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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening

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Speaker 1: in women's basketball right now is what we've been trying to.

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Speaker 2: Get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 2: Kaitlin Clark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at

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Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Carrie Champion. Hey everybody, welcome to you

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Speaker 1: another edition of Naked Sports. Carrie Champion here today for

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Speaker 1: the month of May. Many of you may already know

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Speaker 1: it is Mental Health Awareness month. You've seen all the messages,

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Speaker 1: and you know there are so many people with huge

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Speaker 1: platforms who offer their own personal story and then they

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Speaker 1: also share resources. And about a week and a half ago,

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Speaker 1: maybe two weeks ago, a really good friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: and when I say really good, he's been my friend.

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Speaker 1: He and his wife have been my friend for the

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Speaker 1: better part of two decades. And Jason is his name.

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Speaker 1: Who you will meet. Jason asked if he could come

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Speaker 1: on the podcast and talk about mental health awareness. One yes,

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Speaker 1: no questions asked, absolutely. Two he wanted to share his story.

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Speaker 1: And again I told you, I have been friends with

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Speaker 1: them for almost twenty years since the beginning of my career.

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Speaker 1: I've grown up with him in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: And today, my really good friend, Jason Prinzo, shares a

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Speaker 1: story with me that I've never ever heard before, and

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Speaker 1: it just goes to show that you can have someone

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Speaker 1: or perhaps even a family member, and not know about

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Speaker 1: their personal struggles, which to me illustrates the very very

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Speaker 1: very very important issue of taking care of your mental

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Speaker 1: health and why this month is important for everyone. Everyone

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Speaker 1: could look good on the outside but be struggling on

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Speaker 1: the inside, and to me, that is what I saw

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Speaker 1: when my friends shared this story. So for those of

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Speaker 1: you who are going through tough times and you think

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Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't know what the stress is in

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Speaker 1: your life. I don't know what family, friend, circumstances you're

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Speaker 1: living with. But sometimes life is hard. It just is.

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Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't. I wish I could say no,

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Speaker 1: Wish I had some help, or I wish I could

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Speaker 1: talk to someone about this, And hopefully, after hearing Jason's story,

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Speaker 1: those of you who are in that space feel inspired

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Speaker 1: to do so. Take care of your mental health like

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Speaker 1: you take care of everything else, you have to take

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Speaker 1: care of your mental health. Welcome to this edition of

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports. Jason Prinzo, Dear, dear, dear friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: I say that about everybody, but this is true. So

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Speaker 1: I like to tell everybody. I remove all of the mystery.

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Speaker 1: Everything is not BTS. It's for everyone to see. We

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Speaker 1: were having a conversation this past weekend. I went to

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Speaker 1: one of my best friends in the world, your wife,

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Speaker 1: and yes, we all saw Beyonce, but prior to me

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Speaker 1: even coming to Chicago to see Beyonce. You've reached out

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Speaker 1: you for coming on here and sharing your story. Some

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Speaker 1: people look at mental health as something they can't talk about,

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Speaker 1: and you know there's a stigma associated with it. But

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Speaker 1: So if you don't mind, my friend, let me just

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Speaker 1: say thank you for doing that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's such an important conversation and not one

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Speaker 1: So you told me something that I just wasn't aware of.

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Speaker 3: Well, I started back in twenty eighteen as an ambassador

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Speaker 3: And as I was telling my story and my struggles

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Speaker 3: And it just taught me that this needs to be

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Speaker 3: And I've dealt with this since I was five years old.

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Speaker 3: I was diagnosed with depression disorder at five. I had

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Speaker 3: Well, we had a school assignment in kindergarten that we

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Speaker 3: And it's hard at nine, ten, eleven years old to

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Speaker 1: Well, so you said, from five years old to sixth grade,

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Speaker 3: And I did that exact same thing. I was that

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Speaker 1: Why do you choose to say you did yourself a disservice?

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's your fault?

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Speaker 3: I don't think that it's my fault, but I was

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Speaker 3: I was put on prozac kind of when prozac first

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Speaker 3: And I thought, if I could just live like I

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Speaker 2: I can be in a better mental place. And it

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Speaker 3: My struggles with masculinity was coming out in very strange

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Speaker 2: And the way that I always try to put it is,

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the what you're describing is what

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Speaker 2: I had no examples growing up.

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Speaker 2: And the way that I.

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Speaker 3: I struggle greatly with my insecurity and relationships. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: And if I don't hear from somebody, it's almost a

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Speaker 2: Is that all the people pleaser?

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Speaker 2: Insecurities aren't mine. Yeah, and they don't.

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Speaker 3: They're not doing anything wrong by just being a very normal,

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Speaker 1: Well, there are instances I will say this or I

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Speaker 1: What you describe. I sometimes think they're just the ups

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Speaker 3: I think men us, as men, we suffer with We

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Speaker 3: in bed. But doing that just makes every day feel

441
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Speaker 3: like it's one hundred hours long and you feel like

442
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 3: you're just never coming out of this space. And the

443
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 3: ridiculousness that we feel.

