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Speaker 1: Great episode with Ben Rector, episode three thirty three, and

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Speaker 1: this guy plays massive shows, just known for how good

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Speaker 1: of a singer, how good of a performer he is.

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Speaker 1: It was super pumped him over the house. Ben was

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Speaker 1: born at Tulsa studied piano growing up. He talked about how,

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Speaker 1: like everybody else, he quit playing piano. Did we put

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Speaker 1: on the thing? How violent a singer he is? Is

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Speaker 1: that on here? Yeah? He starts talking about that, about

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Speaker 1: how loud he speaks. Yeah, he talks to me, it's

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Speaker 1: like I just sing so violently. It doesn't look like

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Speaker 1: a guy who would sing violently. He looks like a

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Speaker 1: guy who just sing a pleasant little bitty But his

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Speaker 1: new record is really good and that's really wise here um.

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Speaker 1: And also at the end we kind of talk about

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Speaker 1: and playing golf and how he really wasn't a golfer

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Speaker 1: but now he's really really good. So, Ben Rector, this

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Speaker 1: is fun for me, and I think you'll I just

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Speaker 1: think you'll like his album. I think you'll like the

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Speaker 1: music that's already out right now too. You know, such

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Speaker 1: such fun, such positive music, Ben Rector, I'm gonna play

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Speaker 1: it for you now. Anything you want to say, Mike

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Speaker 1: before we it. I think that's the first time I

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Speaker 1: heard about him. He sold out a show here in town,

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Speaker 1: like a big amphitheater, and I was like, who's been

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Speaker 1: The Snoop Dogg story is funny that you're hearing this.

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Speaker 1: How he got Snoop Dogg on a record? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: great because it doesn't you know, like been Rector and

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Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg together. Hopefully I'm introducing you to an artist

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Speaker 1: that you love from here out. This has been Rector.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy Hello, Oh sounds sounds good? Yeah, we really mashed

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Speaker 1: it to your voice. So we took some clips to

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Speaker 1: your voice. We kind of put him through. We made

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Speaker 1: the we condense the mic to your voice, so should

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Speaker 1: feel perfect. If I was singing, I would just I

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Speaker 1: would would blow this up. It's so so loud, all right?

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Speaker 1: Do you need it? You need it down your volumes

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Speaker 1: right there. I'm just the amount of sound that I

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Speaker 1: admit when I sing is embarrassing. Are you a loud singer?

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Speaker 1: So loud? I've performed with a few really violently loud singers,

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Speaker 1: John Party, I don't know if you know that is

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Speaker 1: but he treats his voice like it did something bad

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Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, I I just don't. Um. I don't

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Speaker 1: that's just a lot of noise. Has that always in

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Speaker 1: I don't and I don't know. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: that is. What's what's the deal with your your music prowess?

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Speaker 1: Meaning did you have a family that was music early on? No,

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Speaker 1: like it's not a thing. That's like, oh, you take

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Speaker 1: And I picked it up late in life, like I

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Speaker 1: It just was all into it. So who put the

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Speaker 1: But if we played like pick up sports, you would

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Speaker 1: So like I would say, I'm coordinated, but I'm not,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean, Like, were you playing around Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not It's not great, man, it's not great. What's funny?

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Speaker 1: And so we we we played shows, we like made

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Speaker 1: like always a band thing. Your mark literally was reformed

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Speaker 1: be fun. It was just like a fun side project.

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Speaker 1: But here's a clip of one of the songs from EP.

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Speaker 1: This is euro mart I'm just kidding. I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, where did you find you don't have that? That

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Speaker 1: That would have been awesome. So you you go when

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Speaker 1: you're from Tulsa, Are you from Tulsa Proper? Or because

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Speaker 1: my wife is from, um, you know a suburb of Tulsa. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so are you from Tulsa Tulsa? From Tulsa proper? My family, UM,

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Speaker 1: my sisters are a lot older than I am. And

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Speaker 1: so the first two years of my life and then

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Speaker 1: to Tulsa, UM when I was two and we lived

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Speaker 1: there ever since. So, just like suburban Tulsa. You decided

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Speaker 1: And so part of it is like I think it

426
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Speaker 1: sounds like Snoop and I are just like best buds,

427
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 1: like throwing it back and forth, and in reality it

428
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,239
Speaker 1: was a very stressed out me that was probably like

429
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Speaker 1: seven thirty five am. I'm like, what would I want

430
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,000
Speaker 1: him to say? I'd be like Snoop, I know we

431
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 1: tried it was closed, wouldn't that be great? And I

432
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,640
Speaker 1: was like, That's what I'm gonna do? But it ended

433
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 1: up it ended up working out, but it was pretty

434
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 1: funny to get there. Now. In your bio, Ben Rector

435
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,119
Speaker 1: also wrap a Snoop Dogg and Snoop. In that wrap,

436
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,239
Speaker 1: Snoop says, you know, I don't think I'm extrapolating too

437
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 1: much in this, but he said, we you know they

438
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 1: there's only there's only one of the We've got that

439
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 1: hustler flow. And so I'm I'm happy to accept that

440
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 1: from Snoop Dogg. Did I pay him to say that? Yes,

441
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 1: but he I think he meant it. I feel he

442
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 1: meant it. Yeah, for sure, you're an art of Arkansas.

443
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,120
Speaker 1: Maybe I think the story that I read was maybe

444
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 1: your sophomore of your freshman year, like, do you interest

445
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: song in a contest? Yeah? It was a John Lennon

446
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: songwriting contest, which I had No. I don't think any

447
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 1: business entering. I don't know what made me think that

448
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: I should, and so I did, and then I wanted

449
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: which was crazy. And who's in this contest all over America,

450
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 1: all the world? Yeah, it's it's still goes on now.

