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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast is a positive locker room.

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Speaker 1: Prince James, Welcome back to another edition the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Ass and I am

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Speaker 1: joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling,

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Speaker 1: and Gregg Rose the ball. What up, boys? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good and we should all be very good and

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Speaker 1: happy because, uh, we're gonna have a special guest later

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Speaker 1: in the show. Greg, you did the scouting on this,

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Speaker 1: the advanced scouting. You traveled across the world to find

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Speaker 1: our next Around the NFL writer. Well, it was it

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Speaker 1: was hard to find another writer shorter than me, but

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Speaker 1: I found that No. Actually, Connor or new is that

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Speaker 1: even accurate? Around the NFL writer is a little taller

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Speaker 1: than me, but you know it's in this Basically, he's

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Speaker 1: not in any height to the Around the NFL basketball team,

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Speaker 1: but still a tall skuy on the team at five

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Speaker 1: ten and three quarters. Not not a good looking squid, well,

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Speaker 1: very good looking, but not gotta basketball. But yeah. Connor

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Speaker 1: comes to us from the Newark Star Ledger, where he

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Speaker 1: covered the Jets for a couple of years, then he

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Speaker 1: be dropping into this show. He will to talk a

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Speaker 1: little NFC East and I imagine he comes he came

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Speaker 1: It's got to be real nervous behind that class thinking

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Speaker 1: with each passing minute, he's getting closer to putting his

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Speaker 1: headset on no pressure though, buddy. Yeah, it's like joining

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Speaker 1: you know, the eighties six Celtics or something like that.

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Speaker 1: You just don't want to mess up that we have

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Speaker 1: officially jumped the shark. We are very high on ourselves. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we got a great show today. Welcome to board, Connor,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you later. We are gonna get it.

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Speaker 1: We talked about last week West the biggest surprises of

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Speaker 1: negative slant, the biggest disappointments. And that's what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about today, the NFL's biggest disappointments for through the

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Speaker 1: first quarters of the season. We're also gonna do a

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Speaker 1: little New York Giants chat, which is timely with Connor here,

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Speaker 1: he's a former Giants beat man. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: the Giants and also the NFC East, the division that

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Speaker 1: let's face it, it's a little friskier than we thought

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Speaker 1: it would be entering the season. We're gonna do, of course,

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Speaker 1: to our Thursday night preview as we do every Wednesday. Uh,

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Speaker 1: taking a look at the Colts and the Texans and

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Speaker 1: nice AFC South showdown. Yeah that's a that's a little

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Speaker 1: surprising too. But before any of that, you're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: to the another man behind the glass, the man behind

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Speaker 1: the glass, Mr tit Ight, what's going on? Guys? Are

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Speaker 1: you guys doing now? Are you doing doing good? Doing good?

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Speaker 1: You know, we got the team of h C all

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Speaker 1: figured out last episode. Chargers, Yeah, that's right. If anyone

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Speaker 1: didn't listen, I mean, because that was the same on you,

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Speaker 1: if you didn't snuck it in there. We didn't even

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Speaker 1: know that was gonna happen. Chargers, the San Diego Chargers

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Speaker 1: are the two thousand and fourteen team around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, special shout outs Chris Westling for

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Speaker 1: see being so magnanimous and just joining us and being

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Speaker 1: part of it. Don't call M a man who is

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Speaker 1: unable to compromise you like an old government man that

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Speaker 1: they're not my favorite a team to watch, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna hold this up to where it's week ten

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Speaker 1: and we're still waiting on our team. My partisanship is

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Speaker 1: what they call that. I think Gregg made a good

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Speaker 1: Well you can. No, No, you can't because I gave up.

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Speaker 1: What if I just do you not? You haven't heard

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Speaker 1: never even tell you about it? So you you would

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Speaker 1: if this Astley is busy on us? Certain I'm saying, what, God,

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Speaker 1: Let's just bounce around different. I'm still a little bit

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's been a disaster in Detroit. They're kicking game.

