1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: To be Around the NFL podcast likes dirty motel rooms. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: We welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hans is coming to you from 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: a city filled with heroes. Ten Bunkers, Mark Seessler, Greg Rosenthal. 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: What is up boys here? Now? Now? What is that 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: code for? What? Like? Wh which one of us actually 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: enjoys a dirty hotel room? Might I believe that's a 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: reference to your Airbnb addiction, But I guess you established, 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, rather clearly, or clearly enough, that it wasn't. 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: You weren't living in squalor in these um establishments during COVID. 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: You were, in fact finding a a fairly nice Airbnb home, 12 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: but the initial bit was that it was a motel. 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: Flies and flees and stains. Yeah, I mean, those feel 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: like the good old days right now. So Mark's favorite 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: airbnbs are the ones he gets for Simone and the 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: kids to leave without him. A job by Mark, the 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: most amazing things. That's not the man whose wife days. 18 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Your Your wife leaves for like like every during the 19 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: regular season, she leaves for like six weeks, don't I 20 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: mean it's you know, you know that's under advertised. It's 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: always Marks doing all this adventurous stuff. Please. Simone is 22 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: a wonderful woman and I you know we share a 23 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: bond being exactly the same age that will go on forever. 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: But you are so fortunate, Mark, as I've said to 25 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: you many times, both privately in publicly, you're a lucky 26 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: man to have her. That you were able to send 27 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: Simone and the two boys off last weekend for a 28 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: lakeside adventure while you have the house to yourself. This 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: is Mark that you have to understand. This is unprecedented, uh, 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: setups going on in your family that none of us 31 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: are privy to. And I just want to say, like, 32 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: good for you, man, Yeah, I mean good number one, Like, 33 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: apparently we are privy too. I've just notified you that 34 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: someone's wife leaves for six weeks a year. So it's like, 35 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's with the children and it's a wonderful 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: journey for them to to be part of another culture 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: for a while. I'm sure. But uh, you know, my 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: children were part of nature for a couple of days, 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 1: which is a very nice thing for them to experience. 40 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: That's nice to be by the way, I spent most 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: of the weekend with Ali Bon Pari writing like a 42 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, some endless piece for him. So you know 43 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't exactly our editor for features here at NFL Media. Hey. Um, 44 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: in other news, I'm looking right now down to my phone. 45 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: L A County extends its curfew for a fourth day, 46 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: this time from nine pm until five am. Protests are 47 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: continuing both in Los Angeles and the looting, which you 48 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: know is a terrible thing in its own right. That 49 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: is seems like it's has waned a little bit, which 50 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: is great. Hopefully that continues to trail off and the 51 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: message of the protests is what remains in the forefront. Ricky, Hollywood. 52 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: You you took to the streets yesterday, right, I did? Yeah, 53 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: I went out, um and marched, marched about three miles 54 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: yesterday in Hollywood. It was It was a pretty crazy sight. 55 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: It was really cool though. Um. There were police on 56 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: every corner. You know, they had thousands of zip ties 57 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: hanging off there there, you know belt but there were 58 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people in masks and gloves. There were 59 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: side you know bystanders that were handing out water bottles. 60 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: They had gatorade jugs filled with water, like fill up 61 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: your water bottles here. They had hand sanitizer. People were 62 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: yelling take care of each other. Um, so many different 63 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: races and walks of life and and different types of people. 64 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: And it was it was really it gave me goose bumps. 65 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: So it was a type of setting where it didn't 66 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: feel dangerous, didn't feel like there was chaos around you. 67 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: It was the type of peaceful protests that that we're 68 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: all hoping to see. Yeah, the curfew is sort of 69 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, put in place, you know, to make sure 70 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: that people are off the street. So as soon as 71 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: that like four o'clock bell hit there, you know, people 72 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: start to say they're starting to arrest their their cornering 73 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: people to arrest people. So got out of there, um 74 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: kind of quickly. But um, you know it was it 75 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: was good and peaceful when when I was there, for sure. 76 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, the NFL obviously America's most popular sport, 77 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: and it's a league populated by a black majority on 78 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: the field, and and we're hearing this week from so 79 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: many players, so many players across the league, but also 80 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: from coaches and owners in the aftermath of the George 81 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: Floyd tragedy and these protests that continue. Uh, so that 82 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: is going to be in part a large part of 83 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: what our show is about. Today. We're gonna talk about 84 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: what we're hearing, and um, that's not all We'll be doing. 85 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: Wells will be getting you caught up on the rest 86 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: of the news around the league, however meager it may be. Uh. 87 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: And also we continue our Wheel of Teams series with 88 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans and Paul Kohrskew's cover that team for years. 89 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: What Greg, have you been here in this week? What's 90 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: been resonating with you on the NFL front or otherwise? 91 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 1: So much to choose from, but I think I gotta 92 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: start with Drew brees comments today because they're the freshest 93 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: and they're getting, you know, the uh, most vociferous reaction 94 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: I think from players, from media, from from a lot 95 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: of people. Uh that he you know, he was on 96 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: a Yahoo Finance show and said, um, you know that 97 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: he he would not be supporting uh any teammates that 98 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: you know peacefully protested, Um, you know, police brutality by 99 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: taking a knee before before games. And it's just interesting 100 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: because look, he's been saying Drew Brees said this a lot. 101 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: He said it in he's saying it now. Um, but 102 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: I think the world has changed a little bit since then, 103 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: or or reactions have changed since then. And you can see, 104 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, Saints fans are are kind of having gallows 105 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: humor with it being just like, Okay, Jamis Winson's their 106 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: quarterback now, you know, and just every everyone you know 107 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: like like like it would take a lot for Drew 108 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: Brees to lose New Orleans. And I don't necessarily think 109 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen in the long run, but that but 110 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: that the anger Adam for these these comments are are real, 111 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: and he's already now talked to the ESPN reporter about 112 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: it and trying to trying to explain what he's talking about. 113 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: But it just I think it's fair. I think it's 114 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: fair to hear what Breeze had to say and and 115 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: give the context that he contexts he was set up 116 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: on by the person interviewing him. That it's expected are 117 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people now assume there will be more 118 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: kneeling and what what Breeze had to say exactly. Let's listening. Well, 119 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: I will I will never agree with anybody, um disrespecting 120 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: the flag of the United States of America or our country. 121 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: UM let me, let me just tell you what I 122 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: see or what I feel when the national anthem is played. 123 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: And when I looked at the flag of the United States, 124 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: I envisioned my two grandfathers who fought for this country 125 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: during World War Two, one in the Army and one 126 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: of the Marine Corps, both risking their lives to protect 127 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: our country and to try to make our country in 128 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: this world a better place. So every time I stand 129 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: with my hand over my heart looking at that flag 130 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: and singing the national anthem, that's what I think about. 