451
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: I haven't followed it. It's just basically like I don't

452
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: know if there's rules against professionals, but it's just like

453
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 1: enter your songs to be considered. And they had like,

454
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 1: you know, judges who were like cool. I don't remember

455
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: who they were, but it was like hip people. What

456
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 1: was this a song that you had just written? Was it?

457
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 1: Oh euromart song? It wasn't a euromart was it was

458
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: an original? Uh? Just one of my songs I had made,

459
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: like an EP over Chris This break at Oral Roberts University,

460
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: which is a Christian university in Tulsa. They have a

461
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 1: studio that we used, and um, I entered that song

462
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, I got a call like I don't know

463
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: how long after that, and someone was like, is this Bend.

464
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, they're like you won. It was

465
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: like I won what like you won the gent and

466
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: SI as like incredible, that's awesome. Um, and then it

467
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: was cool. I mean, nothing like major changed for me then,

468
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: but it was really cool to get some affirmation to

469
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 1: be like, oh, hey, like maybe I could do this.

470
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: What do you win? Though it was actually quite cool.

471
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: They it's at that point it was sponsored by Roland

472
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 1: and somebody else, and they just were like it was

473
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of I want to say it

474
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: was like ten thousand dollars of stuff, and so I

475
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: got to pick out like pedals and the piano and

476
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 1: some cases and whatever it was. It was I was like,

477
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: this is incredible. It's awesome. Practically it was amazing for

478
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: what you were doing, the stuff that you could Oh

479
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: yeah no, I used like that piano and some of

480
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: that stuff for like a long time. But I think

481
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway was just like, you know, I'm just

482
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: like making all of I still I'm making all of

483
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: this up. But then I was just like I didn't

484
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: even know if am I really doing music? And it

485
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: was cool to have any outside anything be like, hey,

486
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: you're good at this. I was like, oh, thank you,

487
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: that's awesome. When did you start to feel the sort

488
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: of underground buzz that made you go, wow, this is

489
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 1: not that you don't deserve it or you aren't talented enough,

490
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 1: but you can be both and and still not get

491
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: I think honestly, man. So, second semester of freshman year,

492
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: I started playing on campus and people would like come

493
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: to shows, but it was usually like you know how

494
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: it starts. It's like your friends are excited about it,

495
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: and they might bring a couple of friends and it's like, Okay,

496
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,719
Speaker 1: this is kind of cool. And the summer in between

497
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: freshman and sophomore year, everybody took everybody that had bought

498
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: my like EP home. They took it home and shared it.

499
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: And so like the next year, there was a bunch

500
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: of people like I'm making this up, Like Kappa Kappa

501
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: Gamma at a state wants me to come play it,

502
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: like the walkathon for charity, a bunch of stuff like that.

503
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: And so that next year I was playing in other

504
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: places and basically like when I would come back to

505
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: those places, I would realize I was like I don't

506
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,479
Speaker 1: know anybody here, Like none of my friends are at

507
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: this show. You're just here, I guess because you like this.

508
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: I think like probably sophomore year I started to realize

509
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: that it was like I stopped knowing people at the

510
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: shows and it was just like people, And I was like, oh,

511
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: this must kind of be working because it's not like

512
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: my buddies and their friends. It's just like strangers. So

513
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: I think probably maybe sophomore junior year, it felt like

514
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: it was like I was being pulled by like a

515
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: ski boat rather than like trying to like paddle myself,

516
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: you know. And is that the time when you thought,

517
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: all right, this is it, Like I got it, that's

518
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. Not maybe I don't. Not I

519
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: have it in that I'm really great, I'm gonna rock this,

520
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: but like I got it, like I've kind of found

521
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: my purpose. Yeah. I think, um my parents practicality rubbed

522
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: off on me in that, Like I was never the

523
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna like go out l a and

524
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: chase my dreams. Like I just I'm not really wired

525
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: like that. And um so I think that probably probably

526
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: like junior year, I started being like, I think this

527
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: is my job. Like there was enough stuff coming in

528
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: and I was missing enough school and we were at

529
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: that point starting to play like actual venues. It wasn't

530
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: like just bars anymore. Like I remember we played the

531
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: House of Blues Dallas and just felt like we had

532
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: like won the Grammys or something. Um. I think when

533
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: that started happening, it was like, oh, like this is

534
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: this is probably what I'm supposed to do because it

535
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: was enough of a wave. It wasn't like, oh, yeah,

536
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: it's like Ben Place covers at a college bar. It

537
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it seems like people are actually enjoying this.

538
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: So I'd say, yeah, that's kind of like when I

539
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: was like maybe I could do this. I mean this

540
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: in the most complimentary way because I feel this way

541
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: about even me at a point, because I've shifted and

542
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: done all the different formats I've been hip hop and

543
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: pop up the country. You're a bit genre lists, which

544
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: is great and at times can also be frustrating. Totally

545
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: so being a genre lest artists, Like, was there ever

546
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: anyone that said, hey man, pick a lane, like pick

547
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: a lane and dedicate to it? And you know what's

548
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: interesting is like I was super fortunate to come along

549
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: at the time that I did because you could kind

550
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: of like choose your own adventure, like it was just

551
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: when iTunes was like really happening, and there wasn't really

552
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: as much of a ceiling anymore on independent artists, which

553
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: was awesome because I was like, oh great, like I

554
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: can just like make music I want to make it

555
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: seems like people like it. This would be great. But

556
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: because of that, like I also wasn't in the infrastructure

557
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: of the music industry, and so I was kind of like, uh,

558
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: like an overgrown cottage industry musician where it's like, oh,

559
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: like there's like a type of like a dwarf tree.

