I 526 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: think it's really convenient timing. Well, that's probably it's convenient. 527 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: It's okay, I don't think that this is some kind 528 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: of conspiracy, but I can see why people do that. 529 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same thing. What was it, Princess 530 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: die and the driver, you know, he was the first 531 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: one to die, and everybody of course pointed out that 532 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: he was the man who had done it. But if 533 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: he hit threw some fluke survived, then the conspiracy would 534 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: have just been on fire. But that's the same thinging. 535 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: It's like the guy who is quote unquote responsible for 536 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: the vehicle somehow survived. It's an accident happens, uh Well, 537 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: and then I guess the little icing on the cake 538 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: on this theory is that obviously an island of that 539 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: size does not get a glitter rated without both parties 540 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: being aware of it. So either Mexico bombed the crap 541 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: out of their own island and the you know, and 542 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: the US knew that that had happened, or the US 543 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: bombed the crap out of Mexico's island and Mexico obviously 544 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: new too, because that's not the sort of thing that 545 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: just happened. No, it's it's hard, it's it's definitely hard 546 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: to keep something like that secret. Yeah, how far how 547 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: far away from the coast is this island? Again? It 548 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: was hundred miles seventy I mean that that would be 549 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: a really really really far south for a US warship 550 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: to be just without Mexico. Yeah, and so that's why 551 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: people say it had to have been a conspiracy between 552 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: the two governments. Well, and here, but here's the reason 553 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: I don't buy it. And again this is this is 554 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: another map holding my hot little hand of the Gulf 555 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: of Mexico, and it shows the six be deep there. Again, 556 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: I say, as I said earlier, down or almost twelve 557 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: thou feet, So the island would have had to have 558 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: been an underwater mountain, almost as big as Mount Hood. 559 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: And you see if you look here, the sea floor 560 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: there is pretty much flat, um, which means that's a 561 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: hell of a lot of earth and rock to move. Yeah. 562 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: I've been an amazing amount and do it covertly. You 563 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: got again. I mean, it's like not possible. Really, I 564 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: agree with you. Duh. Have you never been to the 565 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: carnival and seen somebody on stilt? It was an island 566 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: on stilt. So it just fell over, Okay, I fall down, 567 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: go boom. Yeah, okay, I told you buy that. Okay, honestly, 568 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you my theory. Yeah, you have a theory, 569 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: and Steve as a theory. Okay, well, okay, Mexico just 570 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: displaced it. It'll turn up one of these days. Yeah, yeah, 571 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: it'll show up. Yeah yeah, they'll they'll find at the 572 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: back of a drawer or maybe in the back of 573 00:33:53,920 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: the refrigerator spring cleaning. Yeah. Um. So my theory is 574 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: kind of a civil one, and that is that this island. 575 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: Island has been mapped twice. Okay. So here's what I 576 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: the problem with this whole thing when I was looking 577 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: at it is like we've talked about the escarpment, that 578 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: there's no way that an island can be sported there. 579 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: But if you go about twenty to five miles due east, 580 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: you'll run into Scorpion Reef. And Scorpion Reef is a 581 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: is literally a reef, but there is one kind of 582 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: small island dish land mass in it. And I'm guessing 583 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: this thing is at the most like four or five 584 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: miles across, but it's roughly shaped like our island is. 585 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if it got found and then somebody 586 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: else recounted that reef but recounted the size wrong and 587 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: moved it, which is why the damn thing never shows up, 588 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: because if you look at that thing, it kind of 589 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: the old maps are hard to tell the shape of 590 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 1: the island with. I get that it's kind of kid 591 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: To me, it's almost kind of like kidney shaped. But 592 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: it could be that that's why, is that it was 593 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: somebody called this one little bit of rock or sand 594 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: in Scorpion Reef, that island, and then when they went 595 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: to look forward for reels, just kidding there. Well, I 596 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: guess there's the other possibility is that they saw it 597 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: on a super low tide. I don't know what Scorpion 598 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: Reef really looks like on a super low tide with 599 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: a slightly lower water table. I wonder if it's all 600 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: connected underneath, so it looks like it's very shallow between them. 601 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: So I wonder if it looks like one larger mass, 602 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: because I mean Burmeha is solidly the largest island in 603 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: that area according to the maps um, So I guess 604 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: it would be possible if Scorpion Island, Reef whatever were 605 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: to be seen as an entire and an extremely low tie. Yeah. 606 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: But here's the other problem with this whole. They were 607 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: blowing the island up to to pull Mexico's back claim 608 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: to the sea back. This island is this reef with 609 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: this little island on. It is twenty miles away and 610 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: only a tad bit farther south, like maybe a couple 611 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: of miles further south, and it's owned by Mexico. I mean, 612 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: I know they didn't lose anything. I know that you 613 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: are saying that, but I also have like read the 614 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: actual treaty documents, and for whatever reason, this is like 615 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: a huge deal. So I don't know how they're maybe okay, 616 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, maybe the treaty has a minimum land mass 617 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: requirement or something like that, and that's why this island 618 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: is so important. And what's at the reef doesn't count. 619 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: But well I didn't even I don't even know, because 620 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it probably has to be solid land and 621 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: not just a reef. Yeah, well there is there's one 622 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: bit of solid land there that I mean, I guess 623 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: in my estimation, it would mean that you would have 624 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,760 Speaker 1: to have land that was settle able, right, but mayhow 625 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: wasn't settleable? It could have been. It was enough. It 626 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: was a it was a hook of sand. I mean, 627 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: you said there was nothing on it, So that's not settleable. Well, 628 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: you can build a house there. It's just not going 629 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: to stay standing. But there it's a big enough that's it. 630 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm moving to Scorpion reef. Yeah, so, I mean it's 631 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: I think it probably just never existed. It was a 632 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: mapping air. You think it is just you know, somebody 633 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: dripped ink on the on the map. But it is 634 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: interesting next to it. It is interesting that it happened 635 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: to coincide with you know, twenty two point five billion 636 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: barrels of oil disputed between Mexico and the United States. 637 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: That's a lucky break happen. Well, we've got better used 638 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: for that oil. Anyway. 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