WEBVTT - I'm blubbering. You're freaks! (S3 E22 "Those Are Strings, Pinocchio”) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:18.440 I am all in. I am all in with Scott 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.720 Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.160 I am all in podcast. I'm joining with Tower sud 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:30.440 Daniel Romo, Amy Sugarman. We are going to take a 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.880 crack at the season finale, Season three, episode two. Those 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:39.360 are strings, Pinocchio, Danielle take it away? Alrighty er date 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:44.320 me three and everyone knows this episode one of the 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:48.640 biggest episodes of Gilmore Girls. So I've been told, um 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.520 it's Rory's graduation day. But before she gives her moving 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.680 speech that makes everyone cry, she finds a solution in 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.560 paying for Yale so that Lorelai can still buy the 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.760 Dragonfly in with Suki. Luke is supposed to go on 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.360 a trip with Nicole, but will one dream make him 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.760 realize something he has never admitted to himself. Plus, Richard 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.280 and Emily by Rory a car as a gift, So 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.480 nice of them. And finally, Rory says her piece to 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:19.880 Jess as he mysteriously calls right after her ceremony. Happy graduation. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.759 I'm gonna tell you this is this is the best 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:28.480 episode that I have seen in this entire three seasons. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:33.440 This was unbelievable. Girls, What do you think for me? Um? 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.240 This is actually my favorite episode of the whole series 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.120 as a Gilmore Girls fan. This episode represents what the 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.480 show is about. It's about Rory and Lorelai and their 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.600 love for each other. And that's what that speech was about, right, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.080 So that's what That's why it's my favorite episode. And 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.480 the part where she goes to um, Emily and Richard 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.440 and she's like, here's the thing, this is my thing. 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.320 I want to go to this school. I want you 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.480 to kind of like get Lorala out of trouble in 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.200 a sense. But Rory's doing it and she's now the adult. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.560 So this whole episode to me was it was full circle. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.119 But it was also the end of like chapter one 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:17.480 Gilmore into chapter two. Okay, hands show hands. Who cried? 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:23.840 Oh god obviously multiple times? Oh cried Danielle. Did you cry? No? No, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.400 no tears, no tears, not even a welling, welling. They 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.000 didn't have to stream down your face, just and did you? 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:37.919 I was yeah, I cried real tears, like we'll wipe 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.880 the face at the end of the show. Shocking, shocking. Um. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.320 But but but it's like, but that speech, Rory's speech 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.480 and when she thanked her grandparents and told her mother. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.000 I mean, yeah, I was. I wasn't like it wasn't 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.240 like the water works, but it was. It was. It 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.200 was very movie anyway, did did you? We'll get to that. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.520 We'll get to that because I want to think. I 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.840 think it made me even cry more seeing Suki and 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:06.000 Lauraa crying trying not to cry, and then Luke is crying, 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:10.400 and then I'm crying. It's like a contagious yawn. So 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.320 take us through it. Let's start from the beginning, because 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.200 this was a very wait wait wait, very special episode, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.520 very very But before we get into it, I need 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:25.639 to ask both you and Danielle, what do you think 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.680 is is coming like? Because daniel has never seen it. Scott, 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.680 do you remember anything? I remember a lot, but I 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:40.560 don't know what you're referring to what's coming in season four? Correct? Alright, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.480 I don't know. I kind of ultimately no, well, I 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.040 mean I remember that that that pivotal scene, and I 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.480 think I know what you're referring to the numeroo smooth 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:58.440 your rooney, right, don't But I'm no spoilers, No, we're not. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:04.000 I'm not saying for who so because it's fun for 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:08.520 everybody because you are the virgin here God. Yes, which 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.960 I still think that was a good time. So what 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.600 do you think is going to happen? Let's let's say 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:19.159 with with Luke. What do you let's talk about Luke. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:24.640 What do you predict? Okay, well, I predict that season 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.400 four is going to be the Luke and Lorle show. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.599 But to get there, I think that Luke and Nicole 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:38.280 are going on this vacation. They're packing up. He's meeting 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:43.160 her at the dock. He's got his suitcases. She thinks 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:56.080 she's in a Rainca cigarette. You all know what I mean. Okay, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.280 the boat pulls up, talking in there and Luca's like, 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:00.960 I gotta do something before I get on the boat. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.280 I'll meet you on there. And then he's like running 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.480 to the dog whatever the hell you call it. And 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.560 then he goes, Nope, this isn't what I want, and 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:18.240 he makes it. You turn. She's on the boat and 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.400 he's like, I can't do it. She's on the boat, 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.680 and then he goes to the goes to the house, 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.920 knocks on the door and he's like, Lola, I want this, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.880 and then they have that numerous off at a sign 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.160 shop and they make him a sign I love you, Laurela. