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Speaker 1: This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely

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Speaker 1: bug bitten and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: We used to my old man had um, you know,

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Speaker 1: So we just go down and catch a few and

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Speaker 1: glad here. Do you mind if you touch on a

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Speaker 1: few things before we start talking to you, please? Okay? Uh,

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Speaker 1: another point to raise. Be honest, you know how you

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Speaker 1: burning precious time. I'm worrying about that. Check this out.

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Speaker 1: A guy rode in. He was at the grocery store

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Speaker 1: a disagreement with the meat purveyor about are you talking

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Speaker 1: at one point in time she even groped on her

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Speaker 1: but that she registered confusion, point being this is not

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Speaker 1: just the thing that comes down to turkey hunters. Parker.

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Speaker 1: smoking a half. But I think it's slang. I think

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Speaker 1: what I hope the court says. But in the back

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Speaker 1: way I'm tipping? Is it an us versus them? Yeah? Right?

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Speaker 1: never heard of a fist. Yeah an he wore and yeah,

427
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: also out of Jerry Clower as fastest war overalls with

428
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: no shirt beneath it. And you know what you said

429
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: another thing. Did you tell me that? Yeah, and another

430
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: thing you told me that it was funny because we're

431
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: about the same age. You're in your early forties. Um,

432
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: I guess I'm approaching mid now forty four. But you

433
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: mentioned like when those maglights came out, they were like

434
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: baseball bats, and people thought they were so we thought

435
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: it was like, uh, like it was. It was like

436
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: a revolutionized being out at night, right when those big

437
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: you put those three or four big D cell batteries

438
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: into a magalit and you thought you were invincible. Man,

439
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: Now you can have a flashlight the size of your

440
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: index finger that throws a bigger beam than that. I remember,

441
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: like the one thing that everybody wanted. It was like,

442
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: for five years in a row, the only thing anyone

443
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: got for Christmas was a D cell mag late. They

444
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: just got longer and longer. Man. You did install the

445
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: little holster in your car. Yep, I had that holster. Yeah,

446
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: you could screw into your dashboard truck a thing that

447
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: held your light there. And they had that rubber ring

448
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: you could put on your waist belt and they got

449
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: longer to the point they were like baseball bats, and

450
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: policemen carried them around. Maglite was tearing it up and

451
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: then they got like something happened to him. I don't know, man,

452
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: They weighed six pounds and yeah, load everything up and

453
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: you got the mag oh yeah, like running traps and

454
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: like everything. It was different when Maglay came on the scene. Yeah,

455
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: big and you get in your stocking like you get

456
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: that light and you're stocking just be full of decl bad.

457
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: That's like a whole era. Man. God, people got excited

458
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: about those, so um yeah, and tell the kind of dog.

459
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: He got a little bit about the dogs lineage, not

460
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: that particular dogs linneys, but the breed you know, and

461
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: what occur in a feist and all that is. So

462
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: there's two main I mean there's a lot of different

463
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: dogs that are tree squirrels. I mean I'm seeing black

464
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: labs tree squirrels, but reliably, no, not reliably. You know,

465
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: they're not bread to do that. But you get one

466
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: every once in a while that'll that'll tree a squirrel.

467
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: But mostly the tree dogs are the you know, a

468
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: blue any of the in any of the coon hounds

469
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: with tree squirrels and some guys so Walker, red Bone. Yeah,

470
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: they're all tree squirrels. Why don't squirrel men use them

471
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: because they're a lot rangier and they want to run

472
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: and trail on the ground and put something up a tree. Now,

473
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: a lot of squirrel men do use um, some of

474
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: those hounds, some of those bigger hounds. It just depends

475
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: on what. Um. When you say a ranger, you mean

476
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: they're running out too far. Yeah, they want to run far.

477
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: You know. The squirrel dogs generally stay a little closer,

478
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: check back in with you. You know, the curs and

479
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: the fists, I'll go out and run a little circle. Um.

480
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: They use their eyes as well as their nose a

481
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: little bit more than a hound will. A hound is

482
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: just nose to the ground, kind of trail up a tree,

483
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: bark tree. So there's these These dogs are um bread

484
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: for small game hunting and chase. And the one I

485
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: have is is a cur called a tree and cur um.

486
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: And it's because of the size um this particular this

487
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: particular dog. The fice dogs are a little bit smaller

488
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: like um. You hear a lot of people like Jack

489
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: Russell's treeing squirrels. I think people try those. That's that's

490
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: kind of like a feist size. These curves can get

491
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: get pretty pretty big. You know him, And it's a

492
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: it's a measurement at the shoulder, measurement at the shoulder

493
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: to distinguish a fight from a cur fights being the

494
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: smallest in years is like one size up right right,

495
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: So mine would be a small curve. And when if

496
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: someone goes to get one of these, how do you

497
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: go about getting one? And how much does it cost

498
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: to get one? The gentleman that I got my squirrel

499
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: dog from charges two hundred dollars, and he always has

500
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: and I think he probably always will just because it's

501
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: squirrel man on her code. He's not in it to

502
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 1: make money. He's in it to produce high quality squirrel

503
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: dogs and give them the squirrel hunters. And you know

504
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: this his life's passion. That's what he does. And you

505
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: were you were actually mentioned to me that you heard

506
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: of somebody selling the squirrel dog for like twenty grand

507
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: or something. I heard that a squirrel dog has fetched. Man,

508
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: I would like, but I think, but this is this

509
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: is the competition squirrel dog. And I didn't verify this,

510
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: but I heard it from from a very reliable source

511
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: that there has been a case of a single squirrel

512
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: dog selling for that. But I think it's an anomaly, right,

513
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: it would have to be. It'd be like saying, hey,

514
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: how much does a car cost? And then you talk

515
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: about how much a car costs, You're like, oh, you

516
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: can get you know, most sedans with this, and then

517
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: some guys like, oh, one time a car sold for it. Right, Yeah,

518
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: that isn't like, it's not really relevant. I kind of

519
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: want to meet the man who paid twenty dollars for

520
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: a squirrel dog, because that must be a heck of

521
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: a good squirrel man. I got a feeling he's doing

522
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: something besides squirrel hunt. I think he came into some

523
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: came into some money somewhere along the way, so two

524
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: d bucks. And this dude doesn't want you're saying to that,

525
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: this guy, he won't like if you said, I just

526
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: like the looks of that dog. I just wanted for

527
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: a house dog. He's not interested. He's not really interested

528
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: in that. He wants them in the hands of squirrel hunters. Absolutely,

529
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: he produces high quality squirrel dogs. Not saying I have

530
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: a great dog, but he he's had some good dogs

531
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: with great lineage, and he's known in that part of

532
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: the country for having really good squirrel dogs and his

533
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: breed comes out if you were saying, kind of comes

534
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: out of Alabama or his type of dog Alabama. Right,

535
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: that's where he is. And and you know, I don't

536
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak to the man's lineage of

537
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: where he got all of his dogs, but I know

538
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: some of it's out of that, you know, East Tennessee,

539
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: Western North Carolina, Smokey Mountain area. Um. And he has

540
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: his own own line of squirrel dogs that he's worked

541
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: hard to develop. What uh growing up? How old when

542
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: you got your first squirrel dog? Um? I was. I

543
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: wasn't too young. I was maybe in high school, ninth grade,

544
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: ninth grade maybe grade maybe, And it was kind of

545
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: it was kind of a um. It was you know,

546
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: we knew guys that that had squirrel dogs. We've been

547
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: hunting with them before. But we had a somebody gave

548
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: us a dog that was half cur half feist, and

549
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: we didn't do anything. We actually had him to as

550
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: a hog dog. Right. It's kind of just a mixed up, old,

551
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: nasty looking dog. And we'd take them hog hunting and

552
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: turn them loosen here and off and tree squirrels and

553
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: all the other dogs. He was like he wasn't interested

554
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: in hogs. He wanted to and my brother and I

555
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: were like, hey, man, we're into something. Um. You know,

556
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: we'd always squirrel hunted, you know, from the time we

557
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: were little bitty kids. We'd always squirrel hunted hard. But

558
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: it was early season hickories and slipping around this time

559
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: of year, you know. But we got into the squirrel

560
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 1: dog again. Man, we took off. We've had one ever since.

561
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: Did you have to train your dog or is it

562
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: like out of the box ready to go as somebody

563
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: else was asking this question. And you know, the different

564
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: dog breeds are kind of bread. They want to do

565
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: their thing. Like a retriever. If you get a tennis

566
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: ball in the yard and throw it and throw it

567
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: and throw it, he wants to bring it back. Now,

568
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: the difference between a yard dog that will fetch a

569
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: tennis ball and a good duck dog, you know, day

570
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: and night. So you work with them a little bit,

571
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: but they, you know, the instinct to do that activity

572
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: is in them. When you when he's treated. When a

573
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: squirrel dog goes out and trees a squirrel, you think

574
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: that he normally needs the death squirrel has come down

575
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: and hit the ground right unless he just catches a

576
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: glimpse of it or hears it or whatever. But typically

577
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: he's knows of the ground and he finds where a

578
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: squirrel is hit the ground. Is he like a rabbit

579
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: beagle where he can run that trail back and forth

580
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: and tell which direction the squirrel went. Yes, And you

581
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: can see when the dogs working sometimes it'll go up

582
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: a tree, look up it, maybe stay, maybe go off

583
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: and check all the trees around, and then come back

584
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: in tree on that tree, um, and then identify that

585
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: that that the squirrels in there. Now, we had several

586
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: run and you could tell um I was telling. You said,

587
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: the squirrels on the ground and the dog. You can

588
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: see that the high yipping people kind of like a beagle.

589
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: And then up the tree the squirrel goes. And then

590
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: you hear that tree bark that repentitve and then you

591
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: know what's in the tree. And then there's a sound

592
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: he makes when you know that he's seen the squirrel. Yeah,

593
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: that's the Yeah, that's the squeal. You know, just that

594
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: I cannot contain myself noise, and it's different every time,

595
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: you know, And you said, and I can tell that

596
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: the dog has seen the squirrel. It's it's the squeal bark.

597
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't take it. Noise. Yeah, it's

598
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: funny because all the noises he makes, you know, the

599
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: noise that he makes for he doesn't know what's going on. Right,

600
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: that's she Ruby? Man. Since Hunt with that Dog, I've

601
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: got that song stuck in my head, that old Kenny

602
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: Rogers song, Don't Take your Love to Town, where it's

603
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: a guy that uh went off and got sent off

604
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: the Vietnam and got paralyzed and came home and can't

605
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: satisfy all of his woman's needs. And he understands the

606
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: wants and needs of a woman her age, but she

607
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: goes into town at night and he's imploring her to

608
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: not take her love into town. I remember, and he says,

609
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: if I could move, I'd get my gun and I'd

610
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: put her in the ground. Just a hurtful song. Man.

611
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: I had that song stuck in my head since Hunt

612
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: with that Dog, Ruby. Where was that going with that?

613
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh yeah, So you're out hunting the

614
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: dogs making all these noises, and it makes some noises

615
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: where you just think that it's it's just it's just something.

616
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: It senses, something's going on. There's something that goes on,

617
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: and you're listening, and I'm watching you listen, and you're

618
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: saying it's chasing one. There's sort of a noncommittal kind

619
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: of hay, this might be the tree. There's a this

620
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: is the tree, and then there's this is the tree.

621
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: And not only that, but I have seen it in

622
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: the tree. I have seen the squirrel hurry come now. Yeah,

623
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: And that's when you run through the woods. And then okay,

624
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: this is the hard thing that you don't really know.

625
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 1: It's in the dog's head. But how can it tell?

626
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: Like if you picture pictures, you're sitting in the woods

627
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: watching squirrels, and squirrel comes along, comes down a tree,

628
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: spirals down a tree, hits the ground, runs fifty yards

629
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: and spiles up another tree. It surprises me that the

630
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: dog can tell that the scent on one end of

631
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: that is older than the scent on the other end

632
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: of it. But unless what help might help answer it

633
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: is what is the time stamp on a scent that

634
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: will interest that dog in the evening? Is it running

635
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: a morning cent? No? So it's deal. It deals in fresh.

636
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: It deals in fresh, fresher than like a hound wood,

637
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: a hound some of those hounds can get take very

638
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: old tracks. The squirrel dogs work on fresher yea, yeah,

639
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: within you know, I think within minutes. I got you,

640
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: because a lion hound he'll go out to work an

641
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: eight hour old track. But a lion hound can't tell

642
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: you what way the line went, is dealing in just

643
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: faint residual order and can't make and can't say like

644
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,959
Speaker 1: relative to fifty yards over there, This scent is newer here,

645
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: and so when a lion hounds running a line, he

646
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: might be running the wrong direction. You gotta find a

647
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: track to verify the line of travel. What it makes

648
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: sense because you know squirrel's home ranges. I don't know

649
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: the actual answer to that, but I'm gonna guess. You know,

650
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: come a hundred very yards right, lions going you know,

651
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: ten miles. So yeah, I bet you a day in

652
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: day out activities, the squirrel uses an acre ground. What

653
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: would you think? Yeah, I think so that's fair. Probably

654
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: moves according to the sea like seasonal movements, of course,

655
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: of course, I always it's really interesting you mentioned that,

656
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: because given the opportunity, I would want to be able

657
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: to have the sense of smell that a dog has

658
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: just to see what that's like, Like, wow, a deer

659
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: ran through here and I know what that is, or

660
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: a squirrel ran up this tree, or you know, the

661
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: sensory overload must be amazing for a dog to be

662
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: able to pick that out. Yeah, you step into a

663
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: dog's head running through the woods for a minute to

664
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: be like, oh, so this is what it's experiencing. You

665
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: can't know because, like you know, we'll go out. You'll

666
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: go out and you'll get a whiff. You think, oh,

667
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: it's smell something rotten somewhere, or I smell elk, like

668
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: elk had been here. But really you're just not you know,

669
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: we got we got our eyes and we got our ears, right,

670
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: And then you think that that his nose is more

671
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: important to him than those two things. It's really hard

672
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: to pictures seeing the world that way. Yeah it is.

673
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: And if you watch anybody's dog, if you watch your dog,

674
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: it could be youth what you think asleep and watch

675
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: its nose work. I mean it's senses things with his nose.

676
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: I think that dog's nose, or maybe many animals, is

677
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: their number one sense. Ours would be our eyes. I

678
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's full factory for animals, and

679
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: your dog does use its ears because it knows the

680
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: word squirrel, and you need to be careful to not

681
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: say squirrel around that dog or let it see a

682
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: squirrel when driving down the road. Yeah, we're driving to

683
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: the hunt spot and a squirrel ran out on the

684
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: road and you quickly reach back and blindfolded the dog

685
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: with your hand for fear that it would see that squirrel.

686
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: What happens, don't you see? If you will look at

687
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: the dashboard of my truck, you will see the claw

688
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: marks and the nose slobber on the windshield. From the inside,

689
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: and she barks loud. You know, you hear outside, but

690
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: inside the car it's a deafening sound and it's repetitive

691
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: and fast, and yeah, I can't make her be quiet.

692
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: It's something I think that even I've only been on

693
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: three or four dogs squirrel hunts. But like it takes

694
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: them getting used to, you know, you, Like I can

695
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: see my dad being annoyed me having to be like, look,

696
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: it's just like after a while, three or four days,

697
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: it's just normal right at dogs is going there and

698
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: it's like a part of it. But at first it's

699
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: a little jarring to be in the woods with something

700
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: that loud, except at home when I'm at home and

701
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: there's a yard squirrel and she goes to barking entree

702
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: and at it. I know that's what she's wanted, what

703
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: she wants to do, and I have her, but it

704
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: annoys me to the ins degree. It really does. Like

705
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: barking dogs be quiet. So when we struck out from

706
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: the little parking area there on Mark Twain National Forest, Um,

707
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: hold on, I got another question. So at home because

708
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about going squirrel dog hound for our first family.

709
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: You lived two hours away from squirrel hunting, I know,

710
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: but just now because I was reading up about some

711
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: curR stuff and there's a bunch of different cur type

712
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: dogs and and there are a lot of them are

713
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: very versatile. You know. They can they can run cougar

714
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: tracks and squirrels. They can defend your family from uh

715
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: from what cougars bears? Um, dude, I don't you've been

716
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: you've been to my house lately? You know a little

717
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: kids run around. Man, if they're a hundred yards away

718
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: from yeah, like notify you sure or yeah, give my

719
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: kids a chance to trick and not get eaten. Like

720
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: it's it is a slight possibility in my house. I

721
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: called in the bull moose on Yanni's property. Yeah, I

722
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: almost got your kids or your kids thought there. My

723
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: kid did not like that. Man. That bowl came in

724
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: hot and you've seen that. He'd seen video and you

725
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: get charged by a moose and that's what was running

726
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: through his head. Yeah, he got nervous man. All right.

