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Speaker 1: Star in fris Joe Live. No your hosts, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Danny Serek, and Kyle Yeomans. It's another

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Speaker 1: beautiful Tuesday, and you know what that means. It's another

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Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: So glad you're all with us, and it is a

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Speaker 1: beautiful day, but it's a better day to talk about

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Speaker 1: your Dallas Cowboys, and we're gonna do just that over

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Speaker 1: the next sixty minutes or so. Kyle Yeoman's Heta Harrison,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah stand Back and the Great Rob Phillips joining us

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Speaker 1: as always. And guys, I just about thirty seconds before

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Speaker 1: this open happened, I continue to put my foot in

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Speaker 1: my mouth, which I feel like I've been doing a

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Speaker 1: lot recently in terms of bets that have been made.

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Speaker 1: And I just lost ten bucks to Heckma. But guys,

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Speaker 1: I at least lived through the half marathon, which is great.

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Speaker 1: But now I gotta take Heckma. The lunch I guess tenago,

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Speaker 1: do it, Kyle and see you you should have learned.

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Speaker 1: You should learn about putting your foot in your mouth.

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Speaker 1: That's just something you're doing in twenty twenty, doll you

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Speaker 1: got you gotta provide a little bit of entertainment. I

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Speaker 1: guess throughout the course set. But as always, we're having

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Speaker 1: some fun and excited to talk with Isaiah again. And Isaiah,

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Speaker 1: I know you're at least probably out of the four

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Speaker 1: of us here, you're the most qualified to have run

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Speaker 1: But have you ever done long distance running before or

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Speaker 1: is that something that I need to hit you up about.

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Speaker 1: So one time I ran about three blocks to a

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Speaker 1: pit bull, got losing the neighborhood. That couch, that couch. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know we got covered or that, But that's

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Speaker 1: about an extent of my long business running. He hit

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Speaker 1: the three blocks, he was gone. Rob's a big time runner.

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Speaker 1: Though I don't think i've run period in like twenty

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Speaker 1: did run the mile back in high school, though, so

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Speaker 1: I could have helped you in like nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: Now so much you don't want to know how old

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Speaker 1: I was in nineteen ninety seven. Let's just let's throw

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Speaker 1: that out there. But we're gonna keep on moving along,

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Speaker 1: not talking about running. We're gonna be talking about the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and we're gonna hit up a Layton vander

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Speaker 1: rash and in his health and the update fair. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the cornerback position and even some of

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Speaker 1: but where we obviously the topic is because we're all

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Speaker 1: has and treated us to the Last Dance. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you, guys, but it was wonderful for

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Speaker 1: me to be able to take a stroll back down

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Speaker 1: memory lane and see the greatness of Michael Jordan. Rob

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you, what did you think about the series?

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Speaker 1: I think we're all about the same age, and man,

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Speaker 1: it was just a ass from the past for me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was about twelve years old when Jordan

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Speaker 1: did you actually because Derek Harper the MAVs. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: so bad and he left for New York and actually

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Speaker 1: It was a nice break for everybody, I think, to

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Speaker 1: storyline that's worthy of a ten hour documentary series? And

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Speaker 1: I think the Dallas Cowboys would have one personally. We

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Speaker 1: did a mail back question on that. I think absolutely

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Speaker 1: about controversy that Thank god they didn't have social media

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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeomans, and guys, we spent that last segment

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Speaker 1: but kind of staying similar, there was a big missing

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Speaker 1: piece to this Dallas Cowboys defense in twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 1: that was Layton Vanderesh, young healthy linebacker going into the season,

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Speaker 1: really looking to take a next step in his second

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Speaker 1: year with the Cowboys. Instead, it was derailed by a

496
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Speaker 1: neck injury and a long road back. Let's just say that,

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Speaker 1: a long road back all the way through, and an

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Speaker 1: uncertain one at that. But some news kind of surface

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Speaker 1: There have been some other articles that have followed up

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Speaker 1: since then. I know Dallas Cowboys dot Com has been

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Speaker 1: on top of it as well. But Rob, what have

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Speaker 1: you heard around Layton Vanderesh and his health and what

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Speaker 1: he anticipates for the twenty twenty season. Yeah, I've heard

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Speaker 1: he is very much indeed on schedule to be back

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. So everything he said in his interview

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Speaker 1: on James Slayer's podcast sounds on point. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: under I'm under the impression that it's my understanding that

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Speaker 1: it took about it's about a four month recovery for

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Speaker 1: the surgery that he had on his neck. And so

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Speaker 1: if you think about January, he's that's about the point

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Speaker 1: you should be at here in mid May. And now

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Speaker 1: what that means for the off season, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he was ever going to be really active in on

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Speaker 1: field stuff during a normal off season program. I think

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Speaker 1: they were always pointing towards training camp, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: how that schedule turns out. But the signs are pointing

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Speaker 1: in the right direction for him for sure. Now, if

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Speaker 1: he is healthy and he is going back in heck,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go right to you here. But if

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Speaker 1: he is healthy and he is coming back, what kind

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Speaker 1: of presence would they be getting back in that defense? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I believe that Layton vander Ess. You asked the question

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Speaker 1: earlier about him missing I believe it was seven games

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Speaker 1: that he missed last season, and I think that was

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Speaker 1: significant to the defense. I mean, his presence was felt

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Speaker 1: immediately his rookie year, and so it played a large impact.

