WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: What's Missing? 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:10.560 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:21.520 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.360 Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:36.160 Star in fris Joe Live. No your hosts, Rob Phillips, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:50.200 heck My Harrison, Danny Serek, and Kyle Yeomans. It's another 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.160 beautiful Tuesday, and you know what that means. It's another 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.880 edition of Talking Cowboys here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.520 So glad you're all with us, and it is a 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.040 beautiful day, but it's a better day to talk about 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.920 your Dallas Cowboys, and we're gonna do just that over 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:10.120 the next sixty minutes or so. Kyle Yeoman's Heta Harrison, 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.200 Isaiah stand Back and the Great Rob Phillips joining us 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:18.040 as always. And guys, I just about thirty seconds before 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.320 this open happened, I continue to put my foot in 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.000 my mouth, which I feel like I've been doing a 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.280 lot recently in terms of bets that have been made. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.319 And I just lost ten bucks to Heckma. But guys, 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.800 I at least lived through the half marathon, which is great. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.440 But now I gotta take Heckma. The lunch I guess tenago, 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.640 do it, Kyle and see you you should have learned. 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.600 You should learn about putting your foot in your mouth. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.000 That's just something you're doing in twenty twenty, doll you 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.480 got you gotta provide a little bit of entertainment. I 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.040 guess throughout the course set. But as always, we're having 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.120 some fun and excited to talk with Isaiah again. And Isaiah, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.680 I know you're at least probably out of the four 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.280 of us here, you're the most qualified to have run 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.840 maybe a half marathon or done something of the sort. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.040 But have you ever done long distance running before or 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:06.840 is that something that I need to hit you up about. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.480 So one time I ran about three blocks to a 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:18.480 pit bull, got losing the neighborhood. That couch, that couch. Yeah, 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.560 I don't know we got covered or that, But that's 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:25.240 about an extent of my long business running. He hit 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:31.239 the three blocks, he was gone. Rob's a big time runner. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:35.280 Though I don't think i've run period in like twenty 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.000 years because of my man I've got bad feet. I 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.400 did run the mile back in high school, though, so 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.919 I could have helped you in like nineteen ninety seven. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.359 Now so much you don't want to know how old 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.679 I was in nineteen ninety seven. Let's just let's throw 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.360 that out there. But we're gonna keep on moving along, 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.959 not talking about running. We're gonna be talking about the 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.800 Dallas Cowboys, and we're gonna hit up a Layton vander 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.400 rash and in his health and the update fair. We're 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:04.280 gonna talk about the cornerback position and even some of 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.240 that offense as well, and some of the new look 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.920 offense on that side of the football. But guys, I 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:27.160 kind of wanted to keep some of uh, this is hey, 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.799 this is uh, this is the point where I try 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.200 to jump in and do my best kl of impersonation. Uh, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.160 but where we obviously the topic is because we're all 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.240 board in the house, and in the house board ESPN 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.560 has and treated us to the Last Dance. And I 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.920 don't know about you, guys, but it was wonderful for 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.000 me to be able to take a stroll back down 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.520 memory lane and see the greatness of Michael Jordan. Rob 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.000 I'll start with you, what did you think about the series? 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.000 I think we're all about the same age, and man, 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.560 it was just a ass from the past for me. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.720 I mean, I was about twelve years old when Jordan 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.839 was doing his thing. I had. I was a Knicks fan. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:11.320 I had the Knicks starter jacket. Who all that? How 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:17.320 did you actually because Derek Harper the MAVs. Yeah, so 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.920 so bad and he left for New York and actually 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.839 was on a winning team and that makes sense. I 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.600 carried my fanom over there. But yeah, it was incredible. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.640 It was a nice break for everybody, I think, to 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.760 enjoy some type of sports. And it's got people talking about, 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.120 you know, the NFL, and could the NFL have a 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:39.360 storyline that's worthy of a ten hour documentary series? And 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.640 I think the Dallas Cowboys would have one personally. We 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.040 did a mail back question on that. I think absolutely 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:48.120 there's an one for the Dallas Cowboys who can talk 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:53.120 about controversy that Thank god they didn't have social media 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.000 back then during those days, but man, that would be 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.400 awesome just to hear some of those stories. And if 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.359 you know ESPN or anyone had any any video clips 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.920 of that team, because those guys were great to talk about. 