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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zeren Hey, get over here, Claude.

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Speaker 3: You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I do. Do you know Rube? You don't know, he

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Speaker 4: knows you. He's back in town. Rubell is an old

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Speaker 4: baseball player. Was Hall of Fame pitcher Rube r U

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Speaker 4: b e like he's a Rube. Rube, I don't nunciate.

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Speaker 2: I'll take that.

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Speaker 4: So Rube Waddell. He was a really interesting left handed pitcher. Okay,

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Speaker 4: like he was so interesting.

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Speaker 2: Well, for instance, if a fire truck would go off

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Speaker 2: back past the field sometimes while he was pitching, he'd

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Speaker 2: just run after it in the game, like he'd be

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Speaker 2: pitching and he would run away.

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Speaker 3: He would run.

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Speaker 2: He be gone, run after a fire numerous times. He

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Speaker 2: did this.

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Speaker 4: When he was a three year old boy, he walked

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Speaker 4: to a fire station. He stayed there for three days.

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Speaker 4: His parents were like, he just loves fire and jins.

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Speaker 4: And again the early teens, like nineteen hundred nineteen, he's

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Speaker 4: like a current. No, no, no, no, he was big.

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Speaker 2: Fans knew this about him, so they would hold up

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Speaker 2: puppies in the stands and he would come over and

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Speaker 2: want to pet them. He couldn't be able to pay attention.

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Speaker 2: He was simple. No, he was amazing. He was just

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Speaker 2: a he didn't care about your rules, right. Like, for instance,

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Speaker 2: they had a problem with him because in the off

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Speaker 2: season they couldn't find him. He would just be gone

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Speaker 2: for months and then so one time one of his

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Speaker 2: coaches they like tracked him down and they found that

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Speaker 2: he was wrestling alligators in a circus. He didn't live

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Speaker 2: by your rules, apparently not. Rube Wadell was his own man.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you, so there you go, look up Rube

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Speaker 4: Waddell sometimes just have a good time.

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Speaker 2: Either or are you b E W A D D

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Speaker 2: E L L Rube? Are you e?

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Speaker 5: And not?

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Speaker 2: Are you E? Wade? However, you used to be a.

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Speaker 3: Guy on TV and radio here dot Dean Adel.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And my brother and my grandmother were like used to

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Speaker 3: think like Deanie del bell.

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Speaker 2: Rue Badel.

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Speaker 3: That is ridiculous. Do you want to know what else

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Speaker 3: is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I'm her for it.

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Speaker 3: Flim Flam in the name of the Lord. Oh yes,

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Speaker 3: this is ridiculous. Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 3: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder. Free and

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You damn right, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing like that good old time religion?

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Speaker 2: Dude? Are we doing conning with God?

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, it's one hundred percent conning

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Speaker 3: with God.

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Speaker 2: We didn't tell each other.

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Speaker 3: We did topics, the spirit move, so the good old

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Speaker 3: time religion and preach and there's nothing like it. By nothing,

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Speaker 3: I mean that a lot of people pretend to be

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Speaker 3: pious and religious and God fearing and such, but they

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Speaker 3: are anything but Charlatan's Charlatan's criming in the name of

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Speaker 3: God as a long history.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it does, almost back to the days of the book.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the that's the thing with faith. You have

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Speaker 3: to let go of concrete evidence and follow your heart. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And the more desperate we feel, the more we generally

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Speaker 3: turn to faith for answers. Yes, the answers of the

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Speaker 3: world in front of us are lousy. So let's get

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Speaker 3: we want something divine.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what do they say?

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Speaker 3: There are no atheists and a foxa to So for

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Speaker 3: those born into a religion, it's ingrained in us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I can't get it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's ingreined to be a source of

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Speaker 3: solace and inspiration. And it doesn't matter what the organized

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Speaker 3: religion is. You know that it's something you don't shake. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: even if you stray away in there. Belief and faith, though,

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Speaker 2: Good point, I do too, Yeah, so thank you.

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Speaker 4: Also intellectually, when faith goes into gullibility, I also feel

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're not sure. Con artists who work in

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Speaker 3: phony ministry. Again, it doesn't matter the denomination or the faith.

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Speaker 2: Or what have you.

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Speaker 3: They're doing something so foul and predatory and low speaking

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Speaker 3: of it is so I have a terrible televangelist slash

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Speaker 3: Oh good goes by the name of Peter pop Off.

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Speaker 2: Oh sounds familiar of Peter pop He has a good vodka,

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Speaker 2: right pop Off exactly?

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Speaker 3: That sounds like it's a nickname, Peter pop Off. He

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Speaker 3: bantam rooster of a person like, Oh, Peter pop Off.

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Speaker 2: Over here he's yelling at the starboard Popoff.

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Speaker 4: Theresa Again, that sounds like a name that stan Lee

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Speaker 4: would give to one of his always.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, no, No, this is a real guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, real guy.

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Speaker 3: He was born in nineteen forty six in West Berlin,

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Speaker 3: occupied Berlin.

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Speaker 2: I was almost born in West Berlin in nineteen forty six.