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Speaker 1: But let's just keep it real, guys. I mean, Lady

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Speaker 1: Vanderesh's you know, prior to the injury wasn't typical wolf

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Speaker 1: Hunter form, right, there were some things where you could

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Speaker 1: look go back and just look at a few games

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Speaker 1: where it was like, man, he had offensive you know,

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Speaker 1: tackles and guards kind of blocking him to the gatoray buckets.

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Speaker 1: Not that drastic, but still, you know, he was he

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Speaker 1: was struggling a bit. But now that you know, we

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Speaker 1: get this neck taken care of enough, and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to believe that it was just you know, nerve damage

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Speaker 1: and if you've ever had a stinger, it is horrible,

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Speaker 1: but you typically it subsides after a while, and it's

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Speaker 1: just something that he tried to play through obviously. But

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Speaker 1: when they asked him the question about how he felt

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Speaker 1: he felt, he said, I feel wonderful. And so anybody

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Speaker 1: that says I feel on the floor, I believe him because, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, ask me how I feel on any given day.

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Speaker 1: It's I am good, you know, but wonderful. Yeah, you're

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00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: feeling pretty good. And I look for him to be

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Speaker 1: back and make an impact on this defense because, like

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Speaker 1: I said, his rookie season, man, he was a difference

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Speaker 1: maker out there on the defense. Yeah. Yeah, his his

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Speaker 1: presence is a necessity. Um, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a big kid. I was very skeptical personally,

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Speaker 1: I can admit this. Yeah, they drat when they drafted

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Speaker 1: him that high. I was very skeptical. Um, then I

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Speaker 1: sat back and watched a young young wolf just come

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Speaker 1: out there and be a dog. Oh gosh, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, at that position, a linebacker, there's some grown

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00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: men coming to block you, right, So you gotta get grow.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get thrown into the gatorade every every now

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Speaker 1: and then. And those are the things that really progress

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Speaker 1: you and help you to not experience those things again. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get off these blocks. Right, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: be I'm not gonna be, you know, the dog on

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Speaker 1: the Talk of the locker room this week. But I

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Speaker 1: mean he's long, right, he's rangy um, he's he's aggressive,

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Speaker 1: of he's efficient right with his tackling. I think he

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Speaker 1: plays plays amazing with those other two guys in there.

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Speaker 1: Um And and I'm hoping, I really really hope that

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Speaker 1: somebody who's been through a ton of injuries, I really

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Speaker 1: hope that he's able to come back and be that

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Speaker 1: same player, because it's more mental than it is physical

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Speaker 1: a lot of times, and especially coming off a neck injury.

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Speaker 1: And people need to understand at the linebacker position, you

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Speaker 1: lead with your you leave with your head right. So instinctively,

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Speaker 1: his whole life, he's lead with his head. He's out. Instinctively,

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Speaker 1: he's going to have the urge to want to want

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Speaker 1: to back off, right, or I want to turn to

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Speaker 1: turn my head right now, expose his shoulder right. So

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Speaker 1: I really hope that he's really taking that into account

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Speaker 1: because even though he might say I feel awesome, right,

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00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: he hasn't hit nobody right. So if the game changes

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Speaker 1: when you when you take you know, six four, two

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Speaker 1: hundred and you know, forty whatever pounds he is and

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Speaker 1: you run that into a three hundred pound man, the

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Speaker 1: game changes a little bit. That's such an that's such

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Speaker 1: an important point because it is such a high impact

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Speaker 1: position and that's why you need linebacker death just because

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00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: guys are in collisions all the time. But yeah, if

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00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: he when he when he's at his best, he's like

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Speaker 1: a tone setter on defense some of some of the

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Speaker 1: plays he makes. He's such a physical player, and Jalen

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Speaker 1: Smith can be that way. They can they can raise

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Speaker 1: the level of confidence on defense with a biggest and

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Speaker 1: that's what those guys provide when they're at their energy energy. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have both of those guys Smith, and then you

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Speaker 1: also throw in even Sean Lee, Joe Thomas, that whole

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Speaker 1: linebacking corps. There's a lot of question marks there. There

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00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: still are, and whenever they're at their best. You can

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Speaker 1: say it for pretty much all of those guys. When

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Speaker 1: they're at their best, they're difference makers on the defense

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Speaker 1: and they always have been. That's what the linebacking position is.

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Speaker 1: But with Layton vander Esh, it seems like when he's healthy,

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00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: it makes Jalen Smith a better player. It really does.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing back and forth of what

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Speaker 1: Sean Lee did for so many years in his prime

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Speaker 1: with the Cowboys is he made those around him better

606
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Speaker 1: because he was able to do his job at an

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00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: elevated surface from everybody else. Now with Layton Vanderesh and

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Speaker 1: Isaiah you brought up the point of you You could

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Speaker 1: talk about it as much as you want. You can

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Speaker 1: say I'm feeling healthy, I'm feeling great, but it's different

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Speaker 1: whenever you get into game action, and especially with a

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Speaker 1: neck injury. I don't know how much neck injuries you've

613
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: had to be around throughout your career, but is there

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Speaker 1: anything that sticks out to you in terms of people

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Speaker 1: not necessarily coming back because of that specific area of

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Speaker 1: the body. Man, it's scary. It's as scary as a

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Speaker 1: scary area. You know. I've had two foot surgeries, three

618
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Speaker 1: shoulder surgeries, a knee surgery, and uh and achilles surgery.

