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Speaker 1: Hey, you welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is

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Speaker 1: Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 2: And this is Joe McCormick, and today we're bringing you

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Speaker 2: an older episode of Weird House Cinema. This originally published

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Speaker 2: November eighteenth, twenty twenty two, and it is the episode

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Speaker 2: you did with our old friend Seth on Flight of Dragons.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I thought to rerun this one because the

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Speaker 1: theme song out of Nowhere was suddenly stuck in my

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Speaker 1: head this morning and I was like, well, we've got

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Speaker 1: to do Flight.

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Speaker 3: Of Dragons again.

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Speaker 1: Then this one's a little under the radar, I think

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people, but if you saw it

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Speaker 1: back in the day, it probably has a very important

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Speaker 1: place in your heart.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb and I'm Seth Nicholas Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe is still out on parental leave, so Seth

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Speaker 1: is joining me once again, and we're going to discussing

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Speaker 1: a wonderful slice of early nineteen eighties animation. We're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about nineteen eighty two's The Flight of

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Speaker 1: Dragons from Rankin in Bass Seth, what's your history with

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Speaker 3: So I assumed this was pretty common in the eighties

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Speaker 3: and nineties when I was a child, But my family

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Speaker 3: had a large collection of VHS tapes that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think ever since the beginning of television, a big

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Speaker 3: to play old movies. And then ultimately someone was like, hey,

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Speaker 3: what if you make new movies for television. It's like

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Speaker 3: wow even more, you know. So yeah, I think most

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Speaker 3: first premiered on television in nineteen eighty six, I presume

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Speaker 3: like a label, I was just seeing, what are these things?

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Speaker 3: And one of them that I came across was the

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Speaker 3: Flight of Dragons, and it really fascinated me as a child.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I could really articulate as a

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Speaker 3: But now as an adult, I can go like, wow,

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Speaker 3: but mostly honestly for its visuals. Its visuals are really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this this one is. It's a real joy to watch.

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Speaker 1: I had not only had I never seen this before.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what was I don't remember exactly what

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Speaker 1: But this is one that I don't think I heard

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History. Casually mentioned it to me once. He's like,

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Speaker 1: And he gave me some brief description of it. I

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Speaker 3: No, it's a fascinating thing, and I think it's got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned those films in particular, because

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Speaker 1: Secret of Nim and The Last Unicorn, both again both

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Speaker 3: For me, I think that's perhaps a element of fantasy

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Speaker 1: I'll just say real quick, I never had this particular attachment,

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Speaker 1: it aired as an ABC movie special. It was the

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Speaker 1: ABC movie Well I don't know if it was ABC

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Speaker 1: And I think we're going to play the TV spot

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Speaker 1: for that in just a second. But first of all,

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Speaker 1: the elevator pitch. What's your elevator pitch for this flick? Here?

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Speaker 3: Seth straightforward, I would say an animated Dungeons and Dragons

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Speaker 3: campaign about science versus magic.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's good. It is a fantasy adventure

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Speaker 1: And I should also note I'll keep coming back to this.

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Speaker 1: But when I watched it for the first time, I

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Speaker 1: the scientific messaging. Nice. All right, Well, let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and listen to that trailer. Well TV spot audio, and

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Speaker 5: Tonight an ABC premiere presentation somewhere in another time, in

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Speaker 5: another place, Sizuma lives a realm of magic.

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Speaker 1: Man will never inherit mine to me.

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Speaker 5: Well, wizard's rule, we want none of your dark magic.

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Speaker 1: We're good battles.

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Speaker 5: The voices of email enter an enchanted kingdom from mystical

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Speaker 5: tale of Unforgettable Adventure. They'll flight of rackons.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I'm a sucker for a good TV

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Speaker 1: spot like that most definitely. Now, I would say word

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Speaker 3: Not only is the art style completely wrong, like the

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Speaker 3: Like the main character Peter almost looks like the page master,

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Speaker 3: That's not from the film. That's someone trying to cartoonify

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wait until we've talked a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: well let's start with the really the most obvious point

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Speaker 3: I love Ranking and Bass. I own so many Ranking

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Speaker 3: and Bass films late. Like we mentioned previously, I love

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Speaker 3: so I own a lot of Ranking and Bass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's it's hard to not

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Speaker 1: So Rankin and Bass we're talking about author Rankin Junior

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Speaker 1: who lived nineteen twenty four through twenty fourteen, and Jules

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Speaker 1: They both have director and producer credits on this. They

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Speaker 1: They were known, of course, for all those holiday films,

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Speaker 1: many of which were quote unquote anti magic. I believe

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Speaker 1: monster science of the dragons is all right out of

434
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Speaker 1: this book. And there's even more of it, Like there's

435
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: stuff about dragon blood and the chemical composition of dragon blood.

436
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: So I haven't had time to just devour it all,

437
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: but it's a really cool book, definitely worth picking up.

438
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's one of these where it's it's not

439
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: real history and it's not real science of dragons, but

440
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: it is it is all sort of speculative science of

441
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: dragons that I love it.

442
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 3: I mean, that's always fun stuff. I mean that stuff

443
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: you and Joe have done on this podcast often, which

444
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: is here's something unexplainable, let's explain it. Let's find a

445
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 3: way to make it work.

446
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a theory of dragonflight in this that we'll

447
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: describe when we get into the plot, and it's amazing.

448
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: I'd never thought of it before. My son was very

449
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 1: amused by it. It's great now. In addition to this,

450
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: because this is not a really a narrative book, this

451
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: is more of a here's the world of dragons and

452
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: how it works book. Apparently some story material also came

453
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Speaker 1: from the book The Dragon and the George by Gordon R. Dixon,

454
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: who lived nineteen twenty three through two thousand and one,

455
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Speaker 1: author of the Dragon Night series, of which I believe

456
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: this was the first volume the Child cycle, as well

457
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: as such novels as The Forever Man from nineteen eighty six.

458
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: He also wrote a whole bunch of short stories. All right,

459
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: let's get into the voice cast on this picture. It is,

460
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: as you might expect from this time period, rather interesting.

461
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: It's a mix of folks that might surprise you that

462
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: they're here at all, and there are also some just

463
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: really great voice actors that pop up as well. So,

464
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: first of all, there is a wizard in this by

465
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: the name of Carolinas who's very important. He's essentially our

466
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: main good wizard, and he is voiced by Harry Morgan

467
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: who lived nineteen fifteen through twenty eleven, and I have

468
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: to say this bit of casting feels a bit weird,

469
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: but also totally spot on for late seventies or early

470
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: eighties casting, for sure. He was an accomplished actor of

471
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: stage and screen well before TV's Mash. But Mash is

472
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: probably where a lot of people would recognize this guy from.

473
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: And if you hear his voice, he has that very

474
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: dry voice, kind of crackly American accent in this picture,

475
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: then you know exactly who this guy is. He was

476
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: also in Dragnet, so yeah, very much a Dragnet cop

477
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: voice for our weird nature wizard, which again feels kind

478
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: of strange, but all right. Morgan was also in nineteen

479
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: fifty two Is High Noon, nineteen forty two is the

480
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: ox Bow Incident, in nineteen sixties Inherent the Wind. He

481
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: was also just in a ton of TV over the years,

482
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: often doing little guest spots, showing up on such shows

483
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: as Night Gallery. He was in a segment on Night Gallery,

484
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: and he was also on an episode of The Simpsons,

485
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 1: just to name a couple of his many appearances. So

486
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: that's our main good wizard, but we also have an

487
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: evil wizard, as one tends to have in pictures like this.

