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Speaker 1: Native Lamp Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: All right, d'all, welcome home. It's episode forty two of

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Speaker 1: Native Lamp Pod. So the pod is almost as old

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Speaker 1: as us, you guys, because I can't believe we're already

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Speaker 1: on forty two.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, well I'm older than that.

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Speaker 1: But yes, it's well, we're Angela's elders, but almost as Andrew.

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Speaker 1: You look pretty snazzy and you're Miami Vice.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: I just you know, here's my hurricane outfit in case

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Speaker 5: y'all find me, you know, under a break.

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Speaker 3: Well, we are.

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Speaker 1: Seriously concerned because there is a storm headed your way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are you saying your direct hit here in Tallahassee?

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Speaker 3: Possibly a Cat three, which would be about the strongest

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Speaker 3: storm that we've had here.

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Speaker 5: So I had two hurricanes when I was mayor of Tallahassee,

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Speaker 5: and that was after almost fifty years of no storm.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's thirty years of no storms.

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Speaker 5: And now we've been you know whatever. So I'm actually

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Speaker 5: we get packing the family up and they're trying to

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Speaker 5: get out of here any minute now, and I'll get

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Speaker 5: out when I finished some house preparations.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, thank you for being dedicated to stick around.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, and already right exactly, angel I've already complimented

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Speaker 1: you on your Shreditdnim.

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Speaker 6: I just got thrown around in a garbage disposal, but

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Speaker 6: don't mind me. I just don't think I was gonna

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Speaker 6: wear it. So you know, in Seattle it's get a

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Speaker 6: little colder. So I was like, well, I'm at home,

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Speaker 6: so let me put this on before. This is not

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Speaker 6: in vogue? Is this?

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Speaker 1: It's the first show.

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Speaker 6: I'm in Denham. I don't know what happened to you

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Speaker 6: all since this photo.

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Speaker 3: Shoot right down below. I can't show it right now, but.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, okay, well so draws today to.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I counted. Trust me, I got

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Speaker 1: on dental. I'm somewhere.

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Speaker 6: Let me tell you to don't ever have on dinnim.

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Speaker 6: Tiff By write dinhim on her hands, and I just

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Speaker 6: want y'all to know again for the record, in case

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Speaker 6: came from Tiffany, she is not followed.

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Speaker 1: And only got those boots because Angela had them. I

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Speaker 1: thought they were cute, so then I went and bottom

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Speaker 1: and I probably had worn them since anyway, Angela, what

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Speaker 1: are we or what are you? What are you talking

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Speaker 1: about today?

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Speaker 4: On boy?

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Speaker 6: Well, I want to talk about Brett Farr. Tiff. I

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Speaker 6: know you're a resident sports expert, so you know what

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Speaker 6: NFL team this man's played for.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me just say I know this. Let me

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Speaker 1: say I know this because I was reading an article

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Speaker 1: on my I just landed and on a flight this morning.

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Speaker 1: I was reading the Times and they did a whole

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Speaker 1: article on it, so I know that he played for

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Speaker 1: the Tennessee type Oh right now.

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Speaker 6: About green Baka.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then never mind, I was reading something about somebody

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Speaker 1: who played.

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Speaker 6: We were just sharing to demonstrate for you all is

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Speaker 6: how easy it is for people in influential position to

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Speaker 6: cover the media, uh, to be also swayed by misinformation.

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Speaker 6: That was just.

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Speaker 3: Exactly you're going right up.

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Speaker 6: What I want to talk about? To go up your alley, go,

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Speaker 6: Andrew go.

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Speaker 5: And there's been a lot in the news office about

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Speaker 5: Janet jackson commentary about Kamala Harris, And while that has

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Speaker 5: been interesting, I'm actually much more interested in the angle

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Speaker 5: love why it is that we think celebrities people in

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Speaker 5: the public space are supposed to be educated and aware

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Speaker 5: and knowledgeable about all things politics, and is it right?

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Speaker 3: Is it fair? I love to have that conversation with y'all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. I actually am interested in talking

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Speaker 1: about this Brat Farr thing in Tennessee. Yes, yes, the

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Speaker 1: former Titans player in Tennessee.

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Speaker 6: And it also happens to be something happening in Mississippi.

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Speaker 6: Look up Tanni Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: Now that I am familiar with, so I know you.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts on that. So I'm

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Speaker 1: curious how we're in covering. So my subject is kind

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Speaker 1: but I want to talk about the death penalty in

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Speaker 1: this country. You all have probably seen those posts that

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Speaker 1: a man was lynched today. You saw a lot of

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how we're gonna kick it off first,

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Speaker 1: but let's kick it off. Nonetheless, Welcome home, y'all. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to kick us off because my subject is somber.

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Speaker 3: And I'm on the show.

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Speaker 1: But I think you should not. But see that's somber

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Speaker 1: in a different way. So I think we should end

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Speaker 1: with celebrities. I think Angela, you should kick us off.

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Speaker 6: But that's different. All right, I'm kicking us off. So

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Speaker 6: why don't we do this instead of me kicking you off.

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Speaker 6: Let's go straight to the Ways and Means Committee testimony

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Speaker 6: testimony that Brett Favre gave earlier this week at a

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Speaker 6: hearing about the misuse of TANNIF, which temporary assistance for

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Speaker 6: needy families. All of those dollars being misallocated in several states,

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Speaker 6: and Mississippi is one of them. Brett Farbus found himself

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Speaker 6: in the crosshairs. Let's roll it.

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Speaker 7: Democrats and Republicans should agree. Rampant state misuse of TANNA

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Speaker 7: And I was told Ways and Means Committee was working

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Speaker 7: on this problem. So I was willing to speak to

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Speaker 7: And I urge Congress to put taniff guardrails in place

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Speaker 7: I urge Congress to pass the TANNA reforms included in

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Speaker 7: the Committee member bills, Reforms designed to target funds to

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Speaker 7: those truly most in need, to help low income American

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Speaker 7: find and keep a job, to limit how states can

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Speaker 7: protect tax fair funds from fraud and abuse. And in closing,

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Speaker 7: thank you Chairmans Smith and ranking Member Neil.

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Speaker 6: Now, when you hear Brett Favre here, he sounds like

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Speaker 6: the model citizen. He's using all the right talking points. Waste, fraud,

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Speaker 6: and abuse is something that Democrats and Republicans have agreed

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Speaker 6: Now here's the challenge. There is a lot that was

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Speaker 6: Congressoman Gynmore, who worked on tannef legislation in the state

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Speaker 6: legislature and has certainly worked on it in the House

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Speaker 6: as a single mother, please drow the tape.

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Speaker 8: But I do want to say that I was at.

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Speaker 3: The scene of the crime.

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Speaker 8: When we ended welfare as we knew it in nineteen

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Speaker 9: I was in.

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Speaker 8: Wisconsin, I was a state senator. I had one hundred

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Speaker 8: amendments that would have addressed this problem. And what I

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Speaker 8: am saying to you, I just want to repeat some

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Speaker 8: of the things that have been said here already that

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Speaker 8: this flexibility was deliberate it. Indeed, I agree with mister

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Speaker 8: George's characterization of it is that it literally became a

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Speaker 8: In our own state, we literally had people called diversion specialists,

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Speaker 8: You when you showed up pregnant and one baby on

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Speaker 6: You can't earn more than the governor of the state.

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Speaker 8: Because of these salaries were so lucrative. So surprise, surprise,

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Speaker 8: here we are, what twenty eight years later, discovering the

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Speaker 8: fraud and waste and abuse in this program. We have

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Speaker 8: the same level of poverty we have, you know, eighty

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Speaker 8: percent of the people who qualified, people who live in

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Speaker 8: Mississippi getting What did you say, mister Dorr two hundred

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Speaker 8: that that that's the truth. These data are not updated.

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Speaker 8: It's not true. I just want to go on to

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Speaker 8: talk about some other things that I saw on the report.

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Speaker 8: You say that that. Oh and also some of your

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Speaker 8: data the six hundred industries that's in Maine. So I

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Speaker 8: Whatever happened in Maine didn't happen Mississippi.

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Speaker 3: So just so okay.

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Speaker 6: So what you see is Brett Farb, a former All

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Speaker 6: accused of misallocating ninety four million dollars in TANNE funds. Again,

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Speaker 6: that's the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. It is

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Speaker 6: a block grant program that exists all throughout the country.