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Speaker 2: Decided to wait a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, that's so weird. His family they immigrated

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Speaker 3: to the States when he was a kid. Big relief

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Speaker 3: for them, I can imagine.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: This is how he tells his tale on his website

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Speaker 3: Peter Popoff dot org. Peter's grandfather and father grew up

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Speaker 3: in a culture behind the Iron Curtain, where preaching the

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Speaker 3: Gospel was forbidden and both were tortured because of their faith.

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Speaker 3: Communists and was in full fledge churches were hidden underground.

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Speaker 3: Pastor Peter escaped Berlin, Germany when he was just a

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Speaker 3: young boy. He remembers traveling with his family by boat

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Speaker 3: to America and seeing the Statue of Liberty for the

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Speaker 3: first time. In his young twenties, Peter met his wife, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: They traveled together, preaching and teaching in churches and conferences

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Speaker 3: across America. His sermons were filled with stories of the

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Speaker 3: underground churches and how he was reaching them with huge helium.

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Speaker 2: Balloons filled with Bibles.

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Speaker 3: That would land in communist territory. In the latter part

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Speaker 3: of the nineteen seventies, Reverend pop Off received the vision

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Speaker 3: of reaching multitudes via radio. His broadcasts were heard on

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Speaker 3: over one hundred stations across America and other parts of.

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Speaker 2: The world like Mexico and Canada. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Basically, so, yeah, we'll get to that. Peter. He followed

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Speaker 3: his father, who was an ethnic Bulgarian, as he plied

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Speaker 3: so they they escaped the Iron Curtain. They're in West Berlin.

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Speaker 2: Then they make it, Yeah, make it to America and

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Speaker 2: then they start hawking religion intent revivals and imagine in

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Speaker 3: They called Peter the miracle Boy evangelist.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and they're ads.

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Speaker 3: That said that he could like see the future or

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Speaker 2: So he's not like James Baldwin where he's just a

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Speaker 3: So he was homeschooled and so that he would be

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Speaker 2: The boards and got the touch. But he did.

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Speaker 3: He went to community college. He went to Chafey College,

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Speaker 3: and then he got a bachelor's from UC Santa Barbara Path, California.

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Speaker 2: Boy that recommended right totally.

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Speaker 3: To go from like West Berlin immediately following the war

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess saving money on your education with

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Speaker 3: Exactly wise choice. So as I said in nineteen seventy one,

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Speaker 3: worst decision of your life depends on the Elizabeth. So

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Speaker 3: let's go back. Let's talk about those Bibles with the

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Speaker 3: helium below, please, shall we? So Peter wanted to spread

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Speaker 3: the gospel to all of those behind the iron curtain.

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Speaker 3: May I read you a quote from an amazing GQ

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Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna have to pay you. No,

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Speaker 2: I can do it for free. Please.

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Speaker 3: Quote a photograph in his nineteen eighty memoir Behind Curtains

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Speaker 3: of Darkness, A New Fire is Blazing? Which hello?

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Speaker 2: Memoir title why crazy?

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Speaker 3: Title shows pop Off in front of a boat, hair

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Speaker 3: flowing like a Begee's two Bibles fanned in his left hand.

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Speaker 3: The caption reads, Peter prepares to drop bibles into the

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Speaker 3: Black Sea off istanbul Turkey wrapped in styrofoam for buoyancy

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Speaker 3: and waterproofing. The bibles eventually washed up on communist shores.

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Speaker 3: The book makes the play that Peter was quote smuggling

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Speaker 3: him preach. Border guards who could have had him arrested

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Speaker 3: let him pass because they were quote hungry to know

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Speaker 2: Mean powerful motivational See it with him and the boat

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Speaker 3: Then so he starts He's throwing him into the ocean,

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Speaker 2: Sea unsinkable bibles.

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Speaker 3: Right then he starts strapping bags of bibles to helium.

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Speaker 2: Bullet dropping those like frozen turkey.

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Speaker 3: Big big shout out to lawn chair Larry Rip and

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Speaker 3: balloon boy keep on rocket.

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Speaker 2: Hell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said he was setting the bibles aloft over

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Speaker 3: the Soviet border. But here's the thing. People were donating

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Speaker 3: and this wasn't out of his own coffers. It was

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Speaker 3: very gofund me I imagining and some of the folks

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Speaker 3: to the evil Empire. They wanted proof that this was happening.

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Speaker 2: Give me photos. Yeah, photos didn't.

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Speaker 3: Happen, shoudn't happen. And what do you know, at that

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Speaker 3: exact same time, there was a burglary at Peter pop

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Speaker 2: Somebody the stolen all of my papers.

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Speaker 3: Like, look, I have no time to answer questions. I

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Speaker 3: need cash, stat so okay. So then he's like, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to put my focus on the good

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Speaker 3: old us of A and like friend of the Show

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Speaker 3: Maria Duval, he went the postal route.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, generally a bad bet because those are federal crimes. Yes,

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Speaker 3: every incident, according to a nineteen eighty seven article in

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Speaker 3: Science and the Paranormal, Oh which we need a subscription

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Speaker 3: totally yesterday machine yeah. Quote. Evangelist slash healer Peter pop

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Speaker 3: Off has headquarters in Upland, California.