727
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: So but so here's medal. Yeah, I'm two hours away

728
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: from good squirrel hunting, but I've got a pile of

729
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: pine squirrels right like thirty yards from my house. Have

730
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: you ever tried that? Am I gonna be able to

731
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: train my dog to say, don't worry about those squirrels.

732
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: We want fox squirrels are gray squirrels. It's a delicate

733
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: balance when the dog first starts traying, you're gonna you're

734
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: gonna have to shoot those things down. You can't tell

735
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: it not to do that, and you can eat them.

736
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: They're not bad. Yeah, so you're gonna have They're not

737
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: great like a gray squirrel or fox squirl. You're saying

738
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: they're super small, it's just small. It's like there, you know,

739
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: bigger than chipmunk, smaller. They sit right between a chipmunk

740
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: and a gray squirrel and people say they taste like

741
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: up in tye or piney. It's just a squirrel meat.

742
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: So it's I'm gonna put a couple into the crock pot.

743
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: In the next week or two, I'm gonna bring back some. Um.

744
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: I'll give you some notes down like what I've done

745
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: with those things that I just put them in a

746
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: crock pot, braised them down, Pick the meat, season the meat,

747
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: put it on a taco, put it on a tortilla. Delicious.

748
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: It's just his meat, right, could be people, cat, could

749
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: be anything in there. When you do it like that,

750
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: it just tastes like meat. Yeah, it's just a taco.

751
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: No one in the world would come over you serve

752
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: that too, and they're gonna be like pine squirrel, It

753
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: just isn't you know? You could just take up pine

754
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting. Yeah, why not? That's you would be the

755
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 1: first guy I think. But here's the thing though, here's

756
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: the problem with that is it's not that helpful and

757
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: pine where pine squirrels live in the kind of trees

758
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: they live in, noe, what tree he in is in

759
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: isn't very helpful unless the dog could pressure him into

760
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: a tree that he didn't want to be in because

761
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: if he goes to his preferred tree, the density of

762
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: these trees, he goes up some big mature for or whatever.

763
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: The density the home trees are so big and so

764
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: dense and they go so high. That's like it's not

765
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: that helpful. Yeah, to know where he is up there,

766
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: you need minoculars. Yeah, you need a chainsaw, or like

767
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Jerry Clower wanted. Jerry Clower's stories, the guy that has

768
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: the rack, the monkey that he hunts with, and he says,

769
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: the monkey up in trees with a flashlight and the

770
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: pistol if you had if you had a monkey like that,

771
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: you'd be in business. Um, well, you know, here's our

772
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: quick question. Long was on the subject because my kids

773
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: sorely want a dog, and I sorely don't want them

774
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: to have a dog. But if I do get one

775
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: for him, I want to serve my purposes as well.

776
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: What are the chances that you'd have an ace squirrel

777
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: slash cotton tail dog very high? The litter mate to

778
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: Ruby is a really good cotton tail and squirrel dog.

779
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: So much something's got to sacrifice though, right, There's like

780
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: there's no way it's great at both? Or is this

781
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: dog great at both? The gentleman who has this dog

782
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: is a retired gentleman who hunts every day. And those dogs,

783
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: like your honest was saying, are really versatile. And any

784
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: dog you get him in the field day after day

785
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: after day and and they pick up what you're going after. Um,

786
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's the you know it's a good

787
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: dog both. I take it either way. But you know

788
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: how a beagle runs a rabbit Like not that he

789
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: runs rabbit. It's like a rabbit runs a loop. Yea,

790
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: when the rabbit spoon, he's gonna run a loop, go

791
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: out and he's gonna come back to his home, his

792
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: safe spot, his home spot. And that's you hunt with

793
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: a beagle. Is the beagle starts to trail and you

794
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: just get two to the somewhere on the circumference of

795
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: the loop and wait because he's just gonna do his

796
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: loop and come by. Now. Will will of squirrel dog

797
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: run that loop with him? Or does he just kind

798
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: of function as a flushing dog. From what I've seen,

799
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: the squirrel dog's running around and when it jumps a rabbit,

800
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: it'll run it, and it runs it a lot faster

801
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: than a bagle wheel. And I think it's it may

802
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: be head up, just getting the getting the scent behind

803
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: the red slow as dogs short legs didn't do anything quick. Yeah,

804
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: with with the with the curve feist dog, it's generally

805
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: a pretty quick loop. Yeah. You know. We used to

806
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: have a lab that we wheel as our wall, her

807
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: foul duck dog, and it was very good. I mean

808
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: it's something. This dog would pull ducks out of eighteen

809
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: inches of water all the time. Man pick up the

810
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: scent on the surface and stick its head down there

811
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: and find that thing. It bring you ducks to other

812
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: guys killed. You go on the swamp, you won't even

813
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: have fired the shot yet the dog be standing there

814
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: with a duck. So it was a great dog. But

815
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: we would take a cotton tail hunting and she would

816
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: just be a good flusher because she knew the story,

817
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: she knew what was going on, and would go into

818
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: likely patches of cover that you didn't want to go into,

819
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: and she hunted close and would just kick up rabbits.

820
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: It would have never been a million years occurred to

821
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: that dog to chase. It just flushed. And one time,

822
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: the one time I can think that it saw a

823
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: rabbit and chase it. My buddy shot the rabbit, and

824
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: later in the day I was one of when my

825
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: dog was bleeding out of her nose, and I pinched

826
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: her nose and squirted the shotgun pellett out of her nose,

827
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: but no one would fast up. So she was chasing

828
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: the clothes enough at some point in time where she

829
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: caught stray pellet. You know. Yeah, but that's an interesting thing. Man.

830
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: If I could get one, the guy you know that

831
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: has the one that does both, what would he sell

832
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: that dog for my hand? I don't know that he'd

833
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: sell it. How old is it? It's rubies literally three years?

834
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: And how many years can you get out of one?

835
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: On the squirrel dogs, they can get old, um man.

836
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: You can hunt them for twelve fourteen years, they start

837
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: slowing down. No any dog when he gets that age slowed,

838
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: but it'll treat him. Yeah, so you could like your dogs.

839
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: Three and it's already a crack hound. It's coming along, dude,

840
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: the dog just coming along. When we're on the ones,

841
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: that dog spends more time barking up a tree than

842
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: it does anything else. It finds squirrel after squirrel after

843
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: squirrel after squirrel some days. So we we strike we

844
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: strike off, we strike off from the parking spot. My

845
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: first question to you was, so who is in charge? Right,

846
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: it's O the dog. We're somewhat in charge the dogs

847
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: hunting for us. We're not hunting free it, um, So

848
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: we can direct it in a direction. But I generally

849
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: try to hunt into the wind because the dog naturally

850
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: wants to work into the wind. Um. So I kind

851
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: of think about that, and you might even park your

852
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: truck accordingly, or I do, and just because she will

853
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: naturally drift that way. And so if you think about that,

854
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: it makes for a little easier hunt. Then you can

855
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: call it. And unlike a hound, those those smaller curves

856
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: and fast, they'll they'll respond to you call them off,

857
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, like a big hound. Sometimes you put them

858
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: on a track and man, they're gone. The stopping point

859
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: is who knows where? And then you got like GPS

860
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: collars and they're in some other county and you're driving

861
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: around all night trying to find them. Right, so those

862
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: dogs will stay within earshot and and they're bread to

863
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: come check back in with you every once in a while. Yeah,

864
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: your dog is very responsive to your whistle right where

865
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: you can call it off a tree. Yeah. And and

866
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: that's that's because is oftentimes when you stay with the

867
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: dog enough and you whistle to it, it it knows you

868
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: want it and you're gonna put it on something to

869
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: do something, you know what I mean, Like, Uh, well,

870
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: I guess we'll get to it. But uh a squirrel

871
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: to hit the ground and you go over there and

872
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: it's not there. You need to call the dog over

873
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: to trailer squirrel up to see where we went. And

874
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: and you know, once it figures that out, it'll come

875
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: to you. So what was going on that first morning?

876
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: We hunted? Because your dog must have treated a dozen times. Yeah,

877
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: So part of it was the squirrel gods, and we

878
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: got one. It must have treated a dozen times or

879
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: more and we got one. Yeah, but a lot of

880
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: some of that wash roll of the dice too, because

881
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: several of them were giving us a slip. We saw

882
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: some more we couldn't get shots at. I missed one, Yeah,

883
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: you missed one. And and so I don't know had

884
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: we killed what we saw? We'd had four or five

885
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: and what end up with one of the first day,

886
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: first of all, we got one, and then last night,

887
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: we go out for a third of the time and

888
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: get nine right, do we have any getaway? Last night

889
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: after we watched him for tween this when the tree

890
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: right into a hole, and I told you, like when

891
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: they hit the ground running, they are going to a spot.

892
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: They're not blindly running. That squirrel be line. He knows

893
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: his turf, right, he knows his turf. We had a

894
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: bear bio just in one time who was talking about

895
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: doing some research. Was what state was he doing that

896
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: black bear research? In North Carolina? And he finds that

897
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: black bears Tennessee. That's right in this particular area where

898
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: he was doing his work. Black bears then twenty feet

899
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: up in trees, in hollow trees, which raises the question

900
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: how many trees have a black bear sized cavity twenty

901
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: ft up? Not many? And how they ever get to where? Right?

902
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: How they ever get to knowing those cavities. And I

903
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: think what he's saying that was typically in chestnuts. It

904
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: was a masked I can't remember what I had to

905
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: go read this to it. It It was a mask They

906
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: typically denned in a mast producing tree. And the only

907
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 1: thing you can think is that they're going up there

908
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: they're climbing into these things to harvest mass crops, and

909
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: they're taking no, oh wow, there's a large cavity that

910
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: I will come back two months from now and utilizes

911
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: a denning site. Because how would you ever have that

912
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: level of spatial awareness. It's like they're not operating on

913
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: just like stupidly going through the woods climbing trees. Yeah,

914
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 1: you're right. When a squirrel bee lines off on the ground,

915
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: he's like, I know a place that I can fit into,

916
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: and this a going ass thing behind me. Cannot get

917
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: can't fit into it, right, And then he goes into

918
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: a into a hole with a two and a half

919
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: inch four inch diameter orifice. That's not a word you

920
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: get to use very much in a way like in

921
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: this kind of conversation. Orifice. No, it's a nice word

922
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: I haven't used in days. So he goes into the orifice. Um.

923
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,479
Speaker 1: A lot of the squirrels we lost on our first

924
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: day out would be the dogs treeing. Do you guys

925
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: use bathe or is that just something more for hounds?

926
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: We use the word tree, and if it's up a tree,

927
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: bade would indicate to me on the ground, Oh more

928
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: so than in a tree. So there he is treed,

929
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: and you go and right away you look in fifteen

930
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: feet up the tree whatever, they're just like a squirrel

931
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: nod hole. And then you know where that squirrel went.

932
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: You say, they sometimes will pass the whole by. Sometimes

933
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: they will, and you will let's go. Oh no, there

934
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: he is fifteen ft above it in a crotch, trying

935
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: to hide like he passed it up. He passed it up.

936
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: But you know what I've seen in the past hunting deer.

937
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: I've seen a squirrel try to go in a hole

938
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: and then another squirrel come out and kick his ass,

939
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: not his hole. Yeah, And I've seen a mink fight

940
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: a squirrel through the squirrels hole. Wow. Ye. The mink

941
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: was trying to go in the hole to raid the

942
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: young and the squirrel is at the entrance to the hole,

943
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: fighting so voraciously that the mink is giving here a

944
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: mink screech. The mink is screeching, and they're dueling it

945
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: out at the hole. So it could be that he

946
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: goes in, gets his ass kicked and then has to

947
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: shoot up and being a less than optimum position. Yeah,

948
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: the squirrels like no room at the end. Bro right,

949
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's the offspring of the squirrel that's

950
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: in that hole. Oh, that squirrel knows that holes there,

951
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: but he's not welcome, not welcome anymore. They'd be like,

952
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: like you see the your your kid's car coming down

953
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: the driveway with cops behind him. He's locked it over.

954
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: So that happens, and then there's nothing that happens is

955
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: you guys call it treat out. Jerry Clower calls it

956
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: tap in the tree. But it be that the squirrel

957
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: dog is on the ground and he's like a squirrel

958
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: cross through here. He's going this way to this way,

959
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: and he went up this tree. But the dog, unless

960
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: he saw it or heard it, he has no way

961
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: to know what the squirrel did after he went back

962
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: into his arboreal environment. Exactly. There in lies the problem.

963
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: They're in lies a big problem because I noticed, you

964
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: know how Yani's really good at spot and squirrels. Well,

965
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: let me tell you why. It's not that he's good

966
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: at it. It's not that he's good at it. Here's

967
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: what I figured out. Here's what I figured out. In

968
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: his role as a producer. He know, he understands his

969
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: role as a producer, and he's there observing, and he's

970
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: got camera guys doing their job. A squirrel bayze up there,

971
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: the tree, dog trees, squirrel dog trees, ridge pounders with

972
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: his camera with me. Michael's with his camera with you,

973
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: not bleeding, not bleeding because he's not pushing through briars hard, Seth.

974
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: Have you said anything yet, Seth? You did say something

975
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: earlier about how I was too steep to get built out.

976
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, yeah. Your theory about how Idah holds

977
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: these hunts that that's fine man, that you can steer.

978
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: Everybody want to Idaho, I don't care. So, uh, Seth's

979
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: got a camera. He's trying to look up in the

980
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: tree tops to find this world. I look at what

981
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: you're doing, and I watch your line of approach, and

982
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do one a d off your line

983
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: of approach. So if you imagine there's the tree, and

984
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: then you have a circle around the tree, you want

985
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: one guy in each side of the tree, because if

986
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: you both stand on one side of the tree, the

987
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: squirrel is just gonna squirt around and paste his body

988
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: up against the other side of the tree and hide.

989
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: And so you gotta get one guy in each side.

990
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: To try to make it move, and then if he moves,

991
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: everybody's got a chance to see him. So we're doing that,

992
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: and I move into shotgun range and I get on

993
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: my side and you're on your side, and we've got

994
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: the camera guys, and Yanni can't crowd the action, right,

995
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: he needs to stay clear of the action. So in

996
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: one and wonder how is he spotting so many damn

997
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: squirrels getting away? It's because he's getting back enough right

998
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: where he's not looking in the one tree that the

999
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: dog smelled the squirrel going to. He's looking in the

1000
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: three or four trees in the cluster girls actually in

1001
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: because the squirrel probably tapped the tree. So I later yesterday,

1002
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: after wondering like why he was so on fire and

1003
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: feeling and feeling inflamed with jealousy, thinking about maybe should

1004
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: giving him a dick change in him right, just not

1005
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: because I'm so annoyed, I'm like, you know what, I'm

1006
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: gonna stand back like this too and taking the big

1007
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: view because the dog knows the tree, but these trees,

1008
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: the spacing on him isn't great. And I think a

1009
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: lot of times, yeah, he went up and very smoothly

1010
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: just hid in the next tree, and so you can't

1011
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: just looking his tree. No, it's the grouping of trees,

1012
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: the periphery. Yeah, and that's how you pick off squirrels.

1013
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: Don't run into the crop, don't run into the stump

1014
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: looking up, stand back and get the view right, because

1015
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: nothing that would happen is And you brought this up.

1016
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: The squrel eventually get overwhelmed with anxiety, have to move.

1017
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: I can't take it in. It could be six seven

1018
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: minutes into staring up there, like your stay up there

1019
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: and you do not see the squirrel. He's gone and

1020
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: you're ready to wander off, and all of sudden, honest

1021
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: hooting and hollering about there he goes, goes because of

1022
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: the anxiety got to him and he panicked. Yeah, although

1023
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: I might be observing like more of the periphering, I

1024
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: might have less blinders on. No, no, no, I think

1025
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: that you know, we killed nine, And be careful not

1026
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: to be fulled by coincidence, because remember, there's like more

1027
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: than two sides to a tree. If you two are

1028
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: covering two angles, I'm gonna go to the angle that

1029
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: you guys can't see. And the coincidence was that all

1030
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden you know, he popped up on that

1031
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: side and you know I saw him. I don't know, man,

1032
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: your spot at they have squirrels. If we did, if

1033
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: there was a hundred and I had pulled ninety of them,

1034
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: then I okay we had to, you know, say a shirt.

1035
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think it was a market difference.

1036
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: You see, spotted a lot of squirrels. That spotted something too,

1037
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: and he spotted a lot of squirrels not in the

1038
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: tree we're looking in right that. I learned a real

1039
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: lesson there. Man. It's different this time of year because

1040
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the canopies so much. You know, you

1041
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: can scan those that periphery of trees when there's no

1042
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: canopy and the leaves are down pretty easy, you know,

1043
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: and you you get to know where they are. And

1044
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: the difference is now there's just because there's leaves, they

1045
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: go to the same spots. I noticed, like, what is

1046
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: it different? But no, they go to the same spots

1047
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: in the tree, but you just can't pick them out. Well, no,

1048
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: because they use different trees different ways. A hickory. Seth

1049
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: explained what the doing a hickory because we saw it

1050
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: twice last night. We had to find him with binoculars.

