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Speaker 1: I am all in. I am all in with Scott

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Speaker 1: Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson,

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Speaker 1: I am all in podcast. I'm joining with Tower sud

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Speaker 1: Daniel Romo, Amy Sugarman. We are going to take a

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Speaker 1: crack at the season finale, Season three, episode two. Those

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Speaker 1: are strings, Pinocchio, Danielle take it away? Alrighty er date

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Speaker 1: me three and everyone knows this episode one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest episodes of Gilmore Girls. So I've been told, um

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Speaker 1: it's Rory's graduation day. But before she gives her moving

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Speaker 1: speech that makes everyone cry, she finds a solution in

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Speaker 1: paying for Yale so that Lorelai can still buy the

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Speaker 1: Dragonfly in with Suki. Luke is supposed to go on

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Speaker 1: a trip with Nicole, but will one dream make him

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Speaker 1: realize something he has never admitted to himself. Plus, Richard

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Speaker 1: and Emily by Rory a car as a gift, So

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Speaker 1: nice of them. And finally, Rory says her piece to

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Speaker 1: Jess as he mysteriously calls right after her ceremony. Happy graduation.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this is this is the best

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Speaker 1: episode that I have seen in this entire three seasons.

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Speaker 1: This was unbelievable. Girls, What do you think for me? Um?

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Speaker 1: This is actually my favorite episode of the whole series

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Speaker 1: as a Gilmore Girls fan. This episode represents what the

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Speaker 1: show is about. It's about Rory and Lorelai and their

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Speaker 1: love for each other. And that's what that speech was about, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's what That's why it's my favorite episode. And

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Speaker 1: the part where she goes to um, Emily and Richard

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Speaker 1: and she's like, here's the thing, this is my thing.

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Speaker 1: I want to go to this school. I want you

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Speaker 1: to kind of like get Lorala out of trouble in

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Speaker 1: a sense. But Rory's doing it and she's now the adult.

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Speaker 1: So this whole episode to me was it was full circle.

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Speaker 1: But it was also the end of like chapter one

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Speaker 1: Gilmore into chapter two. Okay, hands show hands. Who cried?

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Speaker 1: Oh god obviously multiple times? Oh cried Danielle. Did you cry? No? No,

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Speaker 1: didn't have to stream down your face, just and did you?

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Speaker 1: the face at the end of the show. Shocking, shocking. Um.

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Speaker 1: But but but it's like, but that speech, Rory's speech

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Speaker 1: was very movie anyway, did did you? We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that because I want to think. I

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Speaker 1: think it made me even cry more seeing Suki and

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Speaker 1: and then I'm crying. It's like a contagious yawn. So

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Speaker 1: take us through it. Let's start from the beginning, because

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Speaker 1: this was a very wait wait wait, very special episode,

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Speaker 1: very very But before we get into it, I need

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Speaker 1: to ask both you and Danielle, what do you think

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Speaker 1: is is coming like? Because daniel has never seen it. Scott,

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Speaker 1: do you remember anything? I remember a lot, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know what you're referring to what's coming in season four? Correct? Alright,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of ultimately no, well, I

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Speaker 1: mean I remember that that that pivotal scene, and I

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Speaker 1: think I know what you're referring to the numeroo smooth

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Speaker 1: your rooney, right, don't But I'm no spoilers, No, we're not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying for who so because it's fun for

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Speaker 1: everybody because you are the virgin here God. Yes, which

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Speaker 1: I still think that was a good time. So what

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Speaker 1: What do you predict? Okay, well, I predict that season

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Speaker 1: four is going to be the Luke and Lorle show.

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Speaker 1: But to get there, I think that Luke and Nicole

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Speaker 1: that added detail. Since he's wearing a trench coat. Did

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Speaker 1: absolutely where's Luke? Where is he? Why is it making

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Speaker 1: a Mommy Tommy, Ny don't work on Johnny had a shot.

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Speaker 1: He just didn't ask questions. You got eliminated. Yeah, Johnny

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Speaker 1: to be Tommy's ending up with Nicole. Okay, well, let's

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Speaker 1: the record show. We will revisit this. Somebody saved this

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Speaker 1: little thing that Danielle just said, so we can listen

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Speaker 1: re listen to it. When we watched the season four

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Speaker 1: to haunt something. Tound Turner is back. The town Turner

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Speaker 1: him for a moment, you know, and he gets smashed

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Speaker 1: into by you know, get out of my way, peace,

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Speaker 1: but out of the way, peace boy, and not a

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Speaker 1: lovely graceful entrance by by Laurel I with her three

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Speaker 1: the perfect Gilmore moment, wasn't it. And it starts out

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Speaker 1: take your shoes off right exactly exactly? All right? Are

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Speaker 1: they just carrying around those backpacks for practice like that?