560
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: I was like a tall version of that, and so

561
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: um because I wasn't on a label or anything, there

562
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: was nobody being like, hey man, to like really have

563
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: this blow up. We need you to make like folk

564
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: music only where we need you to whatever. I was

565
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: just like I was a and ring everything and I'm

566
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: like making the records, and so I'd say later on

567
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: in my career like now, it is occasionally frustrating because

568
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, dang, Like I like I envy the

569
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: infrastructure of country because it's like hey, like there's a

570
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: there's a playbook here and it's not necessarily that simple,

571
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: but like there are lanes for people making this kind

572
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: of music, and for me now it's weird because like

573
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the same lane as like do Aalipa,

574
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of in that lane, but I'm not

575
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: really that. But I'm also I'm not really in the

576
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: like folk Americana and so um. I think in hindsight,

577
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: it probably would have behooved me to be like, oh,

578
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: like really drilled down on like one thing. Um, But

579
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a time and place thing. Like

580
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: I if I had been come along ten years earlier,

581
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: I probably just would have signed because we've talked to

582
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: like labels on every record, and it's always just been

583
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: like I was a little bit too late, like senior

584
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: singer songwriter music was kind of like coming down in

585
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: popularity as I was coming up, and it just never

586
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: really made sense for me. So if it was ten

587
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: years earlier, I probably would have signed end and done it.

588
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: And because I came around a little later, it's just

589
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: like yeah and so um, it's always kind of fallen

590
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: on me to sort of creative direct that stuff, which

591
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: is good and bad. Like creative freedom is awesome, but

592
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: sometimes it would be great to have somebody be like, hey, like,

593
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna plug you into this lane. And so now

594
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: it's just kind of I'm just sort of free floating.

595
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: You know. How I relate to that a bit. And

596
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: why I asked that question is when I was doing pop,

597
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: I was too country to do pop. When I did country,

598
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: I was too pop to do country. When I did

599
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: hip hop, when I did sports, I never I never

600
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: quite fit anywhere, but I was able to go anywhere.

601
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: And there is a power in that. Then I could

602
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: go anywhere. And I was extremely and still am extremely versatile.

603
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: But again, I never I was never a part of

604
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: any group totally that they just welcomed and embraced. If anything,

605
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: people obviously I wouldn't be at the point. So I'm

606
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: not I'm not whining about it because it's been great,

607
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: but I never had just a group that said you're

608
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: one of us, let's go together. Sure, And I was

609
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: good at what I did. Heck, I'm great at what

610
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: I do, but there still wasn't and and I just

611
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: I can feel that at times with you as well.

612
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: You're great at what you do, but you know, there's

613
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: really not a lane. This has come on in right,

614
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: and I think I think the real difficulty is I

615
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: there are I think those lanes do exist, but I

616
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: think like, especially in the last ten or fifteen years,

617
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: they've changed so much, Like the definitions of formats at

618
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: radio have changed a ton, Like we think about that

619
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: a lot with this record, where it's like there's songs

620
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: that I think could do well and like people are

621
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: starting to play the Living My Best Life the first single,

622
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: which is great, but there's not like a total lock

623
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: fit for me for a lane. And it's funny because

624
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: it's like really like it's pop music, but what pop

625
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: radio is or looks like today, it's like a little

626
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: bit odd for that, like it doesn't totally fit. Um.

627
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, and it is a challenge, And

628
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: I think the place that it's a challenge is mainly

629
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: just like in the street stuff because big picture, people

630
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: can kind of find what they want to find, and

631
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: like I've been super fortunate to have like people be

632
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: like we like this enough to like have it be

633
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: a thing. It's really more the kind of like uh,

634
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: internal industry stuff that's a little bit tough because I

635
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: feel like I always joke I'll use the like office space,

636
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: we put cover sheets on the TPS reports. I was

637
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: always like, if I make a good enough report, it's

638
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: not gonna matter. And I realized in the internal like

639
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: industry stuff, it's like, now I we need still you

640
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: need a cover sheet. We on the CPS reports, TVs reports,

641
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: we have cover sheets, and it's like, oh, man, like

642
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: I I didn't get the memo on that. I just didn't.

643
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: I don't put those on there, you know what I mean?

644
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: I think I heard it on the Pulse I listened

645
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: to because that's serious too, and listen to the not

646
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: nineties on nine. But I think I heard your new

647
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: single on the Pulse? Is that right? Yeah? And there

648
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: they a man are so great, um huge shout out

649
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: to them, but they they just started playing it. And

650
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: it's honestly, I feel like, uh, for me, especially, radio

651
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: has always been like an interest endeavor. But for whatever reason,

652
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: again with me being like maybe this is just gonna work,

653
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a little bit of like a

654
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: thing happening where stations are playing it that I didn't

655
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: think would, and it feels like people like I like

656
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: this song, I'm gonna play it, which is like incredible,

657
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: but I don't know where that will go. But serious

658
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: has has been super kind to like start playing it,

659
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: which is super awesome because I'm not I'm not like

660
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 1: on Universal or something. It's just like me and Greg.