1051
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: They were going all the way up to the top,

1052
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: tippy tippy tippy tops because the leaves are so thick

1053
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: on a hickory. They'd climbed that hickory till they're on

1054
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 1: the final twig and lay up there in the thick,

1055
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: thick leaves And okay, it wouldn't work because you'd pick

1056
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: them off that one that one tree we're about to

1057
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: give up on. Remember I said, I think he's in

1058
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: that hickory, and then you pulled out your glass and

1059
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: found him in the top. Yeah, I'd like you to

1060
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: speak on that a little bit. Can you speak about

1061
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: your transformation? And I always thought it was like a

1062
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: Western big game hungry latest thing, like got my my

1063
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: binknox on my special strap on my chest and I

1064
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: think in my mad like I'll never do that, man um.

1065
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: But honey, yesterday you said we're binoculars. I'm like you

1066
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: even I'll point you mocked me for having my Well

1067
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: you'll notice that the first day we went out SETH

1068
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: and I both we didn't bring him the first day, right,

1069
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: you're the only one, see that rought him, and man like,

1070
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's gonna be too may leads.

1071
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see it's gonna be up close.

1072
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: There's no reason for him and man, it wasn't two

1073
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: squirrels into it. I was kicking myself like that was

1074
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: I was. I was kicking myself at the parking lot.

1075
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to wear him, but Parker, the way he

1076
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: was talking, I was like, yeah. I was like, I

1077
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to disappoint playground bully. Yeah,

1078
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: like you get a new coat in the playground bully, Max,

1079
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: You're so bad you want leaving your locker and go

1080
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: out cold and suffer on the play For me, this

1081
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: is this is my favorite time to like still hunt

1082
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: squirrels and you see him go up a tree and

1083
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: then you got your binoculars. The fun part for me

1084
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: is finding them. I feel I really feel like you

1085
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: were kicking me when I'm down right now, I'm about

1086
01:04:55,040 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: to I'm about to admit I'm going to use but ooculars.

1087
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: Do you own something? Can I send you something? Sure?

1088
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: Are you gonna get the strap? I was running and

1089
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't know about the strap, the harness. Can you

1090
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: got it? Like the front strap? Are you gonna keep

1091
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: him your pocketing. I don't know, you're gonna have to

1092
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: give me like a lesson on what to do, but

1093
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: I will know. You know, we'd come up to a

1094
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: tree and I'm surrounding looking looking, oh say it, and

1095
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: there's an army of dudes with binoculars and somebody goes,

1096
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: got him. I'm going, what you've got him? Yeah? And

1097
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: so I was thinking about it last night. We culled

1098
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: nine last night, and I know, I think four of

1099
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: those we're found with binoculars. The tail like a scroll,

1100
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: doesn't realize he has a tail, right. They don't do

1101
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: a good job concealing. They don't do enough to hide

1102
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: their tail or. It's just a hard thing to hide.

1103
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: Oftentimes I pick out the tail hairs with the light.

1104
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: That's the thing behind it. The light it's off. It's off. Yeah,

1105
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: because he can pace his body against a thing, and

1106
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,479
Speaker 1: like a gray squirrel, particularly on most tree bark, oh,

1107
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: hickory whatever thing, when he when he welds his body

1108
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: to to that bark, it's a hard thing to see.

1109
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: But the flight will always filter through that tail in

1110
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: a in a very distinguishable fashion. Evolution never cleared that

1111
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: up for the squirrel. I don't know what you know,

1112
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: they need it for balance. The tail is really important

1113
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: for balance. I mean, think about how they just run

1114
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: treat a treat, you know, a hundred feet up. I'd

1115
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: like to talk to a physiologist about what all a

1116
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: squirrel gets out of the tail. And I imagine also

1117
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: there's something going on with um signaling. Perhaps if you're

1118
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: watching a squirrel pist in a tree. Yeah, they move

1119
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: their tail a lot when they're barking at you, which

1120
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: heavily hunted squirrels seem to not bark at you. You

1121
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: go out like open day squirrels a bark at you

1122
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: in the woods. Later in the year, when all those

1123
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: squirrels are gone, the ones that are alive don't bark.

1124
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: But when he's barking, he's doing that. He gets in

1125
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: that position where he's like using his tail as like

1126
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: an alert thing, and I think he's clueing other squirrels in.

1127
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: I heard a theory about like why does the white

1128
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: tail dear flag? Why does he put his flag up

1129
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: when he's running? And it will never know? This is

1130
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: the kind of question you like, you can't test the no,

1131
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: but but person that theory about it that when a

1132
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: white tail runs away and he lists that big brush up.

1133
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: You follow it like it's almost like you got it,

1134
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, And so he's like, why would he do that?

1135
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: Because it's so easy to see where it's going. But

1136
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: when he runs and stops and lays it down, the

1137
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: thing that you were paying attention to, like what you I,

1138
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: what you I adjusted to, all of a sudden vanishes

1139
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: and the health the deer perhaps slip away helps the

1140
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: deer switch away, like you see that thing and then

1141
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: that thing goes away and you're focused on that and

1142
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: not that. I think what you can wind up saying

1143
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: about it isn't that that's why he does it. But

1144
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: that's definitely a thing that if you pay attention to

1145
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 1: it and watch it, that's a thing that happens that

1146
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: would be advantageous to the deer. But it could also

1147
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: be that it's it's a display for other deer. Other

1148
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: dear see that, and they know that there's trouble. There's

1149
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: a there's an altruistic quality to it about that. So

1150
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: what else happened between how we went out tree the

1151
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: same in number of squirrels, roughly the same number of squirrels,

1152
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: but got one versus nine? Do they do they Is

1153
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: it an evening morning thing. Well, um, I generally like

1154
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: to hunt him in the evening. Um, And I think

1155
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: it helps stand And I think that cooler air starts

1156
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: coming down from the from the night. It helps with

1157
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: the with scent a little bit better the morning. And

1158
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 1: this is just all squirrel man theory. This doesn't I

1159
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: don't know if this is right or wrong. This is

1160
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: just what I've observed this time of year. They don't

1161
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: come out of the trees. They don't really need to.

1162
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: They're up there and eating white oaks and whatever mass

1163
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: they can, and so they if they do come down,

1164
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: it's for very short periods of time and then right

1165
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: back up um in the evening they've had their feel.

1166
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: Then they're going to bury in and getting ready for

1167
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: the for the winter time. And they're down on the

1168
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: ground getting to drink of water, you know, cash and nuts, digging,

1169
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: and I think they're on the forest floor a little bit,

1170
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: a little bit more in the afternoon. The morning hunts

1171
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: always seem to be hinky, you know, it's like that's weird,

1172
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: or you've got a runner, or we're covering a great

1173
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 1: distance and we're not putting many many squirrels up. It's

1174
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: over time. It's just a rather hunt the evening, no

1175
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: matter the time of year, no matter the time of year, right,

1176
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: no matter the time of year. Now, the first day

1177
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: we went squirrel hunting, it was ninety degrees um. The

1178
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: dogs having a hard time. Um. Scent probably is not

1179
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: as fresh as when we went yesterday, and it was damp.

1180
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: It rained the night before. There's a lot more humidity

1181
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: in the air. Um. It was in the evening. I

1182
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: think the squirrel the squirrels were down and the dog

1183
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: could smell them, probably a little bit better. I don't

1184
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: know why they hailed or we found them. Maybe it's

1185
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: because of the binocular. A lot of knockers, a lot

1186
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: of knockers. And we did have a couple of multi

1187
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: uh squirrel trees, which helps. Yeah, we shot three out

1188
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: of one tree. Right, that helps. That adds that, That

1189
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: adds numbers. It does help too that like Mike and

1190
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: Chris are they're they're staring through their cameras, you know,

1191
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: really working. But Seth and I uh, definitely, I mean

1192
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: we doubled up basically eyes you guys are you know,

1193
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: each have an extra pair of eyes to find these squirrels.

1194
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: That helps a lot. Yeah, you were there in the morning.

1195
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was just making a general general statement that. Okay,

1196
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 1: one last squirrel question for you. What are your favorite

1197
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: ways to uh prepare the squirrels you get. You're saying

1198
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: you eat about two hundred a year your family it's

1199
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: about two hundred a year. Yeah. How do you guys

1200
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: like to do them? And how did you like to

1201
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: do them when you were a kid, and hasn't changed

1202
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: over time. So when I was a kid, it was

1203
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: squirrel and gravy over rice and squirreling gravy over mashed

1204
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: potatoes or fried squirrel very little deviation. Um. When I

1205
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: was a kid, we we barbecued some on a grill

1206
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: and those sorts of things. But can you take us

1207
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: through a brief recipe of squirrel gravy how that's made?

1208
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: My mom made squirrel gravy. And I know this is

1209
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna uh just talk about something else. One time

1210
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: I remember going deer hunting, um, and my dad got me.

1211
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was an old timer thing,

1212
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: but my dad would make me get up at like

1213
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: three or four in the morning, sit in the tree

1214
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 1: for like an hour, before it got light, you know,

1215
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: like get in there before the deer. And I think

1216
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: it was low deer numbers back then, and they were

1217
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: just starting to come on, and those guys thought you

1218
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: had to be their way before light. And I remember

1219
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: getting up at like three in the morning and my

1220
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: dad made some week old warmed up some week old

1221
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: squirrel and gravy and put it over grits, which was

1222
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: a Southern food. And remember I had a little hair

1223
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: in it, and I just, I mean, I'll never forget that.

1224
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: My brother and I are like three thirty in the morning,

1225
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: week old squirrel, gravey and grits are like, oh man,

1226
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: what about a pop tart or something? But we ate that.

1227
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: Uh but no, it's just uh, it's just like any

1228
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: other gravy you would would cook. You know how you

1229
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: cook the squirrel before it gets into the gravy. So

1230
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: you if you fried squirrel or you can crock pot

1231
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: squirrel either way and just use the use a little

1232
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: bit of grease drippings or whatever from that and make

1233
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: your gravy and then you can put it back on

1234
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: it oftentimes in the cast iron skillet and now go

1235
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: in there, so you're picking the meat or not picking

1236
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: the meat at this at this point in my squirrel

1237
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: eating career as a kid, it was not picking the meat.

1238
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: It was quarters, you know, dipped out quarters on rice

1239
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: with gravy and then up and then you picked it

1240
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: up and shoot up the shot and the hair spit out, shot,

1241
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 1: bone and hair, all of it, and you pick it now.

1242
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: I pick it now. I swear to myself, I will

1243
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: not do this to my children. Not that I didn't

1244
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: like it, but I still eat it, and I still

1245
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: it's a nice squirrel dish man like my mouth waters

1246
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: for it. It's to me one of the best meats

1247
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: in the woods. And so now I do a variety

1248
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: of things. Um, I messed up the first time a

1249
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: a I was trying to press my wife. I killed

1250
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: a squirrel and I gutted it and just had a

1251
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: splayed out like like a squirrel would be on a spit. Yeah,

1252
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: like Don Argentina and a Montamon those Uh yeah, yeah,

1253
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: I did that, and I'm crucifixed amount of mine. Man.

1254
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: I made that for my wife, and I presented her

1255
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 1: in very professional fashion, in my opinion, as a squirrel man,

1256
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: I splayed delectable squirrel. I picked a young one too.

1257
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: I didn't give her a great big old this when

1258
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: you were when that was when I was Courtner. Yeah,

1259
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,480
Speaker 1: it was a prize. She's not a squirrel man nahr

1260
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: river man. Nah, She's none of the above. Uh So

1261
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: I present her with this squirrel and man that went

1262
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: over like a turd and a punch bowl. It was good.

1263
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: And so it was just too much. It was too

1264
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: much she I mean, just the look on her face

1265
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: was It's that it went into my mind, I'm gonna

1266
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: have to change this up a little bit. And for

1267
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,320
Speaker 1: years she wouldn't need it, and just because of not

1268
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: because the flavor of the squirrel or that it was

1269
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: a squirrel, just the presentation went into her mind every

1270
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: like you just served to me at a rat um.

1271
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: But now I changed it up and it's mostly picked

1272
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 1: um and the way that I've been doing it lately,

1273
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: and I was telling you honest about it, the way

1274
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so proud of as I've been crock

1275
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 1: potting it with some spices, garlic, picking it um and

1276
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: rolling it up in a croissant with either cream cheese

1277
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:44,839
Speaker 1: or cheddar cheese or peppers, onions, jalapenos, which whatever little fixings.

1278
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: I want to clarify too, though the crock pot. You're saying,

1279
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: like not completely covered in liquid in the crock pot.

1280
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 1: I put no liquid in the squirrels. Um that I

1281
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: cooked so well. You can't put a squirrel in the

1282
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: crock pot turn to cry pilon, That's what I was saying.

1283
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: You can, Otherwise it's boiling it. I put a little bit.

1284
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: I hit it with a little bit of um oil

1285
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: in there, and there's there's enough moisture. Yeah, and it'll

1286
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: so those I threw those nine squirrels in there, and

1287
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: there was two inches of moisture. And this morning and

1288
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: I just pulled the bones right out. You got onions

1289
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: in there, um, yeah, onions. Throwing onions in there and

1290
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,640
Speaker 1: those sorts of things. Otherwise it's boiling it. You know,

1291
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: if you put liquid in there, that's a good point, man,

1292
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, we would fry them. My

1293
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: my mom would do um. She would brown oftentimes, this

1294
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: is one of the ways I like it the most.

1295
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: And sometimes we put them in a deep friar. But

1296
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: also my mom would brown them in oil, dust them

1297
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: in a seasoned flour, brown them in oil, then put

1298
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: him on a sheet pan and put them in the

1299
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: oven at three degrees and that makes like it's like

1300
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: we would call it, and it's different because other people

1301
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: use different things. We would call it chicken fried squirrel

1302
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: even though like chicken fried steak, because that's how my

1303
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: mom would. If my mom went out and bought chicken

1304
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: chicken thighs, she would brown them in oil and finish

1305
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: them in the oven. So she would just do squirrels

1306
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,799
Speaker 1: the same way. Man. Sometimes it was just like perfect

1307
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: on the bone, brown, real nice, and then baked that

1308
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: low heat to tenderize them a little bit. It was

1309
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: pretty good. But when you say you roll it, I

1310
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 1: want to get back to this croissan thing. You roll it?

1311
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: What do you roll it? The croissant? And then baked

1312
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: the croissant right, just like your baking you by those

1313
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: little triangle croissans, right exactly. But yeah, I spread the

1314
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: triangle and then I put all my fixing like a

1315
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: taco right, everything that I want. I've been putting some

1316
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: time in there lately, like a sprig of time, which

1317
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: I really like. A roll that thing up, folded up

1318
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: nice little a pouch of squirrel meats with everything else,

1319
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,959
Speaker 1: bake it and then the croissant bakes into a itself

1320
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: and all that, the little hot pot, it's like a

1321
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: thinking man's hot pocket and the and the and I

1322
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 1: knew I was onto this when my kids started fighting

1323
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 1: each other over those things, the last one like, no,

1324
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: give it to me, and and my wife's eating them

1325
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: and going, that's good, and old squirrel Man's going, oh,

1326
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 1: I'm onto something here. Yeah. But it's hard to burn

1327
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: through two squirrels shoving them inside croissants because you're just

1328
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: not getting a lot of bulk in there, you know.

1329
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: And we gumbo a too fe we fry them. You

1330
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: make a t and gumbo, yeah, we and we we

1331
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we make all that stuff, you know.

1332
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: And it's just the meat we use as opposed to chicken.

1333
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: For us, it's squirrel. And your wife likes to cook

1334
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: with game, obviously she does. The one conversation I have

1335
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: with your wife when I met her, she was going

1336
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: home to make uh fish stew, coconut curry fish stew.

1337
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: And asked her what kind of fish, and she said catfish?

1338
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: Was there any other kind? And she had asked her

1339
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: if she was gonna put it in cooked or put

1340
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: it in raw? She said, I put it in raw

1341
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: and cook it in the soup broth. And she said

1342
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: that you don't like it spicy. I love that that

1343
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: she only keeps you around because you're cute. That's not true.

1344
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: Do you have a name for this recipe yet? No,

1345
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I love to come up with him. Squirrels

1346
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: squirrel sing, squirrel st squirrel, squirrel pocket. You haven't had

1347
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: a good luck. How do you freeze your squirrels? I

1348
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: freeze them um with the old milk jug water and

1349
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: then most importantly, after you cut the top off the milk,

1350
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: fill it up with water and freeze it. And being

1351
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: scolded from a child by my dad, you have to

1352
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: then go back and make sure that there's none exposed

1353
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: on the top of Man, that's stuff. Freezer burns bad, right,

1354
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: and so you have to hit it with another layer

1355
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: of water. And so that's how I freeze them. But

1356
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 1: you know what I think you ought to reconsider is

1357
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: just for freezer management and capacity issues. Squirrels vacuum the

1358
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: vacuum bag beautifully with the bones. Yeah. Man, man, you're

1359
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: busting me about having cheap bags. Maybe that's my thing.

