1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Doc Rivers was an All 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Star for the Hawks in the eighties, Coach of the 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: Year for the Magic twenty one years ago, an NBA 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: champ in two thousand and eight for the Celtics, and 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: then unceremoniously let go for the Clippers after last season 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: in what was deemed a disappointing year, although favored most 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: of the season to win the title. Doc Rivers now 12 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: joins US. So you know, Doc, I always thought, I 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: mean your reputation around the league. I've always compared you 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: to Joe Torre and baseball, where you're an adult. You 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: played the game. Players respect you, free agents respect you. 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: There's a you have a presence. Everybody gets that. But 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: you don't over coach. You do let leaders lead and 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: players play. That was your secret in Boston. You had 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: very strong on court leadership. So you can tweet, you can't. 20 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: Coaches can't be responsible for all the leadership. You gotta 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: have guys that can do it. And I thought one 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: of the things with the Clippers that was kind of unfair. 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: You didn't really have a kgear Toronto. Now, Kawhi is 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: a terrific player, but he's nonverbal. He's nonverbal, and Paul 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: George again, I don't see him as a grab the 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: throat guy. So I thought last year, you know, people 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: were saying, well, you know, the chemistry, and my take 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: was time out. I watched Doc's whole career. He was 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: a leader as a player, he was a leader as 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: a coach. But is it possible that the Clippers were 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: a little tougher team, especially in the bubble, to create 32 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,279 Speaker 1: chemistry because your leaders were not overly verbal guys. Yeah, 33 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: you know you could say that, but I would say 34 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: this that that team we never had a chance to 35 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: become a team. You know. Um, I think going into 36 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: the bubble, PG and Kawai had had one practice together 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: on the floor. You know, people forget did PG missed 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: the entire training camp, He missed the first fourteen games, 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: and then when he came back and played those seven 40 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: or eight games, Kawai gets hurt and then you know, 41 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: we just never had a practice with them, with the 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: full team practice. And then when we were getting the bubble, 43 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: you know, we have PG, we have Kauai. Now you 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: remember Kawai came. I think he was five days late 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: coming to the bubble. And then we have trays out 46 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: for thirty days of the bubble. Lou Williams, you know, 47 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: going to get his wings. He was for twenty five 48 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: days of the bubble. Pet Beverley was out for twenty 49 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: six days of the bubble. So I was concerned, like 50 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, the guys will tell you. I told them 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: going into the playoffs that there were three teams that 52 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: were together, like you could fill their chemistry, and we 53 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: were not one of them. Uh, And so we had 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: to try to grow that and and honestly we never did. 55 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Um you know, we just didn't. And so you live 56 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: with that. You have, you know, you have you know 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: what I tell my guys this all the time. You 58 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: have great success and everybody loves that, right, but when 59 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: things don't work your way, you have to embrace that too. 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: And you know, some guys do, some guys don't. And 61 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: I've always been one to understand the longer you're in sports, 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: the ups and downs are you know, as Bill Belichick 63 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: said to me, once you know, you either land the 64 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: playing smoothly or it's a cross landing. That's it. And 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: that sports in a nuts ship, you know. So you 66 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: you go to Philadelphia and immediately the chemistry works. You know, 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: Tobias Harris in his game, he shows immediate statistical improved, 68 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: Joel Embiid immediate statistical improvement. Simmons and Embiid work together. 69 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, oh jeez, Doc, Doc's 70 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: a chemistry guy, God Dot Dick a chemistry But you 71 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: did something there immediately. What did you install in Philadelphia 72 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: to immediately a sense of these three can really gel together? Well? 73 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: I think it was important early on to make sure 74 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: to one of them knew what I needed them to 75 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: do for us to win. I thought it was also 76 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: very important in all three understood that we could win together. 