661
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Here, let me play some

662
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: of living my best life. Here you go wake up

663
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: with the sunrise. It does not look good. Thing I

664
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: thought that, but I've been gets him steps and awest

665
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: my best friend. It's the best said it has been

666
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: in a long I'm living my bed. Whenever you see

667
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: the art for The Joy music, yeah, the Red Creature,

668
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: and I watched I think I watched you do a

669
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: whole Q and A on it. But but I'll remove

670
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: what I kind of already know and just explain it

671
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: to me. It's basically you and what looks like a muppet.

672
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if a muppet was the you know,

673
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: in the genesis of the idea. Yeah, so I'll tell

674
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: you the whole story. Um, Basically, I had this crazy,

675
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: wild idea to make kind of a creature that would

676
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: embody Joy because I started realizing the record was gonna

677
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: be called The Joy of Music and kind of had

678
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: the idea to be like, let's make this short film

679
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: which is like music videos for the record together and

680
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: with one narrative, and um, I was like, I've never

681
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: seen anybody do that, and it would be so awesome

682
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: just to like get everybody in on this joke with me.

683
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: I transparently can also like at shows and stuff like

684
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: throw the like spotlight onto this thing and I have

685
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: it do stuff and like get a little bit of

686
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: a break. And also it just sounds super fun to

687
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: me to get to do something creative like that. So

688
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: I sketched out some stuff and I was like, who

689
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: could build this? Looked all over the internet at Jim

690
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: Henson's Creature Shop is like the best in the world.

691
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: At this they make them up. It's sesame Street and

692
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: like anything that looks like that they made where the

693
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: wild things are like all that stuff. Um, we talked

694
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: to them and it was expensive, and I was like,

695
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like are they gonna

696
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a big enough project for them

697
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: that they're gonna do a great job. I'm worried that

698
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, oh, we got the new Star

699
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: Wars movie. Sorry, kid, Like here's your like silly creature.

700
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: It's like snoop. They make one and that's it. Like,

701
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: here you go. I didn't want to, I know, but

702
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to, like figure,

703
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm trying to feel out, like how's this going to go?

704
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: Talk to another group? And so when realized that Henson's

705
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: was the way to go, so talk to them, and

706
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: they do. They were the best. It was a dream

707
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: and so I'll you know, I think you'll probably pick

708
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: up what I'm putting down here, But this is kind

709
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: of the party line with Joy. What actually happened was

710
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I sketched it out there. Artist sketches that out better.

711
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: We kind of like start diving in. They start building

712
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: a prototype. They're like building this giant suit. I went

713
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: to their offices in New York and like tried it

714
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: on and gave notes and we got really close to

715
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: the end. They're like, you're never gonna believe this. There's

716
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: a guy that looks just like this and he lives

717
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: in Nashville. His name is Joy, And I was like,

718
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: why didn't you just tell me this when we started out.

719
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: So what had happened was Joy is just living in

720
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: Murphy's borrow, just giant red creature, and he had talked

721
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: to Henson and he was like, I want to be

722
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: in the Muppets, and they were like, you can't be

723
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: in the Muppets. We make the Muppets. And he was like,

724
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: oh bummer. And so when this happened, I just ended

725
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: up casting him in the film and they helped me

726
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: find him. You know what I mean, I'm confused with

727
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: references to him and him living in Boro. It's hard.

728
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, what I'm gonna say is the

729
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: older you get, it can be harder and harder to

730
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: believe that Joy exists. Got it? But there is, you know,

731
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: and you know, you guys are close. We're tight. Man.

732
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: He's actually staying at my house right now. He's really great.

733
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: He's a really good guy. And well, Joy come to

734
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: shows and ever present or make appearances. We're kind of

735
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: we're in talks with him and we're trying to figure

736
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: that out. Um. You know. As the as the short

737
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: film started to come out, he's like a little bit like, well,

738
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I gotta consider some other options,

739
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: et cetera. But I think he'll come out on the

740
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: road with us. Well, he need his own bus for

741
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: pretty much. You know, I mean, you you would you

742
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: would be you can kind of tell on the cover,

743
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: but um, it's so much bigger in real life than

744
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: you would think. Like you and I couldn't get our

745
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: arms around him. It's so big, really big. I mean

746
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: I initially when I saw the yard thought it was

747
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: probably just like a foot and alt hall. Oh no,

748
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: I mean I know, just next to you large about that? No, no, no, no,

749
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: I mean really and truly, man, it is so before

750
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: everything came out, we kind of had Joy walk around

751
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: Nashville one day and we went to twelve where I

752
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: used to live, and I mean you can see Joy

753
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: from a mile away, and it is like it's just

754
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: the most giant thing. It's wild. It's truly crazy. Do

755
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: you expect Joy to be in your future creative process

756
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: or is this a one album thing? You know? I

757
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: don't know. Or I spent off into book kids, but

758
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 1: I just want to kids book, no joke. So kind

759
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: of Joy has started to express to me maybe some interest,

760
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: like maybe he wants to make some music, and I'm like, well,

761
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: we could talk about that, so you know, I could

762
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: see that offshoot happening. And then honestly, we have talked

763
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: about him doing some kind of a you know, because

764
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: these kids so far love him. My kids are like

765
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: truly like love him more than me. So maybe maybe

766
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: we'll do that. One of the other songs on the

767
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: record has Kenny G. I watched I'm Not Done with It.