131 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: He added that to him, the civil rights movement UH 132 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,119 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties, to him, that represents the flag 133 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: as well. And I just I guess the one thing 134 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: that listening to him speak on it, and Mark, I'm 135 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: curious your thoughts on this as well. Listening to him 136 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: speak on it, I think there is a line of 137 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: delineation that should be drawn. And I and the social 138 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: media the way it is, that doesn't always happen. There's 139 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: a there's a rush to judgment and to pull one 140 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: quote and say, Okay, he's he's on the wrong side 141 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: of history with this. And I'm not necessarily saying I 142 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: agree with Breeze, but I also think There's a difference 143 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: between what Breeze is saying there and some of the 144 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: rhetoric that was connected to with our own President Trump 145 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: UH and UM other people that said that Colin Kaepernick 146 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: using him as obviously the most prominent example of all this, UH, 147 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: that he was wrong and was Unamerican, unpatriotic. I don't 148 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: think that's a Breeze is saying. I think what he's 149 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: saying is he comes from a family where the flag 150 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: and patriotism is ingrained in him. UH, and when people 151 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: kneel in support of or in protest of injustice, social injustice, 152 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: and police brutality, he doesn't think it's the right forum. 153 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: But he also doesn't think it's an act of gross um, 154 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, traitorous or treasonous act. He said it was 155 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: disrespecting the flag, though, I mean he was pretty clear 156 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: on that, and I think Michael thomas response is is 157 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: um instructive, which is just we don't care if you agree. 158 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: And basically he's taking a time where I think a 159 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: lot of people are saying to just just listen to 160 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: what the people are saying. No one's saying you have 161 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: to do anything. No one saying that you um have 162 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: to have to kneel, but we're asking you to listen 163 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: to us what we're actually saying when we kneel, and 164 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: he's saying, you know, no, that's that's a disrespect of 165 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: the flag. And it's just it's just a moment where, 166 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, if you say those things, Drew Brees knows, 167 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: Drew Brews knows. I think on some level what the 168 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: reaction is going to be. He's smart enough to know that. 169 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: I think, you know, for me, you know, I think 170 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: we're all of the age where we had grandfathers who 171 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: fought UM in wars and we haven't had to do that, 172 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: and so I don't take that part of it lightly. 173 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: But UM, it's a disconnect because I think it's you know, 174 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: how many players at this point have eloquently, eloquently described 175 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: why UM, Colin Kaepernick and other players were kneeling UM 176 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: and separating it from this UM. Really there's a whole 177 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: separate movement of like, don't disrespect the flag. That's I 178 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: just don't see that that is at all what the 179 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: heart of the matter is with Colin Kaepernick. It's it's 180 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: much closer to what people are protesting about UM right now, 181 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: UM and injustices that have you know, raged on in 182 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: this country, UM, up to four hundred plus years. So 183 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: I I think it's it's UM. I have no problem 184 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: with Drew reas Uh taking some heat for this because 185 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: I just think he's missing he's missing that side of it, 186 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: or he didn't to your point in if we don't, 187 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: if we don't have the full wide view of what 188 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: he had to say about this, UM, I don't think 189 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: he seems to have connected with UM at this point, 190 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: something that should be very clear to every player and 191 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: most fans. And there you know, even on our last 192 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: show when we brought up Colin Kaepernick, I mean, I'm 193 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: getting tweets from people saying, you guys are clowns. You 194 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about, and it's we're a 195 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: very divided country to me. And it's similar to the 196 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: Vic von the Vic Fangio comments, UM, which when I 197 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: first I saw them literally as he you know, I 198 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: saw them being tweeted out as he was saying them, 199 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: and and you just knew it was gonna get some pushback, 200 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: UM from players. And in those comments, do we have 201 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: those queued up? Either way? They were they were about 202 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: those but basically he you know, he doesn't. Let's hear 203 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: problems in the NFL along those lines. Our minimal. Um. 204 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: We're a league of meritocracy. You earn what you get, 205 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: you get what you learned. UM, I don't see um 206 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: racism at all in the NFL. I don't see discrimination 207 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL. You know, we live in a great atmosphere. 208 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: Like I alluded to earlier, we're lucky. We we all 209 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: live together, joined as one for one common goal, and 210 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: we all intermingle and mixed tremendously. You know, if society 211 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: reflected an NFL team, we'd all be great. And I 212 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: think there's a lot we would probably agree with. Uh, 213 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: there's some that we would agree with in that. But 214 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: I think it is a time when you're when you're 215 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: talking like this, that you're you have to be aware 216 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: of the larger picture. And I think people are learning 217 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: on the fly, and they're learning in on the fly 218 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: with with microphones in their faces. But it doesn't surprise 219 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: me that a number of players immediately UM started tweeting 220 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: about a how the league's you know, treated Kaepernick, be 221 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: like putting out you know, okay, Pete Carroll's got four 222 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: different carols on his staff is that is that a 223 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: mirror meritocracy. Colin kaeperni is not in league. And then 224 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: more than anything, the league, you know, literally is admitting 225 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: they have a massive problem at almost every level of 226 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: the league that they're trying to correct, um, you know, 227 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: with hiring practices. So so when when you say, when 228 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: he says that, I don't think he has any malice 229 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: to it. And he probably has his own experience of 230 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: how he came up through the system, but that doesn't 231 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: really excuse you from seeing like the larger picture and 232 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: it and it's it's probably a risk and a concern 233 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: because you're gonna have players that are gonna hear that, 234 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: or you're gonna have teammates and Drew Brees that are 235 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: gonna hear what he says and they're gonna be turned 236 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: off from that. And then and then yeah, like you said, 237 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: hopefully they have a dialogue and they figure it out. 238 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: He has. Yeah, that's that's the exactly the type of thing. 239 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: He needs to address that with the team in and 240 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: explain where he was coming from, because he does. He 241 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: definitely it comes off as a guy as a coaching 242 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: life who took a long time to get a head 243 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: coaching job. I think he's looking at it from through 244 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: that lens in terms of meritocracy, earning the gig. But 245 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: he's talking from a position as a head coach where 246 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: there's four coaches of color head coaches of color at 247 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: a thirty two. So that is just not gonna go 248 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: over well. UM, maybe it's different and UM on the 249 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: side of the roster when it's making uh strides to 250 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: find a roster spot. But it just it doesn't. It doesn't. 251 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: That's not such a great sound bite when you look 252 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: at the makeup of the league. Can I throw one 253 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: out where I thought someone um made ground in a 254 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: positive way? Yeah. I pointed to Bill O'Brien, who, um, 255 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: you know on this show for Football Matters, Uh takes 256 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: a lot of arrows from UM members of this podcast. 257 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: And you know, I think rightly so. But but Bill 258 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: O'Brien the man, and I think that UM, you know, 259 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: I think this was this was definitely made very lucid 260 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: and clear during hard knocks. UM. I think his heart 261 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: came through in his in his comments. And I would 262 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: just say go read it for yourself, because there's a 263 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: there's an interview he did. He has some he has 264 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: some other quotes out there as well. I think this 265 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: is the counter of wanting to understand UM, acknowledging that 266 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: you have shortcomings, and understanding what some of your players 267 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: deal with as men, UM, what their families deal with, 268 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: what their children deal with. But Bill O'Brien, UM, to me, Uh, 269 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: I just thought, that's that's that's the best, the most 270 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: heartfelt approach you can take is you want to listen 271 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: and learn UM and find a way to take action 272 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: versus UM where you can. And I think a head 273 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: coach has an incredible UM platform to take action and 274 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: he seems UM, you know, wedded to that task. I 275 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: would say also UM, and it is not the same issue. 