1360
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:29,799
Speaker 1: I got sorry bags because I can't do it listen.

1361
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: I used to not like back when everybody's running those

1362
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: um right, when vacuum seelers came out and it was

1363
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: like infomercial era and shipped for like Homeowner vacuum steelers.

1364
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: They came out with a lot of bad vacuum steelers

1365
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: and bad bags. I'm sure there's a variety of good

1366
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: ones out there. But I have one of these things.

1367
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: It's it's big, but it's like the it's like the

1368
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: Western Pro Series. It's big. I mean you can put

1369
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: a nerve football and back the air out of nerf

1370
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: football with one of these things to make it look

1371
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 1: like a flat pancake. But I have that. And I

1372
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,839
Speaker 1: use their bags, which is like a like a heavier

1373
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: gage bag, and you can put them in there, lay

1374
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: them out in there, suck it out and ate just

1375
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,679
Speaker 1: it's like nothing bad happens to him, and squirrel freezer

1376
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: burns bad like a squirrel in the ziplog bag is

1377
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: a disaster done last long. It's a lot of surface area,

1378
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 1: like per It's a lot of surface area per volume.

1379
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: If you when you cut him, though, you know how

1380
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 1: I was getting on you about how I think you're

1381
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: cuts too high when you cut his legs off. That's

1382
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: one thing that can puncture the bags if you have

1383
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: jaggedy bones. But if you cut at the joint so

1384
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: you have nice rounded bones, you can put a whole

1385
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 1: bunch of quarters in there, or splay them out like

1386
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: you're talking about with your presented as with your wife.

1387
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: You can pack them in there. I've even packing them

1388
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: in there where they're all spooning, like the squirrels are

1389
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: spooned out, four or five wide whole and vacuum in there,

1390
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: and it's like a page in a book, like a

1391
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: nice flat package full of squirrels. And you could stack

1392
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: a thousand of them in your freezer because I used

1393
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: to do that jug of water thing, and man, you

1394
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: just wind up with a freezer full of jugs. So

1395
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: when you're and can I finish selling you on this,

1396
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: you put that thing in cold water. You take the

1397
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: vac bag out of your freezer and poor a mixing

1398
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: bowl of cold tap water and lay that vac bag

1399
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: in there, and that ship is ready to eat in

1400
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, ready cook, ready to cook. Yeah, sorry,

1401
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: it's red. It's thought. You gotta get a blowtorch out

1402
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 1: when you want to get him out of a milk

1403
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 1: jug the day before or that morning the thall. But

1404
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: or you burn through ga lins of water by setting

1405
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 1: it under the thing and turning the water on to

1406
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: run over it. I'm telling you, man, it's like just

1407
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: like you gotta get on with actors. And I'm not

1408
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: coming at you like like you've got you're a better

1409
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 1: outdoors than to me. No way. But you're wrong about knockers,

1410
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: and you're wrong about you've adjusted on, but you're wrong

1411
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: about back bags. I really like the ideas flop for flatheads.

1412
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: For anything, you need to invest in a real vac

1413
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: steeler and some good damn bags. And that's my problem.

1414
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 1: I got the whatever when they first came out. But

1415
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the joint

1416
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: cut on the squirrel. Are you so you're taking the

1417
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: time when you have tin squirrels lined up on the

1418
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: back of a tailgate and you have your cutters out,

1419
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: you're taking them time to find that little joint with

1420
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: your fingers and then game sharing and got it off.

1421
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: Or you're skinning and then visibly cutting because you have

1422
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: hit it. No, No, you don't know, you don't You

1423
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: need to move your cut three six of an inch

1424
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: towards the tone nails, and I'm gonna hit it every time.

1425
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna hit it where you wind up with a

1426
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 1: nice rounded product. Picture that you went down and bought

1427
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: a chicken drumstick with a jaggedy ass bone sticking out

1428
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: the end of it. They they it's a nice joint,

1429
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: nice round joint. I get the idea. I just don't

1430
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: know about speed. But you know your cuts are nice,

1431
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: but you got really nice cutters. That's important. I noticed

1432
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 1: that you don't use games shares because your cutters are

1433
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: better than games shots. I do not use games shares.

1434
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: I used tin snips. Yeah, that's the way to go.

1435
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 1: Why do they even make games shoot? I don't know.

1436
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't know own a pair your tin snips? Yeah,

1437
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 1: my games hears, it's like they kind of crap. You

1438
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: gotta then get into a knife. Things are nice. That's

1439
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: a hot tip. You wanna talk about hot tips? Tin snips?

1440
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: Tin snips? You have some Irwin's? Is that where they were?

1441
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: I got? I have several different ones. I go in

1442
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: the home depot or Lows or the hardware store, hit

1443
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: me with the tennis nips. That's what that's what you

1444
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: want new stock. That's right. Okay, So you need some

1445
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 1: vinyls in a backs either, I'm gonna I'm gonna work No,

1446
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work on it for you. I'm gonna work

1447
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: on it for you. Man, I'm gonna work up where

1448
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: owe you one? So I'm gonna work on it. Everybody

1449
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: cool on squirrels, Raidy, move on Rich. Yeah, unless we

1450
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: want to talk about the the byproducts that we're dealing

1451
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: with from our squirrel I would like to speak on that. Uh,

1452
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: you're from the South, South, You're from Georgia. You keep

1453
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: calling this the Midwest. We all feel like we're in

1454
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 1: the South. If you get out of a boat and

1455
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: get scared by armadillo, you're in the South. They're relatively

1456
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: new to this part of the country. That's Seth was saying.

1457
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: Seth was saying, Armadillos are headed north and they're taking

1458
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: the South with I feel like we're everything about it,

1459
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: including the I was saying I had three hundred chigger bites,

1460
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: but I kind of did like a little count. I

1461
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: have two hundred chigger bites around my waistline, in my groin,

1462
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 1: my groinal area. You had to do like a fisheries count.

1463
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: Where you count like one sect and then multiply that

1464
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: out because you have so many. I count bait that way,

1465
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: and I count chigger bites that way, where I like,

1466
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: look at a sample size area right like you make

1467
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 1: like a six packy thing with your adsmen, and count

1468
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: how many lean over and clinch how many bites around

1469
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: one one of the beer cans on a six pack

1470
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: And then and then go like, okay, there's twelve there,

1471
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 1: and then start moving around your crotch and groin and

1472
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: scroll area and and add them all up. And I

1473
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 1: feel like I have two Hondo, he's probably got a

1474
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 1: good one fifty chiggers. So I don't think. I don't

1475
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 1: I don't really I can speak on this, but I

1476
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: don't really want to because listening to you guys talk

1477
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: about this is just been a great experience for me,

1478
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: like just our bafflement. Yeah yeah, And on the Google

1479
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,879
Speaker 1: and researching and man, I've learned a lot about chiggers

1480
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: that I didn't know, Like some of the wives tales

1481
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: that I heard that aren't aren't true, and uh, you

1482
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: guys are researching. God, what are these things all over me?

1483
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: It's been interesting. I mean, I don't know that I've

1484
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: seen worst cases of chiggers. Well, I think we made

1485
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: some real rookie mistakes, man like not. I was just

1486
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: it was a hot day, so I had just the

1487
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: loose t shirt, no tuck in, no bug spray around

1488
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: my middrift and wading around in that tall grass. Right. Yeah,

1489
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: it was like when I first moved to area, they

1490
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of deer ticks and a lot of

1491
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 1: lime disease. I didn't do any of the things that

1492
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: everybody that lives there is like they know what to do,

1493
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: talk your pants into your socks, use deep. I didn't

1494
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: do any of that. Jump, I didn't do tick checks right,

1495
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: and I paid the price. So here it just happened

1496
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: to be that my one. If I had gotten a

1497
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: dozen bites, I'd be like, huh, you know, next time.

1498
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: But just to get so overwhelmed by them. That's been

1499
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: in areas obviously have them before, but I've never, I've

1500
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 1: really never experienced just a real hard hit from chiggers.

1501
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: I'll fesce up, I'll fesce up to the listeners. I

1502
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep and I couldn't concentrate, and I had to

1503
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: go down and I went down to a medstop and

1504
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: got around the steroids. Is that bad? It's bad you

1505
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: got you guys got it bad. And it's it's lucky

1506
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: the draw too, because you just like walked through them. Man.

1507
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,799
Speaker 1: But I did spray, and I remember offering you guys.

1508
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: But I went around and hit everybody's ankles. I just

1509
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: put a little squirt in my ankles. And we were

1510
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: thinking about seed takes. We weren't thinking chiggers. I use

1511
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: it like breath freshener all over. So off does prevent

1512
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 1: Shakers said, so on the can oh, because well we're

1513
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: like what we deal with a lot with in the

1514
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: northern in Northern States, and the summer is no SEMs, gnats,

1515
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 1: white sox for that stuff. I just carry a little

1516
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: teeny bottle of a deep and you get like behind

1517
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: your ears in a couple of places they'd like to hit.

1518
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: But it's not like like I was when I went

1519
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 1: out last night. I had so much that junk. I

1520
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: mean my clothes were wet. Yeah, good, I hosed down.

1521
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 1: You didn't pick up anymore shakers, man, good on squirrels. Yeah,

1522
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 1: what's interesting is that Mike Seth park Well Parker sprayed

1523
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: down properly. We didn't spray down the first morning. Yeah,

1524
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't around and hit your ankles. You didn't notice.

1525
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: But it might be that they don't. But you know

1526
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: how like some people are more susceptible to mosquitoes and stuff.

1527
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: It might be that I'm just like, there's something about

1528
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it because like I was, I

1529
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: was on like behind your honest the whole time I

1530
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: was wearing that pack with a hip belt. I had

1531
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 1: my shirt tucked in, but I had that hip belt

1532
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: tight around my waistline the whole time, which might have helped.

1533
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: It's a it's a micro not it's not microscopic, but

1534
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna notice it readily. They're very very small,

1535
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a large it's a larval stage

1536
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 1: of some Iraqi and uh there they hang out in

1537
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: clusters and you pass through a cluster and get them

1538
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: on there and they latch on, the latch on for

1539
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: four hours. They have an enzyme. They secrete an enzyme

1540
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 1: onto you which liquefies your skin cells. And they laugh

1541
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:57,759
Speaker 1: that stuff up, and that the residue from that little

1542
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: activity causes intent itching and inflammation. Sons of bitches, man,

1543
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 1: But you started itching the night of I was feeling

1544
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: it when we were rigging flathead Tackle. I kept being

1545
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 1: like looking lifting my shirt up and probably causing more

1546
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: trouble for myself, lifting my shirt up, trying to be like,

1547
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 1: why do I feel like something's on me? At first,

1548
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: everyone thought it was poison ivy because we had hit

1549
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 1: that that field just a sea of poison ivy, and

1550
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 1: Mike threw his headphones down in it. And that's when

1551
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 1: you told me, you walk by instad I would watch

1552
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: your headphones or laying in poison ivy. So I'm waiting

1553
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: for that. It'd be here by now. Yeah, I think so,

1554
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 1: it'd be here by now if we I think it's dying,

1555
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 1: it's dying down and it's not oily right now. But

1556
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: it took two days for the chiggers for you, but

1557
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: if you look online different people, it could take it

1558
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: could be hours or a day or two days later

1559
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: for the chigger bites to emerge. Poison ivy has a

1560
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 1: really nasty he like it's that's what's so kind of

1561
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: that's just so kind of um nasty about poison ivy

1562
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 1: is is that that delay where you like you just

1563
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 1: have like this, don't know, you get hit by a

1564
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: horse fly, fuck you know it. Poison ivy gets you. Man,

1565
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,719
Speaker 1: it's like secrety. How long Like if you go walking

1566
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: through poison ivy and it's on your boots and like

1567
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: the cuff your pants, how long is it? Like if

1568
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 1: you're like untired boots that day and then the next

1569
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: morning put your boots back on and tie, Like, should

1570
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you be washing your hands again the next day? Yeah,

1571
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 1: that's that's when you get like, but there's different kinds

1572
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: of poison ivy effect. Is when you get like you

1573
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 1: get back from somewhere and all of a sudden you

1574
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 1: get some poison ivy bubble stripes on your knuckles and stuff.

1575
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: I think you're dealing with that kind of junk, But

1576
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: I don't think like the direct exposure of when you're

1577
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: getting like plant to skin, plant to skin leaves these

1578
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 1: marks where you can just almost see the the impact

1579
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: of it. But I do think that you do get

1580
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: it on your boots then later and if you get

1581
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: into it real bad and you're real set, are you're

1582
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: supposed to take rubbing alcohol and wipe down your wipe

1583
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 1: down your stuff, wash your clothes and hot water. But

1584
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of that where you like, you

1585
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: get it around your knuckles and inside your arm. Then

1586
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: like a week later you get a couple more spots,

1587
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: and I think that you're getting some residual oil transfer.

1588
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: But it's nothing like like Senior Skip Day when I

1589
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: was in high school. It's a tradition of my high

1590
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: school to everyone's skip school on Senior Skip Day and

1591
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: you go canoe the White River. Um. I was telling

1592
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: this story the other day. Uh, Senior Skip Day. I

1593
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: shimmied up a tree because you climb trees and also

1594
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: jump into the river. I shimmied up a tree. The

1595
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: head poison ivy vines on it, and I wound up

1596
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 1: going to Uh. I went up having to go to

1597
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: the doctor about that. That was bad. That and burning it.

1598
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: Burning in a brush pile can make you really sick

1599
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: because you're inhaling it. Oh that hurts. We're going on, squirrels,

1600
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: We're good, m flatheads. Uh. Explain poke polling what you

1601
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 1: call bank polling? Oh m hmm. It's just like limb lining.

1602
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: If you know what limb lining is, were you, Well,

1603
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 1: you find a limb overhanging a likely place where a

1604
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 1: catfish would be. That's somewhat limber enough to hang a

1605
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: line off of, and that hangs in the water with

1606
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 1: a bait on it, the catfish grabs it, and then

1607
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 1: that liam acts like a fishing rod with some um,

1608
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, some resistance when it pulls down, it pulls

1609
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 1: back against the fish and holds it on on the hook.

1610
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: Um bank polling. It's similar to that. And as much

1611
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 1: as you use a tin or twelve ft fiberglass rod

1612
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 1: poked or stuck into the bank on the side of

1613
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: the river with your line and then on it, and

1614
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: that big fiberglass rod acts like a fishing rod or

1615
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 1: gives that resistance. The difference between the two is the

1616
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: fiberglass rods you can put where you want to where

1617
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: a likely place a fish would be, unlike limb line

1618
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: and you're just you're kind of the mercy of where

1619
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 1: a limb would be. UM. And so these we try

1620
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 1: to pick the best likely spots, stick them in with

1621
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 1: a bait um a live bait when you're targeting flatheads,

1622
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: and man go from there. Talk about the bait a

1623
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 1: little bit first, the bits of the issue. The baits

1624
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: always the issue. So we ran oh eighty or so

1625
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: hooks and to go for a flathead catfish like we

1626
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 1: were going. Big baits are better, um, and so you

1627
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: need eighty big baits and a big bait. A big

1628
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: nice bait would be like a hand size blue gill

1629
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 1: or a carp minnow or something you know, four to

1630
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 1: six to eight or ten even twelve inches long. You

1631
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 1: need eighty of those to be successful. To be successful,

1632
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: and you're you're allowed to run thirty three hooks per

1633
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: per per person, thirty three hooks, so we were running

1634
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: a three of us were running eighty or so. We

1635
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 1: weren't quite there, but you know, you get bait, and

1636
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 1: after you have a hundred and fifty baits, you think, man,

1637
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 1: you have bait for days, but you don't, and you

1638
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 1: gotta come back and go for bait. And I'm indiscriminate

1639
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 1: bait collector, and we'll collectibate in any way, shape or

1640
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: form that I can. And we ran into that problem.

