Speaker 1: I am all in. I am all in with Scott
Speaker 1: Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson,
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Speaker 1: Daniel Romo, Amy Sugarman. We are going to take a
Speaker 1: crack at the season finale, Season three, episode two. Those
Speaker 1: are strings, Pinocchio, Danielle take it away? Alrighty er date
Speaker 1: me three and everyone knows this episode one of the
Speaker 1: biggest episodes of Gilmore Girls. So I've been told, um
Speaker 1: it's Rory's graduation day. But before she gives her moving
Speaker 1: speech that makes everyone cry, she finds a solution in
Speaker 1: paying for Yale so that Lorelai can still buy the
Speaker 1: Dragonfly in with Suki. Luke is supposed to go on
Speaker 1: a trip with Nicole, but will one dream make him
Speaker 1: realize something he has never admitted to himself. Plus, Richard
Speaker 1: and Emily by Rory a car as a gift, So
Speaker 1: nice of them. And finally, Rory says her piece to
Speaker 1: Jess as he mysteriously calls right after her ceremony. Happy graduation.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this is this is the best
Speaker 1: episode that I have seen in this entire three seasons.
Speaker 1: This was unbelievable. Girls, What do you think for me? Um?
Speaker 1: This is actually my favorite episode of the whole series
Speaker 1: as a Gilmore Girls fan. This episode represents what the
Speaker 1: show is about. It's about Rory and Lorelai and their
Speaker 1: love for each other. And that's what that speech was about, right,
Speaker 1: So that's what That's why it's my favorite episode. And
Speaker 1: the part where she goes to um, Emily and Richard
Speaker 1: and she's like, here's the thing, this is my thing.
Speaker 1: I want to go to this school. I want you
Speaker 1: to kind of like get Lorala out of trouble in
Speaker 1: a sense. But Rory's doing it and she's now the adult.
Speaker 1: So this whole episode to me was it was full circle.
Speaker 1: But it was also the end of like chapter one
Speaker 1: Gilmore into chapter two. Okay, hands show hands. Who cried?
Speaker 1: Oh god obviously multiple times? Oh cried Danielle. Did you cry? No? No,
Speaker 1: no tears, no tears, not even a welling, welling. They
Speaker 1: didn't have to stream down your face, just and did you?
Speaker 1: I was yeah, I cried real tears, like we'll wipe
Speaker 1: the face at the end of the show. Shocking, shocking. Um.
Speaker 1: But but but it's like, but that speech, Rory's speech
Speaker 1: and when she thanked her grandparents and told her mother.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I was. I wasn't like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the water works, but it was. It was. It
Speaker 1: was very movie anyway, did did you? We'll get to that.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that because I want to think. I
Speaker 1: think it made me even cry more seeing Suki and
Speaker 1: Lauraa crying trying not to cry, and then Luke is crying,
Speaker 1: and then I'm crying. It's like a contagious yawn. So
Speaker 1: take us through it. Let's start from the beginning, because
Speaker 1: this was a very wait wait wait, very special episode,
Speaker 1: very very But before we get into it, I need
Speaker 1: to ask both you and Danielle, what do you think
Speaker 1: is is coming like? Because daniel has never seen it. Scott,
Speaker 1: do you remember anything? I remember a lot, but I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're referring to what's coming in season four? Correct? Alright,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of ultimately no, well, I
Speaker 1: mean I remember that that that pivotal scene, and I
Speaker 1: think I know what you're referring to the numeroo smooth
Speaker 1: your rooney, right, don't But I'm no spoilers, No, we're not.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying for who so because it's fun for
Speaker 1: everybody because you are the virgin here God. Yes, which
Speaker 1: I still think that was a good time. So what
Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen? Let's let's say
Speaker 1: with with Luke. What do you let's talk about Luke.
Speaker 1: What do you predict? Okay, well, I predict that season
Speaker 1: four is going to be the Luke and Lorle show.
Speaker 1: But to get there, I think that Luke and Nicole
Speaker 1: are going on this vacation. They're packing up. He's meeting
Speaker 1: her at the dock. He's got his suitcases. She thinks
Speaker 1: she's in a Rainca cigarette. You all know what I mean. Okay,
Speaker 1: the boat pulls up, talking in there and Luca's like,
Speaker 1: I gotta do something before I get on the boat.
Speaker 1: I'll meet you on there. And then he's like running
Speaker 1: to the dog whatever the hell you call it. And
Speaker 1: then he goes, Nope, this isn't what I want, and
Speaker 1: he makes it. You turn. She's on the boat and
Speaker 1: he's like, I can't do it. She's on the boat,
Speaker 1: and then he goes to the goes to the house,
Speaker 1: knocks on the door and he's like, Lola, I want this,
Speaker 1: and then they have that numerous off at a sign
Speaker 1: shop and they make him a sign I love you, Laurela.
Speaker 1: I puts it on top of this car. I like
Speaker 1: that added detail. Since he's wearing a trench coat. Did
Speaker 1: he get his boom up? Definitely, something along those lines.
Speaker 1: That's why glad. I'm glad to know that's interest Lesa
Speaker 1: at the dock, leaves are hanging. I like drap at
Speaker 1: midnight and trench coats like I definitely think Nicole show
Speaker 1: goes on the cruise about him on the Romantic Cruise.
Speaker 1: The graphic comes up in black and white, you know,
Speaker 1: port of Hartford Midnight, and then we hear this whole
Speaker 1: absolutely where's Luke? Where is he? Why is it making
Speaker 1: me think? And I'm going to mess up the lyrics,
Speaker 1: but why is it making me think of that bon
Speaker 1: Jovi song? Johnny used to work on the docks. I
Speaker 1: don't even think it's Johnny. No, it is Johnny, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know, but it sounded right. I'm glad
Speaker 1: we have that moment. Thank you so much. Living on
Speaker 1: a Mommy Tommy, Ny don't work on Johnny had a shot.
Speaker 1: He just didn't ask questions. You got eliminated. Yeah, Johnny
Speaker 1: wanted to be in a Springsteen song. He didn't want
Speaker 1: to be Tommy's ending up with Nicole. Okay, well, let's
Speaker 1: the record show. We will revisit this. Somebody saved this
Speaker 1: little thing that Danielle just said, so we can listen
Speaker 1: re listen to it. When we watched the season four
Speaker 1: first couple of oh yeah, yeah, this is coming back
Speaker 1: to haunt something. Tound Turner is back. The town Turner
Speaker 1: is back, right, so we're we all happy to see
Speaker 1: him for a moment, you know, and he gets smashed
Speaker 1: into by you know, get out of my way, peace,
Speaker 1: but out of the way, peace boy, and not a
Speaker 1: lovely graceful entrance by by Laurel I with her three
Speaker 1: pound backpack strapped. Very comical scene made me laugh out loud.
Speaker 1: I think he did have a funny line. It was
Speaker 1: the perfect Gilmore moment, wasn't it. And it starts out
Speaker 1: so beautiful and I did love when Luke says, don't
Speaker 1: take your shoes off right exactly exactly? All right? Are
Speaker 1: they just carrying around those backpacks for practice like that?