488
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: This is the Wizard Ohmadon? Who and Ohmadon is voiced

489
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: by James ear Old Jones born nineteen thirty one. This is,

490
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: of course, the legendary actor of stage, screen, TV, and

491
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: more legendary is the voice behind Darth Vader in the

492
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: Star Wars franchise. He originated the role of Jack Jefferson

493
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: on Broadway in the Great White Hope, and gave a

494
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: really electric performance of that role in the nineteen seventy

495
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: five film adaptation. He's been in so many things we

496
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: can't even begin to list them all, including playing King

497
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: Jaffy in Coming to America, voicing Mufasa in The Lion King.

498
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: And there's also no shortage of weirder, smaller roles that

499
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: he did as well. And he needed TV work, but

500
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: he also pops up in things like Grim Prairie Tales

501
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety. There's a nineteen eighty two monster movie

502
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: that I was recently looking at called Blood Tide, where

503
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: he plays like a kind of suspicious archaeologist who may

504
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: have awakened a monster in Greece. I believe it's the plot.

505
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: He has a memorable role in nineteen eighty seven's May

506
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: Twan And the role that this performance I think mostly

507
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: made me think of is another performance from nineteen eighty two.

508
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: Hep of course, played the villainous wizard cult leader Thulsa

509
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: Doom in Conan, the Barbarian.

510
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: There's even a part in this film where he starts

511
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 3: saying doom, doom, doom, and it definitely connects the two

512
00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: in my mind.

513
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that part all right. We also have

514
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: a kind of befuddled writer character from our world, from

515
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: the normal human world, the world of science, who get

516
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: sucked into all of this. This is the character Peter Dickinson,

517
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: and this is yes, the same name as the actual

518
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: author of the Flight of Dragon's book, and he's voiced

519
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: by John Ritter. John Ritter, of course, lived nineteen forty

520
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: eight through two thousand and three, beloved TV and film actor.

521
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: He made a splash on the small screen for the

522
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: sitcom Three's Company, which I weirdly grew up watching a lot.

523
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: I think that was like a show that would be

524
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: on TV and syndication, and we generally, I think while

525
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: my mom was cooking dinner and we the kids, would

526
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: just watch Three's Company.

527
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 3: Did oh, I have no reason in my mind other

528
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: than the fact that it was on all the time. Like,

529
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: I didn't really care or even understand about the dynamics

530
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: of this household, but they were funny and John Ritdard

531
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: in particular, it was kind of a goofy, cartoony guy,

532
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: so at least he appealed the kids in a way.

533
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was weird because like, later on I would

534
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: learn that, oh yeah, this was like supposedly a risque

535
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: kind of TV show, and it was supposed to be like,

536
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: you know, breaking down boundaries, Like here's this guy and

537
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: he lives with these two women and they're keeping it

538
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: a secret from the landlord. All of that just completely

539
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: washed over me as a kid, and you just take

540
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 1: it at face value. It was like, oh, yeah, he

541
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: lives there with these these two women, and I guess

542
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: the he has these goofy, wacky landlords that they just

543
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: try and keep out.

544
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, he worked on two levels.

545
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: In addition to that, he also did a lot of

546
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: film though he did Sling Blade, Problem Child, Bride of Chucky,

547
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: and also a lot of TV shows, popping up in

548
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: guest spots, usually in episodes of stuff like Buffy, Tales

549
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: from the Crypt and News Radio of course, we also

550
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: have some dragon voices in this. The dragon r Rog

551
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: is voiced by Victor Bueno.

552
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: Oh wait a minute, a minute, I thought Rog was

553
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: the wolf.

554
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh, of course is the wolf. Yes, I

555
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: know we're getting ahead here. Yes, a wolf will show

556
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: up in this and he talks. Ag is voiced by

557
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: Victor of Bueno. This is the last role for this individual.

558
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: Longtime TV and film actor, probably best known for films

559
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: such as nineteen sixty two Is Whatever Having a Baby

560
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: Jane and nineteen seventies Beneath the Planet of the Apes,

561
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: in which he plays one of the mutants. I included

562
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: an image here for you, Seth in case you have

563
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: flashbacks to Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

564
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: Now, now, was he also King Tut in the Batman

565
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: Live action series? Or am I completely making that up?

566
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: I think this is true. Yes, one of the stills

567
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: that I grabbed shows I think images from both of these.

568
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: I think he did play King Tut. I've just been forbid. Yes, yes,

569
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: that is him. That is him.

570
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: A very strange character in the history of Batman. I

571
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: believe he was a college professor who was hit on

572
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 3: the head and then suddenly believed he was King Tut

573
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: and then would commit crimes befitting King Tuts trying to

574
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: exist in this modern twentieth century world of nineteen sixty

575
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: six Gotham City.

576
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 1: One of the most beloved Batman villains of all time,

577
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: right up there with a joker.

578
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll start it right below Egghead.

579
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm not really a Batman comics guy, but I do

580
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: seem to recall there have like Batman is never going

581
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: to end, and so inevitably creators have come back to

582
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: some of those villains from the Batman TV series and

583
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: found new things to do with them. And I think

584
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: I read something about like one where you had a

585
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: faction that had these sort of forgotten characters like King

586
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: Tut and Egghead.

587
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: I have read it. I have read it. It was

588
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: a complete series exclusively based on the nineteen sixty six

589
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: Batman television series, as if it continued on after the

590
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: television show. And no, it's wonderful. If you like Batman

591
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: sixty six the TV series, which I do very much,

592
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: it's fun just to have more adventures in that campy

593
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: world with these characters that never really got much attention

594
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: outside of that world.

595
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: All right, We also have Briog and Smurgle. These are

596
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: are these both dragons?

597
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: Smurgle definitely is Briog. I think that's the evil red

598
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: dragon and Smurgle is like the elderly good dragon. I

599
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: believe that's the two. But just like our God, there's

600
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of like just guttural noises. That's

601
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: just mythical creature.

602
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess this is draconic. This is the dragon language.

603
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: It all sounds like growling. But both of these characters

604
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: were voiced by James Gregory, who lived nineteen eleven through

605
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, New York actor. He had a

606
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: long running role on TV's Barney Miller. He was in

607
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: sixty two Is the Manchurian Candidate, he was in sixty

608
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: six Is murders Row. And he was also in nineteen

609
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: seventies Beneath the Planet of the Apes, in which he

610
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: played the ape general Ursus.

611
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: The Planet of the Apes franchise. Whenever anyone even just

612
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: starts talking about it, I always feel the poll just

613
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: to watch them all again. It's just there's something very

614
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: comfort about them, and I'm not quite sure what that is,

615
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: but but yeah, those are those are enjoyable films. The

616
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: original series, of course, is what I'm speaking of.

617
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to REWI guess I'm kind of waiting

618
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: until my son's ready for them, and then I'm gonna

619
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: definitely watch the first one, and I really want to

620
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: watch the second one again. I have a weird attachment

621
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: to beneath the planet of the Apes. If that is

622
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: the second one. There's not a one in between those two,

623
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: is there?

624
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 4: No?

625
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: No, that's the one. Yeah, that's the one where they are, like,

626
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: you know, worshiping the atomic bomb and all that kind

627
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: of stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's a fun one. I also

628
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: really like the one where the two apes go into

629
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: our modern world and are kind of like wandering around

630
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: to being like the toast of the town. I forget

631
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: which one that one is. It's like the Creature Walks

632
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: among Us, except it's about two ape creatures. It's fun.