1641
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: We're in out of bait, and you casting net for bait,

1642
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 1: casting net for bait, and the uh, you can, man,

1643
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: you can get it anyway you can. You could sin it,

1644
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 1: you can catch it on a hook and bober. However

1645
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: you can get it. And you guys used like hoop

1646
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: traps for bait too, writ hoop nets No, yeah, a

1647
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 1: little little ones in the creek or something like that,

1648
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, going for carp shad have We haven't had

1649
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,600
Speaker 1: any luck with the little hoops though. Actually would you

1650
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 1: set them in the in the current channels and they

1651
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 1: don't keep swam up in there? But you try it

1652
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 1: that way you had a little fish traps. So we've

1653
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 1: just had very little luck. Now suppost diameter on your

1654
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: hoop traps. The one we don't have one that we

1655
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,919
Speaker 1: try it and it's a I bet it's a eighteen

1656
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 1: inch er. My brother has hoop traps. He does an

1657
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:43,440
Speaker 1: area we allowed to hoop net yea for rough fish,

1658
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 1: and they used to bait their hoop nets. But then

1659
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 1: he thinks that the bait doesn't matter. He just puts

1660
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: them in lines of travel. Like if you got like

1661
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 1: a let's see you got like a little gravel Let's

1662
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 1: say you got a stream it's got the shallow in

1663
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 1: and you got like a little gravel trough up against

1664
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 1: the up with a deep cut bank and a little

1665
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: gravel off down in there. He'll lay that hoop trap,

1666
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 1: obviously opening up towards the down stream side and he

1667
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: pulls up some halls of suckers net thing. Yeah, I

1668
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: don't have a figure, just catching them on their path,

1669
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: but he's got But these are huge, right, No, they're

1670
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 1: the one I have a little bit. He's like thirty hoops.

1671
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, it's mostly cast netting. Yeah, so you're

1672
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 1: going to cast that a bunch of but you can't

1673
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: use a large mouth as bait. Cannot use game fishes bait. No,

1674
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 1: but you like shad carp. I like shad, but they're

1675
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: tough to keep alive. Um, if we can keep them

1676
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 1: are aiding. I like those, They're they're a good size,

1677
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: a big shad, hand size shad um carp which are

1678
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: super tough blue gill which I think personally everything in

1679
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: the river likes a blue gill. I think it's like

1680
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: flathead candy. But they're not as tough as the's like

1681
01:38:55,240 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: a carpet. Uh, and now explain a likely place for flatheads.

1682
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: This is you know, this is a great debate, but UH,

1683
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: generally behind um a blow down or some sort of

1684
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 1: cover in the river. You know, UM, a blowdown, a

1685
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 1: wing wall or dike rocks, those places where fast water

1686
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 1: goes to slow water. Like, yeah, big an ambush um spot.

1687
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: You know, it would be like in any other stream

1688
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 1: or creek where the fish would be. You would think

1689
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: of those eddies and pools, um, the flatheads would frequent

1690
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 1: frequent those areas. That's what that's what's good about the

1691
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 1: bank poll because there's not a whole lot of limbs

1692
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,600
Speaker 1: that hangover like the Missouri River where we were. I

1693
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: mean it's like trees falling down. There's no big limbs

1694
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 1: that hang over those places that would be I mean

1695
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: a few, but not enough to be able to do

1696
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 1: what you want to do, particularly when we're going for

1697
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:55,639
Speaker 1: We would like to catch big flatheads, and that's kind

1698
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 1: of our kind of a little thing, you know, catching giants. Yeah,

1699
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 1: big ones. At what point in your mind is a

1700
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: flat big thirty pounds or abuff? That's a nice flathead

1701
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: thirty plus pounds. Now, I like all of them. I mean,

1702
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,640
Speaker 1: I think the best eating fish in the in the

1703
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: rivers probably three pounds flathead. But I just like those

1704
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 1: big ones. Man, Oh, it's impressive they are. I mean

1705
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 1: we caught some doozies. Yeah, we call some nice ones.

1706
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 1: So you go up down the river and you got

1707
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 1: all your imagine the old days, like when I was

1708
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 1: introduced to bank polling and it was described to me

1709
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: as poke polling on the Ohio River. These guys were

1710
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: using hand cut limbs, basically go out like with a

1711
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: machete and cut like what I would think of as

1712
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:48,679
Speaker 1: muskrat trap and steaks like big long steaks, and run

1713
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: those into the bank. And I'm sure that that's probably

1714
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 1: what people used to use. I'm sure. But the fiberglass

1715
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: rides is pretty damn nice because you could fit just

1716
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 1: like laid up along the gunnal in the boat. You know,

1717
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: you got thirty forty of them in a very nice

1718
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,679
Speaker 1: little package. What's the diameter on that? We have five

1719
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: eighths and to now we do have um half inch poles,

1720
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: but we've discarded the half inch poles. And the reason

1721
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 1: we have is we never called anything over like twenty

1722
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: five pounds on a half inch pole. And I don't

1723
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 1: know the reason other than we think that the fish

1724
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: can't hook itself, or I don't not rigid enough. It's

1725
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 1: just not rigid enough. It's it's like the twenty five

1726
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: pound cut off and then ridge pounders throw your last

1727
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: half inch or into the river. That's the benefit of

1728
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: cutting your poles. Those will float. Yeah, five classes, that's

1729
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: a good point. And a ridge pounded even even yell

1730
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 1: Mark Twain or anything. I don't know what happened, man,

1731
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: Let's just get to it. We were making a set.

1732
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: We were making a set, and I just asked Ridge.

1733
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 1: I kindly asked Ridge, Hey, can you take that poll

1734
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 1: and see how deep it is here? Easy task. I

1735
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 1: think he just just kind of lowered the pole into

1736
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:06,800
Speaker 1: the water and then just let it drop. Dude. It

1737
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 1: just literally came out of my hand. I was like, oh,

1738
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 1: I got this, and then it just this. I just

1739
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: watched it like disappear. It was the weirdest. It was

1740
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 1: one of the stranger things I've seen. Neither of them

1741
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 1: said anything either, They just just he just sort of

1742
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 1: like releasing it. That just happened. Ten ft fiberglass pole.

1743
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 1: That wasn't a good morning for me either, because then

1744
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 1: I threw a bait overboard. That was right before. It's

1745
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 1: right after he discarded a bait. Yeah. Um, so you

1746
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 1: have it rigged where it's a ten foot pole and

1747
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: you run ten ft of of twine. Not twine, it's

1748
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 1: not cotton, nylon braided nylon. And then in the in

1749
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest they call it gannyon, damnyon li gannon.

1750
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:57,720
Speaker 1: Have to remember that it's gannyon like you're that material

1751
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 1: used in that for that peris would be ginny. So

1752
01:43:01,439 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 1: you have roughly it's ten foot poll and you have

1753
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 1: ten ft of eight ft of leader right or not leader,

1754
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 1: eight feet of mainline mainline, and then you put a

1755
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:14,639
Speaker 1: plumb syncer on. It was like a one ounce plumb

1756
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: one ounce lead right or whatever else we can find

1757
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 1: on the riverbank h one ounce lead. Then you put

1758
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:22,799
Speaker 1: then you tie to a barrel swivel, big barrel swivel.

1759
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:25,639
Speaker 1: Then off that barrel swivel you got another two ft

1760
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,479
Speaker 1: a leader. And then you use a big gass halbet hook,

1761
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: big circle hooig circle hook. And on that circle hook

1762
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 1: you like to tail hook or lip hook, depending on

1763
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: the velocity of current. Correct speak to that there are

1764
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: tailmen and there are head men. I'm a headman as

1765
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,599
Speaker 1: a general rule, and because this is the reason when

1766
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: you're fishing current it's coming down, I like to hook

1767
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 1: them in the nose or in where in the in

1768
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:07,719
Speaker 1: the lips. So the current is the fishes oriented facing

1769
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,559
Speaker 1: the current, and it's like it would be a natural

1770
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 1: swimming type of motion for them if you hook them

1771
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: in the tail, they're facing backwards in that swift current,

1772
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: and I mean in actuality, they drown um that the

1773
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: water is going backwards over their gills and they don't

1774
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 1: stay alive and they die in a very unnatural shape

1775
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:32,720
Speaker 1: at a ninety, like they're all out a ninety. You're right, Yeah,

1776
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: they look like ship look terrible and their scales are

1777
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: all fluffed out. You know. But if in a the

1778
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 1: argument for tails has got to be the longevity in

1779
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 1: no current, that he's gonna have more action and then

1780
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 1: have action for longer. I think they stay on the

1781
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 1: hook better the tailhook. With the tailhook because you're deep

1782
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 1: in the meat and it stays on. So in a

1783
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 1: in a an eddy or slow water, I like to

1784
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:02,599
Speaker 1: hook him in the tail if if there's no current,

1785
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 1: because the smaller fish can't pick pick it off for

1786
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 1: you know those sorts of things, they do stay on

1787
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 1: the hook better. Yeah, I'll point out that um bait

1788
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:18,640
Speaker 1: loss is a big problem giant. So I want to

1789
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 1: walk through couple of points. I explained the rig. You

1790
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 1: get a whole boat load of these rigs. You go down,

1791
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 1: launch your boat and you just start punching in poles

1792
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: all over and you're not and you're that easy just

1793
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 1: to punch in a bunch of poles. No, it's hard

1794
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 1: to punch in poles. And they make a little thing

1795
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: where you were a rubber palmed a tight fitting rubber

1796
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 1: palm gloves and get a good grip on the fiberglass

1797
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: steak and you guys make a little which which I

1798
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 1: don't know why he didn't turn me onto these or

1799
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 1: let me know about these. I had like kind of

1800
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 1: discovered on my own after a lot of poles. Keith

1801
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 1: runs those that they have a little block of wood.

1802
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: Parker's body has a little block of wood that he

1803
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: took a half or five eights drill bit like a

1804
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:09,480
Speaker 1: five eights auger bit drill and made a little circular

1805
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: cut board, a little circle into the block of wood

1806
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 1: that fits the end of the fiberglass pole. You stick

1807
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 1: this block of wood under your type fitting rubber palmed

1808
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: glove so that it's like well that joke, you know,

1809
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: those old things use those buzzers you put in your

1810
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 1: hand to shock people when you shake your hand. It's

1811
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: fits in your hand like that you Because what I

1812
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 1: was doing to sink the poles prior to my discovery

1813
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 1: of the wood block was I would get it started

1814
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,640
Speaker 1: and then put the end of the pole right up

1815
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 1: against my heart because I had a p f D on,

1816
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 1: a personal flotation device on with good padding, and I

1817
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 1: would put it against the padding of my life jacket

1818
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: and use the force of my body to drive it in.

1819
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: And this is all about the boats swirling around the

1820
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: current and the motors running. It's tricky and you need

1821
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: to drive it in enough to hold a sixty pound flathead,

1822
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,800
Speaker 1: which is shocking that it works. It is shocking. But

1823
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:11,200
Speaker 1: then I discovered that block of wood, and you put

1824
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,680
Speaker 1: that block would fit the hole over the end of

1825
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,679
Speaker 1: the thing, and then you can just drive that sum

1826
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 1: a bit and then it's so satisfying. Man. You're just like, yeah,

1827
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 1: and got him forty five degree angle and you're not

1828
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: driving it into the dry banks so much. Oftentimes you're

1829
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 1: driving it into two three ft of water where it's

1830
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: hanging out at a forty five degree angle over deeper water, right,

1831
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 1: And you'd like to put all your poles in because

1832
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna touch on bait loss. You don't like to

1833
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: bait until dusk. So you go through and make all

1834
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: your sets, get all your poles in ready to go,

1835
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 1: then hang out factory and how much time it's gonna

1836
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 1: take to where you're getting done. Just at the moment

1837
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 1: you need to start using your head lamp and then

1838
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 1: go back through and bait all your hooks because big

1839
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Mambo John Bow flatheads come out at dusk or at night,

1840
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 1: and you don't want all the turtles and gar destroying

1841
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 1: all your bait, right. You want to have the bait

1842
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 1: hit the water at the magic moment. Right, but still

1843
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 1: you come back in the morning nine easily of that

1844
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 1: bait's gone in the morning easily. Yeah, that's a fair assessment.

1845
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 1: I'd like to know what gets the largest percentage of

1846
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if you're missing fish,

1847
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, if it's turtles, guards, combination of everything,

1848
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel as though you have to

1849
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 1: lose a lot of turtles and you have to lose

1850
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,559
Speaker 1: a lot to cars. The reason I say the garden things,

1851
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:49,719
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen limb lining where with the bright sun,

1852
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 1: this is baiting. In the bright sun, we can see

1853
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: what's going on in the water. Hang that bait down,

1854
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:55,719
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden there's three or four guards

1855
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 1: nosed up against it that fast. They just know they're

1856
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 1: down there anyway, That's why we don't do it a

1857
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 1: whole lot in the middle of the summer with the

1858
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: guards when these were shorten those guards but just like

1859
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 1: pecking at it, you know. So that's an issue. But

1860
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:15,759
Speaker 1: it's amazing to me how many baits, especially those cart

1861
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: minnows and then the bluegills, that would survive the whole night.

1862
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:22,640
Speaker 1: We'd be there at nine or ten o'clock in the

1863
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:25,680
Speaker 1: morning and you can finish that bait another day, just

1864
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 1: fresh and and then I'm it's the big debate, does

1865
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,679
Speaker 1: does this spot suck? You know? You know it's like, well,

1866
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 1: it's a great, big, good bait and it hasn't been

1867
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,559
Speaker 1: touched in twenty four hours. Should I move it or

1868
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 1: just let him run? You know, Parker saying he likes

1869
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:45,680
Speaker 1: to let those baits go and reward those baits I

1870
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:48,880
Speaker 1: do just like a hard working bait. Like man, you

1871
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:51,840
Speaker 1: got caught, you were put in the bait bucket. We

1872
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,559
Speaker 1: drove a big hook through your mouth. You're on there

1873
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: for two days, we're pulling our poles. I take that

1874
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: hook out as gingerly as I can, and it's like

1875
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:07,360
Speaker 1: a brook trout fisherman. I let him just slide into

1876
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 1: the water and go free. Takes a little picture of it.

1877
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 1: Keep thank you, sir. You did a great job. You

1878
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:21,120
Speaker 1: did not get eaten by flathead when you go out

1879
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 1: and check them. You'd like to start checking ready daybreak? Yeah,

1880
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: what what's the thinking on that? The thinking on that

1881
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:31,879
Speaker 1: is it's very visible to see, you know, those big

1882
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 1: poles bouncing, guys running the room. It's titilating the passers by.

1883
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:40,919
Speaker 1: It is people running. Yeah, be a big pole bouncing

1884
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 1: looking around, going hey, uh, there's a big old flathead

1885
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,680
Speaker 1: over there that I could get. So you kind of

1886
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 1: want to get out before all the people start running

1887
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 1: the river. And also, you know, the longer anything's on

1888
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:55,880
Speaker 1: a set line like that, the more chance it has

1889
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: to escape. We could offer work a big hole, So

1890
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 1: try to get there early as we can. And you

1891
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 1: go down the river and you can tell, you know,

1892
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:11,600
Speaker 1: a big flathead the way he works a pole, you

1893
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 1: can tell it's as exciting as it's as exciting as

1894
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:18,680
Speaker 1: like I like in my mind I keep going to

1895
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:21,479
Speaker 1: muskrat trapping on the whole thing. It's just exciting to

1896
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 1: go out and check it is. It's like Christmas, go

1897
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 1: out and check the line and talk about the way

1898
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 1: a big flathead is on that pole. So if you

1899
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 1: visualize the pole sticking out of forty five degree angle

1900
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,759
Speaker 1: and a fish on the line of it, a smaller fish,

1901
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 1: it will be more of a bouncing, bobbing type of action.

1902
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 1: You know there's a fish on it, but you don't

1903
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 1: really know how big it is. But a big flathead,

1904
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:53,919
Speaker 1: just with the weight that pole just goes down slow

1905
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:58,200
Speaker 1: or it will be bent or stay you know, kind

1906
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: of at a twenty degree angle, or and slowly go

1907
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:05,800
Speaker 1: under the water and disappear um and then ease back up.

1908
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's just sheer poundage that's doing that. That

1909
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 1: fifty pounder suck that pole slowly, sucked that pull under

1910
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:16,639
Speaker 1: water and held it underwater long enough that we thought

1911
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 1: he pulled the pole. We thought it was gone. I

1912
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 1: was worried that it pulled the pole. I was too,

1913
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:24,320
Speaker 1: I was thinking he pulled it. We spooked him and

1914
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:30,479
Speaker 1: he pulled it, but at eased back up. Dude, It's

1915
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 1: so fun man um and sometimes they're on there and

1916
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,719
Speaker 1: they don't buck, And you kept saying that I didn't

1917
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 1: believe it. We eventually saw it. Yeah, as you can't

1918
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 1: approach every pole if it's not moving. Take a little

1919
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 1: bigger fish, they'll just lay on the bottom. And what

1920
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: what you don't want to do is have the pole

1921
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 1: come up to the pole and a fish take off

1922
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,560
Speaker 1: and that pole go down and hit the gunnale or

1923
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: side of the boat because on those large fish they

1924
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,680
Speaker 1: snap that stop or break or the ring off. You

1925
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,720
Speaker 1: got to let him have that action, so the same

1926
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:05,519
Speaker 1: way you wouldn't grab the tip of someone's ride when

1927
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 1: he's fighting to fit exactly exactly the same premise. So

1928
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 1: you come up and with a pole, particularly one that

1929
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 1: ridge pounder through in the bottom of the drink, you

1930
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:18,679
Speaker 1: use that to feel the line before you get there,

1931
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 1: and if there's resistance to it, you know there's a

1932
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 1: fish on it, even if the poll is not moving.