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Speaker 1: So we're getting backpack shape European backpack shape? Right. Two

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Speaker 1: important things in this scene, Scott that I really want

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Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts. First. We have all so we

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Speaker 1: learned that Scott, that we learned that Luke is going

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Speaker 1: because it's like, whoa, that is big and that he's

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Speaker 1: going on this cruise. So Laurela begins with all the

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Speaker 1: love boat jokes, which epic and mentioning are you going

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Speaker 1: to propose? Inappropriate? But that's Laura La, right, you mean

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Speaker 1: she's a female Don Rickles Henny Youngman type character. Right,

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Speaker 1: So she's gonna ask those questions because nobody does that,

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Speaker 1: and she's gonna do it, and that's why we love her, right,

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Speaker 1: we expect the unexpected. So she she asked that question.

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Speaker 1: She pops the question about it had even crossed his mind?

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Speaker 1: I said, without answering the question, Don Rickles is actually

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Speaker 1: a pretty funny comparison. Do you think that Luke had

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Speaker 1: he's cool whether it's like going well, but I think

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Speaker 1: he's giving he's giving it a chance. But it's like,

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Speaker 1: but maybe he doesn't feel it's the end all be

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Speaker 1: be happy, and this is what adults do. He's a good,

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Speaker 1: They're always going to be talking down, not not down

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Speaker 1: degree for somebody, I totally agree. Do you guys feel

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Speaker 1: not each other's soulmates. But they get along and they

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Speaker 1: because that's really what he feels for Laurela, right. And

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Speaker 1: to win, win, win. That's not what a child does

422
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: with their parents. The parent is supposed to know that, right,

423
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: And I think that's why Danielle, you know, I had

424
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: a little problem with that too. I thought she's she's

425
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: just like, can't she just lay down her sword and

426
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: celebrate this and didn't you think, I mean, for me,

427
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: it was so heartwarming. I loved it. I loved this

428
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: moment in the episode when you see how like happy

429
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: isn't even the right word that Emily and Richard are, Yeah,

430
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: they are even like Emily was just like, you know,

431
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: it was like Santa had just come and it was

432
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: Christmas morning and they were eight like their faces and

433
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: so perfectly acted. Because god, that scene was so brilliant

434
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: when they make that deal and they're doing the deal

435
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: and Richard's doing his thing and Emily's doing her thing

436
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: and they couldn't have been happier to give her the money.

437
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And Friday Night Dinners are reinstated, So

438
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: I wish every loan was on the terms Richard's loan

439
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: payback after five years zero. But it's also funny because

440
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, he's saying that, and then

441
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: once five years comes, he's going to be like, you

442
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: can do it in five more. Like he's not looking

443
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: for in that. You know, Emily's like, this is an

444
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: extra nine years of Friday Night dinners. So they would

445
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: have given I'm certain of it. They would not have

446
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: asked for Friday Night dinners. They wouldn't. They just would

447
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: have been totally happy to pay. She offered it, and

448
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: they were of course going to take it, but they

449
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: it was not an obligation in the same way it

450
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: was before, which I understand why they did before made

451
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: it part of the deal. Well, they had no relationship before,

452
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: so they're like, if we're gonna give you this money,

453
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: we need to have a relationship, which I stand by.

454
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: I think that they have a relationship with Rory. They

455
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: know they have it, and they just wanted her to

456
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 1: have the money. So I love that there's Friday night

457
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: dinners back, but I don't think that Emily and Richard

458
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: would have ever required them. I kind of agree with

459
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: you on that, I do. I did have one question.

460
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: I can't remember how far is Yale from the Gilmore's house,

461
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: because how far is she driving for Friday night dinner

462
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: new Haven to Hartford is I don't I don't think

463
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: it's very look it up thirty minutes, I think she said,

464
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: like minutes. Thirty minutes. Okay, yeah, it's not it's not

465
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: that Hollow is further away from you. Yeah, yes, probably,

466
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't know an hour. I'm trying to find that

467
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: our producer Jackie said, thirty seven minutes. Alright, not bad.

468
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how long in Luke's truck and a

469
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: half minutes This one was Luke's truck. There might be

470
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: there's a hint of traffic right now in um and

471
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: they have really big mosquitoes in Alaska. Let's get off

472
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: on a tangent here. Okay, So so anyway, uh yeah,

473
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: so and the car they threw in the car, Yeah,

474
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: let's talk about the gift. They were so happy that

475
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: they could give it to her, which I was really happy, Lord,

476
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: I said, yes, I love when they ended graduation, they

477
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: walk out of the parking lot and there's like I

478
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: didn't know there was I didn't know there were prices

479
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, I remember that she had a prius.

480
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: It was very Leo. It was it was very like

481
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: right on point, go Richard, he knows what he's doing.

482
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: Talk about before we get to the speech. Let's just

483
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: talk briefly about Paris being so cool with Rory being

484
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: the valedictorian that did not try to sabotage, but why

485
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: she was thrilled. I did the research, you know, like

486
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: people that are victor statistics aren't favorable for future for mortality.

487
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: So good for you, Rory. She's such a peach that parents.

488
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: And then I did think it was funny, even though

489
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: not nice, when they kept calling that guy a v

490
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: geek and then they're like, pan, my body nice and slow.