444
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: Is very very real to us. So when a friend.

445
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 3: Tells you what they're feeling and why they're feeling this way,

446
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: one of the worst things anybody can say is what

447
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: do you have to be sad.

448
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 2: About or think about the bright side?

449
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 3: One of the most irritating ones is, well, if you

450
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 3: think that's bad, this yeah, And all that is going

451
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 3: to do is make any of us stop talking. Because

452
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 3: it's hard enough to try to fight through these feelings

453
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: without having.

454
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 2: To fight with you to accept what we're feeling.

455
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Speaker 1: Right, do you think because I could imagine someone friends

456
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Speaker 1: saying that I am in therapy, I've been therapized enough

457
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Speaker 1: to know not to say that. But for those who

458
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Speaker 1: don't have therapy and they don't have the words, they

459
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Speaker 1: think they're consoling you.

460
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: Yes, is there a.

461
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Speaker 1: Space for you to say, I know you're trying to

462
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Speaker 1: console me. That's not going to help though in this moment.

463
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Speaker 1: Is there a space for you to understand why they

464
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Speaker 1: don't understand those aren't the words.

465
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Speaker 3: Yes, But it's hard in that moment, okay, right, because

466
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 3: you're already in this place where you're fighting, Right, you're

467
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 3: in fight or flight mode and you're fighting to get

468
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 3: out of this. You're fighting to get into a better headspace.

469
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Speaker 3: We want to be happy, and when somebody is saying

470
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Speaker 3: those things to you, even though we know it's going

471
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: to be helpful, there's a lot of anger that's built

472
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 3: up because we feel alone in that moment and the

473
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: people that we're leaning on don't understand well in that moment.

474
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Speaker 3: To your point, we do need to be able to

475
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Speaker 3: take a step back and say, hey, look, I know

476
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: you're trying to help. Yeah, you're making me feel more isolated.

477
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: All I need from you is to say, I'm sure

478
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: that's really hard. What can I do to help? Yeah,

479
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what that feels like. Just make us

480
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Speaker 3: feel as if you understand and can be compassionate in

481
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Speaker 3: some way.

482
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break because we have

483
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Speaker 1: to pay some bills. We'll be right back in just

484
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: a few moments. I think having this conversation with you

485
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: is so helpful because I tend to only share with

486
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: people i'm close with. But I'll share you know. I'm

487
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: struggling with my relationship with my mother, and I'll say this.

488
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: I'll say, I'm going to tell you something, but I

489
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: need you to understand. I don't want you to solve

490
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: this problem. I definitely don't want you to take her side.

491
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: I want you to hear me as a person and

492
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Speaker 1: separate yourself from this. Just hear what I'm saying.

493
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 2: Yes, and.

494
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: My friends without fail, yourself included. Never let me down.

495
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: People who don't really know me and I share too

496
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: soon that will happen. So I know it's really important

497
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: to create a safe space to share these feelings. And

498
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: when we talk about how sad we are. Some people

499
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Speaker 1: don't want to use the depression word, but studies show

500
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Speaker 1: that everybody's what's the percentage of people who experience some

501
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: sort of depression throughout their lifetime? I would ressume everyone.

502
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Speaker 3: It's I mean pretty much every it's like seventy or

503
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Speaker 3: eighty percent, will experience some sort of mental health issue

504
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: at some point in their life. I mean for athletes,

505
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: they say that thirty five percent of elite athletes struggle

506
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Speaker 3: with their mental health. And we've had more and more

507
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 3: people come out and talk about that. You know, obviously,

508
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 3: Smoke Biles, Kevin Love, Jake Laser's written a book about

509
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 3: his struggles. So it does affect pretty much everybody at

510
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: some point. Those of us that have clinically either have

511
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: anxiety depression. Those things are constant. And there's a little

512
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: bit of a misconception when it comes to anxiety. And

513
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 3: I realize now, I wasn't diagnosed with anxiety until I

514
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: was married, and I realized.

515
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Speaker 1: That saying is that my friend Angie brought on anxiety.

516
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Speaker 3: No, I'm saying that your friend Angie was the one

517
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Speaker 3: that pushed me to go to the doctor.

518
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Speaker 1: And I love it. Okay, I love it because I

519
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: was going to fight you with me five seconds.

520
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Speaker 2: So honeymoon because of my anxiety.

521
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

522
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Speaker 3: You know, work is a major stress for me, and

523
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: I have a lot of anxiety and a huge amount

524
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: of imposter syndrome, and that's something that I work on

525
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: all the time. So when we were on our honeymoon,

526
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Speaker 3: we were in Vegas and Saturday Sunday great, We're gambling,

527
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Speaker 3: We're going to dinners, We're having fun. When Monday came

528
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: and I was normally working, my brain went to work

529
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: mode and we were going to the pool. We had

530
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: a command and rent it by the pool, and my

531
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: brain was lying to me saying that if I don't

532
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: work today and the company has a bad day, it's

533
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: gonna be my fault and I'm gonna get fired. If

534
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: I don't work and they have a good day, it's

535
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: going to be proof that I'm not necessary and I'm

536
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Speaker 3: going to be fired. So I told Angie, I'm just

537
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: gonna send a couple of emails and that turned into

538
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: six hours and we were at the airport and I

539
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: was having a breakdown and she grabbed me by the

540
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Speaker 3: hands and she said, you have anxiety and I need

541
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: you to go get help. And I said, I don't.