Speaker 1: So we're getting backpack shape European backpack shape? Right. Two
Speaker 1: important things in this scene, Scott that I really want
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts. First. We have all so we
Speaker 1: learned that Scott, that we learned that Luke is going
Speaker 1: to close the diner, which had me sort of shook
Speaker 1: because it's like, whoa, that is big and that he's
Speaker 1: going on this cruise. So Laurela begins with all the
Speaker 1: love boat jokes, which epic and mentioning are you going
Speaker 1: to propose? Inappropriate? But that's Laura La, right, you mean
Speaker 1: she's well, well, of course that's what she does. That's
Speaker 1: who she is. That's her character. You know, she's a
Speaker 1: she's a female Don Rickles Henny Youngman type character. Right,
Speaker 1: So she's gonna ask those questions because nobody does that,
Speaker 1: and she's gonna do it, and that's why we love her, right,
Speaker 1: we expect the unexpected. So she she asked that question.
Speaker 1: She pops the question about it had even crossed his mind?
Speaker 1: I said, without answering the question, Don Rickles is actually
Speaker 1: a pretty funny comparison. Do you think that Luke had
Speaker 1: thought about proposing? Has that even crossed his mind? I?
Speaker 1: H I I don't think so, I agree with you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. He's I mean, how long
Speaker 1: has he's been dating her now, I mean only like
Speaker 1: six months, six months, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's
Speaker 1: he's cool whether it's like going well, but I think
Speaker 1: he's inbiden his time, right, and he has the parents
Speaker 1: he's giving he's giving it a chance. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's maybe it's fun and relaxed and
Speaker 1: it's good for him, and he knows it's good for
Speaker 1: his life, and she's having a good time and all that,
Speaker 1: but maybe he doesn't feel it's the end all be
Speaker 1: all right. But again, how would he know. It's definitely
Speaker 1: not the same feeling he has for laurel Ize, So
Speaker 1: I think that's why. But I think he probably feels
Speaker 1: he's never gonna get laurel I, and he's got to
Speaker 1: grow up and try something else and maybe carve out
Speaker 1: a life for himself. And I just think he's being
Speaker 1: trying to be you know, emotionally mature about it. Right.
Speaker 1: I literally think your analysis is exactly right. Like he
Speaker 1: knows I should keep dating her because I deserve to
Speaker 1: be happy, and this is what adults do. He's a good,
Speaker 1: good person. Yeah, that's a great cat. She's a lawyer,
Speaker 1: she's smart. We have they have a there's nothing bad.
Speaker 1: There's nothing bad, but I do think there might be
Speaker 1: some Subliminally he's convincing himself like this is what I
Speaker 1: should do. I think he was he was troubled by
Speaker 1: meeting the parents and that he so didn't fit in,
Speaker 1: and he felt like, I mean, that's an academic family, right,
Speaker 1: He's not going to fit in. You know. Christmas is
Speaker 1: going to be strained, and Thanksgivings are gonna be strained.
Speaker 1: They're always going to be talking down, not not down
Speaker 1: to Luke, but a lot of things are going to
Speaker 1: go over his head. And I don't think he likes
Speaker 1: being in that position. And um, he's just not a
Speaker 1: very sociable or social guy. Yeah, you know what, So
Speaker 1: that part is true. But he is very smart, that's right, right,
Speaker 1: he really he might not even like be so aware
Speaker 1: of how smart he is, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I never think of Luke as not being completely up
Speaker 1: to the standards of the lawyer or whoever. He knows business,
Speaker 1: he knows life, he knows the school a hard knocks
Speaker 1: like he does at all. You know, I think I
Speaker 1: think he knows what works for him, right, He he
Speaker 1: knows himself, so you know there you go. Um, so
Speaker 1: you know there's there's there's a certain kind of wisdom
Speaker 1: that comes out of him from time to time or
Speaker 1: maybe more often than that. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think I think he likes being with her. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it's it's long term, and I think he
Speaker 1: still probably has a glimmer of hope for Laureline coming
Speaker 1: around somehow because that feeling. I think that feeling that
Speaker 1: tension is always there. Ye, it's always there. That doesn't
Speaker 1: go away with somebody when you feel it to that
Speaker 1: degree for somebody, I totally agree. Do you guys feel
Speaker 1: the same? Danielle and tar Like, Uh, how do I
Speaker 1: say this? Luke and Nicole are perfectly pleasant? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: are you? I'm not feeling the No. It just seems
Speaker 1: like someone there. It's just like they're dating each other
Speaker 1: just a phase. They're hanging out past time, but they're
Speaker 1: not each other's soulmates. But they get along and they
Speaker 1: like to flirt and they like to you know, hang
Speaker 1: out whatever, but not a soul mate like they're destined
Speaker 1: to be together. Vibe chemistry is not the same. And
Speaker 1: I think if Luke found somebody that he felt the
Speaker 1: same way about other than laurel La. That would happen
Speaker 1: very quickly. He would marry that girl very quickly. They
Speaker 1: would have children very you know, as soon as they could,
Speaker 1: because that's really what he feels for Laurela, right. And
Speaker 1: I do think Luke wants that. I do think he
Speaker 1: wants a partner. I do think he wants a family,
Speaker 1: like he wants all those things like it. I I
Speaker 1: see that. So when Laura La asked, as he going
Speaker 1: to propose, and he kind of was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't even think about it. Yeah, because it's the wrong girl,
Speaker 1: it's not the right I also think let's take one
Speaker 1: brief moment to compare. We're jumping to the end, but
Speaker 1: we're going to compare this moment with the dream at
Speaker 1: the end when Luke has that dream of Lorelize saying
Speaker 1: don't propose. I think she put that subconsciously into his
Speaker 1: head because it was her fear almost like she's saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna propose to almost like calm her own anxiety,
Speaker 1: like hoping you said no, And then that puts that
Speaker 1: into your head and you realize at the end you
Speaker 1: don't want to propose. Because you want her. I find
Speaker 1: a very imp like important parallel between those two scenes. Look,
Speaker 1: Manny's streaming about her right right. How many have you
Speaker 1: ever had some guy come up to you and say,
Speaker 1: you know, I had a dream about you last night
Speaker 1: based on the fact that I've never met you. Do Wait, Scott,
Speaker 1: you are nailing it though, It's it's so on the
Speaker 1: nose like it was. His dream is for her to say,
Speaker 1: don't hm, wow, yeah what he wants to hear? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was that? Just that was deep. Guys, only only
Speaker 1: one of one Laurel line. There's only one of those,
Speaker 1: and there's only one Luke, give yourself some cread no,
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm from from Luke's point of view
Speaker 1: that there's one of her. You know, they didn't make
Speaker 1: another one of her. She's she's one and a billion,
Speaker 1: and he knows it. And however quirky or inappropriate she is,
Speaker 1: she's very special, and she's very funny and warm and
Speaker 1: loving and and what a fun life. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, he brings out a sign in him that
Speaker 1: he buries, so I think I think he sees himself,
Speaker 1: he projects himself into a future with her where he
Speaker 1: feels like he could open up a little bit and
Speaker 1: start loosening up and and having some fun and having
Speaker 1: some laughs and and you said, I love that. You said,
Speaker 1: what a fun light. It would be more fun his
Speaker 1: his life. His life is tremendously fun. He's a you know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that gets up and works and he
Speaker 1: works all day and he works. That's that's what the
Speaker 1: fines that keeps him saying. And why do people do that?
Speaker 1: You know, why are people like that? Because you know
Speaker 1: they haven't found the one. They found them, they find
Speaker 1: the one. He's not working so much and she's like
Speaker 1: the bright light of all of stars hollow to be honest,
Speaker 1: like just keeps everyone going, Yeah, what about if that
Speaker 1: dream was actually okay? I had that moment to where
Speaker 1: I'm like wait, and he makes like was that real?
