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Speaker 1: was still the president. They disbanded it. You know, so

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Speaker 1: in two years after they've been fighting in combat, you know,

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Speaker 1: with one sentence comment on the Marine Corps said it's

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Speaker 1: not in the best centest of the Marine Corps to

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Speaker 1: have an elite with an elite. So now you fast

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Speaker 1: forward into the twenty one century and you have the

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Speaker 1: same kind of mentality and the Marine Corps resisting telling Rumsfeld, no,

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Speaker 1: you know, Marine Corps thought, you know, Bush and Rumsfeld

436
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Speaker 1: would be a one term team. Ended up that he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: In oh four he got reelected and the first thing

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Speaker 1: after election in oh five, Rumsfeld said, Marine Corps, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna stand up Special Operations Command, and so that order

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Speaker 1: came in oh five. We were the first task force

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Speaker 1: that stood up. And I was six and we deployed No.

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Speaker 1: Seven and you know, I equated like in The Godfather,

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Speaker 1: you have you know, you have the sect deaf. Donald Rumsfeld,

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Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense, and he had this arranged marriage between

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Speaker 1: General Brown, the commander at the time of US Special

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Speaker 1: Operations come in in the Marine Corps. Uh. Who General Hagy.

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Speaker 1: It was a comment on the Marine Corps. He didn't

448
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Speaker 1: neither of them wanted this arrange of marriage. And we

449
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Speaker 1: were the one that was birthed in Uh. You know.

450
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Speaker 1: They they wanted to terminate the life of this this baby.

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Speaker 1: So we go and they put us in the oddest

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Speaker 1: place in Afghanistan. And this is if you go back

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Speaker 1: in history, it's not that far, but if you look

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Speaker 1: at what was going on in OH six and oh seven,

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Speaker 1: and this is kind of interesting. Um, you saw full

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Speaker 1: length paid ads in the New York Times calling General

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Speaker 1: Betray Petreus. They ran ads in the New York Times

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Speaker 1: saying General Beatreus, he was, yeah, urging a surge of

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Speaker 1: forces into Iraq. So while Afghanistan became the economy of

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Speaker 1: force mission and looked, you know, phenomenal, like nothing was happening,

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Speaker 1: and there was a little resurgence that was going on

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Speaker 1: and in oh five, but you know, we had put

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Speaker 1: them on their heels. But in that Iraq it was

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Speaker 1: a totally different story. It was turning into a really bad,

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Speaker 1: bloody situation. And then you started having the political situation

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Speaker 1: occur with you know, accusations, not jaz Abu Grab the

467
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Speaker 1: big famous one. But you know, your listeners are probably

468
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Speaker 1: familiar with the Hedia situation. And you know Congressman Jack

469
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Speaker 1: Martha from Pennsylvania's slamming these marines. He himself was a

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Speaker 1: marine in Vietnam, and he said, these marines killed these

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Speaker 1: innocent Iraqis in cold blood. And when you do that

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Speaker 1: during a criminal investigation, I mean, how how are guys

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Speaker 1: supposed to get a fair shake? How is that the

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Speaker 1: presumption of innocence and you had these cases like going

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Speaker 1: going on like that with Navy seals. Yet it going

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Speaker 1: on another situation Iraq with Hadiza or Hamnania the big

477
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Speaker 1: one though, yeah, Abi Gray was the biggest one. But

478
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Speaker 1: then I mean look fast forward to now. I mean

479
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Speaker 1: the guys who are really out there still not just

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Speaker 1: training but fighting. You see, you know Major Goldstein, you

481
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Speaker 1: know you have Army Green Rays, you have Navy chiefs

482
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Speaker 1: and who are seals you know, you know, getting carted off,

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Speaker 1: read their rights, taken into jail in the brig I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is this is becoming the scene that America who

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Speaker 1: depends on a strong not just a military, but a

486
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Speaker 1: strong one. What American parents and their children want to say, Hey,

487
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Speaker 1: that's that's what I want from my son. I And

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of and and it's a special breed

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Speaker 1: of person that decides that I want to just not

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Speaker 1: just serve in the military, but in special operations and

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Speaker 1: face the risks and the really fuel and the criticisms

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Speaker 1: that come with that. That's a that's a type a person. So,

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Speaker 1: but we we did have some issues in the Marine Corps.

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Speaker 1: Marine Corps didn't want to support this. They didn't give

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Speaker 1: us any of the support personnel whatsoever. So when you

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Speaker 1: put somebody in an austere environment with zero support personnel,

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Speaker 1: well of course you're gonna fail. And you know, as

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Speaker 1: you know, and I was raised in the Catholic Church,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's beliefs that you're taught, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're growing up in a small parish and attending

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Speaker 1: Catholic schools that there's the infallibility at the Pope. And

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Speaker 1: the Marine Corps also has a little bad right now,

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Speaker 1: I'll compare the Marine Corps ysked, like my opinions, and

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Speaker 1: some Marine Corps is kind of cultish and a lot

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Speaker 1: of things in special operations are. But the Marine Corps

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Speaker 1: we don't have a you know, a song, right, we

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Speaker 1: have a hymn and we believe, you know, they believe

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Speaker 1: like the infallibility of the Pope, and the Catholic Church

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Speaker 1: will believe in the infallibility of you know, not just

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Speaker 1: a common out of the Marine Corps. And look how

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Speaker 1: people revere General Madison everything. People think, you know, Saint

512
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Speaker 1: James and they think that, you know, Marine Corps General

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Speaker 1: is infallible and don't say anything when if you tell

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Speaker 1: a marine you know, to say something bad it will

515
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Speaker 1: not happen. I mean that's basically that's like barbecue and

516
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Speaker 1: a bald eagle on a baseball bat before which a

517
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Speaker 1: lot of it's completely unpatriotic. People will like stone you

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Speaker 1: in this day and age, and that's the one sacra

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Speaker 1: saying thing. And people can kneel in an anthem, but

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Speaker 1: they're definitely not bad mouth General Madis or marine. But

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Speaker 1: when you have absolute power like that, and you know people,

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Speaker 1: some people told me like, well, General Conway, who was

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Speaker 1: a common on the wrinkle, he stood up for you guys,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, actually he had some conversations

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Speaker 1: with General Pace, who at the time, I mean General

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Speaker 1: Conway was a commandant in oh seven and General Pace

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Speaker 1: with his Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff in General Pace,

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Speaker 1: if you and I can send you the stuff for

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Speaker 1: your show, notes like General Pace, and in April of

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Speaker 1: oh seven, during a ongoing criminal investigation, that he discussed

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Speaker 1: this matter with MARSK with the Commanant, and the Commanant

532
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Speaker 1: was clearly disappointed in those marines. When marines are gonna

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Speaker 1: go to a military trial and the Commonant is clearly disappointed.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't like a jury of your peer is

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Speaker 1: in the civilian world where you know they're uninfluenced. This

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Speaker 1: is I mean, there is death in the military if

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Speaker 1: you want to get promoted, and it's nothing out organizations,

538
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Speaker 1: so you just can't stay in at the same rank forever.

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Speaker 1: And like the paycheck, like a lot of jobs out

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Speaker 1: in the civil in the world, so you're either you've

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Speaker 1: depend on getting promoted or your career is over. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, a panel of your peers is it

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Speaker 1: truly you know, unbiased when you have the general pace

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Speaker 1: making statements like that to the press. So you know,

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Speaker 1: the thing is with the infallibility theory, you know, people

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Speaker 1: don't go back there. They're not going to say whoops,

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Speaker 1: you know, tell me, Yeah, tell me a case where

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Speaker 1: any military general or admiral has said, oops, we put

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Speaker 1: that one in the bleachers and you know that I

550
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Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, tell me. But that's the that

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Speaker 1: led to a lot of problems with But there was

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Speaker 1: also the the factional and political aspect of us that

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that the Marine Corps just did not want

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Speaker 1: you guys, And I mean, did did you get the

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Speaker 1: feeling also that the army didn't want you guys? Because

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Speaker 1: they see you as kind of encroaching on our territory

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Speaker 1: as as special operations. It's good point. And I'll even

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Speaker 1: go a step further with the geopolitical. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: some I did get into a PhD program, but I'm

560
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Speaker 1: not some big brain. But when you talk about you know,

561
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Speaker 1: the haters, and it's haters are gonna hate. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that jealousy inside special operations community. But

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Speaker 1: you take one layer out above in the political world.

