WEBVTT - Poor Brett Favre?!

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<v Speaker 1>Native Lamp Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, d'all, welcome home. It's episode forty two of

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<v Speaker 1>Native Lamp Pod. So the pod is almost as old

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<v Speaker 1>as us, you guys, because I can't believe we're already

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<v Speaker 1>on forty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, well I'm older than that.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, it's well, we're Angela's elders, but almost as Andrew.

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<v Speaker 1>You look pretty snazzy and you're Miami Vice.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I just you know, here's my hurricane outfit in case

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<v Speaker 5>y'all find me, you know, under a break.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Seriously concerned because there is a storm headed your way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are you saying your direct hit here in Tallahassee?

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<v Speaker 3>Possibly a Cat three, which would be about the strongest

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<v Speaker 3>storm that we've had here.

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<v Speaker 5>So I had two hurricanes when I was mayor of Tallahassee,

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<v Speaker 5>and that was after almost fifty years of no storm.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's thirty years of no storms.

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<v Speaker 5>And now we've been you know whatever. So I'm actually

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<v Speaker 5>we get packing the family up and they're trying to

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<v Speaker 5>get out of here any minute now, and I'll get

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<v Speaker 5>out when I finished some house preparations.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well, thank you for being dedicated to stick around.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome home, and already right exactly, angel I've already complimented

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<v Speaker 1>you on your Shreditdnim.

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<v Speaker 6>I just got thrown around in a garbage disposal, but

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<v Speaker 6>don't mind me. I just don't think I was gonna

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<v Speaker 6>wear it. So you know, in Seattle it's get a

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<v Speaker 6>little colder. So I was like, well, I'm at home,

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<v Speaker 6>so let me put this on before. This is not

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<v Speaker 6>in vogue? Is this?

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<v Speaker 1>It's the first show.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm in Denham. I don't know what happened to you

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<v Speaker 6>all since this photo.

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<v Speaker 3>Shoot right down below. I can't show it right now, but.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, okay, okay, well so draws today to.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I counted. Trust me, I got

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<v Speaker 1>on dental. I'm somewhere.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me tell you to don't ever have on dinnim.

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<v Speaker 6>Tiff By write dinhim on her hands, and I just

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<v Speaker 6>want y'all to know again for the record, in case

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<v Speaker 6>came from Tiffany, she is not followed.

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<v Speaker 1>And only got those boots because Angela had them. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought they were cute, so then I went and bottom

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<v Speaker 1>and I probably had worn them since anyway, Angela, what

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<v Speaker 1>are we or what are you? What are you talking

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<v Speaker 1>about today?

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<v Speaker 4>On boy?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I want to talk about Brett Farr. Tiff. I

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<v Speaker 6>know you're a resident sports expert, so you know what

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<v Speaker 6>NFL team this man's played for.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me just say I know this. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>say I know this because I was reading an article

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<v Speaker 1>on my I just landed and on a flight this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading the Times and they did a whole

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<v Speaker 1>article on it, so I know that he played for

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<v Speaker 1>the Tennessee type Oh right now.

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<v Speaker 6>About green Baka.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, then never mind, I was reading something about somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who played.

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<v Speaker 6>We were just sharing to demonstrate for you all is

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<v Speaker 6>how easy it is for people in influential position to

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<v Speaker 6>cover the media, uh, to be also swayed by misinformation.

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<v Speaker 6>That was just.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly you're going right up.

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<v Speaker 6>What I want to talk about? To go up your alley, go,

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<v Speaker 6>Andrew go.

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<v Speaker 5>And there's been a lot in the news office about

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<v Speaker 5>Janet jackson commentary about Kamala Harris, And while that has

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<v Speaker 5>been interesting, I'm actually much more interested in the angle

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<v Speaker 5>love why it is that we think celebrities people in

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<v Speaker 5>the public space are supposed to be educated and aware

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<v Speaker 5>and knowledgeable about all things politics, and is it right?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it fair? I love to have that conversation with y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that. I actually am interested in talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this Brat Farr thing in Tennessee. Yes, yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>former Titans player in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 6>And it also happens to be something happening in Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 6>Look up Tanni Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that I am familiar with, so I know you.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of thoughts on that. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>curious how we're in covering. So my subject is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of somber, so I definitely don't want to kick us off,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to talk about the death penalty in

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<v Speaker 1>this country. You all have probably seen those posts that

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<v Speaker 1>a man was lynched today. You saw a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people posting about that this week, and I just I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about this because it's a challenging position

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<v Speaker 1>for us as black folks to be in in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know how we're gonna kick it off first,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's kick it off. Nonetheless, Welcome home, y'all. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to kick us off because my subject is somber.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think you should not. But see that's somber

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<v Speaker 1>in a different way. So I think we should end

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<v Speaker 1>with celebrities. I think Angela, you should kick us off.

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<v Speaker 6>But that's different. All right, I'm kicking us off. So

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<v Speaker 6>why don't we do this instead of me kicking you off.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's go straight to the Ways and Means Committee testimony

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<v Speaker 6>testimony that Brett Favre gave earlier this week at a

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<v Speaker 6>hearing about the misuse of TANNIF, which temporary assistance for

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<v Speaker 6>needy families. All of those dollars being misallocated in several states,

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<v Speaker 6>and Mississippi is one of them. Brett Farbus found himself

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<v Speaker 6>in the crosshairs. Let's roll it.

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<v Speaker 7>Democrats and Republicans should agree. Rampant state misuse of TANNA

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<v Speaker 7>funds is hurting efforts to help vulnerable families and children.

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<v Speaker 7>And I was told Ways and Means Committee was working

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<v Speaker 7>on this problem. So I was willing to speak to

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<v Speaker 7>you to encourage Congress to reform this important anti poverty program.

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<v Speaker 7>And I urge Congress to put taniff guardrails in place

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<v Speaker 7>to ensure that what happened in Mississippi doesn't happen again.

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<v Speaker 7>I urge Congress to pass the TANNA reforms included in

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<v Speaker 7>the Committee member bills, Reforms designed to target funds to

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<v Speaker 7>those truly most in need, to help low income American

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<v Speaker 7>find and keep a job, to limit how states can

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<v Speaker 7>spend tan of grants and reduce wasteful bureaucracy, and to

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<v Speaker 7>protect tax fair funds from fraud and abuse. And in closing,

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<v Speaker 7>thank you Chairmans Smith and ranking Member Neil.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, when you hear Brett Favre here, he sounds like

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<v Speaker 6>the model citizen. He's using all the right talking points. Waste, fraud,

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<v Speaker 6>and abuse is something that Democrats and Republicans have agreed

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<v Speaker 6>on for a long time when we talk about government spending.

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<v Speaker 6>Now here's the challenge. There is a lot that was

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<v Speaker 6>left out and a lot left to be desired. But

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to go to a Green Bay Packers fan.

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<v Speaker 6>Congressoman Gynmore, who worked on tannef legislation in the state

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<v Speaker 6>legislature and has certainly worked on it in the House

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<v Speaker 6>as a single mother, please drow the tape.

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<v Speaker 8>But I do want to say that I was at.

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<v Speaker 3>The scene of the crime.

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<v Speaker 8>When we ended welfare as we knew it in nineteen

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<v Speaker 8>ninety six.

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<v Speaker 9>I was in.

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<v Speaker 8>Wisconsin, I was a state senator. I had one hundred

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<v Speaker 8>amendments that would have addressed this problem. And what I

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<v Speaker 8>am saying to you, I just want to repeat some

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<v Speaker 8>of the things that have been said here already that

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<v Speaker 8>this flexibility was deliberate it. Indeed, I agree with mister

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<v Speaker 8>George's characterization of it is that it literally became a

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<v Speaker 8>slush fund for states to do what they wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 8>In our own state, we literally had people called diversion specialists,

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<v Speaker 8>and it was their.

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<v Speaker 6>Job to convince.

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<v Speaker 8>You when you showed up pregnant and one baby on

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<v Speaker 8>one arm and the other at your feet, that you

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<v Speaker 8>didn't need welfare funds, and all of that profit could

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<v Speaker 8>be used to pay bonuses. I even had an amendment

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<v Speaker 8>that was directed at some of the vendors who administered

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<v Speaker 8>welfare to say.

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<v Speaker 6>You can't earn more than the governor of the state.

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<v Speaker 8>Because of these salaries were so lucrative. So surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 8>here we are, what twenty eight years later, discovering the

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<v Speaker 8>fraud and waste and abuse in this program. We have

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<v Speaker 8>the same level of poverty we have, you know, eighty

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<v Speaker 8>percent of the people who qualified, people who live in

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<v Speaker 8>deep deep, deep poverty, not getting the benefits people in

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<v Speaker 8>Mississippi getting What did you say, mister Dorr two hundred

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<v Speaker 8>and thirty six dollars a month in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 8>that that that's the truth. These data are not updated.

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<v Speaker 8>It's not true. I just want to go on to

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<v Speaker 8>talk about some other things that I saw on the report.

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<v Speaker 8>You say that that. Oh and also some of your

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<v Speaker 8>data the six hundred industries that's in Maine. So I

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<v Speaker 8>want to congratulate you with whatever you did in Maine.

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<v Speaker 8>Whatever happened in Maine didn't happen Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 3>So just so okay.

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<v Speaker 6>So what you see is Brett Farb, a former All

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<v Speaker 6>star NFL quarterback for the Green Bay Packers, who found

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<v Speaker 6>himself embroiled in a huge scandal in Mississippi. Mississippi is

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<v Speaker 6>accused of misallocating ninety four million dollars in TANNE funds. Again,

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<v Speaker 6>that's the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. It is

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<v Speaker 6>a block grant program that exists all throughout the country.

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<v Speaker 6>There is a lot of waste, fraud and abuse, as

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<v Speaker 6>you just heard Congresswoman when Moore talking about in this

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<v Speaker 6>particular program with Brett Farvre, he was working with a nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 6>Some states utilize nonprofits to allocate these funds through varying programs,

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<v Speaker 6>varying families who need them, and for the most part,

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<v Speaker 6>the families that need the resources the most don't actually

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<v Speaker 6>see these resources. So Brett Farr, for example, his accues

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<v Speaker 6>of receiving one point one million dollars in speaking fees

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<v Speaker 6>from Tannet funds and also helping to broker a five

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<v Speaker 6>million dollar volleyball stadium to the University of Southern Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 6>where his daughter attends. These are just some of the

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<v Speaker 6>ways in which these resources have been used or misused.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think what makes it egregious is yesterday. This

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<v Speaker 6>is particularly for you yesterday what you see from the headlines.