768
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: You have you watched the HBO documentary on Keny No,

769
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: I've heard him. I've heard it's awesome. It's awesome. Yeah,

770
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: I've heard his rad and Kenny G is more than

771
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: just a saxophone player, dude. So I I can't say

772
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: enough good things about Kenny G and my experience working

773
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: with him. The best guy in the world. And he

774
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: so he was the first person, he was the first

775
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: like quote unquote feature on the record. There's a song

776
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: with saxophone on it, and I was like, what if

777
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: we got Kenny G to play this? So we get

778
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: with Kenny G. He's awesome. I don't know if it's

779
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna be like I'm just gonna shred over your song,

780
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: have fun, or if it's like we work on it together.

781
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: And so he sends his first pass and I literally

782
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: into him in an email is like, I don't know

783
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: how this goes. Is this like you're Kenny G and

784
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: you give me the sacks? Good luck or do I

785
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: give you notes on the sacks And he's like, oh, man,

786
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: let's make it what you wanted to be. So like

787
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: we go back and forth and the coolest part of

788
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: the whole thing it comes, you know. He's like, man,

789
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: I've had a great time on this. I'm really glad

790
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: I got to do it. And I was like, that's

791
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: so kind of you, man, and so like, I'm getting

792
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: ready to kick it over to my manager to work

793
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: out like whatever financial arrangement we're gonna have, and he's

794
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: just like, man, don't worry about it. I loved I

795
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: loved it. I was like, Kenny g are you kidding me?

796
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: Like are you serious? And dude, he just the kindest

797
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: guy of all time and it was so fun to

798
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: work with. He was he was a blast man. You'll

799
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: like the HBO Max documentaries that you have a relationship

800
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: with them already, but it's just shows the many sides

801
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: of him. He's also a big golfer, was super into

802
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: golf and I so I this was like in the

803
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, the very the very beginning craziness of COVID,

804
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: but I was like, man, and we talked about that.

805
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: He's like, we should played all some time, and I

806
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: was like, from fem from your lips to God's ears,

807
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: how did you get so good at golf? And Jake Oh,

808
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, you know, Ben's really good. I

809
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: was working I was working with I've worked with everyone,

810
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: and I still suck. And we were talking about something

811
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: in your name came up and he's like, you know,

812
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: Ben's really good, and I thought, okay, sure, whatever, And

813
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: then I see you on like the Golf channel swinging

814
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: a driver outside you or something, and then you're playing

815
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: at Jake or at Jake with Jake, or at least

816
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: at the same event, the Pebble Beach. Yeah, the prom Yeah,

817
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: so man, okay, So what actually happened was, um, I

818
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: I played my Chris Wiley of euro mart fame, and

819
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: I in eighth grade. I was very large seventh grade actually,

820
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: I was very chubby kid, and Chris is like six

821
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: for like a hundred pounds. We were like the odd couple.

822
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, we decided to try out for the

823
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: golf team, none of us being good at all at golf,

824
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: and the deal was like pretty much nobody tried out,

825
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: so we both made it. No instruction, no anything. It

826
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: was literally like childcare pretty much. So my mom would

827
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: drive us out to the middle of nowhere. It was

828
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: really far away and literally like I don't remember a

829
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: coach speaking to me. It was just like, you're here,

830
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: hit balls. I guess so. Um. I stopped playing after that,

831
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't really consider that like a history with golf.

832
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: It was like one year for like a fall, I

833
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: like hit some balls kind of. I asked Chris. I

834
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: was like, how bad were we? He was like, I

835
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: don't think we broke a hundred and twenty, like truly,

836
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: I think we were like not golfers. So after college,

837
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, I was like kind of looking for a hobby.

838
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: And then I started touring more and Hillary, my wife,

839
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: I would come home and she was like, you really

840
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: need to find a hobby because I would go from

841
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: being on the road moving a million miles an hour

842
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: and then I'd kind of be like bouncing off the

843
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: walls at home. So her dad gave me his old

844
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: golf clubs and I started playing a little bit. What

845
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: age the twenty four And I'm always like, these kids

846
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: that are good. They started at eleven, they were rich kids. Yeah,

847
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: now I and and and I honestly did. My greatest

848
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: regretted life as that I didn't play golf because I

849
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: had so many years I could have played, and instead

850
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: of like it doesn't matter if I can feel the

851
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: ground er, now it doesn't it doesn't matter. Um. But

852
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: so basically I started playing like a little more. And

853
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: then probably like five or six years ago, I was

854
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: like kind of getting into it in a real way,

855
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, I should join a club here,

856
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: and so I joined it the place Jake plays. And

857
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: that's when I got like actually serious about it, and

858
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: so I just to playing with people that were better

859
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: than I was, and like practiced. Do you ever play

860
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: with Corney h dude? You know it's so weird. I

861
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: don't know if we've ever played together, and we've talked

862
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: about it. I see him all the time, and I

863
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: feel like we just keep like our schedules don't line up,

864
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: but I need to play with him. He's also a

865
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: guy that's annoyingly good, takes it really applied with it,

866
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: takes it really seriously. And you're jealous because he has

867
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: multiple things really good. Um, you're weren't. You should come

868
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: hang out with our group though we we have a

869
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: filled grounders club no. We also, yeah, we're sit around

870
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: the Phili grounders all day. I can't tell you see

871
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: if joking? Yeah, of course maybe legit. If it was

872
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: like Homer and Derby, I'd be like, let's do we

873
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: do that? Though we do home run Derby too. There's

874
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: a little baseball phil this. I'm serious about seven of

875
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: us and there's uh, it's probably a filth, like twelve

876
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: year olds and we play home run Derby. Oh dude,

877
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: I mean that that's the exact kind of pick up

878
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: sports that I miss. We I gotta call last, do

879
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: you play basketball? Pick up basketball? Ever? I messed up

880
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: my ankle really bad a year ago and I haven't

881
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: done anything like that since. I also am nervous about

882
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: playing in and I have a lot of friends that

883
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: are like, hey, let's play, and so I have been considering.