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Speaker 6: There is a lot of waste, fraud and abuse, as

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Speaker 6: you just heard Congresswoman when Moore talking about in this

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Speaker 6: Some states utilize nonprofits to allocate these funds through varying programs,

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Speaker 6: see these resources. So Brett Farr, for example, his accues

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Speaker 6: And I think what makes it egregious is yesterday. This

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Speaker 6: And I know by the time this podcast will be

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Speaker 6: two day so from Tuesday, the headlines are the next

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Speaker 6: day that Brett Favre tells this committee that he is

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Speaker 6: suffering from Parkinson's because there was also a business who

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Speaker 6: he helped get resources to in the millions that is

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Speaker 6: supposed to help players who have experienced concussions. He uses

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Speaker 6: this moment to disclose to the public that he's been

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Speaker 6: has now pled guilty. Her son has pled guilty. There's

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Speaker 6: a civil lawsuit in Mississippi with with more than twenty

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Speaker 6: everyone except for the people who need them most. So

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Speaker 6: that is what this is all about. It is infuriating,

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Speaker 6: especially when we talk about this handout concept. The people

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Speaker 6: because they're busy patting the pockets of folks who run

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Speaker 6: So Brett Favre, I am so sorry about your diagnosis.

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Speaker 6: I really am, But that does not excuse you from

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Speaker 6: what you knew when you look at these text messages

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Speaker 6: But for those of you who are listening, he says

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 6: He says, is the money I was paid one hundred

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Speaker 1: Angela said, state and nonprofits used tens of millions of

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Speaker 1: Millions also went to other purposes, including other pro football

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Speaker 1: I got this information, Angela, is because this morning. I

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 1: There was no mention, no mention of the people of Mississippi.

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Speaker 5: Total, total, abject failure by the media in complicity, by

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Speaker 3: In the middle of it.

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Speaker 5: We saw messages come out, we saw his complicity and

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Speaker 5: It was about his diagnosis. And again we can have

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Speaker 3: In this state.

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Speaker 5: These are resources that are desperately needed to wind up

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Speaker 5: But that's not what it's going to. And the shame

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Speaker 5: Added to this, that and the third is shameful because

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Speaker 3: What they are is they're hypocrites of the greatest order.

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Speaker 5: It is not that they don't believe in handouts or

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Speaker 3: Poor, but the ones who are well healed, well mented.

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Speaker 5: Or in gambling debt right, who have the luxury to

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Speaker 3: The local level.

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Speaker 5: I know that there's something called categorical grants which could

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Speaker 3: But they didn't come down.

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Speaker 3: Those policies that they disagree with.

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Speaker 5: Why would you send to Florida and all these other

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, that is a perfect segue into the death

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Speaker 6: So as you can see, there are so much there's

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Speaker 6: Now here's the twist I wanted.

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Speaker 1: He refused.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I wanted. Here's the twist I wanted to I

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Speaker 6: is now facing jail time. Tiff let me tell you why.

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Speaker 6: The defamation case that that she's at the center of

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Speaker 6: So the fact that she's now in the center of

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Speaker 1: Turning over your source concept is crossing a constitutional the

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Speaker 1: rest but that is constitutionally protected right. It is freedom

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Speaker 5: And that's and Angela, you've already pointed out the receipts

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Speaker 5: not uncovering sources so that you can get to what

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Speaker 3: For retribution, for payback. Yes, for you don't get away.

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Speaker 3: You don't get to get.

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Speaker 5: Away with telling on us and not paying some kind

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Speaker 5: of of of of costs for having done so. It's

439
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Speaker 5: clear retribution. They're not trying to establish an order or

440
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Speaker 5: a line of facts right here. They're not trying to

441
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Speaker 5: get to the point. The point is the cruelty of it, well,

442
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Speaker 5: the point the person.

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Speaker 6: The point also is what Tiff raised, which is the

444
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Speaker 6: fact that this has now gone to the miss Ssissippi

445
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Speaker 6: Supreme Court. The editor in chief of Mississippi Today, which

446
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Speaker 6: is of course where this story initially broke, says, with

447
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Speaker 6: our appeal, the stakes are incredibly high. The Supreme Court

448
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 6: can guarantee these critical rights for the first time in

449
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Speaker 6: our state's history, or it could establish a dangerous precedent

450
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Speaker 6: for Mississippi journalists and the public at large by tossing

451
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Speaker 6: aside an essential First Amendment protection. So I just want

452
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Speaker 6: to tell y'all. So, the dude who broke the law

453
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Speaker 6: not once, not twice, but three times by receiving these

454
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Speaker 6: tanted funds to do things he knows weren't okay, which

455
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Speaker 6: is why he has that in his text messages, is

456
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Speaker 6: not on the hook. But he's getting deservedly so sympathy

457
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Speaker 6: for Parkinson's but not even being forced to answer questions

458
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Speaker 6: about what he said in the hearing yesterday, the places

459
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Speaker 6: where he perjured himself, where he's directly in contradiction with

460
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Speaker 6: things that the facts tell us, and the person who

461
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Speaker 6: broke the story is now facing jail time because she's

462
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Speaker 6: refusing to comply with this court order as she should.

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Speaker 5: So I'm just I mean, I got to give the

464
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Speaker 5: guy because a lot of times celebrities don't even always

465
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Speaker 5: know the details. But what his text messages show us

466
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Speaker 5: is that he's clear that he's on the wrong side

467
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Speaker 5: of them, clear about what the lines are that he

468
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Speaker 5: shouldn't be crossing, which is why you asked for competens exactly,

469
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Speaker 5: which is why you asked for these things to be

470
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Speaker 5: done under the table, off the books.

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Speaker 3: You don't ask for that when stuff is on the

472
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Speaker 3: up and up. We all know that.

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Speaker 5: Well, when we're asked to give a speech somewhere, I

474
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Speaker 5: am not asking whether it's on the up and up.

475
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Speaker 5: I assume that this is all being done in line

476
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Speaker 5: with what is allowable to the source of funding, of which.

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Speaker 3: I would get what's ethical, we get paid, what's what's ethical,

478
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Speaker 3: but what's also what's it right? Otherwise you don't do it.

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Speaker 6: I want to call this poor Brett Farv. I know

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't want him getting that.

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Speaker 6: I want to call it poor Brett Favre. And there

483
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Speaker 6: is there is I want to make because I want

484
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Speaker 6: the people to see that this man benefited from resources

485
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Speaker 6: designed for poor people, and he took advantage of it,

486
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Speaker 6: and he did not need it. The fact that he

487
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Speaker 6: was able to pay back the money demonstrates that he

488
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Speaker 6: did not need the money. So you taking food out

489
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Speaker 6: of poor children's mouths, You taking money out of the

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Speaker 6: hands of people who desperately need these resources to feed

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Speaker 6: these kids. That y'all's asses keep making them have.

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Speaker 3: I think it is. I think he gave the money

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Speaker 3: back because it was ill gotten.

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Speaker 1: It was a pr camp.

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Speaker 5: The reason why I don't think we ought to name

496
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Speaker 5: it after him is one because we are a center

497
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Speaker 5: of the dude who.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's clibait, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, forget the clip.

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Speaker 5: Well it may be, but you know what the truth

501
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Speaker 5: is is that the shortcut is going to work. The

502
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 5: shortcut about this story is is that you can get

503
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Speaker 5: to the you can get to what it's about by

504
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 5: knowing that he's got Parkinson's not what the substance of

505
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Speaker 5: the matter is, but the shortcut that was just created

506
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Speaker 5: by him yesterday, him and his.

507
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Speaker 1: The media and the media.

508
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Speaker 3: That the best way to bury this thing is to

509
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Speaker 3: break other news.

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Speaker 1: What about all right, we'll talk about the latter. I

511
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: want to shift us to a somber story that is

512
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Speaker 1: relevant in the news this week. Yeah, it is so

513
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Speaker 1: Marcellus Williams. If you've not heard this name, I'll tell

514
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Speaker 1: you a little bit about who this is. He's was

515
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Speaker 1: fifty five years old. He was convicted in the nineteen

516
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Speaker 1: ninety eight killing of a well known journalist in Saint

517
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Speaker 1: Louis Her name was Alicia Gale. She was a newspaper reporter.

518
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Speaker 1: She was stabbed to death during a home invasion robbery

519
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Speaker 1: and her suburban home. Now, I want to talk about

520
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Speaker 1: why this conviction was faulty. Marcellus Williams was scheduled to

521
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Speaker 1: be executed. He fought for years, for decades to stay

522
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Speaker 1: the execution. He was successful twice. He was not successful

523
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Speaker 1: this week. Sadly, Here's why this is a challenge. The

524
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Speaker 1: prosecutor's office in this case admitted that it was wrong

525
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Speaker 1: and it fought to overturn the death sentence. There had

526
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Speaker 1: been several violations of Marcellus's constitutional rights during the investigation

527
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Speaker 1: at trial. In the filing, we've talked about Wesley Bell before,

528
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Speaker 1: who is recently won his Democratic primary. He was now

529
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor at this time. He wasn't the person who

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Speaker 1: bought the case, but he inherited the case. He asserted

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Speaker 1: that the defense lawyer had not presented mitigating evidence that

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Speaker 1: could have spared mister Williams the death penalty. The prosecutor

533
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Speaker 1: who had the case at the time had improperly rejected

534
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Speaker 1: potential black jurors, resulting with the jury of eleven white people.