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<v Speaker 6>And I know by the time this podcast will be

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<v Speaker 6>two day so from Tuesday, the headlines are the next

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<v Speaker 6>day that Brett Favre tells this committee that he is

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<v Speaker 6>suffering from Parkinson's because there was also a business who

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<v Speaker 6>he helped get resources to in the millions that is

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<v Speaker 6>supposed to help players who have experienced concussions. He uses

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<v Speaker 6>this moment to disclose to the public that he's been

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<v Speaker 6>diagnosed with Parkinson's. On the other side of giving millions

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<v Speaker 6>of dollars to tan Of funds to this business. The

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<v Speaker 6>woman that helped to get the resources to this company

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<v Speaker 6>has now pled guilty. Her son has pled guilty. There's

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<v Speaker 6>a civil lawsuit in Mississippi with with more than twenty

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<v Speaker 6>defendants for their role in misallocating tant Of funds to

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<v Speaker 6>everyone except for the people who need them most. So

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<v Speaker 6>that is what this is all about. It is infuriating,

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<v Speaker 6>especially when we talk about this handout concept. The people

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<v Speaker 6>who need handouts are really hand ups, don't get them

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<v Speaker 6>because they're busy patting the pockets of folks who run

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<v Speaker 6>these organizations and are ensuring that the folks who do

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<v Speaker 6>need assistants, who are needed families never see the resources.

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<v Speaker 6>So Brett Favre, I am so sorry about your diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 6>I really am, But that does not excuse you from

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<v Speaker 6>what you knew when you look at these text messages

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<v Speaker 6>that I know that we're gonna put up on the screen.

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<v Speaker 6>But for those of you who are listening, he says

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<v Speaker 6>things like if I get these resources, will people find out?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 6>He says, is the money I was paid one hundred

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<v Speaker 6>percent legal for the radio commercials. We didn't even talk

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<v Speaker 6>about those, and then she tells him yes. On another message,

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<v Speaker 6>he says, I can have my CPA talk with you

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<v Speaker 6>and get a better understanding of this and go from there.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe the university will figure out some things as well,

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<v Speaker 6>as long as we can use the money any way

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<v Speaker 6>we choose some how will the public perception be that

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<v Speaker 6>I became a spokesperson for various state funded shelters, schools, homes,

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<v Speaker 6>et cetera, and was compensated with state money or can

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<v Speaker 6>we keep this confidential? This does not sound like someone

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<v Speaker 6>who says in his testimony that he did not know.

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<v Speaker 1>He let me just add to that. So this company

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<v Speaker 1>that you're talking about where he funneled two point one

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, to be exact, is run by Jason van Landingham.

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<v Speaker 1>So that two point one million dollars that he funneled

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<v Speaker 1>to him. Jason pleaded guilty to wirefraud. This was in July,

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<v Speaker 1>admitting to using those funds to pay off gambling and

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<v Speaker 1>personal debts. Brett farre In the one point one million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars you referenced, Angela, those were for speeches that he never.

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<v Speaker 6>Gave, allegedly allegedly because he's saying he made the speeches,

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<v Speaker 6>so we don't want to be caught up in the

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<v Speaker 6>same defamation.

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<v Speaker 1>Allegedly that he according to the reporting, right, he never

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<v Speaker 1>gave them, but he says allegedly. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>point out here because why this matters to me. My

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<v Speaker 1>mother's family is from Mississippi. A lot of folks, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you all know the Great Migration, A lot of us

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<v Speaker 1>have roots in Mississippi. Mississippi is a challenge. It is

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<v Speaker 1>the state with the highest number of black folks there

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<v Speaker 1>and they are in the bottom ten percent of poverty

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to this country. There's not a single

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<v Speaker 1>black statewide elected official in Mississippi, despite having the highest

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<v Speaker 1>population there. The racism is literally written into the state's

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<v Speaker 1>constitution in Mississippi. Let me just tell you a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about the folks in Mississippi. Then this is welfare

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<v Speaker 1>essentially what we're talking Tana funds are another word for

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<v Speaker 1>it will be welfare. Mississippi in twenty sixteen approved just

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<v Speaker 1>one point five percent of applicants who are applying for

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<v Speaker 1>these funds. That's according to reporting from Mississippi today, just

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<v Speaker 1>five out of eight hundred and twenty four applicants were approved.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all during the time when Brett Favre was

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<v Speaker 1>stealing millions among other people. After the reporting came out

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<v Speaker 1>about this, Mississippi inexplicably started approving more people, still not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty eighteen, this is at the height of the scandal,

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi spent one hundred and thirteen million dollars in federal

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<v Speaker 1>funds for TANA funds. This was over its allotment of

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<v Speaker 1>eighty six point five million dollars of unspent funds. Just

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of that cash went to needy families. That

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<v Speaker 1>left over one hundred million dollars on the table for

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<v Speaker 1>them to do essentially what they wanted to do. This

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<v Speaker 1>was under Republican Governor Phil Bryant at the time. His

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<v Speaker 1>office oversaw the Welfare Department and their goals. So, like

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<v Speaker 1>Angela said, state and nonprofits used tens of millions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in these federal funds as a playground and did

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much whatever they wanted to do. They purchased lavish homes,

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<v Speaker 1>they gave money to their friends and families. They propped

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<v Speaker 1>up programs that had little to do with alleviating poverty.

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<v Speaker 1>Millions also went to other purposes, including other pro football

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<v Speaker 1>players who have yet to be named, wrestlers, lobbyists, expensive

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<v Speaker 1>pr campaigns, conservative radio talk shows. The Mississippi Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Human Services still pushes out these funds, and it's really

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<v Speaker 1>very little oversight. And so there are real names and

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<v Speaker 1>faces and consequences to what Brett Favre did. Now, why

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<v Speaker 1>I got this information, Angela, is because this morning. I

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<v Speaker 1>read the Times every day, and I read the Times,

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<v Speaker 1>and you would think by reading the article about it,

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<v Speaker 1>that Brett Farr was on Capitol Hill to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>his Parkinson's diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 6>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no mention, no mention of the people of Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no reference of how impoverished the state is.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no demographic breakdown on who was a applying

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<v Speaker 1>for these funds overwhelmingly black folks, who was applying for

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<v Speaker 1>these funds and who was being denied also a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of poor white folks in Mississippi. I might add, so

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that we are playing a violin for this

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<v Speaker 1>man for stealing millions of dollars, and the media took

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<v Speaker 1>that and said, we will add, we will sing your

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<v Speaker 1>songs of sorrow with you and completely bypass the impoverished

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<v Speaker 1>people and Andrew, you know a lot about this, because

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about this as if they don't deserve a

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<v Speaker 1>song of sympathy, as if they are not the main

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<v Speaker 1>point of this story. I find it disgusting and yet

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<v Speaker 1>again another failure of the media who would rather center

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<v Speaker 1>conservative white folks at the literal cost of our lives

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<v Speaker 1>and our livelihoods when it comes to black folks.

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<v Speaker 5>Total, total, abject failure by the media in complicity, by

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<v Speaker 5>the way, because at this stage, when the controversy was

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<v Speaker 5>first uncovered, you know, Brett fav was all.

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<v Speaker 3>In the middle of it.

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<v Speaker 5>We saw messages come out, we saw his complicity and

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<v Speaker 5>cooperate with it, and so it isn't as if the

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<v Speaker 5>media had no clue what he was doing on Capitol Hill,

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<v Speaker 5>what he was there to testify about, so on and

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<v Speaker 5>so forth. I won't name the source, I mean the

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<v Speaker 5>media organization, but I got a text, you know, a

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<v Speaker 5>message alert in the middle of the day about Brett Farban.

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<v Speaker 5>It was about his diagnosis. And again we can have

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<v Speaker 5>sympathy for his diagnosis and wish him well on his

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<v Speaker 5>journey ahead, but also hold him fully accountable for why

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<v Speaker 5>he was on Capitol Hill in the first place to

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<v Speaker 5>further underscore Angela and Tiffany's points around the real need

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<v Speaker 5>in Mississippi is that Mississippi's poverty rate is twenty percent,

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<v Speaker 5>which is double the national poverty rate. So when we're

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<v Speaker 5>talking about poor, we're talking about the epicenter of poverty

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<v Speaker 5>in this country being at a state where twenty percent

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<v Speaker 5>of the people we're out of ten people, right, two

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<v Speaker 5>of every ten is suffering at or below the poverty level.

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<v Speaker 3>In this state.

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<v Speaker 5>These are resources that are desperately needed to wind up

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<v Speaker 5>in the hands of the people who are struggling to

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<v Speaker 5>keep food on the table and the roof over their head.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's not what it's going to. And the shame

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<v Speaker 5>of it all, the real shame of it all, is

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<v Speaker 5>that these are the same elected officials who have as

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<v Speaker 5>part of their talking points the need for people to

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<v Speaker 5>pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Right, So that's supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to apply to working poor people in your state, but

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't apply to the corporations and the moneyed interest

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<v Speaker 5>and the former athletes whose children are at your state's

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<v Speaker 5>schools who need a new volleyball course or some new turf.

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<v Speaker 5>Added to this, that and the third is shameful because

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<v Speaker 5>what Republicans know, and I have to call them what

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<v Speaker 5>they are because they're the ones who manufacture these talking points.

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<v Speaker 3>What they are is they're hypocrites of the greatest order.

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<v Speaker 5>It is not that they don't believe in handouts or

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<v Speaker 5>hand ups, it's just that they only believe in those

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<v Speaker 5>things when it comes to other white folks and white

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<v Speaker 5>people's companies and their white constituency who are by the way, not.

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<v Speaker 3>Poor, but the ones who are well healed, well mented.

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<v Speaker 5>Or in gambling debt right, who have the luxury to

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<v Speaker 5>be in gambling a debt. So this is embarrassing for

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<v Speaker 5>the state at a whole new level, except they'll take

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<v Speaker 5>no embarrassment at all. And I'm confused about what the

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<v Speaker 5>change is going to be because I was a local

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<v Speaker 5>as a former person mented in government through.

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<v Speaker 3>The local level.

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<v Speaker 5>I know that there's something called categorical grants which could

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<v Speaker 5>have gone directly to the cities, to the counties where

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<v Speaker 5>poverty is the greatest, where there could have been much

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<v Speaker 5>more how do you say, specific oversight by the local communities.

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<v Speaker 3>But they didn't come down.

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<v Speaker 5>To Mississippi that way, and they don't come to the

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<v Speaker 5>other states that way they're coming into these states to

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<v Speaker 5>these block grants where universally we have seen abuse not

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<v Speaker 5>just in this not just in this area, but across

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<v Speaker 5>the board. When you send a big old chunk of

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<v Speaker 5>money and you say to the state that this is

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<v Speaker 5>intended for this purpose, and the state undoubted figures out

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<v Speaker 5>a way to undermine the system, to undermine its intentional goal,

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<v Speaker 5>to undermine.