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Speaker 1: Oh seven, what do we have? Well, we had exactly

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Speaker 1: what's going on right now two thousand and nineteen, the

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Speaker 1: start of you know, a primary election for the presidency,

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Speaker 1: and you know everybody you know seven, it was Look,

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Speaker 1: George Bush brought us, He lied and got into Iraq.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to say one way or another

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Speaker 1: other than saying what certain parties were saying. You know,

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Speaker 1: So what was going on was hellied to get us

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Speaker 1: in Iraq. Now we're uh surging over a hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: Americans into Iraq and people are bleeding and dying. And

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Speaker 1: look at all the money that we're spending and we're

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Speaker 1: getting nowhere. And now look we've got marines killing civilians

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Speaker 1: in Hadita and in Hondania in all these terrible war

577
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Speaker 1: crimes case and now, oh and this is gearing up,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the Republicans had the White House and

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Speaker 1: oh seven and and people were making the accusations against

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Speaker 1: you know, the GOP because they are the ones in power. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: we've got marine United States Special Operations marines killing civilians,

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Speaker 1: the largest body count of servian casualties in Afghanistan. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so I didn't realize the time, being a young guy

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Speaker 1: from growing up in Kansas, but we were pawns that

585
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Speaker 1: people were putting these pieces together, connecting the dots and

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Speaker 1: these data points and saying and blaming you know this.

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Speaker 1: We were a political pawn and a tool for people

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Speaker 1: to you know, criticize. And the General Kearneys went to

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post in the New York Times repeatedly and

590
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Speaker 1: threw us under the bus until Congressman Walter Jones heard

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Speaker 1: General Nicholson and Colonel Nicholson at the time, you know,

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Speaker 1: making up televised you know, speech to the Pentagon Press Corps,

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Speaker 1: and said, this is a terrible, terrible stake, this is

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Speaker 1: a stain on our honor. He apologized on behalf of America.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is during a criminal investigation, which he

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Speaker 1: says in that same interview, I can't talk about this

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Speaker 1: because there's an ongoing Naval Criminal Investigative Service investigations. Like well,

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Speaker 1: you just you said that these Marines killed nineteen civilians

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Speaker 1: and wounded. I mean, how I don't know how that

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Speaker 1: got got promoted four stars or you know, he has

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Speaker 1: not been investigated. But um, were they hoping if this

602
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Speaker 1: was going to shut down MARSOC permanently, Like this was

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Speaker 1: just going to knock the Marine Corps right out of

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Speaker 1: the Special operations game? You know, that would be assumption.

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Speaker 1: But I think you know, I mean we did hear

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Speaker 1: General Major General at the time Haleck, who was a

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Speaker 1: commanding general of Marine Special Operations Command. He he went

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Speaker 1: around to different commands, and you know, there was sadly,

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Speaker 1: forgive this mortal sin that there was a marine in

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Speaker 1: the Philippines, you know, doing a training mission with the

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Speaker 1: Philippine Special Operations who had rolled his sleeves on his

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Speaker 1: military uniform sleeves up, you know, toward it's in the

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Speaker 1: middle of his forearm, and you know, the general is

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Speaker 1: so outraged. He made a statement all across Marstock that

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Speaker 1: if he saw this was shortly after our incident in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: that he was going to disband the organization. But when

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Speaker 1: you look at some of the other telltale signs and

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Speaker 1: his reconnaissance marine and our special operator, you're trained not

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Speaker 1: only to see what is seen, but you're to report

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Speaker 1: what the unseen. You know, we don't see you know, infantry,

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Speaker 1: fighting vehicles on the battlefield. The commander needs to know

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Speaker 1: what is seen and unseen. And what I mean by

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Speaker 1: that is, you know what was going on in oh

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Speaker 1: six and oh seven and oh eight when we you know,

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Speaker 1: we're standing up the Marine Special Operations commanded. I was

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Speaker 1: told we are not going to procure any additional weapons,

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Speaker 1: even though we had manpower that drew from there was

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Speaker 1: three hundred roughly three D four three comrades and ring

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Speaker 1: corps and you know five and then we're expanding to fifties.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the weapons for three hundred guys you

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Speaker 1: can't outfit, you know. But they's like, hey, I think

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Speaker 1: they planned on this being short lived. And you say

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Speaker 1: the governments make an assumption, well, no military construction. That's

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Speaker 1: the key to when you start, you know, when you

635
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Speaker 1: shift from like we were from living in trailers. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's temporary and that can easily go away, like the

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Speaker 1: Marine Raiders world War two. That one he actually it

638
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: stands up for you know, a deployment and then it's gone, right,

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Speaker 1: But when you actually put concrete down, when you you know,

640
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: the government approves military construction, there's capital expenditures that going

641
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: to the earth and permits and that is permanency and

642
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: none of that was you know, initially it took years

643
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: for that to develop and uh, you know, finally I think,

644
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, with a new administration after eight there was

645
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: that acceptance that Marsak is going to be here to stay,

646
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: even after Rumsfeld and Bush had left. And you know,

647
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: when you look at it, think, I mean, I know,

648
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: harbor resentment. I mean, the Marine Special Operators are out

649
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 1: there deployed dozens of locations around the globe right now

650
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: with with their brothers and doing incredible work and the

651
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: risk and lives, it's what they're doing is amazing, like whateen.

652
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: And I mean they're over there building relationships with the

653
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: Philippine Marine Corps. I mean, they're they're out there doing

654
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: great stuff. Yes, And you're right, a lot of people

655
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: don't know about you know, what's going on the Philippines,

656
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a fight over there right now

657
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: that you know is largely ignored, but it's a it's

658
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: those Marines. You know, there's there's Green brays and seals

659
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: and others around the globe doing what they do. And

660
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: it just took time to accept. And you know, there

661
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: was a stigma that you know, guys have heard this

662
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: and you know, unless somebody was there and like at

663
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: at the ambush site and then shut your mouth, you're

664
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: not night witness. You're just and again, you know, when

665
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: you're criticizing somebody that you know was in the arenas

666
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: Roosevelt said, you know, it's you know, that's to me,

667
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: that's the lowest form of you know, cowardice is you know,

668
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: you're kicking somebody for something that you don't even know about.

669
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: You don't even have the facts. It's just conjecture. It's

670
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: and there was too much of that this Department of

671
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: the name. The report, which Nick Kaufman wrote about it,

672
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: came out and beginning of January last month, in two thousand,

673
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: nineteen twelve page report and again that was a panel

674
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: of senior Navy civilians that didn't have any person from

675
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: the defense actually present at all. There was just a

676
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: petition that was submitted. They looked and examined the whole

677
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: case in two thousand and eighteen, and you know, like

678
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: my attorney said, he's like Fred. They normally have a

679
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: one page the final report that comes out that's so

680
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: vague you don't even know what the case about. They

681
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: went into twelve pages that said that investigation was either

682
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: the investigator was either grossly negligent or had a predetermined outcome.

683
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: And it talked about another case I wanted to bring

684
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: up that is tangential because you know, some people think

685
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: this guy must be crazy. Volunteered, you know, after this

686
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: MARSC case. Yeah, I immediately went overseas, was permanently assigned

687
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: for over a three year assignment overseas, and I to

688
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: Afghanistan from there again. And we were involved in this

689
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: other situation when I was operations officer a recon battalion

690
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: in the in the Upper Saging Valley and you know,

691
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: battanian commander led to dropping a five pound bomb thirty

692
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: six away from it recompetune that was being enveloped and

693
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: it was a bad situation. And the Department of the

694
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: Navy made some very scathing comments on that. Uh, the

695
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: decision of the tank commander who who told me after

696
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: that he didn't just drop a five pound bomb. He

697
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: also dropped, you know, after that, reinforce it with two

698
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: high Mars rockets. There's six seventy five pound warheads. Yeah,

699
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: and so our guys little did we no, you know,

700
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: I was operations officer and the fire support coordinator. These

701
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: guys were in a ditch that the map didn't have

702
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: this micro train and we didn't have and I s

703
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: R feed showing us the you know, the live video

704
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: over these guys down there. So we thought they were

705
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: in the open just duking it out with taliband and uh,

706
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, I thought, hey, this guy's given our own

707
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: lads a death sentence. When we had four pound laser

708
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: guided you know shape charges which use over pressure to

709
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: kill that don't blast shrapnel three dimensionally, and we also

710
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: had a TINT so we had a griffin, which is

711
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: a laser guided four pound high explosive charge, and we

712
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: had a healthfire ten pounds laser guided immediately available. You know.

713
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: The commander Nope, I'm gonna go with five and the

714
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: six D seventy five pound. You know, it's sad because

715
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: these marines were not ever medically evaluated for traumatic brain injury.

716
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: And horrible thing happened two years ago when young Sergeant Stevenson,

717
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: who came back after he was not medically evaluated, he

718
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: left the military. I was trying to get help at

719
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: the v A, but nothing was in his medical record,

720
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: started to self medicaid, kept telling his mom and Daddy's

721
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna blow his fucking brains out. And after his mom

722
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: scheduled an appointment with the wizard following morning, she had

723
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: an appointment before his girlfriend walked in his apartment down

724
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: Louisiana April almost two years ago, and I found him hung.