491
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: So I thought that was sort of a moment of

492
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: levity and just sort of funny and and real. Yeah,

493
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: we didn't have enough Michelle h but we we got

494
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: a good one, good scene. Could not see him as

495
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: a dancer. Why why wasn't he at the graduation? A

496
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: great question? Why the heck wasn't the whole town there? Well,

497
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: that's what I was like, you can't like the tickets,

498
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: And I remember my family had a field day on

499
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: who can come and who can't, so I first hand, no,

500
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: that not everyone's going to make it. We took other

501
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: family tickets, like one of my friends. One of my

502
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: friends was like, I got one extra ticket, like, and

503
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: that's all ticket. So we had a party at our

504
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: house after my high school graduation so everyone could come,

505
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: all right, So that makes sense, And then we understand

506
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: even more how important it was that Luke was picked,

507
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: Jackson was picked, Suki was picked. Yeah, yeah, like it's

508
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: not going to be Michelle over Luke or Miss Patty

509
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: or bad beat. But they could throw them to throw

510
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: her a party once she went and she got back right. Well,

511
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: they were leaving the next morning for um really the

512
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: very next morning. Wow, where they were out of They

513
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: got out of town fast. Yeah. What do you think

514
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: about the scene? And it actually, for me was quite

515
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: heartbreaking when Lorelei comes over and like, let's get out

516
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: the champagne with Suki and Jackson, and it's basically telling

517
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: them like they're all out of a job, but she's

518
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: trying to like glass half full. I watched it twice,

519
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: and I think the first time I was like, why

520
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: is she doing this? Is so mean? But the second

521
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: time I was like, well, Suki is pregnant, so I

522
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't. I don't think she wants to stress

523
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: her out. That's a good point, Yeah, good point. And

524
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: I also think that she was probably so overwhelmed because

525
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: that's where she raised, that's where they first went, that's

526
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: where you know, that's I'll never forget. I'll never forget

527
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: when when I when we decided to sell our home

528
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and you know how my wife reacted

529
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: to that. And how we all reacted to it. Boy,

530
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: this is the place where we had our son. Yeah,

531
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like that's a big deal. Yeah,

532
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: that's such an important point because one is I'm thinking,

533
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, they have no jobs, money, money, money,

534
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: But the emotional conrections, it's it's too much to to

535
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: to feel, it's too much to acknowledge. So you want

536
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: to go the other way with it and just hey,

537
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: let's let's look at the bright side of this and

538
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: let's stay positive. Yeah, it was. It was actually an

539
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: act of real strength, you know, on Laurelized part to

540
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: try to keep everybody pumped up about it. They do

541
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: have something essentially to look forward to with the end

542
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, we did have that hiccup

543
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: where suddenly they can't they're not going to have the end,

544
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: but it's like they do have things positive to look

545
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: forward to if they can just make it there. Let's

546
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: talk about the town meeting, which I have a lot. Okay,

547
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: so the town meeting was sort of obviously the impetus

548
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: for Rory and Dean to have their moment, so we

549
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: can talk about you know, if you guys have any

550
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: thoughts about the town meeting, or we can just go

551
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: to the conversation. I think go to the conversation. I

552
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: felt that this was perfect. I loved it so much

553
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: because it was a way for Rory to say, you know,

554
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for everything. This is what I got out

555
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: of it. I'm sorry for what happened. Thank you for

556
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: being the best to me and for standing up to me.

557
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: But now I know that you're with Lindsay, please pick

558
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: a gift I want and look at over look over

559
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: this catalog. So two thousand three, look over this catalog,

560
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: sticky tab. Yeah, and she goes with Lindsay and tell

561
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: me what you guys want and that's my gift. And

562
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: I thought that was so mature of her. I just

563
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: I loved I loved that whole bit. And you know

564
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: they say goodbye at the end, you know, goodbye, goodbye Rory,

565
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: goodbye Dean, you know whatever however they said it. But

566
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: I was just like, that really made me feel good

567
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: after watching that. I agree, And this episode was I

568
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: mean sorry, This scene was actually right before um the

569
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: when when Rory goes to Emily and Richards and I

570
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: think back to back, these two scenes just showed how

571
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: mature she's she's spelling over the years, like she's being

572
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: um you know, responsible for just everything that happened with Dean,

573
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: and then she's also being responsible for her um yale money.

574
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: So I think it just showed a lot of growth

575
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: in this episode for her. Yeah, I agree, those two.

576
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: Those two fit very well together, Dean and Rory. They're

577
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: very It looks good, it feels good. They're comfortable with

578
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: each other. I like them together, you know, or I

579
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: like him as friends, you know, so they belong in

580
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: each other's lives. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was very lovely,

581
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: just because it really really loved prior to this, Like

582
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: the scene between Dean and Rory was basically Rory saying

583
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: why why why are you getting married? Why? You know,

584
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: like she was like all up in arms about it

585
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: and now she's and then her boyfriend gets in like

586
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: a full on altercation, knockdown brawl within the important reality. Yeah,

587
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: if you really think about it, Dean gets fully dumped

588
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 1: by this girl, fully like practically cheated on and done,

589
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: not exactly cheated on, but like close like next hour

590
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: making that with Jess yea then get then Jess is

591
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: like so hateful towards this poor guy. Then they get

592
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: like a brawl. It's just like a fact that Dean

593
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: is still friends with Rory. Honestly, I love you, Dean.

