1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk on Buzzsnight and this is the Taking 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: a Walk podcast, And this is our top five of 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five countdown. A great way to end an 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: amazing year. Now coming in at number two, This one 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: first played back in September of this year. An extraordinary talent, 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: she's redefining bluegrass for a new generation. Blli Tuttle the 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: first woman to win the International Bluegrass Music Association's Guitar 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: Player of the Year Award. She's won that multiple times. 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: She joined me for an incredible conversation about her journey 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: from playing in her family's band to becoming one of 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: the most innovative acoustic guitarists in music today. She opened 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: up about the challenges and triumphs of her career, her 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: work with Golden Highway, and how she's inspiring countless young 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: musicians to pick up the guitar. This is a conversation 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: filled with authenticity, music history, insight, and the kind of 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: passion that reminds you why music matters. Coming up next, 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: here's Taking a Walk with the incomparable Molly Tuttle. Number 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: two on the Top five of twenty twenty five. Taking 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: a Walk Molly Tuttle We've been trying to get you 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: on this fangled podcast for a while, and now it's happening. 21 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. 22 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: Well, I know, thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm so 23 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: excited to be here. 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We're gonna get into a lot 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: of stuff, certainly the new work and what's been going 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: on with that. But I do want to ask you 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: first before we get into So Long, Little Miss Sunshine. 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: Since we call this podcast taking a walk, Molly, if 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: you could take a walk with somebody living or dead, 30 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: who might you take a walk with? And where would 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: you take that walk? 32 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: Oh wait, that's such a good question. 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: The first person who kind of of popped into my 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: head would be Joni Mitchell taking a walk with her. 35 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: And my favorite place to probably take a walk would 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: be maybe somewhere like in Big Sir. That's like the 37 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: prettiest place to me. I love going on hikes there. 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Not a bad spot for sure. Yeah, So congrats on 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: So Long, Little Miss Sunshine. Before I sort of dissect 40 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: it from your point of view, I thought it might 41 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: be interesting to give our listeners a glimpse into what's 42 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: on your personal musical playlist these days, because I think 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: that's often a window into the creative road people are taking. 44 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah, I think like I listened to all sorts 45 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: of stuff. 46 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: I love going back and listening to, you know, like 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: music from the seventies and eighties and nineties and kind 48 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: of like people Like some of my favorite songwriters are 49 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: like Gordon Lightfoot and. 50 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: I loved the Eagles. I feel like some of the 51 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: new songs on. 52 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: The record were inspired by them, Cheryl Crow, and then 53 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: my favorites from growing up were like Gillian Welch and 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: Hagel Sildickens and of course like traditional bluegrass music is 55 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: what I grew up listening to with my dad and 56 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 3: I still I love listening to that too, Like gol 57 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: Monroe and the Stanley Brothers are probably my favorite. As 58 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: far as like newer music coming out, I'm always kind 59 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: of listening to different albums as they come out. Like 60 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: this summer, I've been loving listening to the new Lucas 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: Nelson album and the new. 62 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: Tyler Childers album. 63 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: I kind of listened to a lot of records in 64 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: that sort of you know, country but a little more 65 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 3: throwback country or sort of I don't know, I guess 66 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: they used to call it all the Country. 67 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: But I know. 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: There's so much discussion about like what do we call 69 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: these people who aren't on like the mainstream commercial country track, 70 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, I love that type of music. 71 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: I love listening to Charlie Crockett, Sierra Farrell. 72 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, I also like some of the music I 73 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: listened to a lot leading up to making this record 74 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: was like indie rock stuff like I love the Boy 75 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: Genius album that came out a couple of years ago, 76 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: and Phoebe Bridges is one of my favorites. In high school, 77 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: I listened to a ton of Emmy I rock like 78 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: The National is one of my favorite bands, and I 79 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: love Bonie Vere. 80 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: So those are the albums that sort of I guess. 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 3: When you're like at that age, maybe fourteen to sixteen, 82 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: I feel like the music you listen to then leaves 83 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: like a really big impression on you. And I was 84 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 3: really into like indie rock stuff in high school, so 85 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: I still listen to that a lot too. 86 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: See that sheds a light on someone who's a tremendous 87 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: creator like you, who is not afraid to take different 88 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: twists and turns. So yeah, I want you to describe 89 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: your creative evolution to those insanely territorial bluegrass fans who 90 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: are so fixated. I love them to death, but they're 91 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,799 Speaker 1: so fixated on certain things. So describe your creative evolution 92 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: certainly for this project. 