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Speaker 1: west that's one out of nine beyond thirty yards. That's outrageous.

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Speaker 1: and Lashawn McCoy. McCoy was basically m VP level. Nick

426
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Speaker 1: Foles had one of the great year statistically in a

427
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Speaker 1: long time a quarterback in terms of turnovers to touchdowns.

428
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Speaker 1: I would have thought you would have put them in

429
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Speaker 1: the top three, but they here at seven there, four

430
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: and one, right, but kill a four and one team,

431
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: You could kill Nick Foles and I have you know

432
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Speaker 1: who I'm disappointed with the ESPN s QBR rating somehow

433
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 1: is Nick Foles number fourteen. He's the guy that is

434
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Speaker 1: has the biggest gap between his box score and his

435
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 1: actual play of any player I've ever seen, Because I

436
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: mean you made the point on Twitter, He's been outplayed

437
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Speaker 1: by every quarterback he's played this year. I guess Kirk

438
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: Cousins would be debateable but you could say that he's yeah,

439
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: I think I can take that. And and don't we

440
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: always say that you can't kill a quarterback for his

441
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 1: team losing. Isn't it the same thing with Wayne two? Though?

442
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 1: Like what just because the Eagles are winning because their

443
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: defensive special teams is giving them seventeen touchdowns a week.

444
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Folds has been dreadful a lot, and McCoy's

445
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: can't even average three yards that carry. To me, McCoy,

446
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 1: I know the offensive line is in tatters, but that's

447
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: the biggest surprise to me that he's been one of

448
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 1: the worst running backs in the league. Speaking of the line,

449
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: how about the disappointment is all the you know, months

450
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: of puff pieces talking about Chip Kelly sports science. This

451
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: is the one coach that's cracked the code on how

452
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: no one will get injured on the entire team. The

453
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Speaker 1: reason these two guys are on the list, let's go

454
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Speaker 1: at least McCoy is the fact that offensive line cannot

455
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Speaker 1: stay healthy. Total shambles. That's on you, Chip Kelly. I

456
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 1: like that luck of the draw, but then it's no

457
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: more just luck of the draw in the fact that

458
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: he kept them healthy all that seasons, right, I agree

459
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Speaker 1: with that. That was a weird storyline that we saw

460
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Speaker 1: in the summer, that Chip Kelly a magical formula for

461
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: keeping football players healthy when they hit each other all

462
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: game till the games begin. Maybe he needs more r

463
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: C cars driving around. Um. Finally, before we we end

464
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Speaker 1: this discussion, does anyone else have anybody that's not on

465
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Speaker 1: West's list? That maybe should be open ended question everyone

466
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Speaker 1: sort of sitting in search. Does anybody yes? We should

467
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Speaker 1: have prepared one. I sort of wondered if r G

468
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Speaker 1: three should be in the top ten. I see West,

469
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: I haven't highlighted right here because I was with you, Wes.

470
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: I thought that this guy was gonna be a comeback

471
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, uh this year and you can

472
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Speaker 1: maybe keep him up the list. It's always hurt, but

473
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Speaker 1: that was part of the thing with him. It's like,

474
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Speaker 1: was he going to be able to stay on the field.

475
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: But even before he was hurt, he just didn't seem

476
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Speaker 1: like the same guy, whether it was preseason or a

477
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Speaker 1: week one. I think it hurt in Week two, Yeah,

478
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: yeah he was. So this is how was made. I

479
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: got tired of writing about him already this year. So

480
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Speaker 1: he's not on there makes sense I throw a peek

481
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: behind the cart and even though they're three and two,

482
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: I throw the Steelers on there. I don't know, there's

483
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: something like they should be good. I want to be

484
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: excited about them. I want to like watching them. I

485
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: know they found a way to win, and yet they've

486
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: had some stink bomb performances and even when they get

487
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: a win in Jacksonville, they're about something like the defense

488
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: isn't any better. We thought it would be a lot better.