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Speaker 1: I've had everything all around the body, right, but i

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Speaker 1: want no parts of that. I's always say I don't

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Speaker 1: want knee surgery. To put the neck in number one. Right.

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Speaker 1: One of my guy, one of my one of my

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Speaker 1: teammates that I respected highly, you know, Ricardo Locket, you know,

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Speaker 1: and he you know, he had to shut it down

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Speaker 1: right because I'm a neck injury very scary. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about guys like Peyton Manning. If Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: didn't play the quarterback position, he would have shut it

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Speaker 1: down right, you know. So, I mean you talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming back from a neck injury because of

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Speaker 1: everything that everything runs through your spine right, everything to

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Speaker 1: your spine. Every that's that's grand central station. So if

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Speaker 1: you hit somebody wrong, you heard heck talking about a stinger.

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Speaker 1: If you guys don't don't know what a stinger is.

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Speaker 1: A stingers when you hit somebody in the nerve gets

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Speaker 1: pinched right, So you pitch your nerve right and you

636
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Speaker 1: lose all sensation, you lose all functionalality, you lose all

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Speaker 1: sensation literally usually in that whole half of your body.

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Speaker 1: So and so that it could have been something as

639
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: simple as that, right, Um, but it could be it

640
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: could have been worse. And we don't really know, right,

641
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: They're not gonna ever tell us what really going down.

642
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: But I hope that it was something very simple. But

643
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: even then, you know, those things come back. It's you know,

644
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: it takes one right angle of hitting somebody right with

645
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: the proper amount of force, and you can be shut

646
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: down again. So as we continue to talk about this depth, right,

647
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: we have three guys that have a history of injuries, Yeah,

648
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: we have We have three guys that have history injuries.

649
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: And trust me, I hate putting the injury label on

650
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 1: somebody because I had right, I had it, and you

651
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: can't control it. However, as a manager, as a general manager,

652
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: you need to prepare for the just in case, Right,

653
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: just in case, these guys have been previous falls to

654
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: previous injuries. Hopefully that doesn't affect their future, but just

655
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: in case it does, I need to make sure that

656
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: we're okay. As an organization in the case that they

657
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: do go down. Yeah, I believe that we are, Isaiah,

658
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: because you know, dealing with the Dallas Cowboys, you get

659
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: the best and so Laden Vanders has the best doctors

660
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: looking at this, you know, the this neck, and so

661
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: if there was any question that he was putting himself

662
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: in danger by coming back to play, I just feel

663
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: that it would be the responsibility of the franchise to say,

664
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, son, you got to shut it down. Uh,

665
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: And he would probably go down as the greatest to

666
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: never be. You know, Laden Vanders is that kind of

667
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: game changer as at the linebacker position. But you also

668
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: talk about the depth cow and you know, and that

669
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: whole and what you said, Isaiah about the injury label

670
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: on this group. You know, I Jalen Smith is the

671
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: one guy to me that I feel this year he's

672
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna be more impactful than people know. And

673
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: the reason being is because of Nolan and the way

674
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: that this defense is gonna be geared. It's gonna allow

675
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: him to play freely and play in different areas. If

676
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: you go back and look at the take from last year, guys,

677
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: our linebackers were getting the business from those offensive linemen,

678
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: and it was because our defensive linemen were just smaller

679
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: guys that were having to hurry up and get, you know,

680
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: through that gap and they were not gobbling up blocks.

681
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: You look at what we have now with Poe and

682
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: McCoy and Gallimore. Look, these are guys that are going

683
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: to be like pac Man down there on the line,

684
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: gobbling up those blocks and allowing for Layton, vander esh

685
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith to run to the ball. Now. Look,

686
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: you know there's been a lot that's been talked about

687
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: about Jaylen Smith actually changing positions because you know, three

688
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: four four three. But either way, I think that he

689
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: is that guy that could be your Swiss Army knife

690
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: that could you know, line up outside the tank and

691
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: rush the passer or you know, blessing up the middle middle.

692
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: He has that kind of talent. And let me just

693
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: say this guy, Jaylen Smith. For all of the knocks

694
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: against Jaylen Smith, this guy came back from an injury

695
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: that gets you know, that retires people. And it's a

696
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: hard one to come back from drop foot, especially plea

697
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: you talk about a neck injury, have drop foot and

698
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: play linebacker, okay, And he's come back from that. Not

699
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: only has he come back from that, he has come

700
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: back from that and has made Pro Bowls and so

701
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna jump out the cake when I say this.