594
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: I love him. I love his character so much. I

595
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: think he's just such a He's so fun to watch.

596
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just like every Dean scene. I'm

597
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm very team Dean. I am. I hate That's why

598
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: he's a star. Yeah, yeah, he has that quit. He's

599
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: got that magnetic quality where you can't take your eyes off.

600
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: Ye just got this like how Like I used to

601
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: think that jess In and Rory had chemistry when he

602
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: first came on the scene, but now I'm like, whoa,

603
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: there's just so much like but between what is your

604
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: prediction as we're wrapping up season three for Dean and

605
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: Rory or maybe Dean and Lindsay, just what do you think? Well,

606
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: I do you know one spoiler about Dean, so I

607
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: know that eventually comes back around. But I do think

608
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: Dean gets married, um, and I do think comes back.

609
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: This isn't This is definitely not the end of jess.

610
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: He's coming back, and that's that's all I know in

611
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: my head. Could you imagine if they left jess just

612
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: then the ends and just lives in vena speech with

613
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: that button up shirt, I know, leather jacket. Yeah, I know,

614
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: we kind of touched on this, but Scott, do we

615
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: all feel that Rory did the right thing by sort

616
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: of making peace with Dean? And do we think she

617
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: did the right thing by going to Emily and Richard

618
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: for the money? Is Rory really kind of nailing this,

619
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: like doing all the right things by everybody. She's tying

620
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: up blues ends, Yeah, she's but and she's stepping up

621
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: to get what she wants. And she's helping her mother

622
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: out at the same time, who's stressed out financially. She's

623
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: helping out her grandparents who want, you know, see her.

624
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: You're right, So she right, you know, she is doing

625
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: thing for them. You're right. And I think she was

626
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: right to reconcile with Dean and get some closure there

627
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: and and you know, potentially have a nice warm friendship

628
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: going forward. Um. And I think she was right to

629
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: let Jess go because what kind of you know, who

630
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: calls and doesn't say anything and then just listens and

631
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: then hangs up. I mean, please, I mean, this is

632
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: this is an option for your future. Let's talk about that.

633
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Now we'll save the speech for the for the end.

634
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. What did you all think about

635
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: how that went down? What just like calling and not

636
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: talking and it didn't track for me? Yea, yeah, that's

637
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: very like first of all, who calls multiple times and

638
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: just like it is breathing any other line like you.

639
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: But he was he was a heavy coming but like

640
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: in my head, but he okay, But thing is, let's

641
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: let's let's just let's just rewind here a little bit.

642
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 1: We we we have to realize how much pain Justice

643
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: in and how confused he is and how his world

644
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: is just blown apart. His dad doesn't want him, his

645
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: mom doesn't want him, he's got Luke kicked him out.

646
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: Nobody wants him, and he doesn't feel worthy. He does,

647
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: but he wants he's hanging on. You know, that phone

648
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: call scared me. Actually, this is what kind of phone

649
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: call with somebody hangs up and it's like they make

650
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: a decision. You know, it's like that kind of depression

651
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: and loneliness. I mean, that guy needs somebody to reach out.

652
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: He really needs help. You know. It really hurt me,

653
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: It really really really hurt me, you know, so we

654
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: can you know, listen. I I get this way too,

655
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: and everybody does you get all judgey about things because

656
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: it's just a TV show, But but look at the

657
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: look at the character, look at what he's going through,

658
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's and that was a lifeline for him.

659
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: That was a call that he didn't have to say it,

660
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: but the call really meant saved me. Yeah. I just

661
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: thought that he cared so much for Rory that he

662
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't mess graduation up. I thought he would have him

663
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: calling the day before, day after whatever. I would like, Yes,

664
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: I would have agreed with you, Scott, And I do

665
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: get the point that you're saying, But I'm also like,

666
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: the one day he should have left alone was her

667
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: graduation day he left, so he needs to leave her

668
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: alone too. In my brain, see, I thought that maybe

669
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: that was his moment that he was trying to say

670
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, to make it up and bring around like

671
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: everything and say I'm sorry on graduation day because he

672
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: knows it's so important to her. But I see your

673
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: point as well, like he should have thought it could

674
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a stretch, but I feel

675
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: like he really gets her and they are very in

676
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: tune that he is calling repeatedly and staying on the

677
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: line for that moment where she's going to say what

678
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: she needed to say. Interesting, that's a good point. So

679
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: he's calling repeatedly and like she probably just keeps hanging up,

680
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? That actually just very Yeah,

681
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: it was a noble act to let her go, give

682
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: her the he's giving her that moment giving because he

683
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: can't do it. He can't, he can't break it. He

684
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: knows he's not good for her, and he wants to

685
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: give her that the best for her to like Jess