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Speaker 2: Oh no.

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Speaker 3: Once he sends out slick fundraising little literature that is

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Speaker 3: generated and printed by a computer to appear as if

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Speaker 3: it were personally typed and signed. Those on Popoff's mailing

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Speaker 3: list have received Russian currency, handkerchiefs and red felt hearts

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Speaker 3: to be carried or worn, then each to be sent

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Speaker 3: back with a check attached. Special envelopes and endless appeals

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Speaker 3: for the emergency needs of his ministry arrive every week.

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Speaker 3: Each is personalized by the computer, which drops the recipient's

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Speaker 3: turn into what appears to be a handwritten request for

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Speaker 3: money from Reverend Popoff himself. This quote handwriting is printed

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Speaker 3: So like that's like Maria Duval. Unlike Maria Duval and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one different TV station, forty radio stations. His monthly

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Speaker 3: That's the thing is like he lost it. He has

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Speaker 2: And somehow this is to because that's the devil. The

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Speaker 3: Like what is this the devil just like super nerd?

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Speaker 3: So like he gets all these people throwing their meds

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Speaker 3: Like up jumps A to a. How do you know

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Speaker 3: They'd be like, your grandmother, Helen said, she's ashamed of

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Speaker 2: Like that's what happened, like freaking out, it's too real.

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Speaker 2: There's this guy James Randy.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the amazing, amazing, famous magician and a psychic investigator.

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Speaker 3: So he and his magician buddy Steve Shaw. They heard

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is going to get so good.

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Speaker 3: he did this over and over dozens of folks Like

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Speaker 3: my new favorite publication quote. Shaw told Randy he's got

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Speaker 3: something else going for him, and I think I know

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Speaker 3: what I have to do. Randy agreed and sent Steve

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Speaker 3: to get a closer look at pop Off. Steve noticed

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Speaker 2: Oh curious.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, you know what healer heal thyself And

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Speaker 2: His own.

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Speaker 3: Would you not?

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Speaker 2: Saren?

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Speaker 3: That was not a hearing aid. What's let's take a

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Speaker 2: I'm going to dig this pen cap out of my ear.

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Speaker 3: And I'm also I'm going to pray over you, so

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Speaker 3: don't sit still. When we return, we'll catch up with

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Speaker 3: Peter pop Off in his new nemeses.

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Speaker 7: Hell Yeah, Zaren, don't scare me like that, Saren Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Heal heal child.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: When we last met.

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Speaker 2: I can't hear you. I put a gap in both

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Speaker 3: Peter pop Off was on stage calling out miracles with

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Speaker 2: Story, James Randy, I'm man.

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Speaker 3: He knew something wasn't right, and he knew that in

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Speaker 3: order to level a charge at this guy, he had

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Speaker 3: to have complete proof, not just faith.

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Speaker 2: That's why is the skeptics hero. I'm a big fan

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Speaker 3: I like to call it my lizard brain when I

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Speaker 3: When your mind and body tell you something isn't right,

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Speaker 2: That, like the old hairs are the neck kind of feeling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're accuse a big dog evangelist of being

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Speaker 2: You can't just have your spidey sense going.

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Speaker 3: No, So Randy he needed an electronic surveillance expert, is

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Speaker 3: what he really.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's gonna bugs. Yes, he rang up.

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Speaker 3: This dude that he knew named Alec Jason, one of

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Speaker 3: them two first named fellas always interesting, the coyote tricksters

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Speaker 2: No, R and D I.

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Speaker 3: So Alec Jason he had the bona fides right, He'd

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Speaker 3: he had to be good.

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Speaker 2: And Sam Spade was based out of Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: You and everyone around me are going to have to

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Speaker 2: For a while.

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Speaker 3: Little jazzed up. Oh it's getting way, yeah, just let

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Speaker 2: I'm on it anyway.

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Speaker 3: So not long after Randy got in touch with Jason,

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Speaker 2: Hey, you just mentioned that I know to.

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Speaker 3: Heal some souls, Zarin.

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Speaker 2: Oh you tricked me.

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Speaker 3: I did I want you to picture it. It's February

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Speaker 3: twenty third, nineteen eighty six. You are Bob Steiner, the

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Speaker 3: assistant to electronics expert Alec Jason. You are both a

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Speaker 2: You are so much fun at parties.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday, you and Jason headed over to the San Francisco

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Speaker 2: You two slip into an.

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Speaker 3: Alec sits beside you with headphones on, listening. Suddenly he

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Speaker 2: Hello, PD, I love you.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to you.

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Speaker 6: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: If you can't, you're in.

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Speaker 3: Trouble because I'm talking as well as I can.

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Speaker 3: You recognize that voice from the recon you and Alec

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Speaker 3: have been doing. It's Elizabeth. Pop Off. You and Alec

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Speaker 3: listen stunned as Elizabeth feeds her husband the personal details

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Speaker 3: was getting information off the prayer cards the couple had

446
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 3: people fill out before they filed in. She and her

447
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 3: staff also chatted up the audience members to glean information,

448
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: and this was proof. You watch as Elizabeth mills around

449
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 3: with a large purse on her shoulder. That has to

450
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 3: be the transmitter, and the microphone must be somewhere under

451
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 3: her blouse. You guess based on the occasional brush of

452
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 3: fabric in your ear. You will later detail what you

453
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 3: hear for an essay in Secular Humanism's publication, but for

454
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: now you are captivated by the con unfolding before you.

