WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Get-Right Game? 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.680 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:18.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. Are you ready for 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.560 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.880 Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:32.280 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:38.559 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.680 It is Wednesay, October seventh, twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.120 number thirty nine. Welcome to an exciting edition of The Break. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:49.639 We're live from the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.720 Got my crew with me, Dave, Amber and Nick, and 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:54.920 of course we're joined by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.320 as we do every Wednesday and Thursday. Today, Bucky's gonna 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.080 break down the upcoming game Cowboys versus the Giants, and 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.800 today we're focusing in on the Giants offense versus the 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.640 Dallas defense. Bucky, how you doing today? Man? I'm great. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.360 How are you guys doing? Awesome? Awesome? I'm I'm gonna 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.920 start the verse with the question that we normally ask, 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.160 but at some point I got to ask you about 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.520 Jalen Smith because you had some comments a couple weeks 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.400 ago that I think we got to go back and 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:21.960 revisit a little bit. But before we get to that, 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.039 let's start with give me the greatest asset and the 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.960 greatest weakness of this Giants offense. Okay, we're gonna keep 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:31.800 it real about the New York Giants to New York 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.080 Giants offensively, don't have a lot of weapons. There's not 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.520 a lot of firepower. This should be a get right 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.280 game for the Dallas Cowboys. When you look at the Giants, 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.959 Daniel Jones is where it starts. He is the starting quarterback. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.080 He's three and thirteen since being the starting quarterback, twenty 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:49.080 six touchdowns, twenty nine turnovers As a starter. This year, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.360 he has the second lowest passer rating in the league. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.840 The only person who is playing worse at the position 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.240 in him would be Carson Wentz based on those numbers. 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.760 Devanta Freeman is their running back. He has forty three 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.440 yards since stepping in for sae Quon Barkley. Darius Slayton 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.359 would be considered their number one receiver. He's an explosive athlete, 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.120 a big time playmaker. Has their only receiving touchdown, and 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.000 the other weapon that they have is Evan Ingram. You 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.040 hear people talk about Golden Tate, but Golden Tate is 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.480 just a guy at this stage of his career, and 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.480 the offensive line has really really struggled. They have been 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.359 pressured at a rate that only ranks with Dallas Cowboys 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.440 in terms of the amount of pressure that they have 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.200 allowed on the quarterback in the league. And so if 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.320 the Dallas Cowboys get right in play to their potential, 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.920 this should be a game for their defense to regain 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.400 their confidence and really use it as a building block 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:44.720 to start to perform better. Well, Bucky, you just basically 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.200 answer my question right there at the end. I was 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.160 going to ask you between when you have one of 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.600 the worst offense in the league versus one of the 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.160 worst defense in the league, which side of the balls 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:01.120 should usually win. The one thing that is kind of 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:02.840 the X fact, and I will say this, I think 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.359 Jason Garrett is certainly familiar with some of the personnel 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.000 on defense, so maybe that gives him an advantage in 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.680 game planning and play calling, just kind of understanding some 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.880 of the strength and weaknesses of the personnel. That's it. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.720 This should be a game where if it comes down 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.760 to which who has the better players offensively for the 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.880 Giants and defensive for the Cowboys. That advantage should go 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.239 to the Cowboys. Now, it's about putting the Cowboys defenders 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.440 in a position where they can go and make plays 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.560 and dominate this game. And so it'll be interesting to 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.120 see how Mike Nolan approaches this because this should be 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.760 an opportunity for the Cowboys to going to run facing 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:41.400 an NFC East opponent. How does he attempt to kind 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.280 of get them going, because you would like to use 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.960 this game as a game that propels them to start 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.120 to play better and make incremental improvements as a defense. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.840 I was gonna I was trying to write a story 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.560 this week about a familiar face coming to AG and 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.920 T Stadium, But that's not really the case with Jason 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.200 Garrett because you don't ever see that their faces anymore. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.800 I mean, like, but he's gonna be here and he's 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.600 gonna be the offensive coordinator he lost Sequon Barkley. Is 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.000 it hard to evaluate what he's doing on an offense 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.640 because he took that job probably thinking he's got one 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:17.400 of the most dynamic players in the NFL. I think 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.360 with Jason Garrett, the thing that sometimes gots struggle with 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.039 when you go from being the head coach back to 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.480 the offensive coordinator. And it's been such a long time 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.359 since he's been the coordinator, his offense hasn't necessarily involved 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:36.520 to the twenty twenties and generic offense. It's very not 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.279 a lot of motion, not a lot of tricks, not 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.479 a lot of gadgets. We won't see all of the 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.760 things that the La Rams presented as problems with the 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.560 motion and doing those things. And so it is a 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.280 pretty line up and go offense. And so this is 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.320 when we talk about this being a game where the 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.800 Cowboys defense can get right. It really is that because 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.360 there's not a lot of trickery and stuff that's going on. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.520 It's kind of a lined up with ball out there, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.360 let's go play. And so for a team, a defense 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.039 that has been struggling, this is exactly what you want. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:07.440 You want to see someone who's going to play a 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:13.120 pretty vanilla Let's talk draft Bucky because it feels like 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:17.000 ancient history at this point. But the Giants had the pickup. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:18.200 You know, we all knew they were going to pick 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.400 an offensive tackle. They had the pick of all the 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.560 ones they wanted, and you know it seems like McKay 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.240 beck Then and Tristan Worth's and Jedrick Wills are all 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.240 having really great rookie seasons. What does Andrew Thomas look like? 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.880 And is it early to think that maybe the Giants 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.599 picked the wrong guy. I mean it's the earliest four 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.480 games into it. He didn't have a full compliment of 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.280 a training camp in preseason. But like everyone on the 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.880 offensive line, he has struggled. Part of the fascination that 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.559 Dave Getleman had with Thomas, he was experienced, he was long. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.119 He kind of fits what I call that Giant's molde 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:52.880 going all the way back to when George Young was 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.119 the general manager there. The Giants always like big guys. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.240 They want big, long, athletic guys to play on that 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.400 offensive line, and so he fit the prototype. We can 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.800 debate whether he was a better player than mackay Beckton 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.560 in terms of upside and potential and Tristan Worths, who 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.320 was a fantastic player on the right side of Iowa. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.520 But he's been okay, but he's had his struggles, like 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.039 that offensive line, and I think there's so many moving 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.159 parts when you have a new coordinator, a rebuilt offensive line, 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.880 a second year quarterback moving into a second system. There 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:25.440 are a lot of things in place, and I just 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.880 don't think it's come together for the New York Giants 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.880 at the time. Yeah, Bucky, I assumed, and this is 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.400 going back to previous question about Barkley. I assumed that 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.159 when he went down, their offense would take a huge hit. 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.320 But last week against the Rams, I noticed that they 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.080 had their best by far the best rushing day with 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.800 one hundred and thirty six yards on the ground. Their 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.760 previous high on the season was seventy five at Chicago. 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.320 What do they do differently last week in the running game? Particularly? 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.480 That made them, I guess better running the ball than 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.280 they've been in any of the previous games before that. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:03.200 Even with bark you know, yeah, I think he's just 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.600 a commitment and I think with sae Quon Barkley, going 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.880 back to him, he's kind of a hit or miss 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.240 type running back. It reminds me a lot, and I'm 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:11.880 not gonna put him exactly in his class, but it 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:13.600 reminded me a lot of like the debate that you 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.600 would have with Barry Sanders and Emma Smith. Barry Sanders 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:20.440 would have two negative one negative three fifty and he 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.320 would end up with a great day where Emmett was 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.080 a steady and consistent four and five and four and five, 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.400 and it would tally it up. Sae Quon Barkley is 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.360 a running back that is like that. He is a 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.360 big play running back. So when you lose him and 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.800 you bring on DeVante Freeman's just a little more of 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:40.080 the persistent three and four and five yard games. That's 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.720 kind of steadied out their offense. Maybe Jason has made 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.800 a little more commitment to it. And to be honest, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.520 against the Rams, their defense played in a way where 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.040 they were able to stay in the game. And because 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:53.400 they could stay in the game, they could be a 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.240 little more stubborn when it came to handing the ball off, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.840 from really sticking with the running game. Now, this next 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.280 question isn't necessarily about the Giants because honestly, I don't 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:07.320 have many more questions on them right now. But I 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.440 do believe that the Cowboys are going to win this game. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.400 Let's say they do win, but regardless of them winning, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.400 the defense just played a bad game once again. If 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.280 that happens, I mean, is this a point Let's say 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.800 Week five, it's it's a point where you start seeing 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.840 players maybe giving up, not giving up on the game, 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:30.040 but giving up on their coach. You know, it's interesting 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.440 being on the outside looking in. You do want to 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.839 because you've heard the questions, You've heard guys talk about 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.760 like the game and simplifying in those things. It's obviously 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.040 a difference in terms of leadership and management style between 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.000 Mike Nolan and Rob Mary Nelly and Chris Rashard, and 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.280 I think everyone is adjusting. I think the big thing 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.400 Mike McCarthy and Mike Nolan have to get on the 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.800 same page and they have to figure out what they 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.640 want to demand from each of the defenders. And Mike 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.640 McCarthy has to figure out what does he want to 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.719 demand from Mike Nolan, because the head coach's job is 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.920 to solve problems, to go to the dcord and say, hey, 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.680 it appears that we're having a lot of communication errors. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.760 Let's scale it back. Let's put them in something that 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.440 they can just go play so they can get comfortable with. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.280 And then it's really on Mike Nolan to challenge the guys. 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.880 He has to get them to play at a high level. 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.040 And I know it's tough because you're a new staff, 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.640 and depending on how you relate to your players, you 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.400 want to always protect them. But at some point they 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.280 know what it looks like because we've seen how the 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.559 defense is supposed to look in recent years in terms 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.920 of the effort and the energy. Now it's on Mike 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.160 Nolan and his assistant coaches to kind of hold them 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.040 to their standard. Well, I don't want to get into 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.240 the whole Waldo thing. Again. We spent a lot of 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.280 time last week and I even got a couple of 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.600 tweets that said, we have eleven Waldo's on this dam 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.320 this defense, but what's the ope? What's the opposite of that? 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.000 And by the way, I was somebody pointed out that 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.080 Waldo spelled backwards. Is o d law? Don't know where 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:02.840 what that means? That pointed out, however, what's the opposite 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.599 of that? When when you're in the scant ye're like, 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.160 who's who's the one guy to target? Is there a 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.440 term for the one guy that you have to target 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.640 for the other reason he's the badass of the group, 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.560 And who's that for the cowboys? So so we used 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.680 to talk about that guy is the one who wears 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:22.160 the big sombrero um, meaning that the game is on him. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.199 Whoever has that matchup, he has to wear the big 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.280 hat that week because he has the toughest matchup. Um. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.880 If you want to say, for the Giants, who who 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.520 is the guy that you're worried about in the matchup? 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.439 I don't defend. I don't think you know, like so 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.040 so like It's funny because early on in the season, 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:38.960 I think Alden Smith has to be the guy that 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.920 you would point out as he has been the best defender. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.760 And in saying that, there were some bad snaps that 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.280 he put on tape against the Cleveland Browns where he 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.559 didn't really fight hard to fight against a reach block 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.280 which allowed guys to get around the corner. He wasn't 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.559 always a guy that was running fully to the ball. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.320 But he has been the most disruptive player. He's the 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.600 one that obviously leads him in sacks. He has created 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.160 more of the disruptive plays from their front line. There's 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.240 some talented players there. I really don't know what is 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.680 going on in terms of why they're not playing to 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.040 the potential that we should see based on what is 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.600 on paper. But they're not playing well. And I'm gonna 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.079 say Dantari Poe is a guy who should be on 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:23.000 notice because his lackluster performance has really stood out. And 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:24.559 he was brought in to be a guy that really 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.000 helped him against the run, and they have struggled so 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.559 poorly against the run. And when you see him dropped 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.839 into Jaylen Smith's lap and Joe Thomas's lap and they're 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.080 knocked off the ball, that's problematic. And when a team 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.280 runs for three hundred yards on you man. We could 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.560 talk about schemes and all that. At some point, pride 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.280 has to come in. This week. We would just like 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.199 to see the Cowboys fight back up front if they 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.199 get hid in the mouth by the offense, where if 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.840 we're punchback. I think it really comes down to as 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.800 simple as that. I'm glad you said that, Bucky, because 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.400 that I mean if I'm looking, if I'm looking for 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.880 something for the Cowboys to be afraid of, I don't know. 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:02.800 You can laugh at me, but I think it's got 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:07.080 to be Daniel Jones because he's athletic, he can extend plays. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.280 The Cowboys aren't pressuring the quarterback, and their front seven 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.719 hasn't been disciplined, so you put them up against the 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.360 quarterback who can make plays with his feet and extend 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.080 plays to give himself time to throw. How troubling should 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.760 that be? You know, I know he's not Aaron Rodgers, 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:28.600 but Daniel Jones has some of that adaptability to his game. Yeah, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.640 now he does have some of that, and ming no 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.800 mistake about it. The Jats are going to view the 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.800 Cowboys as a get right game as well, because offensively, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.199 when they pop in their tape and they see that 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.560 the Browns had five hundred yards and three hundred yards 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.319 rushing the ball, their coach is gonna stand in front 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:43.680 of me and say, hey, we're gonna try and jam 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.920 it right down the Cowboys throat. And so if we 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.160 can run it and throw play action like the Browns 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.480 were able to, this can make a game very easy 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.200 for the quarterback. So a lot of what we'll see 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.960 very early in the game would be a replication of 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.800 what the Cleveland Browns did early. And they want to 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.360 see if the Cowboys have fixed the problems. If the 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.760 Cowboys having fixed the problems, they can get a steady 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.480 diet of the game plan today. Yeah, last week against 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.200 the Cleveland Browns. That game plan also works for a 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.920 young quarterback. Because the Cleveland Browns were hiding Baker Mayfield 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.080 with the way that they played, the New York guys 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.320 won't to do something similar to take some of the 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.280 pressure off of Daniel Jones, to give him easy throws 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.400 on the outside. So I would think we would see 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.599 a lot of run early to say Daniel Jones be 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.720 able to make some plays on play action. All right, 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:29.640 So I got I want to get to this question. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.120 I was going to throw out you at the beginning 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.000 about Jalen A couple of weeks ago, Nick ask you 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.000 the question of who you thought was performing best on 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.520 the Cowboys defense, and you threw out Jalen Smith's name. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.319 I had a question, and I'll set it up by saying, 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.240 after looking at this last game, I was really concerned 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.760 about Jalen Smith and how he's playing. But what I 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.000 want to get to the heart of is what may 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.080 be the reasons if you agree that he is he 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.800 at least struggled in that Cleveland game. Is it more 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.520 a function of him being slow to read to play, 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.960 him being slow to react to the play, him being 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:02.959 slow to get to the play, or do you think 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.800 it's more a function of poor defensive tackle play that's 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.000 now not being able to allow him to float to 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:12.679 the ball. Yeah, Derek, I think it's a combination of everything. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.080 I think the one thing that every defender has to 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.480 have is they got to have belief that the coordinators 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.120 putting the best plan for everybody out there, and sometimes 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.440 that belief has to believe. It has to be blind 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.960 faith that regardless of what has happened, I'm gonna trust 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:28.760 and believe that Coach Nolan's putt him in a position 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.080 where I'm gonna make plays. The other thing that has 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.800 to happen with Jalen. A lot of what linebackers are 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.440 doing are depending upon what the guys up front are doing. 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.160 So our Antoine was in Tristan Hill and Don Terry part. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.720 Are they occupying blocks and now I can run clear 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.480 and free to the ball so I can make plays? 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.400 Am I uninstructed? Or am I having to run around 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.520 this trash that's preventing me from making it. The final 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.960 point is you talked about him looking slow to the ball, 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:57.360 not necessarily running. He's not alone because counted players with 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.880 Alden Smith and Jalen, even Trevan Diggs didn't run to 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.320 the ball. I think what has changed. And you guys 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.560 know because you've been there. I will say this and 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.360 say what you want to about Rod, mary Nelly and 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.640 christih Chard are one thing I do believe When I 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.320 used to go to Oxnard and I ask players this, 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.480 Rod mary Nellie had a standard of effort when they 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.160 talked about loafs. And I heard you guys. I listened 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.240 actually to the podcast the other day and you guys 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.160 were talking about professional players. I believe they give effort. 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.400 I don't believe professional players loaf but there's a difference. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.640 And what I will ask everybody to do, you guys 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.240 and Cowboys fans included, rewatch the game and if you're 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:37.280 looking at the defense, do the defenders change speed? Do 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.600 they slow down then speed up? Are they running all 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.600 the way to the ball? And do you see eleven 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.920 hands at the ball when the guy is tackled. Because 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.360 if you don't see that, that is a change from 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.680 what the expectation was previously under Mary Nelly. And what 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.960 Mary Nelly and those guys did is they called everybody 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.320 out when they didn't do it. When I used to 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.320 talk to Jeff Heath, he said, that's the culture, that's 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.840 the standard. What happened with players. Players are the same 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:06.800 and pros, college, high school, youth ball. If you let 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.240 them get away with things, they will continue to get 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:13.240 away with it. De Lard look d Law. It was 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.200 one of my favorites. But d Law has cut corners 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.320 this year that I didn't see them cut corners in 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.560 other years. And so somebody in that room, being a 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.360 player or a coach, they have to tell the truth. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.200 And if the coaches aren't telling the truth to the players, 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.600 it's going to be hard to fix the problem. So 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.080 I think some of it happens when you're getting rolled 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.600 over like the Browns were rolling over the Cowboys. You 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.960 get discouraged, and your discouragement just like our kids, they 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.240 get discouraged so they don't give effort. So some of 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.640 that plays into it. But another part of it is 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.360 are you coaching it or are you allowing it to happen? 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.440 So I think they have to have those hard conversations 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.720 about what is the standard expectation for everyone on this 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.880 side of the ball. That's great stuff. I do remember 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.560 that them having that loath standard that they would check 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.880 like literally after every game they had. They had a 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.240 statistical category for loaves and I remember players talking about 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.920 that back when Rod marinellos here. We appreciate you joining us, Bucket. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.520 We'll be back tomorrow and we're gonna have you talk 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.600 a little bit about this Giant's defense against the Cowboys offense. 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.440 We're gonna take our first break we come back. We're 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.560 gonna talk a little bit more about this matchup Cowboys 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.920 defense versus a Giant's offense. We'll also get into a 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.600 couple of things at Mike McCarthy had to say today 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.199 on his press conference. A couple of guys coming back 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.240 to practice today. We talk about when they come back. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:26.280 This is Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio. 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