93 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this project was kind of it felt 94 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: like a continuation of what I had been doing prior 95 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: to making my last two bluegrass records, Crooked Try and 96 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: City of Gold. It was like I knew I wanted 97 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: to make some traditional not traditional, but like make some 98 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: real bluegrass records at some point, and then all of 99 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: a sudden, I started writing all these bluegrass songs and 100 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: I put together the band Golden Highway, and that was 101 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: like so much fun. But at the same time, I 102 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: had this other project I had been cooking up at 103 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: the same time, which became my new record, So Long 104 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 3: Little Miss Sunshine, and the music that I kind of 105 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: made like I did a cover record during the pandemic 106 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: where I recorded all my parts at home and it 107 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: was called but I'd Rather Be with You, And then 108 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: my record When You're Ready. They're both kind of in 109 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 3: the more like, you know, singer songwriter, indie folk realm, 110 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 3: I guess a little more so. 111 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: This one. 112 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 3: Felt like I was kind of returning to making a 113 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: solo record, Whereas my last two records felt like I 114 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: really wanted to make them have that kind of band 115 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 3: feel like Crooked Tree. I didn't record with my live 116 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: band Golden Highway, but I still wanted to have that 117 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: kind of like playful like energy if you're just at 118 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: a bluegrass jam. And then we made the second record, 119 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: City of Gold with the live touring band, and then 120 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: we had kind of even gelled more as a band, 121 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: so we had more of that kind of back and forth. 122 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: But this record, I kind of wanted to, you know, 123 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: step out as like a solo. 124 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: Artist a bit more. So. 125 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: One thing that I've struggled with the most is like 126 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: figuring out how does my guitar playing fit into like 127 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 3: maybe a different style, because when I'm playing bluegrass, it's 128 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: so in my wheelhouse to just like, I know, you know, 129 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: I know how to play a bluegrass guitar solo. Maybe 130 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: I work at my solos really hard to make them 131 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 3: good on the record and like work out like a 132 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: complicated solo or complicated lik here and there, but I 133 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: generally know how that goes. So it's kind of like 134 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: a fun challenge for me to write these songs that 135 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: are more in the like kind of you know, singer 136 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: songwriter realm, and then still figure out how do I 137 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: take like a virtuosic guitar solo mid song because that's 138 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: not like something that you hear a lot on this 139 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: type of music. So that was something I felt like 140 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: I did, like better than ever before on my new record. 141 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: And it was really fun working with Jay Joyce because 142 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: he's a great guitar player and he had all these 143 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: ideas for me on how to like kind of weave 144 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: my guitar playing into these songs and into this production 145 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: style that is a little more like rock, country, pop, 146 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. 147 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we came up with a sound. 148 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: That I have a hard time really like saying what 149 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: genre it is, but yeah, it was. 150 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: It was a fun experience. 151 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: But I think that's cool that it's not, you know, 152 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: this particular genre you know definition. I love that about it. 153 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: I love that about this work that you've done. Can 154 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: you talk about the themes stories that you explored on 155 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: this new album and how you sort of got to 156 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: those stories. 157 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely an album about kind of becoming yourself, 158 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: being like unafraid to be yourself, and some of the 159 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: songs are like sort of have a coming of age 160 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: theme to them, Like the last song on the album 161 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: Story of My Soul called Life, I was just kind 162 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: of going through these little moments that I remember throughout 163 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: my life that were moments when I learned something, or 164 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: I grew as a person, or like became who I 165 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: am now. 166 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: In like golden state of mind. 167 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: That song is all about kind of, you know, accepting 168 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: where you're at and and still seeing like the positive 169 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: side of life. So I think there's definitely that's one 170 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 3: of the themes. Definitely, travel and like road trips and 171 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: explore exploration of both yourself and the world around you 172 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: is a theme as well that shows up on a 173 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: couple of songs. 