542
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Speaker 3: I have a stressful job, and if we're going to

543
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: be married, I need you to understand the stress that

544
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: I'm under and the pressure of my job. And she

545
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 3: grabbed tighter and she said, you have anxiety. It's not

546
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 3: just affecting you, but it's affecting me. And that crushed

547
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: me because it's the person.

548
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Speaker 2: I love the most. And I realized I had ruined

549
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Speaker 2: our honeymoon.

550
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Speaker 1: So I'm not ruined the honey moan, just ask her no, no.

551
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: But you know, the anxiety is kind of what leads

552
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 3: to a lot of these feelings, right, because we when

553
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: we're struggling with anxiety, especially for me, is I can

554
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: only think of worst case scenario.

555
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot.

556
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Speaker 3: Of times I spent my childhood thinking that that was preparation,

557
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: that I was just preparing for the worst in case

558
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: that happened. But I realized now that what I was

559
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: thinking was that only the worst was going to happen,

560
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 3: that there was no other option but the worst thing.

561
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: And you spend months if you got an event coming up.

562
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: You know, if I have a big speech coming, I'm

563
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 3: stressing for an entire month about what am I going

564
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: to do when this is awful?

565
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: What am I going to do? What is CARRY going

566
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: to say to me when I'm terrible?

567
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: On her podcast today, Those things are constantly going through

568
00:27:54,200 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: my head and it's the simplest term. Is the former brainwashing.

569
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: We are self brainwashing. There's a thing called the illusion

570
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: to truth effect, and it's something that's used by manipulators,

571
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: cult leaders, politicians, and it's repeatedly hearing false information as truth.

572
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: And when you hear.

573
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 3: Things over and over and over, you wind up believing them.

574
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 3: So when we're telling ourselves that these things are going

575
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: to fail, or we're not worthy of love, or we're

576
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 3: not worthy of friendship, you can't help but believe it right,

577
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 3: like it's the only thing that we're hearing.

578
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 1: Well, when you say you're hearing that, who's telling you

579
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: that you?

580
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: Yes?

581
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: And that is a form of the mental health issue

582
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: that you've been talking about, because you constantly have a

583
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: track saying that you're not worthy enough.

584
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not good enough, I'm not attractive enough, I'm

585
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 3: not smart enough. I mean because of moving around in

586
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: school and I have some ADHD issues. I was in

587
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: learning disability classes, so I knew I wasn't dumb, but

588
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: this is, you know, the way that my life is

589
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: playing out because I was so far behind, and so

590
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: there's this constant feeling as kids of just not being

591
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: good enough. And it's a shame that something that can

592
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: happen to us for ten or fifteen of our initial

593
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: years can still play out thirty forty years later, even

594
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: though there's there's zero indication that any of that is

595
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: true over the last thirty years of my life.

596
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: But I still feel it every day.

597
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Speaker 1: Fascinating how the brain works. I think of how our

598
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: brains aren't even fully developed when we start to have

599
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: these these ideas and these thoughts in our minds. Yeah,

600
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: because you know they say your brain doesn't fully develop

601
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: until your mid to late twenties. My thought process then,

602
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: is why do we hold on to all the negatives?

603
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: The same with social media? You remember the negative comments

604
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: before you remember the positive comments. There is something about

605
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: the way we need to rewire our brain. The science

606
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: behind mine. You have shared and I know when I

607
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: went to your Instagram page, your mental health Instagram page

608
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Speaker 1: is Jason Prinzo, mhm as and Mary h as in

609
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Speaker 1: Health Right Mental Health, m as in mental age as

610
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Speaker 1: in health.

611
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Speaker 2: How about that I.

612
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Speaker 1: Heard you talk about you know some solutions we've talked about.

613
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you know can

614
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: trigger mental health issues, whether it be stress, how you

615
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: feel about yourself, how does it show itself in the body.

616
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: For you, it's been tingling, it could be your shoulders tight, stiffen.

617
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Speaker 3: I had something strains start happening to me a couple

618
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: of years ago, and I'm just curious if anybody else

619
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: is dealt with.

620
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: The same thing.

621
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Speaker 3: So out of the blue, I started getting this pins

622
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: and needles feeling in my hands and especially my fingers.

623
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: So I went to the doctor to find out if

624
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: there was any problems with my heart, and it turns

625
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: out that this pins and needles feeling.

626
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: Is a stress response.

627
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Speaker 3: Now I wasn't surprised because I tend to run pretty

628
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: high with anxiety and stress as it is. But I

629
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: think what was surprising to me was that it was

630
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: taking itself in this form because normally I get it

631
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: in my stoma. I feel at my back and shoulders,

632
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: and that's my indication that there is some sort of

633
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: stress for something going on.