686
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: always wanted the best, even though he may not show

687
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: it at all times, Like he always thinks of her

688
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: in a very positive way and and wants her to

689
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: do well. And the reason I believe that also is

690
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: because I believe Amy Sherman Palladino knew exactly what she

691
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: was doing, and that we would have been left to wonder,

692
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: was that Jess. We all know it's Jess, but they

693
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: make it very clear. They shoot a scene with him

694
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: to make it very clear that he is there on

695
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: the pay phone. He's still in Venice. Obviously, we still

696
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: have our you know, hopes and dreams of the spinoff,

697
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: but that that is to me, that was I don't

698
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: know that he was beings. I agree with Scott and

699
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,479
Speaker 1: that he's in a bad place and does need someone

700
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: to reach out to him and love him. And maybe

701
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: we're to assume that Jimmy comes back around, but that

702
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: he's giving her that opportunity to say her piece so

703
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: that she can go off for the summer feeling as

704
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: best as she can and then really enjoy Yale. It's

705
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: actually a very beautiful scene. Yeah, I love that Rory

706
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: put it all out there, like everything she said, like

707
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: when she goes, I think I may have loved you,

708
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, like even that, it just was Yeah, it

709
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: was so. It was so Alexis Bladele is like ridiculously

710
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: an amazing actress. She really is good. She's very natural

711
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: and very fluid. So here comes another hot topic before

712
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: we get to the speech. What do you all think

713
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: the fact that Christopher is not there? It's like, Daniel,

714
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: I cannot be more pissed about anything other than that,

715
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: Like that that made that made me more mad than

716
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: just calling to be Then they did. The writers did

717
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: their job. Yeah, I was mad. I was just like

718
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: you are her father, I don't care you if you

719
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: have another baby somewhere else you show up if you

720
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: have a relationship with your daughter and you are trying

721
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: to do that, and not only that, but like you've

722
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: been correcting all your wrongs with your new baby, like

723
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: you still got time with Rory, like don't mess this up,

724
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: and he's doing it again. I was just pissed. It

725
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: was both. I was actually wondering why, and maybe it's

726
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: a ticket thing. We never know, but it was both

727
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: Christopher and Lane. Why weren't they both at the graduation?

728
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: Because I thought, I know, there's there's three more, there's

729
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: one more, there's three. Why wasn't Max Medina there? Right?

730
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that one? He's there? Is he still?

731
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: Is he still there? I know he came back, but

732
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: like he's from Stanford. Here's the thought, here's the thought.

733
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: Should this Should this have been a separate episode? Just

734
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: throwing it out there. You're saying, there's so much happening

735
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: that you would have liked this to be like a

736
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: two part I don't know if I'd have liked it,

737
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: but I'm just you know, I'm just throwing it out there.

738
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: What do you think could this episode just the graduation

739
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: and all the interactions with all the Chiltern people and

740
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: anybody directly involved with Chiltern. Uh could that have been

741
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: a standalone episode? What I see where you're going with it,

742
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: and that there's a lot happening. But I think that's

743
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: very Gilmore, a lot of meat in the sandwich. I

744
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: was sort of happy that they didn't make me linger

745
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: more at graduation. They moved me through graduation shows that

746
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: graduation is so long where you're like, let's just get like,

747
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: we know you're graduating, let's get over with. But that

748
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: speech was like exactly what we needed. It's like a

749
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: bad TV wedding when it's just can we get through

750
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: the wedding? I need to know what's going to happen.

751
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: But that's that this is not your your average writing staff.

752
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't need more of Brad's speech, just plenty,

753
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god. But also I feel like in high school,

754
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: like when you're graduating high school, like that scene where

755
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: they were doing like the goodbye video and the conversation

756
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: with parents, like that's kind of your last moment with

757
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: your your peers in school. Anyway, like graduation day is

758
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: really about you and your family. It's not really about

759
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: about your point, you know, the teacher, like I don't

760
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: even think I talked to a teacher like like graduation day,

761
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: you know. So I think it was more about the family.

762
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: I did think that it was perfect, and Scott, you'll

763
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: be able to comment the physical comedy of Melissam over

764
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: the people mind. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I suck. I suck.

765
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: Also the architecture of Chilton. That was a good joke.

766
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: Suki was like, you guys may think I'm like, but

767
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: I was here before all of you guys, and she's

768
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: just like fiddling through the chairs and just like she's

769
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: so good. I love we talk about Luke Lukey, Um,

770
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: look at Jackson with the insurance. Jackson was such a

771
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: dad thing to do, Like, yeah, how much to ensure this?

772
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: And Richard's ready to talk about probably approaching six figures

773
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: and they're like, actually, before we talk about the valedictorian speech.