174 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: But I think like one song. 175 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: That I felt like sort of encapsulated it for me 176 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: was when we wrote Old Me New Wig. It's all 177 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: about just kind of stepping into yourself and saying goodbye 178 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: to like your insecurities or something you need to let 179 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: go of that you've been maybe holding on too for 180 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 3: too long. So this album is just kind of about 181 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: being unafraid to be yourself. 182 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: How much in your life did these jam sessions these 183 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: family jam sessions that I think there's so many people 184 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: wish they were a fly on the wall for that's 185 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: your family jam sessions. How much did those impact you 186 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: then and when you think about your world now impact you. 187 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, they had a big impact on me, even 188 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: just stuff that I take for granted, like playing with 189 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: my brothers and my dad growing up. It's like you 190 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: just learn how to play with other people. Listen, listen 191 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: to other people, Listen to the bass and make sure 192 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: you're playing at the same tempo as them, and you know, 193 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: trade around the solos, and you learn to just kind 194 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: of listen and react to what's happening. 195 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: Maybe someone is playing their solo. 196 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: And accidentally skipped to a different part of the song, 197 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: and you learn to just kind of like go with 198 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: them and you know, try to do what's best for 199 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 3: the song. 200 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: And also we started playing shows when. 201 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: I was like eleven or twelve years old, and just 202 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: even basic things like you need to make a set list, 203 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: you need to rehearse the whole set before you play 204 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: it on stage. 205 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: Stuff like that. 206 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: That kind of like I feel lucky that I learned 207 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 3: it as a little kid. I didn't have to, you know, 208 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: learn it by trial and error later on when I 209 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: was playing with my own band. But yeah, I think 210 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: anyone who's like trying to get better at music, I 211 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 3: just say, like, go find anyone else to play with, 212 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: because playing with other people is such a good way 213 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: to kind of improve. Even if you're like playing with 214 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: people who maybe aren't as advanced as you, you're still 215 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: learning something. You're learning how to play, you know, maybe 216 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: slower than you normally would. You're learning how to listen 217 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: and be supportive to someone who might not be at 218 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: your level. But also I think finding people who are 219 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: more advanced than you is is really helpful too. And 220 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 3: that happened to me when I was a kid and 221 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: I would play with my dad's other students who were 222 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: maybe a couple of years older than me, and they 223 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: were more advanced, and that made me want to work 224 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 3: really hard and practice more so that I could improvise 225 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: like they could and take solos like they could. So yeah, 226 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: and I remember too as a kid, I ended up 227 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: going to Nashville and doing kids on Bluegrass thing where 228 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: I met people like Sierra Hall, who is like now 229 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: one of my close friends here in Nashville. 230 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: But seeing her play when she was maybe the twelve 231 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 2: or so and being like. 232 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 3: Wait, I have never heard a kid who's around my 233 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: same age just absolutely shredding like that. That kind of 234 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: was the moment where I was either gonna quit playing 235 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: all together or like double down and be like, you know, 236 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 3: maybe I'll never play exactly like her, but like it 237 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 3: inspired me to want to work hard so that I 238 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: could play with her someday. 239 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: I think it's so amazing what's going on, this revolution 240 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: with you and Sierra and of course Billy and so 241 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: many others that is is bringing this music and this 242 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: intersection of genres to a wider audience. Could you have 243 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: ever imagined when you started out that this revolution would 244 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: be taking place that I think we're in the middle of, 245 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: which I think is just so tremendous. 246 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so exciting. Yeah, I mean, I guess when 247 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 2: I was a kid. 248 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: We had like, oh, brother Artau came out, and that 249 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: felt like its own kind of revolution. Where my dad 250 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: is a bluegrass teacher. He teaches all the bluegrass instruments 251 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: and does private lessons so you can even go. I'm 252 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 3: always giving him shout outs even though he's trying to 253 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: slow down on the teaching. These days, you can go 254 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 3: to his website and even sign up for like an 255 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: online lesson with him Jack Tuttle. But I remember when 256 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: that movie came out, suddenly my dad was busier than 257 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: ever with students. 258 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: Everyone wanted to learn bluegrass. 