Speaker 1: What if Laura Lee had done that? And what if
Speaker 1: she had gone I didn't find it inappropriate? Like what
Speaker 1: if she had gone into the diner in reality and
Speaker 1: said like, hey, don't propose, what would you wait? You
Speaker 1: wouldn't have found that inappropriate? No I did. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it would have been too soon, because that's a
Speaker 1: moment that that you then you have to kiss I
Speaker 1: thought that you're right, right needed to happen in the dream,
Speaker 1: It could not happen in real life and needed to
Speaker 1: be the dream. Otherwise I don't think it would have
Speaker 1: spoken to Luke. Well maybe it would have, but like
Speaker 1: the only way for it to be somewhat appropriate is
Speaker 1: for Luke to dream that. But also it's not like
Speaker 1: like when when it happened. I was like lor Lte
Speaker 1: would say something like this up, you know, totally right,
Speaker 1: And I do think I want to go back to
Speaker 1: what Scott said is that it is Luke's dream. It
Speaker 1: is Luke's dream, not like she's in it and Luke
Speaker 1: is dreaming of her, stopping him from being with someone
Speaker 1: else essentially. So one other important, very important thing in
Speaker 1: this scene is that we learn that Luke will be
Speaker 1: at the graduation Wednesday at four, and I thought was important.
Speaker 1: That's his family, you know, their their family. They Gilmercy
Speaker 1: Luke as part of their pivotal clothes for group of people,
Speaker 1: because it's Suki, it's Jackson, it's Luke and the girls,
Speaker 1: and obviously Richard and Emily. But that's a very tight
Speaker 1: knit family. Yeah, yeah, I mean it made perfect sense
Speaker 1: to me and we'll talk about it when we get
Speaker 1: to the graduation scene that he was there. I know
Speaker 1: everybody has thoughts because I've I've already seen some of
Speaker 1: them in the group text. So we'll talk about the end. Okay.
Speaker 1: So we're at the Dragonfly and there is Luke checking
Speaker 1: it out. Bots they're just setting us up. That scene,
Speaker 1: was just setting us up for heartbreak, right, just setting
Speaker 1: us up for heartbreak, like you mean, like it's a
Speaker 1: money pit or was going to go wrong that it's
Speaker 1: that it's not a money pit, and that you're you're
Speaker 1: gonna be up and running four or five months, so
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, right, It's just laying the groundwork
Speaker 1: for for the bad news it's coming for the Independence
Speaker 1: In it's closing up and the you know and all that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's talk about that. Now. What did you
Speaker 1: all think when you realize like the independence In is
Speaker 1: no more man? Well, I think we kind of like
Speaker 1: saw it coming low, but I did find it really interesting. Okay,
Speaker 1: Can I just like, since I don't know what happens next,
Speaker 1: can I just throw something out there? Of course? Okay,
Speaker 1: So when Laura Lai was talking to the owners, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming Son like because she was like, oh you know, yeah, yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: She was saying, She's like, but Rory grows up, grew
Speaker 1: up here, like, but this is my job, you know,
Speaker 1: Like she was there. It's very The Independence in is
Speaker 1: very sentimental to Laura lia Um. And then he was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, she's probably just gonna put up for say so,
Speaker 1: I think she does a bait and switch and buys
Speaker 1: the Independence in. Oh you think that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: It doesn't, Okay, the clearly it's not what happened. Actually,
Speaker 1: Like off of that, there was a fan who says
Speaker 1: told us on Instagram that there was a deleted scene
Speaker 1: from this episode and I found it on YouTube and
Speaker 1: it's basically a flashback of Laurel and Rory now and
Speaker 1: like when Rory was a kid in the Independence in
Speaker 1: which I'm like, man, that should have been in the episode.
Speaker 1: I like, I like that scene too, Yeah, I really was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't in the episode. Yeah. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a great scene. I I really liked how they do
Speaker 1: it and you gotta I mean, it looked like Laurel
Speaker 1: I was probably what in her early twenties in that
Speaker 1: scene her. Yeah, it was like ten, do you think? Okay,
Speaker 1: so Laurel I was six. Yeah, that makes me think
Speaker 1: of something. Are there a lot of scenes you shet
Speaker 1: that do not make it even on this show because
Speaker 1: this show seems so tight and scripted. It was that rare.
Speaker 1: I think that was rare. Yeah, yeah that I I
Speaker 1: don't remember shooting a scene that didn't make it onto
Speaker 1: real final cut. Yeah, And I could be wrong, And
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some fans out there that know this
Speaker 1: and that they'll they'll school us. But I don't recall
Speaker 1: one scene being shown. It's not like every episode there's
Speaker 1: multiple scenes you shoot that never got in because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, these are very tight schedules and they're all
Speaker 1: timed out, you know, and they have to be in.
Speaker 1: There's also so many callbacks. I can't script. E would
Speaker 1: have a real mess on script, Like there's so many callbacks.
Speaker 1: Imagine if they're doing a scene like the reason that
Speaker 1: one worked is it was a very sort of um
Speaker 1: isolated scene because of the flashback situation that you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe they just had to dump it and it was
Speaker 1: just like a minute, like it wasn't even like long,
Speaker 1: so right, right, I really I really enjoyed that, so
Speaker 1: I was surprised they left it out. They had their reasons,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, but I enjoyed that scene. And Kirk
Speaker 1: has another job. We're going back, so many jobs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it is interesting that they're it's going to take
Speaker 1: five months or so, and then they have no jobs,
Speaker 1: like all of a sudden. That is sort of I
Speaker 1: guess we'll jump to that that all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: these guys are out of work and there I don't
Speaker 1: get the idea they any of them have a ton
Speaker 1: of dough in the bank like Luke does, for example,
Speaker 1: to last them six months no work. That one she
Speaker 1: has to pay for Yale, Yeah exactly, I mean, I guess. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. That's such an important part of
Speaker 1: this episode. What do you think about the fact one
Speaker 1: is that she was going to sacrifice the inn for
Speaker 1: Rory to Rory finds out because Suki sort of lets
Speaker 1: the cat out of the and then that Rory goes
Speaker 1: to the grandparents. Just let's talk about it. We know
Speaker 1: that these situations come about in the and the watching
Speaker 1: of the episode, because all roads lead back to the Gilmore's,
Speaker 1: I mean, Richard and Emily, all roads are going to
Speaker 1: end up back there because they have they hold the
Speaker 1: purse strings. So, uh, no surprise. I did like how
Speaker 1: Rory went back herself independently and laid out and made it,
Speaker 1: made that deal with Richard. I really enjoyed that scene.
Speaker 1: And you know, she got what she wanted, everybody got
Speaker 1: what they wanted. She had to explain to her mother
Speaker 1: later on, it's a win win win, everybody wins, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And Loaura hanging on to that
Speaker 1: sort of you know, that her her childhood trauma as
Speaker 1: she's wont to do, but it provides for necessary conflict
Speaker 1: to keep the story moving forward. Yeah, I get torn
Speaker 1: between that scene and this is kind of jumping ahead,
Speaker 1: but that scene between Rory and Loura La where Rory
Speaker 1: tells her what happens, and you know, Laura La, Rory
Speaker 1: is saying it's a win win for everyone. You know, like,
Speaker 1: this is good, this is great, and Lorala still tries
Speaker 1: to make it a little negative and it kind of
Speaker 1: bothered me a little bit. I get why she's doing
Speaker 1: that because she wants to give Rory low expectations, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm like, it's already done. Like,
Speaker 1: why do you have to say they're manipulating her. She's
Speaker 1: the one that went to went to them, and you know,
Speaker 1: like that kind of bothered me a little bit. And
Speaker 1: plus it's a celebration episode. Yeah, let's all. Can we
Speaker 1: just lay down our swords for you know, one afternoon
Speaker 1: here and not or a couple of days and not squabble. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's it's about coming together for Rory, celebrating Rory,
Speaker 1: and then you know, thereby we're celebrating ourselves and everybody's
Speaker 1: celebrating each other for their contributions. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if there was ever a moment to be family friendly, yeah,
Speaker 1: this was probably it. And yeah, I agree, she's still
Speaker 1: kind of chipping away. And at this point, Rory knows you,
Speaker 1: she knows who what her grandparents have done to her
Speaker 1: mom and vice versa, and she knows that strange relationship,
Speaker 1: but it's not her relationship with them. So it bothers
Speaker 1: me that Lorela tries to impose that on her. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, it's okay, let her figure it out herself.