489
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: We thought it would be exciting and young there's this

490
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: I want more that's on my list. They were one

491
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: of the that was one of the hardest games to

492
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Speaker 1: watch when I watched almost all the games on Gay

493
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Speaker 1: rewind yesterday because I had an off day and that

494
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: was the hardest game to get through, even harder than

495
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Speaker 1: the Jets egg that they laid. I'm disappointed with the

496
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: home crowd of the St. Louis Rams, consistently disappointing, called

497
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Speaker 1: out by Tony Romo. I believe it's just being a

498
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: snooze fest of an environment. Well indirectly, but yeah, he said, okay,

499
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: well how about well know, how about this the Cowboys

500
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Speaker 1: home stadium. Yeah, there's a disappoint Tony Romo said on

501
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Speaker 1: Sunday that was like playing a road game in his

502
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: own stadium, because he estimated loosely out there was about

503
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: forty Texans fans at his own building. You got to

504
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: go to a silent snap count. Bad job, Jaral World.

505
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: I should have put Cowboys fans on my list for

506
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Speaker 1: biggest discipline? Why not trolling? By the way, speaking of Cowboys,

507
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: is do you think it's a little bitter sweet for

508
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans? The four and one Cowboys. The fans already

509
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: realized they're halfway to their wind total this year. Well,

510
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: I thought you liked the Cowboys. It's gonna be a

511
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: long December. Let's throw up. Let's throw Reggie Bush by

512
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: the way on this disappointment's list. He could just stay there, like,

513
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 1: because you know I'm getting every time I watched them,

514
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: I get flashbacks to the two thousand eight Saints, where

515
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: like Reggie Bush has it looks like he's gonna have

516
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: a three yard game, and then he runs backwards for

517
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 1: fifteen yards and gets everyone all crazy and then loses

518
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: four yards. Now he's hurt. He's always hurt. There's been

519
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: a game or two so far. I've been really impressed

520
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, says you're wrong. He got injured.

521
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess we could. Yeah, did you

522
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: ever get back his high I'm disappointed. I don't care

523
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: about that issue. Whatever happened in that Kenny Britt break out.

524
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 1: By the way, what about the Kenny Britt against the Eagles?

525
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: He had a nice touchdown catch and another play down

526
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: the field and his breakout. Hey, that's what do you

527
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: want from Kenny receiving yards last two games? So it

528
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: secially on the last game. He don't don't get in

529
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: the way of our narrative. Yeah, I don't want these

530
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: facts narratives. All right, Kenny Britt number one unless his

531
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: reformatted top ten disappointments list. All right, that's it. Good

532
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: talk as alright, gentlemen. So it is time now and

533
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: just a little peak behind the glass. We don't have

534
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: enough headset. So I came back behind the glass. So

535
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Speaker 1: I'm standing now looking upon the group, a new group,

536
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: almost the future without me. I'm looking at this. Yeah, this,

537
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: this is this is weird. But connor Or is now

538
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: seated in my old spot next to Greg Rosenthal. Connor Or,

539
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Speaker 1: welcome to the around the NFL group. I thank you Everyboddy.

540
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: This is you guys have no idea how where did

541
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: this watching TV from this angle. By the way, now

542
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: that you're in that terror, you're you're gonna host on Sunday,

543
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: so prepare well. Dan doesn't do any prepsodes exactly. It's

544
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: just winging it, you know. Uh, you know we were

545
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: just talking to hear you. By the way, we were

546
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: just talking Kenny Brett. You have a history covering Kenny

547
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: Britt in New Jersey. Kenny Britt and Will Hill are

548
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: two of my favorite players of all time because I've

549
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: covered probably between them about twenty separate minor arrests and uh,

550
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: you know it's you haven't covered football until you've driven

551
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: to a car wash to interview the employees who who

552
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: saw a somebody discarding something frantically from his pocket, something illegal.