455
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 3: Elizabeth whispering and Peter commanding the stage with confidence. You

456
00:22:54,200 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: hear Elizabeth say, Josephine Parino. Josephine Perino calls out to

457
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: the crowd, Hospha Parino Pirino. Josephine Pirino stands and weekly

458
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 3: raises her hand. She's got cancer up the stomach. You've

459
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: got cancer of the stomach. There's a commotion, and then

460
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: Peter raises his hands over Josephine yells for the devil

461
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 3: to back off, and proclaims her heel the whole open,

462
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: palm on the forehead and everything. Rosa came here, Rosa camere.

463
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: She's on the right side too.

464
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 3: Rosa came here?

465
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: Is it came here? Got hives?

466
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: Rosa? You've got high.

467
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: She takes a lot of medication. You've been taking a

468
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: lot of medication.

469
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: She's there with her son, Clipper, and he has.

470
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: A lump in his chest.

471
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 2: He's got a lump in his chest. This is sickening.

472
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: You and Alec exchange glances and sit silently as the

473
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 3: con continues. When the event is over, you watch audience

474
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 3: members stuff money into offering boxes cut checks with the

475
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 3: hopes maybe some of Peter Popoff's healing powers might come

476
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: their way. You wait until the crowd is all left,

477
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: pack up your equipment, and head off to meet up

478
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: with James Randy and his crew of investigators.

479
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: This is just the beginning. I love life. Your life

480
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: is amazing. I haven't had so much to talk about

481
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: at dinner parties. All right, So I was doing this

482
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: gig this week.

483
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 3: So getting just the one show is proof wasn't enough

484
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 3: for James Randy. He wanted incontrovertible evidence, so he and

485
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: his group followed pop Off and crew on the road

486
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: like truly and I need a miracle saying here. So

487
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 3: Randy had volunteers in.

488
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: The parking lot, pretty gas money, it's healing burritos.

489
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: Randy. He had volunteers in each city and they would

490
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 3: use fake names and ailments to and like, look like Mark, Oh.

491
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: They're getting dressed up. Yeah me nice. I was wondering

492
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: they're gonna get caught.

493
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 6: I know.

494
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 3: They wanted to get tagged as quote hot ones, which

495
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: is what Elizabeth thought, and it was like almost two easy,

496
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: we got a hot one. This went on for more

497
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: than six months. In all, there were more than sixty

498
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: volunteers and they hit up pop off revivals in Rochester, Brooklyn, Houston, Stockton, Anaheim, Sacramento,

499
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: San Francisco, Philadelphia, Detroit, Saint Louis, Fort Lauderdale.

500
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 4: His definition of incontrovertible evidence is really hot. It's deep,

501
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 4: the cities in every region.

502
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: Both sides of the mississipis incredible.

503
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 3: So Elizabeth would approach Randy's ragtag bunch of skeptical misfits

504
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: of these things.

505
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: I want to be in this group, and oh god,

506
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: me too.

507
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: Peter would call out their information during the show, and

508
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: Elizabeth is reading the information from the cards like in

509
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: the order she got them. There's no randomizing or shuffling.

510
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: And they thought so little of the intelligence of their audience,

511
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: and they relied so much on their desperation.

512
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: So do you want to hate them more than you

513
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: likely already do Is it possible? Check this out?

514
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: Randy has a recording of Elizabeth pointing out a woman

515
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: to Peter by saying that quote that big N word

516
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: in the back.

517
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got me, and you did it.

518
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 3: In another incident, Randy like relays this story of his

519
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 3: absolute disgust at hearing Elizabeth and her minions laughing their

520
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: tails off over the physical appearance of a man with

521
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: advanced testicular cancer. Oh god, yeah, these people are the

522
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: lowest of the low and telling this story is not

523
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 3: bringing light to the winter of darkness.

524
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: No, but hell ain't hot enough for them.

525
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: But then there's Don henvic He was a prodigious volunteer

526
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: for Randy. Okay, he put on all sorts of disguises, Yes,

527
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: came up with great ailments. I wish it was like

528
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: on that episode of the Office where Dwight has to

529
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: pick a new insurance plan and he makes people list

530
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: their illnesses. Jim writes stuff like sausage fingers classic. So

531
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 3: Don Henvick, at one show he called himself Bernice and

532
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: said he had uterine cancer.

533
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: Bernice all this.

534
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: I can't do this justice. So this is how Science

535
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: and the Paranormal Magazine tells it quote. Finally, pop Off

536
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 3: stood five feet in front of Don and calls his

537
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: alias Bernice Mannikoff. He promised to burn the cancer out

538
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: of her body. He laid hands on Bernice, and Don

539
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: gave his most ladylike shriek as he was shocked by

540
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: the power of the Holy Ghost. Pop Off then commanded

541
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: Bernice to rise out of the wheelchair and walk. Dan

542
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 3: staggered to his feet and walk back and forth across

543
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: the stage to the loud cheers.