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: There's the talk Colin before you know, me taking that 78 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: job is then, and Joel can't, can't, haven't. And I 79 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: kept saying to them, yet, like you use the word yet, 80 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: that's way more important than they Well, they haven't won 81 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: a title, and I said, no, that yet neither has 82 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: You know, you can name a ton of duels that 83 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: haven't won yet, the differences, and I told them is 84 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty four, that's their age, you know. Uh, 85 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 1: they're young. They have a chance to get better as players. 86 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: And I asked them to accept that they have to 87 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: get better. And I asked them to accept that we 88 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: have to play differently. And then each one of them, 89 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: like Joel, I told him, if you're come in shape, 90 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna be good. And same thing with Ben and 91 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: they did that. So they came in with the right 92 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: frame Colin. You know, tough ending for them last year 93 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: with Ben getting hurt, getting swept out of the playoffs, 94 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: so there was a lot of stuff there. And then 95 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: Tobias and I we just we've had a great relationship. Yeah. 96 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: I called him in the bubble last year and asked 97 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: him what the hell he was doing, you know, even 98 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: though he wasn't my player, we have relationship and you know, 99 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: so that was an easy fit for me. You know, 100 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: go back to the Boston team. I remember the heatles 101 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: with Lebron Bosh and I never thought they were a 102 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: great fit. I've never classified them as a great dynasty. 103 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: You know. Bosch had to become more of a perimeter 104 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: player Wade in Lebron. They were kind of super athletic, 105 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: but I never thought it was a perfect fit. But 106 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: they just had so much damn talent and they liked 107 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: each other. They were all smart players that liked each other. 108 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: How long did it did it take in Boston where 109 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, because I mean, Rondo's a very strong personality 110 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: and so is Kevin. Were there moments where it was disjointed? 111 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: Even in Boston, it wasn't to that point because you remember, 112 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: Rondo wasn't Rondo yet. So we had Rondo in a 113 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: perfect place. He just wanted to learn and win, and 114 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: he was almost you know, he's not in oh of 115 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: anybody because that would never be Rondo. Uh, But he 116 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: knew that Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen were coming in 117 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: the door, you know, and so he wanted to make 118 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: that fit and he did. Ronald was very important for that, 119 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: but I would say k Colin was the key, like 120 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: KG was so team oring it. You know. I've often 121 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: called him the best superstar role player in the history 122 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: of the game, because he's a superstar, but he got 123 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: he understood what it took to play a role and 124 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: he pushed my agenda and on everyone else, you know 125 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: about their roles and what we needed to do. And 126 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: so when you had like a guy like Kevin next 127 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: to you helping you with the culture, you know things 128 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: are gonna work out very well for you most most 129 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: of the times. And uh, and so that team I 130 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: was concerned. It's funny. I was concerned going into the 131 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: play offs with Boston because we hadn't had a test. 132 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: We didn't lose two games in a row. The entire year. 133 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: We were blowing teams out. We had had no injuries, 134 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: we had had no like we had had nothing. And 135 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: usually you have some kind of adversity going in and 136 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: if you ever look back. Someone asked me, I think 137 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: of Steve Bullpit. What's my one concern? And I said 138 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: lack of adversity And he was like, what, We've had 139 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: no adversity, So thank god in Atlanta. Um, yeah, listen, 140 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: the city of Atlanta is a very difficult city. Let 141 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: me just put it that way. You know, we went 142 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: in game six thought, you know, we just knocked him out. 143 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: And I would tell you twenty minutes and fifteen minutes 144 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: into the game, I remember returned to the tips. You 145 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: can see our guys. They they didn't take the game 146 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: very seriously and Atlanta put it to him um. And 147 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: it was the first time, probably my only time went 148 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: to a Game seven that I was not concerned about 149 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: winning the game and in a really kind of a 150 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: crazy way thinking this is the best thing that could 151 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: have ever happened to this team. And it was. I mean, 152 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: we won Game seven by like fifty I think if 153 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: you remember, but it's stared the lights out of him. 154 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: It actually that team from that point on took nothing 155 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: off and I thought that was important for him. Yeah, 156 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, m Esthetically, I grew up with conflict at 157 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: the rim. It's why I like watching Zion. I like 158 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: the dunk, I like d Wade and MJ. I like that, 159 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: But I also appreciate the three point shot. When did 160 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: you realize how many years ago did you realize, Doc, 161 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: when you see guys come down on the break and 162 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: the numbers are good and they pull up for a three, 163 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: were you initially uncomfortable with it? It was it goes 164 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: against everything you learn to play basketball. But was there 165 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: a moment ten twelve years ago you went to an 166 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: assistant or you had an epiphany and said, you know, fellas. 167 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: The game's changing. It's more European, it's more for ness, 168 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: it's more three pointers. And did you initially embrace it? Yeah, 169 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: I was, I was early on. I will say that. 170 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at my offensive efficiency throughout my career, 171 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: I've been very good out of time out, it's very good. 172 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: And I never bought into all out threes because I 173 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: don't think you should do all out of anything. I 174 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: mean just studied life. Yeah, you just do everything one 175 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: way and do it well. And so I thought it 176 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: was a mistake early on by every team that tried 177 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: to be Golden State. It just logically made no sense 178 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: to me because they had the three best shooters in 179 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: the league, so you're gonna try to out shoot them. 180 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: It just made no logical sense to me. And so 181 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: you have to look at your team and have the 182 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: right you know, flow, the right and for us, like 183 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: this team is completely different than the Clipper team, but 184 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: offensively we're rolling. We throw it to the posts a lot, Yeah, 185 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: but we look at the posts as a layup, you know, 186 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: and so we get the post, which is a layup, 187 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: or if you want a trap, we get to three, 188 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, and so we create threes through the posts, 189 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: and it's amazing what the post. Having a dominant post 190 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: player like Joel does because you can stop runs. The 191 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: thing with the three point that I always thought if 192 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: the team has got a run on you, if you're 193 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: relying on the three, that's a hurt one to stop 194 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: a run with. You know, you need a layup you 195 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: need and the fact that we have the ultimate layup 196 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: guy in Joel it really helps us in those. That's 197 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: why we've been so good in close games because we're 198 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: getting the basket, or we're getting the file, or we're 199 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: getting open shot because of them. The issue Vive always 200 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: had with Simmons and embat is a fairly obvious one. 201 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: Ben's not a perimeter player as much as he is 202 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: a great closer at the rim. If mbiad clogs the rim, 203 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: clogs the lane. This is why Lebron, by the way, 204 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: likes his bigs to get out of the way, because 205 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: when Lebron loses confidence occasionally in his jumper, he wants 206 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: to finish at the rim. Simmons is not a perimeter player. 207 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: What is the con in your offense? Do you ever 208 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: find conflict where hey, we got to get Ben involved Joel, 209 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: I need you to move off. But Ben is involved 210 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: because he has the ball all the time. What we 211 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: had to get is this narrative that Ben needs to 212 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: be a three point shooter. Ben is too good at 213 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: too many things, you know. And the other thing is, 214 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: see I've always looked at it. If you're a driver, 215 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: there is room because if Joel Embiid is on the 216 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: other block and I'm on the other block and I drive, 217 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: we dare you to go hell if you help, you're 218 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: leaving off of Joel's and beads and body. It's the 219 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: same reason why Kobe and Shaq worked in some ways. 220 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: They were personality wise, but they were his players because 221 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: Kobe shot jumpers and all. But he was a driver 222 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: as well. But when he drove, he knew they're not 223 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: coming off of his body, and they do. Then I 224 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: throw it up to him. It's the same thing with 225 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: Ben and Joel. I just think I needed to show 226 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: them why that did work and now they believe that. 227 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: And then for Joel on the other end, that's where 228 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: it's tougher. When you post Joel and they trapped. We 229 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: had to make Ben the cutter. That's a six nine 230 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: guy cutting through the middle of the pain. If you 231 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 1: take him now, you're leaving Danny Green, stef Curry or Tobias. 