725
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: That a young sergeant who gotten out hung himself. So

726
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: this is a reality that happens. And when commanders that

727
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: aren't responsible for that, that, you know, make these statements

728
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: to me directly afterwards it you know, I'm willing to

729
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: sacrifice the lives of these marines, will you know? I

730
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: was a Beatoon commander for its free kind of the

731
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: height of the insurgency in IACK, and I've gone through

732
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: many breaches and been in some bad places, and I

733
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: realized Marines lies. You know, you're World war when you

734
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: want to wave old glories somewhere. You know, there's guys

735
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: who have to put bullets in people's heads, and that's accepted,

736
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: I got it. But to needlessly make decisions that are

737
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: needlessly going to kill American lies, that is immoral. And

738
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: that's what that Navy report. It used words as in

739
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: more role on just and professional. That commander who he

740
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: didn't just you know, have a successful combat deployment as

741
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: he wanted to gave him a bron star again, never

742
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: fired his weapon, give a bron star. You know, it

743
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: came back, got promoted to colonel, went to not just

744
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: top level school, but the Naval National Defense University in Washington,

745
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: d C. The most prestigious one. And then it's assigned

746
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: a joint staff built in the Pentagon and he's at MARSK.

747
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: Is not ready to take command of a OH six

748
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: command in Marsks, you know. But the the sad thing

749
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: is that the Pentagon that report. You know, people say,

750
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: what's the difference. Now, you know, you've had some things

751
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: with Congress and the press, but this is from the Pentagon,

752
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: and it is substantiates that wrong was conducted at names names,

753
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: and it's not just a media and to include Nick Coffin.

754
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: Nick wrote the most detailed report and applaud him for

755
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: his you know, courage, and you know, our relationship goes

756
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: back to two thousands sixteen when I was in grad

757
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: school and you know, in this residency over in China

758
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: and sent him ten thousand pages and you know, classified

759
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: courtroom statements and you know, the poor guy, you know,

760
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: it was largely were dapted to all the nouns. You know,

761
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: he didn't know the names. And I was from Shanghai

762
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: and Beijing. I was sitting there, you know, this is

763
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: who this is. But you know he has written and

764
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: your fans really should go back in there and read Nick.

765
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: It's like a ten or twelve Yeah, and he's he's

766
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: written what is like over I think it's over two

767
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: word back in pages. It's a full, thorough accountant. Some

768
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: people you can't say he paraphrase because he just has

769
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: literally the transcripts from the courtroom, you know, scratched out

770
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: secret no forms. So it's just page after page and

771
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: you can't argue that's that's not a paraphrase. It's the

772
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: actual verbatim transcripts. So there's a lot of people that uh,

773
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, they bury their head in the sand. And

774
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: when you have that as an institution, and when your

775
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: mindset is protect the institution at all costs, despite you

776
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: know these you know, frontline foot soldiers that can be

777
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: looked at as cannon fodder. That's a moral hazard in America.

778
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: And it's not a you know, right looking or left

779
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: wing issue. I mean, people get so politicized and like

780
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: what side of the campus, and this is a national

781
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: defense issue, and there's so many people that just have

782
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: to tie it to a party and they don't understand it.

783
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: You know, the right and the left, you know what

784
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: they're attached to. It's the same dirty crooked bird. Whether

785
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: you're an extreme mone either in I mean, you can't.

786
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: This is America and that is the lives of Americans

787
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: that are When you accept to just blow up young men,

788
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: that is that's moral. And when I have to defend

789
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: myself again like it at MARSOC that second case with

790
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: a polygraph not from any job, but the president of

791
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: American Polygraph Association, because that commander said, not once, but

792
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: twice to me, Fred, I'm willing to sacrifice live these Marines,

793
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: and I need to make sure you're going to do

794
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: the same thing in all future occasions. I mean that

795
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: that has to be accounted for. We can't have commanders,

796
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: but we do. They're out there right now, still in circulation. So, Fred,

797
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: how does this make you feel about the I know

798
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: you're you know the I feel like you are. I'm

799
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: trying to find the words. I'm sorry, but I know

800
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, a marine is a marine. It's it's so

801
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: embedded in your identity. But I mean, after going through

802
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: all of this, how do you feel about the Marine Corps,

803
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: about the military as an institution? Like has it shaken

804
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: your your faith? Yes? And no. I mean you see

805
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: that the foundation fracture and you know you see like

806
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: this is this is really bad, you know, but you

807
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: I mean, they're you know, on your staff. You get

808
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: Army and got Navy Special Operators and you know me

809
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: as and Marine Special Opera. You're trained, you know, especially

810
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: if some guy was in a commanders an extremist force,

811
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: or you go through a close core battle training. You know,

812
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: you taught the psychology what's going to happen in your body?

813
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: And you know you talked about the enemy in extreme

814
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: detail of how he his mindset and his radicalization has gone.

815
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: And you know, and ye I will say this. You

816
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: know I haven't said it before, but you know I

817
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: last May, before I knew this was finally cleared. You know,

818
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: I went back to serve in the Marines. I'm there

819
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: right now. And you know, like the twelve page report

820
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: when when my attorney told me, like, hey, the government

821
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: contacted me and it looks like something's positive because they

822
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: said it was unanimous, but they wouldn't say so. I said, well,

823
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: if it is favorable, That's what I told my attorney.

824
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: And see, I was forced out at the twenty seven

825
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: year mark in the Marine Corps. Like I said before

826
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: in this interview, it's an upper out organization. So if

827
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: you don't get promoted. And I was fighting to get

828
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: promoted when I then because I wanted to stay in

829
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: and continue to serve, but I was. I was forced

830
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: out at twenty seven year mark in two thousand and

831
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: four teams. So you know, I told my attorney, I said,

832
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: if this is positive and they can clear my record,

833
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: I want to go back in and and serve on

834
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: active duty uh in the Marine Corps again. And I've

835
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: I've asked for that, and so they're they're having a

836
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: panel later on this year to screen my records to

837
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: see if they will promote me. And if they do,

838
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've formally asked the headquarters Marine Corps

839
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: of promotions, you know, to return to service. I've submitted

840
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: the list of available assignments that are out there, available

841
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: right now to hopefully, you know, here this year, by

842
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: the summer, hopefully you know, be back in uniform and serving.

843
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: And I don't say that the boast, but I really

844
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: mean is in special operations, you're taught to never quit,

845
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: never surring, never got two the last, you know, breath

846
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: in the last cartridge to the last, selling your body.

847
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: You know, you fight, you don't just ignore something and

848
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, pull chalks and retreat. I mean, we do

849
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: have immediate action drills where you know, you you have

850
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: to disengage. But you know, here's something that you know, I,

851
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm I'm in a capacity, you know,

852
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: full time with the Marine Corps right now. And I see,

853
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, marines who joined for the right reasons and

854
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: they want leadership and they need leadership. I see this

855
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: young marine here today, you know he's you know, he's

856
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: just so motivated, and you know, they look for leadership

857
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: and you know, are you going to step back? And

858
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: so I've always and guys said, yeah, the situations all

859
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: mess stuff, I'm gonna get out. It's like, hey, that's

860
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: exactly what the tirds they're in the military want you

861
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: to do, because there that means they're going to get

862
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: promoted in the military, and they kind of want some

863
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: people that are malleable. It will do whatever, because those

864
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: leaders know that they can manipulate them, and we need people,

865
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, that have strong character, not the jellyfish leadership.

866
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: And so I don't think you can avoid the problem.

867
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: I think you continue to attack exactly. And that's just

868
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. So this is unreal. So you're going

869
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: back on active duty right now. I have requested officially

870
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: through the Marine Corps and it's you know, they are

871
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: assembling a panel to look at my case and they

872
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: will see if it depends on my promotion, and then

873
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: the second step after that is reinstatement. I have officially

874
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: asked to I'm full time government employee for the Marine

875
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: Court right now, and I just want to put the

876
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: uniform back on. I had read that they recommended you

877
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: for promotion to lieutenant colonel. Yes, so that is correct,

878
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: and that's the Department of the Navy to the Marine Corps.

879
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: You know, the legal processes. They convene a panel and

880
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: those officers will screen my records that that adverse information,

881
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: which by the way, you know, the Marine Corps said,

882
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: you know that these nothing adverse or there's no adverse

883
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: administrative or judicial action. And it's like that's again, you know,

884
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: people like, why are you mentioning all this? It's like

885
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: because you have to. You know, it's like we live

886
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: by a reconcrete and you know, and like in the

887
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: Marine Corps him, you know, it's like you have to

888
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: keep your honor clean. You have to call people out.