544
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: Of the crowd.

545
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: Don's performance was perfect almost It was only later that

546
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: Don learned what had been said about him on the

547
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: secret transmission. Elizabeth talking to pop Off in the zeer

548
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 3: piece quote, Bernice Bernie mann Coff Manicoff, the woman with

549
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: hair on her face. She's in a wheelchair and she

550
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: can walk after Don. He's in a wheelchair, she can

551
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: walk after Don rose from the wheelchairs.

552
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: All her out of the chair. That'll be great to walk.

553
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: Elizabeth started screaming to pop Off via the secret transmitter.

554
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: That's the guy from Anaheim.

555
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: He's a stooge. It's a man.

556
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 6: A man.

557
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 2: Get away from him. That's the guy from Anaheim. Dropping

558
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 2: fast upon.

559
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: Hearing this, Randy and the other investigators felt that it

560
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 3: was time to wrap things.

561
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah you're busted. You you've been made. Yeah. I love

562
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: that he has a beard. Yeah, just like the lazy said,

563
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: there you go. I'm Bernie is a man. You can

564
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: hear burn the nice man.

565
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: I cough, exactly, it's so good. So anyway, Randy collects

566
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: this evidence, goes on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson

567
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: in April nineteen eighty six and spills the beans on

568
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: Peter pop Off. He went on Carson a bunch of

569
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: times to debunk folks. One time Carson booked Uri Geller, Yeah,

570
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: the dude, and so Carson told him like, yeah, we're

571
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: just gonna have this interview.

572
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: You've watched it incredible.

573
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: So Carson puts his own props out for Ury, which

574
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: was unusual because he usually brought his own stuff, and

575
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: of course he couldn't do any of the tricks, and

576
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: he gets like a little prickly with Johnny. Carson sets

577
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: him up like, hey, yeah, pop Off is Ury Geller

578
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: is like, oh, you know, you told me you're just

579
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: going to have some interview questions.

580
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: I can ask you some questions too. It's so amazing.

581
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Johnny salty Johnny is so good, but pop Off

582
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: so he gets exposed on one of the biggest shows

583
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: on TV.

584
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: Today's show totally the pop.

585
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: Off Ministry was asked about the audio bug in Peter's ear.

586
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: Janice Gleeson, a PR consultant, said that the hearing device

587
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: was to keep in touch with the television crew. At

588
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: no point in any of the recordings from the scanner

589
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: did Peter talk to the camera folks a versa, just

590
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: him and Elizabeth. So then this has pointed out to

591
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: the PR lady Gleson, and she countered that the tape

592
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: that Randy played on the tonight show is fake. Pop

593
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: Off later admitted, Okay, yeah, that was Elizabeth on the tape.

594
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: She was communicating that. And he really did go there

595
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: and compare his ministry to a TV game show quote.

596
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: It's just like the price is right, they expect to

597
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: be called down. He said, this is a very effective

598
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: format for television.

599
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: Oh they try to make it like you just don't

600
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: understand how this.

601
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: Is a this is what we do. So coincidentally, that's

602
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: when the whole game show format was mothball at that point.

603
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty seven, he filed for bankruptcy. Pop Off

604
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: him well, he had more than seven hundred and ninety

605
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: unpaid creditors. The ministry held more than a million dollars debt,

606
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: and half of that was just Peter's.

607
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: Personal that a card debt.

608
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that wasn't the end of the ministry of course.

609
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: Six nineteen eighty seven, he incorporated People United for Christ

610
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: as a Californian nonprofit organization, chairman of the board. His dad,

611
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: the o G evangelist, the main smuggler. Let's break here.

612
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 3: We're going to pray for Peter Popoff's soul, which needs

613
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: all the help it can get. Yes, when we get back,

614
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you about his next money moves.

615
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: Zaren he has Risen comes over here praying he would Peter.

616
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: Popoff shamed on the national stage for conning sick folks

617
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: in the name of the Lord. He refused to give up.

618
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: Broken down them a Maine. James Randy he started.

619
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: He started his new five oh one C three and

620
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: he got to Bible crack a lacking, so by the

621
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: nineties he was back on TV.

622
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: The nineties Wow James eighty seven.

623
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: When he did make it, it didn't make a difference.

624
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: It's like before more incontrovertible evidence. He did not have

625
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: enough people. He only played one.

626
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: People don't like logic reason.

627
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: In fact, yo, doctor Martin Luther King said that nothing

628
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: pays people more than having to think, yeah, there it is.

629
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: So before pop Off, his ministry has targeted white people

630
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: in the South basically, and he changed gears and he

631
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: decided to go after a black audience.

632
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: No, didn't see that coming.

633
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: He bought time on b ET Black Entertainment Time.

634
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: That's kind of like the opposite of TV, like cww

635
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: B and Fox. They started the black audience, then go

636
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: to the white audience. He's like, I'll work it backwards.

637
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: He would have these like testimonials from black supporters who'd.