232 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: So for us, I thought the most important part was 233 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: making sense of why it worked and then showing Joel 234 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: in particular on the post if they trapped, this is 235 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: what should happen. And it's been really good for us 236 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: and Joel. The one thing I will say about him 237 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: a lot of things because I didn't know him Colin. 238 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: I talked to him in Africa, of all places. 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FanDuel dot com 256 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: slash cowherd for more info FanDuel dot com slash cowherd. 257 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: They know we sent you fan duel more ways to win, 258 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, I always I always go back to the 259 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: Belichick and Brady did not have dinner once in twenty years. 260 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: Brady admits that Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll now have issues, 261 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: and my point is, get over it. You don't have 262 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: to be best friends. Basketball is weird, though we're in baseball. 263 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: A third of the team goes to the bullpen. They 264 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: don't hang with the other guys. In football, half the 265 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: guys are oh, half the guys are defense. In basketball, 266 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: it's twelve thirteen dudes, small planes are around each other. 267 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: Is basketball slightly more important that you have some chemistry 268 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: with teammates? Yeah, it is. You have to have chemistry 269 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: to win, you have to have a group of guys 270 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: that have bought in to the same goal. If you 271 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: don't have that, you can actually have great industry as 272 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: far as guys go out together. They like each other, 273 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: but they get on the court. If everybody's not bought 274 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: in it, you know, you hear that term, You're not winning, 275 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: You're just not. Did you ever have a team that 276 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: was talented and had lousy on court chemistry? Oh? God, yeah, yeah. 277 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: I mean my my first Clipper team didn't have great chemistry, 278 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, um, the Chris Paul and Blake and Blake 279 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: and DeAndre uh you know. And I always look at 280 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: those teams and you know, I haven't had other teams really, 281 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: most of the teams I've been able to get to 282 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: buy in. I would say that's one of my strips 283 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: is to sell sell the dream. You know, you have to. 284 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: And with that team, I couldn't. I tried, I did. 285 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: I would say this Coline, that first year they had 286 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: bought in, we are on our way. And you remember 287 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: that Oklahoma Debaco where we came apart late in that 288 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: one game, um, and that you never can put the 289 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: cap back in, you know, right. But there was a moment, 290 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: and you know, I always kind of wish I had 291 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: never said it. Moment in that Oklahoma series. I think 292 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: it was Game three, the ball was just flying around 293 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: the floor. It might have been Game four, and I 294 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: turned to one of my assistants and said, we got it. 295 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: I didn't mean the series. I meant you could see it. 296 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: And then we lose two games later it was gone 297 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: and never to return, you know. And so that was 298 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: a team. I don't know if we were good enough 299 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: to win or not, but but we were really talented. 300 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: Chris Paul has been one of my favorite guards in 301 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: the history of basketball. I know, he's a pain in 302 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: the ass sometimes and he's tough on guys. He's very 303 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: old school. He was old school at Wake Forest. Talk 304 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: about super high IQ. Listen, when a guy has a 305 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: real strong belief system like Chris, you can't coach him 306 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: for a hundred games and not battle. Did you and Chris, 307 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he's just you're both strong, world smart guys. Yeah, 308 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: but so did Rondell, And I'm good with that. Like 309 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: to me, let's talk, let's let's debate. Uh, you know, 310 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: I have this debate and decide, all right, Uh, but 311 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: you can't always be right, you know, and you have 312 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: to want to get it right instead of being right, 313 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: thank you. Uh you know what I mean. And that's 314 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: so important. Um. And so me and Chris we absolutely 315 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: had you know. I remember going a whistle one time 316 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: and yelling, there's impossible for you to be right all 317 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: the time. And you know, he get mad at me, 318 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: but then we move on like it's funny, like we 319 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: have this love hate relationship, more loved than hate. But 320 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: it takes that like it Uh, it takes what it 321 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: takes cold, it really does. And if you have to 322 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: go through that battle to get on the right page 323 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: as a coach, you better be willing to go through 324 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: it or you're not going to get it right. And 325 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, but he is, he is brilliant, uh smart. Um, 326 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: he is as competitive as any human being I've been around. 