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Speaker 1: And one black member. Now let me just tell you

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Speaker 1: why this prosecutor rejected some of the jurors. One in particular,

537
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor who then was Keith Lerner. He testified that

538
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Speaker 1: in one case he excluded a prospective black juror because

539
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Speaker 1: he closely resembled Marcellus Williams. He's quoted as saying they

540
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: look like they could be brothers. Perhaps in his mind,

541
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Speaker 1: we all look alike. The prosecutor detailed multiple issues with

542
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Speaker 1: credibility of two key witnesses against Marcellus Williams, and noted

543
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Speaker 1: that mister Williams was not the source of footprints or

544
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Speaker 1: heirs found at the crime scene, nor was any if

545
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Speaker 1: his DNA found on the murder weapon. So he received

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Speaker 1: a state of execution in twenty fifteen and twenty seventeen,

547
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Speaker 1: but neither of these led to his conviction being thrown out.

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Speaker 1: The family, also, by the way, did not want to

549
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Speaker 1: see him executed. The state Attorney General, Republican Andrew Bailey,

550
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Speaker 1: who's facing a primary election right now Saint Louis, asked

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Speaker 1: the state Supreme Court to set an execution date for

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Speaker 1: Marcellus Williams. While in prison, mister Williams became a Muslim,

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Speaker 1: he took the name Khalifa. He appeared in court recently

554
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Speaker 1: with the white skull cap. You guys have seen those

555
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Speaker 1: to signify his Islamic devotion. And I want you all

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Speaker 1: to hear what his son said, uh, just days before

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Speaker 1: his execution, in an act of remaining hopeful. And then

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Speaker 1: I'll close us out on the other.

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Speaker 4: Side, like I hope a miracle happens. You know what

560
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Speaker 4: I'm saying. I hope It's all I wish is to

561
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Speaker 4: free my father from abundance, enslavement and spirit's life.

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Speaker 5: What would you say to the Supreme Court if you

563
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Speaker 5: had the opportunity to testify on behalf of your dad.

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Speaker 4: I would try to make them see that this is

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Speaker 4: a murder on their behalf and this is wrong, you know,

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Speaker 4: And I believe my father is truly innocent and they

567
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Speaker 4: need to take a closer look.

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Speaker 3: Have you allowed yourself to even get to Tuesday right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I already put it inside my body that I

570
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Speaker 4: would be a witness to it, to the execution. I'm

571
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Speaker 4: standing firm and show my Daddy's on the loan if

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Speaker 4: that's what it comes to, and I'm ready for it.

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Speaker 4: My mind sat my spirit strong, like I'm doing this

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Speaker 4: for my dad. It's bigger than me.

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Speaker 1: I want to read exactly what happened. This is according

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Speaker 1: to the at As Williams lay awaiting execution, he appeared

577
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Speaker 1: to converse with the spiritual advisor is seated next to him.

578
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Speaker 1: Williams wiggled his feet underneath a white sheet that was

579
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Speaker 1: pulled up to his neck and moved his head slightly

580
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Speaker 1: while his spiritual advisor continued to talk to him. Then

581
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Speaker 1: Williams's test heaved about a half dozen times, and he

582
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Speaker 1: showed no further movement. He was pronounced dead at six '

583
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Speaker 1: ten pm at a state prison in Voluntarry, the Missouri

584
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Speaker 1: who's run by the Missouri Department of Corrections.

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Speaker 6: I want to.

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Speaker 1: Say, this is not the party of pro life, This

587
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: is not the party of law and order. They are

588
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: liars and they are lynchers. When we look at death penalties,

589
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Speaker 1: the way that people are allowed to bear witness. The

590
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Speaker 1: family did not appear there. We've talked on this show

591
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Speaker 1: about how these executions go, how they're botched, how sometimes

592
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Speaker 1: they're torture because we don't know how to kill people properly,

593
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Speaker 1: so we don't know if they suffer. They certainly have

594
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Speaker 1: appeared to when we talked about the number of black

595
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Speaker 1: people who are on death row. So this week in America,

596
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Speaker 1: a man was lynched. And I have to say, as

597
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Speaker 1: black people who are so excited to carry one of

598
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Speaker 1: our own to the White House, to ascend to the

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Speaker 1: highest post and government, it is quite a paradox for

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Speaker 1: us to be celebratory of this moment when state sanctioned

601
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Speaker 1: violence and murder persist. I don't know how to feel

602
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Speaker 1: good about how we treat our people in this country,

603
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Speaker 1: but I do know I have a lot of fight

604
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Speaker 1: left in me. When I hear the these kind of stories,

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Speaker 1: it is just heartbreaking.

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Speaker 4: You know.

607
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Speaker 5: I to consider that the population in Saint Louis is

608
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Speaker 5: almost twenty percent black and that only one of twelve

609
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Speaker 5: jurors was black. Is malpracticed by the state by who

610
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 5: brought the charge. This is a sentence that it sounds

611
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Speaker 5: like if you hear from the prosecutor's office that there

612
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Speaker 5: was a violation of rights in this process, actually multiple

613
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Speaker 5: violations of rights in this of the accused rights.

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Speaker 3: You now have.

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Speaker 5: Sort of a backtracking on the fact pattern. Now you

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Speaker 5: have forensics that don't put him at the scene don't

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Speaker 5: have any portion of it. Again, think about forensics. We're

618
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Speaker 5: going back now, you know, forty years and using forensics

619
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Speaker 5: to tie individuals to crime scenes in ways that could

620
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Speaker 5: not have been done before. And in this case it's

621
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Speaker 5: the exact opposite. You can't you're not able to tie

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Speaker 5: the individual who you've accused to the crime scene. Now,

623
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Speaker 5: if this much malpractice had taken place, one that they

624
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 5: should have vacated this sentence long ago.

625
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Speaker 3: And if they thought that that that that there was a.

626
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Speaker 5: Chance that they had the wrong person on trial here

627
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Speaker 5: and worse over schedule for the death penalty, that that that,

628
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Speaker 5: I don't know, common sense might prevail. And it just

629
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Speaker 5: in this case, it just again goes to show how

630
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Speaker 5: value lists our black bodies are in the eyes of

631
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Speaker 5: so many and too many places. And I find it

632
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Speaker 5: especially upsetting that it oftentimes happens in places where the

633
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Speaker 5: black population is a significant force to be dealt with

634
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Speaker 5: by way of by share population. Miss we just talked

635
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Speaker 5: about a story in Mississippi, the Black and State nckdamn country,

636
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Speaker 5: where where the black population is a significant force to

637
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Speaker 5: be dealt with. Yet these kinds of injustices tend to happen,

638
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Speaker 5: and I can't help but think, what a shot over

639
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 5: the bow. This is supposed to be almost every time

640
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 5: to us, because they don't go in places where we're

641
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 5: not part of the population, where we're minuscule, but in

642
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 5: places where we're significant parts of the population, where the

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00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 5: offense just seems that much.

644
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Speaker 3: Greater, and yet no justice can be found.

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Speaker 1: We barely make up fourteen percent of the population, we

646
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Speaker 1: make up forty one percent of the population on death row.

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Speaker 6: And the thing is, in this particular case, we see

648
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Speaker 6: something that we hear about happening all the time informant testimony.

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Speaker 6: According to the Center on Wrongful Convictions, false testimony from

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Speaker 6: incentivized witnesses is the leading cause of wrongful convictions, with

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Speaker 6: informant testimony present in forty nine point five percent of

652
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Speaker 6: wrongful conviction since the mid seventies. Like that is that

653
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Speaker 6: is astronomical, especially the fact that that that that could

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Speaker 6: even be the case that you could rely on informant

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Speaker 6: testimony to even give someone the death penalty is beyond

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Speaker 6: the pail.

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Speaker 3: No, their testimony, whereas leverage not.

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Speaker 6: Yes, they are incentivized, incentivized informant.

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Speaker 1: And according to the Times, his girlfriend at the time

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Speaker 1: was one of those people.

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Speaker 6: She has the record.

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Speaker 1: Precisely, but also have.