638
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: Been quote healed okay.

639
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: Pop Off told a reporter from GQ that the whole

640
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: Johnny Carson thing really didn't damage his reputation or his wallet.

641
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: His monthly income from the sick dipped a little, but

642
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: then it came right back up, and he apparently never

643
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: stopped doing live shows.

644
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Yeah, So the.

645
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: Washington Post, they pointed out that his EMO never changed. Quote.

646
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: In the documentary exposing his tactics, Popof is shown at

647
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: a nineteen eighty six revival meeting in California, walking up

648
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 3: to an elderly follower, Billy Johnson. The producers then cut

649
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: in Popoff's wife's voice, missus Billy Johnson. She wants to

650
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: get rid of her walker, his wife tells him through

651
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: the transmitter, but Popoff continues to act as if this

652
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: information Johnson's name address illness came to him spontaneously. God

653
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: is burning that arthritis out of her body, he shouts

654
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: as he tosses Johnson's walker far away over the sea

655
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: of heads. In the documentary, the producers later tracked down

656
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: Johnson and show her the image with the superimposed voice

657
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: of Popof's wife. Johnson is crushed, disillusioned. I didn't know

658
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: she was telling him those things, said Johnson, still using

659
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: her walker. That really makes me believe less in him

660
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: yet even today. Yeah, pop Up continues to show that

661
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: same original clip where he is quote healing Billy Johnson

662
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: on his late night show on b e T. The

663
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: debunked clip is part of his promo reel. So there's

664
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: that documentary that it was referenced that uses footage to

665
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: debunk him. He keeps using this original footage this guy does.

666
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: This all like for years. I mean, this is his

667
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: day job, so he has to sit there and be

668
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: around these people he does not respect or like. And

669
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: he's cunning, terrible, terrible.

670
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: By the two thousands he got into mail order healing,

671
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: slash money collecting or healing, yeah, which it appears he's

672
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: still doing to this day. I'm his main offering is

673
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: quote Miracle spring water.

674
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: Oh that stuff. Yeah, he said that.

675
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: He says that the water comes from a spring near Church.

676
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: Noble why Ukraine. And you want this remember yeah, the

677
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: nuclear melt At.

678
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: Disaster in eighty six. Peter said that the people and

679
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: the animals who drank from the spring didn't get radiation sickness,

680
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: thus it must be miracle.

681
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: Of course science. I mean, god, wait, I'm confused. What

682
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: are we doing.

683
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: It's a little bit of both. In twenty sixteen, a

684
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 3: GQ writer went to the Miracle Spring water distribution center

685
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: in New Jersey and he talked to an employee there

686
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 3: who said that the water pop off used was from

687
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: Poland springs.

688
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 2: Not even from the tab it just total delivery.

689
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: This is from the GQ article. Quote, Yeah, they deliver

690
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 3: it right here, he said. Paul's the guy who does

691
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: the deliveries. Once or twice a month. He comes for

692
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: Peter pop Off. We do thirty five gallon sized jugs

693
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: at a time, once or twice a month. One time

694
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: he came in with one hundred and thirty gallon sized jugs,

695
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: and then he said something mysterious, maybe even beautiful. I

696
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: still can't decide pop Off. He said, his own pre

697
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: blessed water in a sixteen ounce bottle to add to

698
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 3: all the jugs of Poland spring, so that every little

699
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: package of water contains a few molecules of holiness.

700
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: Quote.

701
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: I'm the one who pours the blessed water into the drums,

702
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: said the man with the lip rings. I measure it

703
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: out and add it to the drums. Wow, it is

704
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: so holy.

705
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: So they got basically like a you know, a bud

706
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: tender and got him to go in the back and

707
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: do like the dope growing. You're like, here, put this

708
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: cap full of this, but this is holy essence water

709
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's like sure, sure, whatever, yeah, dump dump.

710
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: Dump sixteen out sprite bottle or something.

711
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: And the fact that he even send it, like the

712
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: going through these weird motions of like put it in

713
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: the holy essence water or whatever.

714
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: Then like legally you could be like, no, I added.

715
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: It in I guys, Yeah, good point.

716
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: It has how many parts per million something chernobyl water.

717
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: It should also be noted that on Peterpopoff dot org, yes,

718
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: it is very explicitly stated quote in all caps. Do

719
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: not ingest the miracle spring water.

720
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: What are you supposed to do with you?

721
00:36:59,239 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 6: No?

722
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 3: Do not talk happy fun.

723
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: But he's not stare miracle ware. Wait, there's more.

724
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: People write in, and if they send him cash, he

725
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: sends them like weird little stuff back. So the napkin

726
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: with a picture of Jesus on it that he drew,

727
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: he drew, or like he sends a little baggy with

728
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: this like white material, white crumbly stuff in it, this

729
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 3: miracle mann a cake? What what dried dog poop?

730
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: Or like tinsel. So he's not like recycling.

731
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: Like people send him a drawing that they did on

732
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: a nap day and he sends it to somebody else.

733
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: Like here's twenty dollars.

734
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: Here's something, Yeah, here's some in my backyard napkin?

735
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: What is a prayer napkin?