884
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: You told me, I think this is lamb or not

885
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: hiring one of these coaches they coach like ten year

886
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: olds to come out here in a basketball court and

887
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: like work with me. That's a great idea to make

888
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: sure that I'm back in it all. Dude, I think

889
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea. It would It would

890
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: be an enriching experience. I feel like any any new

891
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: challenge is awesome. I feel like the older you get,

892
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: it's easy for me to be like I don't want

893
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: to do new stuff, and it's I think it's rad

894
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: when let's go back again. So you're a did you

895
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: graduate college? I graduated, I mean just nice, just barely.

896
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: It was to the point if I had had two

897
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: more years, I don't know if I would have finished.

898
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: And I vividly remember. So I've played two shows in college,

899
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: which is insane. It was like every weekend Thursday, I'd leave,

900
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: come back Sunday night. I remember one time getting back

901
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: to class on a Monday and they were handing out

902
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: Scantron's and I was like, this is bad. I didn't

903
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: know he had a test today, which is I try

904
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: to like take stuff seriously, so I d of came

905
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: in for a crash. I had to keep a certain

906
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: g p A for my scholarship, and I was like

907
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: just barely barely slid in. So where did you move

908
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: to when you graduated college? I moved to Nashville, So

909
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: basically I was going to stay in Fayetteville and um

910
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: a couple I there was like a core of Nashville

911
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: singer songwriters that I like looked up to, and it

912
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: played some shows with it was like Dave Barnes and

913
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: at Words and those guys, and Dave was like, you

914
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: should really move to Nashville. And I was like, Nashville

915
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: doesn't need another like guy with songs about his feelings

916
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: who plays guitar like you guys chock full of that.

917
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: And he was like you should just consider it. And

918
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: so UM ended up moving right after to Nashville, and like, yeah,

919
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: it was literally like finished college, finished, like an EP

920
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: drive to Nashville to like find a place to live.

921
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: It was like that does this place feel like home?

922
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: You know? I think it does. There's the only part

923
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't is I didn't realize that like Oklahoma. I

924
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: think I grew up thinking Oklahoma was so darn and

925
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: I think some Oklahoma's think that, but it's really like

926
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys South. It's like a different flavor. And so I've

927
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: realized I'm like, oh, like I actually kind of missed

928
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: Oklahoma because that's like my like native tongue. That's like

929
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: like I'm so used to that. Um, And so I

930
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: think Nashville totally feels like home, but there's still a

931
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: little bit of like, oh, this isn't exactly like where

932
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: I grew up. And I think I didn't expect that

933
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: because when I moved here, I was like, yeah, I'll

934
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: be like Oklahoma. And it's like, oh, it's a little different,

935
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: but I like it. Again. My wife from Fort Gibson

936
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: and I always assumed Oklahoma was the South. It was

937
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: just next to Arkansas totally, and it's and it really

938
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: is not. It's a different brand, and it's yeah, it's not.

939
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: And she doesn't even think of Oklahoma as the South.

940
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: And not only that, she's like, hey, we weren't on

941
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: the bed side in the Civil War, right, we weren't

942
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: even state. Yeah, she was like, we weren't. We weren't

943
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, totally. Now, I think, and I think

944
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: some people in Oklahoma would claim like being Southern. But

945
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: I think that like when you meet someone who's from

946
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: like Alabama or George, it's like, oh, it's not. It's

947
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: not like that, you know what I mean. It's kind

948
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: of its own thing. Here is a clip of Supernatural

949
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: featuring Dave cos from video album See Something, super Natur

950
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: Let's Do one More. Here is dream On, dream On,

951
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: dream Of, Even when you're afraid, Oh your dreams maybe

952
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: gone stream on Dreamer, when what's chans you crazy? Just

953
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: telling them they're wrong. Dream I was looking at some

954
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: of your tour and you tour not like a country act,

955
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: which is even when when I tour, if I'm doing

956
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: Standout or we're doing our music comedy group, we tour

957
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: like a country artist. I got a job, you know, well,

958
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: tour maybe Thursday night, Friday Saturday, mostly just Friday Saturday, right.

959
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: And then I have friends that aren't in country music

960
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: and they just go and stay on the road like

961
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: knock it out. Yeah, you're kind of a hybrid of that,

962
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: like there are times where you're out there for four

963
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: or five, six nights in a row, and yeah, and

964
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: and so um. I used to do the like go

965
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: out for like two solid months, speak on the whole time.

966
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: And I think just having kids, I was just like

967
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to for a long time, I did

968
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: music like it was like a rental car or like

969
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: summer camp. It was like a dead sprint. I was like,

970
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like sprint as fast as far as I can,

971
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: then we'll be done with this. And I think now

972
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: I realized, like, oh, this is my real life, so

973
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: I need to like integrate it into that. So, um,

974
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 1: it's a little more expensive to not just be gone.

975
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: But I've also realized, like I just I don't think

976
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: I would do well. It's at some point for me

977
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: in the life stage I'm in with kids and stuff,

978
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: it's like I just don't want to be like actually

979
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: gone for that whole chunk of time. So um, yeah,

980
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: it just kind of pens like I try at this

981
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: point keep it to like three shows a week, just

982
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: like anytime I have a bunch of four show weeks

983
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: in a row. Vocally it can get a little bit dicey,

984
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: but sometimes routing stuff, it's like, yeah, like we will

985
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: just stay out. But it just kind of depends when

986
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: you do the new tour again. I was watching on

987
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: your Instagram. Someone's like, Hey, you're gonna play the old

988
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: stuff the new stuff? Will you play the entire new record?