259 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like a similar thing happening now 260 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: where the music has sort of popped into more of 261 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: the mainstream awareness. 262 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: And I think it's. 263 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: Great because it's such a good way for people to connect, 264 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 3: like in real life. And you know, I went to 265 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: like Billy's Billy Strings show here in Nashville at Bridge 266 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 3: Stone Arena and hearing like this music, like he's playing 267 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: like a Bill Monroe song to like ten thousand people, 268 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: And I just wish that like my grandfather, who played 269 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: the banjo and kind of started that love of bluegrass 270 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: in my family, could have been there, because you wouldn't 271 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: have believed that he would have been absolutely dumbfounded advice 272 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: seeing that. But it's it's just cool to see the 273 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: community and people just all getting together to share this 274 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: love of music. And so many of the fans play 275 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: bluegrass themselves, so that's another way for people to connect. 276 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: I think we need that more than ever. 277 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: In our current world when we're also online and glued 278 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 3: to our phones, and you know, people are writing comments 279 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: online and getting into fights, and then they meet up 280 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: in real life and. 281 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: Maybe they would actually get along. 282 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, everyone should pick up a banjo and go 283 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 3: to their local bluegrass jam. 284 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more of the tape Can 285 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: a Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 286 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: So was there any unexpected challenges with this new project 287 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: or breakthroughs while creating new material, any particular with certain 288 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,479 Speaker 1: songs that were in these aha moments? 289 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I think certain songs just really I can't 290 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: think of any like massive challenges. But we definitely went 291 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 3: back and forth a lot about like who is gonna 292 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: play on the record, Like what is the instrumentation? How 293 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: far removed are we gonna take it from the work 294 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: I'd done before. We brought in my partner, Catch Secor 295 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: to play a bunch of fiddle and banjo and mandlin 296 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: because we still wanted to have those stringed instruments on 297 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: the album. And then certain songs like I Remember the 298 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: Highway Knows That one took a long time for me 299 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: to write and I was just gonna write it from 300 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: this simple fingerpick to guitar part that I thought of 301 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: that I thought was cool, but it took forever for 302 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: me to figure out, like how do I put words 303 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: to this? 304 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: And then when we got into the studio. 305 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 3: That was one where like it was like a nice 306 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: song and kind of like just chugged along, but then 307 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: Jay was he came up with this whole other part 308 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: that you hear midway through where suddenly I'm switching to 309 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: flat picking and I'm taking this big solo on it. 310 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: So there were songs like that that just took, you know, 311 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: a couple months to kind of slowly develop and make 312 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: it into their final form that ended up on the album. 313 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: Another one was like everything Burns. I think we just 314 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: I was so on the fence about like the song itself. 315 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, do we record it? Do we not record it? 316 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: And then when Jay came in one day, he was like, 317 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: I was up til four am, and I made this 318 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: whole instrumental section midway through, and I have ideas we totally. 319 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: Rewrote the chorus and this and that. 320 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 3: So songs like that they really transformed and became pretty 321 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: different both lyrically and like just arrangement wise than they 322 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: were before. So it was really fun to spend a 323 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: couple of months last fall just every day going into 324 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: the studio and kind of developing these songs slowly. 325 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: Your guitar playing it's it's renowned for its precision, it's 326 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: tremendous emotion. How do you balance the technical skill with 327 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: this heartfelt expression. 328 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's something that like, I find to 329 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: be a challenge because I don't want to like shoehorn fast. 330 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: Guitar likes into every single song. 331 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like such a big 332 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: part of what I do is I'm a guitar player, 333 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: and I want to be able to express myself on 334 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: the instrument as well as like through my lyrics and 335 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: my singing. So yeah, I think this was a record 336 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: where I felt like that was what we spent the 337 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: most time on. Was we had the songs, but then 338 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: we would spend so much time on the game titar 339 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: parts because we knew we wanted them to be Even 340 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: if I'm not taking like face melting solo with a 341 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 3: million notes in each song, we at least wanted them 342 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 3: to be interesting and kind of. 343 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: Catch your ear in a way. 344 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think ultimately I always want to like 345 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 3: serve the song first and like play what is going 346 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: to make the song sound good and kind of fit 347 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: the emotion of the song. But I do try to, 348 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: you know, come up with parts that are a little 349 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: more kind of sophisticated than just you know, when I'm 350 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 3: writing a song, usually I'm just kind of strumming chords 351 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: and not really playing much on the guitar, and then 352 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: that's kind of the last part that comes like, Okay, 353 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 3: well what do I what am I going to. 354 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: Play on the guitar? 