889
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't make a difference what rank, you know, but

890
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: you cannot believe that people are either infallible or their

891
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: rank and titles them to a free pass. That's that's unethical.

892
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,479
Speaker 1: How long of a process do you think it would

893
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: be for them to go through with this? So they

894
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: basically told me, you know, here in less than two months,

895
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: that board will convene and they'll make a decision and

896
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: then that say it if it is favorable for me

897
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: and I believe it will because that adverse material is

898
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: removed from my records. So other than that, my record

899
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: stands were strong in my opinion. So say it's they

900
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: rolled in and has to go through the legal channels

901
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: all the way up to Subcommittee of the Senate, which

902
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: proves every all the promotions. They they will look at

903
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: this case on an individual basis, because I am one individual.

904
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't go through the normal process because they're going

905
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: to actually, if I'm found to be you know, worthy

906
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: of the promotion, They're going to backdate it to you know,

907
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: when I first was not selected and I'll be promoted

908
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: in the year group and my peers back in two

909
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, So be back dating and as it says

910
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: in the Department of the Navy report, and they'll provide

911
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: the back pay and entitlements, which you know, that's that

912
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it for the money. You know. I

913
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: know that Washington Post just wrote this article and like

914
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: Fred Jovin is the only one that's done this as

915
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: teams like well, I was the only one that continued

916
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: to serve it was not promoted. So it's the little

917
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: question here, Yeah, and the questionnaire that everybody else marked

918
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: in an I I had submitted this application while I

919
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: was still in for the purpose that I wanted to

920
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: continue to serve, but I was denied twice. And then

921
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: now you know the tides had changed. So you know

922
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: the panel the Department nave you look at this again

923
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: and uninfluenced. Like I said, there was not a a

924
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: personal appearance hearing that was allowed. And you know that

925
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: panel of civilian senior leaders and Department of Navy made

926
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: that decision, and I'm I'm happy that it was very

927
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: favorable to encourage. I'm not just pumping Nick coughing up.

928
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: Read what he wrote in at the very bottom. He's

929
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: got a link since the entire twelve page final report

930
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: from the Department of Navy, and none of your listeners,

931
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: I dare any of them can say they found something

932
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: that came out of the Pentagon. It has such a

933
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: scathing and DiPT and on senior officers that did something

934
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: so corrupt, not just in one instant with Marine Special Operations,

935
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: but on a second event in combat in two thousand

936
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: eleven in Sangin Valley. You know, it just names names

937
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: and lays out the situation. You read this thing and

938
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: you're just like, how come the Navy they made this

939
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: decision last October. You see the day at the very

940
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: top of that letter, and you're like, wow, that says

941
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: October eighteen, And why did they wait so long? And

942
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: but they compating authority when this Marsak case happened. Yeah,

943
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: I don't believe that anybody is infallible. We shouldn't. Competing

944
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: authority was Lieutenant General Jim Mattis at the time. And

945
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: why you know, if you look at this report, which

946
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: I haven't here in my hand, and the very last page,

947
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: you have a General Counsel for the Department of Navy, uh,

948
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: senior executive service lady who signed this, reviewed and approved.

949
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: It's dated on the very last page January two, two

950
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. That may not mean so much to everybody.

951
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: That's the next business day after General Maddis. Urgin Secretary

952
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: of James Maddis left office on one December this last year. So, uh,

953
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, while some people were in there, I mean,

954
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: this thing just waited around. And whether it was yeah,

955
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: whether it's because of the secretary who was personally involved

956
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: in this in the past, right or wrong. All I'm

957
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: saying is there's people's names in this report right now,

958
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: it did wrong. In the Marine Corps in the Department

959
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: of Defense has done nothing. What do they do? They

960
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: talk about dropping bombs and saying that they're willing to

961
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: sacrifice people's lives. And what's going on. Well, they've been

962
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: promoted and then they are in line to get command

963
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: this summer of Marine raiders at oh six commands. So

964
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, your listeners, you know, so what is you know,

965
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: just like we did you know here these last few

966
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 1: years with House resolution to anyone. They can go on

967
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, WW dot gov, h ww dot Congress dot gov.

968
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: In contact. There are members of Congress and you know,

969
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: get on Nick's you know, last one here from January two, nineteen.

970
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: Go to the bottom, plick the link, print this off

971
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: and just meet Kneecaptain kneecap with you know, they're elected

972
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: official and say, hey, sons and daughters of America are

973
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: being led by these guys, and what in the hell

974
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: are we doing about it? Nobody has been held accountable.

975
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: And I think Americans just across the board don't realize

976
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: just how bad it is. And and you know you

977
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: mentioned that infallibility and you know, Americans, I think for

978
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the right reasons respect their military, but

979
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: with that respect comes to sort of hero worship um

980
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: and the not questioning how are young men and women

981
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: are being led overseas and not questioning deeply enough the

982
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: inherent strategies and tactics being employed abroad. Yes, and you know,

983
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: some people criticize from both sides. I don't Drump wants

984
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: to leave Iraq and Afghanistan and Syrians like well, I

985
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: can see a strategy of keeping forces, you know, poised

986
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: in case they're needed in Iran or in China, but

987
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: to just continue to fight forever, forever war you know

988
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: where you know, if it were their sons or their

989
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: daughters and they were not just in uniform but on

990
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: the front lines, they probably have a different opinion. But

991
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: as you said, it's unethical and immoral. Yes, that is correct,

992
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: and it's you know, if if we're effective, it's one thing.

993
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: But you know, we've been trying to get the Afghans

994
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: to stand up and fight on their own, and we

995
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: realize that if if it's not our money and you know,

996
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: we're not over there doing the fighting, it's largely you know,

997
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: a lost cause. And what is going on now after

998
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: we've entered and going on to our you know, you know,

999
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: we've been there for over eighteen years, and what's going on.

1000
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: We're entering negotiations with the Taliban. So that is not

1001
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: you know what's gone on seventy three years ago on

1002
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: the starboard side midship of the Missouri with an unconditional surrender.

1003
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: That's what that is, is a strategy of surrender. You know,

1004
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: we're trying to bow out like we did in Vietnam

1005
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: and and make those that you know wasted lives, money, time,

1006
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: the political capital of worldwide. You know, we're not respected

1007
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: in so I'm not a proponent of just fighting to fight.

1008
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: You know, when we fight, it must be effective. And

1009
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, our strategy are again you know, I'm not

1010
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: criticizing the front line foot soldiers, but the strategy that

1011
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: has been implemented, the one that was crafted by General

1012
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: Petraeus and endorsed also signed off by the commanding General

1013
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command two thousand five,

1014
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: which at the time was Lieutenant Real gem Madison. Uh

1015
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: this counterinsurgency. I we read that manual and you know

1016
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: it's art of being nice to people, and you know

1017
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: that will work in like the British utilize it effectively

1018
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: in Argentina at the time when when a nation wants

1019
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: prosperity and they want something better, that can be effective.

1020
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: But when you know, we're trying to prop up democracy

1021
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: in a place at once to real law, good luck,

1022
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: I just I just don't want to pay the tab,

1023
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't think that Americas should pay

1024
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: the tab. They should wake up and listen to true experts.

1025
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: Not I remember they Special Operations Command when we first

1026
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: stood up Marisoft with bringing this clown Morten Center around

1027
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: with the three Cups of tea book and it found

1028
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: he's a complete sham liar. But uh, you know, there's

1029
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: a time and a place for you know that. But

1030
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: that in Afghanistan, I mean, I'm not gonna go in

1031
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: some of our special operations tactics and collection measures, but

1032
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: you meet with the tribal elders and you know those

1033
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: are what they are, the oldest people in the tribe.

1034
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: But there's a shadow government that's really in control. And uh,

1035
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, we just have not utilizing effective strategy there

1036
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: and that that needs to change. So I feel like

1037
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, what we're talking about right

1038
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: now is um sort of a reflection of what was

1039
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: going on in the in the U. S. Military in

1040
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: the aftermath of the Vietnam War. And a lot of

1041
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: people who weren't there at the time don't understand just

1042
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: like how bad off our military was after we fought

1043
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: that you know, very unpopular war here at home, and

1044
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: it was it was a brutal war abroad. I mean

1045
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: we lost you know, fifty thousands some odd troops and

1046
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: god only knows how many Vietnamese killed. Uh, And it

1047
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: took the military quite a while to get back on

1048
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: its feet. And now now we've been fighting this sustained

1049
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: war in Afghanistan, on in Iraq and in some ways

1050
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: also everywhere else. Um for you know, going on you

1051
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: know eighteen years. Yes, And you know, when I got

1052
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: out of the Marine Corps, I start a business and

1053
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: that taught me a lot of things that you have

1054
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: expenses and you have refues, you're net profit and you

1055
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: have to be smart about this or you're gonna fail.

