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Speaker 1: So during the radio show, we're discussing obscenities swearing in

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Speaker 1: a really entertaining article at vox dot com, which you

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Speaker 1: can find at Armstrong Ageddy dot com under the hot

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Speaker 1: links from March twenty first, Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Twenty always making things easier, Jack.

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Speaker 1: You're a word I shouldn't say in the podcast. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: So this article quotes from all sorts of books about

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Speaker 1: swearing in obscenities in language and that sort of thing,

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Speaker 1: aspects of it that are not cool, because this is

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Speaker 1: like a hip, woke young woman, But some of the

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Speaker 1: historical stuff I thought was great. Now I really wanted

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Speaker 1: to read on the air. This one section about medieval well,

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Speaker 1: medieval language and how words that we don't say now

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Speaker 3: Actually really interesting because like my kids growing up on

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Speaker 4: What a weird shift we've made, you know, thinking about

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Speaker 3: I never I don't know why I'd never thought about

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be Lausy exactly.

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Speaker 1: Let's be laosy together. I love you so anyway. So

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Speaker 1: Holy Well It's holy Shit with the Eye an Asterisk,

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Speaker 3: If he ever really had to, he would drive home whoa,

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Speaker 1: Okay, no, it stands.

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Speaker 2: The bus all right. Well, I guess that's it.