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<v Speaker 3>Those policies that they disagree with.

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<v Speaker 5>Why would you send to Florida and all these other

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<v Speaker 5>states money for uh, the Obamacare Universal Care and then

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<v Speaker 5>allow them to redivert that money, reallocate that money, or

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<v Speaker 5>reduce the state's commitment in this area, supplant it with

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<v Speaker 5>the federal government's committed commitment. So you don't get any

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<v Speaker 5>increase in resourcing at all. All you got was a

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<v Speaker 5>plug and play. You got You got them using federal

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<v Speaker 5>money UH and relieving state money and then not increasing

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<v Speaker 5>the real need, not really not increasing the the financial

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<v Speaker 5>support into the areas that it's needed. I would just

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<v Speaker 5>say Congress needs to take a really good hard look

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<v Speaker 5>at itself. They are the ones that created these categories

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<v Speaker 5>of granted and I would I would charge them to

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<v Speaker 5>look at ways in which they can get the resources

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<v Speaker 5>to the people who need them the most. And I

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<v Speaker 5>know that we got to go to break, so I'll

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<v Speaker 5>stop there.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Well, on the other side, ahead, no, i'd say

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<v Speaker 6>if I was going to say too. On the other side,

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<v Speaker 6>there's another little twist in this story that I think

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<v Speaker 6>we need to get to. That is it demonstrates a

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<v Speaker 6>failure of the courts and media combined.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, that is a perfect segue into the death

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<v Speaker 1>penalty that I want to talk about too, the failure

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<v Speaker 1>of the courts and media combined. So right after this break,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll pick it up.

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<v Speaker 6>So as you can see, there are so much there's

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<v Speaker 6>so much passion around this topic, and I think living

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<v Speaker 6>in our black bodies in this country, you constantly are

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<v Speaker 6>seeing the lack of justice. We're not asking to be

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<v Speaker 6>able to cheat, We're asking for you to be able

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<v Speaker 6>to play fair, and that is beyond the pale. So again,

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<v Speaker 6>Brett Favre at this hearing says he's showing up because

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<v Speaker 6>he doesn't want to see any more abuse when he's

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<v Speaker 6>at the center of the abuse. He did pay back

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<v Speaker 6>one point one million dollars in the speaking fees, but

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<v Speaker 6>he was asked to also pay two hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 6>eight thousand dollars in interest, and he did not do that.

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<v Speaker 6>Now here's the twist I wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>He refused.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I wanted. Here's the twist I wanted to I

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to throw out there for y'all. An Wolf, who

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<v Speaker 6>is the Politzer Prize winning journalist who broke this story,

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<v Speaker 6>is now facing jail time. Tiff let me tell you why.

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<v Speaker 6>The defamation case that that she's at the center of

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<v Speaker 6>is requiring through the courts, that she turns over all

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<v Speaker 6>of her sources that enabled her to be able to

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<v Speaker 6>break this story to begin with. Now they've been able

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<v Speaker 6>to do the money trial that I mean, they could

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<v Speaker 6>trace all of the steps. Whether Brett farre says he

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<v Speaker 6>knew or did not know, it is indeed factual that

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<v Speaker 6>this money came from Tanef. It was redirected money from Tanef.

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<v Speaker 6>So the fact that she's now in the center of

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<v Speaker 6>this defamation case being asked to turn over our sources

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<v Speaker 6>we know is crossing a red line for journalists.

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<v Speaker 1>Turning over your source concept is crossing a constitutional the

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<v Speaker 1>rest but that is constitutionally protected right. It is freedom

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<v Speaker 1>of the press in the First Amendment, case like this

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<v Speaker 1>could go all the way to the Supreme Court, which

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<v Speaker 1>who knows that that's helpful because that's a Republican funded

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<v Speaker 1>place where they legislate from from the highest court.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's and Angela, you've already pointed out the receipts

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<v Speaker 5>are clear. They're clear that there's no need that you're

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<v Speaker 5>not uncovering sources so that you can get to what

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<v Speaker 5>is the source of the information, right they're uncovering sources.

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<v Speaker 3>For retribution, for payback. Yes, for you don't get away.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't get to get.

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<v Speaker 5>Away with telling on us and not paying some kind

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<v Speaker 5>of of of of costs for having done so. It's

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<v Speaker 5>clear retribution. They're not trying to establish an order or

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<v Speaker 5>a line of facts right here. They're not trying to

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<v Speaker 5>get to the point. The point is the cruelty of it, well,

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<v Speaker 5>the point the person.

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<v Speaker 6>The point also is what Tiff raised, which is the

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<v Speaker 6>fact that this has now gone to the miss Ssissippi

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<v Speaker 6>Supreme Court. The editor in chief of Mississippi Today, which

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<v Speaker 6>is of course where this story initially broke, says, with

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<v Speaker 6>our appeal, the stakes are incredibly high. The Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 6>can guarantee these critical rights for the first time in

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<v Speaker 6>our state's history, or it could establish a dangerous precedent

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<v Speaker 6>for Mississippi journalists and the public at large by tossing

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<v Speaker 6>aside an essential First Amendment protection. So I just want

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<v Speaker 6>to tell y'all. So, the dude who broke the law

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<v Speaker 6>not once, not twice, but three times by receiving these

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<v Speaker 6>tanted funds to do things he knows weren't okay, which

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<v Speaker 6>is why he has that in his text messages, is

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<v Speaker 6>not on the hook. But he's getting deservedly so sympathy

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<v Speaker 6>for Parkinson's but not even being forced to answer questions

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<v Speaker 6>about what he said in the hearing yesterday, the places

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<v Speaker 6>where he perjured himself, where he's directly in contradiction with

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<v Speaker 6>things that the facts tell us, and the person who

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<v Speaker 6>broke the story is now facing jail time because she's

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<v Speaker 6>refusing to comply with this court order as she should.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm just I mean, I got to give the

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<v Speaker 5>guy because a lot of times celebrities don't even always

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<v Speaker 5>know the details. But what his text messages show us

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<v Speaker 5>is that he's clear that he's on the wrong side

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<v Speaker 5>of them, clear about what the lines are that he

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<v Speaker 5>shouldn't be crossing, which is why you asked for competens exactly,

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<v Speaker 5>which is why you asked for these things to be

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<v Speaker 5>done under the table, off the books.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't ask for that when stuff is on the

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<v Speaker 3>up and up. We all know that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, when we're asked to give a speech somewhere, I

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<v Speaker 5>am not asking whether it's on the up and up.

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<v Speaker 5>I assume that this is all being done in line

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<v Speaker 5>with what is allowable to the source of funding, of which.

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<v Speaker 3>I would get what's ethical, we get paid, what's what's ethical,

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<v Speaker 3>but what's also what's it right? Otherwise you don't do it.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to call this poor Brett Farv. I know

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<v Speaker 6>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want him getting that.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to call it poor Brett Favre. And there

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<v Speaker 6>is there is I want to make because I want

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<v Speaker 6>the people to see that this man benefited from resources

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<v Speaker 6>designed for poor people, and he took advantage of it,

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<v Speaker 6>and he did not need it. The fact that he

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<v Speaker 6>was able to pay back the money demonstrates that he

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<v Speaker 6>did not need the money. So you taking food out

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<v Speaker 6>of poor children's mouths, You taking money out of the

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<v Speaker 6>hands of people who desperately need these resources to feed

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<v Speaker 6>these kids. That y'all's asses keep making them have.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is. I think he gave the money

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<v Speaker 3>back because it was ill gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a pr camp.

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<v Speaker 5>The reason why I don't think we ought to name

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<v Speaker 5>it after him is one because we are a center

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<v Speaker 5>of the dude who.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's clibait, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, forget the clip.

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<v Speaker 5>Well it may be, but you know what the truth

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<v Speaker 5>is is that the shortcut is going to work. The

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<v Speaker 5>shortcut about this story is is that you can get

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<v Speaker 5>to the you can get to what it's about by

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<v Speaker 5>knowing that he's got Parkinson's not what the substance of

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<v Speaker 5>the matter is, but the shortcut that was just created

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<v Speaker 5>by him yesterday, him and his.

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<v Speaker 1>The media and the media.

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<v Speaker 3>That the best way to bury this thing is to

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<v Speaker 3>break other news.

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<v Speaker 1>What about all right, we'll talk about the latter. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to shift us to a somber story that is

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<v Speaker 1>relevant in the news this week. Yeah, it is so

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<v Speaker 1>Marcellus Williams. If you've not heard this name, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit about who this is. He's was

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>fifty five years old. He was convicted in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight killing of a well known journalist in Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Louis Her name was Alicia Gale. She was a newspaper reporter.

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<v Speaker 1>She was stabbed to death during a home invasion robbery

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<v Speaker 1>and her suburban home. Now, I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>why this conviction was faulty. Marcellus Williams was scheduled to

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<v Speaker 1>be executed. He fought for years, for decades to stay

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<v Speaker 1>the execution. He was successful twice. He was not successful

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Sadly, Here's why this is a challenge. The

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor's office in this case admitted that it was wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and it fought to overturn the death sentence. There had

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<v Speaker 1>been several violations of Marcellus's constitutional rights during the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>at trial. In the filing, we've talked about Wesley Bell before,

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<v Speaker 1>who is recently won his Democratic primary. He was now

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor at this time. He wasn't the person who

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<v Speaker 1>bought the case, but he inherited the case. He asserted

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<v Speaker 1>that the defense lawyer had not presented mitigating evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>could have spared mister Williams the death penalty. The prosecutor

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<v Speaker 1>who had the case at the time had improperly rejected

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<v Speaker 1>potential black jurors, resulting with the jury of eleven white people.

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<v Speaker 1>And one black member. Now let me just tell you

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>why this prosecutor rejected some of the jurors. One in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutor who then was Keith Lerner. He testified that

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<v Speaker 1>in one case he excluded a prospective black juror because

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<v Speaker 1>he closely resembled Marcellus Williams. He's quoted as saying they

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<v Speaker 1>look like they could be brothers. Perhaps in his mind,

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>we all look alike. The prosecutor detailed multiple issues with

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<v Speaker 1>credibility of two key witnesses against Marcellus Williams, and noted

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<v Speaker 1>that mister Williams was not the source of footprints or

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<v Speaker 1>heirs found at the crime scene, nor was any if

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<v Speaker 1>his DNA found on the murder weapon. So he received

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<v Speaker 1>a state of execution in twenty fifteen and twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>but neither of these led to his conviction being thrown out.