1056
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: And uh, I went off to graduate school and it

1057
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: reinforced a graduate business school. You know what I was

1058
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: learning as an entrepreneur. And I will say this and

1059
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: this is a very it is a nerve with me.

1060
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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to criticize, you know, make war

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01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: to be profit and loss. But I'm not trying to

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01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: say I'm some Guderian and quoting Son Sue. But Son Sue,

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01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, hammered it out that you know, long, prolonged

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01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: wars are never the best interests, you know, for any country.

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01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: So you know, we have this long war that we're

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01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: in right now, and when you look at it from

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01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 1: a business model that in Vietnam in hardon me for

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01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: trying to just put things in general terms because I

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01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: realize I'm talking about human lives and I stood up

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Speaker 1: a charity for gold Star families. This means a lot

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Speaker 1: to me when I say this, and I'm not trying

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01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: to be on emotional, but Vietnam, as you mentioned, we

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01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: lost here in these two wars, along with other wars

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Speaker 1: around the globe that we're just continuing to fight to fight.

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01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: You know that we have this concept of the golden hour,

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: and what that is is if you know, airman, soldier,

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01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: sailor marine gets wounded, we generally have plans to get

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Speaker 1: that you know, injured casualty off the battlefield into an

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Speaker 1: operating table within an hour. We didn't have that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've had things, you've all watched mash and there's been

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01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: great efforts. But now that's like a axiom that we

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01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: either have this or we won't go unless it's an

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01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: extreme case. Uh So I would say, you know, the

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Speaker 1: seven thousand killed in action, in the tens of thousands

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01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: that we've had in the last eighteen years, we would

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01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: have had more deaths in these wars than we did

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01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: in Vietnam. And people think, you know, the Vietnam cash

1088
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: account was so high. Now I'm going to talk about

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01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: the business model because we've had a lot more brutal injuries,

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01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not talking to when you also

1091
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: add up the addiction to opioids that the v A

1092
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: prescribes in the counseling and suicide, all this kind of stuff,

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01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: and you know the cost of all that enduring from

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01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: the v A. And you know the guys who get

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01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: injured and maimed, you know that. And there's there's funds,

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01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: a large sums transferred if guys lose eyes, there's that

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01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: if you calculate the cost of that, and kind of

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: America continue not just to have men and women brutally

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01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: burned and maimed, and in the psychological when you've heard

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01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: one of your lads screaming agony because even burnt or

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01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: you've seen you know the you know, the Mujahideen that

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01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: shipped on these you know, artillery projectiles that blast and

1103
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: tearing and and contaminate inside of a human being. You know,

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01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: they have to amputated. I mean, it's it's horrible, and

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01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: but we're not effectively when it and we're they're bleeding

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01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: us dry. And when you really look at the global

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01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: picture right now, what the capabilities are with China and

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01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: Russia and cyber threats, and you know, we've been horsing

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01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: around with people that use homemade explosives and they use

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01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: poishna covs and we haven't been effective. So strategy from

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01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: the get go was to wore us into a protracted

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01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: conflict and wear us down by attrition. And that's just

1113
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: what happened with the Russians in the eighties with Reagan,

1114
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: and it was in a way, it was brilliant. But

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01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: this right now, we have to we're at a decision point.

1116
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: You know, people oh no, oh, you follow the money,

1117
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: you trace things back, and you know, all these weapons

1118
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: systems are made in all fifty states, and it's such

1119
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: a big racket. Like Smedley Butler wrote about, now, it's

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Speaker 1: it's an even far exponentially higher scale of the money

1121
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 1: that's spent the trilling. I mean, it's the largest thing

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01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: that we spend our money on. So it as a

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01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: business owner, you have to look like, what's the most

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01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: that we spend our money on. Let's examine this, let's

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01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: break it down, and how did it get that way?

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01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: Who's telling us that we well, you know the reason.

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: I mean, does anybody think that? I mean my ex wife,

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: she's still in the Marine Corps, you know, and I

1129
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: believe women have a great role, but when we're losing

1130
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: a war, we want to put push you know, females

1131
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: and special operations touch the subject here. But you know,

1132
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: we have to find a more effective way. I'm not

1133
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: saying people can't be patriotic and can't serve, but we

1134
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: need to find a better way to do and what

1135
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: we're doing too to shoot straight or run faster, pick

1136
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: up somebody that's wounded in and get them cared for

1137
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: and accomplish the mission. But you know, we start we

1138
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: start putting in some things that's just you know, are

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01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: are known, you know to be less effective. And it's

1140
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: just like you think, hey, why do you want to

1141
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: under Probably I'll tell you why here, because when somebody,

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01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, when they want, you know, a second career

1143
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: for a guy like me, is you know, starting your

1144
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: own business or you know, doing something on a small scale.

1145
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: I don't have three or four stars when I you know,

1146
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: will retire and you know, those guys they want and

1147
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: they will compromise because they need. What they need is

1148
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: that money for plane. So they'll listen to whatever gillibrand,

1149
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: Harono or mccaskell these people say or have said in

1150
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: the past. And because they have approved this stuff in

1151
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: the House Armed Service Committee and the Synate Armed Service

1152
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: Committee approves the promotions of these folks. So you know,

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01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: they want people to be promoted because those are the

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: guys that they're going to go back to when they're retired,

1155
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: and they're going to go back to the Pentagon on

1156
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: behalf of Boeing and Cockeyed in general dynamics. And and

1157
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: they're not making some pocket change or couch changed there.

1158
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: They're making bankroll cons out in Fairfax, Virginia and they're

1159
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: driving a Jaguar. Yeah, well it's not just Fairfax. I

1160
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: mean these people think on a scale that none of

1161
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: us do. And they have homes not just there in

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01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: the Beltway, but they have something up in the Hampton's

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01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 1: or down in Florida. I mean they we don't think

1164
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: about that. We don't think you know, boats, and hey,

1165
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: if you're gonna need my presence, that's a first class

1166
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: plane ticket. And you contact some of these people and see,

1167
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean it is like a celebrity lifestyle. I mean,

1168
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: Robin Leechwood blush about how these guys get around. It's

1169
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: a it's all predicated upon deploying soldiers to fight a

1170
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: useless or you know, an unwinnable war indefinitely. I mean,

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01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: that's that's the immoral and unethical aspect of it. I mean,

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01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily wrong for an American industrialist to help

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01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: the United States win a war. But when it's just

1174
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: this grind that goes on forever, and these guys are

1175
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: getting rich by stuff in dollar bills or maybe I

1176
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: should say a hundred dollar bills into their pockets every day,

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01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: that's immoral and unethical. Yes, and you're right, I'm the

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01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: first one to advocate in people accuse me and a

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01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: court of law during our mar sock trial being a

1180
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: gear queer. And I'm all about technology because you you

1181
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: must use technology or you'll be destroyed by it. You

1182
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: have to innovate in advance, and that is necessary. But

1183
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: how we have, you know, made it a cottage industry

1184
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: is entirely different. Yes, Fred, this has been an amazing

1185
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: episode of this podcast. And I think if any of

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01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: the staff officers in our military, or pretty much anyone

1187
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Certainly are politicians listen to this podcast,

1188
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: I think they're going to have a freaking stroke in

1189
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: their chair. Yeah, well, you know, we have to be

1190
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: honest with ourselves. Look in the mirror and say, honestly,

1191
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: you know, is what he's saying the truth? I mean,

1192
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: you know we see. I mean, look at the guys

1193
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: coming into Pentagon pushing these programs you know you have.

1194
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean, look at who makes F thirty five and

1195
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: they want to sell that to a version of that

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01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: to China, the People's revolic to China, And I mean

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: these look at the names of the you know, check

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01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: that out, just research it. Look at the names of

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01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: the board members, research at Death thirty five and look

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01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: and you know see they there's intentions to sell that

1201
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: thing to our enemies. And look at all the board members.

1202
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: You'll find you know, head of you know, naval intelligence

1203
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, these people know better. It

1204
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: actually goes all the way back to Richard c. Cord,

1205
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,440
Speaker 1: who is involved in some of the early tech transfers

1206
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: during the Clinton administration. Yeah, it's this is reality, and

1207
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: you know it's it is driven Smedley Butler was talking about,

1208
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: you know how these companies are just feeding on greed,

1209
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, and it's a conflict of interest to you know,

1210
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: those who are fighting the war. But now we're willing.