1933
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:24,760
Speaker 1: And I was telling you that you you kind of

1934
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:27,679
Speaker 1: get lack a daisical because you're running poles nothing, nothing, nothing,

1935
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 1: and then you pull up to one that's not moving. Bam,

1936
01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 1: you know you got a thirty five pound blue cat

1937
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 1: on the end of it. Yeah, that's a good transition.

1938
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 1: There's the trifectors, the catfish trifecta, which we pulled every day. Yep.

1939
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,280
Speaker 1: We checked for two days and pulled trifectors on two days.

1940
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:48,600
Speaker 1: So I lost one. Oh yeah, I think it was

1941
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 1: an incomplete tri factor the first day because I tried

1942
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:53,800
Speaker 1: to horse him up into the boat and didn't use

1943
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:56,680
Speaker 1: the landing that and he came unbuttoned. And I was

1944
01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 1: actually glad that that one got away because I was

1945
01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 1: our first pole, and that's the ominous sign. Although we

1946
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 1: didn't do well. If you catch one on your first pole, man,

1947
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 1: because it's like that's bad juju. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah,

1948
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:11,720
Speaker 1: you go, we're gonna we're gonna cross unless unless if

1949
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:13,960
Speaker 1: it was a fifty pound on your first pole, yeah,

1950
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 1: then you're good. But to catch a little channel on

1951
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,400
Speaker 1: your first pole is not good luck. No. The thing

1952
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 1: about catching a fifty pound flathead is like the trips made.

1953
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:26,280
Speaker 1: Even if it's on your first pole, there's no way

1954
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:30,480
Speaker 1: you things can go bad because you're just you're peacocking

1955
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 1: around like just your fan is fully exposed up and

1956
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 1: down the river. Yeah, you're hoping to run into some

1957
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 1: passers by. That's right, see what I got. Yeah, you

1958
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 1: were saying, this is one of the internet more interesting

1959
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,560
Speaker 1: things you told me about. This is that you go

1960
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 1: through like your family eats five year in a year, right,

1961
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:54,120
Speaker 1: and you're saying, uh that you don't even really care

1962
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 1: for deer hunt. And if someone came and just dropped

1963
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 1: off five got it out deer in your driveway, you'd

1964
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:02,760
Speaker 1: be just as fine with that, hand would I? I would.

1965
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:06,600
Speaker 1: And when you moved up here, the flathead fishing was

1966
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 1: so good that you dropped down to three deer year

1967
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 1: and are eating too deer worth the flatheads? Too deer

1968
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 1: worth flatheads. It's a good trade. It's a good trade.

1969
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 1: So that's probably roughly a hundred pounds flathead probably two

1970
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:32,120
Speaker 1: deer process me right, hundred pounds of flathead felets. How

1971
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 1: many times a year do you need to go up

1972
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 1: and do how many times a year do you go

1973
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: a limb line or bank poll? I do it too,

1974
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 1: like you do two sessions sessions a year. And it

1975
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 1: depends on the amounts of biomass that I accumulate. Look

1976
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:49,080
Speaker 1: at my freezer and I go, I have enough, or

1977
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 1: and it's good that it's two times a year because

1978
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,760
Speaker 1: it's spring. And then if you look in the fall

1979
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 1: and you open and you go, man, I'm low on flathead,

1980
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:58,800
Speaker 1: and then you hit it hard in the fall or

1981
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 1: I still have something from the spring, so I don't

1982
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:03,680
Speaker 1: need to hit it too hard. Yeah, And you when

1983
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 1: you get all set up, it's a lot of work

1984
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 1: to get set up to usually do two or three

1985
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 1: checks or one. Yeah. I generally run them two or

1986
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:13,680
Speaker 1: three nights for sure. And and uh, we watched the

1987
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 1: river levels and generally you get them better on a

1988
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:21,600
Speaker 1: rise of the river. So we watched the river. Lif

1989
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:23,400
Speaker 1: there's on a steep drop, we won't go. And when

1990
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,520
Speaker 1: the conditions are right and we feel like we're gonna

1991
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:28,840
Speaker 1: have good good luck, then we'll go. Um back to

1992
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 1: the catfish trifecta, channels, blues and flats. Can you speak

1993
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:41,680
Speaker 1: to the the edibility and mystique and rank them out

1994
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 1: in a hierarchy. I can give my opinion that because

1995
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:50,920
Speaker 1: this will be met with resistance. I know among each

1996
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,880
Speaker 1: every catfish man man has different thoughts. So for me,

1997
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 1: I like flatheads, but that's that's universal though. I feel

1998
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 1: like people that have access to flatheads like flat heeads. Yeah,

1999
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:06,280
Speaker 1: they're not. They do scavenge, but not as as much

2000
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 1: as the other two species. They prefer live their predators, predators,

2001
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 1: not scavengers. Hence the giant mouth you know. So, Um,

2002
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:22,160
Speaker 1: they don't have as much fat on them. The meat

2003
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 1: to me is better tasting. It's it's a little firmer.

2004
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 1: It's not a real flaky meat. Um. Yeah, catfish fat,

2005
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:33,280
Speaker 1: we should point out, taste like ship. Yes it does.

2006
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:35,200
Speaker 1: And it's not so much when you when you go

2007
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,880
Speaker 1: to cleaning a catfish. It's not so much the red

2008
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 1: meat that you're seeing now. I trimmed that, But it's

2009
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:46,120
Speaker 1: the it's the light colored fat. It's like a gelatinous

2010
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:49,000
Speaker 1: like you skin. If you take when you were skinning

2011
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:52,000
Speaker 1: those blue cats with a pair of skinning players, and

2012
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 1: you pull the hide on a blue cat, a big one,

2013
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:59,280
Speaker 1: underneath it is just a full on gelatinous fat that

2014
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:01,680
Speaker 1: when you touch, your hands are too greasy to hold

2015
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:07,720
Speaker 1: your knife. That stuff tastes like hell. It's bad. So

2016
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,360
Speaker 1: And now, don't get me wrong, blue cats are really

2017
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 1: good to eat, but you have to trim that off.

2018
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 1: If you leave it on, it's it can be. That's

2019
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 1: why I think a lot of people don't trim that

2020
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 1: and they eat it and go, God, this is horrible, muddy,

2021
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 1: this is muddy. This tastes bad. It's just it's not

2022
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:26,560
Speaker 1: the it's not the meat, it's the fat. Oh. And

2023
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:28,360
Speaker 1: we talked about this the other day, and I mean

2024
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 1: we've mentioned on the podcast before, but we bought that

2025
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:33,800
Speaker 1: catfish for the shoot for the film for yeah, a

2026
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:36,080
Speaker 1: little film shoot we had going on to do a

2027
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:40,200
Speaker 1: recipe with catfish, and we just assumed that it's in

2028
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 1: the store, it's gonna be trimmed out properly. And it

2029
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 1: was disgusting. It was farm raised catfish. They hadn't deep fat,

2030
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,000
Speaker 1: and I just assumed they did. And we just caught

2031
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 1: it up through it in the friar to take a

2032
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:53,560
Speaker 1: picture of a cat fried catfish play. But we eat

2033
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:55,440
Speaker 1: all that stuff, you know, like, oh yeah, but it

2034
01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 1: tastes like dogshit though. It was bad. So you can

2035
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:02,720
Speaker 1: see how the world over, you know, at least in

2036
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:05,680
Speaker 1: the first world country where they're buying meat in a store,

2037
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 1: you get turned off on catfish if that's what they're

2038
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 1: selling in the Midwest. I know, you think that we're

2039
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:13,880
Speaker 1: in it now, but the real let's say, the in

2040
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:18,600
Speaker 1: the upper in the upper Great Lakes, um, because they

2041
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:28,200
Speaker 1: have yellow perch wallee small mouth. People don't target catfish,

2042
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:31,840
Speaker 1: and catfish has a reputation as just being a muddy

2043
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:34,200
Speaker 1: tasteing fish. And I grew up thinking that and used

2044
01:59:34,240 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 1: to and we would catch them and fry them. And

2045
01:59:37,160 --> 01:59:40,000
Speaker 1: it's just not widely known. It is down here, for

2046
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 1: sure among people who target them. Is not widely known

2047
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:45,480
Speaker 1: that you needed that you need to trim your filets

2048
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:48,640
Speaker 1: because people up there used to eat in flames that

2049
01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:55,440
Speaker 1: need no trimming, right, So the so there you are,

2050
01:59:55,480 --> 02:00:00,120
Speaker 1: You're you're ranking them out. The other argument is, and

2051
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:04,480
Speaker 1: I think one that's more highly debatable. I think, like

2052
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:09,440
Speaker 1: you said, flatheads are our tops top shelf in the

2053
02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:14,520
Speaker 1: catfish shelving world. The blues and the channels or where

2054
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:20,240
Speaker 1: a great debate happens. Um. I prefer channels a little

2055
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 1: bit more than than blue cats because of the fat contact.

2056
02:00:25,640 --> 02:00:27,880
Speaker 1: And I do I want to point out that we

2057
02:00:28,120 --> 02:00:31,680
Speaker 1: caught a maybe a seven or eight pound channel. You

2058
02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:33,560
Speaker 1: said that's a channel. I was going, man, I think

2059
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:37,240
Speaker 1: that's a blue cat um because they're they're similar, and

2060
02:00:37,240 --> 02:00:40,440
Speaker 1: you were right. Um, we asked one of our fisheries, buddies,

2061
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:43,680
Speaker 1: and it's the it's the shape of the was it

2062
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:47,600
Speaker 1: the anal anal ray and a chance that's the best.

2063
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:49,680
Speaker 1: That's the best tip I've ever heard. Because they both

2064
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:53,720
Speaker 1: have a forked tail, right, Like some people call channels

2065
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:55,640
Speaker 1: forks because they have a forked tail, and the blue

2066
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:58,600
Speaker 1: has a fork tail. But the anal ray that's a

2067
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:00,440
Speaker 1: good tip. That's a hot tip that he that's a

2068
02:01:00,440 --> 02:01:04,280
Speaker 1: good one. And and so the anal ray on a

2069
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:07,400
Speaker 1: channel catfish. So if you go to the fin that

2070
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 1: sits on the bottom side, the bottom side that fits

2071
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:17,080
Speaker 1: between the between the vent in the tail, in the

2072
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:20,800
Speaker 1: caudal fin or tail, there's an anal ray and it's

2073
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:24,920
Speaker 1: you go ahead, yeah, um on a channel it's it's

2074
02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 1: curved like like the bottom of a channel would be.

2075
02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:31,520
Speaker 1: And that's that's the way he remembers it in his mind.

2076
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:34,920
Speaker 1: So it's it's like a like a D shape or

2077
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:38,600
Speaker 1: a curved canoe shape. It describes like an arc an

2078
02:01:38,720 --> 02:01:44,320
Speaker 1: arc on the blue cat that fin is flat like

2079
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 1: a straight line. Yeah, it's like a radius along straight

2080
02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:50,880
Speaker 1: line and another radius that comes back up into the fish.

2081
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to forget that and I've struggled with

2082
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:57,440
Speaker 1: it a lot, and I've had people send me pictures

2083
02:01:58,320 --> 02:01:59,880
Speaker 1: being like, hey, it's a blue cat, and I'm like,

2084
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:01,640
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a channel cat, and you go, no,

2085
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:03,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a blue cat, right. But it's just

2086
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 1: a final, done deal done because there's a little bit

2087
02:02:06,440 --> 02:02:10,240
Speaker 1: of color variation. But them, damn, the blue cats are gorgeous. Yeah,

2088
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:12,680
Speaker 1: they're blue, man, and they look like it looks like

2089
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:15,720
Speaker 1: it looks like they got skin like a mako shark man,

2090
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 1: that kind of color, you know. And then uh, channels

2091
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:23,680
Speaker 1: have that like a yellowish grayish and then the flats

2092
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:27,320
Speaker 1: and the Great Lakes, the flats are a deeper, almost

2093
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:30,680
Speaker 1: chocolate brown. But here they that some people then call

2094
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:34,160
Speaker 1: them yellows, right, yellow cats, right, yeah, And you get

2095
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:37,680
Speaker 1: some color variation in those even here, Yeah, there will

2096
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:40,080
Speaker 1: be some dark brown. That fifty pounder had like a

2097
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:43,720
Speaker 1: ghostly yellow to it. Those big ones are like that.

2098
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:47,520
Speaker 1: You see that big old yellow head come up on

2099
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:51,720
Speaker 1: a bank pole. It's exciting. Man, he doesn't see the

2100
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:54,840
Speaker 1: sun much. It's one of the biggest freshwater fish you're

2101
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:59,560
Speaker 1: gonna monkey with. Yeah, other than sturgeon, I think so

2102
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:06,600
Speaker 1: widely available, well managed right sustainable yield type thing. I mean,

2103
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:09,360
Speaker 1: sturgeon are big with they're hurting right all over the

2104
02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:14,520
Speaker 1: hurt like no one's let's say there's places, right, there's

2105
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:16,720
Speaker 1: places where you can do some freezer filling on sturge

2106
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:19,360
Speaker 1: and in a tightly regulated fashion. But like flatheads are

2107
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:21,720
Speaker 1: like you know, and as they as they phase out

2108
02:03:21,800 --> 02:03:25,400
Speaker 1: some of the commercial fisheries, because there's still this is

2109
02:03:25,400 --> 02:03:26,800
Speaker 1: the kind of a little known thing that you know,

2110
02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:31,839
Speaker 1: there's very few freshwater commercial fisheries in the US, particularly

2111
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:34,240
Speaker 1: for native fish. Like when you rule out there's some

2112
02:03:34,280 --> 02:03:37,440
Speaker 1: commercial fisheries for non natives, but when you rule out

2113
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:44,839
Speaker 1: the non native commercial fisheries, there's very few freshwater native

2114
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:52,360
Speaker 1: species commercial fishing that goes on in this country. You know.

2115
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:54,480
Speaker 1: Then you got like a salmon in Alaska and the

2116
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:57,000
Speaker 1: people debate, like our salmon saltwater fresh water. My brothers

2117
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:59,600
Speaker 1: a fisheries biologist. He points out that they begin their

2118
02:03:59,640 --> 02:04:05,000
Speaker 1: life and end their life and fresh water. There are

2119
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:08,240
Speaker 1: they spend a lot of time out in saltwater, but

2120
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 1: there are some that never even touched saltwater. And he says,

2121
02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:13,720
Speaker 1: he's like, it's arguable that the salmon is a it's

2122
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:17,040
Speaker 1: a freshwater species. So there's a commercial fishery for those

2123
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:20,720
Speaker 1: up there, right, but here's very little. And I think

2124
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:24,680
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's not like an increased there's not

2125
02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:29,680
Speaker 1: an increasing commercial exploitation of catfish. It's a decrease in

2126
02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:37,600
Speaker 1: commercial exploitation of catfish. Absolutely, catfish are being uh, you know,

2127
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:43,040
Speaker 1: even if even with aquaculture or growing catfish, the catfish

2128
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:45,840
Speaker 1: farmers have really been hurting, you know, the past few years,

2129
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:50,320
Speaker 1: because that's the species is just not looked at as

2130
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:54,480
Speaker 1: that great of a food fish as it has it

2131
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:56,200
Speaker 1: has been in the past. And I don't know, I

2132
02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 1: don't know why. You know, some of these other things

2133
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:01,280
Speaker 1: are becoming more more popular to others, specs and easy

2134
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:05,640
Speaker 1: to grow, and you know, telapia kind of overtaken catfish,

2135
02:05:05,640 --> 02:05:07,560
Speaker 1: and man, you couldn't get me to eat a telopia

2136
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:12,880
Speaker 1: for anything. Those they market under different names to nile, well,

2137
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:17,280
Speaker 1: Nile Perchase, because they're you know, that's one of their

2138
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:21,120
Speaker 1: native ranges. You don't like tapia, you just don't like

2139
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:24,000
Speaker 1: the idea. I don't like the idea of it. I

2140
02:05:24,040 --> 02:05:27,760
Speaker 1: don't you know the I think I heard um in

2141
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:32,040
Speaker 1: Florida and the everglades like half the biomass of fish telopia,

2142
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, invasive and and there. Uh, I mean, I

2143
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:39,280
Speaker 1: don't know the I mean they're like a carp They're

2144
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:45,280
Speaker 1: a vegetative, vegetative eating I don't know, man, they grow

2145
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:47,760
Speaker 1: them in cesspools on like a catfish. And I don't know,

2146
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was in the Philippines and they

2147
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:54,400
Speaker 1: have rice terraces. These are like communities where you can't

2148
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:56,800
Speaker 1: not even roade accessible. You have to like hike into

2149
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 1: these areas in the Philippines, and there's people that have

2150
02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:03,920
Speaker 1: the thousand year old rice terraces and they do a

2151
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:08,440
Speaker 1: rice harvest, so they'll grow a crop of rice, harvest it,

2152
02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 1: and then as a way of fertilizing and regenerating the

2153
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:18,320
Speaker 1: capabilities of the soil, they'll put in a harvest of

2154
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:23,000
Speaker 1: tilapia and let the tilapia live in there and the

2155
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:28,400
Speaker 1: fish defecate, right, and then you harvest the tilapia and

2156
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:32,680
Speaker 1: then replant rice. And that system tilapia seemed cool to

2157
02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:36,440
Speaker 1: me because it seemed like this very like harmonious kind

2158
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:39,080
Speaker 1: of system that they've developed. And in that way, like

2159
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:41,720
Speaker 1: eating tilapia was cool. I thought was just like a

2160
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:44,400
Speaker 1: cool way they had to go about it, and that

2161
02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:47,240
Speaker 1: in that particular situation, I looked at sloppy is being

2162
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:50,360
Speaker 1: like a badass fish. But you know them as a

2163
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:55,000
Speaker 1: non native, it becomes not as a them as a

2164
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:57,040
Speaker 1: non native. In the u s, they somehow lose a

2165
02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:59,760
Speaker 1: little bit of that. A friend of mine caused them

2166
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:03,480
Speaker 1: to away green of what was that movie, charl Soiling Green.