553
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: Vice police rolled up to the scene. I feel I

554
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: feel like we should say because it might sound like

555
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: he was discarding an oozy or something. It was like

556
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: a marijuana, Yeah, it wasn't, wasn't a firearm, not a

557
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: dead body. I was gonna say, you want to have

558
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: Whill Hill to kick around anymore? But now that you

559
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: are working for NFL dot Com. Will Hill will be

560
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: on your agenda. I go where Will Hill goes? You

561
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: know he He should be off the suspension list any

562
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: week now. All right, So it makes sense since we

563
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: have the former Giants beat man, uh Connor or with us.

564
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: I forgot Connor's name, but in the time I will remember.

565
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: I just learned today that it's Connor with one end.

566
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: So we have a Greg with two gs and a

567
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: Mark with a C. Come on, guys, what's unusual about

568
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: the ladder? I don't know. Just come out uh sore?

569
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: Since we have a former Giants beat writer, let's talk

570
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: the NFC East because and I'll start by throwing it

571
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: to West by the way, because west who has long

572
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: been I would say it's fair to say West anti

573
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: Giants Giants loather. Yeah, Giants loather if they're interesting. I'm

574
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: boring the most boring team in the NFL since I've

575
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: been following football. So tell us, Chris Westling, what you

576
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: tweeted after some film watch and I believe yesterday I

577
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: tweeted that after watching all of the games on Game

578
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: re one that Giants were the most fun team to

579
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: watch in Week five. Wow, So why don't we start there,

580
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: we'll talk about all the nfc s, which is becoming

581
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: a sneaky, uh fun division. What what do we think

582
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: about the Giant So far? West is excited watching them.

583
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: Does everybody else feel the same way? Well, I agree

584
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, you know, watching them in the preseason,

585
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 1: it was absolutely miserable. And now the fact that they

586
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: can actually go to like a bunch or four wide

587
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham, Victor Cruz and Reuben Randall. I mean,

588
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: you saw the first two times they went four wide

589
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: in that game there were guys open by twenty yards

590
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: and I mean Beckham was opened twice deep once he

591
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: drew a penalty and easy leaping ability on that touchdown.

592
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: He just looks like a world class athlete to me.

593
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: And that touchdown they had not practiced that route at

594
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: all before that, So I mean you can just imagine,

595
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, question for you, I mean when you were

596
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: there in through the summer and it was in the preseason,

597
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: it just looked like an epic disaster to the point

598
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: where this this is going to get real ugly. Did

599
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: the players you know, they say what they say, did

600
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: you get a sense that they really felt this could

601
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: turn around? As soon as it has no you know,

602
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: just being honest, because you know you have to tow

603
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: that company line. You always have to say that things

604
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: are gonna get better. But I think in the back

605
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: of my mind, I could kind of feel some of

606
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: the veterans, especially after the preseason, being like, what are

607
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: we doing? I mean, is this really gonna happen again?

608
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: But I mean credit to them. I mean, you know,

609
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: you have a new offensive coordinator that's just three years

610
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: older than you're starting quarterback telling everybody that he's gonna

611
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: make it work, and and they're taking it work. I mean,

612
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: they won three in a row and they look like

613
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: one of the best teams in the division. Really, they

614
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: should have won the Cardinals game too. That was that

615
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: was a real low point obviously in the season, where

616
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: they were at home and made every mistake you can make.

617
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: If they just took care of business there, they'd be

618
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: flying high and everybody would be talking about the Giants.

619
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Speaker 1: West West beat me to the punch on Twitter by

620
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Speaker 1: saying he thinks the Giants are gonna win the division

621
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: and are the favorites, And I agree, I think they

622
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: are the favorites in the division. Now it's not like

623
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: we're changing our picks or anything. I just think if

624
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: you look at them top to bottom, I don't see

625
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: a huge weakness, whereas every other team you can see

626
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: where they're gonna fall off. They're one of the more

627
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: complete teams, even if they're not quite as like wildly explosive.

628
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: Like the offensive line so much better. The defense is

629
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: pretty good upfront, pretty good in the back. They're excited

630
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: Giants fans. Yeah, I always hate watching the Giants too.