276 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: But Bill O'Brien has a special needs child and UM 277 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: in a different way. And we have some of that 278 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: UM in our house too. When you raise a special 279 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: needs child, you UH understand someone who is starting from 280 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: a different place than others UM, who in this case 281 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: probably looked just like them. So it's a different issue. 282 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: But you have to foster and care for that person's 283 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: journey and set expectations and UM use a lot of love. 284 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: And Bill O'Brien, if you if you go back to 285 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: that Hard Knocks series. I mean I saw him as 286 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: a completely different human being when you went into his 287 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: house and saw what his family looked like and what 288 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: the challenges were there as parents, And so I just 289 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: think naturally, um, you know, for all the for all 290 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: the questionable trades and all the other stuff that Bill 291 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: O'Brien might do inside the team building, UM is a 292 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: good man. I think he's someone who's trying. I don't 293 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: know what else you can ask of these coaches right 294 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: now than to try and to find a way to 295 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: take action. And he and he got like a really 296 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: strong response immediately from from his players and including Michael Thomas, 297 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: not not the Michael Thomas you know from New Orleans, 298 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: but one who's kind of been around the league but 299 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: has been a very vocal um voice on police brutality 300 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: over the years. And he said he appreciate and I've 301 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: seen that in a few spots like Sean McVeigh um 302 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: talked about how you know, they took Monday off and 303 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: then they spoke to the team and but mostly listened 304 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: and it was, you know, a hundred people on a 305 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: zoom class and he says it was extremely emotional, and 306 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: the and the players response from that was was really 307 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: positive that they feel like they're being heard. And I 308 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: think that's that's all any you know, that's all the 309 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: place you know, you you think you're looking for as 310 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: an organization to move forward. It's such a unique time 311 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: in it and it's dumb, and it's added unique, you know, 312 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: because they're all in their houses, they're all on zoom 313 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: classes like we are in separate right now. So it's 314 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: just it's it's disorienting. But I think the coaches that 315 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: that have kind of need to handle it well, like 316 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: like any organization needs to handle it well right now 317 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL is no different. That's Steve Weisse. She 318 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: was on our show Monday. He made a comment along 319 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: the lines of, if the coaches don't address this stuff 320 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: and communicate with the players, they're gonna lose the team. 321 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what it's smart, good communicator and a 322 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: good head coach like Sean McVeigh is doing. Uh. Pete 323 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: Carroll is another guy who uh. He was on a podcast, 324 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: The Ringer is Flying Coach podcast with Steve Kerr and 325 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 1: Gregg Popovich and Colin Kaepernick, who obviously is a towering 326 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: figure in this conversation. Um, Carol, I thought said some 327 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: really good things about Kaepernick and and where he all 328 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: fits in on this. Let's let's listen to Pete Carroll. Well, 329 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: I think that there was a moment in time that 330 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: that a young man captured and he took a stand 331 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: on something, you know, figuratively took the knee, but he 332 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: stood up for for something he believed in. And uh 333 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: what a what an extraordinary moment it was that he 334 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 1: he was willing to take it. What happened from the 335 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 1: processes it is, it elevated an awareness from people that 336 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: just took everything away from what the statement was all about, 337 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: and it just got tugged and pulled and and and 338 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: ripped apart. And the whole mission of what with the 339 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: statement was that was such a beautiful It's still the 340 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: statement we're making right today is that that we're not 341 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: we're not protecting our people, we're not looking after one another, 342 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: we're not making the right choices, we're not following the 343 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: right process to bring people to justice when when actions 344 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: are taken, you know, and uh so I think it 345 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: was a big sacrifice in the sense that you know 346 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: that that a young man makes. But that's those are 347 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: the courageous moments that some guys taken and you know, 348 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: we all were tremendous amount to him. You can't listen 349 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: to Carol and not at least think about like how 350 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: closely tied they were to Kaepernick and it and it's 351 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: and it is. It's a tricky spot for the entire NFL. 352 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: I think back to uh to Tuesday because Eric read, 353 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: you know, they were doing the blackout tweets, some of 354 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: the teams did that where they you know, they hosted 355 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: the black Square and we don't need to get into 356 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: all that, but Eric read, you know, retweeted that the 357 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: old forty nine er teammate of Colin Kaepernick um and 358 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: just said, like, it's blackball Tuesday, it's not blackout Tuesday. 359 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: And listening to Carol, it's hard not to think about 360 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: how close he said they were to signing Kaepernick a 361 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: few different times and it didn't happen, and they're still, 362 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, employing my guy Gino Smith. And we don't 363 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: need to get into all the all the reasons for 364 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: that or whatever. But I think there's a lot of 365 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: a big segment that's gonna listen to someone like Pete 366 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: Carroll and said we'll sign him. Then you know, like 367 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: then then like that's fair when you can make this fair? 368 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: Are all kidding about Geno smith aside? I mean, is 369 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: there what's the upgrade there? What's the player wise? Is 370 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: Colin cab I guess here's the thing we talked about 371 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: that with Steve. Also, this is gonna be the third 372 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: full season ka Kaepernick has been out of the league, 373 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: so there's another element with him now. It used to 374 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: be just like is he better than all the backups 375 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: and some of the starters? Now enough, there's been enough 376 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: distance where he's been out of the league long enough 377 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: and that I mean, that's another thing working against about 378 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: four years. And you know John Riggins was out like 379 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: four years and came back at thirty five. So that 380 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: it is. It is a factor for sure, But I 381 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: think at least for now, he's young enough not help 382 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: his cause. That's what it says, not it does not 383 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: help his cause. All right, boys, let us spin into 384 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: other NFL news kind of news as we call it. Uh. 385 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: Let's start with Roger Goodell announcing that there will be 386 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: no traveling for training camps or joint practices, So all 387 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: camps are going to be held at their at the 388 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: respective team facilities and joint practices, which are the Ravens 389 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know the Browns get together for a 390 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: day or two of practices. That kind of stuff is 391 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: not gonna happen this year. That's become more and more 392 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: popular in recent years, so that will be different. So uh, 393 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: they are still greg kind of have an eye on 394 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: training camp going on as schedule, but it will be 395 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: different than past years. Yeah, it'll be It'll be really 396 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: different for teams like the Steelers who have been going 397 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: to the same college I think for over forty years, 398 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: fifty years, so something like since the sixties. So uh, 399 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: a lot of teams already practice at home. That's not 400 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: gonna be a big difference, but the non joint practices 401 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: shows it's gonna be different. And and sort of as 402 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: part of this, I just want to throw out that 403 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: Sean McDermott today, uh Wednesday, said, you know, kind of 404 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: wondered about whether the preseason's gonna really happen and and 405 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: just and and let let it be public that there's 406 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: been conversations about that, like whether that's gonna be justin 407 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: because if you think about it, like there hasn't been 408 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: any players on the field all off season. Now we're 409 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: showing up, you know, for a different sort of training camp, 410 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: and are they Are they gonna feel like the players 411 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: are ready to play a game within two weeks of 412 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: of showing up like that. It's it's just something to 413 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: keep an eye on. There's nothing to official, but it 414 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. It just as logical that the preseason 415 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: might get knocked down. They were trying to knock it 416 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: down anyway, so it kind of makes sense. I wonder 417 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: if it paves the way, like how you're seeing now 418 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: with certain businesses. Facebook a notable example, after they saw that, oh, 419 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: our operation can still work and and thrive, uh, business 420 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: as usual with everyone working from home. If it takes 421 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: an event like this, a life event, to show well, 422 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: not only we not need four preseason games, we don't 423 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: need three, or maybe even two or maybe even one. 424 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 1: Maybe this is something that is a catalyst for change 425 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: in a more extreme fashion. We'll have to see. And 426 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 1: since we're talking about the schedule and everything, I just 427 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: I saw that the NBA is kind of come together 428 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: on a proposal for resuming their season, and under the proposal, 429 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, their championship series would be in October, 430 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: which is just wild. It's customarily in June, of course, 431 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,479 Speaker 1: which would put the NBA Playoffs in the NFL regular 432 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: season head to head for the first time ever. So 433 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: you want to talk about something that's different than the 434 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: past years, that is very different. Mhm, tign me up. 435 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: Then what you start the next NBA season like twelve 436 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: days later in November. Yeah, that's what I was one 437 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: of the same thing. I don't know how that how 438 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: that all works, but I think I think that they're 439 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: gonna adjust. Yeah, they're obviously adjusting that too, that they 440 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: or they find out Wait a minute, we can steal 441 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: ratings away from the NFL. And and you talk about dan, 442 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, workplace shifting. The season begins in August every year. Well, 443 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: I played up against the Super Bowl in the playoff tytoons. 444 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: There's been a push, I think, or a thought in 445 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: the NBA that they could own the summer more in 446 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: and end more in August, not to go up directly 447 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: with the end with the NFL, but kind of wrap 448 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: up as as the preseasons on. And this might be 449 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: a way to do that that they just pushed back 450 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: the NBA season a couple of months. It makes a 451 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: lot of sense, like less against football the better you 452 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: start in December January, and then you know, makes sense. 453 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: Everybody knows, unless you're a my heart NBA fan. Most 454 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: NBA fans kind of view the Christmas latest game of 455 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: games as the time where you start to plug in 456 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: on the NBA. So that would make a lot of sense. 457 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: The NBA season starts Christmas Day with three premier games 458 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: and then you start rolling. But hell, you know, who 459 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: the hell are we to judge what's going on over 460 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: in the n b A. In other news, uh Ian 461 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: Rappaport has Uh has reported or saying that the salary 462 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: cap in the NFL could go down in This is 463 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: all tied, of course, to the um COVID nineteen and 464 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: the idea that there may not be a season. If 465 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: there is a season and might not be any gate 466 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: and no fans in the in the stands, there's a 467 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: very good chance of that happening, and as a result 468 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: of that, spending would be less than the cap would 469 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: go down for the first time in a long time. 470 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: Adam Schefter over at ESPN had uh floated this a 471 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: couple of weeks back as well, So that also and 472 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: think that you gotta keep that in mind, Greg, with 473 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: things like Patrick Mahomes contract, Jamal Adams contract, these teams 474 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: have to be wary that they can't just assume the 475 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: cap is gonna be two d million dollars next year 476 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: because it might be far south. I think it's at 477 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: one nineties six right now. And it's it's a huge 478 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: flip of what was conventional wisdom, which is that these 479 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: TV deals are coming up and that the cap is 480 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: going to explode. And I think kind of owners probably 481 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: expect that in the long run, but you're right there 482 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: in terms of the next year or two, we'll see 483 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: these TV deals being up. I mean it's a you know, 484 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: it's a different world and trying to predict financially how 485 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, like even the NFL can take a hit. Yeah, 486 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: I mean, the most real thing is money to these leagues, 487 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: all these leagues and you know, all the stuffs and 488 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: flux and I and I realized that there's, um, you know, 489 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: the the joke of the week is coronavirus is over 490 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: and advantished away, but um, you know, we don't know 491 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: that either. And I know all of this is just speculation. Uh. 492 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: The one thing we do know always that it's very 493 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: likely that even if Corona has suddenly vanished into the ether, 494 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: that would be magical. Um, that hands of his fans' 495 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: is not not going to be happening probably two months 496 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: from now. It would probably be scattered fans or or 497 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: a certain amount later in the year. But um, the 498 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: hit financially will be real. It's sneaking up and Camp 499 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: is like seven or eight weeks away. It's really not far. 500 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: It's not that far. I feel it. I feel like 501 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: and in a normal world, this would be the time 502 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: we're nice and loose, getting ready to go on our 503 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: vacations and get some time away. Not for you, sir, 504 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: Not for you. I'm gonna read this directly from I 505 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: suppose he's a pro wrestling writer for ESPN dot Com 506 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: Tim Fioravante. After after his fifty eight days of holding gold, 507 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: ron Rob Gronkowski's championship reign in the w w E 508 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: has officially come to an end. W w E air 509 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: de vignette Monday that showed Bronkowski walking into his back 510 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: yard in Foxborough, Massachusetts. Our truth, that's our hyphen truth. 511 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: Who has been the most prolific holder of the w 512 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: w E seven titles since its inception in May, won 513 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: the belt for the how many times mark twelve thirty 514 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: sixth time by disguising himself as a landscaper and blindsiding 515 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: Gronk for the pin And uh, if everyone's confused right 516 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: now and you're you're thinking about what how how could 517 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: that be? How could that be? The primary attraction of 518 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: the w w E seven Championship is that it is 519 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: to be defended anywhere, at any time, without warning. Gronk 520 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: won the title at WrestleMania thirty six in April. Please, 521 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's anywhere. It's a disgrace to the legitimacy 522 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: of this award, that of the belt that it can 523 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: just be taken away. When I was a kid, you know, 524 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: these belts meant something, and this this is really it's 525 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: really sad. Where have you gone? Tito Santana with the 526 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: Intercontinental eut strapped around your waist? I'm with you, guys. 527 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: So if you don't have TikTok, it's over. You don't 528 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: even know about ground, you know, if you're well, they 529 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: aired it, it it looks like okay, they're telecasts. Ricky, you're 530 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: on TikTok, aren't you? Did you see this? I am um. 531 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: I didn't see that one specifically, but yeah, I am. 532 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: I am on belts. Yeah, I see ron killings when 533 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: any of us thirty five other belts. Yeah, you lost 534 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: me at wrestling, Like I don't care. I mean, the 535 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: the hits against Ricky continue to pile up, you know, 536 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: sitting here like listening to you guys like I'm being nice, 537 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm not live tweeting dumb thoughts. And now you lose 538 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: your title. Uh, And I'm with you, guys, the w 539 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: W I f H Championship belt, the Intercontinental title, and 540 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: that's it. Yes, that's it. Yep, let's calm down, yep, 541 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: that's what's happen. And Gronk, by the way, you know, 542 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: there's all this talk of like Gronk is gonna be 543 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: a big star afterwards, like what a wacky personality. Really, 544 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think people are gonna get tired 545 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: of Gronks acting or doing just about anything pretty quickly. 