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<v Speaker 1>The family, also, by the way, did not want to

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<v Speaker 1>see him executed. The state Attorney General, Republican Andrew Bailey,

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<v Speaker 1>who's facing a primary election right now Saint Louis, asked

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<v Speaker 1>the state Supreme Court to set an execution date for

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<v Speaker 1>Marcellus Williams. While in prison, mister Williams became a Muslim,

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<v Speaker 1>he took the name Khalifa. He appeared in court recently

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<v Speaker 1>with the white skull cap. You guys have seen those

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<v Speaker 1>to signify his Islamic devotion. And I want you all

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<v Speaker 1>to hear what his son said, uh, just days before

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<v Speaker 1>his execution, in an act of remaining hopeful. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll close us out on the other.

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<v Speaker 4>Side, like I hope a miracle happens. You know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. I hope It's all I wish is to

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<v Speaker 4>free my father from abundance, enslavement and spirit's life.

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<v Speaker 5>What would you say to the Supreme Court if you

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<v Speaker 5>had the opportunity to testify on behalf of your dad.

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<v Speaker 4>I would try to make them see that this is

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<v Speaker 4>a murder on their behalf and this is wrong, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>And I believe my father is truly innocent and they

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<v Speaker 4>need to take a closer look.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you allowed yourself to even get to Tuesday right now?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I already put it inside my body that I

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<v Speaker 4>would be a witness to it, to the execution. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>standing firm and show my Daddy's on the loan if

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<v Speaker 4>that's what it comes to, and I'm ready for it.

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<v Speaker 4>My mind sat my spirit strong, like I'm doing this

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<v Speaker 4>for my dad. It's bigger than me.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to read exactly what happened. This is according

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<v Speaker 1>to the at As Williams lay awaiting execution, he appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to converse with the spiritual advisor is seated next to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Williams wiggled his feet underneath a white sheet that was

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<v Speaker 1>pulled up to his neck and moved his head slightly

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<v Speaker 1>while his spiritual advisor continued to talk to him. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Williams's test heaved about a half dozen times, and he

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<v Speaker 1>showed no further movement. He was pronounced dead at six '

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<v Speaker 1>ten pm at a state prison in Voluntarry, the Missouri

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<v Speaker 1>who's run by the Missouri Department of Corrections.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, this is not the party of pro life, This

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<v Speaker 1>is not the party of law and order. They are

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<v Speaker 1>liars and they are lynchers. When we look at death penalties,

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<v Speaker 1>the way that people are allowed to bear witness. The

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>family did not appear there. We've talked on this show

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>about how these executions go, how they're botched, how sometimes

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>they're torture because we don't know how to kill people properly,

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>so we don't know if they suffer. They certainly have

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to when we talked about the number of black

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<v Speaker 1>people who are on death row. So this week in America,

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<v Speaker 1>a man was lynched. And I have to say, as

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 1>black people who are so excited to carry one of

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<v Speaker 1>our own to the White House, to ascend to the

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>highest post and government, it is quite a paradox for

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<v Speaker 1>us to be celebratory of this moment when state sanctioned

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>violence and murder persist. I don't know how to feel

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<v Speaker 1>good about how we treat our people in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do know I have a lot of fight

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>left in me. When I hear the these kind of stories,

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<v Speaker 1>it is just heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I to consider that the population in Saint Louis is

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<v Speaker 5>almost twenty percent black and that only one of twelve

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<v Speaker 5>jurors was black. Is malpracticed by the state by who

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 5>brought the charge. This is a sentence that it sounds

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<v Speaker 5>like if you hear from the prosecutor's office that there

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 5>was a violation of rights in this process, actually multiple

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 5>violations of rights in this of the accused rights.

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<v Speaker 3>You now have.

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<v Speaker 5>Sort of a backtracking on the fact pattern. Now you

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<v Speaker 5>have forensics that don't put him at the scene don't

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 5>have any portion of it. Again, think about forensics. We're

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 5>going back now, you know, forty years and using forensics

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 5>to tie individuals to crime scenes in ways that could

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<v Speaker 5>not have been done before. And in this case it's

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 5>the exact opposite. You can't you're not able to tie

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 5>the individual who you've accused to the crime scene. Now,

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 5>if this much malpractice had taken place, one that they

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 5>should have vacated this sentence long ago.

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 3>And if they thought that that that that there was a.

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<v Speaker 5>Chance that they had the wrong person on trial here

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<v Speaker 5>and worse over schedule for the death penalty, that that that,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, common sense might prevail. And it just

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 5>in this case, it just again goes to show how

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<v Speaker 5>value lists our black bodies are in the eyes of

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<v Speaker 5>so many and too many places. And I find it

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<v Speaker 5>especially upsetting that it oftentimes happens in places where the

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<v Speaker 5>black population is a significant force to be dealt with

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<v Speaker 5>by way of by share population. Miss we just talked

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<v Speaker 5>about a story in Mississippi, the Black and State nckdamn country,

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.360
<v Speaker 5>where where the black population is a significant force to

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<v Speaker 5>be dealt with. Yet these kinds of injustices tend to happen,

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<v Speaker 5>and I can't help but think, what a shot over

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.240
<v Speaker 5>the bow. This is supposed to be almost every time

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<v Speaker 5>to us, because they don't go in places where we're

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 5>not part of the population, where we're minuscule, but in

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 5>places where we're significant parts of the population, where the

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 5>offense just seems that much.

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<v Speaker 3>Greater, and yet no justice can be found.

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<v Speaker 1>We barely make up fourteen percent of the population, we

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<v Speaker 1>make up forty one percent of the population on death row.

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<v Speaker 6>And the thing is, in this particular case, we see

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<v Speaker 6>something that we hear about happening all the time informant testimony.

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<v Speaker 6>According to the Center on Wrongful Convictions, false testimony from

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<v Speaker 6>incentivized witnesses is the leading cause of wrongful convictions, with

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 6>informant testimony present in forty nine point five percent of

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 6>wrongful conviction since the mid seventies. Like that is that

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 6>is astronomical, especially the fact that that that that could

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<v Speaker 6>even be the case that you could rely on informant

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<v Speaker 6>testimony to even give someone the death penalty is beyond

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<v Speaker 6>the pail.

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<v Speaker 3>No, their testimony, whereas leverage not.

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 6>Yes, they are incentivized, incentivized informant.

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<v Speaker 1>And according to the Times, his girlfriend at the time

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<v Speaker 1>was one of those people.

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<v Speaker 6>She has the record.

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<v Speaker 1>Precisely, but also have.

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<v Speaker 5>Consequence on the other side of their testimony. Right when

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<v Speaker 5>you talk about incentivized, just so folks know it is,

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 5>it is you have something to gain by saying what

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 5>we need you to say against this other person, and

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 5>if you don't deliver it that way, you are not

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<v Speaker 5>of value and therefore you're gonna be penalized too. And

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<v Speaker 5>my whole point around, and I know it's y'alls too,

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<v Speaker 5>I believe that the whole point around having diverse juries

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 5>is not so that you have somebody who looks like

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 5>you and therefore is going to decide in your interest. No,

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<v Speaker 5>it's so that you've got somebody that might resemble a

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.319
<v Speaker 5>lived experience that you might have, who may see this

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 5>thing differently, who may questions that folks who don't have

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 5>that same lived experience will never ask. It'll never come

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 5>to them because it never occurs to come to them.

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 5>It never occurs to ask the question differently, to to

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<v Speaker 5>inquire around a set of facts that are different than

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 5>what your own lived experience has have been. So we

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 5>don't conclude that having black jurors mean that you're going

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<v Speaker 5>to get off on something that you've done not at all.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, I think when you have a diverse jury,

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<v Speaker 5>it's that you get diverse experiences, diverse perspectives, diverse lived

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:35.279
<v Speaker 5>experiences that see the questions and the answers differently than.

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<v Speaker 3>How they get boilerplate delivered.

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<v Speaker 5>I know it to be true because I've sat on

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<v Speaker 5>boards where had we not asked the question, the question

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 5>would never have been asked. And oftentimes the question being

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<v Speaker 5>asked becomes a difference between what whether something goes forward

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<v Speaker 5>or it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I just I want to say our thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>are with the family of Marcellus Williams, the man who

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<v Speaker 1>is arguing, and the many like him, and the many

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<v Speaker 1>who are still sitting on death row as we speak,

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<v Speaker 1>because according to the reported evidence by the New York

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Times and others, it certainly points to doubt. And that

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<v Speaker 1>is the whole point of a jury, that you of

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<v Speaker 1>a trial, that you are convicted beyond a reasonable doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>People keep saying shadow of a doubt, but legally it

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<v Speaker 1>is beyond a reasonable doubt, and there are multiple reasonable

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 1>doubts here. Our families also go out to our hearts,

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<v Speaker 1>also go out to Leicia Gale who was the victim here,

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>because at this point I would say, on my own

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:47.760
<v Speaker 1>opinion is that it's quite possible that her killer remains

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<v Speaker 1>at large or unpunished. It's been a little somber. We

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>do have some viewer questions, and Andrew, I know that

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 1>you have a topic. So what do you guys think

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<v Speaker 1>if we play in the question now and then we'll

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>answer it on the other side. Okay, so give us

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<v Speaker 1>give us a question.

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<v Speaker 10>Nick, Good morning, Native Lampid. The name is Devin from Houston, Texas.

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<v Speaker 10>First off, I really love the pod, love the work

0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 10>you all are doing. Keep up the good work. One

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<v Speaker 10>of the questions that I had for you all is

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<v Speaker 10>shortly after Vice President Harris became the Democratic nominee, or

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<v Speaker 10>even before that, some Republicans came out and fully endorsed

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 10>her as their presidential candidate. I feel like that might

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 10>cause some split ticket issues down the line, because there

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 10>are some down ballot Republicans who still who still fully

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:49.760
<v Speaker 10>support the former president's platform. So, first off, first question

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 10>is why isn't more attention being given to those candidates

0:39:54.040 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 10>and highlighting where they might diverge from Vice President Harris's

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 10>platform and could potentially put you know, be be ahead

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 10>when to her efforts. Second question is is there anything

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<v Speaker 10>that can be done from a from a political strategy

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 10>standpoint to offset that?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, all right, We're going to answer that question on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of this rank.

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<v Speaker 10>M.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we just heard a question from a viewer before,

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<v Speaker 5>right before we took a took a break, and were

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<v Speaker 5>appreciative of you, Devin for one year support and listenership

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 5>support of the show. And I think where I want

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 5>to make sure we get his question clearly, and so

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<v Speaker 5>I want to ask y'all because I may be a

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<v Speaker 5>little confused. I understand what ballot split sort of split

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.360
<v Speaker 5>that ballot voting is, which is where you may choose

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:58.800
<v Speaker 5>a Democrat on one and then flip over and do

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 5>a Republican on another race. But the accountability piece that

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<v Speaker 5>he's referring to, who does he want us to hold

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<v Speaker 5>to account of these Republicans who are running for public

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<v Speaker 5>office who are saying that they're with Kamala on one

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<v Speaker 5>end to get the benefit of a split ticket voting

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<v Speaker 5>or what I could be complicating in some ways that

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<v Speaker 5>aren't necessary to what.