631
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: I feel differently this year. I feel like they're thin

632
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: it spots though. I mean, you look at that defensive line,

633
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: and if one of those guys went down, it would

634
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: it would go into a territory where they're just dangerously thin.

635
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: And then I don't know, I want to see them

636
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: play the Colts. I want to see them play the Seahawks,

637
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, the Cowboys, the Eagles. I mean, they've

638
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: got a heck of a stretch here coming up. And

639
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: then then maybe I'll change my mind, Cessler, what do

640
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: you so work up? Well? I don't understand the like

641
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: across the board hatred for the I guess over the

642
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: last five or six years, we'll look at they're always

643
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: on TV they're always super Bowl, They're always Wait, the

644
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: Patriots fan doesn't like the Giants. They've been a pretty

645
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: mediocre franchise in the regular season. You're Tom Coffin, and

646
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: they've had the most the fact they've had the most

647
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: overrated player of the past decade, Eli Manning. Oh wow,

648
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Come on, that's that's hard leave an opinion.

649
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: That's I don't know. The only reason I disagree is

650
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: because I don't know how highly he's rated at this point.

651
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure people because he's a he bleeds Giant

652
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: Blue the only Jeff Podcast. You know. That's not true.

653
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: But I put I put little like I put stock

654
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Speaker 1: into little things like dominant playoff runs, uh two times

655
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: out of five years and two super Bowl rings. But

656
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: that's just me. I don't put that much into them because,

657
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: of course not because you could easily have not made

658
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs those years, and that's all just down to luck.

659
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: Didn't nothing to do with how they did well. If

660
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Speaker 1: he plays above average football for two more seasons, three

661
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: more seasons than offense, I think you have to consider

662
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: him a first ballot Hall of Famer and we'll still

663
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Speaker 1: be there. I will. Let's let's fraction of the player

664
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Speaker 1: a big bang in Philip Rivers. You have to leave now. Yeah,

665
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: let's let's move on. And before we move on, I

666
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: just want to say, like standing watching over you guys,

667
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: I feel powerful. You ask me if I have a God,

668
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I am God. Let's talk

669
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: about the Eagle. You look more like a scarecrow. Let's

670
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: talk about the Eagles. So they were the team that

671
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: we all talked about. Is the favorite entering the season.

672
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: Do we think they're gonna kind of put it together

673
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: an offense or what not until their offensive line gets healthy?

674
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: But they will right, Kelsey'll get back, Lane Johnson's back

675
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: from suspension. I think they still missed the Shan Jackson too.

676
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: That's fair. I think there's a lot of panic around

677
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: a team that it's four and one with what's going

678
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: on with their offensive line. I I'm not going to

679
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: panic go over Philadelphia, and I'm not sure that the

680
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: Giants are the odds on favorite to win the division.

681
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: I seem to remember like last year in training camp,

682
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: watching other teams try to prepare for the Eagles and

683
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: not knowing what it was gonna be. I mean, it

684
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: was so haphazard. I mean they were just throwing anything

685
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: against the wall because that's what they were expecting. And

686
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: now that you have some sort of a template, I

687
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: think that that the league is catching up a little bit,

688
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: which I think really manifest itself. And what Nick Foles

689
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: has been doing this year, well, he leads the league

690
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: in giveaways, interceptions, and fumbles. And I don't think Foles

691
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: is gonna vastly improve. I do think the offense will

692
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: get it together because even in those first three games

693
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Speaker 1: when Foles wasn't playing well, in those games, they still

694
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Speaker 1: find a way to get yards. I mean, Kelly is

695
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: such a huge advantage, but the defense is blah and

696
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks not great. I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if this division gets to playoff teams, what do you think.

698
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: I picked the Giants to beat the Eagles this week

699
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: because I think the Giants are better, and not just

700
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: by a little bit. I took the Giants this week too.