702
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I know it, guys, but to me, there's no way

703
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: that we were supposed to get Jaylen Smith if it

704
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: were not for that Ohio State lineman pushing him in

705
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: the back. All right, we would never have gotten that

706
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: guy in the second round because he would have been

707
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: one of the top fifteen linebacker taking the draft. And

708
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: if you look at who he was at Notre Dame

709
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: prior to that injury, he was the equivalent of Isaiah

710
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: Simmons before Isaiah Simmons, because of his height, because of

711
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: his range. I mean, he's fast enough to play out

712
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: in pass coverage, out in the flat against tight ends,

713
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: running backs, and slot receivers. He has that kind of ability.

714
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: And but just now with the whole changing up the

715
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: guard with a new defense coordinator, I just look for

716
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith to be that guy to you know, to

717
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: take that learned curve and definitely be somebody that you

718
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: know that definitely has more makes more plays and does

719
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: a much better child this year and this new defense

720
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: versus where he was last year. Now, heck, I want

721
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: to I want to be a little bit of a

722
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: devil's advocate here because earlier in that you talked about

723
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and you said two things. He could rush

724
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: the passer, he can blitz up the middle. There's two

725
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: things that he does the same thing in that regard.

726
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: It's run forward. That's his biggest that's his best thing

727
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: is he runs forward. He goes downhill. He's a downhill player.

728
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: He always has been. I don't necessarily think he can

729
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: cover the slot or even some of those faster tight

730
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: ends as well as maybe a number one linebacker should However,

731
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: like you said, you talked about position change and whether

732
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: it's four three to three four. If he's playing downhill

733
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: and Mike Nolan makes him play downhill, I think he's

734
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: going to be successful. You can pair that with the

735
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. I agree with that point completely. I always

736
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. You're gonna take a huge load off of

737
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: those shoulders. Yeah, and I was talking about prior to

738
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: the injury, prior to getting injured in college, and so yeah,

739
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: it's changed his game a lot, and he has to

740
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: be a cerebral player. Because he's playing with a debilitation,

741
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: basically knowing that he had dropped foot. And I know

742
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: we've I've talked with Chris Beam about this and just

743
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: his whole comeback, and Chris documented it. He's healed from it,

744
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: but it has to be something that's in the back

745
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: of his mind. Just like you know Isaiah alluded to

746
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: about playing with the neck injury. You know, hey, it's

747
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: all good, he's just hitting the pad, but it's completely

748
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: different when you're running into a three hundred pound man.

749
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: Now watch this, watch this. Heck man, I'm gonna tie

750
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: this right back around in Isaiah, I'm gonna come to

751
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: you first. Here you talk about the psychological side of

752
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: it and how there is a psychological aspect of these injuries. Yes,

753
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: they're physical. Yes, the surgeries are something that is tactical. However,

754
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: in your mind you always have that in the back

755
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: of it. You always know that you've had these injuries,

756
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: you've been tagged at the injury. But what kind of

757
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: impact does that have on a player? And specifically in

758
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: this case Laton Vandersh Isaiah, who I mean, for me,

759
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: it made me a better person? Um, it took me

760
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: a long time to get over my foot injury, right,

761
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: So you got to talk about the drop foot. Right.

762
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: It took me twelve months really to get back from

763
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: my foot injury. Right when I blew my foot out,

764
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: I had had a total list Frank tore everybody out.

765
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: No thanks, Yes, So I got I got drafted with that.

766
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: So when I that's that's what I saw. That's why

767
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: I respect Thank you, Jerry, I appreciation. Uh, but it does.

768
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: It plays a huge part on you. Even once I

769
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: got past that, I sustained multiple shoulder injuries to the

770
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: same shoulder, all right, and it and it changed me.

771
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: I hate that, I have to admit that. But it

772
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: did change how aggressive I was. It changed the things

773
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: that I would typically do prior to those injuries because

774
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: I was always conscious of it. I didn't want to

775
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: expose it, right, I didn't want to make myself vulnerable

776
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: to potentially reinjuring it again. So it does, you know,

777
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: and again we don't know how how serious of an injury.

778
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: You know, you know, Vanderdesh's neck was, but hopefully it's

779
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: something that he could just write off once he comes out.

780
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: Once training camp gets kicked off and he goes out there,

781
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: it hits his first dude, and boom, I don't feel nothing. Okay,

782
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: he's confident again. Um, and I hope it's just as

783
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: simple as that. But if you've ever reinjured something, and

784
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: trust me, it plays, it plays with your mind. Um,

785
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: it definitely plays with your mind. But you know, and

786
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: one of the things I wanted to touch on was,

787
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, you made a great point, heck about what

788
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: we've done here in the off season in terms of

789
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: our fronts, our front seven. You guys can always hear

790
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: me talking about how important of a role it is

791
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: for Paul McCoy and all those guys that we've acquired

792
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: and what they're going to allow our second level to do,

793
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: and for people out there that are listening, If you

794
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: guys don't understand how important that is, these guys when

795
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about those guys gobbling up office alignment, these

796
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: guys are in the office alignment are not going to

797
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: be allowed right because they're not gonna be freed up

798
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: to work up and have to and and force our

799
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: linebackers to take them on, right, so we don't have

800
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: to worry about Jayala Smith and Sean Lee and Vander

801
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: has taken as much punishment as they did last year,

802
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: because these guys are gonna be gobbled up, so they

803
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: are gonna be able to roam free. And to Rob's point,