Speaker 1: She knows what you went through. You don't have to
Speaker 1: keep going at it. You know what I thought, I
Speaker 1: had on the second go around watching this is do
Speaker 1: you guys think, and I I almost hate to pose this,
Speaker 1: do you think that Rory? I think Laura Lie was
Speaker 1: a great mother, but do you think she was too
Speaker 1: close to her own daughter and sort of you know,
Speaker 1: the seeds of failure were sown in that closeness where
Speaker 1: Lauraa Rory goes off and can't possibly succeed without her mommy.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think of that? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound too cynical, but no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think there are definite complications in their relationship because
Speaker 1: of how close they are, and that it does sometimes
Speaker 1: veer to that best friend thing and you can lose
Speaker 1: the mother daughter. I think I like it, but it
Speaker 1: does make it complicated because I see I see Roy
Speaker 1: trying to break out of that when she has to
Speaker 1: sort of mother her own mother and explain to her
Speaker 1: to win, win, win. That's not what a child does
Speaker 1: with their parents. The parent is supposed to know that, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that's why Danielle, you know, I had
Speaker 1: a little problem with that too. I thought she's she's
Speaker 1: just like, can't she just lay down her sword and
Speaker 1: celebrate this and didn't you think, I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: it was so heartwarming. I loved it. I loved this
Speaker 1: moment in the episode when you see how like happy
Speaker 1: isn't even the right word that Emily and Richard are, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are even like Emily was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: it was like Santa had just come and it was
Speaker 1: Christmas morning and they were eight like their faces and
Speaker 1: so perfectly acted. Because god, that scene was so brilliant
Speaker 1: when they make that deal and they're doing the deal
Speaker 1: and Richard's doing his thing and Emily's doing her thing
Speaker 1: and they couldn't have been happier to give her the money.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And Friday Night Dinners are reinstated, So
Speaker 1: I wish every loan was on the terms Richard's loan
Speaker 1: payback after five years zero. But it's also funny because
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, he's saying that, and then
Speaker 1: once five years comes, he's going to be like, you
Speaker 1: can do it in five more. Like he's not looking
Speaker 1: for in that. You know, Emily's like, this is an
Speaker 1: extra nine years of Friday Night dinners. So they would
Speaker 1: have given I'm certain of it. They would not have
Speaker 1: asked for Friday Night dinners. They wouldn't. They just would
Speaker 1: have been totally happy to pay. She offered it, and
Speaker 1: they were of course going to take it, but they
Speaker 1: it was not an obligation in the same way it
Speaker 1: was before, which I understand why they did before made
Speaker 1: it part of the deal. Well, they had no relationship before,
Speaker 1: so they're like, if we're gonna give you this money,
Speaker 1: we need to have a relationship, which I stand by.
Speaker 1: I think that they have a relationship with Rory. They
Speaker 1: know they have it, and they just wanted her to
Speaker 1: have the money. So I love that there's Friday night
Speaker 1: dinners back, but I don't think that Emily and Richard
Speaker 1: would have ever required them. I kind of agree with
Speaker 1: you on that, I do. I did have one question.
Speaker 1: I can't remember how far is Yale from the Gilmore's house,
Speaker 1: because how far is she driving for Friday night dinner
Speaker 1: new Haven to Hartford is I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: it's very look it up thirty minutes, I think she said,
Speaker 1: like minutes. Thirty minutes. Okay, yeah, it's not it's not
Speaker 1: that Hollow is further away from you. Yeah, yes, probably,
Speaker 1: I don't know an hour. I'm trying to find that
Speaker 1: our producer Jackie said, thirty seven minutes. Alright, not bad.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how long in Luke's truck and a
Speaker 1: half minutes This one was Luke's truck. There might be
Speaker 1: there's a hint of traffic right now in um and
Speaker 1: they have really big mosquitoes in Alaska. Let's get off
Speaker 1: on a tangent here. Okay, So so anyway, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: so and the car they threw in the car, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the gift. They were so happy that
Speaker 1: they could give it to her, which I was really happy, Lord,
Speaker 1: I said, yes, I love when they ended graduation, they
Speaker 1: walk out of the parking lot and there's like I
Speaker 1: didn't know there was I didn't know there were prices
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, I remember that she had a prius.
Speaker 1: It was very Leo. It was it was very like
Speaker 1: right on point, go Richard, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Talk about before we get to the speech. Let's just
Speaker 1: talk briefly about Paris being so cool with Rory being
Speaker 1: the valedictorian that did not try to sabotage, but why
Speaker 1: she was thrilled. I did the research, you know, like
Speaker 1: people that are victor statistics aren't favorable for future for mortality.
Speaker 1: So good for you, Rory. She's such a peach that parents.
Speaker 1: And then I did think it was funny, even though
Speaker 1: not nice, when they kept calling that guy a v
Speaker 1: geek and then they're like, pan, my body nice and slow.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was sort of a moment of
Speaker 1: levity and just sort of funny and and real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't have enough Michelle h but we we got
Speaker 1: a good one, good scene. Could not see him as
Speaker 1: a dancer. Why why wasn't he at the graduation? A
Speaker 1: great question? Why the heck wasn't the whole town there? Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I was like, you can't like the tickets,
Speaker 1: And I remember my family had a field day on
Speaker 1: who can come and who can't, so I first hand, no,
Speaker 1: that not everyone's going to make it. We took other
Speaker 1: family tickets, like one of my friends. One of my
Speaker 1: friends was like, I got one extra ticket, like, and
Speaker 1: that's all ticket. So we had a party at our
Speaker 1: house after my high school graduation so everyone could come,
Speaker 1: all right, So that makes sense, And then we understand
Speaker 1: even more how important it was that Luke was picked,
Speaker 1: Jackson was picked, Suki was picked. Yeah, yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: not going to be Michelle over Luke or Miss Patty
Speaker 1: or bad beat. But they could throw them to throw
Speaker 1: her a party once she went and she got back right. Well,
Speaker 1: they were leaving the next morning for um really the
Speaker 1: very next morning. Wow, where they were out of They
Speaker 1: got out of town fast. Yeah. What do you think
Speaker 1: about the scene? And it actually, for me was quite
Speaker 1: heartbreaking when Lorelei comes over and like, let's get out
Speaker 1: the champagne with Suki and Jackson, and it's basically telling
Speaker 1: them like they're all out of a job, but she's
Speaker 1: trying to like glass half full. I watched it twice,
Speaker 1: and I think the first time I was like, why
Speaker 1: is she doing this? Is so mean? But the second
Speaker 1: time I was like, well, Suki is pregnant, so I
Speaker 1: don't I don't. I don't think she wants to stress
Speaker 1: her out. That's a good point, Yeah, good point. And
Speaker 1: I also think that she was probably so overwhelmed because
Speaker 1: that's where she raised, that's where they first went, that's
Speaker 1: where you know, that's I'll never forget. I'll never forget
Speaker 1: when when I when we decided to sell our home
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and you know how my wife reacted
Speaker 1: to that. And how we all reacted to it. Boy,
Speaker 1: this is the place where we had our son. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like that's a big deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's such an important point because one is I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they have no jobs, money, money, money,
Speaker 1: But the emotional conrections, it's it's too much to to
Speaker 1: to feel, it's too much to acknowledge. So you want
Speaker 1: to go the other way with it and just hey,
Speaker 1: let's let's look at the bright side of this and
Speaker 1: let's stay positive. Yeah, it was. It was actually an
Speaker 1: act of real strength, you know, on Laurelized part to
Speaker 1: try to keep everybody pumped up about it. They do
Speaker 1: have something essentially to look forward to with the end
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, we did have that hiccup
Speaker 1: where suddenly they can't they're not going to have the end,
Speaker 1: but it's like they do have things positive to look
Speaker 1: forward to if they can just make it there. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the town meeting, which I have a lot. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the town meeting was sort of obviously the impetus
Speaker 1: for Rory and Dean to have their moment, so we
Speaker 1: can talk about you know, if you guys have any
Speaker 1: thoughts about the town meeting, or we can just go
Speaker 1: to the conversation. I think go to the conversation. I
Speaker 1: felt that this was perfect. I loved it so much
Speaker 1: because it was a way for Rory to say, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for everything. This is what I got out
Speaker 1: of it. I'm sorry for what happened. Thank you for
Speaker 1: being the best to me and for standing up to me.