634
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: That I need to take care of. So I'm just

635
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: curious what's an indication for you?

636
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: What is the signal that you need to get ahead

637
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: of some sort of stress, anxiety or mental health issue.

638
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: And just remember, no matter what you're going through, you

639
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: are not alone.

640
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: Alone. For me, I hold my breath, Yes, I mean

641
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: the same thing.

642
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: I hold my breath when I I'm just feeling intense,

643
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, wait, why am I holding my breath?

644
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: And then I and You're like, am I sick because

645
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm out of breath? Am I? Am I that far

646
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: out of shape?

647
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: Exactly? Yeah, No, I'm just holding me.

648
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 2: From walking up the steps. And it's no, it's just stress.

649
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: You're just holding game spots. Can you said a couple

650
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: of things that are mechanisms in which you can cope,

651
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: which are just some natural mechanisms. Being kind lowers your

652
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: blood pressure. Can you tell us other ways where you

653
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: can there these these are natural mechanisms before we dive

654
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: into the to the drugs of it all.

655
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: Yes, And I have a lot to say about therapy

656
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, but I think there are a lot

657
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 3: of things we can do. Socializing might be the most

658
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: important thing in order to manage our mental health. When

659
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: we're out with our friends, we're socialized and we feel

660
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: part of a group, we feel accepted, and there's bonding

661
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: moments that we have in there that just make us

662
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: feel a lot better. And you know, we don't necessarily

663
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: do this as much in big groups, but when we're

664
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: one on one, and you talked about this about sharing

665
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: with friends, shared experience is so helpful because it makes

666
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: you feel like you're not alone. And when you're able

667
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: to get some of those things out and somebody else

668
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: is telling you their experience as well, there's something soothing

669
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: about it that's helpful.

670
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: So socializing is huge.

671
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: Just getting out in nature at all has amazing effects

672
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: of being calming for our brain. When I noticed that

673
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: I'm starting to get anxiety about something coming up. There

674
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: are a few things that I like to do. Breathing

675
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: exercises are always great. I like to do box breathing, when,

676
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: if you're not familiar with it, you hold your breath

677
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: for seven seconds, you breathe in for seven, blow out

678
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: for hold for seven, and blow out for seven. I

679
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: can't do typical deep breathing because my brain will still

680
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: wander and stress, So the box breathing with the cadence

681
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: is enough of the.

682
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: Distraction to start to lower my blood.

683
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: Pressure and bring me back to a better place because

684
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: it's all I can concentrate on. Lavender oil is great

685
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: to have around. Lavender oil has very calming and sedative effects.

686
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: I keep lavender oil with me and I'll put it

687
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: on my wrist or my hands and just breathe it

688
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: in for a while.

689
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: Physical exertion is great.

690
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: There are a lot of times I work in a

691
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: shared office space, so I'll go into one of the

692
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: private rooms and do pushups for jumping jacks, and there's

693
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: a dopamine release with that that gets you into a

694
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: better place. That's always really great. Anything creative. As you know,

695
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: I started painting about seven years ago.

696
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: That has been there's a little crash there that.

697
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: Has been so extremely helpful for me, especially with my anxiety.

698
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: And that's that's why you're seeing.

699
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: A lot of more adult coloring books.

700
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: You're seeing more of like the paint and wine things,

701
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: because when you're working on something creative. When I'm painting,

702
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: I can't think about anything but what I'm working on

703
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: in that moment, and when you're done, there's a sense

704
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: of accomplishment. At the end of the day, you get

705
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 3: to see your progress. I could paint for eight hours

706
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: and not stop. I have to set alarms and remind

707
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: me to go eat, to go spend time with my

708
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: wife because I'm so calm and relaxed in that moment

709
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 3: that I don't want it to stop. Those are all

710
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: incredible things that we can do. And then there's a

711
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: couple of sneaky ones. One that I love is wearing

712
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: clothes that I feel great in. Like, I think we

713
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: all have those outfits that were, like, and I look

714
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: great in this, right.

715
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: We have confidence, we feel good.

716
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 3: If I've had a few bad days, I'll find a

717
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: thing that makes me feel the best. I don't care

718
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 3: if it's overdressed or not, and that on and go

719
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: towards you feel better.

720
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah that's so smart. I forgot about that.

721
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: I'll do that.

722
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: I'll do that when I'm feeling away. Yeah, I love that.

723
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: Okay, And I'm a huge proponent of therapy. Therapy has

724
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: been great to me. I tell people all the time

725
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: that I don't spend my time in therapy trying to

726
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: figure out why I think the way that I do.

727
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: I have an understanding of that. I spend my time

728
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 3: in therapy figuring out how do I live with the

729
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: results of this? How do I blaze new trails in

730
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: my minds that I go to better places instead of

731
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 3: the negative space. And the thing that I explain to people,

732
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: and this is especially for men, because we just have

733
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: a tough time wrapping our head around going to therapy

734
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: and talking to somebody is.