1211
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: And these are senior military officers and senior leaders on

1212
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: the civilian sector of the Department of Defense in the

1213
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: homeland security. I mean just that instance alone, just from

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01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: have your listeners look up the thirty five program, the

1215
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: most advanced fighter you know, fifth generation fire that you

1216
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: know the United States has, and we have intentions to

1217
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: develop a version for the China. It's national suicide for

1218
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: no other reason than greed. Yeah, their purpose of us

1219
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: doing that. The Chinese are not our friends. And I

1220
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: mean the future is America and China and you know

1221
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: one is going to rise at the top and want

1222
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: to dominate. And it's been stated this is not Yeah,

1223
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: read their plan and it's it is, you know, something

1224
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: I'm deeply involved at presently in in my research. It's

1225
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: it's a serious, serious situation. I'd like to have you

1226
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: back on another time to talk about that about China,

1227
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: the rise of China, because that's something that I'm also

1228
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: very very interested in, and that's kind of getting into

1229
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 1: the next fight, what's over the next horizon. And I

1230
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 1: think we both know that, but America has been slowed

1231
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: a wake up to that fact. Yes, it's not just

1232
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: economic with China. And love to talk about it more

1233
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: and I'll make sure everything's kept unclassified level. And it's

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01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: it's something that America really needs to understand. And uh,

1235
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: these people who are experts like Dr Michael Pillsbury's great. Yeah,

1236
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: some of some of these people really know what's going on.

1237
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: And there are smart people and they're not just out

1238
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: there perpetuating myths. The hud Year Marathon is his book

1239
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: that's worth reading. Yes, yes, and you read that and

1240
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 1: you wonder, Okay, why have we been wasting over trillion

1241
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: dollars in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. When that's gotten us,

1242
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, it hasn't gotten us any further down the field.

1243
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: And we you know, in the military they always talked

1244
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: about metrics and data and measurements of the activeness. And

1245
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, wait a second, how come when we use

1246
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: all this analysis, this is scotting us nowhere? Well, there

1247
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: are a partner long term, and hey, it's be honest,

1248
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: be honest, because you know, the people of the America.

1249
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many distractions in American life, and

1250
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: people aren't listening to programs such as yours and reading

1251
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: things that are that are factual. And you know some people,

1252
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, China and Russia and other surrogates of their's.

1253
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: You know, there's a you know, the North Korea is

1254
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: there's still a huge threat that is a you know

1255
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: on the payroll of you know, the People's Republican China,

1256
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: and you know that's it's going on. People are trying

1257
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 1: to as as you well know, people are trying to

1258
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: buy governments, mainly the Chinese, for their buy resources from

1259
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: all across Asia, the Pacific especially. You want to push

1260
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: us out of South Korea, push us out of the

1261
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: Philippines push us out of Japan. Yes, it's it is.

1262
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: It's something that you know, it's deeply in what I'm

1263
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: what I'm involved in right now. So i'd love to

1264
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: talk about the Yeah, yeah, we'll have to. We'll have

1265
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: to set that aside for another podcast because it's such

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01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: a huge, huge topic. Yeah, this definitely sounds like it

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Speaker 1: to be continued from here. I had one last question

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Speaker 1: to ask you, actually before you wrap things up. You

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Speaker 1: were kind of hinting at it earlier on the interview,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't want to, you know, get into a

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Speaker 1: side tangent here, but I figured we'll get into it

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Speaker 1: now a little bit. Um. You're talking about war crimes

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01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: in different parts of the military. I'm sure you're familiar

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Speaker 1: with it. I just wanted to hear your take on

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Speaker 1: what's going on with Chief Eddie Gallagher, former Navy seal.

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01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: A very different case from yours because these are fellow

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01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: Navy seals accusing him of war crimes. But I just

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01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: wanted to hear what you think of it. You know

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: that she brought that up. I haven't involved in the case.

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01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: I've seen it in the headlines and that caused me

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: to say, hey, you know what, I had a very

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01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: good close friend for you know, since the start of

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01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 1: the war. We went he's a frogman, retired Navy seal officer,

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: and we went to a school tactical are controlled party

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01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,799
Speaker 1: to learn how to control air strikes. That's why we connected.

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01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: Many years ago. He was involved in a or crime

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01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: allegation and so we've stayed in touch, and it it

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01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: ruined his health and I gonna mention his name, but

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Speaker 1: it's these there's nobody that gets out unscathed when something

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: like this happens. And so I called my buddy and

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01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,879
Speaker 1: I say, hey, tell me what's going on, because he's

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: you know, still closely in tune with the teams, and

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01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: let me know, hey, this is a inside the team's

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Speaker 1: is kind of retribution is steal chief. He was his

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01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: petuned ard and he was a hard ass, and you know,

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01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 1: some people didn't like the way he was doing and

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01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: so you know, he he does some things that people

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01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: may found questionable. And I have a re enlisted ceremony

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01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: in your dead body, and you know, let's not confuse.

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01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, some things that maybe imprudent as far as

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01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: judgment and today's modern air with a war crime that

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01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: somebody could I mean, you know, born and raised and

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01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: retired and went back to Kansas, and you've got a

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01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: marine excuse me, an army soldier, uh sitting in prison

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01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: for twenty years based on what somebody said verbally. And

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01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: you know he did to make a split second decision.

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01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: The guy who was coming after him a motorcycle and

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: one of his soldiers fired, but he authorized a shot.

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01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 1: Working on that story. Actually yeah, And so what you know,

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01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 1: my case is when when you talk about Chief Eddie

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01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 1: Gallagher and these other people have to be split decisions

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01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: or they may you know show, but then you look

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01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: at the macro issue of our Department of Defense and

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01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: the sons and daughters in America, they have to make decisions.

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01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: Are are we going to have the best quality of

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01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: I mean, what are the jobs that people get the most?

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01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: The future is like information technology, and you know we

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01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: need smart people they can do stuff like that effectively

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01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: in the military that are enthusiastic and want to go

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01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: to work. But you know, what are we going to

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01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: be left with when the best the people who are

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01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, well educated and they you know, research things,

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01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: that read newspapers, they keep in tune of subjects and

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01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 1: they see that, like, wow, these guys are getting railroaded.

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01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: Do I want to send my son? And they're gonna

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01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,759
Speaker 1: totally discourage. They're gonna push that child into a college

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: program far away from ever having to serve in the military,

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01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: because they know that the military doesn't stand for their

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01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: own and that is the moral hazard. Is when people

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01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: say things and you know those guys in Hadita Alice

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01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: Jack Murthy once was served in the Marine in Vietnam.

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01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about you know, seal teammates that would

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01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: say something like that against you know, fellow brother just

1334
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: because you know, it gets tough and you're criticizing, you know,

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01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: his judgment. Now, I mean when America sees like you

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01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: can web search and see Chief Eddie Gallagher and his

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01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: dress blues shackled like a war criminal being taken into

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01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: a you know, a brig at mer Mark, California. I mean,

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01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,839
Speaker 1: the optics of that, and you know, there's a punishment

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01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: fit the crime and being well incard. Interesting to see

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01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: what happens in the court martial because if this is true,

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01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: that it's retribution within the teams for you know, some

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01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: some harsh leadership. Two seals are about the perjured themselves

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01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: in a court of law and say that they witnessed

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01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: this guy murder a detainee in cold blood. Yeah, so

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01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: in I'm not trying, I don't. I don't have all

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01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: those details. And there's things that probably happened but didn't

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01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: happen that I don't. I don't have full visibility on

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01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to say that I you know,

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01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: I have a crystal ball, and you know it would

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01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: be it would be something that you know, the jury members.

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01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: You know. The one thing though, you know from my

1353
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: experience is the jury member is not completely unbiased when

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01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 1: it's within an organization that you know has especially if

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01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: they made comments and they've taken accident, they've hauled a

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01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: guy off in jail for pretrial confinement. I mean, it's

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01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: kind of extreme if they thought this guy is gonna run,

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01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: which highly doubt that. I'm not the convenient authority. But

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, when people have taken positions, you know, they

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01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 1: usually don't want to be criticized for the the decisions

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01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: that they made. So and those are people that influence

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01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: promotions and assignments, and especially when I'm saying it's a

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01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: crime be criticized for saying this is what I believe

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01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: to be the truth. When when guys getting married and

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01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: have kids and they're in a system that you know,

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01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: they can either promote them or not promote them, I mean,

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01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,759
Speaker 1: have a little bit more risk, and you know there's

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01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: there could be influenced a little bit more. So do

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Speaker 1: you think that's all within the military court system. I

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 1: mean it's supposed to be a jury of your peers, um,

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Speaker 1: and I guess your peers in this case would be

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01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: fellow service members rather than civilians. Though yes, you know,

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01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 1: I'd rather it be retired combat veterans, you know, so

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01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 1: I'd rather that Eddie Gallagher have you know team you know,

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01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: people from ut t s and combat veterans who have

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01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: have seen good and bad. Because what you're saying now

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Speaker 1: in today's day and age, you know, maybe somebody that

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01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: fought you know, horrible enemies, whether it's Korea or Vietnam

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01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 1: or you know, World War Two. You you you know who

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01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: are seals or ut team members, they probably have a

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01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: little bit more understanding of you know, how our our

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01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: our enemies, how ruthless they are, and uh and they're uninfluenced.