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<v Speaker 1>I understood his question. Devin, apologies if I get it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I think he was trying to ask is, first,

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<v Speaker 1>just because you're voting for Kamala Harris, you are still

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. Not always is the enemy of my enemy

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 1>my friend. If you're voting for her because you don't

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 1>like Donald Trump, but you're still going to vote down

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>ballot for Republican senators who are going to do everything

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>they can to block her agenda, then you are a problem.

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And how do we navigate that? And why isn't there

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<v Speaker 1>more coverage and discussion around that. That's what I understated

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<v Speaker 1>it to me, And I just want to say a

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<v Speaker 1>quick example of that could potentially be in Texas, where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Angela Colin Allred is running for Senate in

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<v Speaker 1>a really tight race in Texas, and there are Republicans

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 1>who have come out and publicly endorsed Congressman Colin Already

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 1>format That's who it was. That is who played for

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the Tennessee Titans. I knew I read something about somebody.

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 6>Was happening. I never thought about it, thought man, So.

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to tell y'all knowing anyway, the Tennessee Titans,

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and now he is in Congress and he's running the

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 1>unseen Ted Cruise and multiple Democrats, but there have been

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 1>some Republicans, uh, to endorse him. There have been some

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Democrats to endorse ted Cruise. But that is a perfect example. Yeah, yes, yeah,

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:42.840
<v Speaker 1>that is a mess. Call him, I know, let me

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.760
<v Speaker 1>find it, Let me find it, let me find it. Oh,

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:46.799
<v Speaker 1>we come back to it.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm a I'm gonna tap in here while you find that.

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<v Speaker 6>I just want to say quickly, I don't I'm not

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<v Speaker 6>personally aware. Doesn't mean just like in this instance that

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 6>that my personal awareness means that it's not happening. But

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not aware of any current sitting Republican elected official

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 6>who has endorsed Kamala Harris. I am aware of Trump staffers,

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 6>former Trump Cabinet officials, former national security advisors from multiple administrations,

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:24.760
<v Speaker 6>former economic advisors for multiple administrations endorsing the Harris Walls ticket.

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<v Speaker 6>That said, it could very well be that those folks

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 6>too voter split ticket. It very well could be. I

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 6>think that you calling it out in the question and

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 6>the way that you just did, and Tiff and andrews

0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 6>answers are the kinds of things that we should be

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 6>doing to calling it out. That's great that you're promoting

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:50.320
<v Speaker 6>and endorsing this particular agenda and platform. You do understand

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:53.480
<v Speaker 6>how politics works, and that does mean that people need

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.800
<v Speaker 6>to be and lockstep with them in getting that agenda passed.

0:43:56.880 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 6>I'm already worried because I do know of one Democrat

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:03.439
<v Speaker 6>who's saying that he will not endorse Kamla Heyres. I'll

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 6>say Democrat, and that is Joe Manchin, who said that

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:08.240
<v Speaker 6>he can't support her, and she ought to be ashamed

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 6>of herself because she wants to throw out the filibuster

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 6>to codify Roe. Wow, Joe Manchin, if there was ever

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 6>a time to throw out the damned philibuster, you would

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 6>think it'd be then. Anyway, Tip, it looks like you found.

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<v Speaker 1>Your Democrat, I mean Joe, but I thought he officially

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Party independent.

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<v Speaker 6>I understand that. But as far as I know.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the man.

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<v Speaker 5>The man is a legend in his own mind. He

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 5>also contemplated running for president against if y'all remember when

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 5>he when when when Joe Biden vacated originally, So, first

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 5>of all, there is a sitting Republicans who have endorsed her.

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 5>That the Republican John John Giles Arizona is the sitting

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 5>mayor a sitting mayor in Arizona who has endorsed her.

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<v Speaker 5>But your point is well taken, Angela, which is if

0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 5>you for Republicans who have thing to potentially lose, like

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 5>their elections or re elections, they have not by and

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:07.840
<v Speaker 5>large gone to the record to say that they support

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<v Speaker 5>Kamala Harris. I don't want that, by any means to

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<v Speaker 5>undermine the bravity of bravery of those who have come out,

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 5>including you know, somebody who I detested and really still do,

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 5>mister Inron himself, you know, coming forward and throwing his

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:27.799
<v Speaker 5>support but you know, behind her.

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<v Speaker 3>But the truth is is there are going to be

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 3>ballot splitters. We've seen that.

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 5>We saw that in Georgia where two Democrats got elected

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 5>to the US Senate yet a Republican governor got re

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:44.399
<v Speaker 5>elected to the governorship. We've seen it, frankly, in many

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 5>places around the country. And I think the only way

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.880
<v Speaker 5>we can extract, I think something from this is to

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.320
<v Speaker 5>be as loud and proud as we can by saying

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:56.920
<v Speaker 5>that Donald Trump in and of himself is not the

0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.480
<v Speaker 5>only problem. He is a problem. He may be at

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.520
<v Speaker 5>the apex of the problem, but if he's got a

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 5>locked step us Senate behind him, someone who is willing

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 5>to carry out mass theft against the American people by

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:13.359
<v Speaker 5>not appointing or confirming democratic appointees by Democratic presidents who

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 5>sit in office right now, who put people up for

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.880
<v Speaker 5>the courts because they don't believe a Democrat how to

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 5>be able to appoint justices or judges to the federal bench.

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 3>That's what's happening right now. Let's be clear about it.

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 11>We have Republicans who are holding hostage, who are acting

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 11>in contrary and contradiction of the contra Constitution by staving

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 11>off a democratic prejudicibility to appoint the individuals of.

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 3>His choice to offices that he has.

0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 5>Total autonomy, with the exception of advising and consent from

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 5>the US Senate to a point, he's the only one

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 5>who can make those appointments.

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 6>I think.

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:49.479
<v Speaker 1>But I agree with all that I think his point,

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.200
<v Speaker 1>which is one we all echo. It's kind of like

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 1>how people are always like big up in the Lincoln project, right,

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, the wing of never Trumpers who are like,

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 1>we don't rock with him, But then when you look,

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, but y'all were part of the problem

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:06.319
<v Speaker 1>that helped him get there. Like y'all are cannibalizing. So

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.240
<v Speaker 1>if if this is where we are, like, we're watching

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:13.520
<v Speaker 1>y'all after we get a president Harris right, because I

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:18.000
<v Speaker 1>don't really trust you like we allies for now watching right,

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 1>So all these never trumpets, It's like, just remember this

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 1>because you all were exactly you were. You supported the

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Tea Party, you supported the first Make America Great Again candidate.

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 1>We ain't forgot, we know and we ain't no.

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:33.680
<v Speaker 5>Fools, Tiffany, as you know are the ones who helped

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:36.600
<v Speaker 5>to engineer Bush into office and before him breaking and

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 5>so on.

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 1>And Nixon and all of them. I wanted to say,

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the Democrat who's supporting Ted Cruz, just so y'all know

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 1>in Texas, do the right thing in Texas. Make Texas

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 1>purple for crying out loud is kim Ogg. She's the

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Democratic district attorney for Harris County. But and this is

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 1>according to the New York Times. On the other side

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:58.840
<v Speaker 1>of that, uh, Liz Cheney has endorsed Colin Allred, so

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>split party. And then when it comes to Joe Manton,

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 1>he according to the NBC News this is in May,

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:08.720
<v Speaker 1>uh he said that he is leaving the Democratic Party

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:11.479
<v Speaker 1>and registering as an independent, and that at the time

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 1>was raising speculation about whether he may run for another

0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Senate term or if he's eyeing a run for governor

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:21.960
<v Speaker 1>in the fall. So, anyway, Joe Manton, can I got

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a question? I got I got a question for you, Andrew. Andrew,

0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>what since you're dressed like Philip Michael Thomas today, No,

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>let me let him be geeked O my god, Okay, well,

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>my computer is running a little right here too, exactly. Anyway,

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 1>what do you think because I have some thoughts, but

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I know you want to talk about it, But what

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 1>do you think about these celebrities.

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Weighing in being asked to weigh in? Being asked Oftentimes?

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 5>It's not that they are They're not necessarily coming to

0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.960
<v Speaker 5>the table trying to get their opinion political opinions out there,

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 5>but are oftentimes asked and Tiff, actually, this really falls

0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 5>better in your court because you're often one who reminds

0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 5>us that why is it that the media is going

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:18.680
<v Speaker 5>to the athlete or the actor or actress to talk

0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:22.319
<v Speaker 5>about politics one Likewise, they don't do the same oftentimes

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.839
<v Speaker 5>with white actors or white athletes or activists asking them

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.879
<v Speaker 5>to opine on major political questions. And by the way,

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 5>this is to say that actors, actresses and athletes don't

0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:34.399
<v Speaker 5>have opinions about these things that that may be well

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:39.480
<v Speaker 5>integedis absolutely they should. But but this all came up obviously,

0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 5>and we've we visited this on episodes before, but this

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 5>all came up in light of Janet Jackson being or

0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:49.479
<v Speaker 5>essentially saying that she had heard that Kamala Harris wasn't

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 5>wasn't black and maybe her dad was white, and you

0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 5>know a lot of voices have descended upon her on

0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 5>that note. I got my own private thoughts about how

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 5>I felt about it. But we're at the stage now

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 5>where I think it's important to lift this beyond just

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 5>being about her and how it is that we treat

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:12.000
<v Speaker 5>celebrity when it comes to engaging in politics and whether

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 5>or not should we really be going to them asking

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:18.360
<v Speaker 5>them about their opinion about wars here and there and

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:21.919
<v Speaker 5>candidates here and there that they that's as Whoopy said,

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:23.919
<v Speaker 5>and I think we ought to roll Whoopies comments here.

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<v Speaker 3>This ain't what they do. It's not what they do.

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:27.880
<v Speaker 1>A superstar.

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<v Speaker 9>Jenn Jackson just did a wide ranging interview with British

0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 9>newspaper The Guardian, but most of the focus is on

0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 9>when she was asked her thoughts on VP Kamala Harris

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:44.319
<v Speaker 9>possibly become the first black female president she said. She

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:48.320
<v Speaker 9>answered by saying that she had heard that Harris's father

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 9>was white, which we all know is false. Janet Jackson

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:56.160
<v Speaker 9>is not a political animal. She does She's a musician.

0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 9>Her life is doing this, and she's warning her brother.

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<v Speaker 9>Sometimes I've said stuff and you know I was wrong.

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:08.279
<v Speaker 9>We all do it, so okay, a little grace for.