Speaker 1: But now I know that you're with Lindsay, please pick
Speaker 1: a gift I want and look at over look over
Speaker 1: this catalog. So two thousand three, look over this catalog,
Speaker 1: sticky tab. Yeah, and she goes with Lindsay and tell
Speaker 1: me what you guys want and that's my gift. And
Speaker 1: I thought that was so mature of her. I just
Speaker 1: I loved I loved that whole bit. And you know
Speaker 1: they say goodbye at the end, you know, goodbye, goodbye Rory,
Speaker 1: goodbye Dean, you know whatever however they said it. But
Speaker 1: I was just like, that really made me feel good
Speaker 1: after watching that. I agree, And this episode was I
Speaker 1: mean sorry, This scene was actually right before um the
Speaker 1: when when Rory goes to Emily and Richards and I
Speaker 1: think back to back, these two scenes just showed how
Speaker 1: mature she's she's spelling over the years, like she's being
Speaker 1: um you know, responsible for just everything that happened with Dean,
Speaker 1: and then she's also being responsible for her um yale money.
Speaker 1: So I think it just showed a lot of growth
Speaker 1: in this episode for her. Yeah, I agree, those two.
Speaker 1: Those two fit very well together, Dean and Rory. They're
Speaker 1: very It looks good, it feels good. They're comfortable with
Speaker 1: each other. I like them together, you know, or I
Speaker 1: like him as friends, you know, so they belong in
Speaker 1: each other's lives. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was very lovely,
Speaker 1: just because it really really loved prior to this, Like
Speaker 1: the scene between Dean and Rory was basically Rory saying
Speaker 1: why why why are you getting married? Why? You know,
Speaker 1: like she was like all up in arms about it
Speaker 1: and now she's and then her boyfriend gets in like
Speaker 1: a full on altercation, knockdown brawl within the important reality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you really think about it, Dean gets fully dumped
Speaker 1: by this girl, fully like practically cheated on and done,
Speaker 1: not exactly cheated on, but like close like next hour
Speaker 1: making that with Jess yea then get then Jess is
Speaker 1: like so hateful towards this poor guy. Then they get
Speaker 1: like a brawl. It's just like a fact that Dean
Speaker 1: is still friends with Rory. Honestly, I love you, Dean.
Speaker 1: I love him. I love his character so much. I
Speaker 1: think he's just such a He's so fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just like every Dean scene. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm very team Dean. I am. I hate That's why
Speaker 1: he's a star. Yeah, yeah, he has that quit. He's
Speaker 1: got that magnetic quality where you can't take your eyes off.
Speaker 1: Ye just got this like how Like I used to
Speaker 1: think that jess In and Rory had chemistry when he
Speaker 1: first came on the scene, but now I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 1: there's just so much like but between what is your
Speaker 1: prediction as we're wrapping up season three for Dean and
Speaker 1: Rory or maybe Dean and Lindsay, just what do you think? Well,
Speaker 1: I do you know one spoiler about Dean, so I
Speaker 1: know that eventually comes back around. But I do think
Speaker 1: Dean gets married, um, and I do think comes back.
Speaker 1: This isn't This is definitely not the end of jess.
Speaker 1: He's coming back, and that's that's all I know in
Speaker 1: my head. Could you imagine if they left jess just
Speaker 1: then the ends and just lives in vena speech with
Speaker 1: that button up shirt, I know, leather jacket. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: we kind of touched on this, but Scott, do we
Speaker 1: all feel that Rory did the right thing by sort
Speaker 1: of making peace with Dean? And do we think she
Speaker 1: did the right thing by going to Emily and Richard
Speaker 1: for the money? Is Rory really kind of nailing this,
Speaker 1: like doing all the right things by everybody. She's tying
Speaker 1: up blues ends, Yeah, she's but and she's stepping up
Speaker 1: to get what she wants. And she's helping her mother
Speaker 1: out at the same time, who's stressed out financially. She's
Speaker 1: helping out her grandparents who want, you know, see her.
Speaker 1: You're right, So she right, you know, she is doing
Speaker 1: thing for them. You're right. And I think she was
Speaker 1: right to reconcile with Dean and get some closure there
Speaker 1: and and you know, potentially have a nice warm friendship
Speaker 1: going forward. Um. And I think she was right to
Speaker 1: let Jess go because what kind of you know, who
Speaker 1: calls and doesn't say anything and then just listens and
Speaker 1: then hangs up. I mean, please, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this is an option for your future. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: Now we'll save the speech for the for the end.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. What did you all think about
Speaker 1: how that went down? What just like calling and not
Speaker 1: talking and it didn't track for me? Yea, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: very like first of all, who calls multiple times and
Speaker 1: just like it is breathing any other line like you.
Speaker 1: But he was he was a heavy coming but like
Speaker 1: in my head, but he okay, But thing is, let's
Speaker 1: let's let's just let's just rewind here a little bit.
Speaker 1: We we we have to realize how much pain Justice
Speaker 1: in and how confused he is and how his world
Speaker 1: is just blown apart. His dad doesn't want him, his
Speaker 1: mom doesn't want him, he's got Luke kicked him out.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants him, and he doesn't feel worthy. He does,
Speaker 1: but he wants he's hanging on. You know, that phone
Speaker 1: call scared me. Actually, this is what kind of phone
Speaker 1: call with somebody hangs up and it's like they make
Speaker 1: a decision. You know, it's like that kind of depression
Speaker 1: and loneliness. I mean, that guy needs somebody to reach out.
Speaker 1: He really needs help. You know. It really hurt me,
Speaker 1: It really really really hurt me, you know, so we
Speaker 1: can you know, listen. I I get this way too,
Speaker 1: and everybody does you get all judgey about things because
Speaker 1: it's just a TV show, But but look at the
Speaker 1: look at the character, look at what he's going through,
Speaker 1: and it's it's and that was a lifeline for him.