327 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: And you know, like Michael Jordan's tight competitiveness. Um. Yeah. 328 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: And so at the end of the day, for the 329 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: most part, I always forgave him whenever we were on 330 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: the wrong side of an argument because I knew where 331 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: it was coming from. You know. It wasn't from lack 332 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: of wanting to win, you know. And and so but 333 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: but even him, you gotta at some point, no, like 334 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: you can't be right and and he got that at 335 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: the end. With me, I thought we had a pretty 336 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: good relationship for the most part. I went up and down. 337 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: We have a amazing relationship. Now it's funny how that happen. 338 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: Happens how much basketball we talk now we call um. 339 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: But I think you learned that as a player, like Okay, 340 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: I gotta even though I want to do this, what's 341 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: good for the team, maybe doing something else, and have 342 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: to give up. I have to give myself. Uh And 343 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: and so I think like right now watching Chris, I'm 344 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: watching money with Chris. I think that's what's going on. Yeah, 345 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: I love both those guys. You know, Anthony Davis is 346 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: going to be out another additional three weeks. And I've 347 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: made this argument is that we don't want our running 348 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: backs to carry it forty five times a game. We 349 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: don't want our quarterbacks to throw it fifty times. We 350 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: understand the value of efficiency. And I've made this argument 351 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: on some centers and Joel maybe this player as well. 352 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: Anthony Davis is not going to give you eighty two 353 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: and twenty two in the playoffs, So just come to 354 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: terms with it. I thought, yeah, never. So by the way, 355 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: last year, Lakers got a huge break, he got a 356 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: four and a half month break, and so he was 357 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: dominant in the postseason. And so when he got hurt 358 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: this year, and you could, and I could make this 359 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: argument with Embiid, give me fifty and be ready for 360 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: the postseason, and it sometimes we have this. I mean, 361 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: James Harden gives me eighty two and looks exhausted by 362 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: the middle of the second round. Could I make the 363 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: argument you're better off resting Embiid for the next month 364 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: and a half, make sure he's healthy, make sure he's energized. 365 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: He and a d maybe just fifty fifty four game players, 366 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: and then the playoffs well for us, I would say no, 367 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: only because playoff positioning for a young team is vital. 368 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: If you're young, you you gotta have the right position, 369 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: or it's really hard. The Lakers are defending champions. They 370 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: could be an AC and they're gonna be just five 371 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: and I mean that, you know. Listen, I'm buy as 372 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: I coached the Clippers. I love the guys. I thought, 373 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: I just and I think they had a hell of 374 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: a summer overall. I still think talent wise, I mean, 375 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: and deepness it is, they're tough. You know, we're gonna 376 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: say they're better because I don't want to start a 377 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: whole new Twitter war. But you know, listen, they're gonna 378 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: be hard. They're gonna be a hard out let me 379 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: put it that way. And so, but they probably need 380 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: to have things going there way as far as home 381 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: court as well, I think playoff positioning is important for them. 382 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: But for the Lakers, yah, whatever it takes to be 383 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: radiant healthy for them is what's gonna make them really 384 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: tough in the playoffs. So the Bubble last year, it 385 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: was interesting, Docum. The Bubble was the first time in 386 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: my life young teams flourished. And I thought it was 387 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: fairly obvious. Older guys are married with kids, they missed 388 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: their families. The young guys it was like AU basketball 389 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: with hoops and video games. So the young teams were 390 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: great in the bubble. But I think there's you do 391 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: you agree with that they were? I mean, I said 392 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: the same thing because you know, I had Austin who 393 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: went through AU. Austin had forty one in the bubble, 394 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, and and I actually called him and said, 395 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: and he you know because he grew up in Orlando, 396 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: so as yeah, he lived his life at Disney, playing 397 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: in that gym. He has the forty one. The first 398 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: thing out of his mouth back to you, baby, and 399 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: that's what it felt like. So I'm gonna throw this 400 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: at you that I think we also now this year, 401 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: Doc haves something that's a little fools gold. We have 402 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: a condensed schedule. So for a team like Boston that's 403 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: more tactical, they don't get that extra day of practice 404 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,239 Speaker 1: or film study. But for Okay, and they've had some 405 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: moving parts now. But for a team like Utah, same dudes, 406 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: several years, very deep shit, they can roll it out 407 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: and get fifty seven wins. So I think there's a 408 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: little fool's gold that there's some teams that are really okay. 409 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: I'll give you a Brooklyn. You got three of the 410 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: greatest shooters ever. It is impossible to prepare for them 411 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: in a one hour tape session. So you're right, You're 412 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: right where you're going. And like, and I'm not patting 413 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: ourselves on the back. I was when I saw this 414 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: schedule come out with us, new team, new coach, trying 415 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: to change roles, I was panicked. I was like, holy gosh, 416 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: we don't have enough time. We're too young. Uh, And 417 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: so I have never been more creative in films. We've 418 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: watched more film we we we are. Shoot arounds are 419 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: an hour and a half like I would have shot 420 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: myself last year someone told me that you're gonna have 421 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: an hour and a half shoot around, you know. But again, 422 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: you gotta do what you have to do. You gotta 423 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: do what it takes. And but I was really worried 424 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: about the teams like Milwaukee, all the teams that have 425 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: been together. Yes, like they they're just they can pay 426 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: by numbers, you know, but but us other teams can. 427 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: So every game is a learning game for us, and 428 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: the growth game. Same with Boston and some other teams 429 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: because we have because of Joel, we are attacked team 430 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: as well, and and and a rhythm chemistry team. And 431 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's you're right about that. Those are the 432 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: teams that scare you, the teams that have been together. 433 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: All right, I want to play rapid Fire with you. 434 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: Would do I want to ask you questions and the 435 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: first thing that comes to your mind. We do Rapid 436 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: Fire once a week with our biggest guests and you're 437 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: a guy this week. You ready. The best teammate you 438 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: ever had watch by far because he was a baller 439 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: or love who he was like. He didn't do a 440 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: lot of talk and just did a lot of playing. 441 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: In Pat Ridley's practiced with one thousand hours a day, 442 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: and Patrick Ewing was bone on bone, should not have practiced, 443 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: never missed one, just did the work, showed up. So 444 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: I just loved him that way. I have other sput 445 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: web Uh. We're still very close Randy Whitman, who I'm 446 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: very close with, but Patrick was my guy. The current 447 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: NBA coach you respect the most is Well, Pop's an 448 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: easy one, right, I mean, and probably he would be 449 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: the one too because I respect how really is You know, 450 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: We've had for the most part an amazing relationship, but 451 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 1: we had a tough relationship for a little bit and 452 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: we were good with that. Both of them are stubborn. 453 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: His health and now were great, but I love what 454 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: he stands for all around. The toughest player you ever 455 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: had to guard was Well, I'll tell you too. You know, 456 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: Michael obviously was tough, but I enjoyed it. For some 457 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: sick reason. I had liked guarding him. I was big. 458 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: You know, I had the one game where I irritated 459 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: him enough where he wanted to choke me. So to me, 460 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: I was good with that. Magic in you have a kid, 461 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: remember as like your dad used to play basketball with you. Uh, Like, 462 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: my dad was big and he or my older brother, 463 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: and they just backed you down and looked at you 464 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: like you're a little kid. Magic played you that way, 465 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: and so like he was very frustrating because he was 466 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: sixteen and there was nothing you can do to bother him. 467 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 1: And for me, he would be the one, and then 468 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: Ricky Piers would be the one. That no one knows. 