546 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: It's like one of those things I say that on 547 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: this podcast two years ago. Probably probably well, you were right. 548 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: The public finds Peyton Manning funny. So he was like 549 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: a nine part doc about Gronk. It's like what he's uh, 550 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, he's like, it's like a plain bowl of cereal. 551 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: Please when he was on your favorite team, I just 552 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: gonna the greatest tight end of all time. But you 553 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: don't need to, you know, keep he's not gonna like 554 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: take over Hollywood. You were right about that, dude. That's 555 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. I've ever seen this m 556 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: touchdown Patriots looks for the home run ball holds it 557 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: in town, Titans Yards Triggery coryas Down, Tennessee. The Tennessee 558 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: Titans are the next team up in the Wheel of 559 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: teams on the Round the NFL Podcast. The Titans nine 560 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: and seven last year, second in an f C South, 561 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: but then one two playoff games, including knocking off the 562 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: Patriots in Foxborough and shocking the Ravens on the road. 563 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Their season ended in the a f C title game 564 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: against the Chiefs, but even that was looking very good 565 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: for a bit, and now the Titans are back looking 566 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: to take that next step. And to join us on 567 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,719 Speaker 1: this conversation is Paul Kaharsky, who has been covering this 568 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: team uh down in Nashville for a long time, and 569 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: you could check out his writings at Paul Kaharsky dot 570 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: com and he talks on Midday one eight down there. Paul, 571 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. Thanks for having me, gentlemen. 572 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,719 Speaker 1: How are we doing good? We're good, We're good, uh, Paul. So, 573 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: this is an interesting situation right now because the Titans, 574 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: they had this great run in the playoffs, they've decided 575 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: to essentially bring back the core of the team. This 576 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: is not a team that's had a huge amount of turnover. 577 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: They get Derrick Henry on the franchise tag, they have 578 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: uh Ryan Tannehill in the fold. But how how many 579 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: times have we seen in the team that thinks they're 580 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: one step away keeping it all together and then it 581 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: doesn't work out. It Was there any concern to you 582 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: in terms of team building this offseason that they maybe 583 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: were a little overconfident with last year's team, or do 584 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: you think this is the right path to take basically 585 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: taking another crack at it with this or yeah, I 586 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: don't know what the other course was. I mean, to me, 587 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: the other course was it was Tom Brady probably, um, 588 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: and you know, it seems not to be a long 589 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: term course if you're gonna take a run with Tom 590 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: Brady obviously, Mike Rabel very close friends with him. John 591 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: Robinson the GM also with Patriot ties, uh and and 592 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: knows him. But it seems like Tannehill, with what he 593 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: did which was really, uh incredible, I would expect he 594 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: regresses somewhat, but he was the right guy for this team, 595 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: and I think he earned himself a contract. Um. You know, 596 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: it's a run based, uh defense based football team in 597 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Um. And I think Vrabel has 598 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: proved himself to be a pretty good coach so far. 599 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: Players are developing under him and his coaching staff. Um 600 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: A vision is not great, and UM, I think they've 601 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: got stuff to build on. And rather than look at 602 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: the Chiefs as the main obstacle and say what Denver 603 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: and Oakland are saying, Hey, we're going to try to 604 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: match them on offense, the Titan said, hey, we got 605 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: to that a f C championship game against them. We 606 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: were in it for a while. We're going to continue 607 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: to try to build what we are and see if 608 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: we can't hang with them and ultimately beat them like 609 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: we did in a regular season. Um, as we are 610 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,919 Speaker 1: with a with a ball control offense and by being 611 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: better at defense trying to stop them with a different 612 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: identity instead of trying to keep up with them with 613 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: their identity. Well, one follow up to that, I mean, 614 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: you look at Tannehill last year, and if you wanted 615 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: to be a nitpicker, you could say, looking at his 616 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: career from a broader sense, it was a bit of 617 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: an adoration in terms of, you know, his metro, a 618 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: lot of his stats. Um, do they think in house, 619 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: the way their offense is set up, that they're gonna 620 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: get um Ryan Tannehill doing the same thing two years 621 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: in a row. And I guess as maybe that UM 622 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: Jaguars beach Lady once said, you know, take it to 623 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: the limit, just as they did a year ago. Well, 624 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna come out and publicly say, listen, 625 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: we're not going to get uh nine point six yards 626 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: per tempt and a completion percentage over UM. The He 627 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: was only the third guy in history to to top 628 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: those numbers, with Sammy BA and UH and uh Montana 629 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: I think the only guy really ever to have numbers 630 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: that high in those two categories. But even if you 631 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: regressed a little bit and both of those those are 632 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: still some some very very good numbers on a team 633 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: that's based on the play action, based on Derrick Henry 634 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: with an ascending a J Brown UM with an ascending 635 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: John Who Smith UM. So I think, you know, do 636 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: they look at that and say, this is the most 637 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,439 Speaker 1: stability that we've had at quarterback in a long time, 638 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: as he surrounded by the best cast of characters that 639 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: he's been surrounded by UM in his career. If we 640 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: can keep him healthy with this offensive line, which was 641 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: also on the upswing at the end of the year, 642 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: I think it's it's not unreasonable for them to expect, 643 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: uh it to be as good. I'd have the question 644 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more about Derrick Henry just because 645 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: he had three eighty six carries UM and we know 646 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: how guys after three eighty six carries tend to do 647 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: the year after UM and and so I think that's 648 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: part of why UH Darrenson Evans is the third round 649 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: draft pick. He's a change of pace. Dion Lewis was 650 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: a big disappointment, particularly at his price tag, and they 651 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: need to get more out of Um the different running back, 652 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: the third down running back. They need to get more 653 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: out of the running back in the passing game, uh, 654 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: than they were out of Dion Lewis. And to me, 655 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: that's the one new dynamic they're getting um next year 656 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: this this coming season offensively as compared to what they 657 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: got last year. Yeah, you mentioned rabel being you know, 658 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: you think he's been a pretty good coach, and I agree, 659 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: And I think John Robinson has been a pretty good 660 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: general manager if you really look at the picks he's 661 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: made since he's arrived. He's got a vision. It's like 662 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: they are the we look great coming off the bus team, 663 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, like all of our guys are bigger than 664 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: the prototypes at their position and it and it's worked. 665 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: Henry kind of symbolizes that in a way, even though 666 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: you know he's been there for four years. Do you 667 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: think this is Henry's last year? Though? I think it's 668 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: gonna be one of the big decisions of the of 669 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: Robinson rabel era, and I know it's gonna depend on, 670 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: you know, what he does somewhat this year. But let's 671 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: say he takes he takes a little step back, but 672 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: he's still solid. You do you think they put the 673 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: tag on him kind of with the idea of the 674 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: Cowboys back in the day with demark O Murray, like, 675 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: let's get our use out of him and let's not 676 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: give him that Todd Gurley contract that the Rams got 677 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: stuck in. I could see them tagging him again next year. 678 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: Uh and and milking it out that way. I could 679 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: see a three year deal if you take it, where 680 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: where he gets the insurance of getting the money up front, 681 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: so he's not completely undone by by an injury. Um. 682 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: Where you know, it would really be built on on 683 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: the two franchise tags. Um. But yeah, I'm hard pressed 684 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: to see them because they're intelligent football people. Um. No 685 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: matter how central he's been to the effort and maybe 686 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: to the effort going forward, getting caught up in one 687 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: of these long term contracts, second contracts for a running back, 688 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 1: particularly greg one that that, um, he's not a third 689 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: down guy. He's not every down guy. He's so he's 690 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: notably a two thirds contract running back. He's made some 691 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: plays catching passes, but he's not a natural pass catcher. 