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Speaker 5: Consequence on the other side of their testimony. Right when

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Speaker 5: you talk about incentivized, just so folks know it is,

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Speaker 5: it is you have something to gain by saying what

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Speaker 5: we need you to say against this other person, and

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Speaker 5: if you don't deliver it that way, you are not

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Speaker 5: of value and therefore you're gonna be penalized too. And

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Speaker 5: my whole point around, and I know it's y'alls too,

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Speaker 5: I believe that the whole point around having diverse juries

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Speaker 5: is not so that you have somebody who looks like

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Speaker 5: you and therefore is going to decide in your interest. No,

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Speaker 5: it's so that you've got somebody that might resemble a

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Speaker 5: lived experience that you might have, who may see this

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Speaker 5: thing differently, who may questions that folks who don't have

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Speaker 5: that same lived experience will never ask. It'll never come

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Speaker 5: to them because it never occurs to come to them.

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Speaker 5: It never occurs to ask the question differently, to to

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Speaker 5: inquire around a set of facts that are different than

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Speaker 5: what your own lived experience has have been. So we

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Speaker 5: don't conclude that having black jurors mean that you're going

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Speaker 5: to get off on something that you've done not at all.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I think when you have a diverse jury,

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Speaker 5: it's that you get diverse experiences, diverse perspectives, diverse lived

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Speaker 5: experiences that see the questions and the answers differently than.

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Speaker 3: How they get boilerplate delivered.

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Speaker 5: I know it to be true because I've sat on

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Speaker 5: boards where had we not asked the question, the question

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Speaker 5: would never have been asked. And oftentimes the question being

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Speaker 5: asked becomes a difference between what whether something goes forward

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Speaker 5: or it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I just I want to say our thoughts

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Speaker 1: are with the family of Marcellus Williams, the man who

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Speaker 1: is arguing, and the many like him, and the many

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Speaker 1: who are still sitting on death row as we speak,

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Speaker 1: because according to the reported evidence by the New York

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Speaker 1: Times and others, it certainly points to doubt. And that

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Speaker 1: is the whole point of a jury, that you of

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Speaker 1: a trial, that you are convicted beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 1: People keep saying shadow of a doubt, but legally it

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Speaker 1: is beyond a reasonable doubt, and there are multiple reasonable

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Speaker 1: doubts here. Our families also go out to our hearts,

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Speaker 1: also go out to Leicia Gale who was the victim here,

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Speaker 1: because at this point I would say, on my own

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Speaker 1: opinion is that it's quite possible that her killer remains

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Speaker 1: at large or unpunished. It's been a little somber. We

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Speaker 1: do have some viewer questions, and Andrew, I know that

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Speaker 1: you have a topic. So what do you guys think

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Speaker 1: if we play in the question now and then we'll

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Speaker 1: answer it on the other side. Okay, so give us

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Speaker 1: give us a question.

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Speaker 10: Nick, Good morning, Native Lampid. The name is Devin from Houston, Texas.

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Speaker 10: First off, I really love the pod, love the work

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Speaker 10: you all are doing. Keep up the good work. One

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Speaker 10: of the questions that I had for you all is

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Speaker 10: shortly after Vice President Harris became the Democratic nominee, or

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Speaker 10: even before that, some Republicans came out and fully endorsed

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Speaker 10: her as their presidential candidate. I feel like that might

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Speaker 10: cause some split ticket issues down the line, because there

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Speaker 10: are some down ballot Republicans who still who still fully

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Speaker 10: support the former president's platform. So, first off, first question

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Speaker 10: is why isn't more attention being given to those candidates

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Speaker 10: and highlighting where they might diverge from Vice President Harris's

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Speaker 10: platform and could potentially put you know, be be ahead

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Speaker 10: when to her efforts. Second question is is there anything

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Speaker 10: that can be done from a from a political strategy

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Speaker 10: standpoint to offset that?

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Speaker 1: Thanks, all right, We're going to answer that question on

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Speaker 1: the other side of this rank.

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Speaker 10: M.

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Speaker 5: Well, we just heard a question from a viewer before,

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Speaker 5: right before we took a took a break, and were

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Speaker 5: appreciative of you, Devin for one year support and listenership

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Speaker 5: support of the show. And I think where I want

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Speaker 5: to make sure we get his question clearly, and so

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Speaker 5: I want to ask y'all because I may be a

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Speaker 5: little confused. I understand what ballot split sort of split

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Speaker 5: that ballot voting is, which is where you may choose

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Speaker 5: a Democrat on one and then flip over and do

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Speaker 5: a Republican on another race. But the accountability piece that

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Speaker 5: he's referring to, who does he want us to hold

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Speaker 5: to account of these Republicans who are running for public

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Speaker 5: office who are saying that they're with Kamala on one

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Speaker 5: end to get the benefit of a split ticket voting

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Speaker 5: or what I could be complicating in some ways that

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Speaker 5: aren't necessary to what.

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Speaker 1: I understood his question. Devin, apologies if I get it wrong.

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Speaker 1: But what I think he was trying to ask is, first,

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Speaker 1: just because you're voting for Kamala Harris, you are still

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Speaker 1: a problem. Not always is the enemy of my enemy

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Speaker 1: my friend. If you're voting for her because you don't

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Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, but you're still going to vote down

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Speaker 1: ballot for Republican senators who are going to do everything

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Speaker 1: they can to block her agenda, then you are a problem.

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Speaker 1: And how do we navigate that? And why isn't there

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Speaker 1: more coverage and discussion around that. That's what I understated

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Speaker 1: it to me, And I just want to say a

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Speaker 1: quick example of that could potentially be in Texas, where

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Speaker 1: you know, Angela Colin Allred is running for Senate in

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Speaker 1: a really tight race in Texas, and there are Republicans

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Speaker 1: who have come out and publicly endorsed Congressman Colin Already

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Speaker 1: format That's who it was. That is who played for

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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. I knew I read something about somebody.

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Speaker 6: Was happening. I never thought about it, thought man, So.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell y'all knowing anyway, the Tennessee Titans,

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Speaker 1: and now he is in Congress and he's running the

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Speaker 1: unseen Ted Cruise and multiple Democrats, but there have been

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Speaker 1: some Republicans, uh, to endorse him. There have been some

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Speaker 1: Democrats to endorse ted Cruise. But that is a perfect example. Yeah, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is a mess. Call him, I know, let me

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Speaker 1: find it, Let me find it, let me find it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: we come back to it.

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Speaker 6: I'm a I'm gonna tap in here while you find that.

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Speaker 6: I just want to say quickly, I don't I'm not

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Speaker 6: personally aware. Doesn't mean just like in this instance that

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Speaker 6: that my personal awareness means that it's not happening. But

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Speaker 6: I'm not aware of any current sitting Republican elected official

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Speaker 6: who has endorsed Kamala Harris. I am aware of Trump staffers,

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Speaker 6: former Trump Cabinet officials, former national security advisors from multiple administrations,

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Speaker 6: former economic advisors for multiple administrations endorsing the Harris Walls ticket.

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Speaker 6: That said, it could very well be that those folks

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Speaker 6: too voter split ticket. It very well could be. I

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Speaker 6: think that you calling it out in the question and

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Speaker 6: the way that you just did, and Tiff and andrews

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Speaker 6: answers are the kinds of things that we should be

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Speaker 6: doing to calling it out. That's great that you're promoting

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Speaker 6: and endorsing this particular agenda and platform. You do understand

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Speaker 6: how politics works, and that does mean that people need

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Speaker 6: to be and lockstep with them in getting that agenda passed.

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Speaker 6: I'm already worried because I do know of one Democrat

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Speaker 6: who's saying that he will not endorse Kamla Heyres. I'll

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Speaker 6: say Democrat, and that is Joe Manchin, who said that

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Speaker 6: he can't support her, and she ought to be ashamed

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Speaker 6: of herself because she wants to throw out the filibuster

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Speaker 6: to codify Roe. Wow, Joe Manchin, if there was ever

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Speaker 6: a time to throw out the damned philibuster, you would

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Speaker 6: think it'd be then. Anyway, Tip, it looks like you found.

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Speaker 1: Your Democrat, I mean Joe, but I thought he officially

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Speaker 1: Party independent.

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Speaker 6: I understand that. But as far as I know.

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Speaker 3: He's the man.

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Speaker 5: The man is a legend in his own mind. He

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Speaker 5: also contemplated running for president against if y'all remember when

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Speaker 5: he when when when Joe Biden vacated originally, So, first

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Speaker 5: of all, there is a sitting Republicans who have endorsed her.

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Speaker 5: That the Republican John John Giles Arizona is the sitting

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Speaker 5: mayor a sitting mayor in Arizona who has endorsed her.

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Speaker 5: But your point is well taken, Angela, which is if

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Speaker 5: you for Republicans who have thing to potentially lose, like

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Speaker 5: their elections or re elections, they have not by and

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Speaker 5: large gone to the record to say that they support

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris. I don't want that, by any means to

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Speaker 5: undermine the bravity of bravery of those who have come out,

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Speaker 5: including you know, somebody who I detested and really still do,

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Speaker 5: mister Inron himself, you know, coming forward and throwing his

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Speaker 5: support but you know, behind her.