633
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, same energy as that for sure.

634
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

635
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: All right. Getting into just a couple of smaller roles here,

636
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: Larry Storch plays the pawnbroker in this which is a

637
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: fun little role we'll discuss. But this guy lives nineteen

638
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: twenty three through twenty twenty two, actor and comedian but

639
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 1: I only really wanted to highlight him because he also

640
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: played the scout Master in nineteen eighties Without Warning, which

641
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: of course was the first episode of Weird House.

642
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: Cinema classic for that reason alone.

643
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: We have a voice in this film. It's sort of

644
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: a power, almost a deity. It is known as Antiquity,

645
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: and it is voiced by Paul Freese, who lived nineteen

646
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: twenty through nineteen eighty six. He's actually, I believe, uncredited

647
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: on this film, but this was a long time voiceover

648
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: voice actor that frequently popped up and rank it in

649
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: Bass productions.

650
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: Also, Paul Freese did the voice, also uncredited, of Soilarius

651
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: the Blue Wizard, another role which once again in the

652
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: credits for no reason, he just doesn't get credited, but

653
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: there he is. He plays one of our main four

654
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: wizards as well, but one of the lesser ones, one

655
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: of the ones with fewer lines.

656
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: I do always find it interesting when you look back

657
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: at at voice acting in the nineteen eighties and earlier,

658
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: like sometimes you would find situations where they just have

659
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: one voice actor to just do numerous voices in ways

660
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: that you, I guess you certainly don't see as much

661
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: on modern animated pictures. Right.

662
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's actually, to me the worst part about that.

663
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: Think about Looneytun's shorts. For example, Mel Blank did almost

664
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: every cartoon voice almost all of them. However, there are

665
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: two other actors which are very prominent in that world.

666
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: One is June Foray and one is Arthur q Brian.

667
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: Arthur q Brian is mostly known for the Elmer Fudd voice.

668
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: That was not Mel Blank, that was Arthur q Brian

669
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 3: and June Foray. Basically most of the female characters, like Witch, Hazel,

670
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, they often were never credited in

671
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: these old Looney Tunes shorts. All the voice credits always

672
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: just went to Mel Blank for the longest time. And

673
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: there's no particular reason other than you know, ego or

674
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, perhaps trying to fool people into thinking

675
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: he did more than he did. It's it's just a

676
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: weird practice, and it still happens. There's a lot of

677
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: that of people not getting credit for work that they

678
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: have done, or it's just a strange practice that still

679
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: exists in the entertainment industry.

680
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: All Right. Finally, on the music front, first of all,

681
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: the score we tend to highlight the score of the

682
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: score is by Marie Laws, who lived nineteen twenty three

683
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: through twenty nineteen. Also scored The Last Dinosaur as well

684
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: as The Hobbit from seventy seven and other various ranking

685
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: and bass joints. But the real juicy part of the

686
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: music is, of course, the theme song to the Flight

687
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: of Dragons. This has really just gotten its hooks into

688
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: my brain ever since I watched this film last week.

689
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: If I even see the book The Flight of Dragons

690
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: on the shelf, my brain will just automatically go Flight

691
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: of Dragons. And it's the voice of Don McLain born

692
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, American music legend singing the Flight of

693
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: Dragons theme song.

694
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 3: I mean mister American Pie himself.

695
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now he didn't write this one, I believe, but

696
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: he does perform it, and it's it's a fun, little

697
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: little theme song. It's it. At first, it might feel

698
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of weird because it it does not feel medieval.

699
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't know not. I mean not that the theme

700
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: song to The Less Unicorn by America feels medieval either,

701
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: but that's a great one as well, So I don't know.

702
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: I think it absolutely works here. I absolutely can't get

703
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: it out of my head.

704
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: That's the tone for sure.

705
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gives it like an airy, dreamy vibe. Yeah,

706
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: so it totally works.

707
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: All right. Are we ready to talk about the actual

708
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: the plots of this film.

709
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into it.

710
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 3: So we begin with a shot of mountaintops and they

711
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: are crusting through a sea of clouds. The sun is

712
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: low on the horizon, and we slowly move in on

713
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: a figure dressed in green robes standing up the precipice

714
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: of the highest mountain. This green cloaked figure shouts out, gorbash, gorbash, Come,

715
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: and a large green dragon, maybe like ten times the

716
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: size of the shouting figure. He just kind of pulls

717
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: up next to the mountaintop and allows what we can

718
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: now see as an elderly looking man with a long

719
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: white beard to step onto its back. The man of

720
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: the dragon take off into the sky and join an

721
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 3: already established thunder of dragons. Now I had to look

722
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: this up. I was like, what is a group of

723
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: dragons called? And, because of course they are fictional, I

724
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: actually found many, many different words to describe a group

725
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: of dragons. My favorite was thunder, So I'm going to

726
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 3: refer to that a thunder of dragons just sounds very

727
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 3: cool to me. However, another explanation for a group of dragons,

728
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 3: another word for that is a flight of dragons, which

729
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: will be brought up multiple times actually in this movie.

730
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 3: So I suppose I should use that term. But thunder

731
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: of dragons just sounded so cool to me.

732
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: That does. That sounds good.

733
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: So the figure in green monologues to himself a bit

734
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: about how the world is in a transition period between

735
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: magic and science, and he just kind of wonders to

736
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 3: himself what he's gonna do about that, you know. So

737
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: so from there, the epic theme song from Don McClain begins,

738
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: and there's a long credit sequence showing this group of dragons,

739
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: this thunder of dragons in flight.

740
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: Long.

741
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: This was just a thing they did back in the

742
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 3: late seventies, early eighties. This is the kind of moment

743
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 3: that when I was a child I would fast forward through,

744
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: but as an adult I appreciate.

745
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: If memory serves this is actually a sequence from later

746
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: on in the picture, right, that they just went ahead

747
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: and front loaded to just give you a give you

748
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: a lot of dragons to look at while you listen

749
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: to this wonderful Do McClain song, so you know, fair enough?

750
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not? It is beautiful, so why not? But

751
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: much like a cheer up Charlie in a Charlie in

752
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: the chocolate factory, or let's see, would the other one be?

753
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: It was a candle on the water in Pete's Dragon.

754
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: These were those eighties seventies ballads that were they put

755
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: in children's films that I just fast forwarded through.

756
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: Now at this point, since we've mentioned the dragons and

757
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: we've seen multiple dragons, should point out that, yes, the

758
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: dragons in this film are as my son described them, chonky.

759
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: They are big chonky dragons, and at first you might

760
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: look at these and think, I just can't. I did

761
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: not feel in these big chonky dragons. But I would

762
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: just advise you to stay seated until the film can

763
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: reach its cruising altitude because this will make perfect sense

764
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: in a bit.

765
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's necessary. They're chunk is very necessary. So after

766
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: this montage of dragons flying through the sky, several of

767
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: the dragons land on a river bank, and we see

768
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: a few other mythical creatures, including some pegasi, which I

769
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: presume is the plural for pegasus. Do you think so pegasi?

770
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: I guess you get into that weird situation where is

771
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Pegasus an individual or is Pegasus a species.