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 5>The girl, and y'all, I mean, I think we should

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 5>take those comments, you know, in the heart that they

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 5>are intended, but also to ask the question of whether

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<v Speaker 5>or not we ought to be holding celebrities to the

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.760
<v Speaker 5>same standards that we might hold other politicians or public leaders,

0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 5>public figures when it comes to, frankly, talking about things

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 5>that are not in their bellywick that are not frankly,

0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:33.840
<v Speaker 5>the things that they get up and look at the

0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:36.080
<v Speaker 5>news and follow and so on and so forth, like

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:39.719
<v Speaker 5>we might. And moreover, if they can be infected with

0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:43.319
<v Speaker 5>missus information, who will we to blame regular citizen Joe

0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 5>who starts, you know, retorting comments that sound ape shit

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:51.920
<v Speaker 5>crazy because they're being directly filtered toward them so that

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:58.880
<v Speaker 5>they can repeat it. I'm curious if y'all think this

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.600
<v Speaker 5>is a double standard. No standard should be.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to be clear because I definitely don't

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:07.440
<v Speaker 1>want anyone to mistake any of the three of us.

0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you all to think any of us

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.000
<v Speaker 1>are saying, to Andrew's point that they don't have a

0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:14.040
<v Speaker 1>right to speak. Like you are a tax paying citizen.

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.880
<v Speaker 1>You have every right to use your platform how you

0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>want to do it, and if you choose to weigh

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>in on politics, great, you know, do it. I do

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 1>think when you have large platforms, there comes with it

0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:29.279
<v Speaker 1>a responsibility to be somewhat informed, somewhat well read on

0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 1>the subject you're talking about. When it falls short of that,

0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I do think it's irresponsible to come out there and

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:38.200
<v Speaker 1>say something that's demonstrably false or googleably false. I think

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 1>we have to share responsibly. I don't think it's responsible

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to share conspiracy theories or say things you know. And

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 1>just a reminder to celebrities, like shutting up is free,

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 1>Like you don't even have to weigh in on if

0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:51.800
<v Speaker 1>somebody asks you a question you don't know, it's probably

0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 1>best to just say, you know, I don't really know

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.760
<v Speaker 1>about things like that, so almost keep quiet.

0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:56.399
<v Speaker 6>Now.

0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to say when we look at some of

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:05.839
<v Speaker 1>the celebrity engagement here, to me, the responsibility does fall

0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:11.160
<v Speaker 1>to the media. A large following does not a political

0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:15.319
<v Speaker 1>operative make Okay. I do not want to hear from

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 1>people like it is ridiculous to me, and Angela knows.

0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:20.839
<v Speaker 1>I go off on this all the time. You will

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:24.480
<v Speaker 1>see people on these news platforms, okay, on a news show,

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 1>and they are chirned as strategists. And I want y'all

0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to start googling some of these people and tell me

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:35.480
<v Speaker 1>what campaign they ever strategized on. They are not strategists.

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 1>If they work for some who gives a crap election

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago for the school board that counts, it

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:44.440
<v Speaker 1>does not make you a Democratic strategist or a Republican

0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:49.399
<v Speaker 1>strategist for that matter. Talking on television is not a job,

0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:53.839
<v Speaker 1>you know. It is in conjunction with none of us

0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.440
<v Speaker 1>ever just popped up out here like a fetus, and

0:53:56.600 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 1>oh here we are. We have opinions. We all had

0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 1>decades of work that led to an informed opinion, informed thought,

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:04.439
<v Speaker 1>informed work.

0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry I'll just complicated, because don't We often go

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 5>after political you know, celebrities to weigh in, Hey will

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:12.240
<v Speaker 5>you endorse?

0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:13.279
<v Speaker 3>Will you do this?

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.839
<v Speaker 1>We don't. But there are some people, Well you're saying, yes,

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:20.479
<v Speaker 1>I do not, We don't. Your campaign may have camp

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:24.080
<v Speaker 1>but as campaigns yes, As a journalist, no, I don't care.

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:26.920
<v Speaker 1>And even when I did do, anytime I worked on campaign,

0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 1>it was from a comm's perspective. I what the data

0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 1>shows is it really does not matter when celebrities endorse

0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 1>or not. That does not if there's not any proof more.

0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 1>But if you're not a national campaign, yes, it can

0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:45.080
<v Speaker 1>bring national attention. What matters more than a celebrity endorsement

0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:49.000
<v Speaker 1>are those local community validators. That's what matters. And I

0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:52.320
<v Speaker 1>also think it's a difference between a campaign going after

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:56.239
<v Speaker 1>a celebrity then it is a news outlet platforming a

0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:59.120
<v Speaker 1>celebrity and presenting propping them up like they have any

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.640
<v Speaker 1>idea what the hell they're talking about. You can ask

0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:03.799
<v Speaker 1>them about their platform, you can ask them about their show.

0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:05.040
<v Speaker 1>You can ask them how they built it. You can

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 1>ask them what are you hearing from people who who

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:09.919
<v Speaker 1>follow you, who watch you, who like you? Asking them

0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:12.120
<v Speaker 1>what does the party need to do for these things.

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I just think that's a disservice to the audience and

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:16.800
<v Speaker 1>it helps to dumb down the American electorate. But Angela,

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:18.600
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like you might disagree.

0:55:18.960 --> 0:55:21.240
<v Speaker 6>I just I feel very conflicted here for a number

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:23.320
<v Speaker 6>of reasons. I think, first, I just want to point

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.879
<v Speaker 6>out I'm not going to whoopyes thing, because I think

0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 6>that that's of no consequence here. I think what I

0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:33.880
<v Speaker 6>really want to tap into is what the article was about.

0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:37.520
<v Speaker 6>So Janet Jackson was getting profiled in The Guardian. The

0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:39.759
<v Speaker 6>name of the piece is I shouldn't have listened to

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:43.399
<v Speaker 6>those around me Janet Jackson on Michael motherhood and how

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:46.759
<v Speaker 6>she's taking back control. When you read that headline, you

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 6>do not, and really the entire article, you do not

0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:53.840
<v Speaker 6>expect that Janet Jackson is going to somehow be used

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 6>in a Donald Trump ad misinformation for why Kamala Harris

0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:00.640
<v Speaker 6>is not a black woman. The journalist even says in

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.120
<v Speaker 6>this piece, and I'm doing this because there are a

0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 6>lot of people who are seeing that one quote, but

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:07.080
<v Speaker 6>it's completely out of context. Out of context or not,

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 6>she is wrong. That is true. So it is on

0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:13.040
<v Speaker 6>that record she's saying about joining voices in protests to

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:16.480
<v Speaker 6>social injustice and pushing toward a world rid of color lines.

0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 6>I wonder where she stands on the forthcoming election, after all,

0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:21.840
<v Speaker 6>I say, America could be on the verge of voting

0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 6>in its first black female president, Kamala Harris. That's when

0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:28.440
<v Speaker 6>Jana Jackson Pop said, well, well, you know what, I heard

0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:30.160
<v Speaker 6>what they said. I haven't watched the news in a

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.040
<v Speaker 6>few days. All of that, She's not really being propped

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:35.719
<v Speaker 6>up as a political strategist here, or as someone who

0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.759
<v Speaker 6>should be speaking, you know, for democracy and protecting it.

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.359
<v Speaker 6>As someone who no longer even lives here. She's being

0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:43.840
<v Speaker 6>asked in the historical nature of this, just as so

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:47.400
<v Speaker 6>many other people did when we saw every single magazine

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:51.920
<v Speaker 6>covering Barack Obama, every single you know, rapper, rock star,

0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:57.080
<v Speaker 6>country music artist, Bruce Springsteen, whomever, talking about the importance

0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:59.480
<v Speaker 6>of Barack Obama's election in two thousand and eight. Right,

0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:01.120
<v Speaker 6>those things were all welcome.

0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:01.359
<v Speaker 5>Then.

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:04.839
<v Speaker 6>They were welcomed by magazines who sold more because they

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:09.120
<v Speaker 6>were included. They were welcomed certainly by Barack Obama's campaign,

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.759
<v Speaker 6>which I would argue was the first time in a

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:16.520
<v Speaker 6>presidential where they had a full on surrogate operation because

0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:20.680
<v Speaker 6>of how important celebrity voices were in that context. That said,

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 6>I think it is just as critical to know. If

0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:27.880
<v Speaker 6>we know that celebrity voices could be influential as Taylor

0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:31.040
<v Speaker 6>Swift's endorsement was the night of the debate, literally changing

0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:33.640
<v Speaker 6>the news cycle, then we also know that they could

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.960
<v Speaker 6>be equally harmful, and they should be held to account

0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:39.240
<v Speaker 6>for the things they do that are harmful. I have

0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:43.680
<v Speaker 6>not liked the very personal attacks that have been lobbed

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:47.800
<v Speaker 6>against her for saying something ignorant, right, And I understand,

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 6>like people can joke about it and all of that,

0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:53.880
<v Speaker 6>but you're not shaming her into truth. You're getting her

0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:56.520
<v Speaker 6>to be more cocooned in the more cocluon than she

0:57:56.520 --> 0:57:59.200
<v Speaker 6>already was, which who even knew that was possible. I

0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:03.240
<v Speaker 6>think that jan Jackson should be made to apologize for

0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:05.720
<v Speaker 6>the misinformation. It sounds like she's not. It sounds like

0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:08.000
<v Speaker 6>she's doubling down in it when you look at her

0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:11.920
<v Speaker 6>manager brother's Instagram account. There's no wonder why I'll let

0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.440
<v Speaker 6>you guys go do that for yourselves. But it is

0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 6>remarkably frustrating because on one hand, we'll say, these people

0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:20.000
<v Speaker 6>really do matter, and on the other hand we'll be like, well,

0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:22.240
<v Speaker 6>who are they? They don't know nothing. It's like we

0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:24.439
<v Speaker 6>got to kind of find a place, And I think

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:27.880
<v Speaker 6>I would argue the place is they do matter, and

0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:30.680
<v Speaker 6>if they don't know anything, it is the obligation of

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 6>those who would teach us about sports, who would teach

0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:36.360
<v Speaker 6>us about entertainment, who when we leave our or distance

0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:39.200
<v Speaker 6>ourselves a little more from our normal strategy jobs and

0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:42.520
<v Speaker 6>go into TV and media and into speeches and into

0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:46.400
<v Speaker 6>you know, influencer deals or endorsement deals. Those say, people

0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:48.640
<v Speaker 6>who coach us up on those things, we need to

0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.480
<v Speaker 6>be coaching them up about how politics works in facts

0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:54.720
<v Speaker 6>when they come into play. That's my WoT.

0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:56.800
<v Speaker 2>For me.