Speaker 1: That was a call that he didn't have to say it,
Speaker 1: but the call really meant saved me. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: thought that he cared so much for Rory that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't mess graduation up. I thought he would have him
Speaker 1: calling the day before, day after whatever. I would like, Yes,
Speaker 1: I would have agreed with you, Scott, And I do
Speaker 1: get the point that you're saying, But I'm also like,
Speaker 1: the one day he should have left alone was her
Speaker 1: graduation day he left, so he needs to leave her
Speaker 1: alone too. In my brain, see, I thought that maybe
Speaker 1: that was his moment that he was trying to say
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, to make it up and bring around like
Speaker 1: everything and say I'm sorry on graduation day because he
Speaker 1: knows it's so important to her. But I see your
Speaker 1: point as well, like he should have thought it could
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a stretch, but I feel
Speaker 1: like he really gets her and they are very in
Speaker 1: tune that he is calling repeatedly and staying on the
Speaker 1: line for that moment where she's going to say what
Speaker 1: she needed to say. Interesting, that's a good point. So
Speaker 1: he's calling repeatedly and like she probably just keeps hanging up,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? That actually just very Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a noble act to let her go, give
Speaker 1: her the he's giving her that moment giving because he
Speaker 1: can't do it. He can't, he can't break it. He
Speaker 1: knows he's not good for her, and he wants to
Speaker 1: give her that the best for her to like Jess
Speaker 1: always wanted the best, even though he may not show
Speaker 1: it at all times, Like he always thinks of her
Speaker 1: in a very positive way and and wants her to
Speaker 1: do well. And the reason I believe that also is
Speaker 1: because I believe Amy Sherman Palladino knew exactly what she
Speaker 1: was doing, and that we would have been left to wonder,
Speaker 1: was that Jess. We all know it's Jess, but they
Speaker 1: make it very clear. They shoot a scene with him
Speaker 1: to make it very clear that he is there on
Speaker 1: the pay phone. He's still in Venice. Obviously, we still
Speaker 1: have our you know, hopes and dreams of the spinoff,
Speaker 1: but that that is to me, that was I don't
Speaker 1: know that he was beings. I agree with Scott and
Speaker 1: that he's in a bad place and does need someone
Speaker 1: to reach out to him and love him. And maybe
Speaker 1: we're to assume that Jimmy comes back around, but that
Speaker 1: he's giving her that opportunity to say her piece so
Speaker 1: that she can go off for the summer feeling as
Speaker 1: best as she can and then really enjoy Yale. It's
Speaker 1: actually a very beautiful scene. Yeah, I love that Rory
Speaker 1: put it all out there, like everything she said, like
Speaker 1: when she goes, I think I may have loved you,
Speaker 1: you know, like even that, it just was Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was so. It was so Alexis Bladele is like ridiculously
Speaker 1: an amazing actress. She really is good. She's very natural
Speaker 1: and very fluid. So here comes another hot topic before
Speaker 1: we get to the speech. What do you all think
Speaker 1: the fact that Christopher is not there? It's like, Daniel,
Speaker 1: I cannot be more pissed about anything other than that,
Speaker 1: Like that that made that made me more mad than
Speaker 1: just calling to be Then they did. The writers did
Speaker 1: their job. Yeah, I was mad. I was just like
Speaker 1: you are her father, I don't care you if you
Speaker 1: have another baby somewhere else you show up if you
Speaker 1: have a relationship with your daughter and you are trying
Speaker 1: to do that, and not only that, but like you've
Speaker 1: been correcting all your wrongs with your new baby, like
Speaker 1: you still got time with Rory, like don't mess this up,
Speaker 1: and he's doing it again. I was just pissed. It
Speaker 1: was both. I was actually wondering why, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: a ticket thing. We never know, but it was both
Speaker 1: Christopher and Lane. Why weren't they both at the graduation?
Speaker 1: Because I thought, I know, there's there's three more, there's
Speaker 1: one more, there's three. Why wasn't Max Medina there? Right?
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that one? He's there? Is he still?
Speaker 1: Is he still there? I know he came back, but
Speaker 1: like he's from Stanford. Here's the thought, here's the thought.
Speaker 1: Should this Should this have been a separate episode? Just
Speaker 1: throwing it out there. You're saying, there's so much happening
Speaker 1: that you would have liked this to be like a
Speaker 1: two part I don't know if I'd have liked it,
Speaker 1: but I'm just you know, I'm just throwing it out there.
Speaker 1: What do you think could this episode just the graduation
Speaker 1: and all the interactions with all the Chiltern people and
Speaker 1: anybody directly involved with Chiltern. Uh could that have been
Speaker 1: a standalone episode? What I see where you're going with it,
Speaker 1: and that there's a lot happening. But I think that's
Speaker 1: very Gilmore, a lot of meat in the sandwich. I
Speaker 1: was sort of happy that they didn't make me linger
Speaker 1: more at graduation. They moved me through graduation shows that
Speaker 1: graduation is so long where you're like, let's just get like,
Speaker 1: we know you're graduating, let's get over with. But that
Speaker 1: speech was like exactly what we needed. It's like a
Speaker 1: bad TV wedding when it's just can we get through
Speaker 1: the wedding? I need to know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But that's that this is not your your average writing staff.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't need more of Brad's speech, just plenty,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. But also I feel like in high school,
Speaker 1: like when you're graduating high school, like that scene where
Speaker 1: they were doing like the goodbye video and the conversation
Speaker 1: with parents, like that's kind of your last moment with
Speaker 1: your your peers in school. Anyway, like graduation day is
Speaker 1: really about you and your family. It's not really about
Speaker 1: about your point, you know, the teacher, like I don't
Speaker 1: even think I talked to a teacher like like graduation day,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think it was more about the family.
Speaker 1: I did think that it was perfect, and Scott, you'll
Speaker 1: be able to comment the physical comedy of Melissam over
Speaker 1: the people mind. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I suck. I suck.
Speaker 1: Also the architecture of Chilton. That was a good joke.
Speaker 1: Suki was like, you guys may think I'm like, but
Speaker 1: I was here before all of you guys, and she's
Speaker 1: just like fiddling through the chairs and just like she's
Speaker 1: so good. I love we talk about Luke Lukey, Um,
Speaker 1: look at Jackson with the insurance. Jackson was such a
Speaker 1: dad thing to do, Like, yeah, how much to ensure this?
Speaker 1: And Richard's ready to talk about probably approaching six figures
Speaker 1: and they're like, actually, before we talk about the valedictorian speech.
Speaker 1: I did take note. And I don't know if somebody
Speaker 1: had a real brain that Geller and Gilmore would be
Speaker 1: next to each other for to get their diplomas that
Speaker 1: one more moment. So sorry. I was like, somebody really
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing when they named it's so
Speaker 1: funny you say that because on another show that I'm watching, Um,
Speaker 1: they took roll call and someone with the last name
Speaker 1: l was listed off first, and it was like all
Speaker 1: out of order because it was the main characters, right,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, okay, like lor lyon and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Rory and Paris are back to back. This
Speaker 1: makes sense and we do get the Luke im your
Speaker 1: pen call back to Oh yeah, that was great. Also,
Speaker 1: the whole Emily and Richard seating saga was had me
Speaker 1: the space between laughing right between. So you always assume
Speaker 1: that I carry pens with me everywhere I go call back.
Speaker 1: So Scott, you first, what did you think about the speech?