774
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: I did take note. And I don't know if somebody

775
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: had a real brain that Geller and Gilmore would be

776
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: next to each other for to get their diplomas that

777
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: one more moment. So sorry. I was like, somebody really

778
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing when they named it's so

779
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: funny you say that because on another show that I'm watching, Um,

780
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: they took roll call and someone with the last name

781
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: l was listed off first, and it was like all

782
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: out of order because it was the main characters, right,

783
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: and so I was like, okay, like lor lyon and

784
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Rory and Paris are back to back. This

785
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: makes sense and we do get the Luke im your

786
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: pen call back to Oh yeah, that was great. Also,

787
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: the whole Emily and Richard seating saga was had me

788
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: the space between laughing right between. So you always assume

789
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: that I carry pens with me everywhere I go call back.

790
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: So Scott, you first, what did you think about the speech?

791
00:48:53,840 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: Was beautifully written, beautifully performed, very very moving. Um, you know,

792
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: it got me. It really got me when you know,

793
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: it was very satisfying that she honored Richard and Emily. Uh,

794
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: and then she moved on to her mom and that

795
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: was extra special. I mean, I I think you got

796
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: to be battery powered if you didn't feel anything there,

797
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: because it sure made me feel. Yeah. It was maybe

798
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: the nicest moment on the show. Those those moments were

799
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: so far in the first three seasons. Those were spectacular moments.

800
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: You know, real fulfillment, you know, real full circle moments,

801
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: you know everything. Richard and Emily wanted, Yeah that shout

802
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: out and that landed right in their lap, and Rory

803
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: just showed her respect and it was it was wonderful, Yeah,

804
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: and so genuine. Yeah. I also liked Laura Lyons. He

805
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: were like, don't cry, don't cry, like you know, because

806
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: like we're are here on the couch bawling like about

807
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: you guys. And I was like, I was probably crying

808
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 1: and they're just trying so hard to keep us together.

809
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: But it was such a Gilmore thing to do. It

810
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: was that little back and forth banter during her speech

811
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: was just so spot on. It's just obvious that like

812
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: Rory is the reason that that family is together, I guess. Well.

813
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: And then the sticking the tongues out when they're when's

814
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: the very gilmourray. So I didn't mention this earlier when

815
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: we talked briefly about Christopher. To me, yes, it's terrible

816
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: that Christopher is not there and I don't even understand it.

817
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: But Luke is the dad in a sense. He was like, ticket, yeah, yeah,

818
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean I guess dad, like not really, you know,

819
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think he you know, he

820
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: didn't really have a close relationship with Rory, right, I

821
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: mean he was dad at a distance. He was dad

822
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: at a distance. That's fine. He was a protector at

823
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: a distance. And you're not inviting the random dude from

824
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: the or to your graduation. You're inviting the male figure

825
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: in your life. I mean, he's been there since she

826
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: was a baby. This she's she's been bringing her bringing

827
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: a little baby Roy into the diner since she was born. Right,

828
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: So Luke's been there, you know, playing with her and

829
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: Couci Couci and the whole thing. And you know, it's

830
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: been seventeen years. Speaking of missing parents, Paris's parents not

831
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: being there. They love her, They literally love her. I

832
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: was so happy for parents that she had people there,

833
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm so happy for her.

834
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: So then I guess let's talk about the back in Chilton.

835
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: And maybe this is why they didn't include the in

836
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: scene because they're almost sort of similar scenes in a sense.

837
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: The deleted she did during the ceremony, she told her

838
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: that she got in. Yeah she did, right, But maybe

839
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking is maybe the reason they dumped the

840
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: deed deleted scene is because we sort of have a

841
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: similar moment at Chilton when they go in to carve

842
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: their name and they take that moment and it looks

843
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: so big, but they say, this isn't scary anymore. Maybe

844
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: they sort of felt that just played better. I don't know.

845
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: It was just another moment for me that lor Lae

846
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: is is growing up, you know, just like the Dean scene,

847
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: the going to Richard and Emily is to you know,

848
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: not being scared of Childen anymore. I was just like, oh,

849
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: she is, she has grown up, she has a young

850
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: she she she came out on top at Chilton and

851
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: she had her choice of Harvard Princeton or Yale. What

852
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: an accomplishment and in two years or you know what

853
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: is she three years? Did she come in there as

854
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: a sophomore? Yeah, that's right. So yeah, you can they

855
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: even acknowledge it somewhere. I think Headmaster l Headmaster oh

856
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: my God, even mentions it in his introduction terms. It's

857
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: quite an accomplishment, I mean, really quite an accomplishment. And

858
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: then I and I love the deleted scene because it's

859
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: it talks about books, and it talks about how you

860
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: more rooms to stack your books and yeah, yeah, it

861
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: tells me what great mother she is, right, I wanted that.

862
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: I really like that scene. I also thought in the

863
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: introduction that Headmaster Charleston said when he said competitive when

864
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: she needs to be, and I thought, oh, his intro

865
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: for her, it was very cool and accurate, and I

866
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: just you can tell that every word in this episode

867
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: is important, every single detail is important. Well, you know,

868
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: when you grow up that way, you know, just reading, reading,

869
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: read reading. If you were a bookish person and you're

870
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: intellectually curious from the time you're a small child, you're

871
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: still going to be challenged at places like that, but

872
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna end up on top because your habits are

873
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: so home, they're so refined. So she couldn't lose. You know,

874
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: the seeds were planted a long, long time ago, so

875
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: she couldn't. She wasn't going to you know, Paris was

876
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: never going to defeat her. You know, it just wasn't

877
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: going to happen. Mhm. So how many out of ten

878
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: diplomas do you give this up? An? We've missed the scene?