701
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: I feel like every week we are going through this

702
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: charade where everyone's picking against the Eagles and the Eagles

703
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: keep winning. I'm picking against the Eagles, well, I have

704
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: several times, and I don't think. I don't think the

705
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: special teams. Touchdowns are something you can rely on from

706
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: week to week. So I feel pretty good to give

707
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: the Eagles this. They have found different ways to score

708
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: every week, and that it's not just how is your

709
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: offense doing, it's as a team, they've found ways to

710
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: win games. That stuff tends to even out over the

711
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: course of a season. Though if you're if you're relying

712
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: on punt blocks for wins, you're going to be in trouble.

713
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: Let they got some trash stock going on this week

714
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: or going on. I think it's like it's like running

715
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: and strayhand set the bar, and then it was Ocie

716
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: and McCoy and now it's like just minor things like

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00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: why did you say something mean about me on Twitter?

718
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: Let me guess? And is involved something well, actually, Jeremy

719
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: Kerry Williams also involved the two mouths that roared Well.

720
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: Jeremy Macklin echoed your point, basically saying role talks too much.

721
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: So yes he does. He agrees with you. It seems factual.

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00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: Roll did say that the Eagles rise was attributed to

723
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: a week division last year, which I guess seems fair.

724
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: That is fair, I mean, Jeremy Macklin didn't think so though.

725
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: All right, so what we should probably get into the

726
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: team that actually leads the division, That is the Dallas Cowboys,

727
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: America's erst wild team. And can I just say something.

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00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: Going to Seattle this week, I have a feeling they

729
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: are going to put up a fight, keep it within

730
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: the possession. Hey, it's going to be competitive. Are gonna

731
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: lose thirty four to thirty one, and they will earn

732
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: people's respect despite falling. What are they going to be

733
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: like the Redskins and celebrating the locker room because they

734
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: lost the close game? Yeah and yeah, but that was ridiculous.

735
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Speaker 1: But if that's true, there were reports that after the

736
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: Redskins lost by only double digits to in their own

737
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: building to a Seahawks team playing at a C plus level,

738
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: that they were singing and like carrying on. But I'd

739
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: like to imagine they were singing. Would be incredible, that

740
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: would be in Unison. They were doing like the group

741
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: dance from I Like That Dad into like a three

742
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: year old's birthday part. I like to think they were

743
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: doing the group dance from She's All That. I don't

744
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: think we saw the I mean, let's I don't we

745
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: didn't see the whole division coming. But but Dallas, you know,

746
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: in a sneaky way, has developed maybe the NFC's best

747
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: offensive line. And that's something that when I look at

748
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: Dallas and is it all smoking mirrors? Are they gonna

749
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: crumble and they're gonna go one and seven? Well the

750
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: note because that's something that week to week they can

751
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: they can lean on it, and it's more for me

752
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: can uh to Marco Murray stay healthy. It's it's sort

753
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: of in a random question, but but history tells us

754
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: that's been an issue. It's been an issue. And I mean,

755
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: if you're looking at a running back that it could

756
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: potentially and had a huge contract at the end of

757
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: the year, what's your mindset as far as I mean,

758
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: how many more times are you gonna lower your shoulder

759
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: when you know that on the open market you could

760
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: probably net an extra two years and six million dollars

761
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: if you just come out of it clean. You know,

762
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: it's a precarious situation, you know, especially with with somebody

763
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: that good. How about the Redskins. Finally, we just talked

764
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: about their song and dance in the locker room. I'm

765
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: sure it happened. I'll stand by it. Uh. Do we

766
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: have any reason to think that they're playing a little

767
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: They've been a little frisky times this year, But do

768
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: we have any reason to think they'll hang around in

769
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: this division? They don't get the sentiment that I heard

770
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: coming out of Monday night that Kirk Cousins played well. No,

771
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: he had two unbelievable throws, two great throws to Sean Jackson,

772
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: and they had no offense outside. I think the sentiment

773
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: was that he was at a complete dumpster fire, like

774
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: I think. I think that says it all about the Redskins. Yeah,

775
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: and that's why I think that's what they said him

776
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. You had him in the

777
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: playoffs before the season or not in the playoffs. Pretty good.