2167
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:09,080
Speaker 1: We're eating people. It's people. Yeah, he calls it the

2168
02:07:09,120 --> 02:07:12,880
Speaker 1: soiling green of the fish world. But you know, a

2169
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:18,680
Speaker 1: rainbow trout is equally as synthetic. It's a manmade fish,

2170
02:07:19,120 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 1: farm raiser, just gen if you look at like what

2171
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:26,000
Speaker 1: we've done with the rainbow trout propagated all around the world,

2172
02:07:26,080 --> 02:07:30,360
Speaker 1: moved in barrels everywhere the stocking right, So it's it's

2173
02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:36,640
Speaker 1: like a you know, outside of the Pacific rim um,

2174
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:38,840
Speaker 1: it's a man made fish because rainbows aren't native to

2175
02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:42,400
Speaker 1: like Midwest or any of that brown trout in this country.

2176
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:45,080
Speaker 1: It's a manmade fish. Brown trout too. Man, you're eur

2177
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:49,800
Speaker 1: asing man. It's an invasive he's audit. Brooks are native.

2178
02:07:49,960 --> 02:07:53,120
Speaker 1: Brock trotter native in the East, cutthroat native in the West,

2179
02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:56,560
Speaker 1: native in the west. That's yeah. Yeah, when you're on

2180
02:07:56,640 --> 02:08:01,160
Speaker 1: some pristine river casting dries at a brown, it's a

2181
02:08:01,400 --> 02:08:03,400
Speaker 1: it's a barrel fish. Dude came over in the barrel.

2182
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:06,120
Speaker 1: Give me the muddy river and a big flat man.

2183
02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:11,760
Speaker 1: Well you're a river man, though, So you like channel.

2184
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:13,800
Speaker 1: Explain the other side, the flip side of this, because

2185
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:16,680
Speaker 1: you like a channel better to blue. Explain what you're saying.

2186
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:20,720
Speaker 1: It's contentious. It is contentious. Uh. The good thing about

2187
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:23,080
Speaker 1: a blue catfish is they get great big and so

2188
02:08:23,200 --> 02:08:27,400
Speaker 1: there's a sheer amount of meat argument that you could

2189
02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:32,040
Speaker 1: use for fishing blues. The channels don't get nearest big um.

2190
02:08:32,120 --> 02:08:36,200
Speaker 1: So there's that aspect of it. But man, I don't know.

2191
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:38,520
Speaker 1: Some of some of the guys just really prefer one

2192
02:08:38,720 --> 02:08:43,760
Speaker 1: over the other. And I don't know. Um, I'm a

2193
02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:47,480
Speaker 1: channel man, if if if given the opportunity. Now, I

2194
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:51,200
Speaker 1: like channels because out in my neck of the woods,

2195
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:56,600
Speaker 1: that's the one we have greatest access to. So the

2196
02:08:56,640 --> 02:09:00,240
Speaker 1: lower Yellowstone River, like, we fish channels and there that's

2197
02:09:00,240 --> 02:09:05,520
Speaker 1: what you find there. I've heard rumors, they're unsubstantiated. Yeah,

2198
02:09:05,560 --> 02:09:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've heard rumors about how far up

2199
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:10,440
Speaker 1: that system Blue is making and sometimes they pushed the

2200
02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:15,800
Speaker 1: that they've been found way above their known westward terminus.

2201
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:18,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we go after channels. But after

2202
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:23,320
Speaker 1: this hanging out doing this, I'm definitely like, I agree

2203
02:09:23,320 --> 02:09:26,280
Speaker 1: with you. There's a mystique of those flatheads. Like I'm

2204
02:09:26,280 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 1: with you. If I live in a place that had flatheads,

2205
02:09:29,160 --> 02:09:33,160
Speaker 1: I would be if I would be a flathead guy. Um,

2206
02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:35,440
Speaker 1: I like to fish yellow. I would probably abandon a

2207
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:40,080
Speaker 1: lot of my activities in favor of fishing flatheads. They're cool,

2208
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:42,920
Speaker 1: They're super cool, and I know that they're so cool

2209
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:45,640
Speaker 1: in fact that a lot of people now are sort

2210
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:49,960
Speaker 1: of trouting them, trout eising them where it's becoming taboo,

2211
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:53,480
Speaker 1: Like some people want to take like the bat the

2212
02:09:53,720 --> 02:09:59,040
Speaker 1: large mouth bass aesthetic and apply it to flats where

2213
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:01,520
Speaker 1: they become like this touchable. You're not supposed to eat them,

2214
02:10:01,560 --> 02:10:03,280
Speaker 1: hey man, I'm good with that. As long as people

2215
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:06,360
Speaker 1: could keep putting flat heads back in the river, that's

2216
02:10:06,360 --> 02:10:09,360
Speaker 1: fine with me. It's more for me to catch. You

2217
02:10:10,160 --> 02:10:11,920
Speaker 1: got a good point. Can you explain your point on

2218
02:10:12,600 --> 02:10:14,360
Speaker 1: or I could do it for you. On what your

2219
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:22,560
Speaker 1: thoughts on uh heavy metal contamination yeah, I think. I

2220
02:10:22,680 --> 02:10:25,240
Speaker 1: like to think in my mind this every time somebody

2221
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:28,520
Speaker 1: asks me, well, what about the heavy metals, And it

2222
02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:31,080
Speaker 1: goes and through my head like the flesh contamp, the

2223
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:34,280
Speaker 1: contamination of flesh from industrial plutes. Aren't you worried about

2224
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:37,360
Speaker 1: mercury or whatever? And I think, in my mind, man,

2225
02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:46,440
Speaker 1: if I can fish, catch clean, cook, fry up, and

2226
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:51,720
Speaker 1: eat so many flathead catfish that I get sick and

2227
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:56,960
Speaker 1: die and die, I will have one at life. Man, Like,

2228
02:10:57,120 --> 02:11:01,840
Speaker 1: look at Parker. He's ninety, but the mercury finally got him.

2229
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:05,920
Speaker 1: He's gray, right, Yeah, that dude caught a bunch of flats.

2230
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:11,760
Speaker 1: He must have some good spots. Yeah. Uh. It's the

2231
02:11:11,800 --> 02:11:14,120
Speaker 1: same argument when when you go with deep, like or

2232
02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:16,840
Speaker 1: is that deep good for hims? Like I don't know, man,

2233
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:18,920
Speaker 1: maybe he catch cancer in like sixty years, But do

2234
02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:21,839
Speaker 1: you want lime disease or cute you know, spinal swelling

2235
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:29,400
Speaker 1: from some other disease or chiggers spray it on? Man? Yeah,

2236
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I used deep, Yeah, and I was

2237
02:11:32,080 --> 02:11:33,680
Speaker 1: like I was explaining to you, I saw a deep

2238
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:39,080
Speaker 1: warp the back of my phone case off and destroying

2239
02:11:39,200 --> 02:11:43,680
Speaker 1: my phone. I still put it on my body now

2240
02:11:43,720 --> 02:11:48,720
Speaker 1: and then because I've also had lime disease and I've

2241
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:56,920
Speaker 1: also had chigger infestations. So we got on cats. Anybody

2242
02:11:56,960 --> 02:12:00,879
Speaker 1: got anything any final thoughts on cats? Cast some baggin's.

2243
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:09,640
Speaker 1: They're cool fish, just a giant they look like dinosaurs. Yeah. Yeah.

2244
02:12:09,640 --> 02:12:13,160
Speaker 1: We were looking at after Parker uh finished cleaning the

2245
02:12:13,160 --> 02:12:15,280
Speaker 1: big one. We like, I mean, steps were like looking

2246
02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:16,760
Speaker 1: at it hanging on the tree and there was like

2247
02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:20,480
Speaker 1: you can look up through its guilt plate into its mouth.

2248
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:22,640
Speaker 1: It's just like such a simple thing because like you

2249
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:24,600
Speaker 1: could just look up and you're like, oh, and then

2250
02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:28,160
Speaker 1: that's the inside of it, and it's like, I mean

2251
02:12:28,200 --> 02:12:30,800
Speaker 1: what you're looking into that gaping mall. Yeah, and it's

2252
02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:35,080
Speaker 1: just so yeah, man, I like that they don't um no,

2253
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:39,040
Speaker 1: like teeth. I mean they have like sand paper, yeah

2254
02:12:39,160 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 1: a really their mouth, their bottom and top lip or

2255
02:12:42,160 --> 02:12:44,480
Speaker 1: colda with a really grippy sandpaper, and then they have

2256
02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:47,760
Speaker 1: these crushers in the back of their throat that are

2257
02:12:47,800 --> 02:12:50,560
Speaker 1: colded with sandpaper. Like when he gets a hold of

2258
02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:53,040
Speaker 1: something that something's not going anywhere, but he doesn't have

2259
02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:55,360
Speaker 1: It's nice. It's a nice fish when you can just

2260
02:12:55,400 --> 02:12:58,800
Speaker 1: reach in there a fifty pounder and reaching there and

2261
02:12:58,840 --> 02:13:03,280
Speaker 1: his grab his lip and not ribbing your hand. That's

2262
02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:06,160
Speaker 1: nice because this is satisfying to pick up those cats

2263
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:11,240
Speaker 1: by that bottom lip. Man, I think I don't like

2264
02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:13,160
Speaker 1: the bottoms. How long? How long they live in the

2265
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:16,080
Speaker 1: bottom of the boat. My sister in law when we fished,

2266
02:13:16,120 --> 02:13:21,720
Speaker 1: our sister in law, Juanita, she makes us promptly kill

2267
02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:24,520
Speaker 1: every fish, and it's time consuming when you're into them

2268
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:27,800
Speaker 1: real good. She will not be in a boat with

2269
02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:30,120
Speaker 1: a live fish in that boat. This is getting me

2270
02:13:30,120 --> 02:13:32,280
Speaker 1: in trouble right now. Just so you know, My wife's

2271
02:13:32,280 --> 02:13:36,760
Speaker 1: the same exactly. She'll sometimes not even she'll stop fishing

2272
02:13:37,160 --> 02:13:39,360
Speaker 1: just to be the person who dispatches all the fish.

2273
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:40,880
Speaker 1: She'll the fish because we remeb brother that wo'll get

2274
02:13:40,920 --> 02:13:44,960
Speaker 1: him later. But she treats it like, yeah, that you

2275
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:47,560
Speaker 1: need to promptly dispatch the fish. She would not like

2276
02:13:48,040 --> 02:13:51,920
Speaker 1: bank polling. She had to bring a shotgun. It's not

2277
02:13:51,960 --> 02:13:55,600
Speaker 1: easy to dispatch a fifty pound fish in the boat.

2278
02:13:55,960 --> 02:13:57,440
Speaker 1: You have to use cover. You have to bring a

2279
02:13:57,440 --> 02:13:59,760
Speaker 1: snake charmer out with you and hang them over the

2280
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:01,400
Speaker 1: side the boat and hit h with a snake charmer,

2281
02:14:01,480 --> 02:14:06,080
Speaker 1: like like castaways drawing lots Man. Have you ever read

2282
02:14:06,120 --> 02:14:10,600
Speaker 1: that book in the Heart of the Sea. Oh? Thanks goodness?

2283
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:21,400
Speaker 1: Um anything else, no one. I have one thing that

2284
02:14:21,480 --> 02:14:26,280
Speaker 1: I thought about on the way over here. I want

2285
02:14:26,280 --> 02:14:30,280
Speaker 1: to go back to what happened at the end of

2286
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:34,600
Speaker 1: the squirrel hunt. We're back to squiring yesterday, and I

2287
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:36,920
Speaker 1: was thinking the reason to be missing that rabbit. The

2288
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:42,440
Speaker 1: reason people don't use slings that are jump shooting rabbits

2289
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:47,160
Speaker 1: or quail or jump shooting it just in general is

2290
02:14:47,240 --> 02:14:52,160
Speaker 1: because of what happened yesterday. I think, because that's a

2291
02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:54,760
Speaker 1: real that was an issue. I used my sling on

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02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:57,240
Speaker 1: my shotgun turkey hunting, and I used my sling on

2293
02:14:57,320 --> 02:14:59,120
Speaker 1: my shotgun squirrel hunt, where you're doing a lot of

2294
02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:01,320
Speaker 1: walking around, and was Rohn, because I need to use

2295
02:15:01,320 --> 02:15:03,600
Speaker 1: my binoculars. I need to be able to put my

2296
02:15:03,640 --> 02:15:06,160
Speaker 1: shotgun on my shoulder whatever to look for my binoculars.

2297
02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:09,440
Speaker 1: Same use bnoculars turkey hunt. Used binoculars all the time

2298
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:13,160
Speaker 1: turkey hunt. So if I was out quail hunting or

2299
02:15:13,200 --> 02:15:16,920
Speaker 1: cotton tail hunting, I wouldn't have the sling on it.

2300
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:21,600
Speaker 1: But it saved that rabbit's life. It did. It was

2301
02:15:21,720 --> 02:15:26,480
Speaker 1: it was apparent a rabbit kicked up right at the

2302
02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:29,600
Speaker 1: end of the hunt, close to the truck and ran

2303
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:34,960
Speaker 1: directly away from a beautiful j route to you, and

2304
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:39,560
Speaker 1: they got ja. Yeah, the here I come, you know,

2305
02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:44,120
Speaker 1: like going around a greyhound ring, you know, like here

2306
02:15:44,120 --> 02:15:47,360
Speaker 1: I come, and then ran directly away from you for

2307
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:50,240
Speaker 1: like until it disappeared, like sixty or seven at a

2308
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:53,240
Speaker 1: trajectory where you need to do no aiming, right, just

2309
02:15:53,640 --> 02:15:57,440
Speaker 1: pointing that general direction, and I fling my shotgun up

2310
02:15:57,600 --> 02:16:01,880
Speaker 1: and the sling of somehow tangle around it. You can't see,

2311
02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:07,600
Speaker 1: but Gabriel, you know, good blouch anyways, but just like

2312
02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:11,440
Speaker 1: off in that direction looking through a sling. Yeah, I

2313
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:14,480
Speaker 1: was dumbfounded. And you said you said the slings and

2314
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:17,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't see. I was like, ah, because it was

2315
02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:19,320
Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't a thin sling that when you

2316
02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:22,440
Speaker 1: he know, it's like a padded shoulder. It's called a

2317
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:24,640
Speaker 1: Folks should know this. It's called what do they call

2318
02:16:24,680 --> 02:16:29,400
Speaker 1: those quakes? Those some nice freaking slings. Man? What I

2319
02:16:29,480 --> 02:16:31,280
Speaker 1: do on them? Know, the hardware on them is no

2320
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:35,000
Speaker 1: good when you buy them? What's that company makes? No

2321
02:16:35,440 --> 02:16:40,160
Speaker 1: grove tech? I take the quake sling and cut the herd.

2322
02:16:40,440 --> 02:16:43,360
Speaker 1: One end, you can just undo the hardware because it

2323
02:16:43,400 --> 02:16:46,000
Speaker 1: comes like Uncle Mike's on it. So on one end

2324
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:48,440
Speaker 1: or something, I can't hember what hardware they used, but anyways,

2325
02:16:48,440 --> 02:16:51,360
Speaker 1: on one end I undo, you can just undo it

2326
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:56,440
Speaker 1: and put a grove Tech mount on it, grove Tech hardware.