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.520 I puts it on top of this car. I like 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:41.599 that added detail. Since he's wearing a trench coat. Did 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:50.279 he get his boom up? Definitely, something along those lines. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:55.880 That's why glad. I'm glad to know that's interest Lesa 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.280 at the dock, leaves are hanging. I like drap at 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.960 midnight and trench coats like I definitely think Nicole show 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:08.159 goes on the cruise about him on the Romantic Cruise. 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.560 The graphic comes up in black and white, you know, 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:19.520 port of Hartford Midnight, and then we hear this whole 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:29.600 absolutely where's Luke? Where is he? Why is it making 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.160 me think? And I'm going to mess up the lyrics, 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:32.840 but why is it making me think of that bon 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:38.520 Jovi song? Johnny used to work on the docks. I 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.880 don't even think it's Johnny. No, it is Johnny, I 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:46.360 don't I don't know, but it sounded right. I'm glad 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.400 we have that moment. Thank you so much. Living on 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:56.920 a Mommy Tommy, Ny don't work on Johnny had a shot. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:02.480 He just didn't ask questions. You got eliminated. Yeah, Johnny 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.320 wanted to be in a Springsteen song. He didn't want 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:14.240 to be Tommy's ending up with Nicole. Okay, well, let's 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:18.680 the record show. We will revisit this. Somebody saved this 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.600 little thing that Danielle just said, so we can listen 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.400 re listen to it. When we watched the season four 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.840 first couple of oh yeah, yeah, this is coming back 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.400 to haunt something. Tound Turner is back. The town Turner 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.200 is back, right, so we're we all happy to see 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.440 him for a moment, you know, and he gets smashed 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:41.280 into by you know, get out of my way, peace, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.680 but out of the way, peace boy, and not a 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:48.480 lovely graceful entrance by by Laurel I with her three 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:55.640 pound backpack strapped. Very comical scene made me laugh out loud. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.280 I think he did have a funny line. It was 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.960 the perfect Gilmore moment, wasn't it. And it starts out 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:07.080 so beautiful and I did love when Luke says, don't 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:13.240 take your shoes off right exactly exactly? All right? Are 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.240 they just carrying around those backpacks for practice like that? 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:24.240 So we're getting backpack shape European backpack shape? Right. Two 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.480 important things in this scene, Scott that I really want 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:31.200 to hear your thoughts. First. We have all so we 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.360 learned that Scott, that we learned that Luke is going 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.840 to close the diner, which had me sort of shook 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.960 because it's like, whoa, that is big and that he's 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:46.559 going on this cruise. So Laurela begins with all the 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:51.960 love boat jokes, which epic and mentioning are you going 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:59.400 to propose? Inappropriate? But that's Laura La, right, you mean 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.840 she's well, well, of course that's what she does. That's 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.839 who she is. That's her character. You know, she's a 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.960 she's a female Don Rickles Henny Youngman type character. Right, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.640 So she's gonna ask those questions because nobody does that, 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.080 and she's gonna do it, and that's why we love her, right, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.200 we expect the unexpected. So she she asked that question. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.760 She pops the question about it had even crossed his mind? 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:29.080 I said, without answering the question, Don Rickles is actually 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.559 a pretty funny comparison. Do you think that Luke had 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.959 thought about proposing? Has that even crossed his mind? I? 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:42.000 H I I don't think so, I agree with you, Yeah, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.560 I don't. I don't know. He's I mean, how long 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.400 has he's been dating her now, I mean only like 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.920 six months, six months, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.559 he's cool whether it's like going well, but I think 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.440 he's inbiden his time, right, and he has the parents 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.599 he's giving he's giving it a chance. But it's like, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.760 you know, maybe it's maybe it's fun and relaxed and 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.439 it's good for him, and he knows it's good for 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.880 his life, and she's having a good time and all that, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.079 but maybe he doesn't feel it's the end all be 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.800 all right. But again, how would he know. It's definitely 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.199 not the same feeling he has for laurel Ize, So 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.640 I think that's why. But I think he probably feels 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.480 he's never gonna get laurel I, and he's got to 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.360 grow up and try something else and maybe carve out 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.760 a life for himself. And I just think he's being 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.319 trying to be you know, emotionally mature about it. Right. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:37.760 I literally think your analysis is exactly right. Like he 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:43.280 knows I should keep dating her because I deserve to 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.240 be happy, and this is what adults do. He's a good, 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.520 good person. Yeah, that's a great cat. She's a lawyer, 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.800 she's smart. We have they have a there's nothing bad. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.400 There's nothing bad, but I do think there might be 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.880 some Subliminally he's convincing himself like this is what I 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.760 should do. I think he was he was troubled by 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.920 meeting the parents and that he so didn't fit in, 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.240 and he felt like, I mean, that's an academic family, right, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.719 He's not going to fit in. You know. Christmas is 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.480 going to be strained, and Thanksgivings are gonna be strained. 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.440 They're always going to be talking down, not not down 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:22.040 to Luke, but a lot of things are going to 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:23.680 go over his head. And I don't think he likes 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.040 being in that position. And um, he's just not a 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:32.000 very sociable or social guy. Yeah, you know what, So 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.679 that part is true. But he is very smart, that's right, right, 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:41.240 he really he might not even like be so aware 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.800 of how smart he is, do you know what I mean? Like, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.800 I never think of Luke as not being completely up 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:52.120 to the standards of the lawyer or whoever. He knows business, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.640 he knows life, he knows the school a hard knocks 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.520 like he does at all. You know, I think I 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.120 think he knows what works for him, right, He he 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.120 knows himself, so you know there you go. Um, so 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.960 you know there's there's there's a certain kind of wisdom 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.800 that comes out of him from time to time or 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.480 maybe more often than that. But I don't know. I 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.000 think I think he likes being with her. I don't 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.719 know that it's it's long term, and I think he 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.720 still probably has a glimmer of hope for Laureline coming 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.880 around somehow because that feeling. I think that feeling that 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.200 tension is always there. Ye, it's always there. That doesn't 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.040 go away with somebody when you feel it to that 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.120 degree for somebody, I totally agree. Do you guys feel 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:40.120 the same? Danielle and tar Like, Uh, how do I 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:46.079 say this? Luke and Nicole are perfectly pleasant? Yeah, but 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.000 are you? I'm not feeling the No. It just seems 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.360 like someone there. It's just like they're dating each other 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.400 just a phase. They're hanging out past time, but they're 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.200 not each other's soulmates. But they get along and they 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.640 like to flirt and they like to you know, hang 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:06.040 out whatever, but not a soul mate like they're destined 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:11.120 to be together. Vibe chemistry is not the same. And 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.040 I think if Luke found somebody that he felt the 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:18.360 same way about other than laurel La. That would happen 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.200 very quickly. He would marry that girl very quickly. They 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.640 would have children very you know, as soon as they could, 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.160 because that's really what he feels for Laurela, right. And 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.439 I do think Luke wants that. I do think he 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.320 wants a partner. I do think he wants a family, 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.079 like he wants all those things like it. I I 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.280 see that. So when Laura La asked, as he going 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.079 to propose, and he kind of was like, oh, I 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.480 didn't even think about it. Yeah, because it's the wrong girl, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.920 it's not the right I also think let's take one 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.559 brief moment to compare. We're jumping to the end, but 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.720 we're going to compare this moment with the dream at 0:13:55.800 --> 0:14:01.280 the end when Luke has that dream of Lorelize saying 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:07.839 don't propose. I think she put that subconsciously into his 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:12.480 head because it was her fear almost like she's saying, oh, 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.280 you're gonna propose to almost like calm her own anxiety, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:21.320 like hoping you said no, And then that puts that 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:25.120 into your head and you realize at the end you 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:29.040 don't want to propose. Because you want her. I find 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:33.840 a very imp like important parallel between those two scenes. Look, 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:40.160 Manny's streaming about her right right. How many have you 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:41.800 ever had some guy come up to you and say, 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.320 you know, I had a dream about you last night 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:53.560 based on the fact that I've never met you. Do Wait, Scott, 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.600 you are nailing it though, It's it's so on the 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:03.400 nose like it was. His dream is for her to say, 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:10.320 don't hm, wow, yeah what he wants to hear? Yeah? 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.440 That was that? Just that was deep. Guys, only only 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.880 one of one Laurel line. There's only one of those, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.760 and there's only one Luke, give yourself some cread no, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.960 But I mean, I'm from from Luke's point of view 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.920 that there's one of her. You know, they didn't make 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.600 another one of her. She's she's one and a billion, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.240 and he knows it. And however quirky or inappropriate she is, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.880 she's very special, and she's very funny and warm and 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.760 loving and and what a fun life. And I think, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.320 you know, he brings out a sign in him that 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.200 he buries, so I think I think he sees himself, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.120 he projects himself into a future with her where he 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.120 feels like he could open up a little bit and 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.920 start loosening up and and having some fun and having 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:58.520 some laughs and and you said, I love that. You said, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.160 what a fun light. It would be more fun his 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.560 his life. His life is tremendously fun. He's a you know, 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.360 he's a guy that gets up and works and he 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.520 works all day and he works. That's that's what the 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.960 fines that keeps him saying. And why do people do that? 