0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:59.480
<v Speaker 5>The context of why she did the interview was not

0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 5>important to me because at the point that she decided

0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:05.840
<v Speaker 5>she was going to contradict the asker of the question,

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:09.160
<v Speaker 5>the journalists and saying how will you feel about the

0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 5>first black woman president, and her interjecting a set of facts,

0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:15.280
<v Speaker 5>not real facts, a set of information that was not

0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:18.360
<v Speaker 5>introduced through the question by saying oh, no, no, no,

0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:21.439
<v Speaker 5>I heard that that that she ain't that That's when

0:59:21.560 --> 0:59:24.920
<v Speaker 5>it turns for me because you're not responding to the

0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:28.040
<v Speaker 5>question that was asked of you, which is by a journalist,

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:30.360
<v Speaker 5>how do you feel about the first black woman president?

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:32.640
<v Speaker 5>You've now said, oh no, no, let me give you news.

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:36.360
<v Speaker 5>They say she not black. So then it's like now

0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:40.280
<v Speaker 5>we're now we're trifling into what is the irresponsible? But

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:42.880
<v Speaker 5>the reason why I tried to lift it to you know,

0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:46.440
<v Speaker 5>sort of what the what the the power is of

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:50.360
<v Speaker 5>misinformation that if you can be Janet Jackson believably by

0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:53.560
<v Speaker 5>most of us, to be surrounded by handlers, people who

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 5>shuffle and maybe publicists who keep her, you know, to

0:59:57.080 --> 0:59:59.680
<v Speaker 5>date on things that that if you can be, in

0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:04.600
<v Speaker 5>fact to buy misinformation, what guard do what safeguards exist

1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:07.720
<v Speaker 5>for the average citizen as to what they are?

1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:09.720
<v Speaker 3>You know, what standard we then treat them to.

1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:11.800
<v Speaker 5>And the truth is I think about average since I

1:00:11.800 --> 1:00:14.560
<v Speaker 5>mean one, the woman has been vice president for almost

1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:18.120
<v Speaker 5>four years. She's not a new entity onto the onto

1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:19.320
<v Speaker 5>the onto the stage.

1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:22.400
<v Speaker 6>But some people I think it is a point.

1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Of privilege for years in the public space.

1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:27.920
<v Speaker 6>But it hasn't been that sure, Andrew, But it hasn't

1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.440
<v Speaker 6>been that public. We have to acknowledge the fact that

1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:33.640
<v Speaker 6>as much work as Kamala Harris has done, there was

1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:35.920
<v Speaker 6>not a lot of coverage of her until.

1:00:35.720 --> 1:00:36.600
<v Speaker 3>I agree that.

1:00:36.600 --> 1:00:38.640
<v Speaker 6>That's all I'm saying. So we're expecting people to go

1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:40.440
<v Speaker 6>and dig I think that's a point of privilege we

1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:42.840
<v Speaker 6>have because of our connection to this work.

1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:46.160
<v Speaker 5>I am not saying I don't expect people to introduce

1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:48.840
<v Speaker 5>facts that are not fast.

1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:52.080
<v Speaker 6>Do that because they consistently do it, And I do expect,

1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:54.280
<v Speaker 6>maybe this is where I have too many high hopes

1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:58.600
<v Speaker 6>over media. I expect that the moment somebody says something

1:00:58.680 --> 1:01:00.959
<v Speaker 6>like this, you see it going off the rails, that's

1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:02.400
<v Speaker 6>not the point of the piece, Like why are you

1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:04.080
<v Speaker 6>the print? Why print that?

1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:08.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, but that is suggested. No, but this is the.

1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:11.720
<v Speaker 6>Same publication that is like, oh there's rampant misinformation. There's

1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:14.640
<v Speaker 6>rampid misinformation. If you go and then publish it, you

1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:18.200
<v Speaker 6>know that's the piece that's gonna be clipped in the SoundBite.

1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:21.400
<v Speaker 6>You're now feeding the very monster that you rail against

1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:23.880
<v Speaker 6>that you raised money for The Guardian. And I'm not

1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:26.880
<v Speaker 6>saying I'm not pointing blame at one person or one entity.

1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:30.320
<v Speaker 6>Janet Jackson is at fault Randy Jackson is at fault.

1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:33.200
<v Speaker 6>The people questioning her blackness are at fault. The Guardian

1:01:33.280 --> 1:01:35.320
<v Speaker 6>for printing it, I think are at fault. They did

1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:37.320
<v Speaker 6>not need the traffic in this they did.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is where I would say, like, that's the

1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:44.640
<v Speaker 1>hard thing I think with newsrooms, because it's all, you know, subjective.

1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:45.520
<v Speaker 6>Sure, you know, like you.

1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Can't write like you you saying that you should not

1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:51.360
<v Speaker 1>have run it. You know, other people can say, well, no,

1:01:51.400 --> 1:01:55.880
<v Speaker 1>that's newsworthy. She said something, I'm kind of with you, Angela, Like,

1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I would have if I were

1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the reporter in that case, I've probably would not have

1:02:00.640 --> 1:02:02.200
<v Speaker 1>run it. I don't know that I would fault somebody

1:02:02.200 --> 1:02:06.480
<v Speaker 1>else for making a different choice. But I personally and professionally,

1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that was irresponsible, especially when you could correct

1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:11.080
<v Speaker 1>her and keep.

1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:14.760
<v Speaker 6>Credit to the journalists credit. She did try to correct her,

1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:16.760
<v Speaker 6>and then they and it looks like there was a

1:02:16.800 --> 1:02:18.240
<v Speaker 6>back and forth for some times she printed.

1:02:18.320 --> 1:02:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, correct her and not run it, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would say, right, I get it, and and

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<v Speaker 1>viewers and readers and all that matters. But the difference

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<v Speaker 1>in because Angela, you were talking about oh, well, Obama

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<v Speaker 1>came and you know, people were weighing in on that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very different for what I'm talking about. When

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<v Speaker 1>I say, yeah, I would, I would think if I

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<v Speaker 1>were a reporter covering entertainment. Yes, I want to ask,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a woman, how does it feel to see, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman, a sense of this? What are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>You're a black person, how does it feel to see this?

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<v Speaker 1>You can ask questions like that. To me, the problem

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<v Speaker 1>comes when you say, what does the Democratic Party need

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing when it comes to reaching a broader

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<v Speaker 1>coalition of voters? Taylor Swift, Wayne, what are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on that? Why are we ever asking Taylor Swift about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is not her area of expertise. That is a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is they would not ask Taylors with that.

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<v Speaker 1>They only do that when it comes to black folks.

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<v Speaker 1>They disproportionately do that when it comes to black folks.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know the difference between and Isabella or Wilkinson

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<v Speaker 1>and a Janet Jackson. To be honest, they think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all the same thing. And I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>not only disrespectful, it is irrespond to hear that point

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<v Speaker 1>that these people don't have a right to weigh in,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's irresponding for the media to elevate that.

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<v Speaker 6>I hear that point, Tiff and Andrew, I want you

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<v Speaker 6>to jump in. I just have one little thing, and

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<v Speaker 6>I would say this here too. For Andrew's campaign, one

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<v Speaker 6>of the things that I thought was really important was

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<v Speaker 6>that we got a firm that had run ads and

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<v Speaker 6>run successful corporate campaigns to give Andrew a different type

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<v Speaker 6>of appeal, because we know that there are certain products

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<v Speaker 6>that do better at appealing to broad swaths of audiences.

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<v Speaker 6>So that was not a typical political firm, and so

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<v Speaker 6>we're asking them, Hey, what do you think we can

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<v Speaker 6>do to ensure broad appeal of this candidate and present

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<v Speaker 6>him differently. I think there's no difference in asking someone

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<v Speaker 6>with expertise in entertainment, whether they've cut ads or movies,

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<v Speaker 6>if they do trailers or whatever, how can we present

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<v Speaker 6>this information in a different way. We shouted out Gary

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<v Speaker 6>Chambers on this program for presenting a political ad in

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<v Speaker 6>a different way, and I think when we get those

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<v Speaker 6>other voices, it's to add perspective, not because they've had

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<v Speaker 6>fifty years of expertise in the political space.

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<v Speaker 1>Like James you understand the difference. You're talking about a campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about it.

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<v Speaker 6>What I guess. If the newsroom is asking a question

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<v Speaker 6>because they're curious about how a candidate could break through,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm still not even faulting them for that. Now if

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<v Speaker 6>they use that to say, oh, well, Mike Tyson said

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<v Speaker 6>that this is everything. Sometimes I'm trying to acknowledge that's

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<v Speaker 6>the point of and you're inside your point that I

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<v Speaker 6>agree with. I am saying there's still spaciousness for allowing

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<v Speaker 6>diverse voices to say say, these are some places where

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<v Speaker 6>what that I know could work if they use them

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<v Speaker 6>on me, or if they took this approach, or if

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<v Speaker 6>they took this approach for this zip code where I'm from.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think there's anything wrong with that for diverse opinions.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they I think there are there's an embarrassment

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<v Speaker 1>of riches of people who actually do that work, who

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<v Speaker 1>are experts. I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 5>I get you, I get your point, Tiff, and I

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<v Speaker 5>buy a lawge degree. I will say, I am never

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<v Speaker 5>going to expect a newsroom to do the editing when

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<v Speaker 5>they can quite as easily go out and ask anybody

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<v Speaker 5>they want who they think might be a newsmaker that

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<v Speaker 5>might give them a bigger break, that might make their

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<v Speaker 5>story that much bigger. I don't expect that they're ever

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<v Speaker 5>going to turn away from that person, should they be

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<v Speaker 5>willing to answer the question and put it out there,

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<v Speaker 5>and especially if their answer creates a whole new conversation

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<v Speaker 5>in and of itself. And that's what happened here. This

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<v Speaker 5>was not a gotcha question to jan Jackson. This was

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<v Speaker 5>not a you've got.

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<v Speaker 3>Well cinched in politics to know one way or another.

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<v Speaker 12>This was like.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is one of the problems.

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<v Speaker 5>This is where identify the problem for her, which is

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<v Speaker 5>she tried to having not watch news in the past

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<v Speaker 5>couple of days, to introduce some facts a couple no

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<v Speaker 5>no for her, I mean introduced information. You're right, You're

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<v Speaker 5>absolutely right, Angela. She attempted to introduce information that she

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<v Speaker 5>thought was new and different than what the report of.

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<v Speaker 3>Herself was asking.

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<v Speaker 5>And so when she took that liberty, when she took

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<v Speaker 5>that liberty, she opened up.

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<v Speaker 3>A different can.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's why you know again, I think everybody is

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<v Speaker 5>everybody can make mistakes. But I'll tell you this much,

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<v Speaker 5>these artists know how to stay out of trouble. They

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<v Speaker 5>spent a lifetime staying out of trouble, and so you

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<v Speaker 5>walk headfirst into it or trying to at least make

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<v Speaker 5>at least cover over it, at least when.