772
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: And so forth. So more than one Pegasus is on

773
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: this bank amongst some fairies who are riding down the river,

774
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: floating on the back of a swan. But oh no,

775
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: this swan that the fairies are riding on, and the

776
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 3: fairies themselves are suddenly sucked into a water wheel attached

777
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: to a mill, and they are mangled and presumed dead.

778
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: They are lifeless. But this green cloaked figure who we

779
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 3: have seen flying around in the back of the dragon,

780
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 3: he lays his hands upon the swan and the fairies

781
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: and he revives them. We must assume bringing them back

782
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: to life. And this is like the first like visual

783
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: metaphor for kind of the overarching thesis of this film.

784
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: You know, can this technology, this water wheel exist in

785
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: the same world as this magic these fairies, Like can

786
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,959
Speaker 3: they coexist or is one destroying the other?

787
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: You know.

788
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 3: So the man is upset and he yells at the mill,

789
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: you know, be careful if you're technology. And then the

790
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: mill workers come out and they start belittling the man

791
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: in green and he says, no, I am Carolinas I'm

792
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: the protagonist of this film. I am the Green Wizard.

793
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 3: You know. My domain is the green world, nature itself

794
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: and all of its inhabitants. You know. The mill workers,

795
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: they're like whatever, and they start throwing large rocks at

796
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: Carolinas and just tell them to go away. Now, Carolinus

797
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: is mad, so he casts a spell to destroy their

798
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: water wheel. But as he casts it, the spell just

799
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: kind of fizzles out and just kind of plops into

800
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: the river and has no effect. Thus the ridicule from

801
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 3: the mill workers increases, and he's just having a bad day.

802
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, this this was unexpected because when this looked like

803
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: he was going to really come down hard on these

804
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: awful mill workers, and my son was like, well, they

805
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: brought this on themselves. He was ready for it, and

806
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: he was totally supporting anything he was about to do.

807
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: But then the spell fizzles out and he just kind

808
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: of has to walk away.

809
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: So Carolinas walks home dejected. He actually lives nearby. These

810
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: are his neighbors, you know, and he's comforted by his daughter,

811
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: Princess Melissandra. And we'll see here more and throughout the story.

812
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: And so Carolinus is thinking to himself, what am I

813
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: going to do about this? So he summons his three

814
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: brothers to a meeting. This is the first time they've

815
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: all come together in four hundred years, because they need

816
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: to have a discussion about the state of magic. So

817
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: he sends off the letters on owls as you do. However,

818
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: one thing I learned recently. Did you know that owls

819
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: are actually the slowest birds? So there are four terrible

820
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: conveyance for messages. You know, he's a quicker bird, please,

821
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 3: But anyway, magic.

822
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Joe and I did an episode

823
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: a while back talking about the idea of using things

824
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: other than pigeons as messengers, like ravens or owls, and

825
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: we talked about some of the possibilities and limitations with

826
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: these different species. But yeah, we somehow didn't touch on

827
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: the flying speed of the common owl.

828
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: Hey, you know, there are more important things than speed.

829
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: You know, there's all kinds of aspects we could look into.

830
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 3: But let's meet our three other wizards. So they're all

831
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 3: color coded to keep everyone straight on these. So we've

832
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: met Carolinas. He's the green wizard, Nature Grass, all the creatures,

833
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: you got it green. Next, we have silarious the Blue Wizard.

834
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: He is the lord of the depths and the heights.

835
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: His realm is outer space, deepest ocean, and highest mountain.

836
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: So that's pretty cool.

837
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's he's kind of almost like a sea deity,

838
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: but in the like in the older sense where you know,

839
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: you have a situation where you know, the Greek god

840
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: of the ocean beside and is not limited at the sea,

841
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: like he's the sea is like one of his domains,

842
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: but he has domains beyond the sea as well.

843
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: I love the combination of outer space and deepest ocean

844
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: because it does make a lot of sense in a

845
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: lot of ways. No air, big murky, bluish black voids,

846
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: like you know, it's a fun juxtaposition. I dig it.

847
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: Next up we have Lota Jao. This is the Golden Wizard.

848
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: His realm is light and air. He's the lord of transcendence, healing,

849
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: and contemplation. Once again, love it. I also love that

850
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: because he is designed as like you know, more of

851
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: like an Eastern wizard. His dragon is the only one

852
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 3: in the whole movie that is like an Eastern style dragon,

853
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: which is pretty cool.

854
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is a cool dragon. And my son

855
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: for the most part like this one. But he did

856
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: point out, well, it does have tiny wings, and you

857
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: tend not to find wings of any sort on Eastern dragons.

858
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I had to look it up in the source book.

859
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: Here there is an illustration of a Chinese dragon, and

860
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: then there's a bit about Chinese dragons, and they don't

861
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: have tiny wings on it.

862
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: So interesting. I wonder if they were trying to maybe

863
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: perhaps patch a plot hole, because later on we do

864
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 3: find out the importance of the wing when they start

865
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: discussing the science of how dragons fly. So yeah, I wonder,

866
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: I wonder what kind of thought went into that. But well,

867
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: I guess we'll see.

868
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: Well, even the book seems a little conflicted on this,

869
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: because the picture of the Chinese dragon has no wings,

870
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: but then the text says that that they do have

871
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: wings that are just not as noticeable. So huh, I

872
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: guess fair enough. If you try and put those two

873
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: together and come up with some version that can work

874
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: on the screen, you just throw some tiny wings in

875
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: there and call.

876
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: It a dead Well, we'll discuss that when we get

877
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: to the science of dragons flying. Because I have a

878
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: thought about the differences between the Eastern and the Western Dragon,

879
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: but we'll get there.

880
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

881
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: Now our fourth wizard, this is the evil one we

882
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: mentioned to the James Earl Jones wizard. This is Ohmadon,

883
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: the Red Wizard, Lord of the Devil's Domain, seducer of Darkness,

884
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: master of black magic. He's our villain. And man, he's beautiful.

885
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: I love the design of oh Maadon.

886
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Like he's robe, he's of course wearing red

887
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: and dark colors, but he has stars on his robes

888
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: as well as opposed to skulls or anything. They are stars.

889
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: And then his face too, he's like he's not really

890
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: he's either beyond human at this point or has some

891
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: sort of hybridity going on, because he has like this

892
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: kind of beastly, almost rat like catlike face.

893
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And he morphs at various times throughout

894
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: this film, and it's all gorgeous. He's he's the one

895
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 3: to watch for visual splendor.

896
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: And the James Earl Jones voice performance on this character

897
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: is just absolutely great. I mean, James Earl Jones is

898
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: not just laying back in his chair or sitting in

899
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: a hammock reading lines on this He's just chewing every

900
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: bit of dialogue. Up and spitting it out and it's wonderful.

901
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, per So these four wizards, just to remind everyone,

902
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: we got a Green Wizard, we got a Blue Wizard,

903
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: we have a Gold Wizard, we have a Red Wizard.

904
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 3: Those are the four. They will come up, but mostly

905
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: we're focusing on Green and Red. Those are the primary antagonist.

906
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 3: Protaganis so at their meeting the four brothers, they discuss

907
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: that magic is getting weaker because humankind is choosing logic

908
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: over magic. But Carolinas has a plan though. He wants

909
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: the four wizards to consolidate their power and create a

910
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 3: realm of magic, sealed off from the rest of the

911
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: world where magic can live and survive, almost just like

912
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: you know, a little terrarium of like all the magical creatures,

913
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: all the magic, where it's like, hey, we don't own

914
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: the world, but in this zone we have full magical power.