804
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: in terms of coverage, Rob, let's keep it real. There

805
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: are these these tight ends that are playing nowadays. No

806
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: linebackers can cover them, right, you know they can't, right,

807
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: So you're gonna rely heavily on your safeties, right, And

808
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be a too high safety heavy

809
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: team anyways, because of our because of what our front

810
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: set was gonna allow for us to play. So it

811
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: was really gonna be on you know, on our on

812
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: our guys in the secondary and you know, Cheeto and

813
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: Haha and those guys like that to be able to

814
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: come down and play man to man. Yeah, play more

815
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: nickel dime in those situations. And but when they they

816
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: have struggled on defense the last couple of years, it's

817
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: been stopping the run. To you guys point, I mean

818
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: you go back to like the twenty eighteen game when

819
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: they went up to India and just got smacked. You know,

820
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: they their linemen were on the second level so quickly,

821
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: and that's that's I think that's what you guys are

822
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: talking about. Um as far as Vanderesh, just one more

823
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: point on that. I will say to Heck's point, he's

824
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: in really good hands with the athletic training staff doctors here,

825
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: and I think I think he's a guy he really

826
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: wanted to keep playing last year and I think he

827
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: loves football so much. I think that that will help

828
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: with the psychological part of it, just being able to

829
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: get back. And there are guys, and I won't say

830
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: this is the exact same injury, but there have been

831
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: guys in Team Mystery that have come back from next surgery.

832
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: Daryl Johnson guys like that, So there are there's a

833
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: history and a familiarity with the organization in doing it.

834
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: So obviously that's the hope. And I think the Cowboys

835
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: feel good about it. They definitely need him back, there's

836
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: no question about that. Hey, shout out to our training

837
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: staff with the Cowboys. I probably know way too much

838
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: about those guys, Jim and Ritt Brown and U doctor

839
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: Cooper and those guys. I can tell you guys haven't

840
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: been through some of the greatest organizations in this league.

841
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: That that group right there is second to none as

842
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: second tone. So for all you guys that may have

843
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: question marks. Okay, so did they make the right decision?

844
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: Those guys right there on top of their game. Yeah,

845
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: and that's huge. It's huge to be able to have

846
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: that at your disposal. But you've also got to come

847
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: back and execute and be on time and things like

848
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: that of being with these timelines whenever it comes to

849
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: this injuries and hopefully Layton Vanders is back. I went

850
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: back yesterday. I'm going to go through all sixteen games

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Speaker 1: last week our first installment of a new segment, and

906
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Speaker 1: then specifically around what's happening on the football field and

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Speaker 1: take away all the offseason Garb that's around this Cowboys

908
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Speaker 1: team and the storylines that have been around. We'll talk

909
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Speaker 1: about that plitty in the first two segments. Guys, we

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Speaker 1: want to talk about football here. That's what this is about.

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Speaker 1: This is what this is about the gridiron. And first

912
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: question is what will Zeke's role be? Now? Last week

913
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: we talked about Tony Pollard and what his potential role

914
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: could be as a wide receiver more so than a

915
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: running back. We talked about that in extent, but I

916
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: want to talk about Ezekiel Elliott because of kind of

917
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: the added talent around the passing game Ceedee Lamb of

918
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: course out of the draft, and you've got Blake Jarwin,

919
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: who's seemingly tight end one that should add some extra

920
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: targets from Dak Prescott then he even got last year.

921
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: But how are you going to find a way to

922
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: get Ezekiel Elliot at the ball? WHEREBB will start with you, Well,

923
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: I think with the weapons they've added in the passing game.

924
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: As you said, I think they have the makings of

925
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: a true pick your poison offense where they can literally

926
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Speaker 1: take what the defense gives him. There's that much talent

927
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: at the skilled positions. But I do not worry about

928
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: Zeke having a big role on this team. And really

929
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 1: the only thing I've got to do is go back

930
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: to early in Mike McCarthy's career pre Packers. Okay, I

931
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: know he was the head coach there for a long time,

932
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Speaker 1: and I know he was part of what you could

933
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: say was a pass happy offense with Aaron Rodgers. Now

934
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: that makes sense logically with Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, he was

935
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: in New Orleans in early two thousands as the Saints

936
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Ricky Williams. They remember the coup the Saints

937
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Speaker 1: trade in their entire draft to get Ricky Williams. That

938
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: would probably ever happened again. But there were a couple

939
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: of seasons in there where Ricky Williams had like three

940
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Speaker 1: hundred plus carries, yes, and was was the offense for them,

941
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Speaker 1: And I think that shows Mike McCarthy is willing to

942
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Speaker 1: use what he has from a personnel standpoint, and for

943
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: that reason, I fully expect Zeke to be, you know,

944
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: have a big role as usual on his offense. He

945
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Speaker 1: go ahead, I Saiah, oh you know, throw it to

946
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Speaker 1: go throw the hackm over. I got it. I got it,

947
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: all right. So so I mean, guys, I mean you

948
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: ask that question, and I'm like everybody else. I've been

949
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: board in the house and in the house board. So

950
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: I've been on NFL game pass watching old you know

951
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: I have, you know I have, and it's just crazy,

952
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, watching Ezekiel Elliott and man, he's just just

953
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: a generational running back and you know this, what his

954
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: role is going to be in this offense is a dog.