469 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Ricky Piers has dominated me. He destroyed me, and I'm 470 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: a hell of a defender. And it's funny in the 471 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: locker room the players note, like when we went to 472 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: play Milwaukee, I remember dominiqueuzz like, oh goodness, Dock's gonna 473 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: get toasted tonight. And I knew it. And that's not 474 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: a good thing when you think you're a defender. Dominique 475 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: Wilkins once told me, he goes, I love guarding MJ. 476 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: He goes. I could not sleep when we played Bernard King. 477 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: He goes, I never stopped him on a possession. If 478 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: you never played basketball, you would be in Washington, DC. 479 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: I really believe that I was an interest scoop politics 480 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: major um. Wanted to get in politics, not be one 481 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: of the politicians, thank no, no way. But I wanted 482 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: to work in DC. I wanted to make things happen 483 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: from behind the scenes. So I really believe that's where 484 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: I would have been. If you could time travel, bring 485 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: back one NBA legend to play for your sixers, Now 486 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: that's a perfect fit. Oh god, that's a loaded question, um, Michael, 487 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, what coaching your kids fun or 488 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: a burden? Truthfully, well, a bit of both. More of 489 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: a burden than fun for sure, especially in the NBA level. 490 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know who said it. I think 491 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: Mike Utella. We were having a conversation, and whoever said 492 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: it was right. If you are coaching your kid on 493 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: the NBA level, you want him to be the worst 494 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: player on the team or the best player on the team. 495 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: Anything else makes it. And Austin was right in the middle, 496 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: and so that made it very difficult. Yeah. So I 497 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: love having you on. It's great seeing you again. You know. 498 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: You know what's funny about the NBA and it's really 499 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: Belichick was fired in the NFL, and he read in 500 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: the NFL is that if I was fired, he'd break 501 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: my heart. I'd lose my confidence. But for you, Doc, 502 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you were coach of the Year in Orlando, 503 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: a champion in Boston, number one seed with the Clippers. 504 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: You don't let it. I mean you literally leave the Clippers, reboot, 505 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: go to Philadelphia. But is there a moment when somebody 506 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: says it's over. Do you have a moment of sadness? 507 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: Does that exist for you? Oh? Yeah? Yeah, Like I 508 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: get sad on losses. I get sad. You know, I've 509 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: lost two jobs. You know I got fired in Orlando 510 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: and I got fired with the Clippers, and you know, 511 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: neither one of them. When you're doing it, you think, wow, 512 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: are they making you have the confidence that you think 513 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: they're making a mistake. But it still hurts you. You know, 514 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: it bothers you, but it doesn't rip you apart, you 515 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I was down. I was 516 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: down this year, especially for a while, even after taking 517 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: the Filly job. I was still down about it because 518 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: I want to be great at my job and I 519 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: think I'm really good at what I do, and on 520 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: those moments that you're not, you take it personal. So yeah, 521 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: I have no issues with that. Tell my players to 522 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: embrace that, you know, and so you have to, you know, 523 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: like I said in the beginning of our interview, we 524 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: can't just have all the good and not deal with 525 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: the bad. That's not real. And so I'm good with that. 526 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: Great talking to you. I love seeing you. I wish 527 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: we talked more. I always root for you. You're one 528 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: of the really good guys and really smart guys. And uh, 529 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: I got my little podcast company we just started, and 530 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: I just said, you're one of the guys I put 531 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: on the list, and I just appreciate you taking thirty 532 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: minutes for us. Well, I love your work, as I've 533 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: told you before, so let's do it again. You do 534 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: the work, and I just like to spending time with you. 535 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: So let's do it and enjoy LA for me because 536 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: I do miss that weather today at rain. I know 537 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: we get four of those a year. Today one of them. Yeah, 538 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: that's just too bad. Good seeing you do, all right, 539 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: Take care, don't forget to follow us at the Volume 540 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: Sports on Twitter and Instagram, Rate review, and subscribe. We're 541 00:31:48,840 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: having fun. Join the party, the volume