Speaker 1: Was beautifully written, beautifully performed, very very moving. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: it got me. It really got me when you know,
Speaker 1: it was very satisfying that she honored Richard and Emily. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then she moved on to her mom and that
Speaker 1: was extra special. I mean, I I think you got
Speaker 1: to be battery powered if you didn't feel anything there,
Speaker 1: because it sure made me feel. Yeah. It was maybe
Speaker 1: the nicest moment on the show. Those those moments were
Speaker 1: so far in the first three seasons. Those were spectacular moments.
Speaker 1: You know, real fulfillment, you know, real full circle moments,
Speaker 1: you know everything. Richard and Emily wanted, Yeah that shout
Speaker 1: out and that landed right in their lap, and Rory
Speaker 1: just showed her respect and it was it was wonderful, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so genuine. Yeah. I also liked Laura Lyons. He
Speaker 1: were like, don't cry, don't cry, like you know, because
Speaker 1: like we're are here on the couch bawling like about
Speaker 1: you guys. And I was like, I was probably crying
Speaker 1: and they're just trying so hard to keep us together.
Speaker 1: But it was such a Gilmore thing to do. It
Speaker 1: was that little back and forth banter during her speech
Speaker 1: was just so spot on. It's just obvious that like
Speaker 1: Rory is the reason that that family is together, I guess. Well.
Speaker 1: And then the sticking the tongues out when they're when's
Speaker 1: the very gilmourray. So I didn't mention this earlier when
Speaker 1: we talked briefly about Christopher. To me, yes, it's terrible
Speaker 1: that Christopher is not there and I don't even understand it.
Speaker 1: But Luke is the dad in a sense. He was like, ticket, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I guess dad, like not really, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think he you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't really have a close relationship with Rory, right, I
Speaker 1: mean he was dad at a distance. He was dad
Speaker 1: at a distance. That's fine. He was a protector at
Speaker 1: a distance. And you're not inviting the random dude from
Speaker 1: the or to your graduation. You're inviting the male figure
Speaker 1: in your life. I mean, he's been there since she
Speaker 1: was a baby. This she's she's been bringing her bringing
Speaker 1: a little baby Roy into the diner since she was born. Right,
Speaker 1: So Luke's been there, you know, playing with her and
Speaker 1: Couci Couci and the whole thing. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: been seventeen years. Speaking of missing parents, Paris's parents not
Speaker 1: being there. They love her, They literally love her. I
Speaker 1: was so happy for parents that she had people there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm so happy for her.
Speaker 1: So then I guess let's talk about the back in Chilton.
Speaker 1: And maybe this is why they didn't include the in
Speaker 1: scene because they're almost sort of similar scenes in a sense.
Speaker 1: The deleted she did during the ceremony, she told her
Speaker 1: that she got in. Yeah she did, right, But maybe
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking is maybe the reason they dumped the
Speaker 1: deed deleted scene is because we sort of have a
Speaker 1: similar moment at Chilton when they go in to carve
Speaker 1: their name and they take that moment and it looks
Speaker 1: so big, but they say, this isn't scary anymore. Maybe
Speaker 1: they sort of felt that just played better. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was just another moment for me that lor Lae
Speaker 1: is is growing up, you know, just like the Dean scene,
Speaker 1: the going to Richard and Emily is to you know,
Speaker 1: not being scared of Childen anymore. I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: she is, she has grown up, she has a young
Speaker 1: she she she came out on top at Chilton and
Speaker 1: she had her choice of Harvard Princeton or Yale. What
Speaker 1: an accomplishment and in two years or you know what
Speaker 1: is she three years? Did she come in there as
Speaker 1: a sophomore? Yeah, that's right. So yeah, you can they
Speaker 1: even acknowledge it somewhere. I think Headmaster l Headmaster oh
Speaker 1: my God, even mentions it in his introduction terms. It's
Speaker 1: quite an accomplishment, I mean, really quite an accomplishment. And
Speaker 1: then I and I love the deleted scene because it's
Speaker 1: it talks about books, and it talks about how you
Speaker 1: more rooms to stack your books and yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: tells me what great mother she is, right, I wanted that.
Speaker 1: I really like that scene. I also thought in the
Speaker 1: introduction that Headmaster Charleston said when he said competitive when
Speaker 1: she needs to be, and I thought, oh, his intro
Speaker 1: for her, it was very cool and accurate, and I
Speaker 1: just you can tell that every word in this episode
Speaker 1: is important, every single detail is important. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: when you grow up that way, you know, just reading, reading,
Speaker 1: read reading. If you were a bookish person and you're
Speaker 1: intellectually curious from the time you're a small child, you're
Speaker 1: still going to be challenged at places like that, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna end up on top because your habits are
Speaker 1: so home, they're so refined. So she couldn't lose. You know,
Speaker 1: the seeds were planted a long, long time ago, so
Speaker 1: she couldn't. She wasn't going to you know, Paris was
Speaker 1: never going to defeat her. You know, it just wasn't
Speaker 1: going to happen. Mhm. So how many out of ten
Speaker 1: diplomas do you give this up? An? We've missed the scene?
Speaker 1: What do we miss we missed? When Luke tells lor
Speaker 1: Lie he's not going on the trip, he tells her, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At the graduation, he tells he tells her he's not
Speaker 1: going on the trip. Wait, and Loa lies like I
Speaker 1: didn't ruin it. I didn't ruin it, right, and look, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But then he says he is going to go no,
Speaker 1: but then he goes, right, but I think it was no,
Speaker 1: you were just trying to get perfect. Came to it
Speaker 1: as I'm not going on the trip, and she was like,
Speaker 1: oh I did I did I ruin it? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I say sorry, blah blah blah blah, and then he goes, well,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to lead her on, Like
Speaker 1: do you think that's like after all that we've been
Speaker 1: you know, we've been through. That's like I took it
Speaker 1: as Luke and Laurela what they've been through and then
Speaker 1: and she was like no, of course not. And then
Speaker 1: he was like okay, well then yeah, okay. And but
Speaker 1: like he came to that conversation with I'm not going
Speaker 1: to then kind of being like, oh, maybe it's okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Lucas as confused as I am.
Speaker 1: I'm like, was he asking was she asking Laurelized permission
Speaker 1: to go on the cruise, who goes what is it?
Speaker 1: Was it a chuck right, because that's reality? That is
Speaker 1: a great, great way to ask. He like he dangled
Speaker 1: the carrot. He's like, I'm not going on the trip
Speaker 1: because he wanted Lorala to say thank God. He wanted
Speaker 1: his dreams to reality, and when it didn't, he said
Speaker 1: that I'm going on the trip. Yeah as well, Alaska
Speaker 1: has big mosquitoes. I think you both just nailed it,
Speaker 1: Scott and Danielle. And Scott you kind of alluded to
Speaker 1: this earlier. I think Luke doesn't doesn't really know what
Speaker 1: he wants because he doesn't want to just not have
Speaker 1: Nicole if there is no lore Lie for him. But
Speaker 1: it's so obvious to him that he's really just with
Speaker 1: Nicole waiting. I think this is aiding time. I think
Speaker 1: he wants to be with lore Lee, but he wants
Speaker 1: LORELEI to want him to, so he's like, I really
Speaker 1: like her, but it's what is it if she's not
Speaker 1: in on it too? He rather, but he'd rather Nicole
Speaker 1: than no one. He doesn't. He doesn't want to get
Speaker 1: his heart all smashed into bids. He makes his move
Speaker 1: and it ultimately doesn't work. Not even just his heart,
Speaker 1: but his entire community. Like there goes Rory, there goes
Speaker 1: you know, Suki and Jackson, because like all these people
Speaker 1: are tied to Lord Lie, so he can't screw it up,
Speaker 1: you know. Like that's how I see it. I think
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, everybody's going to be friends.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gotta like out. You know, he's
Speaker 1: got to close up the shop and get the heck
Speaker 1: out of He doesn't want to ruin. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to ruin the relationship he has with all those people.