955
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, He's he's going to be the pace set

956
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: for for us. And what this offense does. You saw

957
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: last year where teams were still willing to play with

958
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: extra dvs even when the Cowboys came out and run personnel.

959
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: We have got to punish teams for doing that. And

960
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: so with the whole pick your poison mantra that we

961
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: have going here in Dallas now with Ceedee Lamb, that's

962
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: the one thing that I believe that if teams play

963
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: us like that, we have got to give them a

964
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: healthy dose of Ezekiel Eli. And you look at those

965
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: games that you look at the season and like say,

966
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Speaker 1: for instance, games like against Baltimore. All right, we're in

967
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: Baltimore in December. We don't know what that's gonna be

968
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: like as far as the weather, as far as the conditions.

969
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: But I see Ezekieli getting thirty carries in that game.

970
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: That's the Ezekieli game. Because what that does is it

971
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Speaker 1: keeps Lamar Jackson sipping gatorade. You know. So those are

972
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Speaker 1: the kind of things that I believe that Mike McCarthy is.

973
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: He's going to be a difference maker in that. And

974
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: just going over all those you know, old games for

975
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys, he was to play calling. It

976
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: was getting Ezekiel Elliott and rhythm. We ran a lot

977
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: on first downs, but then after that, you know, because

978
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Speaker 1: we were behind them the stakes, we'd have to throw

979
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Speaker 1: the ball to get a first down. And so I

980
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: just look for that, you know, I look for Zeke

981
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: to be a big part of what we're doing this year. Yeah, hey,

982
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: gan Ud like, freaky Zeki's gonna be freaky Zeki. Right,

983
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: there's no there's no change here. He just added more weapons, right,

984
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter if they take the ball out

985
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: of his hands a little bit more, he's still gonna

986
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: get the same production. He just he's that dude. We

987
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: know he's that dude. I think that more than anything,

988
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: he needs to be able to provide that consistency, and

989
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: he needs to be able to provide the energy. I

990
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: really don't see anybody else really providing energy on the

991
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, and momentum such an intricate

992
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: part of this game. You're gonna be able to get

993
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: those seven yards, there's two of yard runs, and he

994
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: needs to be able to get up and do this

995
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: right because everybody feeds off that right. There's there's nobody

996
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: Cooper ain't gonna do it right. And so Cooper gonna

997
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: have a hundred yard run, he's still gonna be right.

998
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: So you mean you need somebody with that energy for

999
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: everybody to feed off of. And actually we're going out

1000
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: managing everything. You need Ze just to be consistent. When

1001
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: we give him a ball, we know we're gonna get

1002
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: positive yardage and he's gonna be gonna be that energy

1003
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: bus for everything else that we're doing on offense. Do

1004
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: you think the energy could come from him in the

1005
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: receiving game as well, because last year, I mean he

1006
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 1: had fifty four receptions sixty eight targets, both of which

1007
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: were some of the tops of his career. But do

1008
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: you think he could bring that energy in the receiving

1009
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: game as well out of the backfield or is it

1010
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: strictly pound the rock, be the belt call and eat

1011
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: up some yards. When you can more screens, more scores, screens,

1012
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: more screens to Zee, good things happen when Zeke gets

1013
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: the ball on the screen game. Rob is adamant about that.

1014
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: Let's go more screens to Zee. I mean, damn, every

1015
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: time he gets one, it's still it's like a seventy

1016
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: yard touchdown to seem you know, but against the Lions maybe, yeah, true, true,

1017
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: I mean quietly, I think he had a season where

1018
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: he had seventy five seventy six catches. He has that

1019
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: in his his arsenal for sure. Yeah, that's you say it. Man.

1020
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: Those screenplays when and especially with the kind of speed

1021
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: that we have on the outside, running everybody off and

1022
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: then just sneaking Zeke underneath is something that you see

1023
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: the Cowboys doing it. And again that's just something he

1024
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: has in his arsenal. He's a great receiver out of

1025
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: the backfield, so we have to use every talent, everything

1026
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: that he has. Yeah, there's not gonna be any shortage.

1027
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: He doesn't matter how he gets the ball. It doesn't

1028
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: matter how anybody the vocus gets the ball. You know,

1029
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: like you guys talking about we we have the jack

1030
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: of all chase to the Swiss army knife as we

1031
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: refer to of offenses. So it doesn't matter how they

1032
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, they decided on getting everybody in the rock

1033
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: as long as people are getting positive yardage and you know,

1034
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: and we're rolling this thing and we're able to strike

1035
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,479
Speaker 1: fast when needed, we're able to withstand drives when needed,

1036
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: depending on who who our opponent is. Um, we I

1037
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: think we have everything we need to really control that,

1038
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: right m If we're playing, if we're playing in Baltimore

1039
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: and Lamar and those guys are gonna be striking. Fact,

1040
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: guess what we need to be able to hit him

1041
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: when we need to hit him, if we if we

1042
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: need to keep somebody like that off the field, and

1043
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: guess what, y receivers, block your butts off and let's

1044
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: hand this thing off, right so we can do whatever

1045
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: we want to do. I'm interested to see what we

1046
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: don't do right more so than what we are going

1047
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: to do, because there's because you have so many options.