736
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 6: Yeah?

737
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's a bottle cap I found thinking

738
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: about Jesus.

739
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: But then it's like, you know how if you buy

740
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 3: something online and then you're cursed to get emails from.

741
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: Les, pretend I'm you and I do this go on.

742
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: So you buy one thing, let's say, from Burpie Seeds.

743
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 2: Sure, and then every day you get an.

744
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: Email from Burpie Seeds telling you about some sellers.

745
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: You get that you would get so many He no,

746
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 2: I don't.

747
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 3: I shut up. I don't because I as soon as

748
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: I want to go to the bottom and I oh.

749
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Yeah, I don't do that either.

750
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 6: No.

751
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: So anyway, that's how he handles it. Because once you

752
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: send in some like money, are you asking letter after letters?

753
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

754
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 3: Money?

755
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: Sure? Like Democrat in twenty all.

756
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: Those text messages please. In twenty eleven, a Business Insider

757
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: reporter requested one of the miracles quote miracle spring water

758
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: and debt canceling.

759
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: Kit, debt canceling care.

760
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 3: So this is what they said. Quote. I tore into

761
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: the envelope hoping to find some spring water. I was

762
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 3: immediately disappointed. Instead of a vial of water, I received

763
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: a rambling, five page letter. It immediately became clear that

764
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: this process of getting my debts supernaturally erased was quite

765
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: complicated the letter. The letter included a long list of instructions,

766
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 3: which I attempted.

767
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: To follow supernaturally.

768
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 3: First, I added up all my debts from graduate school

769
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: and my credit mard. I placed the tally, the bills,

770
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: and my checkbook in a pile. In the morning, they're

771
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: following the directions. In the morning, I filled out a

772
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 3: quote prayer slip that contained a grid of ten quote

773
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: troubles I may have in addition to debt. Pop Off

774
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: promised to pray over these troubles too. I checked off

775
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: seven as instructed, including I need stronger faith and a

776
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 3: person causes me trouble. Finally, I wrote pop Off a check.

777
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: For twenty dollars.

778
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 3: This was optional, as pop Off explains in his letter, quote,

779
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: now listen, if there's no way you can send that amount,

780
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: Now send twelve dollars and let me know you'll send

781
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 3: the rest when God provides. I received a second letter

782
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: about two weeks later. The instructions for supernatural debt cancelation

783
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: came strangely on a yellow paper napkin. Beneath the printed

784
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: words was a line drawing of Jesus with his hands outstretched.

785
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: I just don't have the gall I mean to do

786
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: all of this that he's just there's no he has

787
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: no goll none, He's just like, ah, we live. He

788
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: has all the goll the other way he goes the

789
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: other way, He's got all the goal.

790
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: We live in a time of shamelessness. Yeah, spoiler alert,

791
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 3: the writer's debt was not erased. No, and he never

792
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: received any miracle water. What So, here's the Maria Duval

793
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: flashback for you please. GQ wrote that, according to a

794
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 3: former pop off employee whose job it was to open

795
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 3: the letters sent in from.

796
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: Around the country, that's a terrible job.

797
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: On her second day of work, are you having picture

798
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: at flashbacks, she counted about thirty thousand dollars in donations

799
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: in a room filled with about twenty other women doing

800
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: the same job.

801
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: Oh god.

802
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: However, the employee said that quote. The real clincher was

803
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: when they started asking for all your gold, your trinkets,

804
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: your heirlooms on the infomercials, and tubs and tubs of

805
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: gold and stones came in. They would take the stones out,

806
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: take the gold to be resold. Anything that wasn't valuable

807
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: was shredded. I'm sick, I know, I'm disgusting. Oh yeah,

808
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 3: welcome dark saren.

809
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: So what did Dorothy Parker say? You want to know

810
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: what God thinks about money? Look who he gave it to. Yeah.

811
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 3: That so, by two thousand and three, pop Off's new

812
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 3: organization was taking in more than nine million dollars a year.

813
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Peter and Elizabeth, they were pulling in

814
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 3: a combined salary of more than half a million a year.

815
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 3: Their kids were in on it too. Their son, daughter,

816
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 3: son in law each made more than one.

817
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: Hundred thousand dollars a year.

818
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: They're all very righteous gemstones of that. Yes, yeah, So

819
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: by two thousand and six, his organization was making more

820
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: than thirty five million.

821
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: It's like if righteous gemstones and uncut gems ran intogether together.

822
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: He flipped Peter Popoff Ministries from a for profit business

823
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: into a religious organization, making it tax exempt.

824
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: Much.

825
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: I'm shocked you to do.

826
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I guess you can. Probably couln't forget some

827
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: other reason, like he was not allowed he was born.

828
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to say now on his tax forms

829
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: where he gets his money, just saying that it's contributions, gifts, grants.

830
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: That year that he flipped over to that he took

831
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: in six hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars in compensation,

832
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: plus another forty eight grand for his role as board

833
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: member and employee of other related entities.

834
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: Sure Elizabeth made.