778
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: We like them out ago. I'm not giving up on

779
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: them as a competitive I don't think they're as bad

780
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: as one and four. I'd think it a more interesting

781
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: than they were a year ago. If he continues to progress.

782
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just looking back at the game,

783
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: he was not staring down receivers as blatantly as he

784
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: used to. You could see some half hearted attempts at

785
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: least looking off safeties for the first time since he's

786
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: been an actual regular starter. So I mean, if he

787
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: can continue to do stuff like that, I mean he

788
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: could probably sneak a few games by some people in

789
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: this league. They want you to be completely fully cooked

790
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: week one of your rotting season, and Kirk Cousins is

791
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: not that guy. I believe he's now one in six

792
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: as a starter in his career. Not to go back

793
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys, but you gotta lock up that Mark

794
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Sessler Assistant Coach of the Year award for Rod Baron

795
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: Ellie at this point if he if this continues with

796
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: that Cowboys defense, what about Tarrell Austin. I don't care

797
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: that this we you said, you know, we all said

798
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: it was gonna be one of the worst defenses in history.

799
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: At about them is they seem well coached. They just

800
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: seem like they're flying all around. Greg, you're breaking the

801
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: the order of the segments even more egregious from this angle.

802
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: Al Right, So that's it. That's the NFC East talk. Connor,

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00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: it's grades time from here. I'm gonna give you the

804
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: highest possible grade I can c plus, great job. Thanks

805
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: for having no it was easily finally real quick. We're

806
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: a little short on time. We're gonna talk about the

807
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: Thursday night game the Indianapolis coltson Houston Texans to four

808
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: and three teams. The best team is obviously in that

809
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: division that Titans of Jaguars are combined one and nine.

810
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: So this is really what this division is all about.

811
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: And this is a big game. Gentlemen, how do we

812
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: see this? I'll start with you, Chris Wesley. I picked

813
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: the Colts for one very obvious reason. To me, if

814
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: it's going to be close, my money's on Andrew Luck

815
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: and and Ryan Fitzpatrick. To me, that Texans offense just

816
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: disappears and goes in the tank way too often. The

817
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: Texans offense, the passing game at least is one of

818
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: the worst in the league. I mean they had thirty

819
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: something yards at halftime I believe last week against Dallas

820
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: throwing the ball, and they've disappeared. And the fact that

821
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: the Colts now actually look like they have a halfway

822
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: decent defense. Any anytime you know that you can stop

823
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: the other team from passing, I don't trust him. I

824
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: went with the Cults, but I struggled a little bit

825
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: because I don't love their offensive line and havn't for

826
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: a long time, and what we've seen J J. Watt

827
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: do this season, all of us. You know, I don't know,

828
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: Come on, but you know who needs to be on

829
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: that disappointment list. It's Jadeveon Clowney, because that's the guy

830
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: when he was when he was flapping his mouth during

831
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: in New York City before the draft. What did he

832
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: say he'd do to Andrew Luck. He's got the next

833
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: time around? How about this? Live up to your big boasts.

834
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: This is Andrew Luck. He's gonna win this game. Clowney

835
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: does have three different injuries since the Texans draft him. Yeah,

836
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: it's not an easy place to win, though. I don't

837
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: think this is going to be some sort of walkover.

838
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: And Aaron Foster looked better last week then I remember

839
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: him looking promote the last year he looked terrific. And

840
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: their running game has been pretty good. I see, yeah,

841
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: I see. This is a one possession game where Andrew

842
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: Luck makes a play at the end in something like that. Well, no,

843
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: it's Andrew Luck does something in a way like we

844
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: all go home. Let's all go home, actually actually go

845
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: downstairs to work for seventeen more hours. We got a

846
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: lot more to do today. But this podcast is over.

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00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: We will be back on Thursday night with our full

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Speaker 1: week six preview, including hitting up all the games on

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Speaker 1: Sunday and recapping the game we just talked about. So

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Speaker 1: sending your money tags, you know, keep it real is.

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Speaker 1: Dan Hands is signing off for The Mailman, The Sizzler,

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