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Speaker 3: But the truth is is there are going to be

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Speaker 3: ballot splitters. We've seen that.

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Speaker 5: We saw that in Georgia where two Democrats got elected

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Speaker 5: to the US Senate yet a Republican governor got re

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Speaker 5: elected to the governorship. We've seen it, frankly, in many

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Speaker 5: places around the country. And I think the only way

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Speaker 5: we can extract, I think something from this is to

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Speaker 5: be as loud and proud as we can by saying

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Speaker 5: that Donald Trump in and of himself is not the

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Speaker 5: only problem. He is a problem. He may be at

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Speaker 5: the apex of the problem, but if he's got a

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Speaker 5: locked step us Senate behind him, someone who is willing

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Speaker 5: to carry out mass theft against the American people by

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Speaker 5: not appointing or confirming democratic appointees by Democratic presidents who

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Speaker 5: sit in office right now, who put people up for

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Speaker 5: the courts because they don't believe a Democrat how to

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Speaker 5: be able to appoint justices or judges to the federal bench.

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Speaker 3: That's what's happening right now. Let's be clear about it.

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Speaker 11: We have Republicans who are holding hostage, who are acting

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Speaker 11: in contrary and contradiction of the contra Constitution by staving

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Speaker 11: off a democratic prejudicibility to appoint the individuals of.

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Speaker 3: His choice to offices that he has.

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Speaker 5: Total autonomy, with the exception of advising and consent from

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Speaker 5: the US Senate to a point, he's the only one

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Speaker 5: who can make those appointments.

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with all that I think his point,

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Speaker 1: which is one we all echo. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: how people are always like big up in the Lincoln project, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, the wing of never Trumpers who are like,

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Speaker 1: we don't rock with him, But then when you look,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but y'all were part of the problem

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Speaker 1: that helped him get there. Like y'all are cannibalizing. So

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Speaker 1: if if this is where we are, like, we're watching

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Speaker 1: y'all after we get a president Harris right, because I

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Speaker 1: don't really trust you like we allies for now watching right,

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Speaker 1: So all these never trumpets, It's like, just remember this

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Speaker 1: because you all were exactly you were. You supported the

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Speaker 1: Tea Party, you supported the first Make America Great Again candidate.

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Speaker 1: We ain't forgot, we know and we ain't no.

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Speaker 5: Fools, Tiffany, as you know are the ones who helped

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Speaker 5: to engineer Bush into office and before him breaking and

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Speaker 5: so on.

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Speaker 1: And Nixon and all of them. I wanted to say,

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Speaker 1: the Democrat who's supporting Ted Cruz, just so y'all know

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Speaker 1: in Texas, do the right thing in Texas. Make Texas

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Speaker 1: purple for crying out loud is kim Ogg. She's the

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Speaker 1: Democratic district attorney for Harris County. But and this is

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Speaker 1: according to the New York Times. On the other side

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Speaker 1: of that, uh, Liz Cheney has endorsed Colin Allred, so

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Speaker 1: split party. And then when it comes to Joe Manton,

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Speaker 1: he according to the NBC News this is in May,

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Speaker 1: uh he said that he is leaving the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: and registering as an independent, and that at the time

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Speaker 1: was raising speculation about whether he may run for another

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Speaker 1: Senate term or if he's eyeing a run for governor

873
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: in the fall. So, anyway, Joe Manton, can I got

874
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: a question? I got I got a question for you, Andrew. Andrew,

875
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: what since you're dressed like Philip Michael Thomas today, No,

876
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: let me let him be geeked O my god, Okay, well,

877
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: my computer is running a little right here too, exactly. Anyway,

878
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: what do you think because I have some thoughts, but

879
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: I know you want to talk about it, But what

880
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: do you think about these celebrities.

881
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: Weighing in being asked to weigh in? Being asked Oftentimes?

882
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 5: It's not that they are They're not necessarily coming to

883
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 5: the table trying to get their opinion political opinions out there,

884
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 5: but are oftentimes asked and Tiff, actually, this really falls

885
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 5: better in your court because you're often one who reminds

886
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 5: us that why is it that the media is going

887
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 5: to the athlete or the actor or actress to talk

888
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 5: about politics one Likewise, they don't do the same oftentimes

889
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 5: with white actors or white athletes or activists asking them

890
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 5: to opine on major political questions. And by the way,

891
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 5: this is to say that actors, actresses and athletes don't

892
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 5: have opinions about these things that that may be well

893
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 5: integedis absolutely they should. But but this all came up obviously,

894
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 5: and we've we visited this on episodes before, but this

895
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 5: all came up in light of Janet Jackson being or

896
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 5: essentially saying that she had heard that Kamala Harris wasn't

897
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 5: wasn't black and maybe her dad was white, and you

898
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 5: know a lot of voices have descended upon her on

899
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 5: that note. I got my own private thoughts about how

900
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 5: I felt about it. But we're at the stage now

901
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 5: where I think it's important to lift this beyond just

902
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 5: being about her and how it is that we treat

903
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 5: celebrity when it comes to engaging in politics and whether

904
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 5: or not should we really be going to them asking

905
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 5: them about their opinion about wars here and there and

906
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 5: candidates here and there that they that's as Whoopy said,

907
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 5: and I think we ought to roll Whoopies comments here.

908
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: This ain't what they do. It's not what they do.

909
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: A superstar.

910
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 9: Jenn Jackson just did a wide ranging interview with British

911
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 9: newspaper The Guardian, but most of the focus is on

912
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 9: when she was asked her thoughts on VP Kamala Harris

913
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 9: possibly become the first black female president she said. She

914
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 9: answered by saying that she had heard that Harris's father

915
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 9: was white, which we all know is false. Janet Jackson

916
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 9: is not a political animal. She does She's a musician.

917
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 9: Her life is doing this, and she's warning her brother.

918
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 9: Sometimes I've said stuff and you know I was wrong.

919
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 9: We all do it, so okay, a little grace for.

920
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 5: The girl, and y'all, I mean, I think we should

921
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 5: take those comments, you know, in the heart that they

922
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 5: are intended, but also to ask the question of whether

923
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 5: or not we ought to be holding celebrities to the

924
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 5: same standards that we might hold other politicians or public leaders,

925
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 5: public figures when it comes to, frankly, talking about things

926
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 5: that are not in their bellywick that are not frankly,

927
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 5: the things that they get up and look at the

928
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 5: news and follow and so on and so forth, like

929
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 5: we might. And moreover, if they can be infected with

930
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 5: missus information, who will we to blame regular citizen Joe

931
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 5: who starts, you know, retorting comments that sound ape shit

932
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 5: crazy because they're being directly filtered toward them so that

933
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 5: they can repeat it. I'm curious if y'all think this

934
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 5: is a double standard. No standard should be.

935
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: I just want to be clear because I definitely don't

936
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: want anyone to mistake any of the three of us.

937
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't want you all to think any of us

938
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: are saying, to Andrew's point that they don't have a

939
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: right to speak. Like you are a tax paying citizen.

940
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: You have every right to use your platform how you

941
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: want to do it, and if you choose to weigh

942
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: in on politics, great, you know, do it. I do

943
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: think when you have large platforms, there comes with it

944
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: a responsibility to be somewhat informed, somewhat well read on

945
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: the subject you're talking about. When it falls short of that,

946
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: I do think it's irresponsible to come out there and

947
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: say something that's demonstrably false or googleably false. I think

948
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: we have to share responsibly. I don't think it's responsible

949
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: to share conspiracy theories or say things you know. And

950
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: just a reminder to celebrities, like shutting up is free,

951
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: Like you don't even have to weigh in on if

952
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: somebody asks you a question you don't know, it's probably

953
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: best to just say, you know, I don't really know

954
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: about things like that, so almost keep quiet.

955
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 6: Now.

956
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: I want to say when we look at some of

957
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: the celebrity engagement here, to me, the responsibility does fall

958
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: to the media. A large following does not a political

959
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: operative make Okay. I do not want to hear from

960
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: people like it is ridiculous to me, and Angela knows.

961
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: I go off on this all the time. You will

962
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: see people on these news platforms, okay, on a news show,

963
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: and they are chirned as strategists. And I want y'all

964
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: to start googling some of these people and tell me

965
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: what campaign they ever strategized on. They are not strategists.

966
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: If they work for some who gives a crap election

967
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: twenty years ago for the school board that counts, it

968
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: does not make you a Democratic strategist or a Republican

969
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: strategist for that matter. Talking on television is not a job,

970
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: you know. It is in conjunction with none of us

971
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: ever just popped up out here like a fetus, and

972
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: oh here we are. We have opinions. We all had

973
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: decades of work that led to an informed opinion, informed thought,

974
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: informed work.