1048
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: You do have a ton of options, and that's kind

1049
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: of the fun part about it, and that's what makes

1050
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: people so excited about this offense. Moving forward. Now, I

1051
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: want to put you guys in Kellen Moore's shoes, which

1052
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: at this point looks like it's a fun place to

1053
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: be because you've got a new coaching staff around you

1054
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: and you've got a bunch of new talents. But I

1055
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about the receiving position. And you could argue,

1056
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: because of how talented this receiving corps is, you don't

1057
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: necessarily even need Ezekiel Elliott to bring the energy in

1058
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: the passing game because you have enough energy in what

1059
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott in these receivers and even Lake jarwinet tied

1060
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: End could bring to the table. But I want to ask,

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Speaker 1: who would you put in the slot? And the question is,

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00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: because whenever Cede Lamb was drafted, it was almost automatic.

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00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: Let's throw CD Lamb into the slot. But I I

1064
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 1: want to play Devil's advocate with that point a little bit,

1065
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: just based off of the fact that college, or at

1066
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: least in twenty nineteen, Cede Lamb had twenty five slot receptions,

1067
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: which is tied for one hundred and fortieth in the

1068
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: draft class. Then you turn around and you have slot yards.

1069
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: He was successful in the slot six hundred plus yards

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00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: as a slot receiver, which was forty six. So you

1071
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: still have a kind of a at least a disconnect

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00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: in that regard of CD Lamb being in the slot.

1073
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: But who would you put in the slot? And heckmo

1074
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: we'll start with you, man, Michael Gallup is open right now.

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00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, this is let's keep it real

1076
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: to me. Man. If I'm if I'm playing Kelly Moore,

1077
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: I come into this room of a talented group of

1078
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: wide receivers and I know that these guys are all

1079
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: chumping at the bit to contribute. You. You draft Cede

1080
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: Lamb and you know he's a number one receiver, So

1081
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: in essence, you have two number one receivers in Lamb

1082
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: and Cooper, and you have to treat him as such.

1083
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: If I'm Michael Gallup, I don't care where you put me.

1084
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: You put me in the slot, I'm gonna man handle

1085
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: a strong safety. There's no way, and if you look

1086
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: at our team right now, you would be it would

1087
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: be the equivalent of having Xavier Woods on Michael Gallup

1088
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: in the slot. I think that's advantaged Michael Gallop and

1089
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to Xavier Woods. But I'm just saying,

1090
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about the talent level of a

1091
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, it doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. But

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00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: at the same time, I believe that it's going to

1093
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: be the translation that we're gonna have form from Mike

1094
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: McCarthy to this offense and getting these guys in rhythm.

1095
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: It's what's gonna be important. But man, that's that's a

1096
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,479
Speaker 1: tough question. But I really feel like it doesn't matter

1097
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: which guy goes to the slot. But if I'm Michael Gallup,

1098
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 1: I want to go to the be the slot receiver. Yeah.

1099
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: It reminds me of my time when I was underneath

1100
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: Billy O'Brien and you know, I was out there with myself,

1101
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: Joey Galloway, West, Wealcare, Randy Moss. It really didn't matter

1102
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: who was were, and you had to learn everything right

1103
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: and that that freedom as a for an offensive coordinator

1104
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: is absolutely everything because now everything's on the table. I

1105
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: can call whatever formation I want to. I can mess

1106
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: around with with with defenses. I could run some motions.

1107
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: I could run motions to put guys and positions that

1108
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily in when we lined up, UM to

1109
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: create different matchups. So there's all kinds of different things

1110
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: that you could do to trick around and mess around

1111
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: with your defense. But um, in terms of just the

1112
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: stakehol if we're going three wide, receiver said, I I

1113
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: agree with my guy ahead. I think that you put

1114
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: CD on the outside where he's comfortable, where he's comfortable

1115
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: UM coming into this league, and you allow Gallop with

1116
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: his speed if Hopelly, I'm mentioned to see how shifty

1117
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: is in terms of lattermomillion. You know, we get off

1118
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: the ball from it inside the slot, but at which

1119
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: one of those. That's one thing that you want from

1120
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: a slot, somebod who's shifting, who can get get open immediately.

1121
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: And then you also want somebody who can get on

1122
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: the safety's tolls as fast as possible. And I think

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: that's what that's what gallup really presents. From that position,

1124
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: and like and like we already attested to, you're gonna

1125
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: be facing either their third best corner right, you're gonna

1126
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: be facing their safety. So his ability to just blaze

1127
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: on why anybody can get on the toes of the safety,

1128
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: especially as a single high safety right is going to

1129
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: cause some problems because those outside guys cool and UH

1130
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: and CD will be able to eat all day long. Man,

1131
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: you guys really hit on it. I mean, Mike McCarthy

1132
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: one reason why he loved this pick so much was

1133
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: it adds to a stable receivers that he thinks can

1134
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: play every position, play inside out, that's what that's what

1135
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: he does, is what he did with his receivers in

1136
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: Green Bay. And so yeah, I think I think you're

1137
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: gonna see all of him kind of move around. I

1138
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: like cd skill set for the slot personally, but you

1139
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: guys are write about Gallup and and Amari Cooper is

1140
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: a guy that can go inside and be effected playing

1141
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: the slot. He's done it here and it also is

1142
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: a way to get him away from double coverage at

1143
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: times too. So I think you're gonna see Amri in

1144
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: there at I think you see may see all of

1145
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: him move around, because that's what McCarthy likes to do.