879
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: What do we miss we missed? When Luke tells lor

880
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: Lie he's not going on the trip, he tells her, yeah. Yeah.

881
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: At the graduation, he tells he tells her he's not

882
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: going on the trip. Wait, and Loa lies like I

883
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: didn't ruin it. I didn't ruin it, right, and look, no, no, no,

884
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: But then he says he is going to go no,

885
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: but then he goes, right, but I think it was no,

886
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: you were just trying to get perfect. Came to it

887
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: as I'm not going on the trip, and she was like,

888
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: oh I did I did I ruin it? Oh my god,

889
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: I say sorry, blah blah blah blah, and then he goes, well,

890
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to lead her on, Like

891
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: do you think that's like after all that we've been

892
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, we've been through. That's like I took it

893
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: as Luke and Laurela what they've been through and then

894
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: and she was like no, of course not. And then

895
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: he was like okay, well then yeah, okay. And but

896
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: like he came to that conversation with I'm not going

897
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 1: to then kind of being like, oh, maybe it's okay.

898
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Lucas as confused as I am.

899
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, was he asking was she asking Laurelized permission

900
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: to go on the cruise, who goes what is it?

901
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: Was it a chuck right, because that's reality? That is

902
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: a great, great way to ask. He like he dangled

903
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: the carrot. He's like, I'm not going on the trip

904
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: because he wanted Lorala to say thank God. He wanted

905
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: his dreams to reality, and when it didn't, he said

906
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: that I'm going on the trip. Yeah as well, Alaska

907
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: has big mosquitoes. I think you both just nailed it,

908
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: Scott and Danielle. And Scott you kind of alluded to

909
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: this earlier. I think Luke doesn't doesn't really know what

910
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: he wants because he doesn't want to just not have

911
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: Nicole if there is no lore Lie for him. But

912
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: it's so obvious to him that he's really just with

913
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: Nicole waiting. I think this is aiding time. I think

914
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: he wants to be with lore Lee, but he wants

915
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: LORELEI to want him to, so he's like, I really

916
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: like her, but it's what is it if she's not

917
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: in on it too? He rather, but he'd rather Nicole

918
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: than no one. He doesn't. He doesn't want to get

919
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: his heart all smashed into bids. He makes his move

920
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: and it ultimately doesn't work. Not even just his heart,

921
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 1: but his entire community. Like there goes Rory, there goes

922
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, Suki and Jackson, because like all these people

923
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: are tied to Lord Lie, so he can't screw it up,

924
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: you know. Like that's how I see it. I think

925
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, everybody's going to be friends.

926
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gotta like out. You know, he's

927
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: got to close up the shop and get the heck

928
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: out of He doesn't want to ruin. He doesn't want

929
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: to ruin the relationship he has with all those people.

930
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: Now I know that, But I mean, look, at a

931
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: certain point, he's got to put his big boy pants

932
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: on and take a step up, you know. Because Uh, anyway,

933
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: let's do favorite lines. Yeah, let me go first. Uh

934
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: you know there was one other line I think, Well,

935
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: I love the Luke line. Why you assume that I

936
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: carry pens with me everywhere I go? Made me laugh

937
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: out loud. There was another there was another line that,

938
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: Uh it was Louise said it. What did Louise say, Oh,

939
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about a little quick line? It was what

940
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: did she say? Um? Was it not the Uh? This

941
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: is the best I'm going to look in all my life.

942
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no. They were sitting down,

943
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: she was sitting next to Madeline. They said a line anyway,

944
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: we'll come back to it, Amy, what was your favorite?

945
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: Obviously I love don't get engaged. Even though it was

946
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: in the dream, there was another line that I thought

947
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: really was important. Basically, it's when lord Lyne Rory are

948
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: talking I think in the hallway and she's saying, Yale

949
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: is my thing. I needed financing and I got it,

950
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: and lord Lee says something to the effect of I

951
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: just want there to be a time when we're all

952
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: getting exactly what we want, and Rory says, just softly,

953
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: we'll see if we can arrange that sometimes. And I

954
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 1: just thought that really is their relationship, of her being

955
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: the voice of reason and the calm. So that really

956
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: stood out to me. It wasn't a fun line, it

957
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: was something that meant something to me. I'm gonna pull

958
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to pull a mine from the Rory and

959
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: Jess combo or just Rory to the telephone combo. Um.

960
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: She goes, okay, so goodbye. That sounds really layman stupid

961
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: right now, but there it is. Goodbye. Mm hmm, yeah,

962
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: all right, great, I'm gonna give this many diplomas. Uh gosh,

963
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a ten out of ten. I really

964
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: liked it. I thought it was a great episode, really great,

965
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: really really great. What what about you? Tara? That's my

966
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: favorite of the whole series. The Danielle nine point five

967
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: out of ten, nine point five A nine. I mean,

968
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: I loved it. Like, that's a lot of diplomas, but

969
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: half a diploma for Danielle is Christopher. That was Yeah.