975
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 5: I'm sorry I'll just complicated, because don't We often go

976
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 5: after political you know, celebrities to weigh in, Hey will

977
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 5: you endorse?

978
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: Will you do this?

979
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: We don't. But there are some people, Well you're saying, yes,

980
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,479
Speaker 1: I do not, We don't. Your campaign may have camp

981
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: but as campaigns yes, As a journalist, no, I don't care.

982
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: And even when I did do, anytime I worked on campaign,

983
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: it was from a comm's perspective. I what the data

984
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: shows is it really does not matter when celebrities endorse

985
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: or not. That does not if there's not any proof more.

986
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: But if you're not a national campaign, yes, it can

987
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: bring national attention. What matters more than a celebrity endorsement

988
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: are those local community validators. That's what matters. And I

989
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: also think it's a difference between a campaign going after

990
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: a celebrity then it is a news outlet platforming a

991
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: celebrity and presenting propping them up like they have any

992
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: idea what the hell they're talking about. You can ask

993
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: them about their platform, you can ask them about their show.

994
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: You can ask them how they built it. You can

995
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: ask them what are you hearing from people who who

996
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: follow you, who watch you, who like you? Asking them

997
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: what does the party need to do for these things.

998
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: I just think that's a disservice to the audience and

999
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: it helps to dumb down the American electorate. But Angela,

1000
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like you might disagree.

1001
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 6: I just I feel very conflicted here for a number

1002
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 6: of reasons. I think, first, I just want to point

1003
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 6: out I'm not going to whoopyes thing, because I think

1004
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 6: that that's of no consequence here. I think what I

1005
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 6: really want to tap into is what the article was about.

1006
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 6: So Janet Jackson was getting profiled in The Guardian. The

1007
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 6: name of the piece is I shouldn't have listened to

1008
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 6: those around me Janet Jackson on Michael motherhood and how

1009
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 6: she's taking back control. When you read that headline, you

1010
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 6: do not, and really the entire article, you do not

1011
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 6: expect that Janet Jackson is going to somehow be used

1012
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 6: in a Donald Trump ad misinformation for why Kamala Harris

1013
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 6: is not a black woman. The journalist even says in

1014
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 6: this piece, and I'm doing this because there are a

1015
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 6: lot of people who are seeing that one quote, but

1016
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 6: it's completely out of context. Out of context or not,

1017
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 6: she is wrong. That is true. So it is on

1018
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 6: that record she's saying about joining voices in protests to

1019
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 6: social injustice and pushing toward a world rid of color lines.

1020
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 6: I wonder where she stands on the forthcoming election, after all,

1021
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 6: I say, America could be on the verge of voting

1022
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 6: in its first black female president, Kamala Harris. That's when

1023
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 6: Jana Jackson Pop said, well, well, you know what, I heard

1024
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 6: what they said. I haven't watched the news in a

1025
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 6: few days. All of that, She's not really being propped

1026
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 6: up as a political strategist here, or as someone who

1027
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 6: should be speaking, you know, for democracy and protecting it.

1028
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 6: As someone who no longer even lives here. She's being

1029
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 6: asked in the historical nature of this, just as so

1030
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 6: many other people did when we saw every single magazine

1031
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 6: covering Barack Obama, every single you know, rapper, rock star,

1032
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 6: country music artist, Bruce Springsteen, whomever, talking about the importance

1033
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 6: of Barack Obama's election in two thousand and eight. Right,

1034
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 6: those things were all welcome.

1035
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 5: Then.

1036
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 6: They were welcomed by magazines who sold more because they

1037
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 6: were included. They were welcomed certainly by Barack Obama's campaign,

1038
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 6: which I would argue was the first time in a

1039
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 6: presidential where they had a full on surrogate operation because

1040
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 6: of how important celebrity voices were in that context. That said,

1041
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 6: I think it is just as critical to know. If

1042
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 6: we know that celebrity voices could be influential as Taylor

1043
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 6: Swift's endorsement was the night of the debate, literally changing

1044
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 6: the news cycle, then we also know that they could

1045
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 6: be equally harmful, and they should be held to account

1046
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 6: for the things they do that are harmful. I have

1047
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 6: not liked the very personal attacks that have been lobbed

1048
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 6: against her for saying something ignorant, right, And I understand,

1049
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 6: like people can joke about it and all of that,

1050
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 6: but you're not shaming her into truth. You're getting her

1051
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 6: to be more cocooned in the more cocluon than she

1052
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 6: already was, which who even knew that was possible. I

1053
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 6: think that jan Jackson should be made to apologize for

1054
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 6: the misinformation. It sounds like she's not. It sounds like

1055
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 6: she's doubling down in it when you look at her

1056
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 6: manager brother's Instagram account. There's no wonder why I'll let

1057
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 6: you guys go do that for yourselves. But it is

1058
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 6: remarkably frustrating because on one hand, we'll say, these people

1059
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 6: really do matter, and on the other hand we'll be like, well,

1060
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 6: who are they? They don't know nothing. It's like we

1061
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 6: got to kind of find a place, And I think

1062
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 6: I would argue the place is they do matter, and

1063
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 6: if they don't know anything, it is the obligation of

1064
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 6: those who would teach us about sports, who would teach

1065
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 6: us about entertainment, who when we leave our or distance

1066
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 6: ourselves a little more from our normal strategy jobs and

1067
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 6: go into TV and media and into speeches and into

1068
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 6: you know, influencer deals or endorsement deals. Those say, people

1069
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 6: who coach us up on those things, we need to

1070
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 6: be coaching them up about how politics works in facts

1071
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 6: when they come into play. That's my WoT.

1072
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: For me.

1073
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 5: The context of why she did the interview was not

1074
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 5: important to me because at the point that she decided

1075
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 5: she was going to contradict the asker of the question,

1076
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 5: the journalists and saying how will you feel about the

1077
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 5: first black woman president, and her interjecting a set of facts,

1078
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 5: not real facts, a set of information that was not

1079
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 5: introduced through the question by saying oh, no, no, no,

1080
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 5: I heard that that that she ain't that That's when

1081
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 5: it turns for me because you're not responding to the

1082
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 5: question that was asked of you, which is by a journalist,

1083
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 5: how do you feel about the first black woman president?

1084
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 5: You've now said, oh no, no, let me give you news.

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Speaker 5: They say she not black. So then it's like now

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Speaker 5: we're now we're trifling into what is the irresponsible? But

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Speaker 5: the reason why I tried to lift it to you know,

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Speaker 5: sort of what the what the the power is of

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Speaker 5: misinformation that if you can be Janet Jackson believably by

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Speaker 5: most of us, to be surrounded by handlers, people who

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Speaker 5: shuffle and maybe publicists who keep her, you know, to

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Speaker 5: date on things that that if you can be, in

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Speaker 5: fact to buy misinformation, what guard do what safeguards exist

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Speaker 5: for the average citizen as to what they are?

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Speaker 3: You know, what standard we then treat them to.

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Speaker 5: And the truth is I think about average since I

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Speaker 5: mean one, the woman has been vice president for almost

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Speaker 5: four years. She's not a new entity onto the onto

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Speaker 5: the onto the stage.

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Speaker 6: But some people I think it is a point.

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Speaker 3: Of privilege for years in the public space.

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Speaker 6: But it hasn't been that sure, Andrew, But it hasn't

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Speaker 6: been that public. We have to acknowledge the fact that

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Speaker 6: as much work as Kamala Harris has done, there was

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Speaker 6: not a lot of coverage of her until.

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Speaker 3: I agree that.

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Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying. So we're expecting people to go

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Speaker 6: and dig I think that's a point of privilege we

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Speaker 6: have because of our connection to this work.

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Speaker 5: I am not saying I don't expect people to introduce

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Speaker 5: facts that are not fast.

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Speaker 6: Do that because they consistently do it, And I do expect,

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Speaker 6: maybe this is where I have too many high hopes

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Speaker 6: over media. I expect that the moment somebody says something

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Speaker 6: like this, you see it going off the rails, that's

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Speaker 6: not the point of the piece, Like why are you

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Speaker 6: the print? Why print that?

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Speaker 3: Well, but that is suggested. No, but this is the.

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Speaker 6: Same publication that is like, oh there's rampant misinformation. There's

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Speaker 6: rampid misinformation. If you go and then publish it, you

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Speaker 6: know that's the piece that's gonna be clipped in the SoundBite.

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Speaker 6: You're now feeding the very monster that you rail against

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Speaker 6: that you raised money for The Guardian. And I'm not

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Speaker 6: saying I'm not pointing blame at one person or one entity.