915
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 3: That's his plan. The Blue Wizard and the Golden Wizard

916
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: agree and pledge their help. The Red Wizard Omadon no, no, no,

917
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: he disagrees. He calls this proposed magic realm a retirement

918
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 3: home for magic, and he would rather destroy humankind. And

919
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: his method is really fascinating. Basically he says, like, I

920
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: will take their worst instincts and basically use them against themselves,

921
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: you know, more or less kind of like playing into

922
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: the idea of like, oh, you want to build a bomb,

923
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: I will help you build the biggest bomb humans. You know, Oh,

924
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: you want to distrust each other, you should distrust everybody

925
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: And really just like leaning into the worst aspects of

926
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 3: humankind and using it to destroy ourselves. That's his magic plan.

927
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, inviting omadan really couldn't have gone worse here for everyone,

928
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: And I do love the villainous take he has on

929
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: all of this. It reminds me a lot of some

930
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: of the concepts that Michael Inda explored in the book

931
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: The Never Ending Story, because in this work, in the

932
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: Flight of Dragons, there is this idea that they discuss

933
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: a lot where magic is kind of the inspiration for

934
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: humans to do great things but also potentially terrible things,

935
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: as Omadon is channeling here. And in The Never Ending

936
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: Story we get this idea that's particularly presented by the

937
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: gomorph and discussing the motivations of the nothing and the

938
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: powers beyond the nothing that like the same energy that

939
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: gives a child imagination and gives imaginative individual the chance

940
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: to dream and create these magical worlds. It also is

941
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: the same energy that can be twisted into the domain

942
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: of lies and deception. And so I think that's that's

943
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: kind of echoed in this work as.

944
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: Well, most definitely. And there is even a point just

945
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: in case a kid is watching this and thinking to themselves,

946
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 3: you know, this doesn't make any sense. Princess Melissandra, she

947
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 3: says to Carolina's her father and goes, why are you

948
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: even inviting this guy? You know, Oh, Maadon's a jerk.

949
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: Don't don't invite him. And Carolinas has a stock answer,

950
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: but he's just like, hey, you know, good can't exist

951
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: without evil. He is necessary, you know. And it's like,

952
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: all right, all right, I'll buy that. In a fantasy realm,

953
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 3: we'll take that. So Omadon wants to destroy humankind. He

954
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: does not want to, you know, hide his magic away.

955
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: So the three good Wizards Blue Green, and they decide

956
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: that they must stop the Red Wizard from destroying humanity.

957
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: But because there is a rule with their like wizard God,

958
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: which we will get into, it's it's it's an entity

959
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: known as antiquity. Well, we'll get there. There is a

960
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: wizard law that says you are not able to fight

961
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 3: against another wizard and Antiquity this this wizard god will

962
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: basically ensure that. I believe, they start getting mad at Omadon,

963
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: and Antiquity starts causing like an earthquake and dropping like

964
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 3: giant stones near them and stuff like that. So they

965
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: can't do it. They cannot fight Ohmadon. So they decide

966
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: to use their magic to inspire a quest to go

967
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: take Omadon's Red Crown to basically destroy Ohmadon. So again

968
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: with the wizarding laws which will come up, and we

969
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: almost have to go, you know what, just go with it.

970
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: You know, when the wizarding laws come up, we'll just go, Okay,

971
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 3: that's the wizarding law. I don't know this wizarding world.

972
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: I'll take your word for it. So another wizarding law

973
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: says that a magic quest must have three core members.

974
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: Carolinas picks an old knight that he knows, someone who

975
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 3: he knows to be trustworthy and brave, Sir orn Neville Smythe.

976
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: He also picks his dragon that we met at the

977
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: very beginning, Gorbash, who is young and perhaps a bit

978
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: of foolhardy, but very brave, very strong. So Gorbash the

979
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: Green Dragon he'll go to, but he doesn't know who

980
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: to pick is the leader. He can't really figure that out,

981
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: so he goes later that night to talk to Antiquity

982
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: once again. This is like the wizard God more or less,

983
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: and it's represented by a silver tree that just kind

984
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: of grows out of the ground. Again just go with it,

985
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: and Antiquity tells Carolinus that the leader of the quest

986
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: is in the future and that he is Peter Dickinson.

987
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: He is the correct choice for this quest and the

988
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 3: only choice for this quest because he is the descendant

989
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: of a great dragon master, but he is also the

990
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: first in this line that is also a man of science.

991
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 3: Carolina is confused about this. He's like, I don't know,

992
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: you know, why do we need that? By Antiquity is like,

993
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: come on, I'm god, you know, and he's like, all right, fine,

994
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 3: I'm fine, fine, we'll do this. So Carolinus is given

995
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: a silver acorn by Antiquity the silver tree, and he

996
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: throws it into a limpid pool under the direction of Antiquity,

997
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: and now he can see Peter Dickinson in the future,

998
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: specifically they say, I think it's like they call it

999
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: like the final you know, death rattle of the twentieth century. Here,

1000
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: however they phrase it, but anyway, the end of the

1001
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 3: late twentieth century. So we can assume it's probably nineteen

1002
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: eighty two, just like you know, just like it was made.

1003
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 3: And so we meet Peter. He is developing a D

1004
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 3: and D style board game called Flight of Dragons, and

1005
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: he's showing it to a friend of his who runs

1006
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 3: a pawn shop, and he's discussing, Oh, I really want

1007
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: to get this game made, but I need money, so

1008
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: maybe I can pawn this watch, and the pawnbroker's like,

1009
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 3: that watch isn't worth anything. And then he also explains

1010
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: that he's also writing a book called Flight of Dragons,

1011
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 3: and that basically he's just obsessed with dragons. He really

1012
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 3: wants to figure out how dragons fly, how they breathe, fire,

1013
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: et cetera. He's just he is. He's a dragon fanatic.

1014
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: However, does not seem like really would be your first

1015
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: pick to lead an adventuring party into the heart of

1016
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: darkness to stop an evil sorcerer. But antiquity knows better

1017
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: than we do.

1018
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, because every character mentions that. Every characters like,

1019
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: are you sure this guy you know? And so yeah,

1020
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: Peter and the pawn broker are playing their D and

1021
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 3: D style board game together and all the figures on

1022
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: the board are all of Carolinas's brothers and himself and

1023
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 3: Princess melissand and the dragons. And he's like, Okay, that's

1024
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: that's a pretty big sign like something's going on here.

1025
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: I better come get this guy. So he uses his magic. Now.

1026
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 3: Now remember Carolinas doesn't actually have a lot of magic

1027
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: these days, so this is a pretty this this is

1028
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: an expensive use of his magic to go get Peter

1029
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: in the future and bring him back to his time.

1030
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: This is where I mentioned is that really beautiful shot

1031
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: of them both riding on top of a of a

1032
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: pair of dice and spinning through the air and then

1033
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 3: they're falling blah blah blah. It's it's it's quite beautiful.

1034
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's that. So we're now introduced to ay

1035
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: that go back in time. We are we are with

1036
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: them back in the magical age where our story is,

1037
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: and we're introduced to a b story where Peter is

1038
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 3: now in love with Carolinas's daughter Princess Melissandra doesn't really

1039
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: affect the story. It's just it's a subplot. Don't really

1040
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 3: worry about it. It's just there. Uh So at this point,

1041
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: it turns out that almost all of the dragons have

1042
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: joined Omadon because he used black magic on them. The

1043
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: only remaining dragons on the hero's side are Gorbash and

1044
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: smurgle U. Smergle is Gorbash's elderly uncle. He's not quite

1045
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 3: as spry, but he's he's very knowledgeable.