692 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's been a surprise screen where even the 693 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: catch doesn't look good, but then he finds space and 694 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: he can he can take off and run away from people. 695 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: He's just not a natural pass catcher. And to me, 696 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: if if you are going to spend money on a 697 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: running back, he better be a three down guy who 698 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: can really do some things in the past game. And 699 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: I can understand a Christian McCaffrey whose contract, by the way, 700 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 1: isn't as good as it looked on on initial reporting. Right, um, 701 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry has taken on a leadership mantle. He's a 702 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: hell of a player, but there are limitations there, and 703 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: history says a lot. And I don't think he can 704 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: go against the grain on that. I really don't. And 705 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: you you can understand why Derrick Henry is unhappy. You know, 706 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: sure a lot of these guys, the top level guys, 707 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: they don't want to get tagged for obvious reasons. But 708 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: he hasn't expressed any unhappiness. By the way he signed it, 709 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna be there. Any unhappiness has been behind the scenes. 710 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,439 Speaker 1: He said, I'm coming. He signed it pretty quickly. Maybe 711 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: he maybe he just understands the way this operates and 712 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: in his position, because he's damned if you do, Dandy 713 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: Vid don't if he has another like monster two thousand 714 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: yard total season and he touches the ball four hundred times, 715 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: and he wins a rushing title that will be used 716 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: against him because he'll be more quote unquote wearing the 717 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: tires if he has a bad season, like, oh, he's 718 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: already wearing down. He gets like he gets done in 719 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: there too. So it's like, where where is the the 720 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: happy medium that leads to him get him the deal 721 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: that he wants. I don't know if it exists. He 722 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: doesn't have the tread from the earlier years you mentioned 723 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: de Marco Murray. He was a backup to DeMarco Murray 724 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: from for his first season, for much of his second season, 725 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: then La Fleur was determined to give the ball to 726 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: Dan Lewis for much of his third season. He only 727 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 1: took off really the last quarter of his third season 728 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: and last year. So he had huge usage last year, 729 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: but before that he was not getting used up. So 730 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: if you look at his usage to this point, it's 731 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: not like a lot of those backs we're talking about. 732 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: But still we're talking second contract running back and we 733 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: know how those go. You know, like I think about 734 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: a year ago, as someone said who is Arthur Smith, 735 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: I would have thought maybe he's a house painter. Um 736 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: a gas station attendant. I don't know just to theex 737 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: fortune sure, exactly right, but it's uh, you know, I 738 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: look at that offense and what how much how much 739 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: of his fingerprints are on that versus you know, we 740 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: just we we have a team identity, and you're just 741 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: sort of gonna, you know, help finesse that team identity. 742 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: I mean, is he um? I just I'd like to 743 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: know more about who he is, what kind of coach 744 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: he is, how innovative you see him to be? Yeah, 745 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: I mean I think he deserves a lot more credit than, 746 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: uh than simply plugging in, because he got a lot 747 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: more out of it than than Matt Lafleur, who's you know, 748 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: the genius who got the green big job at the 749 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: point after one year he and I mean I like 750 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur a great deal, but Art Smith came in 751 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: his only new, uh new piece really was a j 752 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: Brown who was above and beyond any reasonable expectation. And 753 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: the Titans have gone something like twenty nine drafted receivers 754 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: getting really limited returns. It was really funny because last year, 755 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: leading into the Patriots games, one of the writers up 756 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: there wrote, you know, why can't the Patriots develop a 757 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: receiver like the Titans have developed a J. Brown and 758 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: and for the entire existence of the Titans in Tennessee, 759 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,280 Speaker 1: their failure to develop a wide receiver has been an issue. 760 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: They finally developed one, and the Patriots are being writing 761 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: why can't they do it like like they do it 762 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,919 Speaker 1: in Tennessee? And here it's because Nikil Harry in many 763 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: ways is kind of a similar profile and thought that 764 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: the Pats might take a J. Brown and that one 765 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: could haunt them for a long time. But you're right, 766 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: Corey Davis is the top five pick. He's entering his 767 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: fourth year and didn't get his And and that's a 768 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: one point on on uh On Robinson, who you complimented, 769 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: who has been very good, but he's got two first 770 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: rounders in Conklin, who we didn't exercise the fifth round, 771 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: fifth year option and didn't deserve it, and Corey Davis, 772 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: who he didn't exercise the fifth round option and he 773 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: didn't deserve it. So it hasn't He's gotten better Robinson, 774 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: but those two early ones haven't really panned out as 775 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: they should have. And on Arthur Smith, I think he's 776 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: pretty damn creative. I mean, he struggled early, but he 777 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: was missing his left tackle and Taylor Lawan. He was 778 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,399 Speaker 1: keeping in somebody like Adam Humphrey to help out there. 779 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 1: It was all a mess. Mariota was not delivering, and 780 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,439 Speaker 1: once Tannehill came in, they really found some stuff. And 781 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: the Titans I've always you know, I've covered them since 782 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: the beginning, since Houston. Every time you thought it was 783 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: gonna be an offensive football team, it always reverted back 784 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: to a defensive football team. And here was a team 785 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: that was scoring thirty damn points a week. And uh, 786 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,280 Speaker 1: you know something I've been waiting for forever, and Arthur 787 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 1: Smith was the architect of that, and he deserved all 788 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: the credit. We're gonna talk to him here in uh 789 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: in twenty five minutes for the first time this offseason 790 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: about what's next. Nice job, Mark setting up with the question. 791 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: It all connected there, Mark Sessler. Ladies and gentlemen, and 792 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,720 Speaker 1: damn good too. Doesn't even better. But you mentioned Jack Conklin, 793 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: and that's that's kind of the one other thought thinking 794 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: about this offense. Derrick Henry obviously so incredibly important to it. 795 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: Some people point to Conklin leaves he was blown the 796 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,879 Speaker 1: holes open Isaiah Williams. Isaiah Wilson comes in as the 797 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: first round pick. Is that going to be a potential 798 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: big issue for this team with Cocklin out the door? 799 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,879 Speaker 1: With the way you describe content makes me think maybe 800 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: not well, I don't think in the run game. I mean, 801 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,240 Speaker 1: Dennis Kelly could start the first couple of games because 802 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: of all this missed time and how long it takes 803 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: to get the offensive line cohesive and all of that. 804 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: But Wilson has a run blocker. I don't think is 805 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: is a big concern. He'll he'll mall people, uh, you know, 806 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: maybe he's gonna miss occasionally as he grows into it. 807 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 1: Past past protection I think would be a bigger concern there. 