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Speaker 6: Janet Jackson is at fault Randy Jackson is at fault.

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Speaker 6: The people questioning her blackness are at fault. The Guardian

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Speaker 6: for printing it, I think are at fault. They did

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Speaker 6: not need the traffic in this they did.

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Speaker 1: So that is where I would say, like, that's the

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Speaker 1: hard thing I think with newsrooms, because it's all, you know, subjective.

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Speaker 6: Sure, you know, like you.

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Speaker 1: Can't write like you you saying that you should not

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Speaker 1: have run it. You know, other people can say, well, no,

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Speaker 1: that's newsworthy. She said something, I'm kind of with you, Angela, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have if I were

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Speaker 1: the reporter in that case, I've probably would not have

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Speaker 1: run it. I don't know that I would fault somebody

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Speaker 1: else for making a different choice. But I personally and professionally,

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Speaker 1: I think that was irresponsible, especially when you could correct

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Speaker 1: her and keep.

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Speaker 6: Credit to the journalists credit. She did try to correct her,

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Speaker 6: and then they and it looks like there was a

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Speaker 6: back and forth for some times she printed.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, correct her and not run it, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I would say, right, I get it, and and

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Speaker 1: viewers and readers and all that matters. But the difference

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Speaker 1: in because Angela, you were talking about oh, well, Obama

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01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: came and you know, people were weighing in on that.

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Speaker 1: That is very different for what I'm talking about. When

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Speaker 1: I say, yeah, I would, I would think if I

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Speaker 1: were a reporter covering entertainment. Yes, I want to ask,

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Speaker 1: you're a woman, how does it feel to see, you know,

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Speaker 1: a woman, a sense of this? What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: You're a black person, how does it feel to see this?

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Speaker 1: You can ask questions like that. To me, the problem

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01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: comes when you say, what does the Democratic Party need

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01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: to be doing when it comes to reaching a broader

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Speaker 1: coalition of voters? Taylor Swift, Wayne, what are your thoughts

1159
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: on that? Why are we ever asking Taylor Swift about that?

1160
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: Is not her area of expertise. That is a problem.

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01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: The thing is they would not ask Taylors with that.

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Speaker 1: They only do that when it comes to black folks.

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Speaker 1: They disproportionately do that when it comes to black folks.

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Speaker 1: They don't know the difference between and Isabella or Wilkinson

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Speaker 1: and a Janet Jackson. To be honest, they think, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's all the same thing. And I think that is

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Speaker 1: not only disrespectful, it is irrespond to hear that point

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Speaker 1: that these people don't have a right to weigh in,

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01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: but it's irresponding for the media to elevate that.

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Speaker 6: I hear that point, Tiff and Andrew, I want you

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Speaker 6: to jump in. I just have one little thing, and

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Speaker 6: I would say this here too. For Andrew's campaign, one

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Speaker 6: of the things that I thought was really important was

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Speaker 6: that we got a firm that had run ads and

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Speaker 6: run successful corporate campaigns to give Andrew a different type

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01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 6: of appeal, because we know that there are certain products

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Speaker 6: that do better at appealing to broad swaths of audiences.

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Speaker 6: So that was not a typical political firm, and so

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Speaker 6: we're asking them, Hey, what do you think we can

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01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 6: do to ensure broad appeal of this candidate and present

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01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 6: him differently. I think there's no difference in asking someone

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Speaker 6: with expertise in entertainment, whether they've cut ads or movies,

1183
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 6: if they do trailers or whatever, how can we present

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01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 6: this information in a different way. We shouted out Gary

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01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 6: Chambers on this program for presenting a political ad in

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,959
Speaker 6: a different way, and I think when we get those

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 6: other voices, it's to add perspective, not because they've had

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01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 6: fifty years of expertise in the political space.

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Speaker 1: Like James you understand the difference. You're talking about a campaign,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about it.

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Speaker 6: What I guess. If the newsroom is asking a question

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Speaker 6: because they're curious about how a candidate could break through,

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Speaker 6: I'm still not even faulting them for that. Now if

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Speaker 6: they use that to say, oh, well, Mike Tyson said

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01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 6: that this is everything. Sometimes I'm trying to acknowledge that's

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01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 6: the point of and you're inside your point that I

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Speaker 6: agree with. I am saying there's still spaciousness for allowing

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Speaker 6: diverse voices to say say, these are some places where

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Speaker 6: what that I know could work if they use them

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Speaker 6: on me, or if they took this approach, or if

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01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 6: they took this approach for this zip code where I'm from.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there's anything wrong with that for diverse opinions.

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: But if they I think there are there's an embarrassment

1204
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: of riches of people who actually do that work, who

1205
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: are experts. I don't understand.

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Speaker 5: I get you, I get your point, Tiff, and I

1207
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 5: buy a lawge degree. I will say, I am never

1208
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 5: going to expect a newsroom to do the editing when

1209
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 5: they can quite as easily go out and ask anybody

1210
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 5: they want who they think might be a newsmaker that

1211
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 5: might give them a bigger break, that might make their

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01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,959
Speaker 5: story that much bigger. I don't expect that they're ever

1213
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 5: going to turn away from that person, should they be

1214
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 5: willing to answer the question and put it out there,

1215
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 5: and especially if their answer creates a whole new conversation

1216
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 5: in and of itself. And that's what happened here. This

1217
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 5: was not a gotcha question to jan Jackson. This was

1218
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Speaker 5: not a you've got.

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Speaker 3: Well cinched in politics to know one way or another.

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Speaker 12: This was like.

1221
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Speaker 3: And this is one of the problems.

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Speaker 5: This is where identify the problem for her, which is

1223
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 5: she tried to having not watch news in the past

1224
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Speaker 5: couple of days, to introduce some facts a couple no

1225
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Speaker 5: no for her, I mean introduced information. You're right, You're

1226
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Speaker 5: absolutely right, Angela. She attempted to introduce information that she

1227
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Speaker 5: thought was new and different than what the report of.

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Speaker 3: Herself was asking.

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Speaker 5: And so when she took that liberty, when she took

1230
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Speaker 5: that liberty, she opened up.

1231
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Speaker 3: A different can.

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Speaker 5: And that's why you know again, I think everybody is

1233
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 5: everybody can make mistakes. But I'll tell you this much,

1234
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 5: these artists know how to stay out of trouble. They

1235
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 5: spent a lifetime staying out of trouble, and so you

1236
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 5: walk headfirst into it or trying to at least make

1237
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 5: at least cover over it, at least when.

1238
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Speaker 3: We should take a break. Actually, you know what, I'll

1239
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: take us to the break.

1240
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 5: I'm going to finish my point, which is simply to

1241
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 5: say my point is now done, and we can go

1242
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 5: to a break. But it seems like a break is

1243
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 5: only possible when I'm in the middle of saying.

1244
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 8: And.

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Speaker 1: Take a break. Take up your point on the other side, Andrew.

1246
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome.

1247
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 5: Welcome, Welcome back, everybody. We are coming to the end

1248
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 5: of the episode that I thought end did.

1249
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: We're going to do it doing this today, and we're

1250
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 3: going to start. We're going to start the end by

1251
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 3: listening to one more of your question.

1252
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 12: Hi, everyone is as deeply. I grew up in Central Ohio.

1253
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 12: Now I live in Dallas, Texas, and I wanted to

1254
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 12: ask if y'all had been watching Fight Night on Hulu.

1255
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 12: It's a show about Atlanta in the sixties and kind.

1256
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: Of wearing getting all.

1257
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 12: What the show is called Black Vegas as a really

1258
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 12: awesome mostly black cast and I was wondering if you

1259
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 12: guys you know, had seen it, where your thoughts are

1260
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 12: and what you may think it's irrelevance could be in

1261
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 12: pop culture in terms of just seeing black stories told

1262
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 12: in a more mainstream way. Thanks for listening and chatting.

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Speaker 12: And I also want to shout out a great little

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Speaker 12: small business. This is Christy Rice. She's got these great

1265
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 12: shoes shirts that say wear your shoes ladies. There's a

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Speaker 12: glass everywhere. Highly recommend, but thanks.

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Speaker 1: We want one. We wanted t shirts.

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Speaker 6: Also, Will Back, we're running some money because I don't

1269
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 6: know why you got this girl to sending this question

1270
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 6: in the show, like you didn't have to pay for advertising.

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Speaker 1: You know who else is aby on that iHeart?

1272
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 6: But some money to Andrew. This is a great pot

1273
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 6: to talk about misinformation because that show is on Peacock.

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Speaker 1: And I would say, I've been watching this show. It

1275
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: is so good. I talked to y'all about it when

1276
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: I was on the Vineyard and we did a Q

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01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: and A with the cast. It is really good. And

1278
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: it started out as a podcast on iHeart. Will Packer

1279
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: is the executive producer on it along with Will here.