735
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: Most of us have worked out with trainers.

736
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: Most of us have played sports as a kid, head coaches,

737
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: maybe you've had a tutor. A therapist is nothing but

738
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: a trainer for your brain right like it is. It

739
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: is just there to help you become stronger. No different

740
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: than working out at the gym, No different than having

741
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: a tutor, a mentor whatever it is. We constantly eat

742
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 3: diets to fight off heart disease, diabetes. We work out

743
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: in order to have a long life, but we don't

744
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: do anything about our mental health until there's an issue.

745
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: We don't work on that ahead of time to stay

746
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: ahead of it. We wait until the car breaks down

747
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: to go and get an oil change. And that's something

748
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: that we all need to be aware of. And we

749
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: have to maintain our mental health and make plans like Look,

750
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 3: I have something I call my happy list and these

751
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 3: are all things that give me a little bit of joy.

752
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: And they could be big things like traveling, it can

753
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: be as small as going to get coffee. I love

754
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 3: walking to a coffee shop and hearing the sound of

755
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: the grind. All of that is great for me. And

756
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: I try to do one thing on my happy list

757
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 3: every day. It could be ten minutes. I might listen

758
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: to music for twenty minutes, but I have to work

759
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 3: that in every single day like it's a job, because

760
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: those are the things that keep me set mentally and

761
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 3: reset me mentally.

762
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: And if I go three, four or five.

763
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: Days without doing some of these things, then my mind

764
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: starts going to a bad place.

765
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: Sure, Sure, we're going to take a quick break because

766
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: we have to pay some bills. We'll be right back

767
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: in just a few moments. You know, it's interesting for

768
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: me when I'm in a space where I'm not happy.

769
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: If I start cleaning my house, Yes, I feel so good.

770
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: Like I start, I'm asking people come over and like

771
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: your house is so immagulate, I'm like, no, it makes

772
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: me feel better to unpack my clothes as soon as

773
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: I travel, to do some laundry, to you know, tighten

774
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: up tight hear. It's a physical. It's all this anxious

775
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: energy that wants to be released. That's what I hear

776
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: you saying. And then there's also this anxious mind that

777
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: needs to be and that's why, Yes, when people say

778
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: things like, oh, I go outside and I walk. I'm

779
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: living in New York now. I walk every week in

780
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: my favorite neighborhood because it's a neighborhood. It's not loud,

781
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: it's not busy. But when I walk and I look around,

782
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: all of this feels soft to me. Everything The lens

783
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: is so much more softer and not as harsh, and

784
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: there is bright lighting, and there is better air, all

785
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: things that I'm just fitting naturally. And these are all

786
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: really simple techniques. We live in a world now where

787
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people want to throw drugs at it,

788
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: and you have I And I'm just gonna be candid.

789
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: When I heard you did Academy and I was like, wait, what, Like,

790
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: I know Matthew the guy from the Friends died off

791
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: of and I'm like, that's dangerous. How do you How

792
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: do you balance using you know, drugs to help psychedelics

793
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: for many people to help and not become addicted when

794
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: there's something intrinsically connected with people who have been health

795
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: problems in addiction, like there's some kind of sure because

796
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: you want to medicate the pain, I could see why

797
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: it be so addictive, right.

798
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: So a couple of things I've done, all different types

799
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: of medications. Some of them have been really effective, some

800
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: of them have it. One of the problems with medications

801
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: in pill form when it comes to mental health is

802
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 3: there's a ramp up phase, right, Like, it doesn't really

803
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: start taking effect for four to six weeks that you'll

804
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: start to feel the positive effects from it, but for

805
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: those four to six weeks, it can ramp up the

806
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: negative feelings. So when you're trying to find the right medication,

807
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: it can be this cycle of up and down because

808
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: you're starting something new and it ramps up all the

809
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: anxiety and depression and you're waiting for it to fix

810
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: and it doesn't, so then you've got to try a

811
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: new one and that ramps up.

812
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: Where with a lot of the psychedelics.

813
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: The effects of it are pretty immediate. What happened with

814
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: me with ketamine was and is part of my story

815
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 3: of becoming an advocate. In twenty eighteen, I was laying

816
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: on the couch and I was in a really bad space,

817
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: and I was going to my Facebook page and I thought, boy,

818
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: this looks amazing. I got a great life, and you know,

819
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 3: people are getting to see my Sports Center highlights every

820
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: day and it looks like I'm just you know, having

821
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: a ball, but I'm struggling every day. So I made

822
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 3: a post about it, and I was shocked at how

823
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: many people responded. A lot of dms from people just

824
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 3: wanted to talk about stuff. And a friend of mine

825
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: who is antestesiologist, had just opened a clinic and he

826
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: was doing kenemine treatments and he said to me, he goes,

827
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: I didn't know that you were struggling. Why don't you

828
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: come and try ketamine? And I completely refuse. I was like, this,

829
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: this sounds silly.

830
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm scary.