355 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: So I'm not just kind of strumming strumming along, But 356 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: if you listen to like any of my first demos, 357 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 3: it's just I'm not even like holding a pick. Sometimes 358 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: I'm just kind of like the guitar is such an 359 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 3: afterthought when I first write the songs. Except on the 360 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 3: ones where I'm coming up with the guitar part first, 361 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 3: There's like a few where I'll come up with the 362 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: guitar part I really like and then write the song, 363 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: But usually it's kind of the other way around. 364 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you maintain creativity and motivation when you 365 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: face the pressures of touring and of an industry that 366 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: is so incredibly you know competitive. 367 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's definitely like a it's a lot to 368 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 3: be touring so much and then you want to be 369 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: recording your best work when you're home, but it's hard 370 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 3: to like stay constant with the writing songs and going 371 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 3: into the studio and so rarely you have a very 372 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 3: long chunk of time at home, at least for me, 373 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: and I play like at least one hundred dates most years, 374 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: but that's not even including all the days that you're 375 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: traveling in between shows. 376 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, it can be really tough. But for me, 377 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: like I. 378 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: Generally try to remember that, like I'm the only real 379 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 3: reason I'm doing this is to try to make people happy, 380 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 3: you know, bring like joy to people's lives. Like I 381 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 3: go out there and I love seeing the audience having 382 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: a good time. And I also try to kind of 383 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: with my music. I try to have a message too 384 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: of like for me, it's like really important to kind 385 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 3: of bring this message of like it's okay to be 386 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: who you are, be yourself because that's like a journey 387 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: that I've been on personally, and I write a lot 388 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: about it in my songs. So that's basically what keeps 389 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: me going, is like even if I'm tired, I'm at 390 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 3: least trying to do my best to brighten someone's day, 391 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 3: spread a little love throughout the world. And even if 392 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: I'm really tired, even if I'm I have a cold 393 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: or this or that, like, I'm just gonna get on 394 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 3: stage and do my best. 395 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: And yeah it doesn't. 396 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: It's like I don't think a lot of people essentially, 397 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 3: when you're starting out in like the roots music or 398 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 3: the blue grass or any world that's not like, you know, 399 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: main a mainstream genre. Most of us aren't getting into 400 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 3: this because we want to be famous or we want 401 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 3: to make the most money or sell the most records. 402 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: Like we genuinely love music. 403 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 3: And I would be playing music no matter what, even 404 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 3: if like I was teaching music or just working at 405 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 3: a venue or playing in other people's bands this or that. 406 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 3: I just kind of you know, I love playing music 407 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: and that's I'm gonna do that as long as I can. 408 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: So. And you love finding interesting covers throughout your career. 409 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: You really you blow people away with your execution as 410 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: some of these covers. Over time, there's a cover I 411 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: want you to talk about on the new album. 412 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's like I can't even escape it now 413 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 3: like I didn't after I made a cover record during 414 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 3: the pandemic, I think I can't. I think maybe recorded 415 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: ten tracks on that, so ten covers. I was like, 416 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 3: I'm done with covers. I'm not going to record any 417 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 3: more covers. And then on this record, one day, Jay 418 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: Joyce was like, I really want to cover that song. 419 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 3: I love it and I just heard it like on 420 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: I forget where i'd heard it, but it had really 421 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 3: hot my ear, and I was like, oh, I remember 422 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 3: that song. I loved that song, So it felt kind 423 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: of fortuitous that he then like the next day I'd 424 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: mentioned he wanted to do like a slow down, kind 425 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: of trippy version of it, so I. 426 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, let's do it, like, I'll learn it tonight. 