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01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: But to you know, I'm just trying to get more

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01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: of a jury of your peers, people that understand. I'm

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01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 1: not trying to say we need leniency, but it needs

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01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: to be uninfluenced and impartial and unbiased and fair. Yeah. No,

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01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: it definitely does. My My only concern would be that,

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01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, like said, I was a former ranger. Let's

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01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 1: say you brought me in on a Rangers court martial.

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01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:42,839
Speaker 1: I think there'd be a predilection towards protecting the dignity

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01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: of the unit, uh and not tarnishing the unit's image

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01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: because you know that's kind of the unit where I

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01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 1: grew up. Um that. But I mean, our our justice

1394
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: system is imperfect. I mean there's none of us have

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01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: quite figured that one out. Yeah, well, if we can

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01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: put a man on the moon, you know we can

1397
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 1: figure out you know, lawyers can. I'm not a lawyer,

1398
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: but you know there's that waw dear process where they

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01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: try to ensure that there's not this bias nous. And

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01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: but I think definitely finding people, you know, there should

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01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: be way to find somebody that is the best in

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01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: regards to They don't want to put the institutions, you know,

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01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 1: interests above the individual on trial and that's in the

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01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: civilian court. That is the main thing is you're trying

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01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: to get somebody is you know, in impartial and has

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01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,759
Speaker 1: no bias. That's that's an interesting thing for military justice.

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01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: I think you know it's a system that is flawed. Yeah. Well,

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01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 1: as Jack said earlier, this has definitely been a great episode.

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01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 1: I opening for a lot of people and very candid

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01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: and and we'll definitely do a fourth appearance from you

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: and probably more in the future. Uh and the next

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01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: time focus more on China. It sounds like it'd be

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01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: a great discussion. Yeah, I'd love it, and thank you

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01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: so much. And Jack, you guys have you know, had

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01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: the courage. And I'll make some comparisons some other media

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01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: sources that will print some things, some won't, but some

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01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: have taken eighteen months in every editor on their staff

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01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: to review things were so cautious. And I mean, you

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01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: guys look at the facts when I give you declassified

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01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,919
Speaker 1: courtroom information to me, um, you guys have done a

1421
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 1: tremendous job at uncovering the facts and in more detail

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01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: through news rep than any other source that's out there.

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01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: And encourage the listeners that they Nick Coffin has written

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01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: all these articles about the marsk seven if people want to,

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01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: you know, not the facts and read what came out

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01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: of a courtroom. It was largely closed to the media.

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01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 1: When you see all those transcripts, that says secret, no

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01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: foreign at the top. That's everything that the media didn't hear,

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01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: which means that when you read about the saying that

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01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: that was just a gun battle, why was this classified? Yeah,

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01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: that was my question, and well that's that was the

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01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: military court process that the media continually get kept getting

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01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: ushered out too. And you think, like, how what kind

1434
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: of picture of that painted these guys when everything that

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01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: was declassified and that had the media there was negative

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01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 1: was completely one side and slanders and how how do

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01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 1: these guys get pictured painted in the media. And that's

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01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: why we couldn't get jobs afterwards. It's very destructive. Guys

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01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: got cancer and diabetes and unemployment. That that is something

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01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: that is terribly affected us. And you guys, I'm not

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01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: just giving you mad props. You guys have done so much.

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01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: When I say two and it's like a word document

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01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: pages information. Yeah, and uh, I sent Nick of you know,

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01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: recon paddle. That's good thing. I just said that you

1445
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: know now that we are exonerated and it's been substantiated

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01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: by the Pentagon. You know, I really you know, I

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01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: know a lot because he increased awareness. You know, when

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01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: we had a bill up there in Congress, not a bill,

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01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: but a House resolution. Uh, you guys were covering that,

1450
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: you know from the you know, the courtroom. That was

1451
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: a very helpful and raising awareness and you know, a

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01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 1: call to action across America that that was effective, you know,

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01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: and very very rarely is a you know, you know,

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 1: a guy from the trenches. You know, that's a bootstrap

1455
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: and some idea or business you know, you know, lead

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01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,839
Speaker 1: to something like this. But you know, this was a

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01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: complete success. And uh, you know they I just encourage

1458
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: you guys to get your hands on that twelve page

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: Pentagon report and see what they're really talking about. It's

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01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: it's very idle thing and shocking. Thank you, Fred so much.

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01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: And you know the next time we have you on,

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01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 1: we'll talk about some of these geo strategic issues and

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01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: um we can you know, put this you know, controversy

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01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,760
Speaker 1: to bed. Uh And you know, I'm glad that you

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01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: and you and the men of Marsac are going to

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01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: be able to move on from this and uh we

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01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: start talking about some more important things. Yeah sounds good,

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01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: and thank you again, Jack. Yeah. Sorry, I don't mean

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01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: more important. This is important, but you know what I mean, Fred, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is is talking about the review

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Speaker 1: process for stuff. It reminded me just seeing on Instagram.

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01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 1: Totally separate issue, but I saw that Jack Carr, who

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01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: we had in here, Navy c O. He's trying to

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Speaker 1: put out his follow up fiction novel and there, you know,

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01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: the review process is holding up that book from coming out.

1476
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: He had a release date and everything now used to

1477
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: push it back. And it's just always a long review

1478
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 1: process for every you know, my, my, my experience with that.

1479
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, some of these guys who hold security clearances

1480
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: or continue to they put their books, even fiction books,

1481
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: through d D review. Uh. My experience with d D

1482
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: reviews that it's it's politicized. You know, if you're putting

1483
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: out something that makes d o D look good, they'll

1484
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: have that back to you in a week. If you're

1485
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: saying something that maybe they don't want out there, they're

1486
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: gonna just sit on it. Um they went through. I

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01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: submitted an article through d O D Review UM because

1488
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: the people I interviewed, UH, they requested I put it

1489
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: through d D Review. I said, sure, you know, if

1490
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: that's your condition, you know, we'll we'll do that. UM

1491
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 1: D O D dragged their feet, dragged their feet, dragged

1492
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: their feet. And I've told him. I was like, look, man,

1493
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: it's been like what five months or six months or something,

1494
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, hold on, hold on, hold on.

1495
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 1: And they got it back to me, and I was shocked.

1496
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: They went through and just took a hacks out of

1497
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: the article. They redacted things that they had previously declassified

1498
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: that are published in another book. I'm like, what the fuck?

1499
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: So I went through UM with a lawyer and we

1500
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: filed an appeal and they've been sitting on that appeal

1501
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: for I mean, we must we're probably going on two years,

1502
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: you know at this point. So they're just it's like

1503
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: I said, it's just politicized. They're just sitting on it

1504
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: just because they don't want to deal with it, even

1505
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: though they declassified all that maybe not all, but the

1506
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 1: vast majority of it has been previously declassified, and I

1507
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: guess they just don't want me to publish it. I

1508
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 1: don't know what the deal is. But my favorite is

1509
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: when I look at Robin Nil's book and Seal Team

1510
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: six is blacked out every single time. Yeah. Then the

1511
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: whole buckets, that's the one thing it's stacked everywhere. And

1512
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 1: then I had a mission with black Yeah it's uh,

1513
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: there are some goofy things that happened. Yeah, any mention

1514
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: of Jay Sock they'll black out. Um. But then there's

1515
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: other things that they'll leave in that are really weird. Um.

1516
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: The CIA, when they're their public review review board goes

1517
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: through things. They do weird things too, sometimes, like the

1518
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: term special what is that they left the special Operations

1519
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: they will black out, but special Forces they'll let you use.

1520
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: It's weird man. Yeah, yeah, I mean because anybody who

1521
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: listens to what we do or reads up on I mean,

1522
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: they know what they know the terminology, you know. Yeah,

1523
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: like I said, it gets silly. Um. Next episode, we

1524
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: have Mark you Blanca coming on, who wrote a great

1525
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: book on Vietnam journalists. That's gonna be the next one. Uh,

1526
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: And we have a lot of other good stuff in

1527
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: the horizon. I actually just mentioned Grab O'Neil. He'll be

1528
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: on at some point next month. I mentioned Mike Schwitz

1529
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: will be on next month. Um. Yeah, so we have

1530
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff on the horizon um before

1531
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: we and and actually like to hear just from Mike

1532
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 1: what it was like to attend a Super Bowl. I'm

1533
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: not I'm not even an NFL fan, but it'd be

1534
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 1: interesting just to know the whole atmosphere. And I need

1535
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 1: to sit down also and make a list of other

1536
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: people i'd like to have on. Yeah, and uh and

1537
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: start and reach out to some people. I'm working on

1538
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 1: a few different people here and there, but yeah, Marches

1539
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: is mainly open and yeah, I mean it's funny because

1540
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: I was talking about this with Brandon Web yesterday and

1541
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: more and more it's less me reaching out and a

1542
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: lot of people coming to us that want to come on,

1543
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: And it just shows we have more people reaching out

1544
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: to us than we have time. Then we're able to schedule. Yeah,

1545
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: and if they're good, you know, we'll get like Mark

1546
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: marcut you Blanca. He came to us and was interested

1547
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: and I looked at the book and it's really cool. Yeah.