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<v Speaker 3>We should take a break. Actually, you know what, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>take us to the break.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to finish my point, which is simply to

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<v Speaker 5>say my point is now done, and we can go

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<v Speaker 5>to a break. But it seems like a break is

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<v Speaker 5>only possible when I'm in the middle of saying.

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<v Speaker 8>And.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a break. Take up your point on the other side, Andrew.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome, Welcome back, everybody. We are coming to the end

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<v Speaker 5>of the episode that I thought end did.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to do it doing this today, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to start. We're going to start the end by

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<v Speaker 3>listening to one more of your question.

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<v Speaker 12>Hi, everyone is as deeply. I grew up in Central Ohio.

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<v Speaker 12>Now I live in Dallas, Texas, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 12>ask if y'all had been watching Fight Night on Hulu.

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<v Speaker 12>It's a show about Atlanta in the sixties and kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of wearing getting all.

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<v Speaker 12>What the show is called Black Vegas as a really

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<v Speaker 12>awesome mostly black cast and I was wondering if you

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<v Speaker 12>guys you know, had seen it, where your thoughts are

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<v Speaker 12>and what you may think it's irrelevance could be in

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<v Speaker 12>pop culture in terms of just seeing black stories told

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<v Speaker 12>in a more mainstream way. Thanks for listening and chatting.

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<v Speaker 12>And I also want to shout out a great little

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<v Speaker 12>small business. This is Christy Rice. She's got these great

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<v Speaker 12>shoes shirts that say wear your shoes ladies. There's a

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<v Speaker 12>glass everywhere. Highly recommend, but thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>We want one. We wanted t shirts.

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<v Speaker 6>Also, Will Back, we're running some money because I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know why you got this girl to sending this question

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<v Speaker 6>in the show, like you didn't have to pay for advertising.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who else is aby on that iHeart?

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<v Speaker 6>But some money to Andrew. This is a great pot

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<v Speaker 6>to talk about misinformation because that show is on Peacock.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would say, I've been watching this show. It

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<v Speaker 1>is so good. I talked to y'all about it when

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the Vineyard and we did a Q

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<v Speaker 1>and A with the cast. It is really good. And

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<v Speaker 1>it started out as a podcast on iHeart. Will Packer

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<v Speaker 1>is the executive producer on it along with Will here.

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<v Speaker 1>Will iHeart is also an executive producer on it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's really have you all been watching?

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<v Speaker 6>I need to start. I need to start.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you have time because there I thought I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to binge the whole thing, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I got to the last episode and new episodes are

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<v Speaker 1>dropped every week, so I didn't. I thought I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to watch it in one sitting, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like five episodes in now. New episodes dropped every Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Absince found out. But it is really good. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Taraji Henson is amazing, Kevin Hart is amazing, Terrence Howard,

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Jackson, h Chloe from from Chloe and Bailey. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really good, and it's basically about this heist Kelly, Sorry, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>moving fast, I just wear okay, thank you. That's so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's basically some dudes planned to rob a party

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<v Speaker 1>the night Muhammed Ali was fighting in Atlanta. That is

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<v Speaker 1>where the story begins. And it is really good. But

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<v Speaker 1>that is a free ass commercial for Andrew Fellow.

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<v Speaker 6>You a slick will packer.

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<v Speaker 1>We love you will, We love you know you, said

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<v Speaker 1>Angela up during the DNC. We loved y'all up too.

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<v Speaker 1>There are supposed to be your surprise. He did. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm mad about it. I wanted my surprise anyway. That

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<v Speaker 1>was because people, you know, people were asking who was

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<v Speaker 1>the surprise. Angela never said it was Will Packer. He

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<v Speaker 1>was well, and he came like five seconds after we

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<v Speaker 1>got off.

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<v Speaker 6>Five minutes too late.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, about five minutes, five minutes, that's true. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>what should we talk about before we get to CCA's

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<v Speaker 1>what we talk about on the mini pot. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>finally Andrew's on top. I know Andrew, y'all. Andrew got

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<v Speaker 1>an attitude right now? What you want to talk about?

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<v Speaker 5>Andrew out of his preparation for category three hurricane hitting

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<v Speaker 5>you directly.

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<v Speaker 6>We should have you have a lot, right, he should

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<v Speaker 6>have an attitude. He's trying to just say his family.

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<v Speaker 6>He's got got a Superman shirt underneath this tight white button.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well we can't tell because it's but.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll never see it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I tested campaign finance. I'd be up for that

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<v Speaker 1>against you know. Okay, all right, skip it. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do that. I mean, maybe like that one that

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<v Speaker 1>you said, Angela, it was, oh you were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't really quite flush it out, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like one of our more like.

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<v Speaker 6>Spirits we need we need Jesus today too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you walked us through one. It was do you remember, Andrew?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I know, I know what it was. It was about.

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<v Speaker 6>We had this conversation. I think often, like the three

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<v Speaker 6>of us, we are all the responsible ones in our family,

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<v Speaker 6>shade anybody else in the family. But in doing that, Oh,

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<v Speaker 6>Andrew's on a mission today, y'all. He is burning as

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<v Speaker 6>he goes. He's just burning it all down. But you know,

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<v Speaker 6>there's this idea that when you do carry that, that

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<v Speaker 6>you have a lot to fix. You know, you're constantly fixing,

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<v Speaker 6>You're constantly problem solving, You're constantly doing. And Tiff was like,

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<v Speaker 6>have you ever asked people, oh, you know, if they

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<v Speaker 6>want your help, if they want to just vent, or

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<v Speaker 6>how they want you to engage? And I'm like, no, bish,

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<v Speaker 6>when I hear a problem, I'm jumping. It happened this morning.

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<v Speaker 6>I won't even say what it was, but happened this morning.

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<v Speaker 6>I was off to the races and nobody'd ask for

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<v Speaker 6>my help. And so I think there is something there

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<v Speaker 6>for us in surrender, in control. You're just talking about

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<v Speaker 6>miss Jackson. If you're nasty in learning how to show

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<v Speaker 6>up and where the trauma might be in people not

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<v Speaker 6>maybe showing up for us, and so we're trying to

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<v Speaker 6>always talk about it. Okay, maybe I like that as

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<v Speaker 6>a mini but.

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<v Speaker 3>I can rock with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Andrew, you're going.

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<v Speaker 6>To start as soon as you many can only take

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<v Speaker 6>breaks when you're talking. You're gonna start stop telling that

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<v Speaker 6>we all ignoreak serious, Okay? Sometimes this ship fil a buster.

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<v Speaker 6>You have made your point, and you were making a

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<v Speaker 6>second or a third or ninth point, and we just

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<v Speaker 6>got to go to break.

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<v Speaker 1>They literally putting up a science say let's go to break.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's let's break. Now it's okay.

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<v Speaker 6>Can I just say break? You break your glasses for

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<v Speaker 6>our viewers.

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<v Speaker 1>Our mini pods drop every Monday, so please tune into

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<v Speaker 1>this mini pod because it's not going to be totally political,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I do think there's a political element to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love this topic and I'm looking forward to talk.

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<v Speaker 6>Andrew's going to start case he doesn't think that he

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<v Speaker 6>gets to talk about how and.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you start us off with your CTA.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, start us off, Andrew, Please, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Like one plan.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're in Florida and any of the forty or

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<v Speaker 5>sold states. I hope you are making preparation. This is Thursday.

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<v Speaker 5>Impacts expected today and uh be safe. Everybody be safe.

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<v Speaker 5>I like you.

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<v Speaker 6>Mine is to please look up the names of other

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<v Speaker 6>people who are similarly situated to Marcellus Williams TIFFs, tears,

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<v Speaker 6>Andrew's tears, our heart Regie moments today should not be

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<v Speaker 6>in vain. We should remember the names of these folks,

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<v Speaker 6>and we should motivate and work to support them long

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<v Speaker 6>before we're requesting a stay of execution. What is our

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<v Speaker 6>responsibility to these folks who are on death row and

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<v Speaker 6>should not be We shouldn't. I don't think we should

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<v Speaker 6>even have death row, which is probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Another mini pod but chet project.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yes, thank you AG. That's such a good shout

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<v Speaker 6>and shout out to Barry Sheck. We love you, Barry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Barry Shack. And can we thumbtact that because I

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<v Speaker 1>like the death row, so I think we should. Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're listening, make a note. We want to add definity.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be quick with mine. My CTA is President Fay.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the youngest elected leader in Africa. He is

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<v Speaker 1>the newly elected president of Senegal, and I was reading

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<v Speaker 1>a profile on him. He hasn't done a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Western media, but I was reading a profile on him

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<v Speaker 1>and he said something which I thought was really interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is, by twenty fifty, Africa's population will likely

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<v Speaker 1>be nearly two point five billion, which will account for

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<v Speaker 1>an estimated one of every four people on the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that's a we are the global majority.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that is a really fascinating statistic. But

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<v Speaker 1>he also said something else about just the world on

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<v Speaker 1>how they deal with Africa, and he made the point

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<v Speaker 1>that Africa is hardly responsible for climate change, yet when

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<v Speaker 1>emissions from the developed world causes polar ice caps to

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<v Speaker 1>mel the repercussions are felt on our shores. And he

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<v Speaker 1>railed against the injustice of rich nations continuing to use

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<v Speaker 1>coal while refusing the finance fossil fuel projects and developing

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<v Speaker 1>countries on the continent. So I just, honestly, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>him and thought he was fine, and I read the

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<v Speaker 1>profile and I learned all this stuff and was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>he's forty four, which makes him he is in my

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<v Speaker 1>age range of dating if I.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't know if he wants at the NB anyway, And

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<v Speaker 6>This is what you call a shade field plug. There's

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<v Speaker 6>not a shameless plug about this moment. This is shame.

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<v Speaker 6>I just thrown herself to an African president on the rescue.

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<v Speaker 3>Today. Welcome, What are the takes? How many days did

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<v Speaker 3>the election?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's forty one days to the election.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's forty by the time the.

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<v Speaker 1>Party a forty days to election. Forty days.

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<v Speaker 6>A welcome night in a lifetime before Tip throws herself

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<v Speaker 6>at the mercy of another big guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, y'all.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 13>Thank you for joining the Natives attention of with the

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<v Speaker 13>info and all of the latest regulum and cross connected

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<v Speaker 13>to the statements that you leave on our socials. Thank

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<v Speaker 13>you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice is clear.

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<v Speaker 5>So grateful it took the execute roles.

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<v Speaker 13>Thank you for serve, defend and protect the truth even

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<v Speaker 13>in case.

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