808 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: And I think they'll help him out. But quite frankly, 809 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: they helped Conklin out even in his all pro rookie season, 810 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: um with tight ends and and the like. In Darrenton Evans, 811 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: who I mentioned, the one thing Dian Lewis did do 812 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: well was pass protect and so we'll have to see 813 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: how Evans does at that job. But I think, um, 814 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,240 Speaker 1: it's a similar, similar replacement, maybe potentially with more upside 815 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: uh than Conklin, who I think, you know, it's going 816 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: to be one of those guys like he's a he's 817 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,839 Speaker 1: a good player, but he goes to Cleveland on that 818 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: contract and they expect the second coming. You're killing Mark here. 819 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: He's a Browns fan, and when he misses a block there, 820 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna say, how could this guy that we paid 821 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 1: all this money not make every single block? I thought 822 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: he was supposed to be the next greatest rect tackle 823 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: in history, and and the whole context changes for him. 824 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: It's the Nate Soldier corollary. You knows extreme you don't 825 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 1: get older than the Browns are in in Deep, in 826 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: Deep show. This was a very typical Titans conversation. By 827 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: the way, we haven't mentioned the defense ones. The defense 828 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: is always just like, okay, the Titans have a defense, 829 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: and it should be I mean, I think Jeffrey Simons, uh, 830 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, was brought into replace Darrell Casey. They got 831 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,400 Speaker 1: out of a lot of money. Darrell Casey nine great 832 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 1: years but starting to fade a touch. You would have 833 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: wanted them to get more than the seventh rounder, but 834 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: they got out of under eleven million dollars. Second, everybody 835 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: automatically thinks that money's Jadavian clowneyes and maybe ultimately it 836 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: will be actually pursued clown I do, uh, but he's 837 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,760 Speaker 1: gonna have to come down in price and the physical 838 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: is gonna have to be you know, good. So those 839 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,360 Speaker 1: two concerns, I think we're operating entirely on Clowney's timetable, 840 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: not on the fans timetable, and not maybe on I 841 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 1: don't think the team really cares about a guy missing 842 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: zoom meetings at this stage, not to the degree fans 843 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: do anyway. Um, but I think Jeffrey Simmons will be 844 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: good in there. I think the Titans have a pair 845 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: of good inside linebackers. They've got this this quilt of 846 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,439 Speaker 1: pass rushers instead of one guy who's gonna go get 847 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,799 Speaker 1: you ten and they just can't find that guy. So 848 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 1: maybe Vic Beasley's uh resurrected by vrabel who's who's a 849 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: good hands on coach, and it's a prove it year. Uh. 850 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: If he proves it, that'll that'll be something. If he doesn't, 851 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: their patch working it again. Secondary is good. Logan Ryan 852 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: was a very good player here, but Mike vrabel Is 853 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 1: said that slot position is running vertical routes now, and 854 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 1: Logan Ryan was very much a horizontal guy and they 855 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: need to be more vertical, and that Dorry Jackson will 856 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: be in there, some Christian Fulton will be in there, 857 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: some Kevin Byard and Kenny Karo underrated duo, a good secondary. 858 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: It's very similar to the Patriots, where it's like a 859 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 1: good secondary. It's smart and you're not really sure where 860 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: the one on one pass rushers are because I'm because 861 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: nine million dollars for Vic Beasley could look like a 862 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 1: disaster because he's done very little most years. Yeah, they're 863 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: counting on that one year where he had a big 864 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: year that they could get that out of him. Um 865 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: and listen, ever, you know, I want them to find 866 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: the next Givon Curse, the next Kyle Vandenbosch. But where 867 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: do you find those guys? You know, one was a 868 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: scrap heat guy that was a miraculous recovery. And I 869 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 1: wrote the day when I was working at the Tennessee 870 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,799 Speaker 1: and that they drafted Jimon Curse. I remember my lead 871 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 1: that day was there's one guy in this draft that 872 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 1: could solve the Titans problem. Too bad, Jevon Curse isn't 873 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: gonna be there at number sixteen. And so you know, 874 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: they looked into both of those guys. Well, how often 875 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,760 Speaker 1: if you look into a premier pass rushing. You mentioned 876 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: the Tennessee and Will will sign off with this, Paul, 877 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining back in January. The Tennessee, 878 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: in which I understand, has undergone a lot of changes 879 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: in recent years. Wrote an article interviewing a member of 880 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast about a derisive nickname for 881 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: the Titans, Uh and Uh, you know, Paul the elephant 882 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: in the room here, Paul. Paul took exception to it, 883 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 1: and UH fired off a few slings on Twitter. I 884 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: returned fire, but it wasn't all out warfare. I'd call 885 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: it a little brush fire. And I would just like 886 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,480 Speaker 1: to say, Paul with Uh. In this time where we 887 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: strive for unity in this country and the fact that 888 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: you could come on the show right now and we 889 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: could talk it out and not be, you know, wanting 890 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: to kill each other, that's progress. That's progress. Look, my 891 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,880 Speaker 1: I have a first rule of comedy, be funny, and 892 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,879 Speaker 1: so I don't think Tytoons is fun right, So that's 893 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: my objection, Like, if you want to take shots at 894 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: the Titans, come up with a funny name. I call 895 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 1: him a funny name. I don't think Tytoons is funny, 896 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: and I guaranteed don't think the Tennessee and which has 897 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: gone to hell and suck, should be writing about you 898 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: calling them the Tytoons, and you making a declaration that 899 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,919 Speaker 1: they're now worthy of you, not calling them your dumb nick. 900 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,359 Speaker 1: He's still I love the Tennessee and has just done 901 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: wonders covering uh the riots and the vandalism here and 902 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 1: on that they're doing well in the sports section where 903 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: tight titoons two Titans his news. Nobody should be paying 904 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: a nickel for that. Well, you know, Paul, I think 905 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 1: I think you're right, and uh, okay, he thinks right. 906 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: I think you're right, and uh, I will say that 907 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: you should listen to our podcast for a little more 908 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 1: context in the future. It was more a a way 909 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: to uh rile up the Titans fans, and it certainly worked. 910 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 1: Not not a piece of a comedic genius writing. I 911 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: will say that. So I'm not saying you were wrong ultimately, 912 00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,800 Speaker 1: just but we are progress here. Yeah, we are in 913 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 1: lockstep on this, all right, Paul, Thank you so much, 914 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: good spirit, and I enjoyed this conversation, which obviously it 915 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: was fun. You know a lot about the tycoons. And 916 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 1: you can follow Paul Karski on Twitter at Paul Kowarski 917 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,879 Speaker 1: NFL and good luck in this Arthur Smith zoom call 918 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: or whatever. It's Oh yeah, it's high pressure. It's high 919 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,360 Speaker 1: pressure to ask a question that gets a good answer. 920 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,279 Speaker 1: Then I then see everywhere it's a lot of fun, 921 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:34,920 Speaker 1: tough situation on the beat. Alright, well, thank you it um. 922 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,919 Speaker 1: I here's my thinking on it. I wasn't initially going 923 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,720 Speaker 1: to I was gonna feel it out. And he seemed 924 00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,399 Speaker 1: like a very serious guy at first, and I was like, oh, 925 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: maybe I'm gonna steer clear on it. But then as 926 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,440 Speaker 1: we got to know Paul and talk to him, it 927 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,319 Speaker 1: seemed like something that would be good to bring up, 928 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,400 Speaker 1: and we had a nice conversation that was nice. I 929 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 1: would not I would bring him back. Yeah, yeah, he's great. 930 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: I would have not allowed that conversation to and if 931 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: you didn't bring it up. By the end, I was, 932 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,439 Speaker 1: I was going to its all. I was thinking about 933 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: the whole time. Let's let's see these hands fireworks. You know. 934 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: Just fast forward to five years where I'm living in 935 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,879 Speaker 1: Nashville and a big house that uh, I get pay 936 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 1: half the money for and I own it, and me 937 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 1: and Paul have the biggest Titans uh podcasts in the nation. 938 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: That's what That's my big picture. Now you're gonna live in, well, 939 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: the Cutler household. I think it should be up for 940 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: sale right now. There it is, at least I'll just 941 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 1: slide right in there. I'll just slide right in all right. Uh, 942 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 1: good stuff. That was fun. I I just to put 943 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,360 Speaker 1: a button on kind of the Titans conversation here, Greg, 944 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: you're doing, of course, you're roster reset projected starters. I 945 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: always get those confused. There is a difference, but projected 946 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 1: starters as your calm when you went through each division. 