1146
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: Seeing I was a little surprised that you didn't say

1147
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: Cooper and go ahead, heckma, no, I think what Rob's

1148
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: what the point that Rob makes about Coverage being rolled

1149
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: to Almara Cooper and actually putting him in the slot,

1150
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: that's a ton of offenses do that with their you

1151
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: know number one guy, put him in the slot, move

1152
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: them around. That was one of the arguments about Davis

1153
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: Bryant back in the day is it's getting him from

1154
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: the outside and moving him around in this offense to

1155
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: give him more exposure in the offense. And so again,

1156
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: I you know just what Rob was saying. I think

1157
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: that is the biggest point is that you take your

1158
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: lead dog and you look at any advantages that you

1159
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: have against defenses, and you put him in there. All

1160
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: three of these guys are gonna be interchangeable. And do

1161
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: you see a lot of motion and you see a

1162
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: lot of trickery and things like that. Isaiah, I know

1163
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned it just switching things around and opening up

1164
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: the playbook. I think the playbooks as opens as it

1165
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: ever has been for a guy like Kellen Moore to

1166
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: kind of do some of those gimmicky things before pre

1167
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: snap that can set you yourself up for success. Yeah. Absolutely,

1168
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: And I was a saying too. You know when I

1169
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: was with Billy Oh, and we had all those receivers, right,

1170
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: we had a ridiculous amount of receivers, right, everybody. As

1171
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: long as everybody's smart enough to learn all the formations

1172
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: and smart enough to learn all the different personnel groupings.

1173
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,479
Speaker 1: You give that officer a coordinator pretty much a blank sheet,

1174
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: and he can do whateverything he wants to, and you can.

1175
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: You can you can line up in those just basic formations,

1176
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: or guess what I can line up with? You know,

1177
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: CD outside and I guess, okay, we're coming on CDs outside,

1178
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, coops on the outside and gallops in the slot.

1179
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I motioned CD down and we're

1180
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: doing a switch release, and all of a sudden, gallops

1181
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: going outside and CD's working in on the inside of

1182
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: the linebacker. So you could do whatever the heck you

1183
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: want to, and motion is going to be a huge

1184
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: part of it, not only just because of declaration of coverages,

1185
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: but also for the standpoint of just matchups you can create.

1186
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: If you have a smart offers, a coordinator, you have

1187
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: VERSUSIL players, you can create the matchups that you want

1188
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: and when you're able to do that, you can't be stopped.

1189
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting because, like the point is is,

1190
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: you could throw Cooper in the slot, you could throw

1191
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: Gallop in the slot, you could throw CD Lamb in

1192
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: the slot, and all three should be successful enough to

1193
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: be able to to have some some impact. By some impact,

1194
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean quite a bit of impact for Dak Prescott

1195
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: and what he's able to do come this season. And

1196
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: we're running out of time here, guys, but just real

1197
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: quickly looking ahead a little bit now. The next week

1198
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys, we're gonna talk about the right defensive

1199
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: end spot, and there's gonna be a couple of those

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00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: names thrown in there, like an Alden Smith, like a

1201
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, two guys that are looking to be reinstated.

1202
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: But you're also going to look at that Bradley and

1203
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: I pick from the twenty twenty draft class and what

1204
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: that actually means for that right defensive end spot is

1205
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: just real fast, rapid fire. Before we close things out,

1206
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: is this defense better this year than last year? On paper?

1207
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Before we get into next week's conversation

1208
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: and debate, absolutely, wow, you think so? Yeah? What you say,

1209
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: Rob if those guys are reinstated, I say yes, and

1210
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: obviously they're optimistic about that. You still got to sort

1211
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: out the cornerback spot. Man. We tried to rank all

1212
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: those guys last week on the website. Who'd you have it? One? Rob?

1213
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: Who'd you have it one? Rob? We had? We had

1214
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis one. Actually, Wow, Jordan Lewis at one now,

1215
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: which is which is a little strange, right because he's

1216
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: not Wow, He's not six five playing quarterball. But they've

1217
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: got to sort that part out. But I think the

1218
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: front seven, yes, they got they got a chance to

1219
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: be better and make the defense better that way. I

1220
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: agree with you, guys. We're gonna talk about that cornerback

1221
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: spot and the ranks that did come out in terms

1222
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: of that position next week as well. So there's gonna

1223
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: be a lot of defensive talk next week, while we

1224
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: talked a lot of offense this week. But that is

1225
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Speaker 1: gonna do it here for talking cowboys here on this

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. Glad you've been with us throughout the entirety

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Speaker 1: of the last hour. But for Heck Harrison, for Isaiah Standback,

1228
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: and for the great Rob Phillips. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying

1229
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Speaker 1: so long, We'll see you next week here on Talking Cowboys.

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