831
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 2: It sounds scary. Yeah, I'm not a drug user. It's

832
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: not something I'm interested in.

833
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 3: But he kept asking and I kept doing the research,

834
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: and what I learned was that ketamine was originally used

835
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: during the Vietnam War when they were doing surgeries in

836
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: the field, and what they realized was that people were

837
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: coming out mentally feeling better than they were prior. And

838
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: the University of Michigann started doing studies on the effects

839
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: of ketymine. So essentially what happens in kenemine treatments. And

840
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: I've done it where it's an IV and you go

841
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: in and it takes about forty five minutes.

842
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: You have a small trip like you don't.

843
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: It's such a micro dose that it's not something that

844
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 3: you feel the need to become addicted to. I'm sure

845
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: there's some addictive results from people that are doing this,

846
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: but it's it's very far and few between, and the

847
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: effects can be immediate when you first do it. You

848
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 3: got to do it like six sessions in the first

849
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: two weeks, and then those effects, the positive effects can

850
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 3: last up to a month to six weeks.

851
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: So you're not constantly doing these treatments.

852
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: Oh okay, but are you are you administering? Are you

853
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: going to know there's a doctor.

854
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: I would only do it with a doctor administer.

855
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: You can only do it with the doctor.

856
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeh.

857
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: You can't run around and pop some ketamine pills. You

858
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: have to have a doctor administry. So that is the

859
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: way to at least one or two safeguards to stop

860
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: it from happening. But I'm sure it's obvious. See out

861
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: there illegally, but you're saying right you wanted to try

862
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: it under a doctor's care.

863
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: It does correct and the gentleman from friends that passed

864
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 3: away from it, he had like six times the amount

865
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: in his body that you would get from a treatment.

866
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: And when you get a treatment, it only lasts in

867
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: your body for up to like it's got a fifty

868
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: percent rate for the next two days. He hadn't had

869
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: a treatment for a week and a half. That wasn't

870
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: in a system anymore. And I realized that the headlines

871
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: make it look like kenemine treatments are killing people, and

872
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: it's that's just not the case. He was overloaded with kenemede.

873
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: He was doing it as a recreational drum.

874
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: What made you decide to use kenemine?

875
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: I felt like I was running out of options. I

876
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: changed medications so many times and it had me in

877
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: such a bad place that I was desperate. And when

878
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: I did the research, I gave it a try, and honestly,

879
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: it was really helpful. I will tell you this and

880
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: I'll get a little emotional. I became suicidal for the

881
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: first time, even though I had struggled with depression and

882
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: anxiety my whole life. I had never thought about suicide

883
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 3: until I had a friend died by suicide when I

884
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: was eighteen.

885
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: And.

886
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 3: I'm not lying when I tell you that the idea

887
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 3: of suicide crossed my mind every single day for the

888
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 3: next thirty years, and it wasn't something that I was planning.

889
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: I kept it as an option that if things got

890
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: bad enough, I always had this out. And in twenty twenty,

891
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: I started to normalize it. We had all the turmoil politically,

892
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: we had protests happening everywhere. I'm looking around and seeing

893
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: how my friends like you are being affected by some

894
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: of the things that are happening, and it's tearing at me,

895
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: and I feel like I'm arguing with family, and I

896
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: just couldn't take it anymore. And I realized that I

897
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: normalized it so much that I knew how I was

898
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 3: going to do it, I knew where I was going

899
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: to do it, and I knew I was going to

900
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: do it in a way that nobody I love would

901
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 3: find me. So I didn't want them to have that trauma.

902
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: And one of the hardest things that I ever did,

903
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: and one of the best things I ever did, was

904
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: I was aware enough to go to my wife and

905
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: say life is too hard for me and I'm having

906
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: really bad thoughts, and we didn't be in the league.

907
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: Got me some help, and that help was a ketemine treatment,

908
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: and ketymine in one treatment can help relieve those thoughts

909
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: of suicide. And it saved my life. I mean it

910
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: saved my life. And what I did from there, I

911
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: went checked into an outpatient facility. I did two weeks

912
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: of intensive group and one on one therapy and I

913
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 3: needed it. And the things that I learned there have

914
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: been life saving and life changing. A lot of the

915
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: things that I talk about as far as tools to help,

916
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: are all things that I learned over those two weeks.

917
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: And when I did it, I was very front. I

918
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: told all the people that I work with, anybody I

919
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: do business with, Hey, this is what's happening, and this

920
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: is what I'm doing, because I wanted to start letting

921
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: people know that this is okay. If I had cancer,

922
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: if I had diabetes, if I had anything else that

923
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: required me to get treatment in a facility, I wouldn't

924
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: be embarrassed about it. And I shouldn't be embarrassed about this,

925
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 3: and I.

926
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: Refuse to be.

927
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: I love your friend, that's so cool. You to share

928
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: that story. Now we're all crying.

929
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: It's okay.