1046
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: So now Omadan has not only one fierce dragon, but

1047
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: also an entire army of dragons at his disposal.

1048
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: Yes, we will see later that the other two wizards

1049
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 3: still have control of Oh yeah, I guess we should

1050
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 3: mention this. Each of the four wizard brothers, each of

1051
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 3: the four colors, they each have their own more or

1052
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 3: less pet dragon. They're familiar dragon. However, the other two,

1053
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: the Gold Wizard and the Blue Wizard, theirs don't join Omadon.

1054
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: And yet they don't. They also don't help, so I

1055
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: don't know why. Maybe they're just too far away. Who knows.

1056
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: They contribute magical items.

1057
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 3: Seth, that's true. We do, get, of course, some magical items.

1058
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: This is actually my favorite part of this movie, especially

1059
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 3: to me as a child. Peter, as the fish out

1060
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: of water character, he makes a lot of discoveries throughout

1061
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 3: the film that kind of like define like the canon

1062
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: of being a dragon. You know, this was his goal.

1063
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 3: He wanted to learn more about dragons. Now he gets

1064
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: to do it firsthand. And so now he gets to

1065
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: learn about this biology of dragons and how they work.

1066
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 3: And this will occur throughout the film, but I'll point

1067
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: them out as dragon can in facts when they do

1068
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 3: so dragon can in fact number one. He just kind

1069
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 3: of hears this in conversation amongst the dragons. A dragon

1070
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 3: having a horde of gold is a pretty common thing.

1071
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 3: It's it's in all the fantasy literature that you come across,

1072
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 3: whether it be a Tolkien or oh gosh, what's his

1073
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: name of the guy that made the Chronicles of Narnia.

1074
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, Lewis C. S. Lewis.

1075
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, A dragon's horde of gold is a pretty

1076
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 3: common thing. Why well, in this they describe that it's

1077
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: because dragons need somewhere soft to sleep that won't accidentally

1078
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: catch on fire, because even while they sleep, they could

1079
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: actually you know, spark it you know, with with their

1080
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 3: fire breath and they just need somewhere that's you know, unflammable,

1081
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 3: not flammable.

1082
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, I love it.

1083
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: Why not?

1084
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: I never I'd never thought about this sort of thing before.

1085
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: When it comes to the gold and this is Yeah,

1086
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 1: this is a perfect explanation. Granted, it does raise questions

1087
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: like why don't they sleep on lead and so forth,

1088
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: and then gold is soft into being shiny and prize,

1089
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: so I absolutely buy it.

1090
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I remember we mentioned this a long

1091
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: time ago about a child's love for learning canon facts.

1092
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but like like hearing,

1093
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 3: like the definitive version of like classic creatures, classic tales,

1094
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 3: et cetera, is something that children just love. Myself included.

1095
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: So therefore I really loved these when I was watching

1096
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: this movie as a child. Yeah.

1097
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, my son really started getting into the dragons at

1098
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: this point when when this film, when they start explaining

1099
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: how they work within the context of.

1100
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: The film, So Carolinas, before this big quest kicks off,

1101
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: he gives Peter two gifts. Now, these aren't really that important,

1102
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: but they do help in the trials later, so I

1103
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: got to mention them. One is the Shield of Saturn.

1104
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 3: It's a big golden shield, and the other is the

1105
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: flute of Olympus, and uh yeah these will aid in

1106
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: trials later, but don't worry about it. Meanwhile, Omadon sends

1107
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: is big dragon familiar to kill Peter, and Carolinas tries

1108
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 3: to save him, but in using a magic spell, he

1109
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: accidentally merges Peter's mind into Gorbash's body. Gorbash, if you remember,

1110
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: is the big green dragon from the beginning. So yes,

1111
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: our hero is now a giant dragon. So fun right.

1112
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think this is a point in the

1113
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: film where I think everything really picked up for us

1114
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: as viewers, because now we don't just have Peter the

1115
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: sort of fish out of water character. Now he is

1116
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: in the body of a dragon. So now all the

1117
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: things he's learning about dragons is also him trying to

1118
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: figure out how to function as a dragon, and it

1119
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: just makes everything a lot more entertaining.

1120
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: It's a great way to kind of like dole out

1121
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: some exposition is like you know, a newbie learning the ropes.

1122
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: It's great and it introduces a lot of room for

1123
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: comedy too, Like, oh am I doing it right? I

1124
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm falling out of the Sky.

1125
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: And so forth exactly. But like we said, wizard laws

1126
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: dictate that there must be three members on a magic quest.

1127
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 3: And now since two of our members are merged into one,

1128
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: Peter and gorbash, we're back to two again. We need

1129
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: a third member, so we have the night we have

1130
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: Peter in Gorbasch's body, and so Smergle, the elderly dragon,

1131
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 3: joins the quest to make up for that lost member.

1132
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: So we're back to three again. The magic quest can begin.

1133
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 3: So on the quest, Smergle is now instructing dragon Peter

1134
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,959
Speaker 3: on how to be a dragon, so we get more

1135
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: dragon can in facts. I love these, This one's fun.

1136
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed this. So dragon can in fact number two,

1137
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: Dragons eat diamonds and to get them into their craw.

1138
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 3: In the film, we see them actually like bullying some

1139
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: dwarfs to make them look force them to bring them

1140
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: out giant sacks full of diamonds, and then they just

1141
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: gobble them up right away. Peter actually feels a little

1142
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 3: bad about this. So picture that a dragon eats a

1143
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: sack full of diamonds, puts in in his craw much

1144
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 3: like a bird, and then they start to eat limestone,

1145
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: which will then be ground up by the diamonds, much

1146
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 3: like a bird uses a grit to grind up feed

1147
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 3: because they don't have teeth. Okay, so limestone is high

1148
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: in calcium, which mixes with the stomach acid to create hydrogen.

1149
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 3: So then hydrogen is lighter than air and expands their bodies,

1150
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 3: giving them that chonky look and giving them their ability

1151
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 3: to fly much in the same way a blimp does.

1152
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my goodness, I absolutely love this. And again

1153
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: this is out of the book as well, that the

1154
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: dragons of the Flight of Dragons are essentially hydrogen airships. Yeah,

1155
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: self powered hydrogen airships. It's fabulous.

1156
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 3: So that's where the wings factor in and their long

1157
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: like snake like bodies or I should say, you know,

1158
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 3: lizard like. Either way, that's how they propel themselves is

1159
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: with these wings much like an airplane, much like a blimp. Yeah,

1160
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: just just they are just floating and then they're they're appendages,

1161
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 3: their wings, tail, arms, whatever. That's what actually guides them

1162
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: through the air. So how are they going to get down?

1163
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 3: That's an important aspect to this. They need to expel

1164
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 3: the hydrogen. So for a dragon, expelling the hydrogen is

1165
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 3: done by breathing fire. Now they don't fully explain this

1166
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 3: in the movie, but I think the logic in my

1167
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 3: mind goes, you need to It can't just be like

1168
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 3: a balloon letting off hydrogen, because if that's the case,

1169
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: it'll push you in a different direction because they'll be

1170
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 3: forced coming out. What you need is a way to

1171
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 3: expel it in a controlled way, which is why they

1172
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 3: ignite the expelled hydrogen to breathe fire. Doesn't quite make

1173
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 3: sense in my mind, but that's they don't really explain

1174
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 3: it either. In fact, Peter asks Smirgle, he goes, wait,

1175
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 3: so why is it fire? He's like, cause we're dragons,

1176
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: we'd breathe fire now here. This is the part I love.