Speaker 1: Now I know that, But I mean, look, at a
Speaker 1: certain point, he's got to put his big boy pants
Speaker 1: on and take a step up, you know. Because Uh, anyway,
Speaker 1: let's do favorite lines. Yeah, let me go first. Uh
Speaker 1: you know there was one other line I think, Well,
Speaker 1: I love the Luke line. Why you assume that I
Speaker 1: carry pens with me everywhere I go? Made me laugh
Speaker 1: out loud. There was another there was another line that,
Speaker 1: Uh it was Louise said it. What did Louise say, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a little quick line? It was what
Speaker 1: did she say? Um? Was it not the Uh? This
Speaker 1: is the best I'm going to look in all my life.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no. They were sitting down,
Speaker 1: she was sitting next to Madeline. They said a line anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll come back to it, Amy, what was your favorite?
Speaker 1: Obviously I love don't get engaged. Even though it was
Speaker 1: in the dream, there was another line that I thought
Speaker 1: really was important. Basically, it's when lord Lyne Rory are
Speaker 1: talking I think in the hallway and she's saying, Yale
Speaker 1: is my thing. I needed financing and I got it,
Speaker 1: and lord Lee says something to the effect of I
Speaker 1: just want there to be a time when we're all
Speaker 1: getting exactly what we want, and Rory says, just softly,
Speaker 1: we'll see if we can arrange that sometimes. And I
Speaker 1: just thought that really is their relationship, of her being
Speaker 1: the voice of reason and the calm. So that really
Speaker 1: stood out to me. It wasn't a fun line, it
Speaker 1: was something that meant something to me. I'm gonna pull
Speaker 1: I'm going to pull a mine from the Rory and
Speaker 1: Jess combo or just Rory to the telephone combo. Um.
Speaker 1: She goes, okay, so goodbye. That sounds really layman stupid
Speaker 1: right now, but there it is. Goodbye. Mm hmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, great, I'm gonna give this many diplomas. Uh gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a ten out of ten. I really
Speaker 1: liked it. I thought it was a great episode, really great,
Speaker 1: really really great. What what about you? Tara? That's my
Speaker 1: favorite of the whole series. The Danielle nine point five
Speaker 1: out of ten, nine point five A nine. I mean,
Speaker 1: I loved it. Like, that's a lot of diplomas, but
Speaker 1: half a diploma for Danielle is Christopher. That was Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was pissed. Should we read some of the fan
Speaker 1: thoughts because we did say that we were going to
Speaker 1: do that just really quickly. Uh, Tara, you pick three,
Speaker 1: I'll pick three. Um uh, you want to go first
Speaker 1: or I can go first. So we asked them what
Speaker 1: We asked our fans what their thoughts were about this episode.
Speaker 1: Um so one of them said, each each season is
Speaker 1: stronger for the three seasons, and each characters has had
Speaker 1: at least one moment to shine. I agree, A lot
Speaker 1: of best best episodes ever, um, a lot of I
Speaker 1: cry every single time I watched this episode. UM, happy
Speaker 1: Friday Night Dinners were reinstated. UM, Rory speeches beyond emotional
Speaker 1: and I cry every time. Um, this episode always felt
Speaker 1: like a series finale, very little cliffhanger in a lot
Speaker 1: of emotion. I actually agree. I was like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if they Scott, I don't know, was this supposed to
Speaker 1: end after season three? Like or did you guys get
Speaker 1: picked up right away? Because it's a little question. Oh no, No,
Speaker 1: of course we were. Yeah, we were a ratings juggernaut
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, because especially if they weren't even
Speaker 1: discussing doing a spinaff were like, if you're watching it now,
Speaker 1: like you're like, oh, I guess it could have ended
Speaker 1: right there if it only was three seasons, you know,
Speaker 1: said up thirty seasons. Thirty seasons, yea, even after we died,
Speaker 1: they'd still be filming episodes, you know, their progeny or something. UM.
Speaker 1: A couple other fan thoughts. The phone call between jessin
Speaker 1: Rury felt things so unfinished for me, um, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite episodes. UM. And let's see why did Richard
Speaker 1: and Emily have disappointed reactions that buying a car for
Speaker 1: Rory was a win win for Laurelai. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: That's a great because they did all right. So I
Speaker 1: got a couple of things my crack team has unearthed
Speaker 1: some Yeah, here we go. All right, so we have
Speaker 1: a clown pillow sighting at eighteen I got eighteen thirty
Speaker 1: about thirty time marker. When the group first sits down
Speaker 1: at the graduation, Luke is sitting on the aisle, but
Speaker 1: at Richard and Emily joined them. Suddenly another couple of
Speaker 1: sitting in the aisle seats, presumably to set up the
Speaker 1: visual gag of Suki climbing over them multiple times. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: all right, so I did. I did. The actress that
Speaker 1: played Paris as nanny also played a maid in season
Speaker 1: two Like Mother, Like Daughter the Fashion Show episode uh.
Speaker 1: And and I want to also make a note this
Speaker 1: is from Lauren's book The Blonde Girl. Uh. Sitting behind
Speaker 1: Paris and Rory at the graduation ceremony is Lauren's real
Speaker 1: life sister No yeah, yeah, yeah, half sister yeah or
Speaker 1: some sorry step sisters thanky um. When Rory is talking
Speaker 1: to Jess on the phone, she says, you ended up
Speaker 1: not taking me to my prom, but it was his
Speaker 1: prom they were played to attend. She should have said,
Speaker 1: you ended up not taking me to your prom? And
Speaker 1: he way, there you go anyway? The scene on that note,
Speaker 1: on that I was bummed that we never saw Dave,
Speaker 1: Regalski and Lane at the prom. We know it happened,
Speaker 1: and just got the box of pictures complete. That bum
Speaker 1: whole massive hole. I have not recovered from that, No,
Speaker 1: absolutely massive hole. The scene where Laurea la enters a
Speaker 1: diner and tells Luke not to get engaged. A surprising
Speaker 1: number of fans out there completely missed the fact that
Speaker 1: this is a dream sequence, right right, right right. Um.
Speaker 1: The two deleted scenes where Louise can't remember which of
Speaker 1: her father's ex wives mother is kind of hilarious and
Speaker 1: the creative, but a lot of people say lackluster scene
Speaker 1: with current day Laura, Lee and Rory intertwined with flashback
Speaker 1: Laurel and Rory. I act really really enjoyed that scene. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there you go. That's season three wrap up, everybody, Thank
Speaker 1: you ladies. Next episode season four, episode one, the premiere
Speaker 1: is called Ballroom and Biscotty. I'm excited to see how
Speaker 1: things change. It's going to be you know, we'll take
Speaker 1: the summer off, not us. We're gonna be back at
Speaker 1: its European backpacking vacations for this gang. That's part of
Speaker 1: the budget. I think we're all going to meet in
Speaker 1: Vegas pretty soon. We'll be backpacking today. We have some
Speaker 1: exciting things coming, like some very special things. So the
Speaker 1: season four premiere is coming soon. But everyone, we've got
Speaker 1: some special things coming right before that. Okay, good enough anyway, gang,
Speaker 1: Thanks again, Tara su, Daniel Romo, and Miss Sugarman. That's
Speaker 1: going to wrap it up for this episode. Thank you
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