989
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually trying to figure that out, and part

990
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: of me is like I'll be interested to see, like, um,

991
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: it's the first record I've been optimistic about and I

992
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: just I'm like, I think it's actually good. Were you

993
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: the most sad person ever before the truck. No, No,

994
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: it's finally had faith in myself. I think it's I

995
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: think what it actually is is like I'm just I'm

996
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: very critical of the stuff that I do, and so

997
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: like there's there hasn't been anything that I've released that

998
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think this is bad, Like I'm not

999
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: like that. But there was always kind of an asterisk

1000
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: with stuff like in golf, you know, it always felt

1001
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: like I wanted to make a little bit of excuse

1002
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, like that was that one was

1003
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: a little toy, like know, they didn't get all that one.

1004
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: And I think this is the first one that I'm like,

1005
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: I had this one good, Like this is about as

1006
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: hard as I can hit this record, and that's a

1007
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: It's just a funny feeling for me because I think

1008
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm used to being like, oh I should have done

1009
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: that song again or whatever. So um, yeah, I think

1010
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: it's just the first time that I've that I haven't

1011
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: maybe that I've made something that I don't still feel

1012
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: like very critical of. I'm like, I think it's good.

1013
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: So part of me is like I'll be interested to

1014
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: see what people's reaction to it is and if it

1015
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: ends up being like a whole thing where it's like, yeah, dude,

1016
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: we got We're gonna play the whole record and other

1017
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: stuff too. If I had to guess, I bet it

1018
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: will be like a decent amount of the new record

1019
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: and other stuff. Because I never want to be the

1020
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: person that someone's like, we came from des Moinese for

1021
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: this show and like you didn't play the song we

1022
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: want to. I want people to leave being like that

1023
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: was awesome, And I don't ever want to be like

1024
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to play the old stuff. But I

1025
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what songs will resonate or if it'll

1026
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, people are as excited about this

1027
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: record as I am, so we need to play a

1028
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: lot of them. I bet it would be a little

1029
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: They're both when you cover Shania Twain still the one

1030
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: you know we were playing I was playing on the

1031
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: National AC count I show. You know you can't play

1032
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: it on the radio, Like why that? Why record that?

1033
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: Why put that out? Like what about that song? To you? Well? So,

1034
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean in Oklahoma, country music very popular, and I

1035
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: feel like because I wasn't at an early age like

1036
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: diving into like obscure random stuff, the country music was

1037
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: just playing. I love that song. It's like literally just

1038
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: one of the best songs I think ever. Um. And

1039
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: I also love with covers stuff that's like a little

1040
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: bit there's a little bit kitchy, a little bit unexpected,

1041
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of fun and funny. Um, not just like an

1042
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: earnest like this is like a very important song, because

1043
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: I feel like people wouldn't immediately be like, oh, you

1044
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: probably would cover Shania Twain. But I think it's just

1045
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: like as a writer, I was just excited to play

1046
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: it every because I'm like, it's such a good song,

1047
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: and then it people on the road enjoyed it more

1048
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: than I expected, and so we're like, well we have to, like,

1049
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, we should put this version of it out

1050
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: the record in its entirety out March eleven. There are

1051
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: some songs out already now. The tour you can go

1052
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: to Ben Rector music dot com, slash Tour, the Joy

1053
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: of Music Tour. There will be special appearances by Joy. Yes,

1054
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: we can say that. Yeah, well I think we already.

1055
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: I thought we already said that. Well, I was trying

1056
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: to still give him an out in case he changed

1057
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: his mind, but he's gonna come. Um, JP Sacks, Yeah,

1058
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: is gonna come out on the road with you. Yeah,

1059
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: so he's basically we split the tour in the tour right, Yeah,

1060
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: So basically the front side is again named Jake Scott,

1061
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: who's also from our mark Ye and then um JP.

1062
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: I just love his music, Like at the beginning of

1063
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: the pandemic, I would go for runs and I just

1064
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: like wore his music out, and he Aaron Sterling, was

1065
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: a drummer friend of mine, plays for everybody he played

1066
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: on his stuff and so like I know a few

1067
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: people that know him. And so when I was thinking

1068
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: about this tour, I'm trying on this cycle to just

1069
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: do stuff that sounds fun, and I was like, it

1070
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: sounds like fun to have JP sacks out because I

1071
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: just think his music is awesome. So he'll he'll be

1072
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: on the back side of the tour, and then the

1073
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: first of three slot there's two guys who I think

1074
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: are like the best young Nashville singer songwriters, just both

1075
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: insanely talented, and so they're gonna split that set. They'll

1076
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: like play like, you know, a few songs each and

1077
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: then we'll join in my band. Oh that's cool. Yeah, alright,

1078
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: Well he's all over starting in May and it's one

1079
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: to three. I can just ask you, but I'm going

1080
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: to count out and be really annoying. Three four or

1081
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: five six seven looks like twenty shows or so, yeah,

1082
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: it's probably is. I don't know if the final count

1083
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 1: was I counted wrong, then all right, maybe maybe it twenty.

1084
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: You could be right. You know, it's a couple of them.