930
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: I think that it's very important to be as honest

931
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: and as vulnerable as you are. This this thing called

932
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: life isn't easy. We need more than just one month

933
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: to highlight why mental health is so important. And I

934
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's popular or in vogue, but

935
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: I am always so encouraged when I see athletes to

936
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: your point, or celebrities or whomever, people with the platform.

937
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: And I've watched you talk about this and bits and pieces.

938
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I watched one of your very first corporate speeches that

939
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: you gave, and I immediately thought, oh, this is his assignment,

940
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: he is, this is what he has been called to do.

941
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: You are creative in general, but this, this is will

942
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: be your legacy and how you will change people's lives

943
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: by sharing your story. You and then also admittedly still struggling,

944
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: still trying to figure.

945
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: Out, still struggle. Look, I'm never going to beat it, right,

946
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: It's not going to go away. I have to learn

947
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: how to manage it and live with it and not

948
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: have it affect the people around me. You know, we

949
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: talk about athletes and it's come out a lot lately.

950
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: I was really shocked at how many of my athlete friends, yeah,

951
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: would come to me one on one and pull me

952
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: aside and go I didn't know. Here's what I'm feeling.

953
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: I've never told anybody, and their struggles are a lot different, right,

954
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: Like I've seen friends of mine struggle during retirement because

955
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: that transition is hard. Retirement to everyday life is really difficult.

956
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: And I don't think that a lot of us, as

957
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: fans or general public realize these guys are still in

958
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 3: their thirties and most of the times they haven't made

959
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: the decision to retire. Somebody made that for them, and

960
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: something that they've been doing their entire life since they

961
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: were seven or eight years old is suddenly being taken

962
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: away at a time when they're still young and healthy.

963
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: There's a huge identity crisis there.

964
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: And for those people that make up the majority of

965
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: professional athletes that don't make retirement money, you're looking at

966
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: being thirty four to thirty five years old and trying

967
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: to figure out what's next because you have to work

968
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: and you've never had a job, you've never made a

969
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: resume before, and everybody else is far along and developing

970
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: their careers and you're figuring out what's next.

971
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: That can be a huge blow to people mentally.

972
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: It's also to anybody in a space where you have

973
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: to find out who you are, Like I, even you

974
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: think about that, what about when someone is transitioning into

975
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: a new career such as yourself, or trying to redevelop

976
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: the career that well, such as myself, or that I

977
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: was going.

978
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: To bring that up, or even you left a big

979
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: you know, a big company, yeah, brand, Yeah, and you

980
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: did it on your own terms.

981
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: And and look, I've told you.

982
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: When you first told me you were going to do it,

983
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: I was so proud of you, and you've done amazing

984
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: since then. But I imagine there had to be a.

985
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: A It's just identity is attached to what you do.

986
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: And that happened to me when I first I was

987
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: a local news reporter, and I and then I wasn't

988
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: a local news reporter. I was just trying to figure

989
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: out when can I get my next local job? And

990
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: I didn't, but I was always I would lead with

991
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm a reporter, and so much of our work is

992
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: attached to what we do, and so I see it.

993
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: I see it in everybody's world. I see it when

994
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: a mother's children leave and she's an empty nester. Or

995
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: when a woman decided to leave her husband and she's

996
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: happy that she did it, but she has to find

997
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: a whole new life, or vice versa, when a man

998
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: leaves his family or his wife, whomever. When you legal

999
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: relationship and you've been so intricately connected to this being,

1000
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: this person, this entity, it happens none of us, none

1001
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: of us are excluded from that. So and so that's

1002
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: when for me, I think therapy is important to express

1003
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: how you feel. Not it's easy and it can happen.

1004
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: I even think of people when they are quote unquote

1005
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: at the highlight of their career and they're showing their

1006
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: sports and her clips of what they're doing, and how

1007
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: they are still very very much struggling, struggling with who

1008
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: likes me, who really wants to be my friend, who's

1009
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: using me? How do I adjust to this new world

1010
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: where I don't know who to trust? And that's why

1011
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: it's so to me very important to one keep a community.

1012
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: When you start talking about your friends and who you

1013
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: can share with, I think that's to me, that's the

1014
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: only thing that saves us in any of these circumstances.

1015
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: Totally.

1016
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: And look, there are a couple of things that I

1017
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: want to talk about that you just pointed out. You know,

1018
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: one as parents, when you talk about, you know, raising children.

1019
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 3: A mistake that I think a lot of parents make

1020
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: is they try to fix themselves to their children. And

1021
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: that's what my mother did with me, where she was

1022
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 3: trying to prepare me to not make the same mistakes

1023
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: she did because they were a problem for her, but

1024
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: they weren't a problem for me. Right, So, at seven,

1025
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: eight nine years old, my mother was trying to teach

1026
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 3: me how to be an adult. Where I knew when

1027
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: bills weren't getting paid, I knew when we might get evicted,

1028
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 3: I knew when loans didn't go through, and she was

1029
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: trying to teach me responsibility and to how to understand

1030
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: how to be an adult. But at that young age,

1031
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: all it did was cause me to have more fear

1032
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: of what was happening. I had already had fear of

1033
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 3: what my father was going to be doing physically to us.