1177
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: Smirgle explains that the hydrogen is ignited because dragons have

1178
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 3: something in their mouth known as a thor's thimble. It's

1179
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 3: in the roof of their mouth and has the ability

1180
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 3: to spark, and we'll basically ignite the hydrogen much like

1181
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: an electric stove ignites you know, gas. And that's fun too.

1182
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: More dragon facts.

1183
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this this was all all pretty fabulous and

1184
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about the potential plot holes in

1185
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: any of it because it was just while watching the film,

1186
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: you're just completely like, oh my goodness, this this is it. Yes,

1187
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: I buy it. And then you have the fun banter

1188
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: between the the dragon mentor and Peter in dragon form

1189
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: because he keeps asking obsessive, science leaning questions, and the

1190
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: answers are often along the lines of because we're dragons.

1191
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 3: Yes, Smirkle has not thought about this very much, and

1192
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 3: he's okay with that. Peter should think, yeah, less about this,

1193
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 3: so says Smirkle.

1194
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't think about it, just do it. Just fly.

1195
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 3: Uh So at this point, basically this turns into a

1196
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 3: D and D campaign. That's the that's the remainder of

1197
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 3: this movie. There's not really much to talk about from

1198
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 3: from from here on out, so we'll go through it quickly.

1199
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 3: But along the way they face various trials and meet

1200
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 3: new allies that joined them. One ally is named Orog.

1201
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: That's the wolf character they talked about. He's an undead

1202
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 3: talking wolf. They describe it briefly, but basically he drowned

1203
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 3: and then one of the wizards was like, Hey, if

1204
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: you do me this favor, I'll bring it back to life,

1205
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 3: and so he does. He comes back and saves our heroes,

1206
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 3: which just works. Another is Danielle of the Woodlands. She's

1207
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 3: a very skilled archer and warrior. Another one is Giles

1208
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 3: of the Tree Tops. He is the leader of the

1209
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: wood Elves. They all join this magic quest and the

1210
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 3: party looks more and more Tolkien as time passes. You know,

1211
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 3: there's a variety of trials they go through. There are

1212
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 3: these sonic rat things which were really beautiful. They were

1213
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: just kind of these odd like goblin rats that let

1214
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 3: off a real high pitched noise that drove the listener

1215
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 3: to be very ill tempered, and they had to destroy them.

1216
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 3: It was fascinating.

1217
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: Oh, that sequence was great because I didn't really know

1218
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: what was going to happen. I wasn't sure what they

1219
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: kind of they presented this threat slowly and you're not

1220
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: sure what. You know, you they're about to run into something,

1221
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: but you can't really tell what it is. And then yeah,

1222
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: it's it's this weird concept of screeching rat things that

1223
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: like destroy your mind and so forth.

1224
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 3: It was done very well and very fun to watch.

1225
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 3: The next trial I also really enjoyed it was this Ogre. Oh,

1226
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 3: this ogre other than Omadon was probably my favorite thing

1227
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 3: to look at, just just beautifully depicted. And they also

1228
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,919
Speaker 3: threw in some like fun ogre facts about like why

1229
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: ogres are like so sturdy and kind of almost invincible

1230
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 3: in many ways, And a big part of it I

1231
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 3: really loved was that ogres have very very thick bones

1232
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 3: that they don't have much flesh. Most of their body

1233
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 3: is boned, and I was like, Oh, that's fun, like

1234
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 3: just picturing that ogre skeleton in my mind. You know.

1235
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: He also has three eyes, but only two are functional,

1236
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: like one lost sight.

1237
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 3: I love it. The one of the one in the

1238
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: middle of his head is is his additional eye, but

1239
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 3: one of his like traditional eyes, I believe it was

1240
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 3: his left eye, was was gone. So it's just just gorgeous,

1241
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 3: really gorgeous, real meaty fella, you know. Uh. Then then

1242
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: there's this worm thing, also very beautiful to look at,

1243
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 3: but it is pretty quickly dispatched. And then then Omadon's

1244
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 3: getting involved because they're getting much closer to his home base,

1245
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: and he casts this doubt spell that basically just makes

1246
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 3: everyone depressed and everyone just has imposter syndrome, like oh,

1247
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 3: I'm no good, you know, And that's that's pretty fun.

1248
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: They overcome that along with this giant dragon swarm by uh,

1249
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 3: let's see here, what's what's the order of it. I

1250
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 3: believe the doubt spell is dispelled by the magic shield

1251
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 3: that he was given earlier. And then there's a giant

1252
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 3: dragon swarm that comes soon after that, and that's dispelled

1253
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 3: by the magic flute, which the the gosh the wood elf.

1254
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 3: He he plays the magic flute, and this makes all

1255
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 3: the dragons fall asleep, including Peter, you know, because he's like, hey,

1256
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: we got to do this quick play that flute. I

1257
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 3: know would make me fall asleep, but it's got to happen,

1258
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: you know.

1259
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: This is this is weird how this one lined up

1260
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: because we watched that, My son and I watched this

1261
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: film while we were also watching the new season of

1262
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: The Dragon Prints. Both of these have plot elements involving

1263
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: magical musical instruments that put dragons to sleep.

1264
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 3: Nice. Nice, Yeah, So this this works, and then we're

1265
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: into the final battle. Now here's where it's going to begin.

1266
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 3: With Peter facing off against Omadon, and the first thing

1267
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 3: he does is he breaks the spell of his dragon

1268
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 3: merge through logic, so when he falls asleep, basically when

1269
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: he awakens, he's man Peter again, and someone asked him, like,

1270
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 3: how'd you do that? He's like, oh, well, two objects

1271
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 3: can't you know, occupy the same space. That's just logic.

1272
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 3: So I logiced my way out of that dragon. And

1273
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 3: everyone's like all right, you know, sure, But at.

1274
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: This point it's is Peter the human against Ohmadon, this

1275
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: all powerful wizard. So already this is a point where

1276
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: we're suddenly I feel like an uncharted territory because we

1277
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: were setting everything up for more of a traditional high

1278
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: fantasy battle and now we're somewhere else, like all the

1279
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Speaker 1: big flight of dragons has been put to sleep, and

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Speaker 1: let's see, have we I think we've at this point

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Speaker 1: lost a few characters as well.

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, some folks have have definitely not worked out,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a scene where our our Night bites it

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Speaker 1: battling a dragon, the big bad dragon that serves Omadon. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's a we lose our archer. I think we also

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Speaker 1: lose our wood Elf.

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Speaker 3: I think he gets thrown against a stone cliff and

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Speaker 3: is at least passed out, if not dead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there, at any rate, they're all taken out

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Speaker 1: of the equation. So instead of getting this continuation of

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Speaker 1: the fantasy battle that we seem to have been set up,

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Speaker 1: it is this standoff between a sorcerer and a game design.

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Speaker 3: And first of all, Omadon rerupts into this giant, multi

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Speaker 3: headed dragon and it's the prettiest thing of this whole movie.

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Speaker 3: It's so so beautiful. Like, Omadon looks cool when he

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Speaker 3: was just the Red Wizard. Now he is a he's

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Speaker 3: a red Wizard hydra.