947 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: Any uh kind of takeaways on the study this roster 948 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: that that didn't come up in that conversation. Um, I 949 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,759 Speaker 1: think I think it's the past rush. But I guess 950 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: I did bring that up that you know, they it's 951 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: a lot of what we talked about, expecting what was 952 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: together last year to just be better. And that's a 953 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 1: little bit of a danger. But I think they're hoping 954 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,160 Speaker 1: that some of these young players, whether it's Harold Landry 955 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,799 Speaker 1: who really hasn't done that. There's another first round pick. 956 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,879 Speaker 1: I guess Robinson struggled a little more in the first 957 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 1: round than the rest of the draft. UM counting on 958 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: Vic Beasley, Uh, I just they it's weird because they're 959 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: a great offensive team. But and they were scoring like 960 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: thirty a game. But can you outscore teams running the ball? 961 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: And they did it last year because they were so efficient. Um, 962 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 1: it's it's all on Tannehill. Though. I think if Tannehill 963 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,160 Speaker 1: could be a top ten quarterback again, it would that 964 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,319 Speaker 1: be the craziest thing in the world. I don't know, 965 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,239 Speaker 1: a little bit crazy, but it's a little crazy. But 966 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: he was, like, you know, he was legitimately a top 967 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: five quarterback for half a season, so I don't I 968 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: And he's never played outside of Miami before, so I 969 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000 Speaker 1: guess I'm I'm I'm holding out hope. I think they 970 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: need that though, because of wise they only won nine games. 971 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,800 Speaker 1: I think that got a little lost in the shuffle. 972 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,919 Speaker 1: Is like, yeah, it was. It was an interesting team, 973 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: but they pretty much won the exact same as the 974 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: Mike Malarkey teams. You know, they they have won nine 975 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: They're they're like the NW Jeff Fisher Rams. They won 976 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,600 Speaker 1: nine games. Every season. So I guess that takes me 977 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: to my my final two questions. Guys. So, Greg, if 978 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: the Titans get back to the get back to the 979 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,880 Speaker 1: super Bowl, and it's been over twenty years or twenty 980 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,240 Speaker 1: years now, it will be because of it was because 981 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: of Ryan Tannehill being being a different quarterback. There has 982 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,839 Speaker 1: to be a chance because I think there's this weird 983 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,120 Speaker 1: narrative because everyone just watched the two playoff games. It's like, well, 984 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: all they did was run, and like you can't get 985 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: away with that for the season. It's like, yeah, except 986 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: when he threw the ball in the regular season, he 987 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: was incredibly accurate, incredibly timely, threw the ball deep while 988 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,319 Speaker 1: he did everything really well. And that was as you know, 989 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,080 Speaker 1: when he talked about that Chiefs win, I mean that 990 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: that games in the thirties. They had a lot of 991 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,439 Speaker 1: games in the thirties. It wasn't all Henry all right, Mark, 992 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: like one word to describe the Titans right now. Well, 993 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,320 Speaker 1: we discussed this off there and it was going to 994 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: be a phrase, Dan, so I'm gonna give you a phrase. Yeah, 995 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:22,839 Speaker 1: Greg just swept poetic for like for some reason. All right, 996 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: let me let me reset the whole table for Cessler here, Mark, 997 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: give me one phrase, and you're not limited to one 998 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 1: word or one phrase. You could expound after that, but 999 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: to set up the conversation, give me the phrase, Okay, 1000 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,359 Speaker 1: I want to I'm gonna do that. This the way 1001 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,920 Speaker 1: that I planned to do it. The phrase to describe 1002 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,800 Speaker 1: last year, which was a special year, is deep state disruptors. 1003 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 1: They did everything in the NFL didn't really want them 1004 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 1: to do. The phrases, keep playing the hits. They're basically 1005 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,360 Speaker 1: running back essentially the same team. They haven't had a 1006 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 1: transformative offense. You can look to the rookie third down 1007 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,279 Speaker 1: running back, you can look to uh Vick Beasley and 1008 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,799 Speaker 1: a few in a new right tackle. But they are 1009 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,360 Speaker 1: hoping that what worked last year will work again. And 1010 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,879 Speaker 1: I don't hate that idea because of who they are, 1011 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,640 Speaker 1: who the roster is, but that doesn't always work. Yeah, 1012 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 1: I got I got a bad vibe about it. And 1013 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,319 Speaker 1: they're still as good as they were in those two 1014 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,320 Speaker 1: playoff wins. Like you said, they were nine win team, 1015 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,439 Speaker 1: and they need everything to go right and then son 1016 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 1: to take the next leap. To take a leap there, 1017 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,640 Speaker 1: I'll set over under nine and a half wins. What 1018 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,120 Speaker 1: do you guys got. I'm going under, and I think 1019 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,680 Speaker 1: that divisions a little better than people think. I'll go under, 1020 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,799 Speaker 1: but I think you can get into the playoffs as 1021 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,440 Speaker 1: a nine nine and seven or nine six and one 1022 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,800 Speaker 1: type team. But if you think if you're nine and seven, 1023 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,759 Speaker 1: if you think they're nine and seven, then how can 1024 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,719 Speaker 1: you agree this is the right thing to do? I mean, 1025 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,720 Speaker 1: isn't the goal to build a team that gets better? 1026 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,000 Speaker 1: Who me? I'm saying, keep playing the thing the hits 1027 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm seeing, keep playing the hits because they're in their mind. 1028 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: You know, they've made a hit record last year. They're 1029 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,959 Speaker 1: not making a new one. They're playing the same record again, 1030 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,920 Speaker 1: hoping to get you know, more money off of that, 1031 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,279 Speaker 1: and we'll see if that works. I suspect that that 1032 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: may not work, is what I said. They need development 1033 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,440 Speaker 1: from their young players, because they actually have a pretty 1034 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: young team overall. I got Johnny Smith, the guy I 1035 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,720 Speaker 1: think could be like an All Pro, and yet he hasn't, 1036 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't totally put it together. And if 1037 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 1: A J. Brown gets better, I mean, here's a guy 1038 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: who is one of the best rookie receivers we ever, 1039 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, we've seen a long time. If he gets better, 1040 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:39,240 Speaker 1: that that's their best hope. They're an interesting team. Yeah. Yeah, 1041 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,880 Speaker 1: that's the problem is that the whole Taptoons thing doesn't 1042 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,959 Speaker 1: make sense because they are more interesting now. I thought 1043 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 1: that it was always about that they weren't, right, it's retired. 1044 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,920 Speaker 1: It was more about that they were like kind of remember, 1045 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't even like they were the worst team. They 1046 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 1: were just the least interesting. But now they're they're pretty intriguing. 1047 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,320 Speaker 1: Titoons taking the last episode and it's not that, you know, 1048 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be a protest everybody the history lesson 1049 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,000 Speaker 1: on what the Tytoons was. Caharsky needed it, that was retired, 1050 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,200 Speaker 1: that went away, the moment that Marcus Mariotta finally faded 1051 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: into the background, and then they said let's take a 1052 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,760 Speaker 1: look at Tannehill. And then they changed some things up 1053 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: on offense, got more aggressive and all of a sudden 1054 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,320 Speaker 1: it changed everything and for that team. So he was 1055 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,920 Speaker 1: one of the more interesting But my takeaway from that 1056 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,360 Speaker 1: was he was much more mad at his former employer, 1057 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: the Tennessee and Uh than he ever was at you personally. Yes, 1058 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,160 Speaker 1: we actually I think went back and forth and then 1059 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 1: kind of landed at that at that juncture actually on 1060 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,320 Speaker 1: Twitter back in January that he was kind of unhappy 1061 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 1: with the direction of what was, in his mind, one 1062 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,560 Speaker 1: of the great papers of the region. Anyway, that was good, 1063 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,120 Speaker 1: good show. We'll be back on Friday on Network. How 1064 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,280 Speaker 1: about that around the NFL broadcast where we will uh 1065 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,880 Speaker 1: uh talk to you about all the latest in the NFL, 1066 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: what's going on in and around the league. So make 1067 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,320 Speaker 1: sure you check that out, set your DVRs uh and 1068 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,800 Speaker 1: if you want to watch it live. It is Friday, 1069 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 1: six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific, and we'll be back 1070 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,920 Speaker 1: with another brand new episode of the podcast on Monday. 1071 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 1: The Train keeps Rolling, Stand hands de signing off four, 1072 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:30,080 Speaker 1: Quiet Storm, the Old Boss all Right, Hollywood in the West, 1073 00:59:30,120 --> 01:00:00,160 Speaker 1: hollywel still Monday s