1280
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: Will iHeart is also an executive producer on it. But

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01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: it's really have you all been watching?

1282
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 6: I need to start. I need to start.

1283
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you have time because there I thought I was

1284
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: gonna be able to binge the whole thing, and then

1285
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: I got to the last episode and new episodes are

1286
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: dropped every week, so I didn't. I thought I was

1287
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: gonna be able to watch it in one sitting, but

1288
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: it's like five episodes in now. New episodes dropped every Thursday.

1289
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: Absince found out. But it is really good. It's funny.

1290
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: Taraji Henson is amazing, Kevin Hart is amazing, Terrence Howard,

1291
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: Sam Jackson, h Chloe from from Chloe and Bailey. It's

1292
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: really good, and it's basically about this heist Kelly, Sorry, sorry,

1293
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: moving fast, I just wear okay, thank you. That's so bad.

1294
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: But it's basically some dudes planned to rob a party

1295
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: the night Muhammed Ali was fighting in Atlanta. That is

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Speaker 1: where the story begins. And it is really good. But

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Speaker 1: that is a free ass commercial for Andrew Fellow.

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Speaker 6: You a slick will packer.

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Speaker 1: We love you will, We love you know you, said

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Speaker 1: Angela up during the DNC. We loved y'all up too.

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Speaker 1: There are supposed to be your surprise. He did. I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm mad about it. I wanted my surprise anyway. That

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Speaker 1: was because people, you know, people were asking who was

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Speaker 1: the surprise. Angela never said it was Will Packer. He

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Speaker 1: was well, and he came like five seconds after we

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Speaker 1: got off.

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Speaker 6: Five minutes too late.

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Speaker 1: Yes, about five minutes, five minutes, that's true. All right,

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Speaker 1: what should we talk about before we get to CCA's

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Speaker 1: what we talk about on the mini pot. Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: finally Andrew's on top. I know Andrew, y'all. Andrew got

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Speaker 1: an attitude right now? What you want to talk about?

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Speaker 5: Andrew out of his preparation for category three hurricane hitting

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Speaker 5: you directly.

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Speaker 6: We should have you have a lot, right, he should

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Speaker 6: have an attitude. He's trying to just say his family.

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Speaker 6: He's got got a Superman shirt underneath this tight white button.

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Speaker 1: No, well we can't tell because it's but.

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Speaker 3: You'll never see it again.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I tested campaign finance. I'd be up for that

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Speaker 1: against you know. Okay, all right, skip it. We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna do that. I mean, maybe like that one that

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Speaker 1: you said, Angela, it was, oh you were talking about

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Speaker 1: we didn't really quite flush it out, but it was

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Speaker 1: like one of our more like.

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Speaker 6: Spirits we need we need Jesus today too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you walked us through one. It was do you remember, Andrew?

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Speaker 6: Oh, I know, I know what it was. It was about.

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Speaker 6: We had this conversation. I think often, like the three

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Speaker 6: of us, we are all the responsible ones in our family,

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Speaker 6: shade anybody else in the family. But in doing that, Oh,

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Speaker 6: Andrew's on a mission today, y'all. He is burning as

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Speaker 6: he goes. He's just burning it all down. But you know,

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Speaker 6: there's this idea that when you do carry that, that

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Speaker 6: you have a lot to fix. You know, you're constantly fixing,

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Speaker 6: You're constantly problem solving, You're constantly doing. And Tiff was like,

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Speaker 6: have you ever asked people, oh, you know, if they

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Speaker 6: want your help, if they want to just vent, or

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Speaker 6: how they want you to engage? And I'm like, no, bish,

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Speaker 6: when I hear a problem, I'm jumping. It happened this morning.

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Speaker 6: I won't even say what it was, but happened this morning.

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Speaker 6: I was off to the races and nobody'd ask for

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Speaker 6: my help. And so I think there is something there

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Speaker 6: for us in surrender, in control. You're just talking about

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Speaker 6: miss Jackson. If you're nasty in learning how to show

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Speaker 6: up and where the trauma might be in people not

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Speaker 6: maybe showing up for us, and so we're trying to

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Speaker 6: always talk about it. Okay, maybe I like that as

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Speaker 6: a mini but.

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Speaker 3: I can rock with it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew, you're going.

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Speaker 6: To start as soon as you many can only take

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Speaker 6: breaks when you're talking. You're gonna start stop telling that

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Speaker 6: we all ignoreak serious, Okay? Sometimes this ship fil a buster.

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Speaker 6: You have made your point, and you were making a

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Speaker 6: second or a third or ninth point, and we just

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Speaker 6: got to go to break.

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Speaker 1: They literally putting up a science say let's go to break.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's break. Now it's okay.

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Speaker 6: Can I just say break? You break your glasses for

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Speaker 6: our viewers.

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Speaker 1: Our mini pods drop every Monday, so please tune into

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Speaker 1: this mini pod because it's not going to be totally political,

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Speaker 1: even though I do think there's a political element to it.

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Speaker 1: So I love this topic and I'm looking forward to talk.

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Speaker 6: Andrew's going to start case he doesn't think that he

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Speaker 6: gets to talk about how and.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you start us off with your CTA.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, start us off, Andrew, Please, I.

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Speaker 3: Like one plan.

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Speaker 5: If you're in Florida and any of the forty or

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Speaker 5: sold states. I hope you are making preparation. This is Thursday.

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Speaker 5: Impacts expected today and uh be safe. Everybody be safe.

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Speaker 5: I like you.

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Speaker 6: Mine is to please look up the names of other

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Speaker 6: people who are similarly situated to Marcellus Williams TIFFs, tears,

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Speaker 6: Andrew's tears, our heart Regie moments today should not be

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Speaker 6: in vain. We should remember the names of these folks,

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Speaker 6: and we should motivate and work to support them long

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Speaker 6: before we're requesting a stay of execution. What is our

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Speaker 6: responsibility to these folks who are on death row and

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Speaker 6: should not be We shouldn't. I don't think we should

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Speaker 6: even have death row, which is probably.

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Speaker 3: Another mini pod but chet project.

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Speaker 6: Oh yes, thank you AG. That's such a good shout

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Speaker 6: and shout out to Barry Sheck. We love you, Barry.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Barry Shack. And can we thumbtact that because I

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Speaker 1: like the death row, so I think we should. Nick,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening, make a note. We want to add definity.

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Speaker 1: I'll be quick with mine. My CTA is President Fay.

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Speaker 1: He is the youngest elected leader in Africa. He is

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Speaker 1: the newly elected president of Senegal, and I was reading

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Speaker 1: a profile on him. He hasn't done a lot of

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Speaker 1: Western media, but I was reading a profile on him

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Speaker 1: and he said something which I thought was really interesting,

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Speaker 1: and that is, by twenty fifty, Africa's population will likely

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Speaker 1: be nearly two point five billion, which will account for

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Speaker 1: an estimated one of every four people on the planet.

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Speaker 1: I just think that's a we are the global majority.

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Speaker 1: I just think that is a really fascinating statistic. But

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Speaker 1: he also said something else about just the world on

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Speaker 1: how they deal with Africa, and he made the point

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Speaker 1: that Africa is hardly responsible for climate change, yet when

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Speaker 1: emissions from the developed world causes polar ice caps to

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Speaker 1: mel the repercussions are felt on our shores. And he

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Speaker 1: railed against the injustice of rich nations continuing to use

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Speaker 1: coal while refusing the finance fossil fuel projects and developing

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Speaker 1: countries on the continent. So I just, honestly, I saw

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Speaker 1: him and thought he was fine, and I read the

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Speaker 1: profile and I learned all this stuff and was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: he's forty four, which makes him he is in my

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Speaker 1: age range of dating if I.

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Speaker 6: Don't know if he wants at the NB anyway, And

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Speaker 6: This is what you call a shade field plug. There's

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Speaker 6: not a shameless plug about this moment. This is shame.

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Speaker 6: I just thrown herself to an African president on the rescue.

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Speaker 3: Today. Welcome, What are the takes? How many days did

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Speaker 3: the election?

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Speaker 1: I think it's forty one days to the election.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's forty by the time the.

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Speaker 1: Party a forty days to election. Forty days.

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Speaker 6: A welcome night in a lifetime before Tip throws herself

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Speaker 6: at the mercy of another big guy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for joining the Natives attention of with the

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Speaker 13: info and all of the latest regulum and cross connected

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Speaker 13: to the statements that you leave on our socials. Thank

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Speaker 13: you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice is clear.

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Speaker 5: So grateful it took the execute roles.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for serve, defend and protect the truth even

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Speaker 13: in case.

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Speaker 3: We welcome home to all of the Natives. We thank you.

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