1548
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: So that type of stuff just shows that the show

1549
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: is growing and it's you know, has a bigger reach

1550
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: and I love to see that makes it makes my

1551
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: job easier to be honest, but it's also uh just

1552
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: compliments what we do. So wrapping things up here though,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't checked out the Power of Thought podcast,

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Speaker 1: our latest guest was Jeff Nicholson, who's one of the

1608
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Speaker 1: heads of Vyner Media. And I didn't realize this because

1609
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: I you might know that we're partnering with Vyner Media

1610
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: for some stuff. I didn't really. It's Gary Vaynerchuk's company.

1611
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: You didn't know that. I know. I I just heard

1612
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: the name vayner Media. I didn't make the connection. I

1613
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: had no idea, So you know, it's cool to know

1614
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,040
Speaker 1: that and to know that we have that connection. And

1615
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson's story is pretty cool because he was one

1616
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: of the first guys hired by Gary Vaynerchuck, so uh yeah,

1617
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 1: go look up the Power Thought podcast. That was a

1618
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 1: great one. Cond have Carluis on the next episode. I'm

1619
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: looking forward to pre order my book. Yes, comes out

1620
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 1: in April. Yeah, it's coming up on us fast. Um.

1621
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: We're finalizing all the like little details of the book

1622
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 1: right now, the picture inserts and all that kind of

1623
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 1: good stuff. And at the end, towards the end of

1624
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 1: the month this month, um, I'll be narrating the audio book.

1625
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 1: That's the process. It's gonna be a process. It's gonna

1626
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: be a someone who's narrated audio books. I've done too.

1627
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 1: So far, I've done two and a half because one

1628
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: was a revised edition of a previoud. How long does

1629
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: it take to do a whole book, like a couple

1630
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 1: of weeks. It's hard to say because it depends on

1631
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 1: the amount of time you're putting in the way I

1632
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: would just I would put it though, for like every

1633
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:00,040
Speaker 1: hour of actual audio content. If you're not. I I

1634
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: was gonna say it takes about four hours for every hour,

1635
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 1: but you're not editing it. You're not doing that problem.

1636
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: So I would say for every hour, it's going to

1637
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: take you about two to three hours. Yeah, because you're

1638
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 1: gonna want to get it perfect, and it is. You've

1639
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: seen it, even just reading things here and there. It's

1640
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: tough to get it perfect. And yeah, I mean for

1641
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: me the editing stuff, but if you have an engineer

1642
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,719
Speaker 1: there in studio, you're gonna notice that that they catch

1643
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: mistakes you don't catch. And when I record, I listened

1644
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: back to the audio. I have my own like weird

1645
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:37,599
Speaker 1: lisps and mispronunciations and things like that. People. I remember

1646
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 1: people commenting on on you and I going back and

1647
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 1: forth on skism and schism. Schism, schism. It's archaic, but yeah,

1648
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: I remember we looked it up. But I still insist

1649
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: that everybody says schism. I have actually caught a lot

1650
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: of people though. This is when I catch people say

1651
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: all the time, uh, is that the word is hyperbole?

1652
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: People say hyper all the time because it reads that way. Yeah,

1653
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 1: it reads hyper I remember a college press wood who

1654
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: said hyperopitomy epitomey Epitome. Does anybody say that there's there's

1655
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 1: always those words like that I pronounced al Qaeda al queda. No,

1656
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't, but there should be a queu. Right. When

1657
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,759
Speaker 1: we used to have um Derek on he would always

1658
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,600
Speaker 1: say boco Raham instead of Boko Haram. And it's like

1659
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: he's an expert on the subject, but he always say

1660
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: boco ram. So goddamnit. Alquateus aliquates are out there. Um,

1661
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, man Murphy's Law. It's up for pre order.

1662
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,679
Speaker 1: The audio book is up for pre order already, even

1663
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: though we haven't recorded it yet, but we will unless

1664
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 1: I get hit by a media right. Um. So it's

1665
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 1: all coming along. I'm excited for it. You also keep

1666
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 1: in mind wrote the book, so you're not gonna have

1667
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: that issue of I've had the issue where like I

1668
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 1: don't know what's in my own book, Well, I don't

1669
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 1: know what this word is there. I spend a lot

1670
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: of time googling, because I mean, you guys might know

1671
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 1: I've mentioned anything of the podcast. The last audio book

1672
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: that I narrated was a raw vegan audio book, so

1673
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: there are tons of foods in there. I never heard

1674
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: of this is this is a little embarrassing on my end.

1675
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 1: I had my editor, um wonderful woman doing a super job.

1676
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: She comes back to me after reading the manuscript and

1677
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: she's like, chack, what does balls defalaide mean? Like, oh boy,

1678
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:30,520
Speaker 1: and I think I I had to like tactfully, uh explained.

1679
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 1: Defalaide is a is a tactical term describing the low ground.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I mean it's not everybody's gonna know

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Speaker 1: all these all these these these I certainly don't crass

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Speaker 1: military military euphanisms, colorful metaphors. Yeah, I mean I've I've

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Speaker 1: been put in the knowe of like a lot of

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Speaker 1: different acronyms. Um, you know, because of this show. I'll

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Speaker 1: be the first to admit I don't read every single

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Speaker 1: book of the people that we have. I read any

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Speaker 1: of them as I can, um, but unfortunately, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like some sometimes we just don't have I don't have time.

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Speaker 1: I also, I'll be like the first admit I have

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Speaker 1: a very uh I'm not quite like like him, but

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Speaker 1: I have like a Larry King style of interviewing where

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Speaker 1: if you watch old Larry King interviews, he's he's great,

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Speaker 1: he gets great information out of the people. But half

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Speaker 1: the time you're like, Larry King doesn't even know who

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Speaker 1: the funk he's speaking to, Like he doesn't he doesn't

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Speaker 1: even know what like he but but he still manages.

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Speaker 1: If you ask the right questions, you'll get people to

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Speaker 1: open up with that stuff. But sometimes I'm like, he

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Speaker 1: clearly has no knowledge of this subject. I am sometimes

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Speaker 1: that guy. And Larry King also speaks to a very broad,

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Speaker 1: mainstream audience, and this podcast is more of a niche audience,

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Speaker 1: and they kind of expect us to Yeah, that's why

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Speaker 1: you're here. Yeah, well, thank you. I'm not the expert

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Speaker 1: by any means you know anything. They're expertise in eighties

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Speaker 1: hair metal, that's what I'm an expert hit. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a military expert. My favorite was when Larry King interviewed

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Speaker 1: uh roseand and he was like, the Internet as a

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Speaker 1: viable means for political discourse? Is it? Is this the future?

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Speaker 1: And uh he admitted that he's never used the internet.

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Speaker 1: He's like, the wife loves it. What do you do?

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Speaker 1: He was like, you hit a little buttons. She's like, really,

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Speaker 1: you host the show never used it. I was had

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Speaker 1: a friend's birthday party with a cinematographer that my wife

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Speaker 1: works with, and actually I was trying to convince her

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Speaker 1: to come on the podcast because I was like, we

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Speaker 1: don't have enough female representation because there just aren't very

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Speaker 1: many females soft veterans. Now, yeah there, I mean as

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Speaker 1: to think there will be in twenty years, but there

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Speaker 1: aren't right now. I was trying. I was like, we

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Speaker 1: need some we need some girl power. If you want

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Speaker 1: to come on and we can shoot the ship we

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Speaker 1: get female combat veterans though, well Amber Smith who just

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Speaker 1: had a kid, maybe we'll get her. Congratulations Amber, that's awesome. Um,

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Speaker 1: but no, we still don't have like very many. It's

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Speaker 1: not like a deliberate, discriminatory sort of thing. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: until very recently, women have not been permitted in combat arms. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I think this podcast twenty years from now, we'll

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Speaker 1: probably have a lot more women on because of that.

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Speaker 1: Because now you think there'll be a software radio and

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Speaker 1: what would it be It would be twenty nine maybe.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm almost like of the mind, like

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Speaker 1: I'll just do this out of spite just a lot

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Speaker 1: because it passes people off, you know. Um, So I

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Speaker 1: mean I'll probably still be flapping my gums from you

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Speaker 1: know you've been listening to Self Red Radio. New episodes

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