1085
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: Don't go on seal yet, the one in Vienna that's

1086
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: probably yeah. You guys go follow Ben at ben Underscore

1087
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: Rector because I'm assuming somebody has been rector. There is

1088
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: a British photographer who doesn't post anymore, but he he

1089
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: beat me to Instagram. Actually, my social people were just like,

1090
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: he hasn't posted for a why I think might be

1091
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: able to get it from I'm like, no, I don't

1092
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen. That's the worst because I have

1093
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: to go with Mr Bobby Bones everywhere now. Really, because

1094
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: one guy who wasn't posting from Virginia Beach named Bobby

1095
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: Bones named his name the handle and there's yeah, we

1096
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: couldn't get it from him. I was I was just

1097
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: like I was a little bit of a late adopter

1098
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: on Instagram, and then I looked up and some guy

1099
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: had it. I mean that was when it was like

1100
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: nobody used it, but he was. He was at ben

1101
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: Rector was quick, He's got it. Read one question for

1102
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: been Rector. All right, this is read Or. He does

1103
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: the cameras, he's running all the cameras. No pressure, read pressure. No,

1104
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: he does this too every time. Okay, okay, come prepared.

1105
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: But I used to just hit him with it and

1106
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: he was like you are you are you? Are you

1107
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: from Arkansas? I am where? Yeah? I grew up in Benton.

1108
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: Sweet man. Yeah, man, that's all I do. I just

1109
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: hire us. We're all, we all work together, we're all cousins.

1110
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: Somehow we try to get back. But I've been a

1111
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: fan for a long time, awesome things all throughout junior high,

1112
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: in high school and stuff. And one of my favorite

1113
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: songs of yours is probably yeah, So how did that

1114
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: song come about? And like is it a true story?

1115
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: So I would say that story is like an amalgamation,

1116
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: so it's like not necessarily like this happened like on

1117
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: this flight, but that's like a type of conversation that

1118
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: I had with a bunch of people and I realized, like,

1119
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to be able to write a

1120
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: song that was like from a place of gratitude, um,

1121
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: but also acknowledging that, like some of the parts of

1122
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: my job are kind of weird. So uh, that's it's

1123
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: a it's a conversation that I had with you know,

1124
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: a number of people, and then I kind of distilled

1125
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: it down to like one thing. So it did really happen,

1126
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like and it happened like on flight

1127
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: to for eight Atlanta, you know what I mean. I

1128
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: met on a flight. Yeah, I thought it was I

1129
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: thought that's what it was about. Actually, but yeah, we

1130
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: were flying to California. So that day I now remember this.

1131
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: I think it was like some kind of was like

1132
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: a radio festival or something in maybe Arizona. Maybe we

1133
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: weren't going or coming from the same spot. So that day,

1134
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: no joke. I think that's the only time I've ever

1135
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: done this. But I think I was in every time

1136
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: zone of America on that day because we woke up

1137
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: in the on the East coast and we had to

1138
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: fly connecting somewhere. Then we got to that place, and

1139
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: then I ended up flying from there to Central time

1140
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: because I was meeting the tour later, it was a day,

1141
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: it was a thing. Well, you were still fairly nice.

1142
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: You you're very kind. I don't even say really like, hey,

1143
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: you're fine, you kind of I think maybe one of

1144
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: us was standing in line for the bathroom and I

1145
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a big fan and you were like Billy,

1146
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, still big fans. And that

1147
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: was the first time. Well listen, um, obviously I'm a

1148
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: massive fan and I can't wait for the whole record

1149
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: to be out. And just of that, you Chase, I

1150
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: won't say new concepts, but interesting ways to take concepts

1151
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: used in other parts of the creative space and combine

1152
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: them and not just joy but snoop, but the way

1153
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: you will choose a cover. So it's you know, there's

1154
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: no reinvention of the wheel, but you know there are

1155
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: different spokes and everyone put it in that specific will

1156
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: that you're doing that and thanks, so you know, I

1157
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: really admire that. And I'm also jealous that you're really

1158
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: good at golf and you didn't start until your twenties.

1159
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean really good. It's a little it's a little

1160
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: bit generous, but you're you're you're probably good, no, not

1161
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: at all good. What's good? Do you have any cab? Yeah,

1162
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean around a fourteen he had to really be over.

1163
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: It's not it's like when you're you're like, it's pretty good.

1164
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: I was waiting on you being like, I'm like, no,

1165
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: I can on a good day. I can shoot at

1166
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: eight on a good day. So okay. So here you

1167
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: would say as encouragement, I was there probably five years ago, truly. Yeah,

1168
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: but here's the thing with me my body. I'll play

1169
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: really good for a week and then for some reason

1170
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: it just forgets. Yeah, but it's it's and I'll shank

1171
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: for a month. I feel like it's like that for me.

1172
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: It feels like for everybody it's just you're always like

1173
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: kind of like you're like this if if, if this

1174
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: is good. You're just like always up and down. But

1175
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: like the trend can be better. If you had told

1176
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: me five years ago that it's like, hey, you'll like

1177
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: shooting the seventies, A lot of it that's never gonna happen,

1178
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: that's never going and it's gonna have it's gonna the

1179
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: best training equipment. I bought it all. I So I

1180
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: you have the foresight, which is like the one that

1181
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: sits on the ground. Oh yeah, well you're cooler in

1182
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: every way. No, no, it is better. You said it

1183
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: all right there he has been Rector Ben Thank you,

1184
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: thank you. Good luck with the record when you come

1185
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: to Nashville. Hopefully I'll find a time my busy schedule

1186
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: to come right there.