2327
02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:58,360
Speaker 1: On the other end, the other end, you actually got

2328
02:16:58,360 --> 02:17:02,240
Speaker 1: to cut through the still itching. Put a grove Tech

2329
02:17:02,280 --> 02:17:05,960
Speaker 1: on there. You just order the growth text online, put

2330
02:17:05,959 --> 02:17:07,720
Speaker 1: a grove Tech on there, put it back, and then

2331
02:17:07,720 --> 02:17:09,840
Speaker 1: I gotta get dental flossed in my big gass needle

2332
02:17:10,480 --> 02:17:12,720
Speaker 1: and redo all the stitching, and then you got a

2333
02:17:12,720 --> 02:17:18,440
Speaker 1: sling and then you got live rabbits. Yeah, that should

2334
02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:21,120
Speaker 1: be should be in your bag. That was embarrassing. What

2335
02:17:21,160 --> 02:17:23,680
Speaker 1: a treat that would have been, that little added rabbit. Man,

2336
02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:26,320
Speaker 1: it was embarrassing. But from a camera perspective, like me

2337
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:28,080
Speaker 1: and Mike were like right that you guys are just

2338
02:17:28,120 --> 02:17:30,880
Speaker 1: talking and it just had like for the camera, it

2339
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:32,720
Speaker 1: just happened so naturally, and it would have been so

2340
02:17:32,840 --> 02:17:36,640
Speaker 1: it's like the rabbit, I just see everything Mike's on Parker.

2341
02:17:36,720 --> 02:17:38,400
Speaker 1: It's just like if the scene was I mean, it

2342
02:17:38,440 --> 02:17:40,080
Speaker 1: still was a fun scene, but like yeah, if that

2343
02:17:40,480 --> 02:17:43,400
Speaker 1: rabbit that the whole thing, man. Yeah, yeah, we were

2344
02:17:43,560 --> 02:17:46,800
Speaker 1: right there really. Yeah. It was like I was like,

2345
02:17:46,879 --> 02:17:49,760
Speaker 1: this was over the shoulder, over the shoulder man. Everything.

2346
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:52,280
Speaker 1: It was like the perfect We dig out that footage

2347
02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:58,320
Speaker 1: so I can use that footage. Man. Yeah, that was embarrassing.

2348
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't think you should be embarrassed. It was an issue.

2349
02:18:00,760 --> 02:18:03,720
Speaker 1: It's a sling issue. You couldn't see. I would have

2350
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:06,120
Speaker 1: made fun of you if you'd have just missed that one.

2351
02:18:06,200 --> 02:18:08,879
Speaker 1: But that was nice to have that little crutch. That

2352
02:18:08,959 --> 02:18:15,920
Speaker 1: wasn't your little thing, like that wasn't your fault anything else. Well,

2353
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:20,560
Speaker 1: I got a concluder um after a like our our

2354
02:18:20,959 --> 02:18:23,880
Speaker 1: merch store, it's been lackluster for a long time, but

2355
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:26,240
Speaker 1: we're getting a really hardcore back up and running. And

2356
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:29,440
Speaker 1: we just got in stock a whole bunch of meat

2357
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:34,800
Speaker 1: Eator podcast t shirts, including our blouch shirt. So if

2358
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:36,760
Speaker 1: you go into the to the meaater dot com and

2359
02:18:36,800 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 1: go into the story, you'll be able to get yourself

2360
02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:40,800
Speaker 1: a Mediator podcast T shirt. And I was saying in

2361
02:18:40,840 --> 02:18:44,480
Speaker 1: the description the even if you don't know what it means,

2362
02:18:44,560 --> 02:18:46,200
Speaker 1: it's just a cool shirt with a weird word on

2363
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:50,840
Speaker 1: it right, keeps people guessing. You can go with the

2364
02:18:50,920 --> 02:18:52,440
Speaker 1: ladies in the bar and be like, check this out.

2365
02:18:52,440 --> 02:18:57,760
Speaker 1: What do you think that means? I recently heard about

2366
02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:03,680
Speaker 1: a guy who goes to the bar and brings as

2367
02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:05,800
Speaker 1: the only want to bring this up, He for some

2368
02:19:05,879 --> 02:19:08,360
Speaker 1: reason puts tic TACs. He carries the thing a tic

2369
02:19:08,400 --> 02:19:12,440
Speaker 1: TACs around in his pocket and he reaches when he's

2370
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:14,680
Speaker 1: talking to a woman in the bar, he reaches into

2371
02:19:14,720 --> 02:19:17,720
Speaker 1: his pocket and shakes that tic tac thing goes. I

2372
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:22,200
Speaker 1: hear rattlesnake, there's a rattlesnake in my pants or something.

2373
02:19:22,840 --> 02:19:26,879
Speaker 1: Remember thinking that, like the quality of person that that's

2374
02:19:26,879 --> 02:19:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna dredge up, I always used as a filter of

2375
02:19:31,480 --> 02:19:35,920
Speaker 1: who I didn't want. I feel like the quality matches quality.

2376
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:37,520
Speaker 1: Like if you're the type of dude to go into

2377
02:19:37,520 --> 02:19:39,920
Speaker 1: a bar and do that, the person that you're gonna

2378
02:19:39,680 --> 02:19:42,080
Speaker 1: go to net probably the person that that trick is

2379
02:19:42,120 --> 02:19:46,640
Speaker 1: gonna net. Yea perfect matter. There's a rattlesnake in my pants. Yeah,

2380
02:19:46,760 --> 02:19:49,680
Speaker 1: that's what he says. That's known as the local factor.

2381
02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't call him any I don't I agree. I

2382
02:19:57,879 --> 02:20:00,200
Speaker 1: don't I agree at the bar, H you know, I

2383
02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:05,440
Speaker 1: actually got a double concluder. Because here's the deal. I

2384
02:20:05,480 --> 02:20:09,879
Speaker 1: go fish channel catfish every year, um on the Lower

2385
02:20:09,959 --> 02:20:13,880
Speaker 1: Yellowstone and we have over the years go out there

2386
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:15,879
Speaker 1: with my kids, and over the years we have developed

2387
02:20:15,879 --> 02:20:19,920
Speaker 1: we have perfected, between me and my bro the perfect

2388
02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:25,120
Speaker 1: fried catfish sandwich. And we have a link to a

2389
02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:28,960
Speaker 1: video about how you can go No, not a link,

2390
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:31,200
Speaker 1: Let's go watch the damn video if you go to

2391
02:20:31,240 --> 02:20:34,000
Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com, or you can go to

2392
02:20:34,040 --> 02:20:35,800
Speaker 1: the show notes and find a link in the show

2393
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:40,000
Speaker 1: notes and you can see our video about how to

2394
02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:42,400
Speaker 1: make the perfect It's not it's like a I I

2395
02:20:42,879 --> 02:20:45,320
Speaker 1: like it because we make the sandwich with catfish, but

2396
02:20:45,320 --> 02:20:47,880
Speaker 1: it's good for anything. And in fact, I don't know, man,

2397
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:49,880
Speaker 1: you can make the sandwich with any kind of fried fish,

2398
02:20:50,120 --> 02:20:56,320
Speaker 1: rock fish, catfish, smallmouth, bassball, I don't care. But um

2399
02:20:56,360 --> 02:20:58,360
Speaker 1: we break it all down to this video and you

2400
02:20:58,400 --> 02:20:59,920
Speaker 1: go check it out again. Go to the meat eat

2401
02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:04,480
Speaker 1: dot com and you'll find the perfect catfish Sandwich recipe

2402
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,800
Speaker 1: or like I said, link in the show notes. And

2403
02:21:08,040 --> 02:21:11,800
Speaker 1: here's the deal is it's it's also captured in our

2404
02:21:12,360 --> 02:21:17,680
Speaker 1: forthcoming The Meter Fishing Game cookbook. UM, so you can

2405
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:23,120
Speaker 1: find it there as well. Any more concluders anyone ridge. Uh,

2406
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:25,360
Speaker 1: you don't make one up for no reason. No, not

2407
02:21:25,400 --> 02:21:28,200
Speaker 1: making one up, just reflecting on the life of a

2408
02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:30,000
Speaker 1: river man and a squirrel man. And then it's a

2409
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:36,680
Speaker 1: good one, good rewarding, rewarding life. Man. You could see it.

2410
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:41,320
Speaker 1: I could. Yeah, I could. In a different life, I

2411
02:21:41,360 --> 02:21:45,440
Speaker 1: could be a part of it. Fully. Yeah. That was

2412
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:49,080
Speaker 1: on your fortune cookie last night. It was yeah, business opportunity,

2413
02:21:49,800 --> 02:21:53,520
Speaker 1: trapping pigs. We're just living on a river, trying to

2414
02:21:53,560 --> 02:22:02,800
Speaker 1: avoid math seth final thoughts. Ah, that was just cool

2415
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:07,400
Speaker 1: hanging out with you, Parker. Learn a lot it. Come on,

2416
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:09,000
Speaker 1: it's a good time. It was fun. Yeah. And you

2417
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:11,520
Speaker 1: grew up chasing the wildly squirrel Yeah, I grew up

2418
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:16,640
Speaker 1: chasing squirrels. But my first flathead experience good. So no

2419
02:22:16,760 --> 02:22:20,560
Speaker 1: flatheads in Pennsylvania. I don't. I don't even know. We

2420
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:23,160
Speaker 1: never There's something we just never pursued, you know. You

2421
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:26,880
Speaker 1: know what, man, we caught a big flat one time

2422
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:30,040
Speaker 1: out of I need not native there. We caught a

2423
02:22:30,080 --> 02:22:33,800
Speaker 1: big flat one time out of the Delaware between pencilhere

2424
02:22:33,800 --> 02:22:38,080
Speaker 1: it flows between Pennsylvania New York. Yeah, I need to

2425
02:22:38,120 --> 02:22:39,880
Speaker 1: go back and look at a picture of that catfish. Man,

2426
02:22:39,879 --> 02:22:41,280
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago, but I feel like

2427
02:22:41,440 --> 02:22:43,800
Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah, I feel we caught a big flat

2428
02:22:43,800 --> 02:22:47,280
Speaker 1: out of the Delaware. Knowing what I know now. If

2429
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, if I was back in Pennsylvania and I

2430
02:22:49,959 --> 02:22:53,120
Speaker 1: knew they had flats, that'd be all over him. Well,

2431
02:22:53,160 --> 02:22:55,080
Speaker 1: we're not like these ones, you know. I mean, I

2432
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:57,000
Speaker 1: don't think there's not any place you're gonna go out

2433
02:22:57,000 --> 02:22:59,680
Speaker 1: and get them like this. I speared, going too big flat.

2434
02:22:59,720 --> 02:23:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't Lake Michigan because sometimes in the late summer

2435
02:23:02,920 --> 02:23:05,040
Speaker 1: the lakes get so hot. You know the break walls

2436
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:07,560
Speaker 1: they have with the Great Lakes at all, you remember

2437
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:10,560
Speaker 1: the break wall is so like and the Great Lakes,

2438
02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:12,800
Speaker 1: oh like, if you go on the western side of

2439
02:23:12,920 --> 02:23:15,960
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan, you have all the river systems that are

2440
02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:18,880
Speaker 1: they're flowing west towards Lake Michigan, and the river systems

2441
02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:21,760
Speaker 1: usually passed through like a large you know, like like

2442
02:23:21,879 --> 02:23:23,920
Speaker 1: a large estuary where should be like the lake so

2443
02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:28,920
Speaker 1: white Lake Moskegon Lake are the river mouths, and so

2444
02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:31,600
Speaker 1: the rivers will spill out and they'll form these big

2445
02:23:31,720 --> 02:23:35,600
Speaker 1: lakes that form against the sand dunes that formed the

2446
02:23:36,680 --> 02:23:40,240
Speaker 1: shoreline of Lake Michigan, and then they hold back these

2447
02:23:40,280 --> 02:23:42,720
Speaker 1: big bodies of water, and then there'll be a channel

2448
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:48,160
Speaker 1: that leads that drains that lake out into Lake Michigan.

2449
02:23:48,200 --> 02:23:52,160
Speaker 1: And the channels used to migrate, but they eventually came

2450
02:23:52,200 --> 02:23:54,280
Speaker 1: in and channelized them with big channel walls. So they

2451
02:23:54,320 --> 02:23:56,800
Speaker 1: built channel walls for shipping so that ships could come

2452
02:23:56,959 --> 02:24:00,160
Speaker 1: off the Great Lakes through the channels into the big lakes.

2453
02:24:00,200 --> 02:24:02,360
Speaker 1: And the cities are built around the big lakes, and

2454
02:24:02,480 --> 02:24:06,800
Speaker 1: you had mills and you know, coal fire generators and

2455
02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:08,920
Speaker 1: all this stuff they needed to get coal and lumber

2456
02:24:08,959 --> 02:24:13,840
Speaker 1: out all that um. To protect those channel mouths, the

2457
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:17,000
Speaker 1: channelized channel mouths, you'd build these brake walls to bust

2458
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:19,400
Speaker 1: up the surf. And so they would just take rip

2459
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:23,080
Speaker 1: rap giant slabs of concrete and ship and build these

2460
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:26,440
Speaker 1: big protective arms that sort of stretch out and come

2461
02:24:26,480 --> 02:24:28,440
Speaker 1: back in almost like a like a diamond shape, but

2462
02:24:28,520 --> 02:24:32,240
Speaker 1: the points cut off it to protect the channel from waves.

2463
02:24:33,160 --> 02:24:36,160
Speaker 1: And when the lakes get super warm, if it's a

2464
02:24:36,280 --> 02:24:40,160
Speaker 1: really hot late summer, the big flatheads would come out

2465
02:24:40,200 --> 02:24:44,360
Speaker 1: of there and go out and then live in those

2466
02:24:44,480 --> 02:24:47,040
Speaker 1: rock piles. Because it also gets so hot that a

2467
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:50,280
Speaker 1: lot of suckers and stuff will come out, or they're

2468
02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:52,120
Speaker 1: coming up from the depths of Lake Michigan, don't know,

2469
02:24:52,600 --> 02:24:55,000
Speaker 1: but they will come out, and yellow perch will come

2470
02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:57,160
Speaker 1: in and all be living in those rocks where the

2471
02:24:57,200 --> 02:25:00,680
Speaker 1: water is nice, much cooler than inside. And the big

2472
02:25:00,760 --> 02:25:03,400
Speaker 1: flat has to come out and land there and you

2473
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:09,080
Speaker 1: can uh there. You're allowed to spear gun. There's the

2474
02:25:09,120 --> 02:25:11,600
Speaker 1: only certain things you can spear gun or shoot with

2475
02:25:11,640 --> 02:25:15,080
Speaker 1: a bow. But catfish are among them. And I went

2476
02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:19,360
Speaker 1: out one time when we were diving down spearing red

2477
02:25:19,440 --> 02:25:22,480
Speaker 1: horse suckers, but I ran into in spirited giant flathead

2478
02:25:22,560 --> 02:25:25,640
Speaker 1: out in Lake Michigan. So in that way, I'm among

2479
02:25:25,720 --> 02:25:30,000
Speaker 1: a very small, small minority of the American population who

2480
02:25:30,080 --> 02:25:34,320
Speaker 1: spearheaded a flathead out of Lake Michigan. Yeah, two or

2481
02:25:34,360 --> 02:25:36,000
Speaker 1: three dudes are gonna write in and be I did

2482
02:25:36,040 --> 02:25:39,160
Speaker 1: it too. But it's a small subset of the American

2483
02:25:39,240 --> 02:25:42,560
Speaker 1: population that the spirit flat Lake Michigan. Yeah, any of

2484
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:52,640
Speaker 1: you see, I told you that's my concluder. Michael Um.

2485
02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:57,160
Speaker 1: I had a great time, enjoyed it. Yeah, following you guys.

2486
02:25:57,560 --> 02:26:00,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, I did bleed a few times

2487
02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:03,280
Speaker 1: more the first day. But yeah, that was a fun

2488
02:26:03,440 --> 02:26:06,320
Speaker 1: first time filming you guys. I've been watching in the

2489
02:26:06,400 --> 02:26:08,320
Speaker 1: show for a while, so it was kind of weird

2490
02:26:08,400 --> 02:26:11,560
Speaker 1: to be following you. But it's helpful because you probably

2491
02:26:11,600 --> 02:26:14,640
Speaker 1: knew what we how it goes, yeah, what it looks like.

2492
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:19,320
Speaker 1: It did help and I'm excited to eat some catfish

2493
02:26:19,400 --> 02:26:24,680
Speaker 1: and squirrel Johnny, me too. Man. My com cleaning thought

2494
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:26,560
Speaker 1: is we need to cut this, shut it down because

2495
02:26:26,560 --> 02:26:29,039
Speaker 1: I need to go and apply some anti itch cream.

2496
02:26:32,840 --> 02:26:33,840
Speaker 1: All right, turn it off.