970
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: I was pissed. Should we read some of the fan

971
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: thoughts because we did say that we were going to

972
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: do that just really quickly. Uh, Tara, you pick three,

973
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: I'll pick three. Um uh, you want to go first

974
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: or I can go first. So we asked them what

975
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: We asked our fans what their thoughts were about this episode.

976
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: Um so one of them said, each each season is

977
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: stronger for the three seasons, and each characters has had

978
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: at least one moment to shine. I agree, A lot

979
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: of best best episodes ever, um, a lot of I

980
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: cry every single time I watched this episode. UM, happy

981
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: Friday Night Dinners were reinstated. UM, Rory speeches beyond emotional

982
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: and I cry every time. Um, this episode always felt

983
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: like a series finale, very little cliffhanger in a lot

984
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: of emotion. I actually agree. I was like, I wonder

985
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: if they Scott, I don't know, was this supposed to

986
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: end after season three? Like or did you guys get

987
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: picked up right away? Because it's a little question. Oh no, No,

988
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: of course we were. Yeah, we were a ratings juggernaut

989
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, because especially if they weren't even

990
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: discussing doing a spinaff were like, if you're watching it now,

991
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: like you're like, oh, I guess it could have ended

992
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: right there if it only was three seasons, you know,

993
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: said up thirty seasons. Thirty seasons, yea, even after we died,

994
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: they'd still be filming episodes, you know, their progeny or something. UM.

995
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: A couple other fan thoughts. The phone call between jessin

996
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: Rury felt things so unfinished for me, um, one of

997
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: my favorite episodes. UM. And let's see why did Richard

998
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: and Emily have disappointed reactions that buying a car for

999
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: Rory was a win win for Laurelai. That's a good point.

1000
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: That's a great because they did all right. So I

1001
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: got a couple of things my crack team has unearthed

1002
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: some Yeah, here we go. All right, so we have

1003
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: a clown pillow sighting at eighteen I got eighteen thirty

1004
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: about thirty time marker. When the group first sits down

1005
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: at the graduation, Luke is sitting on the aisle, but

1006
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: at Richard and Emily joined them. Suddenly another couple of

1007
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: sitting in the aisle seats, presumably to set up the

1008
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: visual gag of Suki climbing over them multiple times. Yes, yes,

1009
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: all right, so I did. I did. The actress that

1010
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: played Paris as nanny also played a maid in season

1011
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: two Like Mother, Like Daughter the Fashion Show episode uh.

1012
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: And and I want to also make a note this

1013
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: is from Lauren's book The Blonde Girl. Uh. Sitting behind

1014
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: Paris and Rory at the graduation ceremony is Lauren's real

1015
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: life sister No yeah, yeah, yeah, half sister yeah or

1016
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: some sorry step sisters thanky um. When Rory is talking

1017
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: to Jess on the phone, she says, you ended up

1018
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: not taking me to my prom, but it was his

1019
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: prom they were played to attend. She should have said,

1020
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: you ended up not taking me to your prom? And

1021
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: he way, there you go anyway? The scene on that note,

1022
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: on that I was bummed that we never saw Dave,

1023
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: Regalski and Lane at the prom. We know it happened,

1024
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: and just got the box of pictures complete. That bum

1025
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: whole massive hole. I have not recovered from that, No,

1026
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: absolutely massive hole. The scene where Laurea la enters a

1027
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: diner and tells Luke not to get engaged. A surprising

1028
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: number of fans out there completely missed the fact that

1029
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: this is a dream sequence, right right, right right. Um.

1030
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: The two deleted scenes where Louise can't remember which of

1031
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: her father's ex wives mother is kind of hilarious and

1032
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: the creative, but a lot of people say lackluster scene

1033
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: with current day Laura, Lee and Rory intertwined with flashback

1034
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: Laurel and Rory. I act really really enjoyed that scene. Um. Anyway,

1035
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: there you go. That's season three wrap up, everybody, Thank

1036
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: you ladies. Next episode season four, episode one, the premiere

1037
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: is called Ballroom and Biscotty. I'm excited to see how

1038
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: things change. It's going to be you know, we'll take

1039
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: the summer off, not us. We're gonna be back at

1040
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: its European backpacking vacations for this gang. That's part of

1041
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: the budget. I think we're all going to meet in

1042
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: Vegas pretty soon. We'll be backpacking today. We have some

1043
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: exciting things coming, like some very special things. So the

1044
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: season four premiere is coming soon. But everyone, we've got

1045
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: some special things coming right before that. Okay, good enough anyway, gang,

1046
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: Thanks again, Tara su, Daniel Romo, and Miss Sugarman. That's

1047
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: going to wrap it up for this episode. Thank you

1048
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: for downloading. Everybody much love. Keep your comments coming. We

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