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.960 Uh dynasty, But what about for you? I said, just 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.520 looking over the last dance? Yeah, man, over the last 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:11.839 And first of all, I want to address the fact 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.039 that Rogers admitted that he's a bad Wagon, he's a 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.960 Bandwagon fan, and he did he did. You know, it 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:23.880 takes a man to admit that. So that no question, no, no, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:25.560 But you know the same here man. I mean, I 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:27.640 don't remember how old I was, but I mean I 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.760 definitely remember watching that. I was definitely a basketball fan. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.440 I was Seattle SuperSonics fan. Yeah, yeah, they touched on 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.440 that episodes. I was at seven and eight h so yeah, 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:41.400 obviously Gary Payton and yeah, rain man, I had to 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:51.240 bike jump haircut. Also, I had the little restail came. Yeah, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.160 so I remember I was getting our birth kicked in 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.840 the finals of that year. But you know, the city 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.120 being on fire. But Jordan was my dude. Man, you 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.600 couldn't tell me anything before I was a football player. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.520 I was a basketball and baseball guy. So um, basketball 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.160 is my sport man. And Jordan his his mentality, his 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.400 voracious and his ferociousness, his intensity, determination, you know, he 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.479 didn't care. I'm I'm I've been touted as a highly 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.760 competitive individual. I don't know where they came from, but 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.080 I may or may not be kind of competitive. So 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.280 you know, I resonated with him, right, I identified myself 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.039 with Jordan and just how he carried himself to the game. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.880 And it's amazing that they were able to follow him 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.680 and put that together. Right. I don't know how long 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.200 I've been sitting on all this, but they did a 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.559 heck of a job putting it together, and they touched 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:33.880 on a lot of points. I think there are some 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:39.000 something that all of us could have taken from that individually. Questions, Oh, yeah, 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.000 for you know, when I when I looked at the 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.520 the I was looking at the last dance with my son. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.800 As we were talking earlier. I have a thirteen year 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.320 old son that thinks he's pretty good at sports. And 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.039 he's one of those these kids that believe that you 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.440 take an iPhone and you know, run a few routes 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.200 and add some rap lyrics to the back of and 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.240 that makes you great. Right, And so looking at you know, 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.120 looking at looking at the last dance and just showing 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.640 him what it takes to be great. Seeing Jordan in 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.839 those first couple of episodes talk about getting cut in 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.720 the legendary story about him having to play JV as 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.720 a sophomore, you know, and just I mean, just the 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.680 whole story about Michael Jordan what he's had to do 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.200 the overcoming be as great as he is. I think 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.720 it's something of note. And that's why Fortune five hundred 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.960 companies pay guys like that thousands of dollars, hundreds of 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:26.760 thousands of dollars to come in and talk to that 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.320 sales team, because everybody wants to tap in to that 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.840 championship pedigree and what he was able to do in 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.840 that competitive nature to get to the goat status. And 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.320 it's a term that is used too often nowadays, greatest 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.120 of all time. But we all got ten hours to 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:48.600 see and bear witness to what Michael Jordan's greatness was 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.560 all about. I mean, man, he got up to play anybody. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.600 I mean with the one where he's talking about George 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.720 Carl walked pass him, ignored him, you know, a ball boy, 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.160 he didn't pass him the ball doing shoot arounds, and 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.480 so he just took it out on anybody for whatever 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.920 it was. But it's that it's that killer instinct that 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.600 I think we all were able to notice and see. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.480 And the refreshing thing about Michael Jordan is that, look, man, 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.640 he may have been friends with guys off the court 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.320 and all of that, and I'm not one of those 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.240 guys as all that, you know, you gotta be mean 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.920 and all that stuff, But I just felt as though, man, 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.960 it was that killer instinct that Michael Jordan had that 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:31.360 mixed him an international icon. Everybody recognizes that when the 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.560 game's on the line, there's only one person that you 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.000 want with the ball in her hand, and that's Michael Jordan. 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.800 And so look, how how did we take that, bottle 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.720 it up and play in our guys? Right? Just hack mother, 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.959 That's that's kind of the that's the way I want 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.240 to tie this in with the Dallas Cowboys. You mentioned 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.560 the killer instinct, Isaiah talked about the competitiveness. You talk 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.440 about what made Michael Jordan great, and what ended up 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.920 making those nineties Bulls great. It's a lot of what 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.760 you want in a team moving forward, even here in 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.960 twenty twenty. I mean, you can look thirty years down 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.320 the road almost and it's still something that you want 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.320 in your franchise, you want in your team, And it 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.239 seemed like maybe the twenty nineteen Dallas Cowboys didn't necessarily 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.520 have that. They didn't have that go to guy, they 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.160 didn't have that mentality, And you could chalk it up 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:22.840 to the championship mentality or the Mamba mentality, it doesn't 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:24.880 matter what you call it. It's the same sort of 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:29.080 competitiveness and break back type of work ethic, and it 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.520 just seemed like maybe the locker room wasn't on the 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.160 same page. Last year. You had Michael Bennett come in 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.199 and then immediately had to stand up on a table 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.880 in a locker room after a loss, and then that 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.840 just kind of threw things out of lack as well. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.560 But Rob, I want to ask you the question of 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.839 last year's Dallas Cowboys. Why wasn't it something like that 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.920 whenever you had the talent, you had something positive in 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:55.040 your direction, but you just weren't able to put it together. Well, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.319 I think from a leadership standpoint, I mean, you can't. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.440 You can't equate what Michael and presented in sports to 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.640 anything now. It's just it's just not possible. I think. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.280 I think from the Cowboys perspective, they had a young 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:13.360 leadership group last year, and guys like Jason Winton weren't 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.840 his vocal in the past. I think they let some 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.600 of the younger guys take over there, and I think 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.000 they're still trying to settle in their roles there. I 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.199 just think on the field they didn't play. It wasn't 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.800 so much locker room leadership as they didn't do enough 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:33.080 winning things week to week. On the field, they just defensively. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.680 I think some of the issues they hadn't were due 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.160 to trying to make big plays instead of maybe the 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.080 spectacular over the solid type thing, and they weren't able 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.160 to handle certain situations. I mean, Jason Garrett, I know 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.679 he's not here anymore, but he was right in terms 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.120 of handling adversity throughout the courses of games, and I 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.760 don't think they handled that as well as they did 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.320 a couple of years ago. And that's when you don't 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.680 do that, that's why you lose a bunch of close games. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.480 And that's to me, that's what happened, more so than 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.840 than leadership, because I do think a guy like Dak Prescott, 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.880 if you want to make a comparison to what we 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.760 watch in that documentary, you're one of your best players 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.839 is also one of your hardest workers. And I think 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.720 that was that was Jordan's greatest gift is that he 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.520 even said in the dock he won't do he won't 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.880 ask anybody to do anything that he won't do himself, 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.960 and yeah, I think that's that's very important to do. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:27.959 And I do think they have leadership on this team. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:29.800 I'll go to big it back off your point where 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.000 you made some great points. Man. I think one of 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.400 the things that I think that nobody was really expecting 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:39.640 to gain from this particular series was the management that 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.319 it required to manage a canon right and Phil Jackson, 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.600 how he managed grown men and with grown man problems 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.559 and with different personalities, and how he would do with 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.120 to still facilitate all that and make it work right 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.920 and we solve his his his management skills, you know, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.480 especially with Rob men right and the issues that the 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.440 quote unquote issues that Rob mean for in it right. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.199 But he understood Roban, he understood that, you know, what 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.360 he needed right with each individual. He understood how he 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.600 needed to let Jordan be Jordan right, but he also 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.839 knew how to bring everything together. So I think that 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.280 element was kind of was what could possibly have been 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.440 overlooked among us all the greatness that Jordan was providing 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.720 in this series, but you know, managing of men. And 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.520 I think McCarthy coming in and right, it's gonna be 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.199 a big part of that. I think he's he's probably 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.920 a better manager of men, uh they than Garrett was 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.680 in the past, right, And I think that we're gonna 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.319 see that carry out throughout this upcoming season. But playing 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.600 off of somebody, I know, somebody that I consider and 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.120 most people get to consider to be the goat of 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.319 all time football, all time quarterbacks, is Tom Brady. Right. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.120 And the experience that I had been through a TV 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.120 twelve out in New England, and so as I was 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.600 watching the last Dance, I was seeing that resemblance, right. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.679 I was seeing that ferociousness. I was seeing that tenacity, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:52.040 that that unwillingness to be okay with losing that that drive, 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.120 that drive that's from within, right, the goal oriented drive. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.080 Nothing else matters unless I get the ring. I don't 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.240 care about a dog on AFC Championship, you know, I 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.480 don't care about all the playoff runs. I care about 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.440 that last result, which is holding up that dog Lombardi Chorltan, Right, 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.360 and that's all that matter. And I mean there was 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.080 no different when we looked at Jordan Right. So I 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.480 saw a lot of resemblances in terms of my particular 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.440 experience with what we considered to be the goal in football. Yeah, 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.000 and I say I kind of wanted to pick back 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.400 off of that really quickly just before we get to 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.400 hack m up. But Isaiah, how did his mindset and 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.480 how did his championship mentality? Talking about Tom Brady, how 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:31.480 did that affect you as a player? Man? It helped 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.440 me elevate my my expectations of my not only myself 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.360 but my environment. And um, I had came obviously prior 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.120 to Lunch of New England. I was here in Dallas, right, 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.320 So we had a ton of great talent, and individually 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.080 I saw amazing drive within like Jason Witten, you know, individually, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.040 I saw amazing drive within like Tara Horns. So I 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.840 saw I saw, I saw greatness in the individual platform, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.960 but I didn't see it in the sense of, you know, 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:01.720 being out spoken and people really follow only those people, right. Um, 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.760 It's one thing to have somebody great, but it's another 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.160 thing for that person to be great, hold everybody to 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.720 that expectation and everybody be be okay following that person. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.760 And I think that's what did what the difference was 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.280 when I went to New England TV twelve. He had 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.719 all those intangibles that that with mto had in terms 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.600 of drive and competitiveness and all the things that we 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.080 always that we always highlight. However, you got in line, right, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.320 you followed TV twelve, right, and he you know the 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:25.800 same thing with George. He's not gonna ask you do 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.040 anything he's not doing, right, He's gonna study harder, he's 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.000 gonna be there earlier than you. Right, He's gonna hold 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.720 himself to a higher standard. Right, He's him and Belichick's 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.600 gonna call him out right. He had a great manager 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.040 of men, right, Belichick. So all those things, you see, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.040 it's kind of hard to find a great player of 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.280 history that didn't have a great coach, right, and you 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:42.920 know that was kind of leading them along the way. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.280 So you know, I think all those things are the 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.200 things that I identified with TV twelve and my experience, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.320 he just he just outworked you, right, and he didn't lose. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.160 I mean, I could tell you before and before Friday 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.480 practice or after Friday practices, we would go out there. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.320 We will have a competition to see who can who 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.720 can pump the ball within the five yard line, you know, 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.520 and it was myself, him and Horrior and it was 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.960 just competitive. It was crazy how it was so simple 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.160 of the thing just to hey, this is what we 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.320 do on Fridays. But like I could, I could tell 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.760 he hated to lose. And I'm like, I like this, dude, 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.360 he's just like me. And all I get the impression 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.600 that that Tom probably is a guy that invents slights, 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:24.000 just like Jordan did, just anything to get himself going good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:25.520 you know. I mean, it wasn't the what what do 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.800 they call it, heck, they call up the uh not 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.480 the billboards, but what do you call it? Whatever, the 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:35.440 bulletin board material. Always looking for that, right, and we 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.360 end absolutely Coach Belichick leaned on that heavily. I don't 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.160 know if I'm telling his secrets, but he would we 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:45.960 would waiting for for somebody on. He would wait for 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.400 somebody in the opposing team to say something, or you know, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.080 we're Rex Ryan y. Rex Ryan was always talking, you know, 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.640 the big rivalry between the Patriots and the Jets, and 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.680 Rex Ryan would say something crazy and he would post 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.560 it up and he was like, well, guys, I guess 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.160 we're not good enough for guys, I guess we're Yeah, 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.360 and he was and he was just in the meeting 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.640 like that, right, like well, all right, we're gonna practice 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.640 like heck, no, we're not inything like that, right. Yeah, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.840 he just always he was the same way. He just 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:12.360 sat back and that's why you don't see him talk. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.480 He's not gonna give anybody in any bullets board material, right, 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.200 so he just lets everybody else do the talking. And 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.640 then he's relying on you to have that internal driver 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.520 and go out there and bust some money in their mouth. Yeah. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.440 I loved it. And you know the thing that I was, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.440 you know, pointing out to my son is that, you know, 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.440 there are thousands of guys who have played the game 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.720 of basketball and football, but there are a few that 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.040 you can see that has that killer Jean Dna, like 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.800 Michael Jordan has, like Tom Brady has, like all of 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.160 the greats that have come through the game. And you're right, Isaiah, 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.040 that's one of the things you don't think about is 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.800 great coaching, great players, they almost hand the glove, they 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.400 come together. When you think about, you know, a killer 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:55.160 like Lawrence Taylor, you know, and his and his coach 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.080 Parcels being his coach. It's just look, I just felt 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.760 like when when I was watching it and just looking 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:06.439 at how you have guys like Michael Jordan play the 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.800 game and these younger the younger generation taking witness to that. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.679 And also, you know, thinking about the Dallas Cowboys, and 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:17.119 you're right, Rob Dak Prescott is that guy that you know, 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.919 leads by example. He puts it on the line, and 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.040 he's the guy that even with draft status all of 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.320 that stuff, that if the game is on the line, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.840 you know that Dad can get it done for you. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.840 And so I just, you know, I'm hoping that all 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:32.800 of our guys, and I'm sure they were well watching 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.199 the Last Last Dance, but I think it was just 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:39.399 something great to witness for everyone that loves sports. Now, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.040 my question is is, of course, with Michael Jordan and 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.440 with the Last Dance and that whole Bulls dynasty, it 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.600 took time to get to that point. It wasn't an 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.600 overnight thing. They didn't watch a documentary like Heckma just 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.480 said and then all of a sudden half a championship mentality. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.200 It took the preparation and took all of the hard 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:04.160 work leading up to that point. But my question is 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.919 is there's got to be supporting cast around it too. 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.879 It can't just be one guy shouting from the rooftops. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.680 It's got to be a collective group effort. Who else 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.240 needs to get involved because we've we've thrown Dak's name 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.240 out there, and he's of course going to be the 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.560 go to. He's all eyes on him. He's the Cowboys quarterback. Sure, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.840 we're not comparing him to Michael Jordan. We're just talking 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:29.080 about his mentality and his workout. Yes, however, you're gonna 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:30.879 have You're gonna have to have some support group. And 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:32.560 I know you could talk about the offense. But on 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.080 the defensive side of the football, who do you want 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.440 to step up? Who is the leader of that defense 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:43.760 moving forward? Tank Lawrence? Okay, yeah, take yeah, take Lawrence 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.440 as a guy, and thank Lawrence is is the guy 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.800 that you know, comes coming from a small school, uh 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.320 and making it, you know, to the NFL. But what 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.320 he's done on this level, I think what he's done, 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.160 it speaks for itself, you know. And so I see 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.960 Tank Lawrence. If you're doing the correlation between Michael Jordan, 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.840 he's your Dennis Rodman, right, He's your clean up guy. 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.320 And so there's a lot of role players, as you know, 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.720 who's your Scottie Pippen. I don't know, but I'm thinking 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.879 Tank Lawrence particular being one of those role players of 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:19.520 one of those leaders. In conjunction with Dak Prescott, I agree, 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:23.480 and I think it's it's a hard comparison to make 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:28.000 between the two sports because in basketball, takes one guy, 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.280 one guy that can really change the course of your 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.840 entire team with the supporting cast around him. Man Isaiah 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.840 can speak this better than anybody. This is the ultimate 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.320 team sport. And you can have you can have five, 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.080 you can have ten great players, but if you don't 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.879 have one to fifty three guys that can step in 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.040 and fill their roles, that's why we talk about depth 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.639 so much and trying to withstand that because it's it 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.240 really takes an entire group over the course of a 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:58.520 long season to do it. But to answer your question, Kyle, yeah, 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.480 I think I think it starts with Tank because he's 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.159 the senior guy on the defense in terms of the 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:07.080 starting role, every down role. And then after that, you know, 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.240 a healthy Layton vander esh And and some of the 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.520 other young guys have to continue to step forward. Yeah. 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.439 I agree with you guys on that, but one thing 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.320 I want to point out is that you know it 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.480 is a totally different right. It's amazing point. In terms 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:20.640 of the basketball, you got one guy that's a dog 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.240 and he'll you know, take the whole team. But in football, 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.560 you need, from my experience, you need one person and 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.520 all three phases of the game to step up and 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.399 take that take on that role. Right. And usually on 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:33.960 offense side of the ball, we always say it needs 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.679 to be the quarterback. Right on defense, you know, everybody 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:38.359 thinks about a guy like ray Lewis, right, and you 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.520 need somebody who's gonna be that vocal leader in the 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.119