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Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, it's gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: I love, love, love the look of this.

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Speaker 1: Then it's also perfect because it's so nonsensical, it's so chaotic.

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Speaker 1: It's like he is because basically this becomes a standoff

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Speaker 1: between logic and chaotic imagination. And so it makes sense

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Speaker 1: that Omadon would just defy all logic and just be

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Speaker 1: this swirling amalgam of humanoid and dragon features.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so since the only tool that you can

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Speaker 3: fight chaos with is logic, that's what Peter does. Peter

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Speaker 3: just starts basically talking his way out of this battle,

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Speaker 3: much in the same way that like, oh, let's say, Sarah,

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Speaker 3: you know, talks her way out of Jerreth in Labyrinth

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Speaker 3: or I forget the protagonist's name in Nightmare on Elm Streets,

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Speaker 3: where she's like, I'm not afraid of you.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's just like that that simple thing of just like, hey,

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Speaker 3: your power rests in this If I you know, you

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Speaker 3: have no power over me. If you just kind of

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Speaker 3: declare it, you get to you get to kind of

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Speaker 3: just like move on. So that's what he does. He

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Speaker 3: just starts like quoting scientific principles and equations and then

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Speaker 3: he just starts listening like digital like just different branches

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Speaker 3: of scientific study.

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Speaker 1: And just and it works.

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Speaker 3: It just kind of knocks knocks the wizard down one

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Speaker 3: by one. One of my favorites, there are many examples

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Speaker 3: of like him just like kind of like spouting book

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Speaker 3: learning at this wizard to kind of like make him

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Speaker 3: kind of lose power. My favorite was that Omadawn was

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Speaker 3: like calling on the power of the Sun, and Peter's

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Speaker 3: response was like every child knows that it takes this long.

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Speaker 3: I think he says eight minutes for the sun Sun's

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Speaker 3: raised to travel to the Earth, So you're not even

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Speaker 3: calling upon the sun. You're calling upon where the sun

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Speaker 3: was eight minutes ago. And Obadon's like, what, no, No,

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Speaker 3: the Sun's right there, and it's fun things like that,

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Speaker 3: and ultimately, without even like, you know, laying a single blow,

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Speaker 3: Peter beats Omadon with just logic, you know, just saying

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Speaker 3: science terms out loud.

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Speaker 1: And yet it works so well. Like, for instance, the

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Speaker 1: Labyrinth scene I think is a great comparison. I have

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Speaker 1: no power, you have no power over me, a thing

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Speaker 1: with Sarah and Jared, and yet I'd never have I

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01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 1: love Labyrinth, but there I have questions about various things

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01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,480
Speaker 1: in the plot, and that whole scene never felt completely

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Speaker 1: earned for me, Whereas in this film, I feel like

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Speaker 1: they do a great job of laying everything out, Like,

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Speaker 1: for instance, there's the whole part of it where Omadon

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Speaker 1: is just you know, calling up on forces of darkness,

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Speaker 1: saying these evil sounding magic words, some sort of incantation,

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Speaker 1: and Peter's like, yeah, I have incantations too, and He's

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01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: like bam equals MC squared and so forth, and like

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Speaker 1: these are actually like hurting Omadon, Like the logic is

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01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: cutting into him and taking away his power.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's earned and it works. It's a fun

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01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 3: little ending. So he doesn't he beats Omadan, he is destroyed,

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Speaker 3: turns into just dust on the ground. It's mostly a

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Speaker 3: visual scene, so we can't really go through it entirely.

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Speaker 3: But then Peter is sent back to modern Boston and

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Speaker 3: he's back where he left off. He's back in the

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Speaker 3: pawnbroker shop with his friend playing his D and D

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Speaker 3: game that he invented. Now, remember earlier, way in the beginning,

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Speaker 3: Peter wanted to pawn his watch so he could get

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Speaker 3: his board game created. Well, now suddenly he has the

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Speaker 3: Shield of Saturn with him, this big golden shield, and

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Speaker 3: he's like, hey, pawnbroker, how about this? And he's like, wow,

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Speaker 3: this is great. This will give you so much money

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Speaker 3: you could You'll be able to do whatever you want,

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Speaker 3: you know. And then here here's the nice part where

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Speaker 3: it all ties up melissand to the Princess, the daughter

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Speaker 3: of Carolinas. She enters the pawn shop in this modern

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Speaker 3: world because she has fallen in love with Peter, and

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Speaker 3: she brought Omadon's crown with her and she pawns that too,

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Speaker 3: and it's like, hey, no, he gets love. Also, yay

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Speaker 3: the end, that's the end of the movie.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's so good. I deny all magic. It

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Speaker 1: was another one of the rallying cries of Peter in

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Speaker 1: the final battle. Yeah, and there's as it's.

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Speaker 3: A fun thing because the balance between I love magic

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Speaker 3: and magic isn't real is really on display here. And

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Speaker 3: then that's that's why they needed Peter. He was a

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Speaker 3: guy that loved dragons and really cared about magic and

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Speaker 3: had a great knowledge for it, but also knew the

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Speaker 3: science and so therefore he could both respect the magic

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Speaker 3: as well as cut it down a peg. But I

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Speaker 3: think I like almost ultimately Carolinus like sealed his own

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Speaker 3: fate by inviting Peter into his realm because in many ways,

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Speaker 3: what he didn't want to happen happened very quickly, which

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Speaker 3: was that that science destroyed magic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they get their magic refuge where they get

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Speaker 1: to keep all their magical creatures running around, right. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know it's it's it's not an unhappy ending

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Speaker 1: for them as well.

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Speaker 3: It works out.

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Speaker 1: I do want to also point out, because I'm always

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Speaker 1: a sucker for these sorts of scenes, when Omandan is

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Speaker 1: finally defeated, he does like sort of shrink and melt

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Speaker 1: and then wither away to nothing, like turns to dust

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Speaker 1: and blows away in the wind and it's a fabulous

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Speaker 1: animated sequence.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, good stuff all around. And that's that's this movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, The Flight of Dragons. Yeah, just a just a

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Speaker 1: real delight. This one I think holds up so well.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I didn't. I had never seen it before,

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: so I didn't have anything to compare it to in

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Speaker 1: my memory that it did resonate with my love for

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: these other pictures from this time period, like the Ranking

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Speaker 1: and Pass Hobbit film.

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Speaker 3: If you're a D and D person, not only will

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01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 3: you recognize basically the structure of this, but you'll also

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Speaker 3: probably really enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, we're going to go ahead and

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Speaker 1: close this one out here, but we'd love to hear

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Speaker 1: from everyone out there, especially for those of you who,

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Speaker 1: like Seth, have definite childhood memories of the Flight of Dragons.

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Speaker 1: If you want to share how or when you saw

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Speaker 1: this for the first time and what your impressions were

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Speaker 1: right in, we'd love to hear from you. And if

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Speaker 1: you're like me, if you just saw it for the

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Speaker 1: first time as an adult or recently introduced a child

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Speaker 1: to it, right in and let us know how that went.

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Speaker 1: a science podcast, but every Friday we set aside most

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Speaker 1: films that we've watched so far, and sometimes they'll be

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Speaker 1: a peek ahead at what's coming next. Speaking of all this,

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Speaker 1: of course, Seth is not just the producer of Stuff

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Speaker 1: Tell us what's happening right now on Rusty Needles Record Club.

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