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.480 You know, why are people like that? Because you know 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.200 they haven't found the one. They found them, they find 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.160 the one. He's not working so much and she's like 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.880 the bright light of all of stars hollow to be honest, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:28.680 like just keeps everyone going, Yeah, what about if that 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:35.840 dream was actually okay? I had that moment to where 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.720 I'm like wait, and he makes like was that real? 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.280 What if Laura Lee had done that? And what if 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.360 she had gone I didn't find it inappropriate? Like what 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.400 if she had gone into the diner in reality and 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:53.440 said like, hey, don't propose, what would you wait? You 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:58.560 wouldn't have found that inappropriate? No I did. Yeah, I 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.360 think it would have been too soon, because that's a 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.480 moment that that you then you have to kiss I 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.560 thought that you're right, right needed to happen in the dream, 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.000 It could not happen in real life and needed to 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.920 be the dream. Otherwise I don't think it would have 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.639 spoken to Luke. Well maybe it would have, but like 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.680 the only way for it to be somewhat appropriate is 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.440 for Luke to dream that. But also it's not like 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.000 like when when it happened. I was like lor Lte 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.880 would say something like this up, you know, totally right, 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.119 And I do think I want to go back to 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.440 what Scott said is that it is Luke's dream. It 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.359 is Luke's dream, not like she's in it and Luke 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.600 is dreaming of her, stopping him from being with someone 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:51.200 else essentially. So one other important, very important thing in 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.600 this scene is that we learn that Luke will be 0:17:54.720 --> 0:18:01.600 at the graduation Wednesday at four, and I thought was important. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.480 That's his family, you know, their their family. They Gilmercy 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:12.760 Luke as part of their pivotal clothes for group of people, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.359 because it's Suki, it's Jackson, it's Luke and the girls, 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.560 and obviously Richard and Emily. But that's a very tight 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:24.200 knit family. Yeah, yeah, I mean it made perfect sense 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:25.840 to me and we'll talk about it when we get 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.760 to the graduation scene that he was there. I know 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.760 everybody has thoughts because I've I've already seen some of 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.840 them in the group text. So we'll talk about the end. Okay. 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:44.320 So we're at the Dragonfly and there is Luke checking 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:50.879 it out. Bots they're just setting us up. That scene, 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:56.240 was just setting us up for heartbreak, right, just setting 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.520 us up for heartbreak, like you mean, like it's a 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.280 money pit or was going to go wrong that it's 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.000 that it's not a money pit, and that you're you're 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:05.520 gonna be up and running four or five months, so 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.480 don't worry about it, right, It's just laying the groundwork 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.960 for for the bad news it's coming for the Independence 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:12.840 In it's closing up and the you know and all that. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.760 So yeah, let's talk about that. Now. What did you 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.639 all think when you realize like the independence In is 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:23.119 no more man? Well, I think we kind of like 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:29.000 saw it coming low, but I did find it really interesting. Okay, 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.960 Can I just like, since I don't know what happens next, 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.000 can I just throw something out there? Of course? Okay, 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.840 So when Laura Lai was talking to the owners, I'm 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:43.439 assuming Son like because she was like, oh you know, yeah, yeah. Um. 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.680 She was saying, She's like, but Rory grows up, grew 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.520 up here, like, but this is my job, you know, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.440 Like she was there. It's very The Independence in is 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:58.160 very sentimental to Laura lia Um. And then he was like, well, 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.560 you know, she's probably just gonna put up for say so, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.280 I think she does a bait and switch and buys 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.640 the Independence in. Oh you think that's what's going to happen. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.560 It doesn't, Okay, the clearly it's not what happened. Actually, 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.639 Like off of that, there was a fan who says 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.960 told us on Instagram that there was a deleted scene 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.480 from this episode and I found it on YouTube and 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:27.200 it's basically a flashback of Laurel and Rory now and 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.520 like when Rory was a kid in the Independence in 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.359 which I'm like, man, that should have been in the episode. 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:37.280 I like, I like that scene too, Yeah, I really was. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.040 It wasn't in the episode. Yeah. I thought it was 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.240 a great scene. I I really liked how they do 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.440 it and you gotta I mean, it looked like Laurel 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.480 I was probably what in her early twenties in that 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:51.080 scene her. Yeah, it was like ten, do you think? Okay, 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:55.879 so Laurel I was six. Yeah, that makes me think 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:00.240 of something. Are there a lot of scenes you shet 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.880 that do not make it even on this show because 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:08.720 this show seems so tight and scripted. It was that rare. 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.320 I think that was rare. Yeah, yeah that I I 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.200 don't remember shooting a scene that didn't make it onto 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.440 real final cut. Yeah, And I could be wrong, And 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.040 I'm sure there's some fans out there that know this 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.399 and that they'll they'll school us. But I don't recall 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.960 one scene being shown. It's not like every episode there's 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.560 multiple scenes you shoot that never got in because it's like, 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.639 you know, these are very tight schedules and they're all 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.119 timed out, you know, and they have to be in. 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.520 There's also so many callbacks. I can't script. E would 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:46.560 have a real mess on script, Like there's so many callbacks. 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.280 Imagine if they're doing a scene like the reason that 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:52.040 one worked is it was a very sort of um 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.800 isolated scene because of the flashback situation that you're like, okay, 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:58.399 maybe they just had to dump it and it was 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:00.600 just like a minute, like it wasn't even like long, 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.440 so right, right, I really I really enjoyed that, so 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.280 I was surprised they left it out. They had their reasons, 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.760 you know, obviously, but I enjoyed that scene. And Kirk 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:15.440 has another job. We're going back, so many jobs. Yeah, 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.600 So it is interesting that they're it's going to take 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:23.919 five months or so, and then they have no jobs, 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.520 like all of a sudden. That is sort of I 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:28.840 guess we'll jump to that that all of a sudden, 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.160 these guys are out of work and there I don't 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.480 get the idea they any of them have a ton 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.880 of dough in the bank like Luke does, for example, 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.560 to last them six months no work. That one she 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:46.920 has to pay for Yale, Yeah exactly, I mean, I guess. Okay, 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:48.960 let's talk about that. That's such an important part of 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.400 this episode. What do you think about the fact one 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.040 is that she was going to sacrifice the inn for 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:59.360 Rory to Rory finds out because Suki sort of lets 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.680 the cat out of the and then that Rory goes 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.200 to the grandparents. Just let's talk about it. We know 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.760 that these situations come about in the and the watching 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:12.240 of the episode, because all roads lead back to the Gilmore's, 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.480 I mean, Richard and Emily, all roads are going to 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.680 end up back there because they have they hold the 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.560 purse strings. So, uh, no surprise. I did like how 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:25.320 Rory went back herself independently and laid out and made it, 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.159 made that deal with Richard. I really enjoyed that scene. 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.800 And you know, she got what she wanted, everybody got 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:33.440 what they wanted. She had to explain to her mother 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:36.240 later on, it's a win win win, everybody wins, you 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:39.159 know what I mean. And Loaura hanging on to that 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:43.280 sort of you know, that her her childhood trauma as 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:47.520 she's wont to do, but it provides for necessary conflict 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.840 to keep the story moving forward. Yeah, I get torn 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.320 between that scene and this is kind of jumping ahead, 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.240 but that scene between Rory and Loura La where Rory 0:23:56.320 --> 0:24:01.560 tells her what happens, and you know, Laura La, Rory 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.960 is saying it's a win win for everyone. You know, like, 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.960 this is good, this is great, and Lorala still tries 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:11.480 to make it a little negative and it kind of 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.280 bothered me a little bit. I get why she's doing 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.480 that because she wants to give Rory low expectations, but 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.920 at the same time, I'm like, it's already done. Like, 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:22.160 why do you have to say they're manipulating her. She's 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.560 the one that went to went to them, and you know, 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.280 like that kind of bothered me a little bit. And 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.639 plus it's a celebration episode. Yeah, let's all. Can we 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:35.320 just lay down our swords for you know, one afternoon 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:39.360 here and not or a couple of days and not squabble. Yeah, 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.800 because it's it's about coming together for Rory, celebrating Rory, 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.840 and then you know, thereby we're celebrating ourselves and everybody's 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.359 celebrating each other for their contributions. I mean, you know, 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:52.960 if there was ever a moment to be family friendly, yeah, 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:56.520 this was probably it. And yeah, I agree, she's still 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.800 kind of chipping away. And at this point, Rory knows you, 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:03.320 she knows who what her grandparents have done to her 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:07.160 mom and vice versa, and she knows that strange relationship, 0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:10.439 but it's not her relationship with them. So it bothers 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.080