427 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 3: So I learned it that night and we came in 428 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: and recorded just in a couple hours, just me and 429 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: him and the catch played some banjo. A couple of 430 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: weeks later, we actually tracked the record for real, and 431 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: then when he sent me the whole thing, he had 432 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: put that one in the middle and I listened down. 433 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: I was like, hey, I actually like it works like 434 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 3: I'm down, Let's let's put it on the album and 435 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 3: It's been such a fun little surprise for people like 436 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: who both listen to the record and then when we 437 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 3: do it. We've been doing it live and I just 438 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: like watching people's faces because they don't know what song 439 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: it is at first, and then they're like wait what 440 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: and they try to sing along, but it's like pretty 441 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 3: different than the original version. So that's Charlie's Icona Pop 442 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: and Charlie x X. 443 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: But I love it. 444 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, well, yeah, I love how you're expression of 445 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: kind of wonderment comes out when you're thinking about people going, 446 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: I know that song. Wait a minute, she's twisting it 447 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: up a little bit differently. Yeah, you're finding her way, 448 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: which is so so cool. Yeah, for someone who's been 449 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: such a risk taker and continues to be, I want 450 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: I want to close with this question. I know for you, 451 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: there's got to be some influential people who have been 452 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: risk takers who clearly influenced you and your risk taking. 453 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: Who are some of those people? 454 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: Ooh yeah, I mean I like so many of my 455 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: heroes kind of play all different genres and styles, like 456 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 3: people like Bailaflex you're in Nashville've gotten to play with him, 457 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 3: and he like I think I heard that he's one 458 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: Grammy's in the most different categories of anyone else, and 459 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 3: so someone like that, especially as I'm releasing this new record, 460 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 3: that is sort of a different stylistic jump for me. Like, 461 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 3: I really admire people like that who just kind of 462 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 3: follow their heart and experiment with different sounds whenever they want. 463 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: I did watch the Bob Dylan movie this spring, and 464 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 3: he is definitely like a risk taker as well that 465 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 3: I admire. I've been a big Bob Dylan fan as 466 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 3: long as I've been. He was kind of the first 467 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: person who I listened to his music and I was like, 468 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: maybe I could write a song. 469 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: And he kind of inspired me to start songwriting. 470 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: I know. I mentioned Joni Mitchell earlier, and she's one 471 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 3: of my favorites as well, another person who like wasn't 472 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 3: afraid to mix up her sound and take risks. But yeah, 473 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 3: there's too many to count. I'm trying to think another 474 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 3: hero of mine, and like she doesn't really mix up 475 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: her sound as much as others as Gillian Welch here 476 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 3: in Nashville. I feel like she's kind of carved her 477 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: own thing that's so different from what anyone else is 478 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: doing and that's kind of brave in its own way, 479 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 3: is just sticking truly to who you are and crafting 480 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 3: your own So that's uniquely you. I got to see 481 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 3: her play at the Rhyman earlier this spring, and it 482 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: was like one of the best shows I've ever seen. 483 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: It was so cool. 484 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, there's one more person I want 485 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: to ask you about who I know must have had 486 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: some influence or does have an influence. It's Jerry Douglas. 487 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 3: Yes, I love Jerry. He produced both Cricketry and City 488 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 3: of Gold with me. We co produced them together. It 489 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: was so much fun working with such a musical hero 490 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 3: like that. And he's just like been such a great 491 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 3: mentor to me as well, Like if I ever have 492 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: career questions or unsure about this or that. Like he's 493 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: done so many different things. He's led his own band, 494 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 3: he's been a band member of like Alison Krausen Union Station, 495 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: He's produced albums, He's played on so many different albums. 496 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 3: So he's kind of, you know, worn all these different 497 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 3: hats in the music industry. And so that's someone I 498 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 3: really look up to as well. And he always has 499 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: the best advice and it's just always such a joy 500 00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 3: to get to play with. 501 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: Here to say, he's a bit of a savant, don't 502 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: you think. 503 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he just knows exactly what to play at 504 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: all the right times to make the song sound that 505 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 3: much better. 506 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: I dare say, Molly Tuttle, I consider you a savant 507 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: as well. Thank you, thank you for being on. Congrats 508 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: on so long, little miss Sunshine, and I'm so grateful 509 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: that you took the time to be on Taking a Walk. 510 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: Thank you God, thanks for having me. I'll see you 511 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 2: next time. 512 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 513 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 4: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 514 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 4: and follow us so you never miss an episode. Taking 515 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 4: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 516 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 4: and wherever you get your podcasts.