835
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: Over two hundred thousand dollars a year, his son made

836
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty one thousand, daughter made one hundred

837
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: and seventy six thousand dollars a year. In two thousand

838
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: and nine, Peter bought himself a Bentley taxi and in

839
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: the paperwork for it said that his monthly income was

840
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 3: north monthly income north of one hundred thousand dollars a

841
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 3: month wow. Peter and Elizabeth live in a four point

842
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: five million dollar, seventy three hundred square foot home in

843
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: a gated community in Bradbury, California, and the house is

844
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: actually oh yeah. House is actually owned by the church

845
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 3: tax free because it's listed as the parsonage. In twenty sixteen,

846
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 3: a GQ writer doing a story on pop Off went

847
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: to Texas to try and visit his church, which is

848
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: supposed to be there one Sunday morning.

849
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: Quote.

850
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: I was surprised when the address for the church I

851
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: found online took me to a storefront and an industrial park.

852
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: The parking lot was deserted and the building was locked.

853
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: There was no church.

854
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 3: Sign outside, and certainly no sign of a church inside.

855
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: Squinting through a window past Venetian blinds, I glimpsed a

856
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: carpeted foyer and beyond that an empty room. This didn't

857
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: look like a house of worship. It looked like a

858
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: mailing address. Later pop offs people would tell me that

859
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: the church had recently moved and it was going by

860
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: a new name now too. It's new address was just

861
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: down the road I discovered in a strip mall, different

862
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: industrial park, different so zaren, Yes, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

863
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: I hate him? I know, I know I shouldn't hate

864
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: a man of religion like this. He's not a man

865
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: of religion, all right, then I can totally hate him,

866
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: you know, Like that, I went and I got my

867
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: minister card online, you know, like I was like, I

868
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: need to marry these people. You and I are both

869
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: ordained ministers.

870
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: Right, and I've married United people in matrimony.

871
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: Totally and I did, actually quite seriously me too, relatively speaking,

872
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: you know, Like I don't mean like every day I

873
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: live like a minister. Sometimes I wear my outfits, but

874
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: other than.

875
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: That, but no, honestly, like when when asked to conduct

876
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: a ceremony, like it was a big decision for me.

877
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: Is this something that I fully believe in and fully

878
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 3: want to do and be a part of.

879
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: Can I provide the holiness of this or the sanctity

880
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: of this? You know?

881
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And we.

882
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: Both think about that for something as casual as marrying

883
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: our friends. And this guy is willing to just for

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Speaker 4: decades now apparently builk these people. Yeah, and there are

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Speaker 4: people who desperately need this money, your gold or gemstones,

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Speaker 4: whatever it is that they're tanding over to them. It's

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Speaker 4: just so unfortunate. They were just like and I know that.

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Speaker 2: It's like, look, it's not apparently it's just not as

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Speaker 2: much fun to rob the wealthy like this because you

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Speaker 2: don't see these people ever. Maybe it's a challenge, but

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Speaker 2: I'm like, the wealthy are just as dumb? Is it

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Speaker 2: because there's not as many of them? Can you not

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Speaker 2: get them into a ratison ballroom?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: What is it that? Why you can't go for the wealthy?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't there might we be them,

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Speaker 3: There must be some Like.

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Speaker 2: With religion, they go for that all the same thing

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Speaker 2: there are, We just don't know about it. You think

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Speaker 2: they're gonna hurt you? Is that what?

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Speaker 6: It is?

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Speaker 3: Probably smarter because they go after the wealthy and they

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Speaker 3: just like we don't hear about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh the people. Oh it's like it's like that's the

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Speaker 2: pro league stuff. We're only hearing about these bush leaguers.

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Speaker 2: Good call. I didn't thought about that, dude. You are

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Speaker 2: always on that like next level gall brain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much, you know me, galaxy brain fog, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: So what's your ridiculous takeaway? Elizabeth? You see why I

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Speaker 2: did that same thing as me?

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Speaker 3: No, I just I was really like I was kind

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Speaker 3: of worried when I first started looking into him, like

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Speaker 3: I don't want to attack someone, you know, and it's

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Speaker 3: like I'm not going after any religion at all, Like

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Speaker 3: I never want to do that because I said faith

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Speaker 3: is personal and I don't want to attack someone's beliefs.

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Speaker 3: But the more I read, like, the angrier I got.

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Speaker 3: And I don't like when that happens because I like

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Speaker 3: to keep it fun and light as gracious. This guy's

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Speaker 3: ridiculously terrible. You know what we need to like cleanse

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Speaker 3: this Oh I need I need of a talkback.

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Speaker 2: Dave got one, brother, Dave, I got one? Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I went cheat.

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Speaker 5: I just wanted you. I don't know that. When Elizabeth

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Speaker 5: said in the Ceiling episode, to imagine that guy wearing

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Speaker 5: whatever you wanted to wear, like whatever makes you happy,

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Speaker 5: I absolutely imagined him wearing one of those blow up

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Speaker 5: t Rex costumes running.

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Speaker 2: That is amazing. It's so incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what it was from now on in all

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Speaker 3: of our minds. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: That was perfect.

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Speaker 3: They get such a sassy walk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the top work directions.

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Speaker 3: Good, let's get you one. That's it for today. You

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