1034
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: Now I have this fear that I have to deal

1035
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: with and I have to think about these things with

1036
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: my mother, and you know that she was just trying

1037
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: to fix herself, right, because she didn't have those tools

1038
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: when she had.

1039
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: First gotten married. She went to make sure that I

1040
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: had them.

1041
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: But you know it, she had the best intentions, it

1042
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 3: just caused a lot of anxiety. And that's that's difficult,

1043
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: right for women. You guys have so much pressure, and

1044
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: it's different than what men feel. You know, you're told

1045
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: her you can't have it all right, that if you work,

1046
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: you're just a working woman and that's all you are,

1047
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: anty all of these other things if you're having a

1048
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: bad day. And I even hate using the word emotional

1049
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: because when you attach emotional to women, it has a

1050
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 3: different meaning than when you attach it for men. And

1051
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: you know, if you're upset, we oh, it's just they're

1052
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: just being emotional, or you know, like, oh, you can't

1053
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: say anything, And as guys, we do the exact opposite.

1054
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: We don't say anything.

1055
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 3: And it's really unfair. And I've noticed a lot lately

1056
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: when I speak out about men's mental health, because that's

1057
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: the one that I can relate to the most, I

1058
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: get a lot of women coming back saying, well, what

1059
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: about this and what about this? And it goes into

1060
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 3: what I was saying about politics to you the other day.

1061
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: Mental health is in the team sport. Nope, right, Like,

1062
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: both things can be true, and nobody is saying that

1063
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 3: all men are making women feel this way and all

1064
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: women are making men feel this way.

1065
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: What we need to do is be able.

1066
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: To have a conversation and say, here are the things

1067
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: that I'm feeling. And even though I may feel as

1068
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: a man that it's my responsibility to take care of everything,

1069
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that it is.

1070
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying that's the pressure that I feel.

1071
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: Right Like, my wife and I have taken turns being breadwinners,

1072
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: and my wife has out earned me a lot of times.

1073
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: By far, it has never been an issue to me.

1074
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 3: But even in those times, I felt like it was

1075
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 3: my responsibility to make sure that all the bills were paid,

1076
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: that I had everything handled. Even though my wife is

1077
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: very supportive can handle a lot of those things. It's

1078
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: just the pressure that I feel, and I'm sure she

1079
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: feels pressure of what is a great wife. I know

1080
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 3: she felt a lot of pressure of that she wasn't

1081
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: the right kind of mother, that she wasn't the arts

1082
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: and crafts mother. She was a working nurse, so she

1083
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: felt like she was failing there. And that's really unfair.

1084
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: So there's all these societal pressures and gender pass that

1085
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 3: we have and.

1086
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: It's not a team sport. We can come together and talk.

1087
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 3: About these things and what our differences are and help

1088
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 3: each other and it's not me against you. It's not

1089
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: men against women. So when you hear certain genders talking

1090
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 3: about their struggles, it's not saying that they have it

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Speaker 3: worse or we have it worse.

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Speaker 2: We're all in this together and we're all just trying

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Speaker 2: to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: I love it. You posted something on your mental health

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Speaker 1: page that said, you know, it was about normal and

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Speaker 1: I'll end with this like normal is subjective. There is

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Speaker 1: no normal anything what you normally do, there's no And

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Speaker 1: I think the more that we have these conversations and

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Speaker 1: we're more honest about where we are in our normal

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Speaker 1: space of life, yes, then people will start to understand. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. What other resources would you

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Speaker 1: like to provide you have? Jason Prinzo MH can follow

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Speaker 1: you on Instagram? Where else can people find you? Can

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Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: My website is Jasonprinzo dot com and on there if

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Speaker 3: you're searching for help, I have a page that has

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Speaker 3: a list of different resources in order to find therapists,

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Speaker 3: in order to find it affordable therapists, in order to

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Speaker 3: find help for substance abuse, for any sort of physical abuse.

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Speaker 3: That's all on there if you go to my page,

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Speaker 3: because it's there are a lot of resources, but a

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Speaker 3: lot of us don't know where to go to get them,

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Speaker 3: and so I've got them all listed on my page.

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Speaker 3: And I would encourage anybody if you're struggling and you

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Speaker 3: go directly to my page and find any sort of

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Speaker 3: resources you need.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having the capacity to share this story

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Speaker 1: and to make sure that other people are in a

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Speaker 1: position to find solutions, healthy, safe solutions, and or least

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Speaker 1: feel safe to share.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for giving me the platform and taking the time.

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Speaker 3: And I love you, sister.

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Speaker 1: I love you too, big little sister, because I'm you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you're trying about my weight, I'm talking about that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about my therapy, my therapy. I love you dearly, uh,

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Speaker 1: and take care of yourself.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon, Okay, all right, I'll talk

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Speaker 2: to you later. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carry Champion,

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Speaker 1: produced by Jockbys Thomas sound Design, and mastered by Dwayne Crawford.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast

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